How Hungary Ran out of Friends and Money
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Orban has made headlines for courting controversial leaders like Trump, Putin and Xi Jinping amongst other global strongmen. But what exactly is his political strategy here? And is this bold foreign policy strategy actually working for Hungary?
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00:00 Introduction
00:52 Context
01:42 Foreign Policy Explained
04:24 Is It Working?
06:39 Brilliant
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"We all hate globalism, let's band together as international leaders"
After the West banded together for marxism 😅
Edit: "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy."
Accept to support LGBTQ or we'll isolate you (coercion in American, Canadian, UK schools).
Don't talk back to Justin Trudeau or your bank account will be frozen.
Looks like liberalism no longer bring as freedom to everyone but only changes the balance.
Theyve been saying that since the US left Iraq bro.
What do you expect? Fascism is an Internationalist Ideology.
As much as I dislike globalism these "leaders" are just using people's dislike of it for their own benefit.
@patagonianpaint
"Liberalism is almost ending"
-conserviatices coping since the beginning of time
The funniest thing was Turkey ratifying Sweden's NATO bid so quickly, that it caught Orban completely off guard, despite promising not to be last. Orban was sucking up so hard to Erdogan, just for him to throw him under the bus in the end 😂
Türkiye anılınca hemen gelirim. Türkiye'yi düşürürken birçok defa düşünün.
Lel 😂😂 US is pressing him hard with sanctions and witholding of funds from eu
Nothing is funny about Hungary in my EU. He's now putting Chinese agents on European soil. He needs to be stopped.
Turkey W is surprise for sure but a good one. Seems like he's more legitimate than Orban 😅
Yes, because nothing increases your prestige as a strongman more than dunking on another strongman.
These things aren't so much alliances as powergames.
See also: Molotov-Ribbebtrop Pact
So in summary of EU part, Orban needs right wing parties but right wing parties do not need him?
If you want to know who's going to lose the global struggle of any given period, just look to which side Hungary is on, that's your losing side. Hungary has been a consistent loser for centuries, we literally cannot win, it's almost a curse.
@@jabloko992poor kid blaming his own ancestor
@@jabloko992.....
If that is true then I guess we as a species are all cooked
The ideological base of western "right wing parties " are mostly left wing ideologies. From the perspective of the Hungarian right,there are no any real right wing party in Europe similar to the Hungarian right. Most of them adopted the unnatural and unscientific made up LMBTQ rights,transgenderism , they are obsessed with multiculturalism and the vision of a carefree welfare state. They are mostly right wing by name,full with absolutely weightless career politicians who doesn't make a stand for any right wing values because the so called " independent" left wing media,their political opponents and the idiotic celebrities cancelling them and their " career" immediately. So everyone can say that Orbán is isolated, because he's not, he just doesn't waste his time for the current western political elites, because Orbáns Hungary needs trading, business,it needs factories,it needs real work. From the West we only can get idiotic woke work ethics and ten thousands of illegal immigrants from the third world. We don't want to suffer the consequences of the idiotic ideologies of western societies, but we need competitive industries, which are less and less in the West. The sad reality is that the EU and Europe in a very short term is literally dead,in every way. Biologically,economically and culturally.
Losing his Polish backer in the EU Parliament might also leave him vulnerable to more formal censure. He seems dangerously close to entering the "find out" stage...
Allowing China to have its own police stations in Hungary? Is he crazy?
Unfortunately not. Chinese policemen overseas = Chinese spies.
China has been running undercover police stations out of Chinese restaurants in the UK. They used the premises to spy on and bully Chinese people working in the UK. In theory these were shut down last year.
Isn't that what canada is allowing as well? and some secret stations in the us.
He only allowed Chinese policeman to do patrol in Hungary.
China has police sstations in most eu countries, hungary is just one that regulates it so they can control what the chinese do.
2023 in Hungary:
- In January, bread inflation was almost 82%, food inflation was over 48%, general inflation was 26.2%, three times the EU average!
- In the first quarter, real wages fell the most in Hungary with a 15.6%, which is 4 times of OECD average
- In July our money lost 36% of its value in 2 years due to inflation !!!
- In January, Lőrinc Mészáros, Orban's main strawman increased the monthly tolls by 72% after he bought the 35-year motorway concession
- Lőrinc Mészáros bought a yacht for 27 billion forints, which is almost 11,000 years of average Hungarian pension. Mészáros's wealth increased by 150 billion forints in a single year
- The Matolcsy, the head of central bank (MNB), bought an apartment in New York for 14 billion forints, which is equivalent to 5608 years of average Hungarian pensions. Meanwhile, the MNB has accumulated losses of HUF 2400 billion
- The Orbán family's visible! wealth reaches HUF 100 billion, Orbán's father built a mansion in Hatvanpuszta for 10 billion forints
- The cows on János Lázár minister's stud farm got waterbeds for HUF 3 billion from the state!
- In 2023, Romania overtook Hungary in GDP per capita,
- In 2023, Bulgaria overtook Hungary in per capita consumption, making us last in the EU in this respect too.
- Hungary has the 2nd lowest average wage and minimum wage in the EU !
- The Dear Leader has finally found the magic weapon against inflation: he just had to fire the leading statisticians of the Hungarian Statistical Office, put them under the Rogán-led propaganda ministry and the single-digit inflation was achieved...! In 2023, the consumer price index was still 17.6% and food inflation 25.9%.
- In 2023, growth (-0.9%) was the 3rd worst in the EU
- 700 billion forints spent by the government to buy the Vodafone Hungary and give it away to Orban's stooge (equivalent to about 280,000 years of average Hungarian pensions)
- 2021 foreign human traffickers were released from Hungarian prisons in 2023 (official explaination: keeping them in prison is too expensive)
- There are already 100,000 Asian migrant workers in Hungary, who are undercutting the wages of Hungarian workers, with their numbers increasing by about 1,000 a month
- 40% of the Hungarian population run out of money by the end of the month, with no savings
- The Hungarian birth rate has fallen to an all-time low
- OTP survey shows that 94 out of 100 young people do not want to work in Hungary !
