I do have a question and I hope is not off topic. Someone did a video about pocket 4k camera storage media choices on TH-cam. He found out that the pocket 4k has a max resolution file size of 272 mbps. But an iphone 4k max file size is 372 mbps. How can an iphone 4k video file size larger than the pocket 4k camera file size?
There is a big difference between Mbps (mega bits per second) and MBps (mega bytes per second). Mega bits are 1/8 of a mega byte. So the I phone is certainly not recording more data than cdng in the bmpcc4k. That data rate is in between prores LT and proxy.
Can you send me the link to this tutorial you speak of? I'd like to correct their mistake if they are saying the I phone records more information. I am looking at making a video on this.
Wow! I had no idea there would be that much data coming through this thing. Wow! So when this camera hit everyone is going to be complaining because they don't know what's going on. Thx, for explaining this.
I was thinking about buying the Pocket 4k, now I that I understand that there is more to think about around this camera, I think I’ll wait. Thank you this was informative
I actually had this coversation with someone who said they were going to get cheap sd cards to film 4k raw. I spent a couple comments trying to explain this very thing to them. I share this video if they reply back again. Great work
I don't even think you will be given the option to record 4k raw to SD cards, even the 4:1 compressed at 24fps. I know that the SD card peeps have technology for much faster cards but I think it is unlikely we will see those for quite a few years... Too much money to be made on the current uhsii cards. The safe route for 4k anything is going to be the tried and true cfast cards and hard drives to be sure.
Just to make it clear. Blackmagic specs are written in MegaBytes per second. MB/s = MegaBytes/second and Mb/s = Megabits per second and 8 mbits equals 1 mbyte ... so for stock footage in control situations on a tripod or good gimbal (not run/gun) shooting at Apple ProRes 422 LT - 54.63 MB/s is equivalent as shooting with a GH5 at 400 Mb/s. The question is if you want to save $400 or buy the GH5 which is weather proof and has IBIS ..... plus you need a room just to keep external hard drives with all your clips.
Right you are, and I think I point that out in the video. Only thing I would say is that prores and MP4 are not exactly the same although the data rates are similar. Quality could be the same, but prores tends to be more NLE friendly than mp4 and is more widely accepted as a deliverable for editors. MP4's and mjpg is definitely used a lot, don't get me wrong, however I have had editors request NLE friendly codecs prores/DNX and never specifically request MP4. Of course, depending on what you do, this could not matter at all or could be all the difference. If you don't care, and your clients/colleagues don't care, its all good. Personally, I like the idea of negating transcoding from MP4 to Prores/DNX, which I currently do on a regular basis. GH5 is a great camera for sure and is able to produce some really great results. I would rather opt for the S variety just because I don't like IBIS, but that's a personal choice. I'm sure I am the crazy odd one out who prefers IBIS for photos and not for video. For reals on the external drives with data storage comment... this is precisely why I shoot as compressed as possible unless I have somebody else willing to pay for the storage costs.
Been trying to decide between the Pocket 4K and 6K. Those data rates alone suggest 4K is the way to go otherwise I’m going to be buying storage hard drives every second week. Great video. Thanks Tony
Thanks for this been looking at the 6k and its nearly 20gb per min. At first I was looking to rig it and go that way but now I need to reverse my psychology and start with the media. Max rate or the 3:1 is 19.38 per min, on 2 TB thats 100 minutes. So I really need to sit down and look at the work I have been doing, some small doc work, shorter films and personal YT stuff. So if I want to do long sit down interviews I think 2 ,x 2tb ssd cards will hold up, while one is offloading I can carry on recording with the other 2TB. Genuinely thanks for this as its hit home as to where the money should be going and not the shiny stuff that will come down the line.
Thanks Tony - it's nice to have the reality of these datarates and solid advice on card choices. Coming from a C100ii, this is going to be quite a shock to the system. I'm going to share this on the BMPCC4k facebook groups if that's okay.
I have been using the C100 mi for years. Excellent camera and so reliable! That wide DR color profile works like a miracle and I truly wish every 8 bit system had such a CP! It will be a jump going from that camera in regards to data rates for sure. Glad I could help and please feel free to share!
According to the specs it will be fast enough for certain codecs at certain frame rates. Personally I will be using cfast or SSD for raw and SD cards with v90 for prores only. Remember that the higher frame rates will be more taxing on data speed and storage. Basically, it could or could not be okay depending on what you're shooting. Personally I can't say anything positive or negative exactly about the brand prograde as I haven't used those products. I do know a friend of mine just recently had an issue downloading from these cards even though they were new ish.
I learned this a couple of years ago and you're exactly right on everything!! I just wished more people weren't so quick to give bad reviews on products due to their lack of understanding or pure ignorance. I'm definitely bookmarking this, just so I can reply to every negative comment about storage or skipped frames when this camera is released. "You don't know what you're doing!!!" LOL! Great video!!
I read a review quite a bit ago of a uhs1 SD card and the reviewer said it was terrible and caused skipped frames etc when recording prores 4k. My eyes rolled so hard I could see my own brain. Many times, users just don't seem to know what they're doing, fumbling around, and that's okay as long as they commit to learning. Unfortunately when something doesn't work right, instead of really looking at why something isn't working (usually user error), it looks like they often take the easy route and blame their problems on an inanimate object that is likely functioning the way it's supposed to. Unfortunately you have to be your own filter in regards to reviews on products. The good thing is that BMD will eventually publish a list of tested and accepted storage devices, so the job should be a bit easier for us. Last I requested such a list was about 4 weeks ago and they don't have it ready yet, but I would imagine it will be similar to the Ursa list. I am hoping that whoever you share this video with learns a thing or two!
Ah, finally someone who explains this correctly. People getting this wrong were driving me nuts. I think by far the best recording solution for this camera are 2.5'' SSDs. You can get 500GB for less than 100 bucks and those are able to write CineDNG 1:1 in 30fps and 3:1 (or even 1:1 if you spend a bit more) in 60. I don't know why anyone in their right mind should use SD cards with this camera (except for shooting FHD, obviously).
The worst is confusing MBps with mbps. I think the most cost effective way is with the SSD, however it does drain the battery a little and can add to the size. If you want the smallest possible size/weight, then the CFAST is the way to go, although they are substantially more expensive for the same storage space. No storage device at the moment that I know of can sustain 60fps at CDNG uncompressed and some people think it is the fault of the camera... again these people are not understanding what write speeds are and why they are important so they immediately assign blame instead of understanding what they are doing.
@@TonyDae Well, there actually IS a storage device that's capable of handing 4K60 uncompressed - if you use a RAID-Array of SSDs over the USB port, they're actually fast enough for this (though not very easy to carry :D)
Data rates will be different but the point of the video is roughly the same. You need to buy storage media that can sustain the write speed needed. You are not going to be able to record Q0 6k with a v30 card for example.
Hi Dante, I pre-ordered my copy the day it was announced so I should be within the first batch or so in receiving them in the US. I will be using it professionally and doing my own tests beforehand but whether or not I'll be publishing any results? Eh, I dunno about that. I'm honestly too busy to do it right and publish any kind of findings that won't be purely subjective, as most tests are. If you want my subjective opinion on things, I can surely do that. What I may be able to do is a brief video saying a few things about it.
Thank you for the compliment! I am getting caught back up on work at the moment and football season has started so my Sundays are taken up mostly by watching sports. I am having a little slowing getting some content for the channel out right now but I am working on a few concepts for videos that I hope you will find valuable including my thoughts on Blackmagic Raw and a spotlight featuring one of this channel subscriber's short films. Thanks again!
I wouldn't get less than a 2 TB external SSD, which is the biggest Samsung T5 at the moment. I do not see a mount kit for the T5 that does not require a cage yet
Got my camera in yesterday. 500gb is enough for well over an hour of 4:1 Raw and about 2 hours or so in prores 422 standard. 4:1 raw looks great and so does prores standard so in my opinion, unless you for some reason need to shoot for over an hour straight in raw, I don't really see the need to have more than 500gb storage. having at least 2 storage devices is necessary just in case one dies on you, but in reality, I think for most purposes you will be just fine with a 500gig drive. I almost never shoot more than an hour in any project unless it is a live event, and even then, I would likely be shooting in prores LT, which gives about 3 hours of recording time. This is based on 24 fps though, so maybe if you are always shooting in 60p or 30p, maybe you will need more. I won't.
I just ran a test right now while working for you. 60fps 3:1 raw fills up the SSD no problem. If you are looking for like 2:1 or uncompressed 60p, I just wouldn't understand the point and as far as I know there is not a media recording device that can do that (uncompressed 60p raw). I think you will have more than enough IQ at 4:1 or 3:1. I personally do not plan on ever shooting above 3:1 in CDNG.
Hey Kuunami, Thank you for the kind words! I pre-ordered mine the minute I saw them at NAB. I'd been waiting for a 4k version of the original pocket for years! I will be doing more videos when I can and will be trying to center my thoughts around teaching theory and video production management more than gear related videos. In my experience, the management side has been the most important part of production. I hope that you subscribe and stick around for those as much as any gear vids I make since I think those are most useful in real life. It's far more expensive to buy success than to earn it I say. I will be doing an asset management video in the near future which is not as flashy as talking about new toys, but far more useful.
Very informative! I'm thinking about getting this camera because I've had footage shot on a BMPCC before, and liked it, but wanted less of a crop factor and a brighter screen. 4K isn't a big seller for me, but great to have that available if I want it. For less than US$1500, is there anything comparable in image quality for shooting 1080-1440p cinema?
