Now take a look at the Richard Allen trial. No DNA, no blood in car, clothes, house, knives. Because he didn't remember the exact time he was there the first time talking to detectives he was placed in a prison max security (one of the worst in Indiana) solitary confinement for 13 months. Delphi Indiana needs to be investigated. They destroyed this mans life physically, mentally, emotionally, fiancially. He is now a brain damaged man who was injected with Haldol until his eyes bulged out. This should not be happening in America. What I learned, never call in a tip line and say you were somewhere, anywhere near where a crime was committed. That is another reason Rick Allen is innocent. What unaliver is going to call in a tip line and place themselves at the scene of a crime? None!
@@VioletJoy not without an attorney present, that's absolutely correct. Because 99.9% of the time, whether the evidence warrants it or not, the significant other of the missing/murdered person will be the first person authorities look at. Not only that, but they will likely make the same mistake they always do, and start off with the assumption that the partner is guilty and try to gather evidence to support that claim. As opposed to, say, gathering evidence from every credible source and THEN following that information wherever it leads.
I wouldn't say that. Statistics point to spouses and or partners being predominantly responsible for the death of loved ones. So,yes,they're always the first persons of interest.
Never leave your kids to get drunk.....only loser modern women think that's ok...if you can't control your actions and emotions you shouldn't have kids
Did you listen? They tried! Should they have kidnapped her? It's so easy to sit on your high horse and judge others. Have you through yiur whole life always managed to keep all your friends in one place when out drinking. If so, you're not human.
Her boyfriend is partly to blame. It's a man's responsibility to take care of his woman. What kind of man separates from his girlfriend in a bar and doesn't show up again until hours later ??
@@_aesthete_ Exactly! Disgusting!! That's exactly what I said. It was his duty to protect her. He clearly didn't really love or care about her, otherwise he wouldn't have just abandoned her. And his behavior towards her sister later is sick.
I went to college with Nicole. She was in my class as we both were becoming teachers at UW-Green Bay. I transferred schools, and lost contact with her. We weren't friends, but everyone in class was super friendly. Nicole was a very nice person. She didn't deserve this.
She was very pretty, and probably suffering with postpartum. It's so sad because she was at home in her own driveway when she was murdered by a 6'7 monster.
@@ScreamingEagleFTW I'll bet he played it as "Oh let me drive you home." to dupe her to take a ride with him. As a general rule don't let strangers drive you anywhere.
@@christophertaylor4340you’re absolutely correct. I have a daughter and wife. Emotional control is a critical skill. As a man, it’s your duty to teach those under your cover, if that applies.
It's magnitudes worse to be exposed to drunks than to be a drunk. Everyone suffers and the presence of drunks. How is it that there are so many bars in so many towns? In the real world we call those meth houses. If you want to find drugs go to a bar. The activity at a bar is offensive to society, if you stay home and if you want to harm yourself and your family enables you then more power to you, but the public shouldn't be exposed to such behavior.
I tell my sisters to NEVER ..EVER.. be alone with a stranger or get into their car, if you do, you've already lost 60% to 70% of your chances if something goes wrong.
i didn't even know her and miss her after this. those three kids lost a precious beautiful mom. if you're not the police and just a friend, you need to be an expert diffusing the rage of a furious drunk person.
sure. thats what they do . they find women who just had fights with their boyfriends and not getting along. Then they kill them and guess who they will blame? Right. The boyfriend/husband every time.
Yes and don't keep having babies to guy after guy and then find another guy to help you raise them. Nicole is or was a very selfish egotistical woman and sounded like she never left high school with her "woe is me" dramatic attitude.
I live close to this area and remember this case well. Everyone at first assumed it was Doug that killed Nikki. It’s so easy to put innocent people in prison for life, thankfully technology proved otherwise in this case.
Was he not charged with sexuaI assault? Clearly he violated her before killing her. Naked body found typically means the victim was forced into non consensual acts.
@ his defense was that the bf had him do it. Once the bf got cleared, you have to look for his motive for killing her. Since her murder scene was that of a SA victim, it’s clear to see his motive was trying to hide the assault he did beforehand. The prosecutors just have a tough time proving it.
@@janetmiller2297 I don’t think Madlyn is victim blaming but just stating a fact. Unfortunately people are going to kill other people for a variety of reasons. It’s a horrible truth about our species. I wish it wasn’t like that but it is so keeping yourself safe should always be a top priority. When you are intoxicated you are putting yourself at risk depending on the situation.
@@janetmiller2297 Is it victim blaming or cautioning people to be responsible in this cruel world? Damn you people are so fragile and want to be a victim so bad that reasoning sounds like an attack to you guys.