- 125,000 Hungarians already work in Austria
- Half a million Hungarians have disappeared in 10 years, the country's population is below 9.6 million, at 1953 levels and falling
- In 2023 the budget deficit was 4593 billion forints , about 6.5 percent of GDP, more than double the 3 percent accepted by the EU, the Hungarian state paid the largest interest burden after the national debt in the EU to GDP (4.3%), the interest expenses amounted to HUF 3,500 billion, which is equivalent to 1.26 million years of Hungarian average pension, meanwile GDP growth rate was -0.9%.
Lot's of stats.....when will Hungary join the Turkish Union and go east of the Urals is the most important question!
Holy hell.
@@a.p1675As the greatest democracy, Hungary has observer status in the Organization of Turkic States (OTS) since 2018, and is in strategic partnership with many of the memberstates.
@@attilakovacs2231 well that is why I asked.......how are your throat singing skills Atilla? Have a nice trip...
I agree with all of the points as a Hungarian, but let’s be absolutely fair….. the migrant workers are not an Orbán thing. This is happening all throughout Eastern Europe as more and more people leave for the West, and I doubt the opposition would fix that. Now, it’s fair to complain about the fact that our government makes the amount of people leaving for the West even higher, but I feel like our obsession with foreign workers nowadays is entirely ignoring that virtually all of Europe, ignoring some small Balkan nations, are like this. Poland, Romania and Czechia also started this trend recently, and as long as there’s globalism and capitalism, foreign workers will go to your country. It is what we Hungarians do as well, just with the West.
What do you mean "alleged" corruption? There's no doubt.
It's just so they don't get sued by government representatives.
They'd win but it'd be a hassle of time and money.
Would agree with all the points made in the video regarding this if it wasn't for the EU clearly ignoring all the other corruption from other EU countries when disbursing those funds.
@@dannydxm I mean look up the corruption perception index. Even the leading country, Denmark, is only at 90%. It's when you go against EU values like democracy, human rights, single market then the EU will find ways to sanction you.
@@sonicmeerkat Wait until 2026 and then they can say it(Anti-SLAPP law EU)
@@sogerc1😂😂EU human rights and democracy in Africa, what a joke.
Sad to see that people like Orbán can erode such a beautiful nation like Hungary.
Less eroded than most Western countries tho.
@@mrsupremegasconlol
@mrsupremegascon "less eroded" doesn't mean better, because not using your full potential because of full blown nepotism and blatant corruption and affiliation with world's biggest autocratics doesn't in sound "less eroded" it sounds like Unable to escape the yoke of its communist era
@@mrsupremegasconThat‘s gotta be a joke.
@@mrsupremegasconu have no clue obviously.
A word from a hungarian, as for the battery plant in Debrecen, local politicians and civilians were 99% against the idea and was forced upon them to accept it. Theories suggest that the plant will be there support the already under construction BMW factory that will produce 3 series EVs.
As hungarian I have to say sadly, you are 100% right! The majority of hungarians, like my self are not suporting orbans politics. Unfortunatly with a 2/3 majority in parliament he was able to change the voting law, this makes it possible to rule the country even with 1/3 of the votes! And of course they brainwash the under aducated people 24/7. @@angelicaflanagan3483
@@angelicaflanagan3483 Hungary is above the 2% GDP Militairy spending, It doesnt need USA protection ;) Thats not the problem here...
A battery plant and by extension a BMW EV factory doesn't sound like the worst thing ever. On the other hand, maybe I heard wrong, but did she say having Chinese police stationed in the country? Sounds bonkers.
It dosent matter if they are against it or not. They will keep voting for Orban anyway, maybe lose few percent, thats all. Debrecen is one of the most pro-Orban city in hungary, they voted Kósa into power multiple times in a row image that...
(I copy from another comment of mine here) I am from Greece, and all my acquaintances including myself want the immigration of people with fundamentally less good phenotypes to Greece to stop. But there is no party that offers that. How is Greece a democracy then in your opinion? Orban has the biggest approval rate of all EU leaders. I hope eastern european countries leave the EU and form an economic union of their own, and do not cooperate with countries that import less beautiful people. ❤🤍💚
Hungary cannot be kicked out of the EU and NATO but if all other countries ask Hungary to leave. Then it will be very embarrassing to stay.
Technically, they can be kicked out if 26 EU members vote to kick them out, but I think it makes more sense to strip Hungary of it's voting rights in the EU, that would make it far harder for Orbán to obstruct the EU, which in turn would isolate Hungary far more in the EU, and it would also make Hungary far less useful for the likes of Trump and Putin, as well as China, which they only care about Orbán because he has powers to obstruct decision-making in the EU, so strip Orbán of that power and he will likely lose friends from all sides without having to kick him out of the EU, that might be enough for the people of Hungary to wake up and give him the boot, either way, Hungary wouldn't be a problem after that.
If the EU were smart, they would do this before the elections because even thought there's a rise of right wings that are unlikely to support Orbán, that doesn't mean all of them would support stripping Hungary of it's voting rights., so if the EU doesn't get a move on, it might miss its chance after the election.
Putin, China and Trump does not think it is emabarrasing to have Orban like a trojan horse in the EU and NATO.
Consider the Simpson's episode in which Homer joined the Stonecutters. He made himself so annoying the other members quit en masse and set up a new secret society, the NoHomers.
The EU needs to get rid of the unanimity principle
Orban is begging money right now. Or rather blackmailing the EU.
