@@Mistersupaflybro what r u talking about… the games combat was built on the old game greatly in pre much every way, the games combat was much more complex than the first games so if u are calling SM2 combat boring and repetitive than you are saying that about SM1 aswell but even more since the first games combat is even more simple… so tell me how it was repetitive and boring.
@@Thebatman.0000 yea dude still boring and puts me to sleep. button mashing nonsense. WOS still better. hell even the beenox games were better in combat.
It’s been confirmed the Sony made Insomniac cut down on the final act, along with other large parts of the story so they would have a 2023 PlayStation exclusive. That’s probably a big reason why it didn’t exactly own up to the first.
Its also could be because of the Fans pressure, like we were gonna press Sony for releasing it way late and then pressing the game a little bit. because it lacked some features.
@@therealkayoriyeah I think he should’ve had more scenes to make harry hate him and then when he finally gets venom we have the “WE’RE POISONED TO PETER PARKER AND SPIDER-MAN. WE’RE VENOM!” scene and then Peter gets his ass whooped and in the game we see harry have moments fucking with Peter in the city and some boss fights before the final boss and before Peter gets anti venom. the traditional venom along with more time would’ve made this game PERFECT. (I also think the symbiote invasion was good and should’ve been left in but with more time to develop instead of going so fast)
Makes sense as I always felt like the last act was missing at least half the content we were given, also the barely any side content compared to the first game, but the rest was overall good imo, a good 7/10 from me, would’ve easily been an 8 if the story was longer and prob a 9 if it also had more side content, maybe DLC will change that IF they drop any, I’m kind of more interested in the Venom game they’re now making and the wolverine game that’s been getting leaked very badly lately, from what I’ve seen
@@ewanramsay3365 Yeah the whole game was a mess Story was rushed Most the side missions just sucked and had 0 fun value to them, a couple you do generic tasks at a college that are just boring, you go around in one as a blind chick doing spray-painting, mj missions you can 2 tap symbiotes that it takes a full combo to kill as a superhuman. There were 3 main villains Lizard Kraven Venom only one that felt done decent was Kraven, Lizard and Venom felt to rushed to really feel impactful. Anybody who says this is GOTY is either Naive or massively coping game dropped the ball hard and as a die hard spider-man fan I was very disappointed,. I set my bar to be better then Web of Shadows when it came to the symbiote and it let me down massively.
@@oneautumnleaf2622 yeah I remember watching a playthrough of web of shadows.(because I can't find my game fml) before the release of spiderman 2. And I thought it was going to hit the same as wos or atleast be better in a way but nope I was disappointed with it when I played it. I agree with pretty much all you said and wished it was better and had more to offer. But I didn't know it was only 3 days with the symbiote I thought that it was way longer even though it all felt rushed. Hopefully we can have a better spiderman game with the next one but with the way insomniac is looking with all the canceled dlc that would have been amazing it's not looking very promising unfortunately
@@ewanramsay3365 I think the biggest red flag of the second game was how Bryan (Creative Director) Responded to the critics of MJ Missions he literally said I don't give a shit That alone should have told me where there priority's were at honestly, the fact they cut actual superhero stuff for more MJ missions is embarrassing the fact they cut Symbiotes invading the Daily Bugle for a MJ FPS Missions is so stupid to me. Game was a letdown and I set my bar at web of shadows which isnt even that high to begin with since the only good thing about the game was the combat.
@oneautumnleaf2622 yeah the mj missions were the probably the worst and most unnecessary thing about the game. And it hurts even more knowing that there will be no story dlc even after all this time. Yeah really disappointing
You read my mind, there's literally no point in the whole symbiote arc if in the end peter just convenently gets the same exact powers without any of the draw backs..
Here's the issue. People spent 5 years wanting the next spiderman game to have the Symbiote suit. It makes sense why they felt the need to add it in after hyping it up for 2 games
In my opinion, there were way too many Easter eggs. Scream, Anti-Venom, especially Cindy Moon. We didn't need another spider person when they couldn't even tie Miles into the storyline in a believable way.
They did follow Anti-Venom’s comic origin story almost exactly as it was written though. Eddie Brock is dying of cancer after the Venom symbiote left him when he encounters Mr. Negative who charges the remaining symbiote left inside of Eddie, it bonds with his white blood cells and starts healing Eddie without the mind altering side effects the venom symbiote had. Only difference is it’s Harry here and not cancer.
Miles ruined being the real anti venom is what broke the game. He literally dosent do shit except be a more powerful Spider-Manmaking Peter’s resolution feel subpar cuz miles literally saves the day like 5-6 times.
Thank goodness I wasn’t the only one who felt this way about the game, I was so disappointed in this game from being such a big fan of the first 2 installments.
The fact that you fight kraven as black suit spiderman in the same night as you fight kraven as venom is crazy to me, there shouldve been some missions between those fights and also give some more motivation and cook up kraven's character
This game made me realise that the Arkham Trilogy will never be topped. Edit: Stop saying quadrilogy and read my reply were I explain why I call it a trilogy.
Because they didn't try to cover two people's character arcs in a game that's supposed to star Peter solely Like bro, imagine if in the middle of fighting Ra's Al Ghul or someone else, Robin starts complaining about his "college essay"
@@ccelite3782 rs. arkham was a lot more focused and clearly had a plan, story, and ending set from its inception. there is literally details from arkham asylum that hinted at events from arkham knight, details from arkham city that hinted at events in arkham knight as well such as scarecrow developing his new fear toxin and getting rid of the mask, jasons reveal etc. it wasn't executed the best by any means but it was at least planned, focused, and it seemed like they knew were they wanted to take the story from the get go or at the very minimum it felt like that. insomniacs Spiderman's story feels like they made shit up along the way just throwing out random ideas without considering how it will fit in the overall narrative
@@ccelite3782let’s not act like Arkham knight had the perfect conclusion if insomniac delivers with Spider-Man 3 it would be on par with the Arkham trilogy
Whats the point of peter overcoming the adiction of the symbiote if he needs another suit (anti-venom) to win, instead of sheer willpower. The whole black suit message just isnt there. He didnt even reject it and needed miles help.
The lack of side content hit pretty hard too it’s extremely easy to rush through the story, because the pacing is pretty intense too, you always feel like u need to rush to the next story mission I would of appreciated a little more time as symbiote Peter and even a few side missions only available while having the symbiote
Well what was the side content in spiderman 2018? It was either generic fetch quests or web swing to a location and beat up some guys. In a game where most of the story missions already have you beating up guys
@@frogglen6350I mean techniqually thats all the action games in general soo your point is litereally non existent :/ the dialogues make a game and 2018 had really good side missions most people just didnt play them cause they wanted to play the main story.
I may be the first one to say this but marvels Spider-Man 2 has really died out since release man. Feels like this game went 2 steps back compared to the first game. Swinging/ combat wise they taken stuffs out which angered me and also they didn’t go beyond in that aspect. The game has been out for 7 MONTHS….. and still no dlc and ppl wonder why the game is dying. I got bored of this game cuz it didn’t have that replay value like it did the first gam. Also another reason why this game is dead is cuz the symbiote plays the exact same way as the other regular suits (apart from surge) but outside of that it’s the same combat/ dodge/ swing animations and the finishers… you can’t even morph into the symbiote in the game🤦🏾♂️ it don’t feel different when wearing it cuz it doesn’t play different. Insomniac really let me down
It's a trash game for me. Gameplay was barely touched. It was already very repetitive but they thought just adding arcady style special moves would make us happy maybe dumb dumbs but not people who actually like to play their games instead of watch interactive movie which is most Sony titles currently. Swinging as well is bad. I still can't do what older games let us do effortlessly. I swing near a wall and now I have to wall run when I don't want to as well as some other things. Mj has more play time than venom etc. Symbiote experience is bad and turned out be just a suit after intihar said he didn't wanna just add it as a suit in the first game. 6.5/10
@@Owen-sx4jj so so disappointed. I was more disappointed gameplay wise. What I expected it wasn’t in the game. You’d think Peter being spidey for almost a decade would have developed creative ways to fight his enemies, double or triple takedowns, environmental takedowns but no.
@Pobaika really bro u hater its the best game u guys will never be happy on any game go make your own good game but unfortunately your still using fidee🎉😂😂😂
They proudly worked with Sweet Baby Inc for the story and it really shows. Its embarrassingly safe, low tension, coperate slop with a fucking advertisement forced into the main story at the end, apparently the og comic writers from the 1st game didn't work on this one and it really suffers from it.
I hated everything about anti-venom in the game simply because it makes all the stuff I liked about the symbiote less cool and I mean everything from the name of the abilities to icon that goes with them.
Thank you. It made the symbiote feel a lot less special because you never totally lose it when losing it is integral to every symbiote spider-man story.
@@Sagegabsthey do tho, they were doing a symbiote story based off addiction and stuck with it as even when you stop the addiction it's still part of you, smoking for example. If you smoke and then stop smoking your lungs are still bad now because of you smoking. Same with the symbiote
@@shaunavant532I understand the addiction part and I totally agree, what I mean is that the writers don't know anything about Venom and what it represents. The web of shadows/king in black makes no sense in this game since the Venom symbiote has not evolved enough. At least I would've kept the story more street level, less world domination.
