PLEASE read the description of this video! You will find more technical information and the correct pricing of the Sinn 717 in other countries than Germany. I am looking forward reading your comments and answering your questions...
Fantastic watch, the mirror effect is amazing. It's too expensive really, the price point should be below €4000. Enjoyed your through description, not many reviewers get wet!
Another beautiful piece. A well executed and solid aspect. I think a tool watch that could last with you the whole life as well. Thank you one more time Herr Alexander! Saludos!!!
The 717 could be ones lifetime tool watch indeed … being 200 meters water resistant ist is ready to almost anywhere with you… thanks for your feedback and for sharing our passion with us…
Impressive review of this really unique and, in many respects, quite astonishing watch. Congratulations to Sinn for making this beautiful and technically highly accomplished watch ! Great job, Alexander ! Great job ! Well done !
I am happy to read this, thank you! The 717 impressed me! It is huge and still fits fine on the wrist… readability of actual and elapsed time couldn’t be better… I own a 757 UTC for years now and that watch has become one of my favorites …
As a pilot in a job that doesn't require a uniform anymore, this is particularly attractive. Especially if you're shooting approaches. Nice, BIG, backup timing element. Looks great, clearly almost entirely scratch proof...nice in a tight cockpit environment. Fun, effective, purposeful watch. I like it on the leather.
Outstanding review Alexander 👏👏👏 When Sinn announced the 717, I was immediately attracted to it.❤️ Currently own EZM9, T1, T1B & 836. The 717 would be a great addition to my humble Sinn collection 🍻
Thank you! 😉 A nice little collection you have… Bravo! May all your Sinn watches always show you HAPPY seconds, minutes and hours…. In case you add the 717 to your collection let us know and please share some thoughts with us…
Thank you for reviewing this gem! I am convinced to buy one. Hopefully this it the my last watch to buy. I want it because I can use it for developing film. That timer is perfect for it. Thank you !
Amazing AR treatment for excellent readability, 47mm lug to lug is also wrist friendly to certain extent. My opinion on the date- could be removed to have 3 on the dial and move Sinn logo to below 12, add silicone hairspirng to address the 60Gauss shortcoming. Nevertheless, I would get one when available. Great review, love the outdoors footages and in water shot to bring justice to the 200m WR. Happy summer time Alexander.
Very good remarks! Thanks for sharing! The patents for the silicon hairsprings will end 2022 and 2023 ... only then others then Patek Philippe, Rolex, the Swatch Group and Ulysse Nardin can start using this innovative technology ...
@ 20:00 Quickset date (crown position 2) Do not use this function between 9 p.m. and 3 a.m. Crown position 2 can be used to change the date quickly and simply. To set the date, pull the crown to the second position and turn it clockwise until the current date appears in the display window. Please do not use the date setting function between 9 p.m. and 3 a.m. Between these times, the gear wheels used for changing the date are engaged, and the movement could be damaged.
Jup. Some manuals simple state not to set the date at all whenever the hour hand is in the upper half, but if you have been running it for a while and you know it's indicating 10am rather than pm there is absolutely no harm.
Very nice watch and interesting video! I really like central minutes chronograph (I’m actually ver puzzled not more makers are doing them (I also know of Damasko and Tutima). I have the Sinn EZM10 myself, and just love this functionality! Only thing with this is I would like to have a 1-12 option on the bezel (like you can on a Damasko). I really think they gor it right with that bold minute counter hand!
I really like Sinn, they make excellent tool watches. What keeps me from buying one...thickness. They are too tall for my liking. Great breakdown as always. What I like best about your videos, the excitement you have when presenting regardless of brand. One can easily tell you enjoy watches, all of the. You make not like them all, but you present them all in a favorable light. I'd be curious to see your own personal collection and what you liked about the ones you got for yourself.
Thank you very much for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! 😉 ... I have been asked several times to present my private collection ... I will not do this for many personal reasons ... one of them is of course also security ... I am sure you understand this ...
@@WatchAdvisor I applaud anyone who can pull it off but for me it's too big. I love the Sinn U50! 500 meter water resistance in a case as slim as 11mm is an incredible achievement of engineering.
Nice review, as always! Like this new model very much with the center minute and seconds display in chrono mode. I have a Sinn 156 with the old Lemania 5100 which is the same display. Is this the same movement and module that Sinn uses on the some of their other watches? Like you I am surprised that They provide more anti-magnetism protection but I guess it would be a pretty big watch if It had an iron cage added. Thanks for a complete review.
