No Eggman is not better having to repair a turret to just get it destroyed in a instant is pretty bad and his old ability "Shock" Allows Him To Help His Teammates and protect himself
@@TaiIs_fan17 thats their point, a distarctor which can be destroyed, the exe will get a punishment even if he destroy it Also, if the user puts the turrets near ledges, the exe has high chances to fall if he is not careful And shock yea, was good to save and defend yourself, however, was braindead and pretty boring, and hard to balance And turrets helps more without risking yourself much, and yea, I agree that Eggman sucks alone, but if I had survived alone as him, why the rest can? People just need to get used to his new playstyle, and understand how to use him properly
They should add a buff to the turrets like Eggman can switch what will they do since his a mechanic I like the jet pack but the turrets just need to get buff@@MAU97222
Rouge is honestly a very situational character. If you are facing small Sonic, use her. If it’s a foggy map like … or Hill she can be a great help for ranged stunners to hit their shots. Other than that she dosen’t have a lot of defense. 1.1 Rouge was even worse, yes, however she’s still only B+ tier in my opinion. She’s incredibly situational, and is better swapped out for a reliable stunner like Amy or Knuckles.
i agree with you on eggman, his turrets need a bit of a buff atm tho, jetpack should get a charge up buff aswell, only a tiny one, but rather than that i agree!
It’s a pretty solid list, but here are some things I would change: Cream: her overheal is a higher risk higher reward shield, and speedboost gets more hate than it should due to how predictable charge is and how delayed spin dash is. A tier feels much more fitting for someone who can let metal Sonic just bully Sonic for free. Sally: shield is definitely solid and so I emp, but I wouldn’t say she is S tier. Solid A tier, but definitely is being a bit overrated here. Other than that, I’m glad someone on TH-cam actually understands eggman is good lol. Epic video
@@DetectiveDar I just see Tails a bit better than Cream, and she is vulnerable, but I guess you are right Maybe I overrate Sally a bit there, I through she didn't got any changes in the full 1.2 update. True, Eggman is very underrated. Btw, Im glad that you enjoyed the video, its the hardest I ever made lol
i think S tier fits perfectly for Sally. She is useful both as a team support and solo character. And she isn't used a whole Lot,So It's pretty easy to main her. And her play style is not hard to master either. She is pretty much a perfect character If you think about it
@@rodrigomusicman1871 I feel her support role is more easily challenged now by other characters, and personally I feel cream does better at support than her, but she is definitely well rounded
As a Tails main I say that he did not need any changes, he was peak on the prototype but now with his slow guide speed and cannon delay he got ruined.(especially knowing that it was already hard to hit the cannon, now its even harder) But hey atleast the shot stun time is the same as knuckles punch... Uhm still kinda meh
Yes! A guy who understands the true power of the Eggman and doesn't whine that he's defenceless! As a Eggmain, He can be the most annoying character if played right
Still the worst character, turrets are EXTREMELY vulnerable and get destroyed easily, shock was bith a shield and a stun and was somewhat more useful then the turrets that even minions can destroy easily
@@CorvusTheMonke Turrets are mean to be a distractor/debuff not a self-defense tool And minions need 3 hits, which is enough for Eggman to escape You just need to be strategic, and put turrets near ledge, and on top of destroyed turrets so minions cant reach them without jumping And the springs will be your best friends for charge jetpack
@@MAU97222 Jetpack gets countered by ladders and springs, Turrets need to be set up in the first place. Exe decides to go for Eggman early? no time to spread turrets. Exe decides to focus on other players? Minions will start appearing and disturb Eggmantrying to set turrrets. Also 3 hits is extremely short for minions
@@CorvusTheMonke Depends on the place you use it There is time actually, I have put 2 turrets when Im the first one 3 hits are enough, they have a long attack cooldown, you can easily escape via jetpack when they are distracted
Imma be real with you, this tier list would be different for me. First off, i'd say Tails is a solid B-to-A tier character. Have you ever gone up against a Tails main with at least one functioning braincell? They will absolutely annoy you. Plus, look at Tails and Creams' height compared to other survivors. Being smaller, they are a pain to hit. Plus, glide having extra stamina allows them to trick an exe who thought they were an easy kill. Delay on the arm cannon does suck, but you do gain a smaller cooldown, and can predict the exe and even bait a kolossus block (speaking from experience on both sides of it). Overall, Tails is mean and can be a pain to hit sometimes. I can agree with the Knuckles rating. He is a nightmare when played right. Amy is a solid A for me. I see people complaining about Hammer Bounce being replaced with Hammer Spin and say how it's so baitable. However, Amy is a trickier Knuckles. Knuckles is simply a Brawler with low cooldowns and ie always in the exes face. Amy is not only a brawler, but a brawler that can fool and easily take care of an exe. Hammer Spin is unblockable and can multi stun, making her even more annoying. Also, Hammer attack has such a big range, it is near impossible to escape when too close to her. The windup is just long enough for me to predict and fast enough to punish. Hamer throw is whatever. I refuse to elaborate. Eggman... imma be real with you, easy C to very, VERY low B. Let's face it, he isn't that good. Yes, the turrets slow, yes his jetpacks goes far, but think about the time it takes for your jetpack to charge up high enough to get that far, and think about how vulnerable you are when using your turrets. In fact, the turrets are mostly a pain to Kolossus, as small exe has the speed to just ignore them. On top of that, it takes one minion to destroy the turrets. Add on his taller hitbox, and you have a survivor who isn't all that useful. Besides, the people struggling against Eggman tend to ignore him and other supports. If you literally just run past the stunners, it won't take long to kill a support, especially Eggman, who has to rely on his turrets and an okay jetpack. It becomes even harder when the exe gets you to accidentally jump when you didn't need to. See, when Eggman had shock, it made his big hitbox good because it was hard to avoid, and it countered the small exe, who is far stronger than many give credit for. But, it came at the cost of being blockable, and you had to be close to the exes. At least it got the exe away from your teammates or would trick them into running into another stunner. I used to main Eggman, so i've personally been annoyed with the removal of shock. (I realized i put Amy in the wrong spot, whoopsies.) Cream is honestly a good A tier character. Her overheal can give massive amounts of hp, allowing survivors to tank more hits and even messes with big exes grab as it keeps giving the survivor hp while he does his best to choke them out. It's like Sally's shield, but it doesn't give a speed boost and forces Cream to stand still. Speed boost is easily one of the best mobility as both exes have to use their mobility, charge, and spin dash to keep up with you. Add