@Sagegabs then it wouldn't hit as hard, and it was more city level then world level as when we look at the map he has taken over less than half the city with tendrils. I think he specifically chose that spot
I liked the game but there was so many missed opportunities story was rushed the university mission's suck and i skip cutscenes now to get to the good parts of the game
3:13 The issue (in my opinion) is the fact that the actress doesn’t look ANYTHING like that, even after the surgery she had done. This new MJ looks suspiciously like one of the female writers who works at Insomniac however.
yup, the surgery story is nonsense too just a cheap defense drummed up by media honestly really is apparent why she's made to look terrible in these games even the first one
@@marcusclark1339She doesn't look terrible in the first game, though? Also, suggesting that Insomniac made her intentionally look bad for any reason is insane. 3d modelers aren't spending hours on a character design so that people can be repulsed by what they've made. It was more than likely an oversight, which happens all the time in the industry. There is something uncanny about her face, but that's an incidental flaw that has existed in many games before this one. Are they all conspiracies?
The addiction aspect of having the symbiote needed to be explored more. Have Peter get it once, somehow gets ripped off him after having it for a while, and feel like he needs to have it to function once he doesn’t have it anymore. Maybe something happens where he can’t save someone during a set piece, and that’s what makes him want it back more. So he resorts to more brutal ways of fighting crime to compensate for not having it since it frustrates him. When he gets it back, miles and mj don’t hear from him for a while, but know he’s fighting crime still, but at a rate so rapid, miles doesn’t have much to do in the city. He sees the horrific aftermath’s of some of Peter’s crime fighting (paralyzed criminals, destroyed warehouses, etc) and questions if he’s even a good guy anymore. He’d be the villain in my version, personally. Maybe miles has to get venom’s help to beat Peter since he’s gotten so powerful.
I put on the Symbiote suit and I don't feel stronger. It plays the same as every other suit in the game. Surge mode can be used on any other suit and just becomes auto finishers which are repetitive and lazy. It's basically just a gimmick and no different from another suit. The game in general is lazily made
They could have spent less time on nonsense side missions. helping students ask their boyfriend out for prom. Or letting miles girlfriend break the law coloring on walls. All that takes away from making good missions
@@marcusclark1339But the Spider-Men gameplay represents the significant majority of the game's content. You have allowed a hate based rationale to take over your mind.
Already made a comment, but I just want to point out that as much as I want to hope for sm3, I feel like it’s already doomed for 3 reasons, reason 1 is Cindy, I like her character in the comics but I just don’t feel like she fits here right now and if they try to cram her origin into the third game and make her fight the big bad of the entire trilogy it won’t make sense as she doesnt have a connection with Norman to make the payoff satisfying, that’s exactly what happened with miles and venom, they barely knew each other so anytime they interacted it felt awkward and forced, and quite honestly I think miles was a detriment to this story as well, for having the same amount of runtime as the last game, that means that the characters respective time to develop is cut in half, and it’s even more brutally divided with mj missions, so it feels as if we are both getting less quantity and quality with each character unlike in the two solo games where it was contained to mostly one character and it worked so well because of it, you can’t make a 2 protagonist game if you either dont develop them along side each other rather than just interact and still give them ENOUGH time of their own for Individual arcs, it felt like both miles and Pete’s arcs were both side stories just because of the lack of focus and time we had with them. Or you can try and increase the overall time of the games runtime and that would honestly fix a lot of problems. Now add a third protagonist in the mix and I just feel it all goes to shit. And gameplay wise they have to allocate so much resources to her voice lines, combat animations, abilities, traversal animations, etc and that means less resources and time able to be spent on developing the games core system further than it could’ve been without jamming another character in there. (Ps I know including her in a miles spinoff or venom spinnof would allow us time with her so it doesn’t feel as forced, but my previous points still apply even then just at a slightly lesser scale) And reason 2 is sweet baby inc, any game they’ve touched has gone to hell, they are like a silent cancer in the gaming industry that not many people know about and they have terrible management and force unnecessary time and energy focusing on things no one should care about in a video game, and make narrative decisions that ruin what they touched. It’s not shocking that they’ve dipped their stubby little hands in SSKTJL and look how that game turned out And reason 3 is, honestly why change anything? I mean from insomniacs point of view, people will shit shovel anything they put out just because it’s “insomniac” and Spider-Man and so people already have these rose tinted glasses for the franchise and will buy whatever they give them, there isn’t a riot outside their headquarters demanding change, the only people demanding change are the few people with awareness and critical thinking that can see through this games cracks and they are a fraction of the consumer market, so go ahead Bryan intihar, go ballistic with your mj missions that you oddly are hellbent of getting in your game, because regardless at the end of the day no one gaf
this game felt wayy too disconnected from the first one, doc ock, despite being such a prominent role model for peter and no doubt causing a feeling of trauma for peter after the first game, i cant help but see it as a complete missed opportunity to have peter still struggling to cope with this, maybe even being part of his vulnerability for the symbiote to take advantage of, and giving MUCH more room for miles to prove himself as the more friendly, more fresh, more lighthearted and less hardened spiderman, while also sort of leaning peter into a more hardened, older, more solemn spiderman.
I still remember that Tony Todd said that we were gonna get a venom mission like the one we had in miles Morales at the beginning when he is riding Rhino. Where did that go? In my opinion if I was going to write this it would have been like after the kravens boss fight with Peter mile tries to save Peter but miles looses and Peter turns into venom and then we get to play as venom where we rage around the city and go to harry and do something and then we get like a boss fight with kraven as venom (Peter) after we kill kraven miles has to beat venom or make Peter loose venom and do the tear in half. After sometime they leave we see harry in a bed dying, we see that the symbiote reached harry and turned him into venom. after some story missions we get a call from MJ or The Police and we see that there is a mysterious figure in alley way doing some mysterious stuff and we get to a cutscene shown in the reveal trailer at the end. Then we get more missions and have to fight venom as Peter and miles.
@@heyecanlioyuncu9682 I really thought that they were gonna add a mission like the chase ones but reversed, like instead we chasing the villains they would chase us and we would have to dodge. Like I said if we met venom in the alleyway, I would have done like they would have gotten like scared and their spider sense wouldn’t go on, so it would be like an attack without a warning. And that would ultimately scare them, which would lead us to a mission where we would have to evade from Venom. Which would have been really fun and a bit scary, but they didn’t do that, leading to venom being scary but like not the level of fear that you would actually get if you like saw him Irl.
The only thing i would change in your scenario is taking black suit off, cuz this is challenge Peter should do it all by himself, showing Peter's strong morality and that he is really strong mentaly to fight with symbiote and fight with desire to leave it to himself and do what's right
@@Owen-sx4jj There is a little bit of expression but it’s less than the first game given how little effort they put into stealth gameplay this time around. Needs more acrobatics and more ways to manipulate the positioning of enemies. the original Spider-Man 2 movie game still has the most expression of any Spider-Man game since you had upwards of 40 different moves to use on enemies.
@@Nebulisreconx Spiderman 3 as well and heck, ultimate and wos. These news insombore games just aren't it. Press square to do same slow,4hit combo with the same animations till you finish the game
It's such a huge issue with me personally, because the first game (even with its flaws) is absolutely incredible. Not as varied as possible, but still alright. Miles improved and refined certain gameplay sections and had a tight story within the smaller timeframe, however the overarching themes and vague story threads were extremely similar. Then Spider-Man 2 comes around and is a total mess. Yet again having similar themes and story threads for the third time in a row (friend becomes the enemy, something big is threatening the city and is somewhat related to the friendship conflict to the hero, etc.) Then the gameplay is absolutely amazing while the variety and quality of the story and open world are borderline offensively mismatched. This game series takes as many steps forward as it does backward with each new game. For every improvement there's one or two major issues or out of place "innovations". It's still a good game, but it's soooo bad how I can enjoy my 6th play through of SM1 infinitely more than my single new game plus play through of SM2. THAT'S a problem
7 out of 10, the Gameplay is Great, Each Spider-Men brings something Unique, the Villains look Good, and the Graphics look Amazing, I just think that if they delay the Game for Another Year and Fix the Story and the 3rd Half, it could have been Better but if Feels Underrated because something felt missing and now a Year Later and no DLC Expansion, I guess we’ll never Know.
Enjoy the product as it is, bc its an amazing product. I agree, I would have loved if the story was deeper and longer, but if u wanna blame someone dont blame insomniac, blame Sony. They forced cuts on the story manly in the last part. Remember Sony said no to an online coop multivers spiderman game just to release concord…
not really its a weaker product even with the same mechanics by how they weaken them here better customizing abilities in 1, better miles in 1.5, better content in 1, better importance of web swinging in 1.5, better story in 1 nothing is better here just different
Even though I enjoyed this game when I played it, I honestly forgot the game even existed pretty soon after and that never happened with the first one.
I agree on everything you said, 8 months later I'm still looking for people to make real reviews about this game being not the greatest thing media wants gamers to believe. I'm so dissapointed on what Insomniac and SBI did to this amazing IP, as many people I am... Or was a huge Spider-Man fan since the PS1 game. I bought my PS4 a bit late and then got the game from 2018. It was an amazing experience, not perfect obviously but very fullfilling, Miles Morales was meh to me but I was extremely excited for Spider-Man 2 and we got this half baked product.