It’s only a breading ground for disaster. Since she had psychotic tendencies which is probably post pardon from having 3 children. I mean mixing alcohol + mental health and if she was taking prescription pills for mental illness. Alcohol is a depressant
@ watching shows like these. The women who keep having children and have post pardon some end up killing their children. One in the news, recently, she jumped out the window and became paralyzed, but she drowned her kids. Husband knew she had post pardon
*NEVER talk to Police without an attorney! Yes, they will be upset that you want a lawyer before answering their questions, but it is more than worth it to protect yourself and your rights*
It’s just a shame that people with violent histories in their youth or any part of their lives are SET FREE. Something needs to change regarding how we retain criminals. They shouldn’t be set free so easily. How many crimes have occurred because the justice system set criminals free? Too many to count !
@@darkfafnir4389 I agree with that. Or not given chance after chance to have their kids returned to them, only to negatively affect the kids each time with their horrible behavior, and probably breed more
@@darkfafnir4389 the only shame is that humans can't do that as free people on a free planet without worrying about getting SA and merger'd... Yet your ingenious solution to that is maybe we should lock them up too? Will that help them get their kids to class on time the next day? Because what? she put some things in her body you don't like? The comment was literally "violent criminals should never get out." And people have no shame in replying, "yea, but how about how the woman with kids at home drank that legal alcohol and took those legal prescription drugs?🤔 She's the real one we should be looking at,"🤯 Drugs don't do crimes, people do. People doing drugs should not be a crime, people doing crimes should be crimes. It would be a lot easier for courts and the justice system to hold violent criminals accountable for the appropriate length of time if jails were not overcrowded with drug offenders taking up 70% of the space while people who actually will hurt people, and have shown us they will, still walk among us
Another instance of the justice system failing a victim and an innocent person. If he had been convicted for that first murder Nicole would still be alive.
The victim blaming in this thread is disgusting.. idc if she was post partum, mad, drunk n looked like a slut. Her kids were safe and she shouldn’t have been killed. Daf
We see you’ve never been accused of crimes against a woman before. When a delusional drunk woman is making a scene against you in public the best thing to do is leave her alone. Wife or not.
@SunSHINEdiva this guy said he wanted to move somewhere else to have kids because crime was too high where he was from but yet he's a criminal committing crime in the new area he moved to
My thoughts (since you asked) on the defence's argument: how unlucky would you have to be, to have murdered in your past and be on parole, to happen into the scene where some random guy executes his first murder in an otherwise fairly normal life?
And if they focused instantly on strangers rather than on people she knew off the bat you would still be calling them incompetent; hindsight is 20 20 😊
The bad choices both Doug and Nicole made that night led to an encounter with a monster. The murderer is fully guilty, but perhaps people need to grow up from partying before they have a child together. Neither had control of their drinking, which ultimately sealed their future that night.
She, in particular, had unresolved emotional issues that came up with the use of alcohol. This type of person should not be drinking, especially in public.
@jcatmeow0902 Well...Dude was tired of chick throwing tantrums....it's just something about blondes and redheads don't know why but they're always cray cray. I avoid them no matter what.
@@jcatmeow0902 Try being unbiased..."Nicole divorced her first husband because she wanted more in life." Doug got saved when this manipulative lady went bye bye.
@@jcatmeow0902 I just used a literal quote from the mother of Nicole...you on the other hand made up Doug leaving her at a concert. She went in a car with close friends to another bar and Doug stayed behind. It is not his fault she couldn't control herself, she was a grown woman with kids at the end of the day.
It is sad to hear that a person accomplishes so much w a high education snd do not have any sense or control over his or her behavior. Once a woman is intoxicated she is easy prey w no control or be able to deffend herself. We hear about this tragedies every day e no end in sight. What are you doing at a bar when you have children to take care of. No self control or discipline. Beter to be alone than in bad company. Condolences to her family, children and loved ones. 🥲
All I see in this kind of stories is a bunch of people carelessly having children. The children are the ones who have to live with such memories, with that blood in their veins.
@@mojorino1168 Agree with you. It will be rough. However the original post is about them “living with the memories” what memories exactly are we talking about when the infant is 6 months old?
@@lionedheartthe older two were 10 and 9 at the time. They will always remember that a very bad man killed their mom, and they will never get over that.
Blows my mind how detectives get so laser focused on one person who is giving no signs of being the perp while not working the details or facts of the case - where did she go after she left at 0100, did another bartender or witness see her, what about other video down the street, what about cell phone pings - timeline, what about video between the bars and where they found her body/clothing. The bf was held in jail for 18 days but never charged. What a crock
Terrible case but yikes , she broke up her family because she was bored ? Smh..Douggy boy had no intention of marrying her but guess the emotional drama filled rollercoaster was more appealing than boring stability..even with kids in tow
Such a sad situation. This really highlights how important it is to look out for our loved ones when they seem stressed or in difficult relationships. Do you think there were any warning signs leading up to this?