While licking Putin’s arse and selling out the country to China (they even called in the Chinese police and bought the infamous Chinese “security” system)
As a EU citizen we are sooooooooooooooo fed up with Orban and would LOVE to get rid of Orbans Hungary. He is isolated in the EU and as a member of NATO nobody trusts them ... I wonder why
Orban acting like a strongman is pure show as Hungary is so much dependend on the EU. Hungarys economy would immediatly crash and neither Russia (they need money themselves) nor China will save them, as Orban is only usefull (idot...) to the CCP as long as it is a EU member.
By the way Italy ended the BRI as they stated it benefitted China more than Italy and other EU countrys which are not in the BRI are beneffiting a lot more from trade with China.
WOW !! so unaware of which side is the true enemy....
I am hoping for a shift in Hungarian politics, like it happened in Poland. But I doubt it will happen.
You want less beautiful people to settle in Hungary and reduce the average beauty of the population there?
You are so mislead on Orban and Hungary 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Allthefootballgods ...and your arguments are? The emojis?
That tinder animation was top notch lol
Which part of the video?
Autocrats have a tendency to isolate themselves, even from other autocrats.
Hungary really needs to find it's path back into democracy.
With a totally demolished educational system it won’t come in this century.
"Democracy is when people vote for gl0b0-h0m0 leftoids like me"
Non governmental organizations have sent neutral observers to each election in Hungary since Orban became PM. To this day they have found ZERO evidence of election fraud. Hungary already is a democracy.
@@Pekka.Pekka.1296 i doubt that lack of gender studies in schools is actually preventing anyone from becoming a true democracy, fren
it's quite the opposite.
Democracy is dead
For hundreds of years we had a saying in Poland and Hungary
Pole Hungarian two brothers, to a fight and to a glass...
Idk about hungary, but in Poland this saying is completely dead thanks to their support of Putin. It's quite sad honestly
"lengyel magyar két jó barát" is not as well known here as it is in poland, i don't know if it used to be different but now most younger people don't know it
@@krakenroll. Well I AM kinda older, and It's not like it was spoken all the time. But if you did, you wouldn't get any strange looks- that's how it was for hundreds of years, for example we got a lot of help escaping germans during WW2, despite Hungary being on "the wrong side"...
But if I said it now I might as well say that I support Putin
Because...
Birds of a feather
Flock together
Through the propeller.
Wait! Is that why Trump hates windmills?
@@eddapultstab2078no, he hates windmills because his hair and up looking like a 90s punk vocalist
The Sweden Democrats used to love Orban, and be at least more chummy towards Putin than other Swedish parties, until the invasion of Ukraine.
They still love Orban. Not long ago, before the Swedish accession to NATO, Björn Söder from SD suggested to Ulf Kristersson that he should fly down to Hungary and "have a whisky" and cozy up with Orban and it would make Orban allow Sweden into NATO faster.
SD also changed their mind on public service broadcasting, now instead of removing it all together they want to keep it and influence it by having a political change of all public services leadership. Complete Orban style manuever.
But Donnie still loves Vic. (Even if half the time he thinks he is the boss of Turkey).
Shifting Right to Left and Left to Right is a normal thing in Democracies. What is abnormal is the rise of the extremism and this can not be Tolerated by those Democracies. Its an existencial threat to peace in Europe
I sincerely hope this trend is brief and ends before the right ruins EU
How is antifa not banned then?
@@InfiniteDesign91 is antifa a political party, by any chance?
Because antifa is not a Political Party
@@InfiniteDesign91 they are not nearly as extreme, dangerous and numerous as many right-wing groups. Plus it is an action-reaction thing if the group is banned another group would take its place because there is still a need because right wing-extremist groups weren't banned.
It turns out that if you base all your decisions on rampant self interest (as a leader, NOT as a nation), the only people willing to work with you are also self interested and won't have your back.
Beautifully said. That's why appearances are so important in foreign policy. Hungary thinks that they don't need to pretend, they can wear their heart on the sleeve, but now everyone knows that they're self-serving and self-absorbed. Other nations are too, but they are better at hiding it.
@@theodentherenewed4785 When Putin blackmailed EU in 2022, threatening not to sell any gas, it was in the economic self-interest of EU to back down and stop the sanctions. But we did not. We stood by Ukraine despite of the threat of a very harsh winter. Expensive oil and gas made the life harderd for the ordinary people, businesses and politicians. But we did what was right. That is a strong example of a selfless behaviour.
@@theodentherenewed4785 You must have visited Budapest many times in order to come to such laughable conclusions , which must be so obvious to you in view that they cannot HIDE their overt egotism and attitude.
That dude had friends? I thought he was stealing everyone's lunch money.
"friends with benefits"
Go back and finish 6th grade pal))))
Which explains why the IMF loans are at zero......
Exclude Hungary from the EU and Orban is done. Legal issues can be solved through the re-establishment of the EU. Everybody who want to be a member can but Hungary.
Clever
sure, just please don't clump Romania with them. We like our status in the EU and don't want to give up our link to it for that fat toad.
Yes, they want to play games and let the innocent people of Ukraine die from a coward dictator kick them out of NATO. they're no good to the alliance anyway. It's only a small poor .I'm from Canada. I don't want to go and protect them if they want to have a leader like that.
Without the EU, Hungary would have little to no relevance, his biggest power is that he's a pain in the arse in the EU and can obstruct things on the EU level, take that away from him and the likes of Trump, China and Putin wouldn't care about Hungary.
But the irony is that even with Hungary being in the EU, the EU and its members are finding creative solutions to work around Hungary, which is making Orbán usefulness to the likes of Trump, Putin and China far less useful, the end result is that Hungary is quickly getting isolated in the EU and the west, whiles having so-called friends among dictators that don't care about Hungary and only see them as a useful idiot if they can get things done at an EU level.