Nah Symbiote Peter is actually the easiest boss in the game for various of reasons, one being his attacks are the easiest to parry, second webbing Peter up as he’s attacking literally negates all his attacks and he can’t even touch you and third the bell leaves him open so much giving you the biggest handy cap even tho you can beat Peter without the bell because he’s just that easy.
The game was just simply rushed and I think they over-budgeted a little bit. The fact that Tony Todd said that they used only about 20-odd percent of the dialogue he recorded shows that they cut a shit load of content from the game
I originally was more forgiving of the game until I realized basically last mouth that haven’t played the game for about 5 mouths which kinda made realize that the game didn’t give fully what I wanted from it and that really saddens me because I love insomniac’s take on these characters except Venom which it feels this game is something that could have been fantastic but was just half baked where there’s a lot of good but also a lot of bad which really sucks.
In my opinion, I think that the boss fight of Kraven and Peter back to back is weird story wise. It should have been, he goes back to Dr. Connors’ lab, used the rock to get the symbiote off, and then Harry gets the symbiote. Then, sometime after the scream boss fight, Peter gets corrupted by Venom and THATS when you fight Peter
9:44 THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THIS. the concept arts could've been some of the most coolest moments in the series, last summer when they revealed those pictures I saw it live (specifically to see if any sm2 trailers would happen), and lemme tell you when they revealed both spidermen chasing venom in the streets of RAINY NEW YORK AT NIGHT WHILE GETTIING PURSUED BY COPS??? LIKE WHATT???????????? WHERE WAS THAT???? HELLO?? I really hope they listen to criticism abt this game, cuz genuinely pls don't make the doc ock sm3 story arc a let down it has sm potential ☹
I liked the game overall. For the next one hopefully there is an option that two players can play at the same time (one Peter and one Miles). I loved the photography of landmarks in the first game. Perhaps include that in the new game with the other parts of the five burroughs. Great way to get to know NY😊
I personally liked this game more than the first one for the gameplay alone yeah the story is a bit iffy at times but the gameplay is somehow better than the first one and miles morales
Venom's name doesn't make sense. OG (and variants) call themselves Venom explicitely in reference to their relationship with Spider-Man ("he disregarded us so now we will be his venom"). I think the big issue here is the time. This story should have been longer. Like a lot longer.
Wish peter kept the symbiote for longer kinda of a shame we won't see it ever I hope peter loses the anti venom suit because I kinda dislike Sony did rush them I bet they learned there reason spiderman 3 eith be a really good game I hope
And people still think this was goty 2023 Worthy. Im not saying its BAD, its a fun and good action game but it has major flaws, the story is messy when it comes to it's most important part, it was good until then and they never showed any consequences in the story.
People’s expectations are just too high , Games like Tears of the kingdom and Spider-Man 2 are still objectively better than their predecessors . You can’t expect a sequel to reinvent the wheel , the Arkhams game do the same thing but nobody complains
@@marcusclark1339 improved combat and web swinging , better boss fights , better suit customization , better graphics , Less of a Ubisoft open world . Outside the story SM2 is better in every way
I don’t know a single person in *REAL LIFE* that didn’t really like this game. To me, it improved on the original in almost every way, with some things being downgrades or not very big improvements but it overall clearly living up to its predecessor. And then I go online and everybody hates it??? It’s confusing.
@@danielgeronimo5538 Sure, but a good sign of internet-itis is when you see opinions on the internet that just don’t exist in your personal life. At that point it’s hard to call it a matter of “you haven’t heard enough perspectives” and starts feeling like internet mob mentality. I mean the game has an 8.7 User Score on metacritic (exact same as the first game) but TH-cam will make you think it’s some kinda supreme disappointment
@@stanleylee3329I'm just saying, what you know is only a percentage of people saying they like it, hell they might even say that for the sake of not starting an argument. I on the other hand have found people irl who have said and preferred the first game over this one. You wanna go and blame the internet for having a totally different perspective from yours, then fine, have it your way. But just do remember that there's also people irl that actually liked Miles Morales over this game and I am in complete agreement with them.
@@kamikazeplays6818 Well the gameplay thing is like objectively not true, there’s a TON more mechanics and abilities in this game that you can use-but what’s the problem with the story??? It’s *maybe* not as good as the first game, but it’s a damn good story. It’s genuinely one of the best Venom introductions across any Spiderman Media. Plus the dynamic of the two spideys, the Martin Li/Miles stuff, Peter’s guilt from Aunt May, Mary Jane’s story, Yuri and her change from cop to vigilante, Harry getting the symbiote and the stress losing it puts on his relationship with Peter and obviously his life, the Norman setups, Kraven the Hunter having like the best showing of his life and becoming an A Tier villain…what exactly is there not to like?
I haven't played the game, but from all the reviews i've seen it sounds like peter doesn't have a compelling enough reason as to he he really feel like he needs the symbiote. I think what would make that more interesting was if during the sandman boss fight, peter has to save some innocent civilians in one the buildings. He saves most of them, but one ends up dying right in front of peter. This would add more guilt and give him a better reason to have the symbiote because when he does have it, he's like 4x times stronger and is capable of saving everyone while fighting. But as the symbiote corrupts him, peter starts to care less and less about the collateral damage and feels distant when civilians gets killed under his watch. It gets to the point where he doesn't even try saving anyone, and just doesn't care when villians threaten to kill anyone that's not close to peter. That would make him an even bigger antagonist when he eventually fights miles.
Its a great game, i think they can get rid of all the mj missions, make it all about peter not miles, and more action less emotional shit in the cut scenes. Oh and make the story mode longer
I can see a few points made in the video, but the game is so far from being a disappointment that this video is just exaggerating... The fights and gameplay feel great, the story isn't as impactful as the first game but it's still nice and it flows smoothly, there's a fair amount of tension and surprises (like Pete getting stabbed by kraven or MJ turning into Scream)... It's honestly a great game as it is, it could be better but it doesn't deserve to be called disappointing ^^
It really was tho in many ways Sure Mj turning into scream is cool but it doesnt save the game in my opinion The swinging is better and so is the gameplay but some missions are straight up boring and dull to play The open world is still full of chores instead of fun activities to add time to the game and have no other reason to exist Especially with hoe short the game is considering its runtime we shouldnt be getting any filler content which this game was full of
@@yummyyummy2091 I literally got never bored playing, not even during the app requests side missions. Nothing felt like a chore, and there were many good additions mission-wise too. Maybe you're just approaching it incorrectly? I'm not sure, but what I am sure of is that it's not nearly as bad as some are portraying it
@@alessiomasciandaro1022 thats up to personal opinion amd what are you saying approaching it wrong? My exlectations were trough the roof for this game and i wanted to like the game Really tried to like it But heres the thing when i look at my favorite games i usually dont have to approach them in a way to like them i just do And what i mean by chore world design is just facts you have flying missions taking pictures and clearing out sandman crystals that are for the most part all the same scattered all over the map Same goes for the mysterio missions besides the last one theyre all the same boring beat all these guys within this amount of time challenges And if you cut out most of these chores the game length is cut in half
@@yummyyummy2091 In my case, just like you had hoped, I simply played and loved the game. I had great expectations too, having played and loved the two previous installments (especially the 2018 one), but they were mostly met! Also, I believe most side missions are actually very similar to the first game: mysterio's ones are basically the first game's combat challenges, for example. And they're not chores, in the same way they weren't in the first game. Finally, you know, saying "if you cut content out the game's length is halved" makes no sense to me: the content is there, of course if you remove it you're going to have a game that needs fewer hours to be 100% completed. It simply doesn't make a good argument, and the story itself wasn't incredibly long in the first game either so there's not even something to compare it to. I think it lasts the right amount, and that maybe only the ending feels a bit out of place
@@alessiomasciandaro1022 what i mean is if you cut all the boring things out of the game like the repetetive chores then the game is halved Ehat im saying is over half the game was do this same thing 30 times again like the mysterio challenges And if this helps im not one of those people that think the side content was good in the first game and is worse now No In my opinion insomniac has had that problem in most games Even as far back as sunset overdrive Amd one of my huge problems with the game is the villains everyone loves die off screen 💀 Almost turned the game off when i heard that
Man, this story suffers in the sequel so much, but at least the gam, replay its fun. This is what I have noticed recently from PlayStation, they are nailing the gameplay mechanics but the plot suffers
I felt the city felt empty and what helped make it feel empty was the fact that in almost like all the crimes there’s no cops that help spiderman in the first game and miles morales cops were there either during or after the crime but not here
@@svedixz4818 i think it's because it could've been so much more amazing than what we actually got in the end, a rushed unfinished mess of a game. 🤷🏻♂️ There are SOO MANY PROBLEMS in this game imo from the Gameplay, Story And Characters aspect. Just a 8/10 Safe game.
@@boss_160 If you see the pre alpha footage of the game there were so many great missions like venom fight in the city and the art revealed where Peter was fighting kraven. There were also way more destructiveness in those scenes
I didn't mind SM1, came close to completing it. But SM2 just felt awful; the story was too slow, too hand-holdy, there was no freedom in how to approach situations. Just couldn't get beyond the first two hours.
Even venoms abilities in this game is disappointing i wanted something on par with the prototype games casuing havoc wrecking cars and buildings and destruction like in those games
I wished we had more fights with venom and kraven in the game. Like it felt like there was supposed to be more fights but it was rushed. Like I really wanted a couple of fights where venom was maybe hunting down Peter and miles throughout the city before the final fight.