That poor, foolish woman. She put a giant target on her back without even realizing it. If only the friend dragged her away instead of relenting when she threw a drunken temper tantrum.
The bystanders would have tackled him for stopping her from leaving. She was throwing herself on the ground and screaming and people noticed, so he backed off. He continued to talk to her, but she walked off and ignored him. 🤦♀️
Pregnant after only one month after meeting him... and moved in with him after this short time with her children.....then the story with this guy who murderrd her.....she seems to had made one bad decision after a baf decision after a bad decicion!!! Anyway R.IP.
Ignore your friends offer to help, leave your boyfriend at the bar and your 3 kids at home, go to drink / flirt with a stranger to get back at your boyfriend then get into his car only to get assaulted and killed. This lady wasn't very smart, was she?
Nice victim blaming, loser. You’re not too intelligent and educated are you? No. No you’re not. (Oh and that was a rhetorical question by the way, I know you’ll have to look up what rhetorical means.) 😂
Another old episode! And another man that almost went away for life who was innocent. Its so sad so many people locked up and even on deathrow that are innocent!
Based on his reaction she acted like that (a train wreck) often. As soon as I notice any of my girlfriends acting “drunk” I stop drinking. We watch each other like hawks, come together, leave together. But having a 2 drink minimum is always the safest bet.. along side staying home.
Should jave never gotten into ne with her sfter she got pregnant not even knowing him a few weeks...All sje wanted was fun in her life. So why have kids then?? All I feel sorry for are the little kids keft behind.
@@fredajordan5704 This lady was 100% a user and manipulative towards men...she thought she could use her magic to get a free ride and it backfired. drunk or not
I was the babysitter - this day lives forever in my mind - we understand that George violently did this, but from my conversations with him that night and the next day, I know the boyfriend isn’t innocent either. When on trial I was not allowed to speak about the boyfriend at all. So a bit of information has been left out.
If he was so broke that he couldn’t pay a $100/week rent, how does the family got $269,000 from him. It didn’t sound like he had any assets. That’s confusing.
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She likes to cheat!!
If not for DNA and phone data, the boyfriend would have been prosecuted on circumstances alone
Yes, I think those cops failed him until neighbors had to do the cops job for them.
Sad but very true
And the fit bit. The issue with police thinking they're smarter than everyone. Unreal
Well the neighbors fell upon those items. Police weren't looking in that particular spot
Now take a look at the Richard Allen trial. No DNA, no blood in car, clothes, house, knives. Because he didn't remember the exact time he was there the first time talking to detectives he was placed in a prison max security (one of the worst in Indiana) solitary confinement for 13 months. Delphi Indiana needs to be investigated. They destroyed this mans life physically, mentally, emotionally, fiancially. He is now a brain damaged man who was injected with Haldol until his eyes bulged out. This should not be happening in America. What I learned, never call in a tip line and say you were somewhere, anywhere near where a crime was committed. That is another reason Rick Allen is innocent. What unaliver is going to call in a tip line and place themselves at the scene of a crime? None!
DON'T talk to police without an attorney...especially if you are innocent.
Cops are not your friends. They want to solve the case asap and are not concern with inconveniencing innocent people.
So, your partner is missing, but you're not going to talk to police about it right away?
Or just don’t hit your spouse & the police wont assume you did it ……….
@@VioletJoy not without an attorney present, that's absolutely correct. Because 99.9% of the time, whether the evidence warrants it or not, the significant other of the missing/murdered person will be the first person authorities look at. Not only that, but they will likely make the same mistake they always do, and start off with the assumption that the partner is guilty and try to gather evidence to support that claim. As opposed to, say, gathering evidence from every credible source and THEN following that information wherever it leads.
@@Chairman-Joseph-Stalinhitting a spouse shouldn't make you automatically guilty of murder
This was a disgusting example of zeroing in on who they expected to be the suspect and not looking for anyone else. Alarmingly lazy.
It is. But also it often is the partner so
And very common.
They only look to indict the most potential person who can't fully cover their time.
they just want the stat and bragging rights at bingo night
I wouldn't say that. Statistics point to spouses and or partners being predominantly responsible for the death of loved ones. So,yes,they're always the first persons of interest.
Never leave your drunk friend behind or let them wander off alone.
Never leave your kids to get drunk.....only loser modern women think that's ok...if you can't control your actions and emotions you shouldn't have kids
Did you listen?
They tried!
Should they have kidnapped her?