@ernstschwaig4667 Despite Orban's best attempts and constant campaign against the EU, according to most surveys about this subject in the country most Hungarians want to be a member of the Union. Don't equalise our nation with Orban, not all of us think and act like him.
I'm Hungarian... excellent summary! Wish it weren't true! :(
ne agódj magyar peti majd keni a szájukat
But is the average Hungarian changing their views on Orban, or do those who supported him still believe in his promises and propaganda?
@@cassif19 As I see it, Hungary has had a social crisis for some time now. 1) There’s virtually no opposition, and without proper alternative, it’s very difficult to get rid of Orban. 2) Lots of people, especially less educated one, resonate with the government’s propaganda that is well maintained by continuous brainwashing ads on TV. 3) It’s very hard to mobilise Hungarian people as due to historical reasons, there weren’t many occasions when any type of demonstrations were successful in the past so people have very little faith in organising protests. It doesn’t help that Orban’s Fidesz party started to blacklist teachers who participated in anti-government demonstrations who later faced humiliating disciplinary actions or dismissal. 4) On top of all this, Orban is a very smart and calculating politician who knows Hungarian mindset 100% and always tells his voters whatever they want to hear. Despite acting differently from what he communicates, most people take what he says as it is. Orban doesn’t like educated people as they’re less likely become his voters so he’s systematically weakening our educational system to ensure younger generations would know less. All in all Orban is smart enough to legitimise his heavily autocratic and authoritarian regime where institutionalised corruption is now the norm. What adds fuel to fire is that when being judged by the EU, who even stops paying funds, it only makes Orban worse as he’s turning to China and Russia more rather than seeking cooperation with the EU. Without any doubt, Orban is the most dangerous PM in the EU. He’s most dangerous to his own nation, though.
Next video could be: Why the EU seems to tolerate a dictatorship
The EU has no power to do anything about it.
Hungary is under massive sanctions and in most EU leader meetings Orbán gets "a coffee break" for the moment when other EU leaders vote for something important.
@@spadaaccathey can kick Hungary out of the EU, but so far have refused to do so
@@melissacorbett4180they can’t . They could theoretically suspend them but that would never be because Slovakia would probably just veto it
@melissacorbett4180 There is no legal mechanism to kick out any EU state. They Commission & Court of Justice can take the Hungarian government to court, freeze funds & the Council (of national leaders) can suspend the voting rights of Hungary in the Council (of Ministers) and Council (of national leaders). The EU has done the first 2 many times.
Orban behaives like Hungary is a rich country like Norway/Switzerland that doesn't need the EU
Orban: "Let's make an office to prevent foreign intrusion on our sovereignty"
Also Orban: "Let's invite China to intrude on our sovereignty"
It's in the EU's long-term interest that it suspends Hungary's membership so long as Orban is charge of Hungary.
he can remain in power, but rules need to be changed to ensure the future of hungary is free and fair.
like putting into the constitution limits to the power of the president, I think it needs to be a multi presidential regime like switzerland with 1 year rotation for a select few tasks.
Countries should in general either go full parliamental, or multi presidential.
All the EU needs to do is suspend Hungary voting rights in the EU, all of a sudden, Hungary wouldn't be useful for the likes of Trump, Putin and China, which would isolate Hungary far more.
remove ireland from the eu
@@ayoCC the prez terms are limited, orban is prime minister, he shifted most of the power from prez to PM because he also controls parliament majority and could pass these changes to the constitution (like a nefarious wannabe dictator that is selling his country and people to putyn, xi and anyone except the good team)
@@belstar1128 i m also very pssed by irelands stubborness to not join nato. the whole west needs them in (not for their military or man power.. but for having full control on the Atlantic corridor so the orcs wont be able to move subs and ships freely in case shit really hits the fan). They are not pro-russian at all, but their stubbornness to remain neutral is pathetic at this point since countries like swe and fin gave up neutrality, even switzerland for the first time ever is very supportive to another country - ukr (broke neutrality)
I think Hungarians have already had it with Orban and his government. It's time for him to go. Hungary deserves a new prime minister.
The only people we've had it with is leftists and liberals.
offer your candidacy then....
Usa also deserve a better president
@@user-mx9ge8rc8q Criminal defendant Trump better not become president yet again. Neither I nor anyone else would ever want a second or even third Trump presidency. F**k him.
@@tszirmay I'm not running for president at all anyway.
Orban must fear polonium tea.
Thank you for diversifying people in front of the camera. Love the original contributors, but this will bring me back more often than ever 😊
If only EU would dare to investigate what Hungary has been doing with those billions of EU taxpayer money.
Paying off the IMF and rebuilding the country is perhaps where some of it went. . If EU funds are mismanaged and /or stolen , shouldn’t the burden of guilt be on those who doled out the cash without any kind of security and accountability? And this has been going on since Orban has won, like it or not, the past three elections. No one, inside or outside has managed to find proof of what you claim.
@@tszirmay No, it's fraud.
@@dewaard3301 all these years in power and no proof, remarkable achievement.....
The bots just don't stop, I guess
Fr
Bots like you😂😂
"This person has an opinion opposing mine so they must be a bot." 😂
@@Hardcore_Remixer my brother in christ, i am talking about the pron bots that always comment some generic shit the second the video gets uploaded, i hadn't even watched the full video
Less worry about bots and more about the channel owner deleting relatively uncontroversial comments about keeping friends close and enemies closer and that Xi and Trump were clearly *not* friends given his actions against the PRC (and TikTok) which were rolled back then rolled forward again under Biden!
A clown ran the country's reputation to the ground
Penguin from Batman, but at least that character had logic.
He is a fair representation of 3 million hungarians.
Rainbow idiots are clowns this man is true hero
@@magyararon6918 Yes 😂. 3millions of Hungary are keen on personality cult and superdumb. Sorry, that’s the fact 😢
@@magyararon69183 million neanderthals.