on Creams' tiny hitbox, and you have an annoying support who just lacks any form of defense, though your team will (or should) most likely automatically want to protect you, especially Knuckles. Overall, solid support and hard to hit. Sally is easily an S tier. Why? Because she is one of a few characters who can solo the best. She has a shield that acts as a get out of jail free card she can share with teammates, and an emp that majroly slows ths exe while majorly increasing your speed, the only flaws being it doesn't have i-frames, has short range, and requires solid timing. Sally is simple, but she is scarily effective. However, most Sally players are immediately attacked and killed (speaking from experience) before they can do anything, hence why not a lot of people play her. Shadow is either a high A tier or low S tier. Of every character, i've had the most solo runs with Shadow (most failed, admittedly). When playing Shadow, one has to really learn how his moveset works, or else they'll die fast, because his stuns don't last long, but also serve as good mobility. His 'homing' strike may not lock onto and chase down the exe anymore, but it still is unblockable, and missing just gives you some good distance. Plus, you hover while using it, so you can trick an exe by using it over a ledge and going towards another spot on the ledge. Just remember, the stun isn't long, and doesn't knock back the exe much. As for Boost, it's a good mobility that does what Eggman's jetpack used to do, hover you up and forwards. It can be used mid-air, making it a solid mobility and stomping is a good way to save teammates since it's also unblockable. Overall, Shadow is a solid character who does take learning. As for Rouge... we don't speak of her... Metal Sonic, i can agree with. A solid Metal Sonic player can guarantee a victory. In fact, i've seen most won matches having a metal sonic because of his tankiness and his ability to annoy the exe. I just wish he couldn't be grabbed... Silver is a solid B for me. Yeah, Silver is well-rounded, but he falls flat for me. His orb shot is blockable, giving the exe a free stun to block... so long as they remembered you. Speed boost eas better than what i last thought as it goves you enough speed to punish an exe who misses their attack. Barrier is his worst love to me, and it's still useful, as it blocks an exes path. But, the ladders and simply jumping around the barrier can bypass it completely. Useful, but he can be a gamble at times. And oh, poor Blaze. I rank her in C because her stuns aren't that good. On paper, she should be the biggest annoyance after Metal Sonic, since she has a fast unblockable stun, and a shorter range, but more effective stun. Honestly, Heatwave can be so unreliable at times, especially with its charge up. As for Fire Tornado, it's reliable, but not as good as one may think. Yes, you can hit multiple exes and not lose speed, but it doesn't stun very long, and you can be killed for the few seconds you charge it up. Plus, Exes just seem to hate Blaze and Sally, as i've seen plenty of them killing the two, even if there was a more annoying stunner out o. The loose. Is this tier list useful? No. Should you read it? Double no.
@@somenormalguylol Eggman, I have main him when I was new in TD, specifically during the experimental version, and was the second character that I try in the game And even after his rework, I still a Eggman main, and now I like to use him even more, so yea, I will be an Eggman main forever (Btw if you have curiosity of who was the first character that I try, well, that was shadow)
Tails, I spent wayyy too much time playing Illari in OW2 when she released. Like, the 0.2 second delay doesn't register in my brain and I hit 70-75% of my shots... Or I miss every single one, y'know. Tails.
@@MAU97222 Thats sort of the problem. I have only found it to be annoying at best and barely an inconvenience at worst. Compared to the other support characters, he feels the least annoying to fight against.
I feel like eggman turrets should have a bit more range to make it more valuable, since I feel other survivors bring more to the match than what eggman does currently (but hey thats just my opinion :v)
Im gonna miss old Eggman, he was really good back then, he had a good stun ability and you could do some cool stuff with old Jetpack... guess i gotta adapt with this new one
Mhm, tbh when eggman had *ONLY* shock (not even jetpack) in the older versions he was one of da best characters since he was a easy to get Stun, having old lunge-hitbox and also a decent stun time so he could escape even without Jetpack
One thing you don’t bring up as much is how much stun different characters do Like even tho knuckles moves are hard to hit it does amazing stun Compared to blaze moves which do close to 0 stun It’s a pretty good balance mechanic
I honestly think eggman is a lot worse cuz he just has no way to defend himself + his hitbox and if exe decides to go for the egg the poor egg can't even run with his mobility as there is a delay his turrets get destroyed instantly by charge or get countered by a single minion and even if the turrets slow exes a little it's not significant eggman honestly is just a turret shutuper's 1.2 tier list goes in depth
1. Supports are mean to be bad in chases 2. His hitbox is not that big, is just slightly big than normal. 3. If you saw the full Eggman part, you will notice that with one single charge, Eggman will get a ton of distance, Eggman is now a strategic character, you need to use brain now, no like old Eggman, for example, use the full charge before a chase starts 4. Turrets are mean to be a distraction, so thats why they get easily destroyed 5. Ladders? Use jetpack in place where there are not ladders, cuz there are some, I have found one spot in some maps People doesn’t get the Eggman new gameplay style, he is now a support, not a stunner
@@MAU972221-egg is the only support that doesn’t have self defense 2-agree 3-kollosos and exe can literally use charge or spindash to get closer to him 4-its an distraction that will take less 1 second to destroy 5-exe has ladders almost everywhere now,it’s kinda hard to go to an actual place that he can’t reach when you are getting chased
@@Dudu-x1j 1. True, I forgot that Cream can kill the exe 2. Quack 3. Depends on the place you use it, like a place thatbI showed in the video 4. Also, depends on the place you use it, like near an ledge 5. But there is some place that Eggman can use jetpack
For tails I found the 0.2 delay to actually help him so I don’t mind it. The EGGMAN turrets are good but I preferred stun so I rather we have both. I’m not a fan of hammer spin since it feels like the hammer swing but weaker and hammer jump was way better. creams overheal is SO good. Less cooldown and more heal. It helps much more and can save people easier. No more waiting for cooldown to end for one person to tank a hit just to wait 80 seconds now you can heal them 130+ and they can tank multiple for a while. I LOVE IT. The emp for sally is really nice. I like it instead of roll. But I wish both were still in. Shadows new moveset is good I don’t have any issues with that. Knuckles shorter cooldowns make him INSANELY good. Rouge got a HUGE nerf. I remember I coukd never find rouge and it’s hard to chase her. So she went from one of the best to decent. Metal sonic is good but the explosion thing is so bad like it doesn’t even help that much… it’s just like punching the exe. Silvers moveset is amazing, easy to use and helps others. Blaze has a nice and effective moveset but it requires skil.