It's so easy to sit on your high horse and judge others.
Have you through yiur whole life always managed to keep all your friends in one place when out drinking.
If so, you're not human.
Did you listen?
They tried real hard!
She wouldn't have any of that!
Her boyfriend is partly to blame. It's a man's responsibility to take care of his woman. What kind of man separates from his girlfriend in a bar and doesn't show up again until hours later ??
@@_aesthete_ Exactly! Disgusting!! That's exactly what I said. It was his duty to protect her. He clearly didn't really love or care about her, otherwise he wouldn't have just abandoned her. And his behavior towards her sister later is sick.
I went to college with Nicole. She was in my class as we both were becoming teachers at UW-Green Bay. I transferred schools, and lost contact with her. We weren't friends, but everyone in class was super friendly. Nicole was a very nice person. She didn't deserve this.
She was very pretty, and probably suffering with postpartum. It's so sad because she was at home in her own driveway when she was murdered by a 6'7 monster.
@@loralieisa going home with strangers. what could possibly go wrong.
@@ScreamingEagleFTW I'll bet he played it as "Oh let me drive you home." to dupe her to take a ride with him. As a general rule don't let strangers drive you anywhere.
Emotional control is a critical skill.
We're talking about a female bro......
@@christophertaylor4340you’re absolutely correct. I have a daughter and wife. Emotional control is a critical skill. As a man, it’s your duty to teach those under your cover, if that applies.
Folks, this comment is VERY important!
The more you know 💫...
She behaved badly and stormed of
@@kirstenwright1974 which is crazy. If her boyfriend was taught how to stand up for himself, he could have protected her from herself.
These people shouldn’t be married with kids. They act like high schoolers, not adults.
Right? The one friend saying “she was in my class” like it was last summer 😂 I had to re examine his age I was confused
@@dorisjames3170interpreted that as HS class year like class of 2003
exactly
This was a woman with an infant and two other small children. Get into that situation yourself, then talk about character.
@@lyndagabriel6539Which means that she had no business out partying.
Grateful that Burch has been locked away forever. A damaged person like that has no place in society.
Drinking alcohol has always been dangerous, being a drunk is hazardous to your way of life and survival😢
It's magnitudes worse to be exposed to drunks than to be a drunk. Everyone suffers and the presence of drunks. How is it that there are so many bars in so many towns? In the real world we call those meth houses. If you want to find drugs go to a bar. The activity at a bar is offensive to society, if you stay home and if you want to harm yourself and your family enables you then more power to you, but the public shouldn't be exposed to such behavior.
I use to drink 5 gallons of rum a day
Wisconsites are the biggest drinkers you’ll ever meet.
Yep, very evil 😈 spirit.
@@jessytinsley3285those liquor licenses used to be $250k & my hubby wanted to do that & I said h3ll no! I couldn’t deal with drunks & don’t drink 🚱
Wow, I wasn’t expecting the twist in this case! This is another example of why more and more pre-DNA convictions are being found to be suspect.
Yeah a certain someone named Andy Dufregne comes to mind
His defense was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
Thanks, Groucho!!!
@Tryp-j9d That's hilarious! The sad thing is I'm actually a huge fan and still didn't catch that. I don't know how I didn't. 🤣
She shouldnt had been fighting with him
He knew they had DNA evidence connecting him, so he had to figure out a way to shift blame.
No he was actually very creative in a creepy way 😳 😮
I tell my sisters to NEVER ..EVER.. be alone with a stranger or get into their car, if you do, you've already lost 60% to 70% of your chances if something goes wrong.
How do you know it’s not just 50 - 60 % ?
I tell my brothers to NEVER EVER murder women.
@@andreashaggstromsmart
@@Johntheheadache I keep getting told how “strong & fierce” women are. Are you telling me they aren’t????
💯
If a couple having relationship issues is motive for murder we're all in trouble...
A grown woman with babies has no business getting drunk with strangers
And parents have to get up early with little ones. While they're out playing like teenagers. Poor kids!!
Agreed, but no one deserved to die over it.
@ of course, hence why my statement doesn’t read “ that’s what happens when…..”
Yet she left her first husband because she was “bored” & wanted “more” out of life.
Neither does a grown man then!
200 injuries, just terrible, terrible. Theres about 5 different cautionary tales in this case. 💔
How very sad for her children😢
i didn't even know her and miss her after this. those three kids lost a precious beautiful mom. if you're not the police and just a friend, you need to be an expert diffusing the rage of a furious drunk person.
Poor Nicole never stood a chance against that monster. RIP.
That ho ain't so innocent
well not tricking men into using them as free UBER while wanting absolutely nothing from them also helps...