Hi Miles... I ended up writing a book so uh, excuse me... If I were to give advice on this, and anybody else is welcome to chime in with some cents as well since I am sure there are tons of different choices I am just not thinking about or tried or just don;t like but others do... I would say that you could be looking at something like a 5dii or iii with magic lantern or the original black magic pocket. I can't think of anything that can provide what those things can at those prices and I have had experience with them enough to know they give excellent results, assuming you are being sure to light the scene properly, and both mounts can support EF glass, which is plentiful on the used market. Low light is not a friend to any of those cameras if you were to compare to more modern cameras like a sony a7si/ii, however the Sony's do not provide raw or 10 bit recording. It is a pick your poison kind of situation there. Some people are okay with the 8 bit logs in the Sony's but frankly, I am not a big fan of it when compared to 10bit log or raw. I am sure I'll get flack for having an opinion on that but, those are rules of the game apparently... Dislike a thing about a thing and you're sure to get hate mail. The cameras I mentioned can all shoot raw in HD and are still capable of very good IQ while being relatively inexpensive. The only caveat is that I honestly hate focusing in full frame and if you're like me, you'll hate using the Canons even though they look good. What you can do for the BMPCC original (I guess we can call it the BMPCC O.G.) is get a focal reducer and use some APSC or FF glass, but those focal reducers can be quite a bit of money (compared to the price of the camera), and on super 16, I'm not sure you will get enough of a reduction in the focal length to make it worth your while. I can speak highly of metabones, but not for Mitakons. My mitakon is TRASH. I will likely do a video on why I hate it. My assumption though is that this 4k version of the pocket camera will be just unbeatable in regards to IQ at that price by any brand. I assume it will be as good IQ as the BMPCC O.G. with better low light IQ due to the dual native ISO sensor and at 4K resolution. That's all I am hoping for to be honest. IF that's true (and nobody has yet to see any footage so only BMD knows if it is any good or not) it offers options and image quality that cameras 5 or 6 times the price don't offer, which is why I'd say I cannot recommend any of the 5d's or the original pocket over this one for the money. I would say, if you HAVE to BUY something now, a used BMPCC O.G. or 5dii/iii would be the best bet... but always try before you buy! Don't take my word or anybody else's word for it and waste your hard earned cash. Some cameras are just not for you and you'll hate them, others you'll be so happy with you won't care that they're annoying. Man the BMPCC O.G. community is polarizing. Some people absolutely hate it, others love it so much they take it with them everywhere they go and shoot little movies all over the place. But, if you DON'T have a reason to buy, just rent some awesome stuff for a fraction of the price and go shoot some really great footage instead. Better to do that than spend a couple K on something you don't really want, know what I mean?
Hi Tony, thanks for the feedback! Had not considered the 5dii, will keep an eye out. My fiancee has a 6D (that I'm not allowed to touch), so Canon glass is easy for me to access, along with batteries. I've considered the BMPCC w/ a metabones. My DP shot with one, and it turned out pretty well. It was part of what turned me on to BlackMagic. However, shooting outside in sunlight with its dim screen was a huge pain, and I didn't like the IO or the sensor size. Hence why the 4K version has hooked me :p Thank you for your tips, will keep an eye out :D and also thanks for the video, just one more reason to get an external Thunderbolt 3 SSD :D
I would assume you know better than I, but wouldn't the SSD data transfer over a cable be significantly slower than a cfast? Usually usb data transfers are far slower than the drives are even capable of.
USB c 3.1 is rated in Gbps. Just look up the difference between each generation of USB. These aren't the USB 1s or 2s my dude. The USB device used for this thing is blistering fast and should allow much longer recording of raw data than cfast cards. Personally I still like cfast because you don't have an SSD hanging on your rig, but still, SSD will likely be what I use anyways for raw because the dollar/gig is much friendlier than cfast cards.
Great explanation! I have had to explain similar details to novice computer gamers when building rigs. In addition, many photographers who port over to video have a similar difficulty when it comes to read and write speeds.
If you want it to be as small a package as possible for gimbal work or running this thing around with as little weight as possible, for sure. I can imagine that if you don't need a lot of recording time in one go, cinema use for example, you wouldn't need to use an SSD exactly since its pretty easy to swap cards out. Pros and cons to both I'd say. I do think that cfast cards need to come down in price though.
Great video... from One perspective cameras are developing faster than the cards ... SD cards are sold to be used in cameras... when a New camera comes out... and Its better than cameras before it... then the demands for faster cards comes One second later... Its the hen and the egg thing... again Great video.... Youre really good at explaining stuff. Nice and Calm. Love it.
Hi Malik Thomas, Thank you for the comment! And I agree with you completely... accessories just don't come in time for showtime of the real product... but I guess that's one of the downfalls of being an early adopter? I dunno. I have been absolutely HOUNDING BMD to give me the details on some really important things with this camera. I have a video I am holding off on regarding battery options and how to pretty accurately calculate how much juice you''ll get per charge but they cannot tell me specifically if the two pin connect for AC power is a LEMO or not! UHG! I will probably give up hope and release the video anyways assuming that AT SOME POINT somebody will create the proper adapter unit for this camera so I can use my L mount or V mount batteries with this thing. Thank you for the comment, means a lot to me!
I'll be picking up a couple Samsung 1TB T5's eventually. So far, I've been able to shoot all BMPCC4K compressions on a 64GB SanDisk 64GB Extreme Pro SD Card (v90, UHS-II, 300mb/s). For a short film I'm writing and shooting, I shot all of my green screen shots at the 3:1 setting with no issues at all. Some people in a BMPCC4K user group on Facebook are saying things like, "You have to shoot on CFast". My experience proves that's not the case. Anyway, thanks for your content. Keep the BMPCC4K stuff coming. Love it. (( EDIT: Oh, and I am loving BRAW. I can't see shooting in anything else given the power it provides. ))
Moving into 30-60 fps range you will risk dropped frames at 3:1 on the v90. Most Cfast will guarantee no dropped frames at most compression rates and frame rates, which is probably why some people are advocating Cfast. I shoot most of my work between 30 and 60 fps and 5:1 - 12:1, so v90 is too much of a risk for me. If you stay at 24 fps and you are shooting shorter clips you might be OK with the v90.
Thanks Tony. This was a real eye opener. The cost of cards is way too high for the amateurs among us. The SSD card seems to be the answer. I am still waiting for this camera to become available in Australian camera shops.
you can use 2x 128gb c-fast and just swap between full one and empty one while the other card offloads off to an ssd with a laptop or mini box (that fits in your camera bag)
Absolutely, this is how I have run a lot of productions. Even if you only get about 5-10 minutes per card, it is really easy to swap out and takes next to zero time as long as the card slots are accessible. Back in the day I was swapping film in dark bags, so swapping cards or batteries is like a dream come true.
Great info. I’m planning to purchase two or three of these for student use at the university. You broke down the data info brilliantly. To keep it idiot proof as possible, I’ll be purchasing the T5’s with them. Thanks.
Hi James, I will be releasing a video soon (hopefully tomorrow if I get around to it) talking about battery options and teach you to figure out how to calculate how much juice any possible substitute battery (v mounts, L mounts, whatever) should have in it by hours relative to BMD's LP-e6 battery. Be sure to check that out as well as I think it may help you and your students deal with this power hungry beast. However, if it is for student films, a boat load of LP-E6's might be OK. When I was shooting in school I had to load/unload 16mm film... way less fun than popping batteries in and out every 45 minutes.
The extreme pro SanDisk card has worked fine for me on the gh5 even when I do use the all intra, but I rarely use the all intra. I typically use the 150mb/sec 10 bit 4k. You say it "ain't going to cut it", but I have yet to have a card stop for me because of card speed. I shoot almost everyday with it, and sometimes do full 12hr shoots. Maybe use the camera before giving advice.
You are not using the 400mbps codec I'm plainly talking about, you are shooting under 30MBps. If you are shooting a u3, it's a v30. I am clearly talking about shooting 50MBps and I am one hundred percent correct here. If you care about consistency and being sure your high data rate video makes it to the card, you are best off using gear that guarantees success instead of making a gamble. Just because you shoot under 30MBps and it works doesn't mean shooting higher data rates on the same slow card will work. You have to understand the context of what I'm saying before trying to argue. Also, 10 bit at 150mbps is not going to give you enough information to really have ten bit distinguishable from the 8 bit codec. Do your own test between 10 bit 400mbps, 10 bit 150mbps, and 100mbps 8 bit. The difference should be obvious and is huge between the 400 and 150, and negligible between 8 bit and 150mbps 10 bit.
Honestly you can do whatever you want with your work, it's no skin off my back. If you are comfortable gambling with cards too slow to guarantee the footage makes it to the card every time, then go for it. Data is just numbers and you can't really argue with math. It's simple. The card can either guarantee video makes it or doesn't. I didn't make the rules or publish SD card speeds
@@TonyDae I'm not saying you math is wrong. You do need a faster card to shoot 400 mb/sec. The cards you mentioned will only shoot 10-15 seconds before ending the clip. When I first bought the camera I bought uhs2 cards thinking I needed them just to shoot the 150mb/sec, so I wish I knew what you shared in this video then. Have you done a side by side with the 400 vs the frame sampling 150? I thought all-i was going to be such a big difference, but after several tests found that all-i only made a difference in rare cases and is not worth only getting 24 min out of 128gb cards, especially when I have to manage multi cam shoots alone.