Being the "prototype" will enable him to be the leader of the red fascists (IT WILL CATCH ON, PEOPLE!) like it enabled Mussolini to be the respected leader of the Tripartite Pact 😂😂
Yeah, being the weakest among a group of narcasists who never pay back (good) favors really isn't an advantage.
gibberish
The EU should have the ability to remove countries like Hungary from the EU through a super-majority vote. Authoritarianism should have no place in a democratic union.
I'd settle for suspending them through such a vote.
Orban was voted by the Hungarians and they knew exactly what he has been doing and that he won't change it. So according to democracy he is representing Hungary in the EU, not EU to Hungary.
You can either have democracy at EU level or democracy at national level when not all the nations want the same agenda. But we gotta preserve 'the Western democracy' 😂
@@Hardcore_Remixer It's not like elections can't be corrupted and electoral laws changed to fit your ruling party's needs....
@@Hardcore_Remixer He controls most media in Hungary and has chanced election law so he would have a easier time. Turkey and Hungary are on the same level of democracy.
@@Hardcore_Remixer NSDAP was voted too...
2:28 metamorphosis of Luxembourg into Hungary.
One thing about dictators and wannabe dictators, is that it's hard for them to make friends as they are more likely to stab each other in the back, they are usually self-centred on their own interest, which makes it difficult for cooperation to last, because the dagger is always hanging around.
Countries that are democracies are not so successful by chance, they are so successful because that openness allows them to make far more friends around the world, it also reduces the risk of making big mistakes, politically and economically, China is an example of that, under there current government, they are doing a lot of damage to the country, yet the people have no alternative option because it's a dictatorship, meaning, if the government continues on that path, they end up ruining the country, Turkey is another example, you've got a government that keeps insisting on weird inflation policies and he's doing a lot of damage to the country, in a democracy, any that try to do a lot of damage are quickly thrown out, and why democracies are far more successful, because they can adapt far better to what's going on, without being stubborn on policies that clearly don't work, democracies also have constant pressure from the voters to keep improving things.
But seriously, when will these dictators learn, you can have your wins here and there, but long term they can't win, but on the plus side, their games with each other is keeping the democracies around the world in power, which most are western.
Orbán isn't very bright, you might be making friends with other dictators around the world which could backstab him at any time when it suits them, Orbán is alienating his closes partners in Europe where a lot of the countries economic success comes from, it's a high risk move from Orbán that he could end up with no friends and many backstabbers from around the world, but this is why dictatorships are rarely that successful and don't usually last that long, you only have to look through history on that one, they are too stubborn and do too many mistakes because of that, which holds them back and reduce them as a power, yet these countries don't learn lol, if Orbán was smart, he would see that his only real chance of real power would be through the EU, but that means being on friendly terms with a lot of EU countries to push many of your own policies, Germany and France understand that, Hungary doesn't, so what we end up seeing is Hungary being slowly isolated in the EU, which weakens the countries power and longer term could reduce investment in the country and could lead to the country being kicked out of the EU.
As for his hopes on the rise of the right, I think Orbán is dreaming, a lot of the indicators are showing that even with the parties that could do well, they are not that supportive of Orbán, with the exception of Trump, but he is far less important, what Orbán really needs is support from EU countries, which seems unlikely whichever way the elections go this year, in fact, from the EU's point of view, Trump is a very useful idiot for the EU in a lot of ways.
free and fair democracies are also fair to their friends, that's why among G7, the world trade organization works great. But then dictator regimes like China come along and abuse the system to a point
U.S is dictatorship EU is dictatorship
Your point?
For all wondering... The Lisbon treaty has no provision to kick members, the closest is the Brexit famous article 50. Hungary has to dealt with through isolation and more importantly money.
Everyone leave, the one remaining is alone... Then they found a new club with new rules... The one is kicked out this way...
Russia doesn't have any to spare. EU should demand an independent judiciary before giving Hungary the time of day, let alone anything other than Ukrainian grain...
No, but had provision to strip him of voting rights, the mere menace of this had bring him to more friendly position as Orban talk big but by now know how isolated he is and how much pissed off is the EU
The fundamental principle of liberty is the ability to say NO!
I don’t necessarily agree with Hungary’s position.
However no democracy should have 100% agreement.
You should also be able to say no and not be punished if using your democratic right to object!
However; your singular “No” shouldn’t be allowed to usurp 20 people saying “Yes” as that is tyranny, Not democracy.
Lol the fundamental principle of liberty is not depriving it from others, something which Hungary does. So there are in fact positions that cannot be held under a democracy.
They should have written in EU law only Germany and France can use the veto.
@@gyozop No one should have a very tbh
@@DanJuega Several countries used it already. The last time Netherlands and Austria vetoed Romania and Bulgaria joining the Schengen free movement zone. Hungary did not even use it. Something is going on in the media.
Hey folks, small suggestion: can you give it a small pause (even just a second) before starting the final sponsor section? It makes it feel confusing, as if there was no conclusion, plus the loudness contrast is annoying
Did Orban buy a pair of those Golden Sneakers from Trump? LOL.
Sounds like Hungary needs some FREEDOM 🫡
But, no oil ☹️☹️☹️☹️
Lest time I checked it was western European countries arresting people for things they said online like authoritarians.
FOR SUPER EARTH
Trump: I love winners!
Also Trump: I support Putin!
Putin: Donald, I'm loosing here!
True
False
"loosing"?
Donald: Sorry, can't help you, I'm losing and broke! I can't get back any of those documents, and I have no idea what they said because I'm so bad at reading and remembering! I can't win over any new voters! Waahhhh!!! Send more money please!