finally someone who put eggman in better tier istg this ppl always put eggman in low tier just bc slightly bigger hitbox and can't self defense. and ppl don't understand eggman now need more brain and iq to master him or else ur screwed and his kita fits him bc eggman iq is around 300iq which mean ofc eggman need skills to play
Tbh rouge’s slide makes you invincible (Basically but you can get hit) for 1.5 seconds every 12 seconds, tbh that’s abit above 1/10 of invincibility, Honestly it’s amazing. I do wish her slide stayed at 10 second cool-down tho
And if you saw the full video, you will see that I put Metal and Amy in a better position, however, as I say, Eggman is very good if he is used correctly, I have managed to survive alone.
@@MAU97222 i mean....... the list if about the survivors, which means we're just ignoring all the other mechanics of the game and how most of exes r.... which means, yeah that gives eggman that rank
Why you calling shadow "EMO" he is the ultimate lifeform hence immortal(but not in Sonic exe TD games 😅) he has faced alot, Sonic X Shadow Generations will explain k.
Eggman... I'm VERY mixed... Ngl, he both sucks and is good at the same time, as his Turrets are trash but also waste time, it might be confusing what I'm talking about.... But he is y'know, a very good and bad support, I don't know why, but he's just so damn mixed lmao. But one specific reason why I'm mixed, is holy moly he's so DEFENSELESS in solos, yeah, turrets can (not really) help, but dawg it's very hard to pull off, his jetpack I'm also kind of mixed on, it's... Bad... But good in a different type of situation like when afar but up close is HELLA risky... But some positive things I can say about his rework is that turrets are actually... Really fun! I've had so much fun repairing them, and so, I think that what makes his rework good, his jetpack is very good if you wanna reach the exit faster, and one more thing... TAILS CAN REPAIR THE TURRETS!!! That's all I gotta say for his rework, hot take though, he's balanced, like real balanced... Anyway it took awhile to write this lol.. Write a reply if you wanna ask more what I think about the rework... Woo!!!1!1 Oh and I forgor, his jetpack is sooo good!!
@@Mr.Koolaidlover I only agree with the fact he is defenceless. Also, you can use the springs to use a full charged jetpack without risk yourself And his turrets are just a distractor, they are very useful in the right places, specially near ledge Fun fact: Turrets can stack ontop of other turrets that got destroyed
i respect your opinions, but i wanna share my takes on some things. 1. i'd say sally is better than knuckles. while yes, knuckles is still a great survivor, sally can be a much bigger pain for the exe. her cooldowns aren't that long, and although they arent as ridiculous as they were in the 1.2 beta, they're still really short and easy to chain. and her abilities are extremely annoying and hard to get around, unlike knuckles's abilities which are both easy to dodge and easy to predict. 2. the TD community be sleeping on sensors man. knowing where exe is from anywhere on the map is very good to know, no matter what situation. plus seeing where your team is can help you out too. i don't know if rouge is better than eggman or not as of now, but i just keep seeing people saying sensors aren't that good and i cant help but wonder if they've ever actually used sensors before. 3. i personally would swap silver and blaze's placements. blaze isn't bad, just not S tier worthy imo. her only reliable-ish means of self defense can't be used while in a chase unless it's already charged up or you get some distance and exe doesn't immediately charge/teleport/spindash/just catch up by running normally, and her fire tornado can be easily countered by literally everything i just listed earlier. it's not like she's unusable or bad, but her utility is very situational and very counterable. whereas silver doesn't really have any downsides. his orb has a short stun, yes, but it's cooldown feels just as short to make up for that. and plus, it's the easiest ranged stun to land in the game. his speed radius can be pretty helpful for teammates and silver, and although it's not game-changing it could really help out, even if by a little bit. and the barrier, while not the best, can be really annoying if used correctly. he can block off pathways or springs, completely block hits and sometimes even completely stop exe in his tracks for a couple seconds if timed right, and is pretty good to run back and forth with, since silver can run through it but exe cannot. and that's it. hopefully this isnt too long of a comment but if it is i'll just summarize without explainations: put sally over knuckles sensors are better than people give them credit for swap silver and blaze
@Skully399-z6e he does, but his abilities are worse than hers. in fact, his cooldowns being so short is the only reason knuckles is as good as he is, unlike sally who has broken abilities with short cooldowns
1. Yea, Sally is better than knuckles in some aspects. However, Knuckles has more shorter cooldowns than Sally, and yea, he is predictable and all, but an skilled knuckles can deal with that (And I struggle more with knuckles mains than with Sally mains lol) 2. Im agree with you, Sensors are pretty useful is every situation, specially against Sonic.exe and in KAF. And yes, Eggman is a way better than Rouge 3. I see Blaze a bit better than Silver, like yea, Silver is easy to use and all, but his moves are pretty weak compared to Blaze And you got a point, heatwave cant be used during a chase, however, Blaze can just use Fire tornado to make distance and then use heatwave. Talking about heatwave, the ability can also be used for an speed boost and before its ends, stun the exe! And don’t worry how long the comment is, I like to read them lol
eh, I'd put Eggman in c-, he's useful for slowing down exe for better dodges, but due to him being way more vulnerable than other characters, he's kinda screwed if he's alone and turrets are far away
1. Camera, light and action (Sonic mania) 2. I dont remember the name, but it comes from Kirby returns to dreamland 3. Final Boss (Sonic 3) 4. WYST chase theme (Pillar chase 2) 5. Jonh chase theme extended (Made by @RetroFNN) 6. Sky battery zone (Sonic 3 & Knuckles) 7. Doomsday zone (Sonic 3 & Knuckles) 8. Ice cap zone (Sonic 3 & Knuckles) 9. Ruins (Undertale) 10. I dont remember the name, but it come from Sonic Rush, specifically, Blaze bossfight 11. “Uwa! So holiday.” (Undertale)