The decision i dont understand was to have kraven kill most of the sinister six of screen… what wouldve went a long way to make his characters fear factor more believable
With regards to MJ - I genuinely don't think it's her model specifically that's the problem. I think *all three* of the main character models were changed to be ass, people just like to bring up MJ and Miles more cause we've had a game to try and make peace with the model change for Peter (the original PS4 model was liked and then they made this Peter look more like Tom Holland, unintentionally or otherwise, that change has had a bit for the dislike of that to run its course) while MJ and MIles have not (and the writing issues in the game don't help either - I pretty much instantly soured on Mile's new look despite being pretty neutral on it initially when I realized he had the new look because of the finale suit he gets and the circumstances behind it just appearing out of nowhere, which is universally despised and brings down his look due to the thought of leaving his hair open to fall out and let people get his DNA breaking immersion really hard, while MJ's writing is just... weird in the broad strokes and ending, with how she's built entirely around journalism and then quitting her job to start a podcast in New York City of all places. If the execution was good, people would probably harp on it less, but as it stands it seems like she's more Lois Lane than Mary Jane - which has been a running issue with her character in adaptations for some reason).
They could’ve made it to where I can toggle the other Spider-Man to follow me cuz I agree I barely felt that they worked together at made all the more worse when u can only run into the other Spider-Man when playing as Peter as miles u will NEVER RUN INTO PETER ONLY WRAITH which is dumb
Game gives great things until it's comes to the bosses not using the great things. Story is ok until it's compared to the first entry. Traversal is amazing tho
I actually agree with you the suits, the story, the gadgets and it could’ve added a new moves. From when the game finally came out, I knew there could’ve been so much more.
spider man ps4 was the spider man game we wanted for years, huge new york city with lots to do, a amazing story, great characters, fun boss fights, and respect for the lore and characters. it was on par with the arkham games. miles morales is when things really went off the rails, first peter loses the fight with rhino (which makes no sense cause he easily beat rhino in the first game) miles is called "OUR SPIDER MAN" by people in miles home town which makes peter look racist even tho he saved a black cop and many black people in the first game, changed peters face to look more like tom holland. the remaster changed peters face for no reason (besides the fact they wanted to make him look like tom holland) and the face does not work with the emotions from the actor. and finally spider garbage ps5 just ruins everything, first they make peter lose every single fight and miles win every fight despite the fact peter has been spider man longer than miles (which is hard to tell cause he looks younger than miles), peter gets talked down to the entire game, mj now looks like aunt may's older sister and she does more than peter does and upstages him all the time, and they gave us even more mj sections which nobody wanted. and finally they turned venom into a moustache twriling villian that wants to rule the world, THAT'S NOT VENOM, even tho spider man 3 messed up venom, he atleast did stuff that made sense. in here, venom is just a "ha ha i want to rule the world." type of villian, tony todd did a great job but he was beyond wasted. and not only that, kraven was so badly underused, why is he hunted the villians peter fought before? don't know, why is in new york? don't know, what are his motivations? DON'T KNOW. and besides all of that, they got the brilliant idea to let sweet baby inc get there paws all over the game which is why there is so many messages in this game that nobody cares about. half of the miles missions are just people talking about being gay or miles helping gay people. that's not how life works, nobody goes around and says "oh yeah, i am gay and have a gay boyfriend that is a fan of you" who says that? plus why would they have a mission where all you do is spray paint a wall as a deaf girl? why is that in a SPIDER MAN GAME? even the last of us 2's boring walking stuff made sense. sorry for the rant but i am just so let down by spider garbage ps5. spider man ps4 was the spider man game i always wanted and seeing spider man get so mis-treated after that game is sad.
Great gameplay and great story will always be better than downgraded story and little improved gameplay for me. Thats why I think Spider-Man 1>>>>> Spider-Man 2.
To be honest you kind of just spent half this video saying all the great things about it, including things that I don’t think were great or good, and then kind of made the dissappointing aspects sound like they were “meh” disappointments instead of actual dissappointments or mess ups. Also, optimization for PS5? I don’t know when you played the game but it crashed multiple times for me at release not even mentioning the bugs I came across
“I dont give a shit what fans think and we will cut other stuff just to implement mj missions…”bryan intihar words… Yea lets waste time and effort on deaf, MJ and gay shit missions instead of giving the fans more time with venom and a proper boss fight
The amount of character assassination Venom had is still baffling to me. I get the idea that it's supposed to be an allegory to addiction and that's fine, Batman literally had an arc that is far more direct with its significance. The problem is, that's not how the symbiote works, and that's not how venom works. Venom is a very personal character to Peter, its hatred for Peter stems from Peter's rejection to what it considers as "love" even if it's twisted. Also the message doesn't work when you literally replaced the supposed addiction with the same thing, like Anti-Venom. Anti-Venom is cool, and Peter deserves some powers upgrade, but this part could've been executed better. Also maybe a minor complaint but the soundtrack doesn't sound as good. Remember with Martin Li in the first game where the soundtrack goes into a hint of mania for the demons? Yeah no more of that awesome track, enjoy generic techno orchestra for his fight.
somehow the first one had wayyy more to do even after beating it, after i beat this one i forgot all about it the combat felt like a chore and the missions/story were kinda boring
We can be greater together with the canceled Spider-Man multiplayer game that looks absolutely great trailer just leaked look it up it's call spider-Man the great web
1. gameplay was decent although i didn’t like the over abundance of hud on screen and there also could’ve been a couple things to make web swinging better like ground running. 2. story was mediocre and too short 3. character performances were not great and faces in the game really bugged me. 4. the open world was SO bland filled with boring and repetitive side content. it did have a few good side missions though. I’d give a 6/10 personally
There are aspects of this game that disappointed me. But I can't say that the game was disappointing overall. Mechanically I think it's a lot better than the first one. When you add up the sum of its parts I still think it ends up out doing that game. The disappointing parts for me were just a lot of what I feel like was missed potential. And the one thing that the first game will hold over this one for me is just the story and the pacing. That first game might be my favorite piece of Spider-Man media ever written. And this one even though it is going for such a fan favorite story arc and introducing its own twists on it to keep it from being a total retread, unfortunately I feel like just rushes through a lot of it. It's shoving in three different plot lines into a game that feels like it is overall shorter narratively than the first game. As such nothing feels like it is fully fleshed out and realized the way that it should be. And that's sad because these games are so fun to play and this is such a good interpretation of Spider-Man with their own little universe here, but this is going to be the best that we get for the black suit storyline, and possibly the best that we get for seeing venom as an actual villain. And then Kraven. This is like the coolest version of Kraven I've ever seen. But he's barely in the game when you get down to it. Despite being touted as this great and intimidating version of him, the majority of the things that he's doing that make him so badass are all done off screen. You see him kill scorpion but then nearly the rest of the sinister six are just found to be dead in a Mary Jane mission I get that these games take a hell of a long time to make and a ton of money. And that realistically expecting to get all of these different stories fleshed out in their own game is unreasonable. But I would have accepted a delay on this one if it meant that each of these three plot lines could have been fleshed out a lot more. Or even just saving venom for the third game. Sticking him with the anti-Venom suit at the end of the game makes sense for a gameplay standpoint like you said, you get used to enjoying all of these different powers to play with and it would suck to just have it completely removed from you especially in the post game But it also kind of negatively impacts that whole addiction allegory. because now Peter gets to enjoy all of the benefits from the symbiote suit without any of the drawbacks. And is left, despite wanting to take a break from being Spider-Man for a bit, just incredibly overpowered. So how are they going to implement this in the next game? As far as miles goes, despite part of the theme of Spider-Man 2 playfully being the fact that there are two Spider-Men, It's clearly a Peter Parker story first and foremost. And I like this interpretation of Miles. I was never a huge fan of the character but I like him in the game and I like the Spider-Verse films. And he's a lot of fun to play as, his moveset being so much more unique is interesting, even if there's like zero reason to use the invisibility in this game. That in just his animation set while he's swinging around, even if mechanically both characters function the same when traversing, there is something really satisfying about the way Miles moves. I do think he does have a good character wrap up with Martin Lee, but otherwise he feels very secondary, which again narratively does work for Peter being distracted by Harry's return and then everything that follows that. But it also just means when you are playing as Miles a lot of those missions are very much filler in their content. I didn't care about helping Brooklyn visions academy, I didn't care about the whole musical instrument heist, I found Haley's mission to be incredibly boring. The best thing I think Miles does is all of the Mysteriums. That was a fun interpretation of that character. Otherwise it's impactful that he is the one who helps Peter get rid of the symbiote, but it feels really forced how Miles is thrown into the conflict with venom despite barely knowing Harry, especially with how personal that story is still set up to be with Peter. And it's especially jarring to take control of miles at the end of that boss fight when he has so little connection to it. Thematically perhaps there is something to be said for Peter really realizing that he has this whole support network that he should be taking advantage of instead of trying to do everything himself, but I really think the last fight in this game should have been one-on-one Peter and venom But then there's venom himself. One of the coolest artistic depictions of this character I've ever seen, incredibly threatening screen presence, and that super awesome mission where you actually get to play as him. But his motivations confused the heck out of me. Usually the symbiote story was amplifying the emotions of whoever