@@jacobjewett5575 if you shoot log you will see a big difference between 400Mbps and 150, biggest differences for me are speed and integrity of the file. The 150 looks and grades near identical to 8 bit unless there's been magic done in latest firmware, which I doubt, and you're shooting log which indeed can provide some benefit if you're shooting flat. I personally wouldn't shoot flat with either. The compression is so high on 150mbps 4k that I find it not worth the effort. If you don't shoot log and legitimately don't see any benefit for your work to the 400 alli codec, which I would find interesting, then there is obviously no reason to increase the data rate. I can tell you from not only my experience but others in the field that the difference between 400 and 150 in ten bit is large and 150 to 100 8 bit to be negligible at best, assuming you are using the codecs to their strengths. But again if you see no benefit for your work personally, then obviously you shouldn't do anything differently just because some idiot on TH-cam says something contrary to what you know works for you. Running multiple cameras solo sucks hard core dude, so good luck to you on that. I think you represent the newest age of video makers that have many quaking because doing that ten years ago wasn't a thought in anybody's head really. I imagine wireless monitors via phone and tablet help tremendously with that kind of job. Again, the context of what I'm saying regarding the v30 cards not cutting it is specifically in regards to the 400mbps codec, not 150, in effort to give a benchmark that can be related to what you'll see in the bmpcc4k codecs.
So I wanna buy an SSD as its just way cheaper. How much footage can I shoot on a 500GB ssd in 4k / 24 fps. and 4k / 60fps ? Because I'm not sure if I wanna get the 1TB or the 500GB Samsung T5 SSD. Does anyone know?
I am pretty sure that if you were to go onto BMD website and look at the data rates for each compression, then compare to the storage you are looking at, you could figure this out on your own.
Thank you so much for this video! I’m leaving this comment now because I don’t have the time to watch the rest but is it safe to assume the SanDisk UHS II 300 MB/s can record 4k RAW 24 fps and the requirement for 4k RAW 60 FPS and 1080p 120 FPS would be a cfast 2.0 card? That sound about right? Thank you in advance! Subbed and liked!
Hi KikinProductions I would recommend always looking at the minimum write speed on a card when looking to shoot video with it. If the card is not rated to at least sustain what you are doing, then I do not think it is a good buy for your video recording. The Sandisk in question is highly unlikely to be able to consistently record 4k video above 30MBps because it has a minimum write speed of 30MBps. Because of this, there is no way I would trust the card to write raw 4K of any variety, and I would only trust it to record prores proxy. For 4K raw, I recommend looking at CFAST cards that have a 130MBPS minimum write speed for 4K raw or SSD's that can sustain the writing speed you require. My opinion, and the opinion of many others, is that SSD would be the safest and cheapest bet, though more cumbersome than CFAST.
Tony Dae thank you so much! I seriously think you deserve some kind of composition from BMD for this. I couldn’t find these answers in B&H QA. But yeah one last thing, what cfast card would you recommend to cover every recording mode on the blackmagic pocket 4K without any issues?
@@KikinProductions I can't tell you that with any degree of certainty as BMD has not to my knowledge released a detailed list of cards that work with the camera. I would imagine that if you see storage devices in their own ads then those should work. I don't know of any cfast at the top of my head that would be trust worthy for 60fps uncompressed raw for example though since I've never ever done that and the data will be incredibly high. Most cfast 2.0 I have used have a minimum write speed of 130MB/s which should be enough for most applications. If you want the most flexibility in recording formats I think SSD is the safest still. I don't see myself recording anything over 3:1 raw and will be shooting mostly in prores flavors myself. I will be recording mostly to SSD since I do a lot of interviews and longer single take recordings. Thanks for the compliments! I currently receive zero compensation for any of the YT content I've made since I don't have any affiliations and don't want ads on my videos. I may do some kind of patreon later but I'm not sure. If BMD wants to give me some money I surely wouldn't fight against it!
There are enclosures that can house m.2 SSD's with a USB-C output. if you get something like the Samsung 860 EVO 1TB mSATA (A small form factor m.2) and a small enclosure, you're looking at sequential write speeds up to 520 MB/s and sequential read speeds up to 550 MB/s in something not much bigger than a C-FAST card for around $270 US (THATS 1TB OF RAW RECORDING). Should be good for around an hour of recording hopefully! basically just a Samsung T5 that's smaller and cheaper lol.
Really nice video! Don't know if you've seen it but they have updated the Blackmagic site. Not the highest MB/s is 135 - still a lot more than Sony footage though. Thank you for the video!!
I pre-ordered a copy in early April and still have not received it. I had been waiting for a 4K version of the pocket since I couldn't get my hands on an original back when that one was released so I was hoping to get an early copy by pre-ordering so early on but, alas... I have been catching up on work so hopefully I will have a little time this coming week to produce a video. Thank you for subbing!
i think SSD much cheaper choice between SD Card and Cfast card, SSD has much larger storage and fast too. The Samsung T5 has 2TB storage which mean best for shooting CinemaDNG RAW for long time. But i think the usb c port must have some protection. For run and gun situation a think cfast is good choice beetwen ssd because the data protection much better than ssd.
No need to!!! Go check out the Rycote Wireless receiver mount. That's what I have ready for my BMPCC4K and T5... check it here - instagram.com/p/BmQBBiYh9ZW/?taken-by=richardgreenfilms
The SSD capability is why I'm going for this over GH5S or anything similar. I plan on getting a USB-C 3.1 cable and a corresponding USB dock that fits a 1/2TB SSD, and just edit straight off those, not even putting RAW/ProRes on my computer (no way am I archiving RAW at those data rates). Just grade and render straight into a usable file. Bring on massively cheap SSD's!
Hi Bastienrichel, the V rating basically means it is the minimum write speed of that card. This means that the card will ALWAYS be able to sustain a write speed of its V rating, theoretically. The V rating is given in MBps... Megabytes per second. If you are shooting something at 30MBps or lower, then a V30 card should work fine, because the minimum write speed equals or surpasses the data you are shooting. If you are writing something at 50MBps (the GH5 example) on a V30, the writing speed may drop below 50MBps during shooting, meaning that you may have dropped frames or a lockup or some other thing. You will need a card with a V60 to ensure that the write speed will sustain properly for the entire clip. *My rule is to always use a card with a V rating that is higher than what you want to write. This ensures that, according to the SD org and my own experience, you should never have a lockup or dropped frames, unless the card is of course faulty.* You will have to do your homework and calculate how much data you need to write and be sure it is in reference to the frame rate, codec, and resolution. Prores for example increases its data rate as the frame rate increases even at the same flavor and the same resolution, so it is VERY important that you think hard about what you will be doing and at what frame rate. Check out the Apple prores white paper for more info on that specific codec. BMD will eventually provide a list of what stuff is going to work best (according to their research) in what data rates. I have been hounding them for some kind of paper on this for months so when I know, I will likely post a video about it. Does this help?
I'm waiting for black magic raw for this camera. Then this camera will make much more sense vs my gh5. Right now there aren't many more benefits vs the DNxHR 4k 10bit 422 60p out of the GH5(s). Black magic raw means these same file sizes I'm used too but in raw, then it's game over
If I had a GH5s, I would not have bought this camera at all. BRAW, is awesome. If you have not had a chance to use it in resolve, seriously check it out. It runs faster than prores on my machine and the utility is everything I want. You get gain/WB unbaked to the file, up to 12:1 compression that looks pretty good for certain things (can record on a standard UHS1 U3 card!), 12 bit color, and it runs fast! Can't wait for it to arrive on the pocket. I think that BMD makes OK devices, (assuming you are OK beta testing some stuff...) but the Resolve software, the UI on their cameras, and this new codec are the heavy hitters. Every other company should be looking at making their UI copycats of BMD's and look into getting BRAW in their codecs.
If you're recording raw 4k you should expect such little card time. It's only normal, if you're not aware of that you're inexperienced or amateur. I'll be happy to shoot 1080 in most cases, my CF cards will handle it fine and I'll bring the ssd disc too.
Hi Afonso.ponto, I agree, you should expect this if you are looking at buying anything related to data storage... and if you are a seasoned vet in video making then you will probably know this. However, because of how this camera is being marketed, it may be the case that certain inexperienced amateur movie makers will not understand how little a seemingly large data capacity card can hold in relation to minutes and seconds of footage. You might be surprised at how many people really believe that the 4K footage from a Sony FF stills camera is comparable to the data from a super 35 cine camera recording in 4K prores 422. Some just think 4k is 4k and have no idea that codecs, bit rates, bit depth, and chroma sampling are things. They just don't know... and there's no shame in that as long as they are open to learning. Yes these are amateurs, but they are also people who want to create, and I am all for that. I have seen in the last decade some amazing stuff from people who are just beginning their careers and it is astonishing how young filmmakers, sometimes only at heart, can tell much more powerful stories than seasoned vets in Hollywood or NY. The technical areas are where they usually fall short, and that's easier to correct when compared to imagination and the art of storytelling. In regards to HD.... The original pocket just blew me away when it was released in regards to IQ in 2K so I imagine this one will be a step up. HD is more than enough for many deliverables... especially if you are putting it on the web (youtube).
With the new BRAW codecs you can shoot raw to SD cards at high compression with less issues, but I still use SSD for everything so I can flip to high speed 60p with no concerns regardless of compression rate. This is an older video where CDNG was the only raw option.
I think those 50 people could be upset because I said you should shoot with an appropriate card for the ALLI codec on the GH5. Had a lot of people complain to me that long GOP is better than ALLI or they have no problem shooting the GH5 and that wasn't the point of the video at all. With BRAW it is different only really in that the data rates are different than CDNG, but all the same rules apply I think. I still would shoot with a V rating card higher than the data rate of the codec I would be using for safety. Some people are trying to shoot 5:1 or 8:1 compression with a UHS I card and surprised to see that the card can't keep up...
I’m excited to see TH-cam videos for this camera beyond the 30 second artistic handheld clips by Eastern European cctv c mount lens anonymous hacker driving Yugo’s uploads for the 1st pocket we currently only have 🤘🤘🤘
You didn't mention that SSDs have much faster write and read speeds than HDDs so an external HDD will probably not fulfill the requirements for recording 4k video.