Ngl, But I respect your own opinion, but imo 1. Rouge is an S tier for me, Why? her remote trap is literally so annoying, it can be baitable or not, her slide is good for solo terms, and sensors too. With Evasion gone, she’s now pretty useful. Flashbang literally blinds the exe, for like 4 to 5 secs. In Team terms, she’s honestly super great. 2. Eggman, for me.. is a C or D tier... he’s kinda weak now, and very very vulnerable. His hitbox became slightly bigger than its normal hitbox, and for his turrets, it just makes the exe slow down, and exes can avoid it easily just by attacking it, or use other mobility attacks for it to get hit... and jet pack, THATS HIS ONLY DEFENSE , so... he got worse than before imo...😢 That’s all ig
@@PaulCatorslayss 1. Yea, Rouge is a great character, but flashbang is easy to dodge and remote trap depends on Exe movement (like luck depend) 2. Eggman is weak yea, but thats the point of a support, and thats the point of turrets, just a distraction thats annoys the exe, They are even better if they are near a ledge, the exe may fall with that, and his hitbox is not that big, Outlaik has said and even showed how the hitbox is, and is just slightly bigger than others His better now in my opinion
Eggman is REALLY defenseless when it comes to SOLO, unlike tails who actually have abilities that can still help him in solo chases or rounds. And yes i know that turret can distract the exes by destroying them but most of the time they will be less priority when it comes to being exe. Not to mention the fact that it ONLY targets one exe at a time and they are also one tapped easily, and minions can also just take the hit from turrets
If we talk about teamwork, Eggman is better And yea, he struggles when is alone, but he can still survive. I have managed to do it And Tails is still good, but arm cannon is to easy to miss sometimes and glide is slow
Eggman definitely needs a change. What I want to see happen is him getting his early 1.2 shock (1.5 second stun or something) along with the turrets how they are now, but maybe an 8 second cooldown instead of 12? Edit: I’m an Eggman main but A is a little high for him, _waaay_ too high if Amy’s an A as well.
@@SpikeForrestGaming I think Eggman is a way better now Also, Amy is actually A+ while Eggman is A- But the tier list doesn’t have those ranks so thats why both are there
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Yes, Eggman is much better now!
No Eggman is not better having to repair a turret to just get it destroyed in a instant is pretty bad and his old ability "Shock" Allows Him To Help His Teammates and protect himself
@@TaiIs_fan17 thats their point, a distarctor which can be destroyed, the exe will get a punishment even if he destroy it
Also, if the user puts the turrets near ledges, the exe has high chances to fall if he is not careful
And shock yea, was good to save and defend yourself, however, was braindead and pretty boring, and hard to balance
And turrets helps more without risking yourself much, and yea, I agree that Eggman sucks alone, but if I had survived alone as him, why the rest can?
People just need to get used to his new playstyle, and understand how to use him properly
They should add a buff to the turrets like Eggman can switch what will they do since his a mechanic I like the jet pack but the turrets just need to get buff@@MAU97222
They need to add where when it hits exe 5-15 times it will stun 1 sec or 2
@@MAU97222Bro,saying that turrets are actually useful is kinda wild,even shock was an better support tbh
0:22 ×what was metal gonna do in cream's back 😭
Oh god
Rouge is honestly a very situational character. If you are facing small Sonic, use her. If it’s a foggy map like … or Hill she can be a great help for ranged stunners to hit their shots. Other than that she dosen’t have a lot of defense. 1.1 Rouge was even worse, yes, however she’s still only B+ tier in my opinion.
She’s incredibly situational, and is better swapped out for a reliable stunner like Amy or Knuckles.
i agree with you on eggman, his turrets need a bit of a buff atm tho, jetpack should get a charge up buff aswell, only a tiny one, but rather than that i agree!
4:40 bro💀
It’s a pretty solid list, but here are some things I would change:
Cream: her overheal is a higher risk higher reward shield, and speedboost gets more hate than it should due to how predictable charge is and how delayed spin dash is. A tier feels much more fitting for someone who can let metal Sonic just bully Sonic for free.
Sally: shield is definitely solid and so I emp, but I wouldn’t say she is S tier. Solid A tier, but definitely is being a bit overrated here.
Other than that, I’m glad someone on TH-cam actually understands eggman is good lol. Epic video
@@DetectiveDar
I just see Tails a bit better than Cream, and she is vulnerable, but I guess you are right
Maybe I overrate Sally a bit there, I through she didn't got any changes in the full 1.2 update.
True, Eggman is very underrated.
Btw, Im glad that you enjoyed the video, its the hardest I ever made lol
i think S tier fits perfectly for Sally. She is useful both as a team support and solo character. And she isn't used a whole Lot,So It's pretty easy to main her. And her play style is not hard to master either. She is pretty much a perfect character If you think about it
@@rodrigomusicman1871 I feel her support role is more easily challenged now by other characters, and personally I feel cream does better at support than her, but she is definitely well rounded
As a Tails main I say that he did not need any changes, he was peak on the prototype but now with his slow guide speed and cannon delay he got ruined.(especially knowing that it was already hard to hit the cannon, now its even harder)
But hey atleast the shot stun time is the same as knuckles punch... Uhm still kinda meh
@@M2Ap2 yea, Tails need a buff
Not gonna lie
Skill issue
(Seriously, just try and get used to it. I did after about just a week of playing as late 1.2 Tails.)
They massacred my boi Tails.
Used to be my main and I was decent at hitting shots.
Now he's practically unplayable.
I don’t agree with some but I can respect them because it’s YOUR OPINION. Nice video!
Lol, i like how SONIC.EXE AND EVERY EXE MINION IS F TIER XD
They sucks!!!!!!!
Yes! A guy who understands the true power of the Eggman and doesn't whine that he's defenceless!
As a Eggmain, He can be the most annoying character if played right
@@sungineer
As an Eggman main Im agree.
