Ortofon 2M Black LVB250 vs Ortofon 2M Bronze vs Shure V15III Phono Cartridges
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- The reviews of the Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 have been fantastic. I had to try it myself. I then decided to run it against the Bronze and Shure V15III.
No regrets, it is a fine piece of eqpt.
Recording:
Stan Getz & Bill Evans - Previously Unreleased recording
Night and Day 6:45
on the Verve Label
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Sorry about that
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I sir, enjoy the mature sound of quality jazz. Thank you for going through the trouble of demonstrating this for us.
My 250 LVB lasted two years before having to be replaced. I switched to the original 2M Black, and the difference is very evident in the SQ.
I have to say, that the LVB would be my favorite. Thank you for your effort! Grettings from Germany.
All are awesome cartridges that make you wonder how the cult of the moving coil cartridge ever got started. The 2m Black LVB is a bit smoother than the 2m Bronze, which I own, but I find the Bronze to be more musically engaging. This may be because the Black is not fully broken in. The 45 year-old Shure V15 holds its own against these more "modern" cartridges.
The Shure is amazing considering its age
Thanks for watching
to me the 'cult of the moving coil' comes from the same place as people who justify spending 10s of thousands on a mechanical watch. it's a miniaturized, mechanical, hand-made thing of beauty (and it's inherently fragile) but the lightest generator masses are moving iron, not moving coil.
I am on my 2nd Bronze, and find no reason to move to Black. I use a Sutherland KC Vibe Pre-Amp, and it just sounds Great. I cannot find a reason to spend more money.
@@jeffl915 Agreed. The Bronze is the sweet spot of the 2m line.
I finally found the best way to listen to this program is making Keef with my 'home-grown.' That way I can take a break after the show and dream of all the things I want!
thanks for that very helpful comparison. the black lvb 250 sounded clearly better than the bronze.
Very nice system you have Sir . I would be very pleased with the Thorens it's s great sounding turntable
Thank you. We are retired and are setting up a retirement home. I grabbed a section of basement for my ManCave.
I was going to use some old vintage equipment I had but said screw it and decided to go 1st class. And I have to say the results are awesome!
Very nice set-up Elliot!
Thank you.
My goal was to put together my dream set up in retirement
I just got a shure v15 type 3 and it’s amazing. I run a v15 type 4 and 3 and m95ed and they all sound good
They were great cartridges. The V15III was considered to have been the peak of the line
You have very nice equipment. Do you have a preference for MM over MC? That is the case for me. I am breaking in my black lvb 250 right now. Its been 40+ hours and it is starting to open up. Thanks
Thank you. We recently moved into a new retirement and I decided to go for the brass ring with the audio.
I'm 71 and my hearing is starting to show my age. I am perfectly happy with the MM carts I'm using. I have been concerned about the fragility of the exposed stylii on the MCs as well.
I think that any sound improvement would be marginal and not worth the expense (for me).
Congrats Elliot both are amazing turntables. The VPI has more Soundstage and thorens is warmer both sound great.
Thanks, they are both great TTs but I think as far as the sound stage goes that is a reflection of the cartridge more so than the table.
@@ejcheck
Where did you buy your ultrasonic record cleaner I'm using a cheap record spin. Thank you for your demonstration on the 2m black . I will definitely buy for my technics 1200g. Great channel.
I bought it on Amazon on sale, which again appears to be the case. The sale and Amazon points made it very attractive. I've been very happy with it
www.amazon.com/iSonic-P4875II-MVR10-Ultrasonic-10-Records/dp/B07PT6HRNQ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3FAVYQX5W4QO9&keywords=isonic+record+cleaner&qid=1647133445&sprefix=isonic+record+cleaner%2Caps%2C86&sr=8-3
You probably spotted it already but here's my video on the iSonic
th-cam.com/video/uONM-77ofHg/w-d-xo.html
I can't wait for my LVB to arrive with my X2
I have a 2M Black with my Technics 1500C; I'm excited to hear the difference with this cartridge upgrade too!
How do you like this combo? I was looking at the same setup
@@pseudoty it's almost as if you knew it was arriving today. It litterally arrived 17 mins ago, and they are setting up as I text. Circle back in a week and I'll give you an update. I have a 60yr speyside waitng to be opened and can't think of a better time than my first vinyl on my new setup.
You shouldn't use a weight on the Thorens will damage the bearing and shim, check the bottom of the shim it shouldn't have an indentation, and the bottom of the spindle should be perfect without any line around it. the bearing can be improved I've done it on mine by changing the shim and and the plastic shim underneath and two types of lubrication.
Thanks for sharing.