It is the new calibre (Concepto = Valjoux 7750) plus the module for the central second and minute hand designed by Sinn... Adding a soft iron inner case would in fact blow the 717 further up and make almost unwearable ...
A great review Alexander. I love the chrono execution and the readability of the watch. I think the nearest watch I have for chrono readability in low light is the previous Omega Seamaster 300 chrono (Valjoux 7753 heavily modified movement) that also had lume on all chrono hands including the hour although arguably less readable at a glance as the Sinn. As a tool watch it works well also. I would be interested into the pressure resistance service intervals for service given the rotating outer bezel that looks to using friction on 'O' rings although I have no idea as to how this may be done with modern engineering techniques. Thoughts welcome. Oh and I'd probably dispense with the date complication.
This one is a real 'knee-slapper' from Sinn. Hilarious styling from 2002 served with a super thick, thick, thick side of ugly. This isn't an 'everyday' watch, it's a 'neverday' watch. Swing and a miss from Sinn. Who was asking for this watch?.....NOBODY! Great work as always, Alexander, unfortunately even your hard work can't save this 'World's Ugliest Paperweight'. OOOPSSS! I forgot to point out the elephant in the room. This watch doesn't flatter the wrist, it insults it.
Sinn is my fav brand- I have the new anniversary II and the Sinn UX - all black- red band (the watch that you were talking about with the oil) . Love them both but the anniversary is my fav watch in my entire collection hands down. Everything works -the size, the all black, white chrono, orange/red hands. Just amazing. The only problem I have with the 717 is the thickness - it seems like it would never fit under a shirt cuff right?
Very good AR coating and accommodating lug to lug. Thick watch but I understand it’s the calibre. The date window is ridiculous and a waste. Superb review as always.
Thanks for your feedback and for sharing our passion! I agree with the date window and the date function... It is this "old" thinking that a watch needs a date function ... I personally think though it is obsolete today ...
@@WatchAdvisor The bracelet,,,,something if possible....like the stainless quick fit stainless steel link and black bracelet for the Seiko dive watches. Concerning the crown....thanks for the advise... your advise is always appreciated by us newbies ;-)
Thanks for this review of this distinctive chronograph. One question: what is the quality of the pushers? It doesn't seem like there's a snap. Is it mushy?
@WatchAdvisor I have a similar size wrist than yours. With which strap would you recommend buying the watch. Rubber or leather? Cheers. And your content is awesome. You're the only one reviewikg this gem
Still thinking about it. I know life is too short so I should just get it. I am worried about jumbo prong around under the rotating glass. Also worry stout tallness of watch which I will hit something all the time…,,,
Well, tastes are different! The lug-to-lug distance is reasonable … even though the watch is thick and big I liked it on my wrist and these 24 mm … no problem for me 🤷🏻♂️
You mention 3000 times that the watch is 200 meters waterproof! Ok, it’s understood. But you almost didn’t say anything about the movement: Is it COSC approved or not? From which basic movement derives? Does it have any certified shock resistance? Does it have a high/low temperature range (-45 C° / + 80 C°) resistance like other Sinn watches? You rightly mention that the 717 has the antimagnetisch protection of 6400 A/m required by DIN 8309, which is insufficient for a Flieger of this category: in fact, other Sinn model offer the much higher antimagnetisch protection of 80.000 A/m (16 times more!), and such a watches have a price almost 50% less than the 717 ! - you also did not mention the very high quality of the case (signed on the side at 6 o’clock by the famous brand SUG (Sächsische Uhren Technologie) certified and awarded DIN EN ISO 9002. I really hope that the Sinn 717 may have such a features in a possible “mark II” modell in the near future (expecially the 80.000 A/m antimagnetisch protection) considering its price of more than 5000 euro. Many thanks for the video!
Mate your English is fantastic but "readability" is not the word to be useing "legeability" (incorrect spelling) is the proper word to use. Cheers me dear.
PLEASE read the description of this video! You will find more technical information and the correct pricing of the Sinn 717 in other countries than Germany. I am looking forward reading your comments and answering your questions...
Fantastic watch, the mirror effect is amazing. It's too expensive really, the price point should be below €4000. Enjoyed your through description, not many reviewers get wet!
Another amazing review. Thank you Alexander. Your videos are always a lesson! Regards
Thank you! My pleasure!
Thank you so much for your comprehensive and as always balanced with the right amount of humorous wit, review. Of a watch I’ve been obsessing over!
My pleasure! Thank you for your appreciation and wonderful feedback! Please let me know if you have any questions...
Another beautiful piece. A well executed and solid aspect. I think a tool watch that could last with you the whole life as well.