You pronounced Debrecen very well! Thank you 😊
“Speeddating the other global strongmen” 😂
NATO and EU members are sick of Hungarians too. You guys keep voting for him. You aren't innocent in all this.
i am not voting for him which doesn't make me any less hungarian.
the hungarian education system can shape you four ways
1) you stay stupid: support the system without understanding it (usually not by own mistake )
2) you dig your head in the sand: saying that you don't care about politics even though it's about your own life, you probably can't even name the mayor of your town
3) finding your place within the system; corruption only exists if you don't get your share
4) opposition/emigration (based on how optimistic you are, many of us aren't)
2022 Hungarian elections:
- Fidesz (Orban's party) - 3.000.000 votes - 37,5%
- United Opposition (Against Orban) - 2.000.000 votes - 25%
- Other (mainly against Orban) - 1.000.000 votes - 12,5%
- Abstain from voting - 2.000.000 people - 25%
(I support United Opposition by the way.)
Hungary ≠ Orban
Remember that. Not every Hungarian is supporting Orban, so it is very unreasonable to equalize all Hungarians with Orban. I'm Hungarian, but I hate Orban from the bottom of my heart. But I also dislike, when others equalize Hungary with Orban, without having enough knowledge about Hungary.
Sick of a political party or of an entire nation? Do you not believe in diversity? Its the fad of the century
He’s having Chinese police stationed in his country??
Sigh, that is why I say, that TLDR is also just a propaganda machine. They just throw out explosive headlines and refuse to elaborate, when it comes to the right wing, contrary to the left, where they even analyse the possible intentions, and luck of certain leaders.
Chinese police in Hungary:
Many countries have such aggreement with eachother, and it is related to tourism. These chinese cops will have zero legal power in the country and they are here to help out the hungarian cops, when it comes to chinese tourists. Hungary has also police officers in Croatia for example, due to the high number of hungarian tourists during the summer season.
Seeing the European right still distancing themselves from him, Orbán should realize that it isn't all his views that are disliked, but he as a person.
His foreginer policy
Those who want to live behind an iron curtain can't have their cake and eat it. Either you go away or you play along.
Which is why October 23 is a national holiday in Hungary commemorating the 1956 revolution. You should go away....
Orban's Hungary has no place in EU
Hungary ≠ Orban
I really despise Orbans China and Russian dealings
nobody is interested in you
I don't like Orban at all, but even I have to admit he was right on the immigration stuff.
Sure. And he is right not to go to war in Ukraine. And he is right to defend the country and the families in Hungary. And...
TOAD, no telling how many ruzian gold bars he has stashed
😂😅
glad that you brought woman to your team
They finally came out of their incel phase
@@nonradicalnationalist6608so when are you going to touch grass?
@@ludicrousreality0 When you leave your mother's basment and finally
Stop calling yourself an incel
Why?
I find it funny that we talk about EU migration lessons from Hungary as if Hungarians were super valued immigrants in the rest of the EU and/or Hungarians preferred Hungarian living standards to, say, German
Massive illegal immigration + rising crime rate is just the biggest problem in the EU right now. This man is just enjoying the benefits of this situation... Otherwise he made Hungary to the 2nd poorest country in the Union.
Why didn't we strip Hungary's EU voting rights since polands new government formed? After kicking out their only ally, the PIS party, that was the first thing we all expected but it hasn't happened yet. I'm so fed up of that slapped arse looking wannabe dictator.
Slovakia elected a new government of Russian stooges about a month or so before Poland got rid of PiS.
Becouse he found ally in Slovakia right now
I am afraid that Slovakia is the new Poland.
@@samuela-aegisdottir imagine supporting a country that claims your entire country for themselves 😂😂 Cmon Slovakia..
because while keeping talking big, Orban immedieately agreed to give Ukraine EU money once the menace of stripping him of the voting rights has be done. This is the EU nuclear option so everyone is not very eager to do it
EU should kick Hungary out of their group.
Hungary ≠ Orban
I think talking about global autocrats and then showing Milei and Xi in the same picture is a bit of a false equivalency.
Orbán will always be right. Old Hungarian proverb.
why cant Hungary just be expelled from the EU and Nato
Never thought i could find politics so interesting as a teen,guess i am boring 😂
No, smart! And remember, true intelligence is curiosity, not just knowing things.
I have never ever heard of a President or Prime minister to travel to another country and not meet with that countries President or Prime minister... it makes no sense for Hungary as a nation.
Thumbnail was a little rush heads up hahaha. Great video though, you're one of my new favourite presenters!
Orban is the leader of his country and his people , his ideology is that Hungary first so he is popular in his country and his people (no need to popular for other countries), which is similar Trump ideology is that america first. so he is a friend of trump and fico slovakia. this make orban differ from other leader of EU country now . however Far right parties are coming in many country in EU , epecially france and german, that they might be collaborating in the future, this can significantly change EU policy as well.
No far right leaders will support him, as he supports Russia and no country that has border with Russia will support him . Also Italy wouldnt and France .
Not sure about Germany so, really weird situation now.
Title: "How Hungary Ran out of Friends and Money"
Conclusion: "It's still too early to say if Orban's international move will work"
Click-bait at its finest
Feels like the audio and passing has improved, (especially with 2x speed)
Fact check : Debunk !
Hungary is one of the very few countries Europe that it's economy keeps getting better !
Unlike Germany , UK , Spain and other failed ...
Sure...sure... The only reason Orban still decides to stay in the eu is to lynch off of their funds. They are basically like a lazy roomate whos not paying rent.
Dears, you have it backwards.
The only one losings friends is you for promoting BS.
Serbia is a stanogman country ❤
I’m so mad at myself I went to Hungary and spent my hardened money over there! 😤
interesting, thanks
Orban 🤮
I agree from Hungary.
Zelensky 🤡
Comparing trump putin and xi is kind of odd
If I was Xi I would be pretty unimpressed but Trump and Putin do have a lot in common.