Some hdds are really fast, it just depends on the specs. My assumption is that people listen to my advice in which I state to get solid state drive instead of "normal" spinning drives for other reasons. Speed could be good enough in a normal drive or not, each drive is different.
By the way, I'm not arguing that SSD's aren't generally faster, I think they're better in just about every way including how fast they are. Technically an hdd can store raw in 3:1, 4:1 or uncompressed if it is fast enough for what you're doing. I just didn't really go into it, it all depends on what you're doing. If you're running prores standard at 30p for a live event and just need hours of that content, I would imagine an hdd could work just fine.
Okay, I see your point. And I agree a main reason an SSD is better is because it has no moving parts so it is more durable. When the drive is spun up, an HDD is vulnerable to damage if it is moved/bumped and the read head smashes into the plate. Attaching spinning discs to a moving camera and expecting nothing to get broken is on the dangerous side of wishful thinking eh?
Hey there, took a while to get to this. You are probably not shooting all intra 400mbps as I stated in the video. This codec was being used as an example to get people to understand the data rates in a way that isn't too heady. If you are shooting under 30MBps then naturally you will have no problem with a standard u3
i shoot 150 mbps in ultra hd you have no choice but I also shoot 400mbps and i honestly have no issue . maybe its the card no clue or maybe color profiles that collect more data like log is the reason why it wouldn't work but i shoot cine like
@@CodakChris if you're shooting all intra and long periods of time with a u3 uhsi and a minimum 30MB rating you my friend have what's called a unicorn.
Actually the GH5 and 5S will only do the 400 mb/s using a UHS II card not the UHS I card even if it could be a V60 or greater card. They will not record that codec onto a UHS I ...Ironically the cards that work very well on the Panasonic GH5 for the 400 mb/s are the SONY SD UHS II cards. The M cards or cheaper ones... pretty sure those are not even V rated but I do know they work. FYI .. I have been told by a local video supplier that the V rating are entirely self regulated ... there is no real certification. My understanding is that many users of this BM camera and others are going to be using the SSD solution from BM.. I guess not that portable any more but cheaper I guess.
Hi Michael B, I provided a link to the SD card people's explanation of the V rating. It is supposed to be a standard from the SD card organization as far as I know it is regulated. I am using the GH5 bit rate as an example irrespective of the software allowing it to write to an SDI or SDII. I also allude to using an SD card for raw stating even if a device was enabled to write to the card, it wouldn't likely be able to due to the speed of the card itself. I think most people will definitely be writing to an SSD for sure. It is a great feature of this particular camera and I am hoping more manufacturers design video cameras in this way.
Oh for sure it is a class standard BUT all I can tell you is that when my local supplier had the big name card reps come in... they told him that it is not a independent board certification but I guess you could say the honour system. But of course I wasn't there and cannot verify. I do wish BM sold that SSD Ursa Mini recorder as a separate unit to see if it would work with other cameras. I think it is just an optional add on. As you mention, the top DNG options are not recordable onto CFAST 2 even the Sandisk Extreme at V130 . Would most people use those dense files ??? Doubt it..... I guess for film work? I agree with you the LT and 422 are quite sufficient. How does ProRes Raw fit into BM new cameras
I can see what you mean. If that were true it would also mean that the other ratings shown on a card would also be on the honor system. I haven't looked so far into that one, but it would be worrying if there were data companies not being honest about their ratings. I think that as long as you are buying from a trusted brand and source, you should not have issues with this. Considering how bad reviews of products spread like wildfire over social media nowadays, I would imagine that any major storage company trying to bum their customers would be found out in a heartbeat. Would most people use uncompressed raw? I don't think so, but I specifically mention IQ snobs wanting to shoot at the very top of the DNG options. These are the types that will take different raw options and zoom in at 400 or 500 percent and point out that there are slight differences in quality, and therefore claim you are a fool to sacrifice image quality because you are "being cheap" recording compressed raw for some kind of small time video production. I know it sounds crazy, but it happens more often than you'd think. Some people can't let anything go. I am told consistently by social media peeps that I'm joker for sacrificing IQ when shooting Prores LT for projects not paying for better IQ because prores HQ and raw is so obviously better. Well, if it was so obviously better and it mattered, I am sure the people paying me would say something right? Well, they don't. So I'm the winner. I would imagine most people will be shooting raw in 3:1 or 4:1 and Prores standard and LT. I think I also point out that most people will be living in these two zones since they make the most sense in regards to the quality you get for the storage cost. From what I have read and seen from BMD, they are hesitant to put prores raw in due to color science concerns and other such technical reasons. It may be possible that apple worked a deal with certain companies and are protecting proresraw from others, but I don't really know. You would have to ask BMD on this one, but honestly, I think I will be OK with any of the prores and DNG options provided. The fact you can get that in a camera thats costing 1300 dollars is unbelievable to me.
Don't know about the other U ratings etc ... but this new V rating seems to have caused a bit of a buzz. It is a non issue for me because I never enter the realm of crazy data rates. I think you're gonna need some serious peeping to see much difference from LT to 422 or HQ... It is the law of diminishing returns. Maybe try a green screen test and see if you get more blocking on the LT vs HQ. Dunno. ProRes was introduced quite some time ago to be implemented into the then FCP editor which required all footage to be QT based. But it turned out to be a darned good codec and it certainly makes post alot easier than dealing with higher compression formats. It just takes alot of the heavy lifting out of the equation. As for the honour system... someone will do some testing I am sure to keep them honest. But you hit the nail on the head.... to get all that in a camera under 1500 is pretty crazy. If you ever met Grant, he has been preaching the mantra of putting tools in the hands of those people who use it at a reasonable price for eons. I've been using BMD stuff since they first put out the Decklink SP card....not even sure when. It is worth buying this camera but I always like the second generation of stuff just to let them work out all the bugs. Maybe third gen.??
@@puddytat62 I'm not sure who Grant is but I think along those lines too. I am a pretty big proponent of open source programs like inkscape, GIMP, and blender, which is probably what drew me to BMD in the first place. Resolve has completely changed my workflow for the better and I am very close to moving over to resolve for everything. I edit certain projects completely in resolve and I am sure that I will move completely over in all aspects once I have the full version. I think that BMD is indeed very ambitious in trying to get good iq to the masses for cheap. Sometimes I think they could have done a better job, other times they hit it out of the park. I would think of the original pocket as the first version of this camera honestly and if it's the same thing only in 4k with upgraded OS and better iso performance, I honestly think I can live with that.
I do have a question and I hope is not off topic. Someone did a video about pocket 4k camera storage media choices on TH-cam. He found out that the pocket 4k has a max resolution file size of 272 mbps. But an iphone 4k max file size is 372 mbps. How can an iphone 4k video file size larger than the pocket 4k camera file size?
There is a big difference between Mbps (mega bits per second) and MBps (mega bytes per second). Mega bits are 1/8 of a mega byte. So the I phone is certainly not recording more data than cdng in the bmpcc4k. That data rate is in between prores LT and proxy.
Can you send me the link to this tutorial you speak of? I'd like to correct their mistake if they are saying the I phone records more information. I am looking at making a video on this.
I just bought 4k Bmdpcc and this video certainly is an eye opener to go back and read the 165 pages manual with a calculator.
Finally someone who actually speaks my language 🙏🙏🙏
It feels good to see that there is at least someone, who's talking about hardcore technicalities!!!
Wow! I had no idea there would be that much data coming through this thing. Wow! So when this camera hit everyone is going to be complaining because they don't know what's going on. Thx, for explaining this.
Look at it like this, the more graphics or real things look, the more storage it takes up.
Thanks so much. Not too long, not boring. Very informative for newbies and us returning to video lo these many years.
I was thinking about buying the Pocket 4k, now I that I understand that there is more to think about around this camera, I think I’ll wait. Thank you this was informative
I actually had this coversation with someone who said they were going to get cheap sd cards to film 4k raw. I spent a couple comments trying to explain this very thing to them. I share this video if they reply back again.
Great work
I don't even think you will be given the option to record 4k raw to SD cards, even the 4:1 compressed at 24fps. I know that the SD card peeps have technology for much faster cards but I think it is unlikely we will see those for quite a few years... Too much money to be made on the current uhsii cards.
The safe route for 4k anything is going to be the tried and true cfast cards and hard drives to be sure.
I think they said 4k raw 3:1 or 4:1 24p and 30p only to the SD Cards. Then anything higher or at 60p needs the Cfast cards.
Stan Sebastian G I used the ursa mini pro not too long ago and uses same codec and data rate. You can't get past 10 seconds on an SD card
Just to make it clear. Blackmagic specs are written in MegaBytes per second. MB/s = MegaBytes/second and Mb/s = Megabits per second and 8 mbits equals 1 mbyte ... so for stock footage in control situations on a tripod or good gimbal (not run/gun) shooting at Apple ProRes 422 LT - 54.63 MB/s is equivalent as shooting with a GH5 at 400 Mb/s. The question is if you want to save $400 or buy the GH5 which is weather proof and has IBIS ..... plus you need a room just to keep external hard drives with all your clips.
Right you are, and I think I point that out in the video. Only thing I would say is that prores and MP4 are not exactly the same although the data rates are similar. Quality could be the same, but prores tends to be more NLE friendly than mp4 and is more widely accepted as a deliverable for editors. MP4's and mjpg is definitely used a lot, don't get me wrong, however I have had editors request NLE friendly codecs prores/DNX and never specifically request MP4. Of course, depending on what you do, this could not matter at all or could be all the difference. If you don't care, and your clients/colleagues don't care, its all good.
Personally, I like the idea of negating transcoding from MP4 to Prores/DNX, which I currently do on a regular basis.