Thank you one more time Herr Alexander!
Saludos!!!
The 717 could be ones lifetime tool watch indeed … being 200 meters water resistant ist is ready to almost anywhere with you… thanks for your feedback and for sharing our passion with us…
If they made this smaller like 40mm, this watch would be epic.
Impossible! calibre + module + technology applied need space ...
@@WatchAdvisor I understand that. It was wishful thinking.
Sinn could have used the Lemania 5100 instead ... I don't know if they still have some on stock and/or a source to buy this historic calibre ...
@@WatchAdvisor what is damasko using in their dc80, dc86 etc?
@@mentalplane Yes!
Impressive review of this really unique and, in many respects, quite astonishing watch. Congratulations to Sinn for making this beautiful and technically highly accomplished watch ! Great job, Alexander ! Great job ! Well done !
I am happy to read this, thank you! The 717 impressed me! It is huge and still fits fine on the wrist… readability of actual and elapsed time couldn’t be better… I own a 757 UTC for years now and that watch has become one of my favorites …
Another great model from Sinn.
Yes, love the fact that it is WR 200 meters...
@@WatchAdvisor at first glance i thought it was a GMT. Didn't notice the chrono pushers.
Looks like - yes!
As a pilot in a job that doesn't require a uniform anymore, this is particularly attractive. Especially if you're shooting approaches. Nice, BIG, backup timing element. Looks great, clearly almost entirely scratch proof...nice in a tight cockpit environment. Fun, effective, purposeful watch. I like it on the leather.
Thanks for sharing our passion and commenting as a pilot! Feedback coming from professionals is always the best we can get ...
Love this one! Thanks for covering Sinn and another thorough review.
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback!
Thank you, never saw this watch until now.
Where are you based?
Outstanding review Alexander 👏👏👏
When Sinn announced the 717, I was immediately attracted to it.❤️ Currently own EZM9, T1, T1B & 836. The 717 would be a great addition to my humble Sinn collection 🍻
Thank you! 😉 A nice little collection you have… Bravo! May all your Sinn watches always show you HAPPY seconds, minutes and hours…. In case you add the 717 to your collection let us know and please share some thoughts with us…
I’ve always had a sneaky admiration for Sinn watches, especially their chronographs. There’s something about that that’s just ‘right’.
Love your comment! Especially like that ... "There’s something about that that’s just ‘right’." Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for reviewing this gem! I am convinced to buy one. Hopefully this it the my last watch to buy. I want it because I can use it for developing film. That timer is perfect for it. Thank you !
Bravo, go for it, keep us posted and let me know if you any questions...
Amazing AR treatment for excellent readability, 47mm lug to lug is also wrist friendly to certain extent. My opinion on the date- could be removed to have 3 on the dial and move Sinn logo to below 12, add silicone hairspirng to address the 60Gauss shortcoming. Nevertheless, I would get one when available. Great review, love the outdoors footages and in water shot to bring justice to the 200m WR. Happy summer time Alexander.
Very good remarks! Thanks for sharing! The patents for the silicon hairsprings will end 2022 and 2023 ... only then others then Patek Philippe, Rolex, the Swatch Group and Ulysse Nardin can start using this innovative technology ...
@ 20:00
Quickset date (crown position 2)
Do not use this function between 9 p.m. and 3 a.m. Crown position 2 can
be used to change the date quickly and simply.
To set the date, pull the crown to the second position and turn it clockwise
until the current date appears in the display window.
Please do not use the date setting function between 9 p.m. and
3 a.m. Between these times, the gear wheels used for changing the date are
engaged, and the movement could be damaged.
The watch was set to 10:10 a.m. ! So why worry??
Jup. Some manuals simple state not to set the date at all whenever the hour hand is in the upper half, but if you have been running it for a while and you know it's indicating 10am rather than pm there is absolutely no harm.
Nice piece 👏☺️
I am happy to read this!
Very nice watch and interesting video! I really like central minutes chronograph (I’m actually ver puzzled not more makers are doing them (I also know of Damasko and Tutima). I have the Sinn EZM10 myself, and just love this functionality! Only thing with this is I would like to have a 1-12 option on the bezel (like you can on a Damasko). I really think they gor it right with that bold minute counter hand!
Thanks for sharing and your positive feedback!
I really like Sinn, they make excellent tool watches. What keeps me from buying one...thickness. They are too tall for my liking.
Great breakdown as always. What I like best about your videos, the excitement you have when presenting regardless of brand. One can easily tell you enjoy watches, all of the. You make not like them all, but you present them all in a favorable light. I'd be curious to see your own personal collection and what you liked about the ones you got for yourself.