Defenceless, but extremely annoying
Still the worst character, turrets are EXTREMELY vulnerable and get destroyed easily, shock was bith a shield and a stun and was somewhat more useful then the turrets that even minions can destroy easily
@@CorvusTheMonke
Turrets are mean to be a distractor/debuff not a self-defense tool
And minions need 3 hits, which is enough for Eggman to escape
You just need to be strategic, and put turrets near ledge, and on top of destroyed turrets so minions cant reach them without jumping
And the springs will be your best friends for charge jetpack
@@MAU97222 Jetpack gets countered by ladders and springs, Turrets need to be set up in the first place. Exe decides to go for Eggman early? no time to spread turrets. Exe decides to focus on other players? Minions will start appearing and disturb Eggmantrying to set turrrets. Also 3 hits is extremely short for minions
@@CorvusTheMonke
Depends on the place you use it
There is time actually, I have put 2 turrets when Im the first one
3 hits are enough, they have a long attack cooldown, you can easily escape via jetpack when they are distracted
Imma be real with you, this tier list would be different for me.
First off, i'd say Tails is a solid B-to-A tier character. Have you ever gone up against a Tails main with at least one functioning braincell? They will absolutely annoy you. Plus, look at Tails and Creams' height compared to other survivors. Being smaller, they are a pain to hit. Plus, glide having extra stamina allows them to trick an exe who thought they were an easy kill. Delay on the arm cannon does suck, but you do gain a smaller cooldown, and can predict the exe and even bait a kolossus block (speaking from experience on both sides of it). Overall, Tails is mean and can be a pain to hit sometimes.
I can agree with the Knuckles rating. He is a nightmare when played right.
Amy is a solid A for me. I see people complaining about Hammer Bounce being replaced with Hammer Spin and say how it's so baitable. However, Amy is a trickier Knuckles. Knuckles is simply a Brawler with low cooldowns and ie always in the exes face. Amy is not only a brawler, but a brawler that can fool and easily take care of an exe. Hammer Spin is unblockable and can multi stun, making her even more annoying. Also, Hammer attack has such a big range, it is near impossible to escape when too close to her. The windup is just long enough for me to predict and fast enough to punish. Hamer throw is whatever. I refuse to elaborate.
Eggman... imma be real with you, easy C to very, VERY low B. Let's face it, he isn't that good. Yes, the turrets slow, yes his jetpacks goes far, but think about the time it takes for your jetpack to charge up high enough to get that far, and think about how vulnerable you are when using your turrets. In fact, the turrets are mostly a pain to Kolossus, as small exe has the speed to just ignore them. On top of that, it takes one minion to destroy the turrets. Add on his taller hitbox, and you have a survivor who isn't all that useful. Besides, the people struggling against Eggman tend to ignore him and other supports. If you literally just run past the stunners, it won't take long to kill a support, especially Eggman, who has to rely on his turrets and an okay jetpack. It becomes even harder when the exe gets you to accidentally jump when you didn't need to. See, when Eggman had shock, it made his big hitbox good because it was hard to avoid, and it countered the small exe, who is far stronger than many give credit for. But, it came at the cost of being blockable, and you had to be close to the exes. At least it got the exe away from your teammates or would trick them into running into another stunner. I used to main Eggman, so i've personally been annoyed with the removal of shock.
(I realized i put Amy in the wrong spot, whoopsies.) Cream is honestly a good A tier character. Her overheal can give massive amounts of hp, allowing survivors to tank more hits and even messes with big exes grab as it keeps giving the survivor hp while he does his best to choke them out. It's like Sally's shield, but it doesn't give a speed boost and forces Cream to stand still. Speed boost is easily one of the best mobility as both exes have to use their mobility, charge, and spin dash to keep up with you. Add on Creams' tiny hitbox, and you have an annoying support who just lacks any form of defense, though your team will (or should) most likely automatically want to protect you, especially Knuckles. Overall, solid support and hard to hit.
Sally is easily an S tier. Why? Because she is one of a few characters who can solo the best. She has a shield that acts as a get out of jail free card she can share with teammates, and an emp that majroly slows ths exe while majorly increasing your speed, the only flaws being it doesn't have i-frames, has short range, and requires solid timing. Sally is simple, but she is scarily effective. However, most Sally players are immediately attacked and killed (speaking from experience) before they can do anything, hence why not a lot of people play her.
Shadow is either a high A tier or low S tier. Of every character, i've had the most solo runs with Shadow (most failed, admittedly). When playing Shadow, one has to really learn how his moveset works, or else they'll die fast, because his stuns don't last long, but also serve as good mobility. His 'homing' strike may not lock onto and chase down the exe anymore, but it still is unblockable, and missing just gives you some good distance. Plus, you hover while using it, so you can trick an exe by using it over a ledge and going towards another spot on the ledge. Just remember, the stun isn't long, and doesn't knock back the exe much. As for Boost, it's a good mobility that does what Eggman's jetpack used to do, hover you up and forwards. It can be used mid-air, making it a solid mobility and stomping is a good way to save teammates since it's also unblockable. Overall, Shadow is a solid character who does take learning.
As for Rouge... we don't speak of her...
Metal Sonic, i can agree with. A solid Metal Sonic player can guarantee a victory. In fact, i've seen most won matches having a metal sonic because of his tankiness and his ability to annoy the exe. I just wish he couldn't be grabbed...
Silver is a solid B for me. Yeah, Silver is well-rounded, but he falls flat for me. His orb shot is blockable, giving the exe a free stun to block... so long as they remembered you. Speed boost eas better than what i last thought as it goves you enough speed to punish an exe who misses their attack. Barrier is his worst love to me, and it's still useful, as it blocks an exes path. But, the ladders and simply jumping around the barrier can bypass it completely. Useful, but he can be a gamble at times.
And oh, poor Blaze. I rank her in C because her stuns aren't that good. On paper, she should be the biggest annoyance after Metal Sonic, since she has a fast unblockable stun, and a shorter range, but more effective stun. Honestly, Heatwave can be so unreliable at times, especially with its charge up. As for Fire Tornado, it's reliable, but not as good as one may think. Yes, you can hit multiple exes and not lose speed, but it doesn't stun very long, and you can be killed for the few seconds you charge it up. Plus, Exes just seem to hate Blaze and Sally, as i've seen plenty of them killing the two, even if there was a more annoying stunner out o. The loose.