The shure v15 was my favourite
mine too
The LVB 250 was too bright and detailed, for my liking. The Bronze sounds warmer than the LVB 250, producing a more natural vinyl listening experience. The Shure lacks punch, unlike the Bronze, which sounds more full. However, I prefer the sound of the Shure over the LVB 250. Overall, the Bronze sounds the best. In my opinion, the LVB 250 isn’t worth the $500 upgrade from the Bronze.
Do you find the Tube Box S2 sound to be better than the McIntosh onboard phono pre?
I'm happy with the McIntosh on-board preamp. The MA352 has a better phono section than the MA252 and allows you adjust for capacitance matching. The VPI is running through the Mc phono.
The TubeBox S2 is quite good and I picked it up when I was using the phono on my Yamaha Receiver. This was a major improvement over the Yamaha. I am using it with the Thorens TD160 on an aux input of the Mc.
Both are good and I think pretty similar in performance
if you had to only live with one set would you chose the JBL's or Klipsch?
Both are fantastic speakers and I'd be happy with either. But, I'd have to say the Klipsch if I could only have 1. I've loved them for 30yrs
@@ejcheck awesome cause I have forte IV’s
An awesome speaker, it will outlive you
??? Can i use my bronze cartridge with the LVB250 NEEDLE?
The cartridge body is the same! All I did was buy the LVB stylus and plug it in.
It saves $200 over the cartridge.
The same can be done to upgrade the Red 2M to a Blue 2M
omg.... This is just what i have been looking for!! I have a EAT Major c Sharp w Bronze With a mcintosh MA9000 Looking to buy black needle... Focal 1028 speakers
The not-calibrated mic is just picking up room resonances - there's no stereo picture to speak of and your camera movement is also causing phase problems (the mic shouldn't move).
The real way to demo a cart on video is a direct feed to the computer, bypassing both speakers and room (with all those reflections).
This would be a enlightening side-by-side comparison if you have the amp direct feeding a line level output to the computer next time.
The first two carts had too much treble the last one was more realistic that’s only my taste some people like that false tis ‘‘tis it’s treble sound
Your a great looking silver fox .... WOOF WOOF !!!
Thanks
Thanks
The Black LVB 250 is clearly the winner here for clarity and micro dynamics. The Bronze is no slouch, but it just got beat by the Black LVB.
@@ROBERTODILANDRO Gee, you seem rather agitated and hostile. My experience with both of the Ortofons in the post with my own direct listening. If you need to find fault with the OP, please direct your venom to that person.
@@roikhockenberger2790 Sorry, I didn't mean to be flippant, just that your message has been so direct and the sound of the video so bad that it's impossible to determine the quality of the needles through it. I have a Bronze and a Black and was curious to know the differences with an LVB.
It's super distracting when trying to listen to this at volume and you keep moving the darn camera creating a lot of noise. Why would you move the camera mid-recording?
Sorry about that. I don't recall what happened at the time to prompt me to reset the camera. I agree it should not have been done
Ja nie widzę różnicy.
As I said in the video, the differences to me were not great, and as we get older (I'm 73) they will be less noticeable. All 3 cartridges sounded great.
I still use the V15III on theThorens and the Black LVB 250 on the VPI.
I keep the Bronze stylus as a spare
@@ejcheck I am 66 years old, I use 2M Blue. As for the remaining equipment: Audiovector R3 Signature, Unison Research Unico Due, Pro-Ject Classic, but I have the Gigawatt PC3 SE conditioner and Tara Labs cables. Listening to music is poetry! Mainly vinyl. I have a Monrio CD with a Philis Pro2 drive. Regards.
@@agencjaad6980 I only listen to and buy LPs. Heavy into Jazz and good Old R&R (60's & 70's)
@@agencjaad6980 The 2M Blue is a lovely cartridge. The nude stylus is a major difference over the Red. I have one on a U-Turn Orbit I picked up for it's low [profile for the living room to keep the wife happy with her dceorating\
@@ejcheck Pozdrawiam. Moja żona (20 lat młodsza) też słucha muzyki. Zaraziłem ją tym poniekąd drogim, ale nad wyraz fascynującym zajęciem. Pozdrawiam i długich lat słuchania. Regards. My wife (20 years younger) also listens to music. I introduced her to this somewhat expensive but extremely fascinating activity. Best regards and long years of listening
run in not broke in
All three sound like shitty jazz to me ;-) thanks for the comparison
Naah. In my home country would have fixed the focus issue before publishing the review, So it´s not something you can call "quality"
linn axis beat that vpi
That's why they make so many different TTs. Enjoy your Linn
how can you compare in this format
Plz talk a little bit slower!!
How are we supposed to judge lol. The audio quality is abysmal rendering the whole idea of this comparison the very definition of stupid
Thanks for watching.
@@ejcheck dont thank me, thank the autoplay feature!