Thank you very much for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! 😉 ... I have been asked several times to present my private collection ... I will not do this for many personal reasons ... one of them is of course also security ... I am sure you understand this ...
of course...
@@inkeduped5005 Thank you! What I can tell though is that there are many interesting chronographs in my collection and that I collect Speedmaster …
Sinn is all about no nonsense 👌
Yes, yes, yes and again yes!!! So true!
A have to admit as a Swiss: I am a huge fan of the German brands Sinn, Stowa and Nomos.
Why not? All brands delivering serious watchmaking deserve respect...
Finally a Sinn watch. By far the best brand that doesn't use in-house movements.
Which Sinn is your favorite one? What about the 717?
@@WatchAdvisor I applaud anyone who can pull it off but for me it's too big. I love the Sinn U50! 500 meter water resistance in a case as slim as 11mm is an incredible achievement of engineering.
I hear you! Yes, that U50 is pretty impressive… Do you own it?
@@WatchAdvisor I don't own the base model but the 500 piece limited mother of pearl black version.
Nice! Interesting combination! May your Sinn always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours!
Nice review, as always! Like this new model very much with the center minute and seconds display in chrono mode. I have a Sinn 156 with the old Lemania 5100 which is the same display. Is this the same movement and module that Sinn uses on the some of their other watches? Like you I am surprised that They provide more anti-magnetism protection but I guess it would be a pretty big watch if It had an iron cage added.
Thanks for a complete review.
It is the new calibre (Concepto = Valjoux 7750) plus the module for the central second and minute hand designed by Sinn... Adding a soft iron inner case would in fact blow the 717 further up and make almost unwearable ...
A great review Alexander. I love the chrono execution and the readability of the watch. I think the nearest watch I have for chrono readability in low light is the previous Omega Seamaster 300 chrono (Valjoux 7753 heavily modified movement) that also had lume on all chrono hands including the hour although arguably less readable at a glance as the Sinn. As a tool watch it works well also. I would be interested into the pressure resistance service intervals for service given the rotating outer bezel that looks to using friction on 'O' rings although I have no idea as to how this may be done with modern engineering techniques. Thoughts welcome. Oh and I'd probably dispense with the date complication.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! I will pass on your question to Sinn and ask them to answer directly ...
@@WatchAdvisor Thank you Alexander, much appreciated.
@@WatchAdvisor see our answer above. Thank you for your great review and many greetings from #sinncity Frankfurt!
With the bezel the watch is sealed and that with radial-pressure grouting. We hope this helps. Greetings from Frankfurt!
@@sinnspezialuhren7951 Thank you very much for your response. Very much appreciated.
What is the size of the wrist shown in the pictures? I need to calibrate how big this watch is! Thanks.
17 cm / 6,7 in
This is a beautiful watch only for collectors.
Why only for collectors? Why not also for aficionados?
This one is a real 'knee-slapper' from Sinn. Hilarious styling from 2002 served with a super thick, thick, thick side of ugly. This isn't an 'everyday' watch, it's a 'neverday' watch. Swing and a miss from Sinn. Who was asking for this watch?.....NOBODY! Great work as always, Alexander, unfortunately even your hard work can't save this 'World's Ugliest Paperweight'. OOOPSSS! I forgot to point out the elephant in the room. This watch doesn't flatter the wrist, it insults it.
Tastes are different! 😉 Thanks for sharing our passion! It is all about emotions …
There you go! Total contrast to the other comment… as I stated there: tastes are different!
Sinn is my fav brand- I have the new anniversary II and the Sinn UX - all black- red band (the watch that you were talking about with the oil) . Love them both but the anniversary is my fav watch in my entire collection hands down. Everything works -the size, the all black, white chrono, orange/red hands. Just amazing. The only problem I have with the 717 is the thickness - it seems like it would never fit under a shirt cuff right?
No, that watch will not fit under a shirt cuff… But the question is do you really want to wear the watch with such an outfit?
Very good AR coating and accommodating lug to lug. Thick watch but I understand it’s the calibre. The date window is ridiculous and a waste.
Superb review as always.
Thanks for your feedback and for sharing our passion! I agree with the date window and the date function... It is this "old" thinking that a watch needs a date function ... I personally think though it is obsolete today ...
A very nice watch. Available in Oz $8120. Personally I would like to see it with a black bracelet and a larger crown. Great size :-)
What kind of black bracelet? A larger crown would reduce the actual good handling of start/stop and reset though ...
@@WatchAdvisor The bracelet,,,,something if possible....like the stainless quick fit stainless steel link and black bracelet for the Seiko dive watches.