Is this tier list useful? No. Should you read it? Double no.
@@Derpo._.
We all have different opinions
And this is a good example of that
(And I like to read all the comments so uhhhh, I read it)
@MAU97222 understandable, have a nice day.
@@Derpo._.
Same!
(Just in case, yes, I respect your opinion)
@@MAU97222 👍
I think the Eggman hate comes from people being way more used to him being a stunner instead of a support.
@@ness6714 yep
Off of the tier list, who's your favorite character to use/main in Sonic.EXE Disaster?
@@somenormalguylol
Eggman, I have main him when I was new in TD, specifically during the experimental version, and was the second character that I try in the game
And even after his rework, I still a Eggman main, and now I like to use him even more, so yea, I will be an Eggman main forever
(Btw if you have curiosity of who was the first character that I try, well, that was shadow)
@@MAU97222 Nice, my main is starting to become Metal Sonic
Tails, I spent wayyy too much time playing Illari in OW2 when she released. Like, the 0.2 second delay doesn't register in my brain and I hit 70-75% of my shots... Or I miss every single one, y'know. Tails.
Also rouge thing when he was screaming is packgod vs red furry man
I like the concept of Eggman's rework, but in execution, he feels incredibly underpowered.
You feel it, but is not
In the right hand he is extremely annoying
@@MAU97222 Thats sort of the problem. I have only found it to be annoying at best and barely an inconvenience at worst. Compared to the other support characters, he feels the least annoying to fight against.
@@Looona_fan
Depends on the user
@@MAU97222 Agree to disagree, I guess.
@@Looona_fan
Everyone has their opinion anyway
The best are for me shadow, knuckles, metal sonic, blaue, Silver and Amy DUDE AMY CAN HIT 3 COMBOS
0:14 what the...Tails...!?
I feel like eggman turrets should have a bit more range to make it more valuable, since I feel other survivors bring more to the match than what eggman does currently (but hey thats just my opinion :v)
Pillar chase ost HELL YEAHHHH 3:05
2:48 amelia rosada is my favorite character 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
I honestly think what actual Rouge is GOATED,she can blind exe,make visible,has a landmine,can dodge exe.
Also amy and cream amy was wyst theme sounds for pc2 which is short for pillar chase 2 and cream theme was the fogborn john skin
@@Curseking3078 ye I know
Im gonna miss old Eggman, he was really good back then, he had a good stun ability and you could do some cool stuff with old Jetpack... guess i gotta adapt with this new one
Mhm, tbh when eggman had *ONLY* shock (not even jetpack) in the older versions he was one of da best characters since he was a easy to get Stun, having old lunge-hitbox and also a decent stun time so he could escape even without Jetpack
im a metal main and i like to call the self destruct move a kamikaze attack
One thing you don’t bring up as much is how much stun different characters do
Like even tho knuckles moves are hard to hit it does amazing stun
Compared to blaze moves which do close to 0 stun
It’s a pretty good balance mechanic
@@naleemabbott
I didn’t really see it necessary
And fire tornado is more a mobility tool
And heatwave push and stun 2 seconds and push
Bro i'm dominating Game with metal sonic, I'll be cooking exe
Me - is that wyst from pillar chase 2💀💀💀💀😭😭😭😭😭🌅🌅🌅
Stop using pillar chase 2 chase music
I just ran out of ideas for another song lol
@@MAU97222This bro used my two favorite songs lol
0:14
I honestly think eggman is a lot worse cuz he just has no way to defend himself + his hitbox and if exe decides to go for the egg the poor egg can't even run with his mobility as there is a delay his turrets get destroyed instantly by charge or get countered by a single minion and even if the turrets slow exes a little it's not significant eggman honestly is just a turret shutuper's 1.2 tier list goes in depth
1. Supports are mean to be bad in chases
2. His hitbox is not that big, is just slightly big than normal.
3. If you saw the full Eggman part, you will notice that with one single charge, Eggman will get a ton of distance, Eggman is now a strategic character, you need to use brain now, no like old Eggman, for example, use the full charge before a chase starts
4. Turrets are mean to be a distraction, so thats why they get easily destroyed
5. Ladders? Use jetpack in place where there are not ladders, cuz there are some, I have found one spot in some maps
People doesn’t get the Eggman new gameplay style, he is now a support, not a stunner
@@MAU972221-egg is the only support that doesn’t have self defense
2-agree
3-kollosos and exe can literally use charge or spindash to get closer to him
4-its an distraction that will take less 1 second to destroy
5-exe has ladders almost everywhere now,it’s kinda hard to go to an actual place that he can’t reach when you are getting chased
@@Dudu-x1j 1. True, I forgot that Cream can kill the exe
2. Quack
3. Depends on the place you use it, like a place thatbI showed in the video
4. Also, depends on the place you use it, like near an ledge
5. But there is some place that Eggman can use jetpack
@@MAU97222 Cream can kill exe now? (Joke question)
@@Sansic_302
Yes
Rip tails 💀🙏 (0:14)
[7:23] "me pica un pulmón" ahh metal Sonic 😭🙏
I don’t really agree with you about Eggman, he’s just the vulnerable and gimmicky character to play as.
Arm cannon did not need any changes, I agree with eggman's placement in this tier list but my lag makes jetpack charge so slow 😭
Agree, Tails was better before
Atleast if you are good at predicting the exe, you land some shoots
For tails I found the 0.2 delay to actually help him so I don’t mind it. The EGGMAN turrets are good but I preferred stun so I rather we have both. I’m not a fan of hammer spin since it feels like the hammer swing but weaker and hammer jump was way better. creams overheal is SO good. Less cooldown and more heal. It helps much more and can save people easier. No more waiting for cooldown to end for one person to tank a hit just to wait 80 seconds now you can heal them 130+ and they can tank multiple for a while. I LOVE IT. The emp for sally is really nice. I like it instead of roll. But I wish both were still in. Shadows new moveset is good I don’t have any issues with that. Knuckles shorter cooldowns make him INSANELY good. Rouge got a HUGE nerf. I remember I coukd never find rouge and it’s hard to chase her. So she went from one of the best to decent. Metal sonic is good but the explosion thing is so bad like it doesn’t even help that much… it’s just like punching the exe. Silvers moveset is amazing, easy to use and helps others. Blaze has a nice and effective moveset but it requires skil.
finally someone who put eggman in better tier
istg this ppl always put eggman in low tier just bc slightly bigger hitbox and can't self defense.
and ppl don't understand eggman now need more brain and iq to master him or else ur screwed
and his kita fits him bc eggman iq is around 300iq which mean ofc eggman need skills to play
@@simply_davidXD
True.