was wearing the suit. This time it really seems like the suit itself is just trying to get whoever is hosting it to be kind of brainwashed into its plan of nothing other than alien invasion. Venom somehow having the ability to summon that many symbiotes and that much black goop to just instantly pull a web of shadows over the city seems so out of nowhere and serves no other purpose than to just remind you of that game. And you don't have that same kind of resentment of Peter that you get from both the symbiote and its host. Then I'm continues to try and get Peter to join him in this plan, but you just still never really get enough of that. You don't see him enough before you end up fighting him in the last battle. I know there is supposed to be a spin-off game around him and I'm intrigued as to what that will do. I hope they somehow make a way for the symbiote to find its way to Eddie Brock, since it's pretty clear that Norman's plan to save Harry is going to be Goblin oriented. But again despite all of those complaints, I've blasted through this game in a matter of days because I was so addicted. And I think one thing that it does exceptionally well is boss fights. It really amped up the set pieces and theatricality in those. Random crimes felt a little bit more enjoyable, as did a lot of the side missions, again other than Brooklyn visions and EMF stuff But my biggest complaint at first, which is somewhat rectified now, was just how scarce the post game was. The first game I was always able to hop around into my post game playthrough and basically just kind of play it like a Spider-Man simulator. Maybe all of the big crazy plot stuff was gone but it felt great to just swing around using all the different costumes and disrupting crime And it's similarly felt great to go through new game plus This one however didn't have any new game plus, didn't have any mission select, and for the longest time until I 100% of the game, the only crimes showing up post game were all the symbiote stuff. Which to me already doesn't make any sense because why the heck would there still be all of these symbiotes here? Never mind the fact that they are the least enjoyable enemies to fight in the game. It wasn't that bad during the short amount of time where the symbiotes are taking over the city, but they were not enemies that I was looking forward to fighting more frequently. It sucks that insomniac had to go through that whole leak ordeal, and I wonder if it really has anything to do with the fact that there has been so little news to any of their other projects and it took so long to also get so little added to this game. I could have thought for certain we were going to get a carnage DLC after where that storyline ended off, but maybe he's just going to be part of the sequel. So I don't know, it's hard for me to rank this one. Like I said I think in a lot of ways functionally this is the better game. The combat is better, the traversal is better, the graphics are better, the speed of the gameplay is better, abilities and skill sets are better, the costumes are better with having color variations for each of them, even if I'm still mad that the spider armor mk one isn't in it. But narratively, it just does not have the same impact. So even with me saying so much of this game is better, if I were to rate them with some kind of score system, I would probably have them at about the same number, if the first one maybe not half a point higher. Otherwise, I might call that first game in A+ and this one and A-
I just don’t feel like most people who play the Spider-Man games actually know good combat, Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man miles morales to me still have the better combat. On paper you see all the changes and additions Spider-Man 2 has made but overall there are big and small differences that affect the game in a negative way, and let me emphasize the small because people call you out for pointing out small issues but those small issues add up and eventually can make your experience feel “off” for example, the pacing of the animations and speed of abilities is significantly slower, the web pulls and throws feel very slow and weak and not satisfying to use at all, for whatever reason the impacts of the hits on both ends don’t feel impactful at all and this was already a somewhat of a problem for the first two games, and I could go on and on with the small. Some of the big ones was the removal of the gadgets, they quick fire idea is good, but they executed it with shitty gadgets that just do all the work for you and don’t have that satisfying utility they did and Spider-Man 1 minus a few op exceptions, should’ve done it like the Harry Potter game where there are gadget profiles or whatever so that you can alternate between them but still have quick fire, enemy design on paper is supposed to be more difficult, and everyone seems to agree it is but am I the only one that is so confused? I played on the hardest difficulty, and parrying is too easy, enemies attack you way less often, I never feel at risk with AOE throwables anymore like I used to, enemy abilities dont Feel like a threat at all besides the anti air one, and I went back to play miles morales after a while and after getting off that rust I still felt like it was harder to play but at the same time way more fast paced, impactful, engaging, and difficult. Combat in sm2 just feels cobbled together sloppily, every new ability functions but some of those said functions are useless and or unsatisfying to use. Everyone’s rebuttal is always something straight out of a developers handbook I swear, it’s always along the lines of “well you can combine gadgets, special abilities, webs, finishers and intertwine them cohesively and pair them to create combos” like no shit man, that’s combat basics 101, just because those are possible in the game doesn’t mean they are executed well. It’s a shame because a Spider-Man game with perfect combat is literally my number 1 gaming wish, his power set and just everything about him is so unique and has so much potential to be methodically integrated to where it’s so good. The combat community for this game is slowly realizing how much this game fumbled, idk why it took so long but people like sonisbiotic for example can see that now, although I will say I’m not a huge fan of his style of combat, he’s obviously very good but it’s more or less just purposeless air juggling and it gets stale
I agree on the games being easy even on ultimate but to say the issues are small adding up to something big but I'd say damn near castrating the combat system especially for Peter is bad the mod system is less effective and you barely notice the benefits, suit powers are gone for Peter, Miles' camouflage is a joke I remember using it as a flash bang to temporarily stun enemies, or synergizing the webs with venom creating a web bomb effect. The symbiote suits are just a skin with no differentiation beyond tendril attacks The spider arms are an after-thought and we're better as a suit power in the first game to make the symbiote suit look good. Gadgets are sh*t except for the ricochet and concussion blast. Stealth is braindead
@@baki484 exactly, and I know for a fact that the only reason we didn’t get a separate symbiote moveset for this game was because of miles, I called it way before the game even came out, everyone told me that miles being included would be a good thing and look, on paper having a two Spider-Man game sounds awesome, and miles is my second favorite Spider-Man. But the problems I already had foreseen were that one, he was going to take up half of the games runtime, which consequently will mean that the story overall will suffer as the impact and build up for both the characters won’t feel as grand as we don’t spend enough time developing each of them as much as we did in their first individual games. And two, is that gameplay wise, it would be inconsistent to have Peter, who has two entirely different move sets with his “red suit” moveset already including arms (originally I assumed this would be for when we lose the symbiote, I thought we would fight venom with them and then we could get the symbiote suit/moveset back after the story was completed) and then you would only have miles who has his base moveset with his electricity powers. Basically my point is that they neutered the fun we could’ve had with Peter/the symbiote because it would have been a much more developed gameplay experience compared to miles who only would’ve had one as canonically it doesn’t make sense for him to also have the symbiote
The problem is the story included a second Spider-Man it shouldn’t have done it it held back having some really good suits because they “wanted miles and Pete to have the same amount of suits” it’s BS and an excuse to give us those crappy insomniac original suits.. Spider-Man should always be a solo character who occasionally teams up with other characters.. spidsrman ps4 is so good in that regard I’d go as far as to say it’s the perfect spiderman game a fantastic spiderman story it’s a shame how disappointing this game is it’s even more frustrating when you see the majority of these gaming channels just meat riding anything they put out
Ephesians 4:31-32: "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." This verse encourages letting go of negative behaviors and replacing them with kindness and forgiveness.
Gameplay was still great but the story didn’t land compared to the first game which seemed to have such a large emotional impact
Gameplay was absolutely dogsht! it was soo boring and repetitive and chore like. game has to be the biggest disappointment of 2023
@@Mistersupafly The amount of arguments is insane
@@Mistersupaflybro what r u talking about… the games combat was built on the old game greatly in pre much every way, the games combat was much more complex than the first games so if u are calling SM2 combat boring and repetitive than you are saying that about SM1 aswell but even more since the first games combat is even more simple… so tell me how it was repetitive and boring.
@@Thebatman.0000 yea dude still boring and puts me to sleep. button mashing nonsense. WOS still better. hell even the beenox games were better in combat.
@@Mistersupaflybruh said button mashing 😂 just say you didn’t play the game homie
It’s been confirmed the Sony made Insomniac cut down on the final act, along with other large parts of the story so they would have a 2023 PlayStation exclusive. That’s probably a big reason why it didn’t exactly own up to the first.
Its also could be because of the Fans pressure, like we were gonna press Sony for releasing it way late and then pressing the game a little bit. because it lacked some features.
Really, this game felt too short. Which is weird because it's longer than the first game
peter having the symbiote should have been way longer
@@therealkayoriyeah I think he should’ve had more scenes to make harry hate him and then when he finally gets venom we have the “WE’RE POISONED TO PETER PARKER AND SPIDER-MAN. WE’RE VENOM!” scene and then Peter gets his ass whooped and in the game we see harry have moments fucking with Peter in the city and some boss fights before the final boss and before Peter gets anti venom. the traditional venom along with more time would’ve made this game PERFECT. (I also think the symbiote invasion was good and should’ve been left in but with more time to develop instead of going so fast)
Makes sense as I always felt like the last act was missing at least half the content we were given, also the barely any side content compared to the first game, but the rest was overall good imo, a good 7/10 from me, would’ve easily been an 8 if the story was longer and prob a 9 if it also had more side content, maybe DLC will change that IF they drop any, I’m kind of more interested in the Venom game they’re now making and the wolverine game that’s been getting leaked very badly lately, from what I’ve seen
the biggest disappointment was the fact we didn't have the black suit that long apparently we only had it for 3 in game days.