True. Xi and Putin can read.
seems pretty reasonable to me, in terms of overall alignment wrt liberalism
At least Putin and Xi can be predictable. The are strongman dictator pretending to be democratically elected. While Trump is like...... how should I say it.... "Flip flop around like a beached dolphin?"
Orban doesnt run out of friends. Le Pen, AfD, Wilders. All love him.
Vladdy, 71, resident badboy lol love to see editors having fun
Hungary wanted to be friends with both Russia and other EU members, but in the end, neither side of the conflict likes them. They played games and got outplayed. Orban and his party are just incompetent at running foreign policy.
or our country
As a EU citizen we are sooooooooooooooo grateful on Orban for challenging the EU on mass immigrations...could be better if supported Ukraine, but mass immigration is more dangerous as affecting the stability of the countries within
Poland has the same policies and supports Ukraine
You don't have to accept Russia's imperialism and expansionism to be a right winger, especially if it's coming closer and closer to you
@@wdlkmpx100% agreed. But priority number 1 is stopping legal and illegal immigration...as this is assured death of European culture, division/cessation, chaos...Ukraine is priority number 2. For that reason I will vote for an Eu MP that first promotes the lowest/best immigration policy in June. For me it will be Reconquete/marion maréchal
Hungary pardons human trafficker and often does not even bring criminal prosecution. They are completely fine with migrants transiting through Hungary, as long as they dont stay. That way Hungary has no problems and can bring up the problems in other countries, that itself helped creating.
@@jackchid6040 they don't provide stupidly generous welfare that attract immigrants.. not Hungary's fault if the like of the UK, Ireland treat immigrants better than their citizens
As a hungarian our population is so divided over the orban topic. But he will stay in power thanks to his populistic movements and propaganda…
It is so reassuring that everything is fine regarding the elections in the United States and around the elections in Berlin, and in the case of the EU, no corrupt politicians accept donations in Brussels! Long live the values of the West...
He's not the best, but this report was so biased and words yoused do loadet is funny to make the destination where the facts start and opinions end🤣
It highlights the confusion that reigns within the EU.
Aha, that's it then? Which confusion? Does the EU know about it?
I think this new lady gets better with every video! hope we can see her on one of the podcast episodes in the future.
Given their history with the Soviet Union I find it more than a little odd, that Orban has any political space in which to carry water for Putin. Does anyone in Hungary have nostalgia for the relationship with the Russians?🤔
So much for “neutrality” in presentation….
Mhmm... and the channel owner mass deleted relatively uncontroversial comments about "keeping friends close and enemies closer" and that Xi and Trump were clearly *not* friends given his actions against the PRC (and TikTok) which were rolled back then rolled forward again under Biden!
Unsub here, which is a pity. ~
No matter your political views, parts of this video has a clear left-wing bias. This is a shame for a supposedly neutral channel.
TLDR has never been neutral, only reason I watch it is to get a left wing perspective of the news
@@maxsnel5705 Lol. I watch it because sometimes it is easy to understand and covers niche topics. I also get news from right wing sources because I agree with it and there are a lot of topics which aren't talked about on the left.
Mhmm... and the channel owner mass deleted relatively uncontroversial comments about "keeping friends close and enemies closer" and that Xi and Trump were clearly *not* friends given his actions against the PRC (and TikTok) which were rolled back then rolled forward again under Biden!
2:27 As a Dutchie, I was _very_ confused by that flag 😳
(and kinda still am, at how it changed colours)
I think "right wing" Europeans aren't really people who generally would agree with Orban (maybe far right Europeans?). Atleast not in the Benelux, Germany, or Scandenavia perhaps in other countries, but I still doubt it. Also the EU is shifting right, but I don't think they are shifting far right.
Nope, he did not won with 50%. He won and was reelected with 3/4 of the votes.
The Hungarian people vote him again and again, if you like it or not. Lies also will not change this fact.
So only 25% of the population will be upset if Hungary is kicked out of EU and joins Russia
That's literally not true. You pulled those numbers straight from your ass. In real terms, he hasn't gotten over 50% of the votes since 2010, and if you look at the entire eligible voting population, not just those who actually vote, he has the support of only around 1/3 of voters. The country is just so gerrymandered and the election laws so unfair that this guarantees him victory.
Do you take into account the power structure that is centered around orban to ensure that he is re elected? There are other facts to consider
Viktor literally changed the voting municipalities to make sure he's kept being reelected.
2022 Hungarian elections:
- Fidesz (Orban's party) - 3.000.000 votes - 37,5%
- United Opposition (Against Orban) - 2.000.000 votes - 25%
- Other (mainly against Orban) - 1.000.000 votes - 12,5%
- Abstain from voting - 2.000.000 people - 25%
(I support United Opposition by the way.)
Hungary ≠ Orban
Remember that. Not every Hungarian is supporting Orban, so it is very unreasonable to equalize all Hungarians with Orban. I'm Hungarian, but I hate Orban from the bottom of my heart. But I also dislike, when others equalize Hungary with Orban, without having enough knowledge about Hungary.
This isn't news, it's opinion.
"Trump clubbing together with Xi" (2:00) isn't even opinion it's closer to conspiracy theory TDS (and much as I dislike the term "TDS" there's something in that...)
Trump was the one backing off the USA from the PRC, trying to ban TikTok, etc., but the Democrats said "no" (because Orange Man bad by definition?), only to end up doing the same themselves years later.
Sheesh...
(And it's about time the Democrats realised that appearing that discussion does *not* necessarily mean agreement. "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer" and various diplomatic permutations...)
Reality has a liberal bias.
Interestingly my reply to you and most of my other comments elsewhere have now "vanished" where I noted Trump and Xi were clearly *not* friends due to his actions against the PRC which were rolled back then rolled forward again!