Also, I dont think that canon Eggman would directly fight a demon lol
@@MAU97222 his to braindead before and is sounds odds having braindead abilities when u have 300iq
and shock was sooo unbalanced
2:18
Me when I saw "screen":
"FROM THE SCREEN, TO THE RING, TO THE KING, WHERE'S MY CROWN, WHERE'S MY BLING, ALWAYS DRAMA WHEN I RRIIIIINNNGG, YEAH!"
Ranking rouge higher then cream is an absolute crime
@@Gumbo425
As a semi Rouge main, I see Rouge better than Cream, in terms of survivality
@ fair
In my opinion. Rouge is S tier because slide actually solos even wighout landmine or flashbang
Tbh rouge’s slide makes you invincible (Basically but you can get hit) for 1.5 seconds every 12 seconds, tbh that’s abit above 1/10 of invincibility, Honestly it’s amazing. I do wish her slide stayed at 10 second cool-down tho
@AkoYano facts but 2 extra seconds for 2 abilities + faster sensor placement speed is so worth it
after seeing eggman in A tier i wouldnt be surprised if amy and metal were in F tier
@@Raibary4nnn
We all have different opinions anyway
(Dont underestimate a good Eggman main, I hate them)
And if you saw the full video, you will see that I put Metal and Amy in a better position, however, as I say, Eggman is very good if he is used correctly, I have managed to survive alone.
@@MAU97222 i mean....... the list if about the survivors, which means we're just ignoring all the other mechanics of the game and how most of exes r.... which means, yeah that gives eggman that rank
@@Raibary4nnn
I only speak about the characters themselves, ignoring the mechanics
@@MAU97222 yea then eggman deserves that rank........ kinda
WHAT DID U SAY ABT MY GIRL? 6:30
Why you calling shadow "EMO" he is the ultimate lifeform hence immortal(but not in Sonic exe TD games 😅) he has faced alot, Sonic X Shadow Generations will explain k.
@@Zygates cuz he is sonic but emo
@@MAU97222And a grandpa
Eggman...
I'm VERY mixed... Ngl, he both sucks and is good at the same time, as his Turrets are trash but also waste time, it might be confusing what I'm talking about.... But he is y'know, a very good and bad support, I don't know why, but he's just so damn mixed lmao. But one specific reason why I'm mixed, is holy moly he's so DEFENSELESS in solos, yeah, turrets can (not really) help, but dawg it's very hard to pull off, his jetpack I'm also kind of mixed on, it's... Bad... But good in a different type of situation like when afar but up close is HELLA risky... But some positive things I can say about his rework is that turrets are actually... Really fun! I've had so much fun repairing them, and so, I think that what makes his rework good, his jetpack is very good if you wanna reach the exit faster, and one more thing... TAILS CAN REPAIR THE TURRETS!!! That's all I gotta say for his rework, hot take though, he's balanced, like real balanced... Anyway it took awhile to write this lol..
Write a reply if you wanna ask more what I think about the rework... Woo!!!1!1
Oh and I forgor, his jetpack is sooo good!!
@@Mr.Koolaidlover
I only agree with the fact he is defenceless.
Also, you can use the springs to use a full charged jetpack without risk yourself
And his turrets are just a distractor, they are very useful in the right places, specially near ledge
Fun fact: Turrets can stack ontop of other turrets that got destroyed
@MAU97222 The charged jetpack is so cool!!
@@Mr.Koolaidlover true
"good mobility with jetpack" eeehh it could be better
@@wolfmoonens3378
If it used correctly, its good
@MAU97222 yeah deffenetly but i still feel like it could be buffed somewhat in how far it takes you
4:51 you said defense twice
I think your my friend on roblox cuz i played with you 1.2
i respect your opinions, but i wanna share my takes on some things.
1. i'd say sally is better than knuckles. while yes, knuckles is still a great survivor, sally can be a much bigger pain for the exe. her cooldowns aren't that long, and although they arent as ridiculous as they were in the 1.2 beta, they're still really short and easy to chain. and her abilities are extremely annoying and hard to get around, unlike knuckles's abilities which are both easy to dodge and easy to predict.
2. the TD community be sleeping on sensors man. knowing where exe is from anywhere on the map is very good to know, no matter what situation. plus seeing where your team is can help you out too. i don't know if rouge is better than eggman or not as of now, but i just keep seeing people saying sensors aren't that good and i cant help but wonder if they've ever actually used sensors before.
3. i personally would swap silver and blaze's placements. blaze isn't bad, just not S tier worthy imo. her only reliable-ish means of self defense can't be used while in a chase unless it's already charged up or you get some distance and exe doesn't immediately charge/teleport/spindash/just catch up by running normally, and her fire tornado can be easily countered by literally everything i just listed earlier. it's not like she's unusable or bad, but her utility is very situational and very counterable.
whereas silver doesn't really have any downsides. his orb has a short stun, yes, but it's cooldown feels just as short to make up for that. and plus, it's the easiest ranged stun to land in the game. his speed radius can be pretty helpful for teammates and silver, and although it's not game-changing it could really help out, even if by a little bit. and the barrier, while not the best, can be really annoying if used correctly. he can block off pathways or springs, completely block hits and sometimes even completely stop exe in his tracks for a couple seconds if timed right, and is pretty good to run back and forth with, since silver can run through it but exe cannot.
and that's it. hopefully this isnt too long of a comment but if it is i'll just summarize without explainations:
put sally over knuckles
sensors are better than people give them credit for
swap silver and blaze
Im pretty sure Knux has shorter cooldowns than Sally
@Skully399-z6e he does, but his abilities are worse than hers. in fact, his cooldowns being so short is the only reason knuckles is as good as he is, unlike sally who has broken abilities with short cooldowns
1. Yea, Sally is better than knuckles in some aspects. However, Knuckles has more shorter cooldowns than Sally, and yea, he is predictable and all, but an skilled knuckles can deal with that
(And I struggle more with knuckles mains than with Sally mains lol)
2. Im agree with you, Sensors are pretty useful is every situation, specially against Sonic.exe and in KAF.
And yes, Eggman is a way better than Rouge
3. I see Blaze a bit better than Silver, like yea, Silver is easy to use and all, but his moves are pretty weak compared to Blaze
And you got a point, heatwave cant be used during a chase, however, Blaze can just use Fire tornado to make distance and then use heatwave.