GH5 is a great camera for sure and is able to produce some really great results. I would rather opt for the S variety just because I don't like IBIS, but that's a personal choice. I'm sure I am the crazy odd one out who prefers IBIS for photos and not for video.
For reals on the external drives with data storage comment... this is precisely why I shoot as compressed as possible unless I have somebody else willing to pay for the storage costs.
Fantastic explanation, got the samsung SSD thanks Tony !
Hear the BMP had some issues detecting SSD external drives.
It had trouble with the Samsung t5 500GB SSD but has been cleared up with firmware 6.1. If there are others having trouble I am not aware of them.
This was sooooo helpful. I'm not clicking on any other video for my storage problem.
Your way of explaining things is awsome man, Keep Going!
Glad I could help you out!
Been trying to decide between the Pocket 4K and 6K. Those data rates alone suggest 4K is the way to go otherwise I’m going to be buying storage hard drives every second week. Great video. Thanks Tony
Thanks for this been looking at the 6k and its nearly 20gb per min. At first I was looking to rig it and go that way but now I need to reverse my psychology and start with the media.
Max rate or the 3:1 is 19.38 per min, on 2 TB thats 100 minutes.
So I really need to sit down and look at the work I have been doing, some small doc work, shorter films and personal YT stuff. So if I want to do long sit down interviews I think 2 ,x 2tb ssd cards will hold up, while one is offloading I can carry on recording with the other 2TB.
Genuinely thanks for this as its hit home as to where the money should be going and not the shiny stuff that will come down the line.
Thanks Tony - it's nice to have the reality of these datarates and solid advice on card choices. Coming from a C100ii, this is going to be quite a shock to the system. I'm going to share this on the BMPCC4k facebook groups if that's okay.
I have been using the C100 mi for years. Excellent camera and so reliable! That wide DR color profile works like a miracle and I truly wish every 8 bit system had such a CP!
It will be a jump going from that camera in regards to data rates for sure. Glad I could help and please feel free to share!
amazing... thank you for this. keep rambling! I love it!
PROGRADE DIGITAL SDXC™ UHS-II, V90 MEMORY CARD
Would this sd cards be ok for the pocket cinema 4k? Would love your opinion
According to the specs it will be fast enough for certain codecs at certain frame rates. Personally I will be using cfast or SSD for raw and SD cards with v90 for prores only. Remember that the higher frame rates will be more taxing on data speed and storage.
Basically, it could or could not be okay depending on what you're shooting. Personally I can't say anything positive or negative exactly about the brand prograde as I haven't used those products. I do know a friend of mine just recently had an issue downloading from these cards even though they were new ish.
Thanks ! a video that does relavant info! So rare.
I learned this a couple of years ago and you're exactly right on everything!! I just wished more people weren't so quick to give bad reviews on products due to their lack of understanding or pure ignorance. I'm definitely bookmarking this, just so I can reply to every negative comment about storage or skipped frames when this camera is released. "You don't know what you're doing!!!" LOL! Great video!!
I read a review quite a bit ago of a uhs1 SD card and the reviewer said it was terrible and caused skipped frames etc when recording prores 4k. My eyes rolled so hard I could see my own brain.
Many times, users just don't seem to know what they're doing, fumbling around, and that's okay as long as they commit to learning. Unfortunately when something doesn't work right, instead of really looking at why something isn't working (usually user error), it looks like they often take the easy route and blame their problems on an inanimate object that is likely functioning the way it's supposed to.
Unfortunately you have to be your own filter in regards to reviews on products. The good thing is that BMD will eventually publish a list of tested and accepted storage devices, so the job should be a bit easier for us. Last I requested such a list was about 4 weeks ago and they don't have it ready yet, but I would imagine it will be similar to the Ursa list.
I am hoping that whoever you share this video with learns a thing or two!
Ah, finally someone who explains this correctly. People getting this wrong were driving me nuts.
I think by far the best recording solution for this camera are 2.5'' SSDs. You can get 500GB for less than 100 bucks and those are able to write CineDNG 1:1 in 30fps and 3:1 (or even 1:1 if you spend a bit more) in 60. I don't know why anyone in their right mind should use SD cards with this camera (except for shooting FHD, obviously).
The worst is confusing MBps with mbps.
I think the most cost effective way is with the SSD, however it does drain the battery a little and can add to the size. If you want the smallest possible size/weight, then the CFAST is the way to go, although they are substantially more expensive for the same storage space.
No storage device at the moment that I know of can sustain 60fps at CDNG uncompressed and some people think it is the fault of the camera... again these people are not understanding what write speeds are and why they are important so they immediately assign blame instead of understanding what they are doing.
@@TonyDae Well, there actually IS a storage device that's capable of handing 4K60 uncompressed - if you use a RAID-Array of SSDs over the USB port, they're actually fast enough for this (though not very easy to carry :D)
I suppose you could rig a set of devices in such a way, but the practicality does escape me :).
Just purchased the black magic pocket 6k is this info good for my camera?
Data rates will be different but the point of the video is roughly the same. You need to buy storage media that can sustain the write speed needed. You are not going to be able to record Q0 6k with a v30 card for example.
Are you going to get this camera and have demonstrations?
Hi Dante,
I pre-ordered my copy the day it was announced so I should be within the first batch or so in receiving them in the US. I will be using it professionally and doing my own tests beforehand but whether or not I'll be publishing any results? Eh, I dunno about that. I'm honestly too busy to do it right and publish any kind of findings that won't be purely subjective, as most tests are. If you want my subjective opinion on things, I can surely do that.
What I may be able to do is a brief video saying a few things about it.
Tony Dae This will help since I'm buying another camera next year. I was thinking about the 80d, but this camera caught my interest around February.
Dude! I love your videos on this camera! please keep doing them!
Thank you for the compliment! I am getting caught back up on work at the moment and football season has started so my Sundays are taken up mostly by watching sports.
I am having a little slowing getting some content for the channel out right now but I am working on a few concepts for videos that I hope you will find valuable including my thoughts on Blackmagic Raw and a spotlight featuring one of this channel subscriber's short films.
Thanks again!
But where do you put that harddrive while you are filming?? In your hand?
Attach with hard ware to a cage or a little thing you can screw on top or uh, gaff tape it? ;)
Damn it you had no links to buy anything!!!!
Sorry I do not have any affiliations :(
so you can record straight onto the Samsung SSD?(even raw?) you dont need to record it onto the SD then store it onto the SSD?
According to BMD, yes. If you check the website, it states that raw can be directly recorded to the SSD via USB-C.
@@TonyDae awesome. Thank you so much for this video. It's really important.
I wouldn't get less than a 2 TB external SSD, which is the biggest Samsung T5 at the moment. I do not see a mount kit for the T5 that does not require a cage yet
I am getting 2 500gb drives and that will be just fine. Tape it to the body, done.
Got my camera in yesterday. 500gb is enough for well over an hour of 4:1 Raw and about 2 hours or so in prores 422 standard. 4:1 raw looks great and so does prores standard so in my opinion, unless you for some reason need to shoot for over an hour straight in raw, I don't really see the need to have more than 500gb storage. having at least 2 storage devices is necessary just in case one dies on you, but in reality, I think for most purposes you will be just fine with a 500gig drive. I almost never shoot more than an hour in any project unless it is a live event, and even then, I would likely be shooting in prores LT, which gives about 3 hours of recording time. This is based on 24 fps though, so maybe if you are always shooting in 60p or 30p, maybe you will need more. I won't.
I just ran a test right now while working for you. 60fps 3:1 raw fills up the SSD no problem. If you are looking for like 2:1 or uncompressed 60p, I just wouldn't understand the point and as far as I know there is not a media recording device that can do that (uncompressed 60p raw). I think you will have more than enough IQ at 4:1 or 3:1. I personally do not plan on ever shooting above 3:1 in CDNG.
Great to have a factual and well thought out video, there is so much other crap out there and refreshing to discover a great presentation.
This video is absolutely perfect. Informative, your voice is soothing and you touched everything needed. Sub earned!!!!
Great video, thank you for the upload.
Very informative video. I pre-ordered mine early. Can't wait. You're really good. I hope to see more videos from you in the future.
Hey Kuunami,
Thank you for the kind words! I pre-ordered mine the minute I saw them at NAB. I'd been waiting for a 4k version of the original pocket for years!
I will be doing more videos when I can and will be trying to center my thoughts around teaching theory and video production management more than gear related videos. In my experience, the management side has been the most important part of production.
I hope that you subscribe and stick around for those as much as any gear vids I make since I think those are most useful in real life. It's far more expensive to buy success than to earn it I say.
I will be doing an asset management video in the near future which is not as flashy as talking about new toys, but far more useful.
Very informative! I'm thinking about getting this camera because I've had footage shot on a BMPCC before, and liked it, but wanted less of a crop factor and a brighter screen. 4K isn't a big seller for me, but great to have that available if I want it. For less than US$1500, is there anything comparable in image quality for shooting 1080-1440p cinema?
Hi Miles... I ended up writing a book so uh, excuse me...
If I were to give advice on this, and anybody else is welcome to chime in with some cents as well since I am sure there are tons of different choices I am just not thinking about or tried or just don;t like but others do...
I would say that you could be looking at something like a 5dii or iii with magic lantern or the original black magic pocket. I can't think of anything that can provide what those things can at those prices and I have had experience with them enough to know they give excellent results, assuming you are being sure to light the scene properly, and both mounts can support EF glass, which is plentiful on the used market.
Low light is not a friend to any of those cameras if you were to compare to more modern cameras like a sony a7si/ii, however the Sony's do not provide raw or 10 bit recording. It is a pick your poison kind of situation there. Some people are okay with the 8 bit logs in the Sony's but frankly, I am not a big fan of it when compared to 10bit log or raw. I am sure I'll get flack for having an opinion on that but, those are rules of the game apparently... Dislike a thing about a thing and you're sure to get hate mail.