Wait really only 3 days. Man that is disappointing
@@ewanramsay3365 Yeah the whole game was a mess
Story was rushed
Most the side missions just sucked and had 0 fun value to them, a couple you do generic tasks at a college that are just boring, you go around in one as a blind chick doing spray-painting, mj missions you can 2 tap symbiotes that it takes a full combo to kill as a superhuman.
There were 3 main villains
Lizard
Kraven
Venom
only one that felt done decent was Kraven, Lizard and Venom felt to rushed to really feel impactful.
Anybody who says this is GOTY is either Naive or massively coping game dropped the ball hard and as a die hard spider-man fan I was very disappointed,. I set my bar to be better then Web of Shadows when it came to the symbiote and it let me down massively.
@@oneautumnleaf2622 yeah I remember watching a playthrough of web of shadows.(because I can't find my game fml) before the release of spiderman 2. And I thought it was going to hit the same as wos or atleast be better in a way but nope I was disappointed with it when I played it. I agree with pretty much all you said and wished it was better and had more to offer. But I didn't know it was only 3 days with the symbiote I thought that it was way longer even though it all felt rushed.
Hopefully we can have a better spiderman game with the next one but with the way insomniac is looking with all the canceled dlc that would have been amazing it's not looking very promising unfortunately
@@ewanramsay3365 I think the biggest red flag of the second game was how Bryan (Creative Director) Responded to the critics of MJ Missions he literally said
I don't give a shit
That alone should have told me where there priority's were at honestly, the fact they cut actual superhero stuff for more MJ missions is embarrassing the fact they cut Symbiotes invading the Daily Bugle for a MJ FPS Missions is so stupid to me.
Game was a letdown and I set my bar at web of shadows which isnt even that high to begin with since the only good thing about the game was the combat.
@oneautumnleaf2622 yeah the mj missions were the probably the worst and most unnecessary thing about the game. And it hurts even more knowing that there will be no story dlc even after all this time. Yeah really disappointing
Insomniac is a one trick pony. Would like to see another developer take a crack at it. Without sweet baby inc involvement.
You read my mind, there's literally no point in the whole symbiote arc if in the end peter just convenently gets the same exact powers without any of the draw backs..
Here's the issue. People spent 5 years wanting the next spiderman game to have the Symbiote suit. It makes sense why they felt the need to add it in after hyping it up for 2 games
In my opinion, there were way too many Easter eggs. Scream, Anti-Venom, especially Cindy Moon. We didn't need another spider person when they couldn't even tie Miles into the storyline in a believable way.
They did follow Anti-Venom’s comic origin story almost exactly as it was written though. Eddie Brock is dying of cancer after the Venom symbiote left him when he encounters Mr. Negative who charges the remaining symbiote left inside of Eddie, it bonds with his white blood cells and starts healing Eddie without the mind altering side effects the venom symbiote had. Only difference is it’s Harry here and not cancer.
@@frogglen6350the symbiote wasn’t even that fun to play as it’s only 4 abilities lol not even the moveset has changed
@@stevenceja4706they did what are you on?
I feel like it misses like 5 to 10 hours of gameplay.
MJ doesn’t look like Peter's girlfriend. She looks like his mum.
😂🤣
All jokes aside, it’s completely unnecessary for Insomniac to change her face. Or Peter’s.
Again I do not believe the surgery thing. She looks the same in real life. They changed her face on purpose. End of story.
She did had an accident, but it's been confirmed that MJ resembles more to her q*eer writer than miss Stephanie.
Miles ruined being the real anti venom is what broke the game. He literally dosent do shit except be a more powerful Spider-Manmaking Peter’s resolution feel subpar cuz miles literally saves the day like 5-6 times.
Thank goodness I wasn’t the only one who felt this way about the game, I was so disappointed in this game from being such a big fan of the first 2 installments.
The fact that you fight kraven as black suit spiderman in the same night as you fight kraven as venom is crazy to me, there shouldve been some missions between those fights and also give some more motivation and cook up kraven's character
Kraven was nice character in this game. You had him for biggest half of the game and this was enough to understand his character and what he wants.
This game made me realise that the Arkham Trilogy will never be topped.
Edit: Stop saying quadrilogy and read my reply were I explain why I call it a trilogy.
Because they didn't try to cover two people's character arcs in a game that's supposed to star Peter solely
Like bro, imagine if in the middle of fighting Ra's Al Ghul or someone else, Robin starts complaining about his "college essay"
@@ccelite3782 rs. arkham was a lot more focused and clearly had a plan, story, and ending set from its inception. there is literally details from arkham asylum that hinted at events from arkham knight, details from arkham city that hinted at events in arkham knight as well such as scarecrow developing his new fear toxin and getting rid of the mask, jasons reveal etc. it wasn't executed the best by any means but it was at least planned, focused, and it seemed like they knew were they wanted to take the story from the get go or at the very minimum it felt like that. insomniacs Spiderman's story feels like they made shit up along the way just throwing out random ideas without considering how it will fit in the overall narrative
“Trilogy”
@@Juicy_wiwi That's what I said.
@@ccelite3782let’s not act like Arkham knight had the perfect conclusion if insomniac delivers with Spider-Man 3 it would be on par with the Arkham trilogy
Whats the point of peter overcoming the adiction of the symbiote if he needs another suit (anti-venom) to win, instead of sheer willpower. The whole black suit message just isnt there. He didnt even reject it and needed miles help.
The lack of side content hit pretty hard too it’s extremely easy to rush through the story, because the pacing is pretty intense too, you always feel like u need to rush to the next story mission I would of appreciated a little more time as symbiote Peter and even a few side missions only available while having the symbiote
I really don't understand why they didn't do like Arkham and have stealth and combat challenges.
Well what was the side content in spiderman 2018? It was either generic fetch quests or web swing to a location and beat up some guys. In a game where most of the story missions already have you beating up guys
@@frogglen6350I mean techniqually thats all the action games in general soo your point is litereally non existent :/ the dialogues make a game and 2018 had really good side missions most people just didnt play them cause they wanted to play the main story.
@@jackkawf4449 their combat and stealth can't test you on anything outside "how fast can you clear these enemies".
@@baki484 true, the stealth is pathetic for a Spiderman game especially since they took out half the gadgets
I may be the first one to say this but marvels Spider-Man 2 has really died out since release man. Feels like this game went 2 steps back compared to the first game. Swinging/ combat wise they taken stuffs out which angered me and also they didn’t go beyond in that aspect. The game has been out for 7 MONTHS….. and still no dlc and ppl wonder why the game is dying. I got bored of this game cuz it didn’t have that replay value like it did the first gam. Also another reason why this game is dead is cuz the symbiote plays the exact same way as the other regular suits (apart from surge) but outside of that it’s the same combat/ dodge/ swing animations and the finishers… you can’t even morph into the symbiote in the game🤦🏾♂️ it don’t feel different when wearing it cuz it doesn’t play different. Insomniac really let me down
It's a trash game for me. Gameplay was barely touched. It was already very repetitive but they thought just adding arcady style special moves would make us happy maybe dumb dumbs but not people who actually like to play their games instead of watch interactive movie which is most Sony titles currently. Swinging as well is bad. I still can't do what older games let us do effortlessly. I swing near a wall and now I have to wall run when I don't want to as well as some other things. Mj has more play time than venom etc. Symbiote experience is bad and turned out be just a suit after intihar said he didn't wanna just add it as a suit in the first game.
6.5/10
@@Owen-sx4jj so so disappointed. I was more disappointed gameplay wise. What I expected it wasn’t in the game. You’d think Peter being spidey for almost a decade would have developed creative ways to fight his enemies, double or triple takedowns, environmental takedowns but no.
You're not the first one, a lot of us real Spider-fans feel this way.
@Pobaika really bro u hater its the best game u guys will never be happy on any game go make your own good game but unfortunately your still using fidee🎉😂😂😂
You realize how short 7 months?
They proudly worked with Sweet Baby Inc for the story and it really shows. Its embarrassingly safe, low tension, coperate slop with a fucking advertisement forced into the main story at the end, apparently the og comic writers from the 1st game didn't work on this one and it really suffers from it.
This game was every step forward they took two back.
Also things they could have improved on, they either half ass-ed or completely neglected..
I hated everything about anti-venom in the game simply because it makes all the stuff I liked about the symbiote less cool and I mean everything from the name of the abilities to icon that goes with them.
Thank you. It made the symbiote feel a lot less special because you never totally lose it when losing it is integral to every symbiote spider-man story.
I agree with both of you, this means that whoever was involved in the writing doesn't know anything about the symbiote suit/Venom arc.
@@Sagegabsthey do tho, they were doing a symbiote story based off addiction and stuck with it as even when you stop the addiction it's still part of you, smoking for example. If you smoke and then stop smoking your lungs are still bad now because of you smoking. Same with the symbiote
@@shaunavant532I understand the addiction part and I totally agree, what I mean is that the writers don't know anything about Venom and what it represents.
The web of shadows/king in black makes no sense in this game since the Venom symbiote has not evolved enough. At least I would've kept the story more street level, less world domination.