Talking about heatwave, the ability can also be used for an speed boost and before its ends, stun the exe!
And don’t worry how long the comment is, I like to read them lol
Bro’s edition is evolving bruh 😭
eh, I'd put Eggman in c-, he's useful for slowing down exe for better dodges, but due to him being way more vulnerable than other characters, he's kinda screwed if he's alone and turrets are far away
True, he sucks alone, but with skill, you can dodge exe attacks easily, I have manage to survive alone sometimes
3:47 name of the song pls?
John Ancient skin Chase theme - Pillar chase 2
@@mini_cat387 but extended
I CAN MOVE WHERE I WANNA GO WITH HOMING ATTACK AND ITS ALSO COOL MOBILITY
Could you tell me all the song names or possibly the peoples names you found them? :)
1. Camera, light and action (Sonic mania)
2. I dont remember the name, but it comes from Kirby returns to dreamland
3. Final Boss (Sonic 3)
4. WYST chase theme (Pillar chase 2)
5. Jonh chase theme extended (Made by @RetroFNN)
6. Sky battery zone (Sonic 3 & Knuckles)
7. Doomsday zone (Sonic 3 & Knuckles)
8. Ice cap zone (Sonic 3 & Knuckles)
9. Ruins (Undertale)
10. I dont remember the name, but it come from Sonic Rush, specifically, Blaze bossfight
11. “Uwa! So holiday.” (Undertale)
@MAU97222 thank you so much!
Ngl, But I respect your own opinion, but imo
1. Rouge is an S tier for me, Why? her remote trap is literally so annoying, it can be baitable or not, her slide is good for solo terms, and sensors too. With Evasion gone, she’s now pretty useful. Flashbang literally blinds the exe, for like 4 to 5 secs. In Team terms, she’s honestly super great.
2. Eggman, for me.. is a C or D tier... he’s kinda weak now, and very very vulnerable. His hitbox became slightly bigger than its normal hitbox, and for his turrets, it just makes the exe slow down, and exes can avoid it easily just by attacking it, or use other mobility attacks for it to get hit... and jet pack, THATS HIS ONLY DEFENSE , so... he got worse than before imo...😢
That’s all ig
@@PaulCatorslayss
1. Yea, Rouge is a great character, but flashbang is easy to dodge and remote trap depends on Exe movement (like luck depend)
2. Eggman is weak yea, but thats the point of a support, and thats the point of turrets, just a distraction thats annoys the exe,
They are even better if they are near a ledge, the exe may fall with that, and his hitbox is not that big, Outlaik has said and even showed how the hitbox is, and is just slightly bigger than others
His better now in my opinion
@ I respect ur opinion hehe😁
@ same
Kolossos sonic exe and all the minions being F:
Hi am new 😅
Al diablo con torrentas
@@LUCERO481
Las torretas son lo mejor🔥🔥🔥
@MAU97222 tu opinión: las torrentas son lo mejor🔥🔥🔥.
Mi opinión:💢 COMO SEA NO GRACIAAAAAS💢🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥!!!!!!!!
Eggman would be better if he had shock and turret since atleast he can defend himself.
Shock will not back
Metal sonic is overrated, I can’t even pick him
I use eggman for mah main
Me Too I Main Eggman No Matter What
@E.G.G.M.A.N69 BROTHER
@@E.G.G.M.A.N69BROTHER
Same
Hai😊
@@TaiIs_fan17 hello
5:53 what’s the name of this song?
Doomsday zone, from Sonic 3 & Knuckles
@@MAU97222Ok thanks
@@MAU97222I was also wondering what sonic 3:54 was
@@SonictheSpyHog1 is not from Sonic, is just a extended versión of the Jonh chase them from Pillar chase
Made by @RetroFNN
@@MAU97222 thanks my bro
What do the turrets do
@@CianHaileyOpena slowdown the exe drastically
@@CianHaileyOpena
They are very useful, just use them correctly
I SURVIVED ON SILVER 3 TIMES IS SO EZ
Why did bro put cream in B tier
She is good yea, but is very easy to counter
@@MAU97222 yeah but there are people most likely protecting her unless the team is trash
@@Baldi_epiktrue
Eggman highter than tails??? This tier list looks overwhelming in my opinion
Eggman is REALLY defenseless when it comes to SOLO, unlike tails who actually have abilities that can still help him in solo chases or rounds. And yes i know that turret can distract the exes by destroying them but most of the time they will be less priority when it comes to being exe. Not to mention the fact that it ONLY targets one exe at a time and they are also one tapped easily, and minions can also just take the hit from turrets
If we talk about teamwork, Eggman is better
And yea, he struggles when is alone, but he can still survive.
I have managed to do it
And Tails is still good, but arm cannon is to easy to miss sometimes and glide is slow
This tier list is more based on my experience with the characters
ima be fr with you, this tier list is ass
@@AwesomeAmazinAyaan9877
Thanks!
This tier list is in my personal opinion anyway
Eggman definitely needs a change. What I want to see happen is him getting his early 1.2 shock (1.5 second stun or something) along with the turrets how they are now, but maybe an 8 second cooldown instead of 12?
Edit: I’m an Eggman main but A is a little high for him, _waaay_ too high if Amy’s an A as well.
@@SpikeForrestGaming
I think Eggman is a way better now
Also, Amy is actually A+ while Eggman is A-
But the tier list doesn’t have those ranks so thats why both are there
Self explanatory But wanna play td 1.2 i got banned in it from my main so add me in mah alt Hulyan_12345
@@TaiIs_fan17 why did you got banned?
Hacks@@MAU97222
Can you add me?@@MAU97222