Concerning the crown....thanks for the advise... your advise is always appreciated by us newbies ;-)
Alexander- great job as always - quick one , would you be visiting the Omega facility in October ? I got an invitation from my AD
Thank you! Don't know yet if I will be in Biel in October... Could be - yes... When are you going to be there?
Thanks for this review of this distinctive chronograph. One question: what is the quality of the pushers? It doesn't seem like there's a snap. Is it mushy?
What exactly do you mean? How the haptic is when you start/stop/reset the chronograph or how these pusher feel on your finger tips?
@WatchAdvisor I have a similar size wrist than yours. With which strap would you recommend buying the watch. Rubber or leather? Cheers. And your content is awesome. You're the only one reviewikg this gem
Rubber, no doubt… Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback!
@@WatchAdvisor many thanks Alexander. This may be the one to get after I complete my PhD
I think the watch would have looked even nicer without the date, and a smaller case size
Probably, yes ... It is this "old" thinking that a watch needs a date function ... I personally think though it is obsolete today ...
Still thinking about it. I know life is too short so I should just get it. I am worried about jumbo prong around under the rotating glass. Also worry stout tallness of watch which I will hit something all the time…,,,
Ist there a chance that you try it on your wrist or did you meanwhile buy it?
360 DM for a 103????? What year is that from?
With the introduction of the Euro watch prices almost doubled and then they continued to get more expensive every year...
Great watch but too big for me.
I have a tissot 1343 and I love it, underrated!
Impossible to make it smaller/thinner! Calibre + module + SINN technology applied simply need space ...
@@WatchAdvisor I think that sinn can be everything. probably the dimension is a conscious choice. at the and of the day pilot watch suppose to be big
Awesome watch, shame about the thickness and dial size.
Impossible to make it slimmer/thinner! Calibre + module + technology applied simply need space ...
should have been Flyback to be really attractive
I really like the watch but I can't buy it with such a wide 24mm lug width. Would look so much better with 20mm or even 22mm but not 24mm.
Well, tastes are different! The lug-to-lug distance is reasonable … even though the watch is thick and big I liked it on my wrist and these 24 mm … no problem for me 🤷🏻♂️
@@WatchAdvisor super watch, I like it, but I know the strap width is too wide for me.
You mention 3000 times that the watch is 200 meters waterproof!
Ok, it’s understood.
But you almost didn’t say anything about the movement:
Is it COSC approved or not?
From which basic movement derives?
Does it have any certified shock resistance?
Does it have a high/low temperature range (-45 C° / + 80 C°) resistance like other Sinn watches?
You rightly mention that the 717 has the antimagnetisch protection of 6400 A/m required by DIN 8309, which is insufficient for a Flieger of this category: in fact, other Sinn model offer the much higher antimagnetisch protection of 80.000 A/m (16 times more!), and such a watches have a price almost 50% less than the 717 !
- you also did not mention the very high quality of the case (signed on the side at 6 o’clock by the famous brand SUG (Sächsische Uhren Technologie) certified and awarded DIN EN ISO 9002.
I really hope that the Sinn 717 may have such a features in a possible “mark II” modell in the near future (expecially the 80.000 A/m antimagnetisch protection) considering its price of more than 5000 euro.
Many thanks for the video!
Really? Well...
Like other commenters, I love the execution, functionality, and aesthetics of this watch but it is much too large for my needs.
The Sinn technology and the caliber used need some space ... Still you should try the watch ones on your wrist ... you never know ... 😉
Not into it.
But great job as usual 🌴🏄🏻♂️😎🌎🥃🏌🏽♂️🇺🇸
Tastes are different - of course ... Thank you for sharing our passion!
Great looking watch, but too massive for me. I will stick with my Sinn 155.
Which one do you own? The 155 Manufactum or 155 Revolution?
@@WatchAdvisor the 155 Revolution
@@jimf5160 Congratulations! May your Sinn always show you happy seconds, minutes and hours!
@@WatchAdvisor Thank you! Keep up the great videos.
@@jimf5160 We will! Thanks for sharing our passion!
Mate your English is fantastic but "readability" is not the word to be useing "legeability" (incorrect spelling) is the proper word to use. Cheers me dear.
Thanks for your input! Both words, legibility and readability, can be used to express what I wanted to say… differences are negligible… 😉
Watch is great ...not liking the rubber strap at all
It is massive and quite thick - yes! The best is to try it... only the you will know...
@@WatchAdvisor Oh I have NO Problem loving that watch ;) just with a different strap