I guess that's an unsub, which is a pity...
@@dw620 You're saying the channel owner deleted your post? Could it have been the woke TH-cam moderator/bot?
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f Well, they weren't deleted in the first 10-15 minutes so it wasn't the automatic YT algorithm.
There were only a small number of comments to begin with so mine were fairly obvious. Let's see if mention of the T- word, above, stays or vanishes now there are far more comments!
Hungarians I've met are quick to show videos making fun of Orban and his crony friends. They think he is such a crook. He's like a joke.
Congrats, you've met the losers.
@@1nhof Nah, they are in exile. They won. You're the loser.
His main problem is he is far more important in his own mind than anyone elses
Keep up the good work TLDR
…Thanks for the update, it was very informative…💙💛💙
The EU should kick Hungary out
Hungary ≠ Orban
@@alfoldmapping5504 maybe: hungarians should prove as much. So far, that's not been the case
@@fredplat467 2022 Hungarian elections:
- Fidesz (Orban's party) - 3.000.000 votes - 37,5%
- United Opposition (Against Orban) - 2.000.000 votes - 25%
- Other (mainly against Orban) - 1.000.000 votes - 12,5%
- Abstain from voting - 2.000.000 people - 25%
(I support United Opposition by the way.)
Hungary ≠ Orban
Remember that. Not every Hungarian is supporting Orban, so it is very unreasonable to equalize all Hungarians with Orban. I'm Hungarian, but I hate Orban from the bottom of my heart. But I also dislike, when others equalize Hungary with Orban, without having enough knowledge about Hungary.
@@alfoldmapping5504 still, half of those who bothered to vote support orban, according to the figures you provide. Which is a lot. Maybe Hungary does not entirely identifies with orban, but half the voters is still a lot. Poland was able to react to the fascist pro putin direction the country had moved towards: Hungary has not been able to. Clearly you need to do much better as a country. From the outside, hungarians look remarkably complicit with the current regime: are there important movements against it we are not aware of?
The massive Western investments will not let that happen....
That was a blatant Orban hit piece
Not the first one. TLDR always does this, then claims to be free, independent and neutral.
What would you have added to make it more balanced? I consider myself a moderate liberal and I think TLRD's explainer was a bit wonky here (I think Orban's actions are more long-term, e.g. I don't think he is particularly interested in bringing in foreign investment, the BYD and Debrecen plant are more geopolitic manouvering for me than economic steps). But I'm curious about the conservative view on this.
@@GRegBellayTLDR is doing basic hostile journalism, where they throw out bad headlines and refuse to elaborate. I would have to make a 40 minute explanation video, just to refute this 8:30 minute video.
Just like how they talk about "stationing chinese police in Hungary", which sounds extremely bad, but if you learn the actual details, then it is completely understandable.
@@theabaddon7457 No disrespect man, but this is still only more words about your feelings on the video... I don't question your point about the video being one-sided, however presenting the viewpoints of one of the sides is a valid approach - assuming you share both sides of the picture. This latter thing is what TLDR failed to do, though - as I mentioned - I don't know what the counter arguments would have been.
@@GRegBellaySigh. Okay, let me illustrate it. I will do just one minute. From 1:40 to 2:40.
- Speed Dating Global strongmen: right away a subtle poke, which suggests that Orban is petitioning for some kind of authoritan/anti-democratic alliance. No statements here yet.
- Legitimazing their Illiberal politics: Why would Orban need legitimacy? This whole thing suggests, that Hungary is like Oil nations with a brutal dictatorship. Why would Orban need legitimacy from the west? His power is legitimized by elections, and the last election was supervised by EU Observers last time from everywhere across the political spectrum, and even the most far-left observer could only talk shit about unprovable things, like the media-balance.
- Eroding democracy in their countries: Where did Orban erode democracy? He reformed the Soviet-Era Constituation with a 2/3 majority, and reformed the electoral system into a half-anglo-saxon and half-dutch one, where half of the posts are first pass the post, and the other half is determined by overall majority vote. Their best case is gerrymandering at most, but there are no octopus-like electoral blocks, like in the US, so it is just not that significant.
- Showing how they are not alone on the global level: Again. They suggest that Orban is being friendly with China and Russia, for the sake friendliness. Russia has vital trade with Hungary, and there is an enormous competition for chinese companies, for example the new BYD factory. Interestingly even the French competed to be the EU supplier of BYD, but now that they lost the competition, suddenly it is terrible for the EU to have the BYD in it.
- Paint other leaders as soapy, out-of-touch liberals: "paint them". They imply, that these leaders are not that kind of leaders, only the Orbanian propaganda suggests as such, so if you think so, then you are just regurgitating hostile propaganda.
- Sovereignty protection office cracking down on dissent: which does nothing, and only makes suggestions. You can look it up, they don't have any power. Btw, this comes after it was revealed, that the opposition was financed by foreign nations, which is a huge no-no for any western country, except Hungary it seems.
Now, just refuting 1 minute worth of material took me around 20 minutes. Spewing bullshit is always easier than refuting it.
Regarding the Chinese police in Hungary, they did that secretly in Canada. They were blackmailing their own expatriates.
Orban is a smart and great leader who looks after his people and his country...
Kick it out of the EU and NATO, who needs this near eastern country? It's only a liability for the European countries.
In 1956 when many Hungarians left Hungary after the uprising, countries opened their doors. Like many people, Hungarians have short term memories.
and then came the russians who weren't so friendly but hungarians have short term memories
those people worked in those countries, todays immigrants live off tax payers money and don't want to work
Different circumstances in 1956.....Why not add the East Germans who fled to the West?
And the west didnt helped us
2:28 Cant tell if it is Luxembourg Or Magyarzarsog
Fascinating, thank you.
He needs to be kicked out of the EU