The cameras I mentioned can all shoot raw in HD and are still capable of very good IQ while being relatively inexpensive. The only caveat is that I honestly hate focusing in full frame and if you're like me, you'll hate using the Canons even though they look good.
What you can do for the BMPCC original (I guess we can call it the BMPCC O.G.) is get a focal reducer and use some APSC or FF glass, but those focal reducers can be quite a bit of money (compared to the price of the camera), and on super 16, I'm not sure you will get enough of a reduction in the focal length to make it worth your while. I can speak highly of metabones, but not for Mitakons. My mitakon is TRASH. I will likely do a video on why I hate it.
My assumption though is that this 4k version of the pocket camera will be just unbeatable in regards to IQ at that price by any brand. I assume it will be as good IQ as the BMPCC O.G. with better low light IQ due to the dual native ISO sensor and at 4K resolution. That's all I am hoping for to be honest.
IF that's true (and nobody has yet to see any footage so only BMD knows if it is any good or not) it offers options and image quality that cameras 5 or 6 times the price don't offer, which is why I'd say I cannot recommend any of the 5d's or the original pocket over this one for the money.
I would say, if you HAVE to BUY something now, a used BMPCC O.G. or 5dii/iii would be the best bet... but always try before you buy! Don't take my word or anybody else's word for it and waste your hard earned cash. Some cameras are just not for you and you'll hate them, others you'll be so happy with you won't care that they're annoying. Man the BMPCC O.G. community is polarizing. Some people absolutely hate it, others love it so much they take it with them everywhere they go and shoot little movies all over the place.
But, if you DON'T have a reason to buy, just rent some awesome stuff for a fraction of the price and go shoot some really great footage instead. Better to do that than spend a couple K on something you don't really want, know what I mean?
Hi Tony, thanks for the feedback! Had not considered the 5dii, will keep an eye out. My fiancee has a 6D (that I'm not allowed to touch), so Canon glass is easy for me to access, along with batteries.
I've considered the BMPCC w/ a metabones. My DP shot with one, and it turned out pretty well. It was part of what turned me on to BlackMagic. However, shooting outside in sunlight with its dim screen was a huge pain, and I didn't like the IO or the sensor size. Hence why the 4K version has hooked me :p
Thank you for your tips, will keep an eye out :D and also thanks for the video, just one more reason to get an external Thunderbolt 3 SSD :D
As a PS, your summary was on point. Will only consider 5dii if it's better value :)
Glad I could be of help! Good luck to you!
Great video!! Would recommend watching at 1.5x
I would assume you know better than I, but wouldn't the SSD data transfer over a cable be significantly slower than a cfast? Usually usb data transfers are far slower than the drives are even capable of.
USB c 3.1 is rated in Gbps. Just look up the difference between each generation of USB. These aren't the USB 1s or 2s my dude. The USB device used for this thing is blistering fast and should allow much longer recording of raw data than cfast cards. Personally I still like cfast because you don't have an SSD hanging on your rig, but still, SSD will likely be what I use anyways for raw because the dollar/gig is much friendlier than cfast cards.
Thanks. That was helpful! Still shopping for a few things before I receive the camera!
Great explanation! I have had to explain similar details to novice computer gamers when building rigs. In addition, many photographers who port over to video have a similar difficulty when it comes to read and write speeds.
I am definitely looking forward to getting this camera. Nice informative video.
Hey. I'm new to videography but I do plan to purchase this camera. This has been very informative. Thanks for the assistance.
You are who I made this video for. I am very happy that you were about to take advantage of it! Let me know if you have any questions!
so is there a reason to ever use cards and not an SSD?
If you want it to be as small a package as possible for gimbal work or running this thing around with as little weight as possible, for sure. I can imagine that if you don't need a lot of recording time in one go, cinema use for example, you wouldn't need to use an SSD exactly since its pretty easy to swap cards out. Pros and cons to both I'd say. I do think that cfast cards need to come down in price though.
Great video... from One perspective cameras are developing faster than the cards ... SD cards are sold to be used in cameras... when a New camera comes out... and Its better than cameras before it... then the demands for faster cards comes One second later... Its the hen and the egg thing... again Great video.... Youre really good at explaining stuff. Nice and Calm. Love it.
Hi Malik Thomas,
Thank you for the comment! And I agree with you completely... accessories just don't come in time for showtime of the real product... but I guess that's one of the downfalls of being an early adopter? I dunno.
I have been absolutely HOUNDING BMD to give me the details on some really important things with this camera. I have a video I am holding off on regarding battery options and how to pretty accurately calculate how much juice you''ll get per charge but they cannot tell me specifically if the two pin connect for AC power is a LEMO or not! UHG!
I will probably give up hope and release the video anyways assuming that AT SOME POINT somebody will create the proper adapter unit for this camera so I can use my L mount or V mount batteries with this thing.
Thank you for the comment, means a lot to me!
Very nice and helpful full video. Great job dear...
I'll be picking up a couple Samsung 1TB T5's eventually. So far, I've been able to shoot all BMPCC4K compressions on a 64GB SanDisk 64GB Extreme Pro SD Card (v90, UHS-II, 300mb/s). For a short film I'm writing and shooting, I shot all of my green screen shots at the 3:1 setting with no issues at all. Some people in a BMPCC4K user group on Facebook are saying things like, "You have to shoot on CFast". My experience proves that's not the case. Anyway, thanks for your content. Keep the BMPCC4K stuff coming. Love it.
(( EDIT: Oh, and I am loving BRAW. I can't see shooting in anything else given the power it provides. ))
Moving into 30-60 fps range you will risk dropped frames at 3:1 on the v90. Most Cfast will guarantee no dropped frames at most compression rates and frame rates, which is probably why some people are advocating Cfast. I shoot most of my work between 30 and 60 fps and 5:1 - 12:1, so v90 is too much of a risk for me. If you stay at 24 fps and you are shooting shorter clips you might be OK with the v90.
Thanks dude! That was helpful. I'm really considering getting this camera .
Hey Gil,
No problem at all, glad to help. I am very much looking forward to seeing what people can make with such a tool at the price point.
Massive help thank you. Shooting a feature doc possibly on this camera. I knew asset storage would be a problem but not this big of a problem.
Thanks Tony. This was a real eye opener. The cost of cards is way too high for the amateurs among us. The SSD card seems to be the answer. I am still waiting for this camera to become available in Australian camera shops.
you can use 2x 128gb c-fast and just swap between full one and empty one while the other card offloads off to an ssd with a laptop or mini box (that fits in your camera bag)
Absolutely, this is how I have run a lot of productions. Even if you only get about 5-10 minutes per card, it is really easy to swap out and takes next to zero time as long as the card slots are accessible. Back in the day I was swapping film in dark bags, so swapping cards or batteries is like a dream come true.
Long but worth it... This is why except for special effects, ProRes 422 is what I go for, maybe HQ sometimes.
Great info. I’m planning to purchase two or three of these for student use at the university. You broke down the data info brilliantly. To keep it idiot proof as possible, I’ll be purchasing the T5’s with them. Thanks.
Hi James,
I will be releasing a video soon (hopefully tomorrow if I get around to it) talking about battery options and teach you to figure out how to calculate how much juice any possible substitute battery (v mounts, L mounts, whatever) should have in it by hours relative to BMD's LP-e6 battery. Be sure to check that out as well as I think it may help you and your students deal with this power hungry beast. However, if it is for student films, a boat load of LP-E6's might be OK. When I was shooting in school I had to load/unload 16mm film... way less fun than popping batteries in and out every 45 minutes.
Tony Dae i'm very thankful of your Video this is my first time to watch like this now i understand. planning to buy BMPCC.
The extreme pro SanDisk card has worked fine for me on the gh5 even when I do use the all intra, but I rarely use the all intra. I typically use the 150mb/sec 10 bit 4k. You say it "ain't going to cut it", but I have yet to have a card stop for me because of card speed. I shoot almost everyday with it, and sometimes do full 12hr shoots. Maybe use the camera before giving advice.
You are not using the 400mbps codec I'm plainly talking about, you are shooting under 30MBps. If you are shooting a u3, it's a v30. I am clearly talking about shooting 50MBps and I am one hundred percent correct here. If you care about consistency and being sure your high data rate video makes it to the card, you are best off using gear that guarantees success instead of making a gamble. Just because you shoot under 30MBps and it works doesn't mean shooting higher data rates on the same slow card will work. You have to understand the context of what I'm saying before trying to argue.
Also, 10 bit at 150mbps is not going to give you enough information to really have ten bit distinguishable from the 8 bit codec. Do your own test between 10 bit 400mbps, 10 bit 150mbps, and 100mbps 8 bit. The difference should be obvious and is huge between the 400 and 150, and negligible between 8 bit and 150mbps 10 bit.
Honestly you can do whatever you want with your work, it's no skin off my back. If you are comfortable gambling with cards too slow to guarantee the footage makes it to the card every time, then go for it. Data is just numbers and you can't really argue with math. It's simple. The card can either guarantee video makes it or doesn't. I didn't make the rules or publish SD card speeds
@@TonyDae I'm not saying you math is wrong. You do need a faster card to shoot 400 mb/sec. The cards you mentioned will only shoot 10-15 seconds before ending the clip. When I first bought the camera I bought uhs2 cards thinking I needed them just to shoot the 150mb/sec, so I wish I knew what you shared in this video then. Have you done a side by side with the 400 vs the frame sampling 150? I thought all-i was going to be such a big difference, but after several tests found that all-i only made a difference in rare cases and is not worth only getting 24 min out of 128gb cards, especially when I have to manage multi cam shoots alone.