@kbuss10 ooh a world of pain is coming your way bro😂 although it's been 2hrs and no takers yet!
@@cerealoffender4000 yea cos YT already filtering my comments for legit ppl like you ;)
You weren't there. You have no idea if she was forced to go with him or not@@kbuss10
How terrible, a stranger, criminal comes to a quiet town and kills
He was like a psych rabid animal killing everything in site when he arrived into that area
They said Green bay had a higher violent crime rate than the state as a whole. They have an NFL team. Not really a quiet town.
Brown county is creepy af at night !! It’s quiet but there’s a dangerous silence in the air like you’ll definitely feel paranoid
sure. thats what they do . they find women who just had fights with their boyfriends and not getting along. Then they kill them and guess who they will blame? Right. The boyfriend/husband every time.
Don’t get into a car with strangers!
😢😅except Uber
@@hotellady4033that didn't end well for another lady ☠️
My name is Dorothy
My name is Gump, Forrest Gump
@@jessytinsley3285 ?
Yes and don't keep having babies to guy after guy and then find another guy to help you raise them. Nicole is or was a very selfish egotistical woman and sounded like she never left high school with her "woe is me" dramatic attitude.
my wife stopped drinking because of all this
Wonderful! She’s probably more at peace now?
Mkay
Definitely makes you think about drinking in public. At someone’s house is totally fine.
@@Psychiatricnerdjust don’t drive home afterwards!
She could always drink at home
I live close to this area and remember this case well. Everyone at first assumed it was Doug that killed Nikki. It’s so easy to put innocent people in prison for life, thankfully technology proved otherwise in this case.
Was he not charged with sexuaI assault? Clearly he violated her before killing her. Naked body found typically means the victim was forced into non consensual acts.
How do you know it was nonconsensual? She was a drunk girl mad at her boyfriend. She wouldve slept with anyone probably. Hard to prove.
@ his defense was that the bf had him do it. Once the bf got cleared, you have to look for his motive for killing her. Since her murder scene was that of a SA victim, it’s clear to see his motive was trying to hide the assault he did beforehand. The prosecutors just have a tough time proving it.
@@JanoyCresva If it was consensual, he probably wouldn't have killed her.
I've seen times where is not the case, but it's justca fluke, but...Never Leave The Group. Even if you aren't talking. Stay together.
Sometimes it IS the monster in the night.
Don't get so drunk that your defenses are down. It makes you easy prey.
Or don’t kill people? Why blame the victim
@@janetmiller2297 I don’t think Madlyn is victim blaming but just stating a fact. Unfortunately people are going to kill other people for a variety of reasons. It’s a horrible truth about our species. I wish it wasn’t like that but it is so keeping yourself safe should always be a top priority. When you are intoxicated you are putting yourself at risk depending on the situation.
@@janetmiller2297prob a warning to help people. Not blaming
@@janetmiller2297 Is it victim blaming or cautioning people to be responsible in this cruel world? Damn you people are so fragile and want to be a victim so bad that reasoning sounds like an attack to you guys.
Doug was a bit of a scumbag . Birch was a lifelong criminal monster.
Sad that it had to take a murder to finally lock him up for life.
Yes, but he wasn't wearing the fit bit. 6 steps is unbelievable.
Maybe it's just me, but a couple with 3 kids really doesn't need to be out partying.
they said that they don’t usually party. they just needed a day off to have fun
It’s only a breading ground for disaster. Since she had psychotic tendencies which is probably post pardon from having 3 children. I mean mixing alcohol + mental health and if she was taking prescription pills for mental illness. Alcohol is a depressant
@@YvonneMelvin And where did you get that information?
@ watching shows like these. The women who keep having children and have post pardon some end up killing their children. One in the news, recently, she jumped out the window and became paralyzed, but she drowned her kids. Husband knew she had post pardon
@@YvonneMelvin what has that got to do with this case?
*NEVER talk to Police without an attorney! Yes, they will be upset that you want a lawyer before answering their questions, but it is more than worth it to protect yourself and your rights*
What a story, I live in Wisconsin and don't remember this happening? justice is served
Booze and adderall are the two biggest anger multipliers.
1,000 red flags
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Sorry for the child.
Children. There were three
This was the best defense his lawyers could come up with. Laughably bad.
So very very sad🙏✌️
Never talk to cops without an attorney. Please. Please learn from my mistakes.
Wanna elaborate?
It's one of my nightmares. People don't realize how fragile liberty is. What happened? ~ if you want to share...
If you can’t handle drinking, don’t drink.
Yes, dear.
Are you victim blaming?
@@janetbetts1036 Giving a suggestion is not victim blaming.
or ya know, men shouldn't murder women for literally no reason.