@Sagegabs then it wouldn't hit as hard, and it was more city level then world level as when we look at the map he has taken over less than half the city with tendrils. I think he specifically chose that spot
I liked the game but there was so many missed opportunities story was rushed the university mission's suck and i skip cutscenes now to get to the good parts of the game
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The issue (in my opinion) is the fact that the actress doesn’t look ANYTHING like that, even after the surgery she had done. This new MJ looks suspiciously like one of the female writers who works at Insomniac however.
yup, the surgery story is nonsense too just a cheap defense drummed up by media honestly
really is apparent why she's made to look terrible in these games even the first one
@@marcusclark1339She doesn't look terrible in the first game, though? Also, suggesting that Insomniac made her intentionally look bad for any reason is insane. 3d modelers aren't spending hours on a character design so that people can be repulsed by what they've made. It was more than likely an oversight, which happens all the time in the industry. There is something uncanny about her face, but that's an incidental flaw that has existed in many games before this one. Are they all conspiracies?
The addiction aspect of having the symbiote needed to be explored more. Have Peter get it once, somehow gets ripped off him after having it for a while, and feel like he needs to have it to function once he doesn’t have it anymore. Maybe something happens where he can’t save someone during a set piece, and that’s what makes him want it back more. So he resorts to more brutal ways of fighting crime to compensate for not having it since it frustrates him. When he gets it back, miles and mj don’t hear from him for a while, but know he’s fighting crime still, but at a rate so rapid, miles doesn’t have much to do in the city. He sees the horrific aftermath’s of some of Peter’s crime fighting (paralyzed criminals, destroyed warehouses, etc) and questions if he’s even a good guy anymore. He’d be the villain in my version, personally. Maybe miles has to get venom’s help to beat Peter since he’s gotten so powerful.
I put on the Symbiote suit and I don't feel stronger. It plays the same as every other suit in the game. Surge mode can be used on any other suit and just becomes auto finishers which are repetitive and lazy. It's basically just a gimmick and no different from another suit. The game in general is lazily made
They could have spent less time on nonsense side missions. helping students ask their boyfriend out for prom. Or letting miles girlfriend break the law coloring on walls. All that takes away from making good missions
yup, agenda pushing game
game is second to the "message"
@@marcusclark1339But the Spider-Men gameplay represents the significant majority of the game's content. You have allowed a hate based rationale to take over your mind.
Already made a comment, but I just want to point out that as much as I want to hope for sm3, I feel like it’s already doomed for 3 reasons, reason 1 is Cindy, I like her character in the comics but I just don’t feel like she fits here right now and if they try to cram her origin into the third game and make her fight the big bad of the entire trilogy it won’t make sense as she doesnt have a connection with Norman to make the payoff satisfying, that’s exactly what happened with miles and venom, they barely knew each other so anytime they interacted it felt awkward and forced, and quite honestly I think miles was a detriment to this story as well, for having the same amount of runtime as the last game, that means that the characters respective time to develop is cut in half, and it’s even more brutally divided with mj missions, so it feels as if we are both getting less quantity and quality with each character unlike in the two solo games where it was contained to mostly one character and it worked so well because of it, you can’t make a 2 protagonist game if you either dont develop them along side each other rather than just interact and still give them ENOUGH time of their own for Individual arcs, it felt like both miles and Pete’s arcs were both side stories just because of the lack of focus and time we had with them. Or you can try and increase the overall time of the games runtime and that would honestly fix a lot of problems. Now add a third protagonist in the mix and I just feel it all goes to shit. And gameplay wise they have to allocate so much resources to her voice lines, combat animations, abilities, traversal animations, etc and that means less resources and time able to be spent on developing the games core system further than it could’ve been without jamming another character in there. (Ps I know including her in a miles spinoff or venom spinnof would allow us time with her so it doesn’t feel as forced, but my previous points still apply even then just at a slightly lesser scale)
And reason 2 is sweet baby inc, any game they’ve touched has gone to hell, they are like a silent cancer in the gaming industry that not many people know about and they have terrible management and force unnecessary time and energy focusing on things no one should care about in a video game, and make narrative decisions that ruin what they touched. It’s not shocking that they’ve dipped their stubby little hands in SSKTJL and look how that game turned out
And reason 3 is, honestly why change anything? I mean from insomniacs point of view, people will shit shovel anything they put out just because it’s “insomniac” and Spider-Man and so people already have these rose tinted glasses for the franchise and will buy whatever they give them, there isn’t a riot outside their headquarters demanding change, the only people demanding change are the few people with awareness and critical thinking that can see through this games cracks and they are a fraction of the consumer market, so go ahead Bryan intihar, go ballistic with your mj missions that you oddly are hellbent of getting in your game, because regardless at the end of the day no one gaf
this game felt wayy too disconnected from the first one, doc ock, despite being such a prominent role model for peter and no doubt causing a feeling of trauma for peter after the first game, i cant help but see it as a complete missed opportunity to have peter still struggling to cope with this, maybe even being part of his vulnerability for the symbiote to take advantage of, and giving MUCH more room for miles to prove himself as the more friendly, more fresh, more lighthearted and less hardened spiderman, while also sort of leaning peter into a more hardened, older, more solemn spiderman.
I’ve been saying this since day one, but everyone’s been meat riding Insomniac so hard that I can’t have a fucking opinion
I still remember that Tony Todd said that we were gonna get a venom mission like the one we had in miles Morales at the beginning when he is riding Rhino. Where did that go?
In my opinion if I was going to write this it would have been like after the kravens boss fight with Peter mile tries to save Peter but miles looses and Peter turns into venom and then we get to play as venom where we rage around the city and go to harry and do something and then we get like a boss fight with kraven as venom (Peter) after we kill kraven miles has to beat venom or make Peter loose venom and do the tear in half. After sometime they leave we see harry in a bed dying, we see that the symbiote reached harry and turned him into venom. after some story missions we get a call from MJ or The Police and we see that there is a mysterious figure in alley way doing some mysterious stuff and we get to a cutscene shown in the reveal trailer at the end. Then we get more missions and have to fight venom as Peter and miles.
Litereally this single scene wouşd have been better than the whole game
@@heyecanlioyuncu9682
I really thought that they were gonna add a mission like the chase ones but reversed, like instead we chasing the villains they would chase us and we would have to dodge.
Like I said if we met venom in the alleyway, I would have done like they would have gotten like scared and their spider sense wouldn’t go on, so it would be like an attack without a warning. And that would ultimately scare them, which would lead us to a mission where we would have to evade from Venom.
Which would have been really fun and a bit scary, but they didn’t do that, leading to venom being scary but like not the level of fear that you would actually get if you like saw him Irl.
@@Maneet-z1r Dude if I go to heaven I am gone have to summon you to read your mind and make THAT version of sm2 real😭
@@Maneet-z1r great idea
The only thing i would change in your scenario is taking black suit off, cuz this is challenge Peter should do it all by himself, showing Peter's strong morality and that he is really strong mentaly to fight with symbiote and fight with desire to leave it to himself and do what's right
Gameplay is alright still prefer web of shadows combat for the amount of expression
Yh this game has no expression. Combat is boiled down to pressing square
@@Owen-sx4jj There is a little bit of expression but it’s less than the first game given how little effort they put into stealth gameplay this time around. Needs more acrobatics and more ways to manipulate the positioning of enemies. the original Spider-Man 2 movie game still has the most expression of any Spider-Man game since you had upwards of 40 different moves to use on enemies.
@@Nebulisreconx Spiderman 3 as well and heck, ultimate and wos. These news insombore games just aren't it. Press square to do same slow,4hit combo with the same animations till you finish the game
@@Owen-sx4jj sad but true
It's such a huge issue with me personally, because the first game (even with its flaws) is absolutely incredible. Not as varied as possible, but still alright.
Miles improved and refined certain gameplay sections and had a tight story within the smaller timeframe, however the overarching themes and vague story threads were extremely similar.
Then Spider-Man 2 comes around and is a total mess. Yet again having similar themes and story threads for the third time in a row (friend becomes the enemy, something big is threatening the city and is somewhat related to the friendship conflict to the hero, etc.)
Then the gameplay is absolutely amazing while the variety and quality of the story and open world are borderline offensively mismatched.
This game series takes as many steps forward as it does backward with each new game. For every improvement there's one or two major issues or out of place "innovations".
It's still a good game, but it's soooo bad how I can enjoy my 6th play through of SM1 infinitely more than my single new game plus play through of SM2. THAT'S a problem
This is how I feel. I can replay the first one so easy
7 out of 10, the Gameplay is Great, Each Spider-Men brings something Unique, the Villains look Good, and the Graphics look Amazing, I just think that if they delay the Game for Another Year and Fix the Story and the 3rd Half, it could have been Better but if Feels Underrated because something felt missing and now a Year Later and no DLC Expansion, I guess we’ll never Know.
yup, it was a let down
Enjoy the product as it is, bc its an amazing product. I agree, I would have loved if the story was deeper and longer, but if u wanna blame someone dont blame insomniac, blame Sony. They forced cuts on the story manly in the last part. Remember Sony said no to an online coop multivers spiderman game just to release concord…
not really
its a weaker product even with the same mechanics by how they weaken them here
better customizing abilities in 1, better miles in 1.5, better content in 1, better importance of web swinging in 1.5, better story in 1
nothing is better here just different
Even though I enjoyed this game when I played it, I honestly forgot the game even existed pretty soon after and that never happened with the first one.
I agree on everything you said, 8 months later I'm still looking for people to make real reviews about this game being not the greatest thing media wants gamers to believe.