@@jacobjewett5575 if you shoot log you will see a big difference between 400Mbps and 150, biggest differences for me are speed and integrity of the file. The 150 looks and grades near identical to 8 bit unless there's been magic done in latest firmware, which I doubt, and you're shooting log which indeed can provide some benefit if you're shooting flat. I personally wouldn't shoot flat with either. The compression is so high on 150mbps 4k that I find it not worth the effort. If you don't shoot log and legitimately don't see any benefit for your work to the 400 alli codec, which I would find interesting, then there is obviously no reason to increase the data rate. I can tell you from not only my experience but others in the field that the difference between 400 and 150 in ten bit is large and 150 to 100 8 bit to be negligible at best, assuming you are using the codecs to their strengths. But again if you see no benefit for your work personally, then obviously you shouldn't do anything differently just because some idiot on TH-cam says something contrary to what you know works for you.
Running multiple cameras solo sucks hard core dude, so good luck to you on that. I think you represent the newest age of video makers that have many quaking because doing that ten years ago wasn't a thought in anybody's head really. I imagine wireless monitors via phone and tablet help tremendously with that kind of job.
Again, the context of what I'm saying regarding the v30 cards not cutting it is specifically in regards to the 400mbps codec, not 150, in effort to give a benchmark that can be related to what you'll see in the bmpcc4k codecs.
So I wanna buy an SSD as its just way cheaper. How much footage can I shoot on a 500GB ssd in 4k / 24 fps. and 4k / 60fps ? Because I'm not sure if I wanna get the 1TB or the 500GB Samsung T5 SSD. Does anyone know?
I am pretty sure that if you were to go onto BMD website and look at the data rates for each compression, then compare to the storage you are looking at, you could figure this out on your own.
Great info and presentation. Thank you!
Tony I had no idea how much data transfer was involved, I understand why so many people like the GH-5
i dont get it.. why you often said about GH 5.. but this topic ias about BMPCC memory card.. is it too long explanation.. sorry to say
Because it is/was one of the most popular cameras at the time for the same market.
thank you for the video, very helpful
Thank you so much for this video! I’m leaving this comment now because I don’t have the time to watch the rest but is it safe to assume the SanDisk UHS II 300 MB/s can record 4k RAW 24 fps and the requirement for 4k RAW 60 FPS and 1080p 120 FPS would be a cfast 2.0 card? That sound about right? Thank you in advance! Subbed and liked!
Hi KikinProductions
I would recommend always looking at the minimum write speed on a card when looking to shoot video with it. If the card is not rated to at least sustain what you are doing, then I do not think it is a good buy for your video recording.
The Sandisk in question is highly unlikely to be able to consistently record 4k video above 30MBps because it has a minimum write speed of 30MBps. Because of this, there is no way I would trust the card to write raw 4K of any variety, and I would only trust it to record prores proxy.
For 4K raw, I recommend looking at CFAST cards that have a 130MBPS minimum write speed for 4K raw or SSD's that can sustain the writing speed you require. My opinion, and the opinion of many others, is that SSD would be the safest and cheapest bet, though more cumbersome than CFAST.
Tony Dae thank you so much! I seriously think you deserve some kind of composition from BMD for this. I couldn’t find these answers in B&H QA. But yeah one last thing, what cfast card would you recommend to cover every recording mode on the blackmagic pocket 4K without any issues?
@@KikinProductions I can't tell you that with any degree of certainty as BMD has not to my knowledge released a detailed list of cards that work with the camera. I would imagine that if you see storage devices in their own ads then those should work. I don't know of any cfast at the top of my head that would be trust worthy for 60fps uncompressed raw for example though since I've never ever done that and the data will be incredibly high.
Most cfast 2.0 I have used have a minimum write speed of 130MB/s which should be enough for most applications.
If you want the most flexibility in recording formats I think SSD is the safest still.
I don't see myself recording anything over 3:1 raw and will be shooting mostly in prores flavors myself. I will be recording mostly to SSD since I do a lot of interviews and longer single take recordings.
Thanks for the compliments! I currently receive zero compensation for any of the YT content I've made since I don't have any affiliations and don't want ads on my videos. I may do some kind of patreon later but I'm not sure.
If BMD wants to give me some money I surely wouldn't fight against it!
Excellent video!
There are enclosures that can house m.2 SSD's with a USB-C output. if you get something like the Samsung 860 EVO 1TB mSATA (A small form factor m.2) and a small enclosure, you're looking at sequential write speeds up to 520 MB/s and sequential read speeds up to 550 MB/s in something not much bigger than a C-FAST card for around $270 US (THATS 1TB OF RAW RECORDING). Should be good for around an hour of recording hopefully! basically just a Samsung T5 that's smaller and cheaper lol.
Really nice video! Don't know if you've seen it but they have updated the Blackmagic site. Not the highest MB/s is 135 - still a lot more than Sony footage though. Thank you for the video!!
Yeah its a little less now with BRAW, however the same principles apply.
When I saw the data rates it was clear that only a USB SSD would do.
Great vid, good stuff.
Thanks a lot for this nice Information Video!
I use a ADATA UHS-II v90 128GB SDXC Card and I can shoot 30 minutes of 24fps 3:1 raw. Pretty perfect for my gimbal shots.
Thank you very very much for this video.... cleared a lot of mystique and straight to the point of reality
Great video! Very informative.
After seeing this video you have another subscriber. Are you buying this camera? I look forward to your videos on the BMPCC 4K.
I pre-ordered a copy in early April and still have not received it. I had been waiting for a 4K version of the pocket since I couldn't get my hands on an original back when that one was released so I was hoping to get an early copy by pre-ordering so early on but, alas...
I have been catching up on work so hopefully I will have a little time this coming week to produce a video. Thank you for subbing!
I also had been thinking the same thing. The prices on those SSD are about extremely inflate.
i think SSD much cheaper choice between SD Card and Cfast card, SSD has much larger storage and fast too. The Samsung T5 has 2TB storage which mean best for shooting CinemaDNG RAW for long time. But i think the usb c port must have some protection. For run and gun situation a think cfast is good choice beetwen ssd because the data protection much better than ssd.
I totally agree! Can't wait for some brilliant inventor to make some kind of holster to secure SSD's. They'll make a killing.
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@@maxjohnsson87 excellent! Now just to get that 3d printer...
try this one www.3dhubs.com/
No need to!!! Go check out the Rycote Wireless receiver mount. That's what I have ready for my BMPCC4K and T5... check it here - instagram.com/p/BmQBBiYh9ZW/?taken-by=richardgreenfilms
Plot twist at the end of the video... Nice!!!
I like this channel. subbed.
Wow, so I’m going to spend more on C-Fast cards than the camera itself!
get an ssd instead
The background music reminds me of a Sade song.
And your profile pic reminds me of Shang Tsung!
:)
Great info, thanks!
Sounds like it would be hard to shoot 8 hours a day with this cam
The SSD capability is why I'm going for this over GH5S or anything similar. I plan on getting a USB-C 3.1 cable and a corresponding USB dock that fits a 1/2TB SSD, and just edit straight off those, not even putting RAW/ProRes on my computer (no way am I archiving RAW at those data rates). Just grade and render straight into a usable file. Bring on massively cheap SSD's!
i don’t understand how do you know you need v30 v60 v90...
Hi Bastienrichel,
the V rating basically means it is the minimum write speed of that card. This means that the card will ALWAYS be able to sustain a write speed of its V rating, theoretically. The V rating is given in MBps... Megabytes per second.
If you are shooting something at 30MBps or lower, then a V30 card should work fine, because the minimum write speed equals or surpasses the data you are shooting.
If you are writing something at 50MBps (the GH5 example) on a V30, the writing speed may drop below 50MBps during shooting, meaning that you may have dropped frames or a lockup or some other thing. You will need a card with a V60 to ensure that the write speed will sustain properly for the entire clip.
*My rule is to always use a card with a V rating that is higher than what you want to write. This ensures that, according to the SD org and my own experience, you should never have a lockup or dropped frames, unless the card is of course faulty.*
You will have to do your homework and calculate how much data you need to write and be sure it is in reference to the frame rate, codec, and resolution. Prores for example increases its data rate as the frame rate increases even at the same flavor and the same resolution, so it is VERY important that you think hard about what you will be doing and at what frame rate. Check out the Apple prores white paper for more info on that specific codec.
BMD will eventually provide a list of what stuff is going to work best (according to their research) in what data rates. I have been hounding them for some kind of paper on this for months so when I know, I will likely post a video about it.
Does this help?
VERY INFORMATIVE!
I'm waiting for black magic raw for this camera. Then this camera will make much more sense vs my gh5. Right now there aren't many more benefits vs the DNxHR 4k 10bit 422 60p out of the GH5(s). Black magic raw means these same file sizes I'm used too but in raw, then it's game over
If I had a GH5s, I would not have bought this camera at all. BRAW, is awesome. If you have not had a chance to use it in resolve, seriously check it out. It runs faster than prores on my machine and the utility is everything I want. You get gain/WB unbaked to the file, up to 12:1 compression that looks pretty good for certain things (can record on a standard UHS1 U3 card!), 12 bit color, and it runs fast! Can't wait for it to arrive on the pocket.
I think that BMD makes OK devices, (assuming you are OK beta testing some stuff...) but the Resolve software, the UI on their cameras, and this new codec are the heavy hitters. Every other company should be looking at making their UI copycats of BMD's and look into getting BRAW in their codecs.
Weee!!! You've gotta love the data! 😊 Can't wait to get my bmpcc 4k and fill my hdds getting mad! 🤪😀
Really great vídeo.
Great info!
If you friend is just shooting hd he can just use the SD card slot which is great, the usb c port is amazing
For sure!
Good info. thx a lot!
wish you were making sony videos... but this is great information for anyone shooting 4:2:2!