Neither should women weirdo
It’s just a shame that people with violent histories in their youth or any part of their lives are SET FREE. Something needs to change regarding how we retain criminals. They shouldn’t be set free so easily. How many crimes have occurred because the justice system set criminals free? Too many to count !
It's a shame women with children think it's ok to drink and snort drugs....maybe women like that should be locked up too 🤡🤡🤡
@@darkfafnir4389 I agree with that. Or not given chance after chance to have their kids returned to them, only to negatively affect the kids each time with their horrible behavior, and probably breed more
@@darkfafnir4389 the only shame is that humans can't do that as free people on a free planet without worrying about getting SA and merger'd... Yet your ingenious solution to that is maybe we should lock them up too?
Will that help them get their kids to class on time the next day? Because what? she put some things in her body you don't like?
The comment was literally "violent criminals should never get out." And people have no shame in replying, "yea, but how about how the woman with kids at home drank that legal alcohol and took those legal prescription drugs?🤔 She's the real one we should be looking at,"🤯
Drugs don't do crimes, people do. People doing drugs should not be a crime, people doing crimes should be crimes.
It would be a lot easier for courts and the justice system to hold violent criminals accountable for the appropriate length of time if jails were not overcrowded with drug offenders taking up 70% of the space while people who actually will hurt people, and have shown us they will, still walk among us
@@darkfafnir4389 We definitely agree that's something a clown would say. That's the only comment to have won the coveted "Triple Clown"
Kids having kids. What could go wrong?
She was no kid..teacher with 3 children.
What kind of defense is that? Clown. And a coward. Her poor babies.
Defense not Defense, for pity's sake!
@@kyliesbubbie oh no, someone on the internet for who English is not the first language made a mistake. I edited it, FEEL BETTER???
Jealousy is such a chronic sickness 😔.
Another instance of the justice system failing a victim and an innocent person. If he had been convicted for that first murder Nicole would still be alive.
The victim blaming in this thread is disgusting.. idc if she was post partum, mad, drunk n looked like a slut. Her kids were safe and she shouldn’t have been killed. Daf
A lot of it has to do with the way she casually used and threw men away. That’s always going to trigger comments.
Did she deserve to die? No. Did she put herself in a situation where she could get killed? Yes. Is she a smart and responsible person or mom? Nope
being a victim doesn't make the person a saint and pointing out bad decisions and bad behavior is not victim blaming.
Who waits until months after the murder and not say anything
EVIL people!
All this bar hopping, being drunk, getting left behind…..noooooo.
Abuse is not just physical it’s also mental.
I just feel so sorry for her children. To lose their mom like that😢
What a monster , poor Nicole and her kids
Burch simply was not telling the truth. His story as a 6 ft 7 inch man not easily being able to over power another smaller man is fantastic.
He’s still a piece of work.. why would he just leave her.
Aaaaaaahhahahahahahaha
We see you’ve never been accused of crimes against a woman before. When a delusional drunk woman is making a scene against you in public the best thing to do is leave her alone. Wife or not.
If he tried to help her, she would have accused him of abuse 🤔
He tried to help but she was being belligerent and uncooperative. If he continued, he’d have been deemed abusive. So he gave up.
@@MikeSmithJuniorand did
Funny how the killer says he moved because of crime yet he rapes and murders a woman and suspected of other murders
Yes - it seems like a ploy to make himself look like a concerned citizen.
Anti-social personality disorder, among others
It all started with liquid emotion
Didn't wanna raise kids where there was high crime all while he's criminal committing crime
What? Your comment makes no sense
@SunSHINEdiva this guy said he wanted to move somewhere else to have kids because crime was too high where he was from but yet he's a criminal committing crime in the new area he moved to
@@andyluzenski1288 He wanted to move into a fresh market with less competition. Smart.
@@EddieIsGreatlol 😂
So sad 😞
Alcohol consumption
I drink, sometimes get a little merry. I never put myself in dangerous situations.
Is legal
@ never knew.
@@cortney3798 its only legal, because a large number of people can't stay away from it.
@@spiroclimb2523it's legal because it's profitable
My thoughts (since you asked) on the defence's argument: how unlucky would you have to be, to have murdered in your past and be on parole, to happen into the scene where some random guy executes his first murder in an otherwise fairly normal life?
always immediately focusing only on the spouse is lazy investigating.
no it’s not 😂 especially since they were fighting…it’s called crossing your t’s and dotting your i’s….its due diligence to look at every possiblities.
And if they focused instantly on strangers rather than on people she knew off the bat you would still be calling them incompetent; hindsight is 20 20 😊
@@Killthebatman87 "every possibilities." Great grammar 👍
I bet you thought it was him straight off ..??I
This is a few miles away. Don’t remember hearing of this😢 how devastating. RIP Nicki 💜💜💜
Same. I live near Madison and never heard of it. Poor kids without a mom and the abuser has custody of that sweet little boy. So horrible.
Really?! I've heard this several times in different platforms from the other side of the country.
She would be alive if she would have called a cab and gone home to watch her kids.
how do you know she didn’t at first? stop trying to victim blame. of course you look like that💀 disgusting pos
She seems to be much too intoxicated to have any reasonable thoughts. Her “man” should never have left her. Friends should never leave either
She was responsible for her own decisions. Seems she had mental issues
you seem like the type of cold heartless person to blame the victim
@@marilynhendry2061 you must not have a soul to blame the dead girl
The bad choices both Doug and Nicole made that night led to an encounter with a monster. The murderer is fully guilty, but perhaps people need to grow up from partying before they have a child together. Neither had control of their drinking, which ultimately sealed their future that night.
She, in particular, had unresolved emotional issues that came up with the use of alcohol. This type of person should not be drinking, especially in public.
Remember, part of a man's protection, is following his direction. However, these days it's considered abusive. All he could do was beg her.
So… she left her first husband because she wasn’t satisfied with him? So she got bored and ruined a life?
Several lives, in total. Yep.
Many such cases.
Wow.... didnt expect this go were it did... thank goodness the boyfriend wasnt found guilty...
He was a slimeball .
@2msvalkyrie529 and she was a worthless mom...putting men over her kids..
Imagine cheating on your boyfriend and ending up unalived 😬
Imagine your boyfriend leaving you at a concert and not answering your phone calls after you just had his child 🤡
@jcatmeow0902 Well...Dude was tired of chick throwing tantrums....it's just something about blondes and redheads don't know why but they're always cray cray. I avoid them no matter what.
@@jcatmeow0902 Try being unbiased..."Nicole divorced her first husband because she wanted more in life."
Doug got saved when this manipulative lady went bye bye.
@@attorneyscottmiller1429 yeah it sounds like you’re really unbiased 😂
@@jcatmeow0902 I just used a literal quote from the mother of Nicole...you on the other hand made up Doug leaving her at a concert.
She went in a car with close friends to another bar and Doug stayed behind. It is not his fault she couldn't control herself, she was a grown woman with kids at the end of the day.
It is sad to hear that a person accomplishes so much w a high education snd do not have any sense or control over his or her behavior. Once a woman is intoxicated she is easy prey w no control or be able to deffend herself. We hear about this tragedies every day e no end in sight. What are you doing at a bar when you have children to take care of. No self control or discipline. Beter to be alone than in bad company. Condolences to her family, children and loved ones. 🥲
All I see in this kind of stories is a bunch of people carelessly having children. The children are the ones who have to live with such memories, with that blood in their veins.
Right? I've noticed that, too!
The children are too young. They arent going to remember anything in this case since they were infants 👶🏻
@@lionedheart Whether they remember or not, it's going to be rough on them growing up under these circumstances.
@@mojorino1168 Agree with you. It will be rough.
However the original post is about them “living with the memories” what memories exactly are we talking about when the infant is 6 months old?
@@lionedheartthe older two were 10 and 9 at the time. They will always remember that a very bad man killed their mom, and they will never get over that.
Blows my mind how detectives get so laser focused on one person who is giving no signs of being the perp while not working the details or facts of the case - where did she go after she left at 0100, did another bartender or witness see her, what about other video down the street, what about cell phone pings - timeline, what about video between the bars and where they found her body/clothing. The bf was held in jail for 18 days but never charged. What a crock
From the first call to police his voice says it all!
Doug is a slim ball, but not a murder
Love how he puts a sharp knife facing down in a plastic bag haha
Why do these young people hop around making one family after another these days, like it's nothing?. Don't men know about vasectomies anymore???
Don't women control their wombs?
Terrible case but yikes , she broke up her family because she was bored ? Smh..Douggy boy had no intention of marrying her but guess the emotional drama filled rollercoaster was more appealing than boring stability..even with kids in tow
yup she basically got herself killed
That’s what I say. She practically had everything: husband, children, and a career.
@MP-nj1qy. Sounds like a nightmare brought on by nonthinking adults who don't know each other and can't find a condom
Such a sad situation. This really highlights how important it is to look out for our loved ones when they seem stressed or in difficult relationships. Do you think there were any warning signs leading up to this?
That poor, foolish woman. She put a giant target on her back without even realizing it. If only the friend dragged her away instead of relenting when she threw a drunken temper tantrum.