Darn good my friend.
just buy a CFAST2 card and don't worry. Do people shoot 4K on SD cards?
or, of course, hook a Samsung T5 SSD.
Yes you can shoot very compressed 4k on SD without a problem as long as the card can support the data rate.
very informative
Thanks man! Saved me some money. :)
If you're recording raw 4k you should expect such little card time. It's only normal, if you're not aware of that you're inexperienced or amateur. I'll be happy to shoot 1080 in most cases, my CF cards will handle it fine and I'll bring the ssd disc too.
Hi Afonso.ponto,
I agree, you should expect this if you are looking at buying anything related to data storage... and if you are a seasoned vet in video making then you will probably know this. However, because of how this camera is being marketed, it may be the case that certain inexperienced amateur movie makers will not understand how little a seemingly large data capacity card can hold in relation to minutes and seconds of footage.
You might be surprised at how many people really believe that the 4K footage from a Sony FF stills camera is comparable to the data from a super 35 cine camera recording in 4K prores 422. Some just think 4k is 4k and have no idea that codecs, bit rates, bit depth, and chroma sampling are things. They just don't know... and there's no shame in that as long as they are open to learning.
Yes these are amateurs, but they are also people who want to create, and I am all for that. I have seen in the last decade some amazing stuff from people who are just beginning their careers and it is astonishing how young filmmakers, sometimes only at heart, can tell much more powerful stories than seasoned vets in Hollywood or NY. The technical areas are where they usually fall short, and that's easier to correct when compared to imagination and the art of storytelling.
In regards to HD....
The original pocket just blew me away when it was released in regards to IQ in 2K so I imagine this one will be a step up. HD is more than enough for many deliverables... especially if you are putting it on the web (youtube).
good stuff
👍👍👍👍 tanks a lot man !!!!
very cool 'rant'. yes, forget SD cards for 4K altogether. Keep a flash drive as a backup? get two or three SAMSUNGS.
With the new BRAW codecs you can shoot raw to SD cards at high compression with less issues, but I still use SSD for everything so I can flip to high speed 60p with no concerns regardless of compression rate. This is an older video where CDNG was the only raw option.
thnx this I needed to know
Great video. Now with braw, things have changed. I don't know why 50 idiots disliked this video!
I think those 50 people could be upset because I said you should shoot with an appropriate card for the ALLI codec on the GH5. Had a lot of people complain to me that long GOP is better than ALLI or they have no problem shooting the GH5 and that wasn't the point of the video at all.
With BRAW it is different only really in that the data rates are different than CDNG, but all the same rules apply I think. I still would shoot with a V rating card higher than the data rate of the codec I would be using for safety. Some people are trying to shoot 5:1 or 8:1 compression with a UHS I card and surprised to see that the card can't keep up...
Thanx you very help !!!
I’m excited to see TH-cam videos for this camera beyond the 30 second artistic handheld clips by Eastern European cctv c mount lens anonymous hacker driving Yugo’s uploads for the 1st pocket we currently only have 🤘🤘🤘
You didn't mention that SSDs have much faster write and read speeds than HDDs so an external HDD will probably not fulfill the requirements for recording 4k video.
Some hdds are really fast, it just depends on the specs. My assumption is that people listen to my advice in which I state to get solid state drive instead of "normal" spinning drives for other reasons. Speed could be good enough in a normal drive or not, each drive is different.
By the way, I'm not arguing that SSD's aren't generally faster, I think they're better in just about every way including how fast they are. Technically an hdd can store raw in 3:1, 4:1 or uncompressed if it is fast enough for what you're doing. I just didn't really go into it, it all depends on what you're doing.
If you're running prores standard at 30p for a live event and just need hours of that content, I would imagine an hdd could work just fine.
Okay, I see your point. And I agree a main reason an SSD is better is because it has no moving parts so it is more durable. When the drive is spun up, an HDD is vulnerable to damage if it is moved/bumped and the read head smashes into the plate. Attaching spinning discs to a moving camera and expecting nothing to get broken is on the dangerous side of wishful thinking eh?
@@nathanksimpson exactly!
not arguing but my card works no issue gh5 and my gh5s at uhd and full 4k
Hey there, took a while to get to this. You are probably not shooting all intra 400mbps as I stated in the video. This codec was being used as an example to get people to understand the data rates in a way that isn't too heady. If you are shooting under 30MBps then naturally you will have no problem with a standard u3
i shoot 150 mbps in ultra hd you have no choice but I also shoot 400mbps and i honestly have no issue . maybe its the card no clue or maybe color profiles that collect more data like log is the reason why it wouldn't work but i shoot cine like
@@CodakChris if you're shooting all intra and long periods of time with a u3 uhsi and a minimum 30MB rating you my friend have what's called a unicorn.
Thanks!
Actually the GH5 and 5S will only do the 400 mb/s using a UHS II card not the UHS I card even if it could be a V60 or greater card. They will not record that codec onto a UHS I ...Ironically the cards that work very well on the Panasonic GH5 for the 400 mb/s are the SONY SD UHS II cards. The M cards or cheaper ones... pretty sure those are not even V rated but I do know they work. FYI .. I have been told by a local video supplier that the V rating are entirely self regulated ... there is no real certification. My understanding is that many users of this BM camera and others are going to be using the SSD solution from BM.. I guess not that portable any more but cheaper I guess.
Hi Michael B,
I provided a link to the SD card people's explanation of the V rating. It is supposed to be a standard from the SD card organization as far as I know it is regulated.
I am using the GH5 bit rate as an example irrespective of the software allowing it to write to an SDI or SDII. I also allude to using an SD card for raw stating even if a device was enabled to write to the card, it wouldn't likely be able to due to the speed of the card itself.
I think most people will definitely be writing to an SSD for sure. It is a great feature of this particular camera and I am hoping more manufacturers design video cameras in this way.
Oh for sure it is a class standard BUT all I can tell you is that when my local supplier had the big name card reps come in... they told him that it is not a independent board certification but I guess you could say the honour system. But of course I wasn't there and cannot verify.
I do wish BM sold that SSD Ursa Mini recorder as a separate unit to see if it would work with other cameras. I think it is just an optional add on.
As you mention, the top DNG options are not recordable onto CFAST 2 even the Sandisk Extreme at V130 . Would most people use those dense files ??? Doubt it..... I guess for film work? I agree with you the LT and 422 are quite sufficient. How does ProRes Raw fit into BM new cameras
I can see what you mean. If that were true it would also mean that the other ratings shown on a card would also be on the honor system. I haven't looked so far into that one, but it would be worrying if there were data companies not being honest about their ratings. I think that as long as you are buying from a trusted brand and source, you should not have issues with this. Considering how bad reviews of products spread like wildfire over social media nowadays, I would imagine that any major storage company trying to bum their customers would be found out in a heartbeat.
Would most people use uncompressed raw? I don't think so, but I specifically mention IQ snobs wanting to shoot at the very top of the DNG options. These are the types that will take different raw options and zoom in at 400 or 500 percent and point out that there are slight differences in quality, and therefore claim you are a fool to sacrifice image quality because you are "being cheap" recording compressed raw for some kind of small time video production. I know it sounds crazy, but it happens more often than you'd think. Some people can't let anything go.
I am told consistently by social media peeps that I'm joker for sacrificing IQ when shooting Prores LT for projects not paying for better IQ because prores HQ and raw is so obviously better. Well, if it was so obviously better and it mattered, I am sure the people paying me would say something right? Well, they don't. So I'm the winner.
I would imagine most people will be shooting raw in 3:1 or 4:1 and Prores standard and LT. I think I also point out that most people will be living in these two zones since they make the most sense in regards to the quality you get for the storage cost.
From what I have read and seen from BMD, they are hesitant to put prores raw in due to color science concerns and other such technical reasons. It may be possible that apple worked a deal with certain companies and are protecting proresraw from others, but I don't really know. You would have to ask BMD on this one, but honestly, I think I will be OK with any of the prores and DNG options provided.
The fact you can get that in a camera thats costing 1300 dollars is unbelievable to me.
Don't know about the other U ratings etc ... but this new V rating seems to have caused a bit of a buzz. It is a non issue for me because I never enter the realm of crazy data rates. I think you're gonna need some serious peeping to see much difference from LT to 422 or HQ... It is the law of diminishing returns. Maybe try a green screen test and see if you get more blocking on the LT vs HQ. Dunno. ProRes was introduced quite some time ago to be implemented into the then FCP editor which required all footage to be QT based. But it turned out to be a darned good codec and it certainly makes post alot easier than dealing with higher compression formats. It just takes alot of the heavy lifting out of the equation.
As for the honour system... someone will do some testing I am sure to keep them honest.
But you hit the nail on the head.... to get all that in a camera under 1500 is pretty crazy. If you ever met Grant, he has been preaching the mantra of putting tools in the hands of those people who use it at a reasonable price for eons. I've been using BMD stuff since they first put out the Decklink SP card....not even sure when.
It is worth buying this camera but I always like the second generation of stuff just to let them work out all the bugs. Maybe third gen.??
@@puddytat62 I'm not sure who Grant is but I think along those lines too. I am a pretty big proponent of open source programs like inkscape, GIMP, and blender, which is probably what drew me to BMD in the first place. Resolve has completely changed my workflow for the better and I am very close to moving over to resolve for everything. I edit certain projects completely in resolve and I am sure that I will move completely over in all aspects once I have the full version.
I think that BMD is indeed very ambitious in trying to get good iq to the masses for cheap. Sometimes I think they could have done a better job, other times they hit it out of the park. I would think of the original pocket as the first version of this camera honestly and if it's the same thing only in 4k with upgraded OS and better iso performance, I honestly think I can live with that.