The bystanders would have tackled him for stopping her from leaving. She was throwing herself on the ground and screaming and people noticed, so he backed off. He continued to talk to her, but she walked off and ignored him. 🤦♀️
The crime happened right in her neighborhood. So much for these suburban neighborhood watch. Poor Nicole RIP so sad
An innocent victim had to be killed for him to go to jail for life. He should have been behind bars long time ago.
Pregnant after only one month after meeting him... and moved in with him after this short time with her children.....then the story with this guy who murderrd her.....she seems to had made one bad decision after a baf decision after a bad decicion!!!
Anyway R.IP.
If someone has this many run ins with the law and violates his parole by moving to another state raises a lot of red flags.
Talkabout Twist and Turns 😮. Sadly i wish the sister could have handled things differently so she could still be around for the baby 😢
How though? She shouldn't have to put herself in harm's way.
The Wicked are all around us in our beautiful world 🌍 Praying 🙇🏻♂️ for this lady’s family and her children.🙏🏻
She could be wicked too you don't know her
@@WaVotrexI do and she's not
@@WaVotrex I agree
@@aliciacarstensen7904 I don't get how you knows that but ok logic out of the window so we going automatically assume she not wicked lol ok
@@Channel24377 ok incel
maybe don't yell out into the night, "you're a babe in the woods"
😂 I don’t know how he said that without laughing.
Goes to show how many people were wrongly jailed
Yikes. This is where I live and I've been to this bar lots of times. Idk how I haven't heard of this case!! This poor woman. :(
Brittany be careful! Green Bay has a seedy underbelly and law enforcement is as corrupt as anywhere in the US.
Protect yourself girl!
The bots are out and about in this comment section🏁 rip to this girl
so true
Bots?
I haven't seen any on this video
Ignore your friends offer to help, leave your boyfriend at the bar and your 3 kids at home, go to drink / flirt with a stranger to get back at your boyfriend then get into his car only to get assaulted and killed. This lady wasn't very smart, was she?
Nice victim blaming, loser. You’re not too intelligent and educated are you? No. No you’re not. (Oh and that was a rhetorical question by the way, I know you’ll have to look up what rhetorical means.) 😂
Why not blame the monster who did this?!?! You don’t like woman and mothers do you?
I guess she was used to always doing as she pleased, some pretty privilege there
well she is a teacher....80% possible democrat...not known to have brain cells to rub together
Another old episode! And another man that almost went away for life who was innocent. Its so sad so many people locked up and even on deathrow that are innocent!
Based on his reaction she acted like that (a train wreck) often.
As soon as I notice any of my girlfriends acting “drunk” I stop drinking. We watch each other like hawks, come together, leave together. But having a 2 drink minimum is always the safest bet.. along side staying home.
I didn’t like the boyfriend. Don’t make him a killer, though.
Well Doug got out of that relationship just like he wanted
Should jave never gotten into ne with her sfter she got pregnant not even knowing him a few weeks...All sje wanted was fun in her life. So why have kids then??
All I feel sorry for are the little kids keft behind.
Single mothers, unless widowed, are red flags.
@@fredajordan5704 This lady was 100% a user and manipulative towards men...she thought she could use her magic to get a free ride and it backfired. drunk or not
I was the babysitter - this day lives forever in my mind - we understand that George violently did this, but from my conversations with him that night and the next day, I know the boyfriend isn’t innocent either. When on trial I was not allowed to speak about the boyfriend at all. So a bit of information has been left out.
Very upsetting story. A woman goes out for some fun with her friends. It ends with chaos and she never came home again.
Doug reminds me of Scott Peterson. Ladies, stay out of the bars! and if you go, never ever leave alone!
How nice of him to leave his girlfriend and not answer her calls. She’d be alive if she wasn’t in a relationship with this clown
She accepted a ride from a stranger of her own discord.
@@silverjeyjey4054sadly
@@silverjeyjey4054 Exactly, I don't think its fair to blame him for her DEATH. he was a pos but he's not the one who killed her.
Maybe he was sick & tired of her drama-queen behavior? Maybe she cried wolf one too many times?
@@Mark-gg6iywhy all you incels here calm down
The really disgusting thing is there's some women out there that will be his pen pal and fall in love with the guy.
Doug gotta stop drinking.
If he was so broke that he couldn’t pay a $100/week rent, how does the family got $269,000 from him. It didn’t sound like he had any assets. That’s confusing.
If he writes a book about the murder he won't profit from the proceeds.
The culture of peace, intelligence and productivity strikes again... 😤😤😤
I remember this case! It wasn’t the boyfriend
Bars and alcohol! One of societies greatest messes!
I could tell from the beginning that it was not the boyfriend and when I watch the real killer on the stand I knew that he was the actual killer.