I'm so dissapointed on what Insomniac and SBI did to this amazing IP, as many people I am... Or was a huge Spider-Man fan since the PS1 game. I bought my PS4 a bit late and then got the game from 2018. It was an amazing experience, not perfect obviously but very fullfilling, Miles Morales was meh to me but I was extremely excited for Spider-Man 2 and we got this half baked product.
Nah Symbiote Peter is actually the easiest boss in the game for various of reasons, one being his attacks are the easiest to parry, second webbing Peter up as he’s attacking literally negates all his attacks and he can’t even touch you and third the bell leaves him open so much giving you the biggest handy cap even tho you can beat Peter without the bell because he’s just that easy.
Its not a bad game far from it its really good but it has flaws
The game was just simply rushed and I think they over-budgeted a little bit. The fact that Tony Todd said that they used only about 20-odd percent of the dialogue he recorded shows that they cut a shit load of content from the game
2 years of development, definitely rushing the game!
@@luafamilyeh dude there are games with 6 years development being rushed. Spiderman 2 needed 3 years and it got 2 that means it was rushed
@@kamikazeplays6818 Yet millions of games that were good were made in a year!
@@luafamily its like saying if my grandma had wheels she whould be a bike. U must say example. Wich games ahh yea none
@@kamikazeplays6818 Poppy playtime Chapter 3, Fnaf 1, and many others!
I hate the fact that not all suits got symbiote treatment
I originally was more forgiving of the game until I realized basically last mouth that haven’t played the game for about 5 mouths which kinda made realize that the game didn’t give fully what I wanted from it and that really saddens me because I love insomniac’s take on these characters except Venom which it feels this game is something that could have been fantastic but was just half baked where there’s a lot of good but also a lot of bad which really sucks.
In my opinion, I think that the boss fight of Kraven and Peter back to back is weird story wise. It should have been, he goes back to Dr. Connors’ lab, used the rock to get the symbiote off, and then Harry gets the symbiote. Then, sometime after the scream boss fight, Peter gets corrupted by Venom and THATS when you fight Peter
Why tf would he take the symbiote off, just to put it back on again?
It wouldn’t be by choice bro
@@Skilledbruiser-tc3ccthat would make it worse
They fumbled after the first game. It did mostly everything right and left room for so much more.
9:44 THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THIS. the concept arts could've been some of the most coolest moments in the series, last summer when they revealed those pictures I saw it live (specifically to see if any sm2 trailers would happen), and lemme tell you when they revealed both spidermen chasing venom in the streets of RAINY NEW YORK AT NIGHT WHILE GETTIING PURSUED BY COPS??? LIKE WHATT???????????? WHERE WAS THAT???? HELLO?? I really hope they listen to criticism abt this game, cuz genuinely pls don't make the doc ock sm3 story arc a let down it has sm potential ☹
I liked the game overall.
For the next one hopefully there is an option that two players can play at the same time (one Peter and one Miles).
I loved the photography of landmarks in the first game. Perhaps include that in the new game with the other parts of the five burroughs. Great way to get to know NY😊
I personally liked this game more than the first one for the gameplay alone yeah the story is a bit iffy at times but the gameplay is somehow better than the first one and miles morales
I too would expect gameplay improvement 3 games in to the franchise.
Venom's name doesn't make sense. OG (and variants) call themselves Venom explicitely in reference to their relationship with Spider-Man ("he disregarded us so now we will be his venom").
I think the big issue here is the time. This story should have been longer. Like a lot longer.
Wish peter kept the symbiote for longer kinda of a shame we won't see it ever I hope peter loses the anti venom suit because I kinda dislike Sony did rush them I bet they learned there reason spiderman 3 eith be a really good game I hope
And people still think this was goty 2023 Worthy. Im not saying its BAD, its a fun and good action game but it has major flaws, the story is messy when it comes to it's most important part, it was good until then and they never showed any consequences in the story.
The gameplay is an improvement over the past 2 games but the story is a step back from the first one imo
Really Wish we could play as venom for longer then 5 seconds
People’s expectations are just too high , Games like Tears of the kingdom and Spider-Man 2 are still objectively better than their predecessors . You can’t expect a sequel to reinvent the wheel , the Arkhams game do the same thing but nobody complains
not really
@@marcusclark1339 improved combat and web swinging , better boss fights , better suit customization , better graphics , Less of a Ubisoft open world . Outside the story SM2 is better in every way
Having a whole mission playing as a black deaf girl is insane 😂😂😂😂
This mission was a good reminder that you should be happy that you can hear and speak, because many people who can't do that don't have an easy life.
@@MilosDimitrijevic-z7tthat wasn’t the point at all😂 the point was that a deaf women can do anything Peter Parker can do
@@MilosDimitrijevic-z7tOk and? This is a SUPER HERO game, read the room
@@Andrew-pv8ozThe can knock out symbiotes with her spray paint, it's just absurd...
I wish they do a solo hulk, thor & venom game, we've had 3 Spiderman games its enough
I don’t know a single person in *REAL LIFE* that didn’t really like this game. To me, it improved on the original in almost every way, with some things being downgrades or not very big improvements but it overall clearly living up to its predecessor. And then I go online and everybody hates it??? It’s confusing.
How much people do you know real life that actually likes the game? Do remember that what you know is only a percentage of a certain population
@@danielgeronimo5538 Sure, but a good sign of internet-itis is when you see opinions on the internet that just don’t exist in your personal life. At that point it’s hard to call it a matter of “you haven’t heard enough perspectives” and starts feeling like internet mob mentality. I mean the game has an 8.7 User Score on metacritic (exact same as the first game) but TH-cam will make you think it’s some kinda supreme disappointment
I hated it. The story was terible and the gameplay is just copy paste from spiderman 1
@@stanleylee3329I'm just saying, what you know is only a percentage of people saying they like it, hell they might even say that for the sake of not starting an argument. I on the other hand have found people irl who have said and preferred the first game over this one. You wanna go and blame the internet for having a totally different perspective from yours, then fine, have it your way. But just do remember that there's also people irl that actually liked Miles Morales over this game and I am in complete agreement with them.
@@kamikazeplays6818 Well the gameplay thing is like objectively not true, there’s a TON more mechanics and abilities in this game that you can use-but what’s the problem with the story??? It’s *maybe* not as good as the first game, but it’s a damn good story. It’s genuinely one of the best Venom introductions across any Spiderman Media. Plus the dynamic of the two spideys, the Martin Li/Miles stuff, Peter’s guilt from Aunt May, Mary Jane’s story, Yuri and her change from cop to vigilante, Harry getting the symbiote and the stress losing it puts on his relationship with Peter and obviously his life, the Norman setups, Kraven the Hunter having like the best showing of his life and becoming an A Tier villain…what exactly is there not to like?
I haven't played the game, but from all the reviews i've seen it sounds like peter doesn't have a compelling enough reason as to he he really feel like he needs the symbiote. I think what would make that more interesting was if during the sandman boss fight, peter has to save some innocent civilians in one the buildings. He saves most of them, but one ends up dying right in front of peter. This would add more guilt and give him a better reason to have the symbiote because when he does have it, he's like 4x times stronger and is capable of saving everyone while fighting.
But as the symbiote corrupts him, peter starts to care less and less about the collateral damage and feels distant when civilians gets killed under his watch. It gets to the point where he doesn't even try saving anyone, and just doesn't care when villians threaten to kill anyone that's not close to peter. That would make him an even bigger antagonist when he eventually fights miles.
I loved Peter's performance in the end of the first game
Great to hear him cry like that ON EVERY GODDAMN MISSION
Its a great game, i think they can get rid of all the mj missions, make it all about peter not miles, and more action less emotional shit in the cut scenes. Oh and make the story mode longer
Just found your channel and this is great work
I can see a few points made in the video, but the game is so far from being a disappointment that this video is just exaggerating... The fights and gameplay feel great, the story isn't as impactful as the first game but it's still nice and it flows smoothly, there's a fair amount of tension and surprises (like Pete getting stabbed by kraven or MJ turning into Scream)... It's honestly a great game as it is, it could be better but it doesn't deserve to be called disappointing ^^
It really was tho in many ways
Sure Mj turning into scream is cool but it doesnt save the game in my opinion
The swinging is better and so is the gameplay but some missions are straight up boring and dull to play
The open world is still full of chores instead of fun activities to add time to the game and have no other reason to exist
Especially with hoe short the game is considering its runtime we shouldnt be getting any filler content which this game was full of
@@yummyyummy2091 I literally got never bored playing, not even during the app requests side missions. Nothing felt like a chore, and there were many good additions mission-wise too. Maybe you're just approaching it incorrectly? I'm not sure, but what I am sure of is that it's not nearly as bad as some are portraying it
@@alessiomasciandaro1022 thats up to personal opinion amd what are you saying approaching it wrong?
My exlectations were trough the roof for this game and i wanted to like the game
Really tried to like it
But heres the thing when i look at my favorite games i usually dont have to approach them in a way to like them i just do
And what i mean by chore world design is just facts you have flying missions taking pictures and clearing out sandman crystals that are for the most part all the same scattered all over the map
Same goes for the mysterio missions besides the last one theyre all the same boring beat all these guys within this amount of time challenges
And if you cut out most of these chores the game length is cut in half
@@yummyyummy2091 In my case, just like you had hoped, I simply played and loved the game. I had great expectations too, having played and loved the two previous installments (especially the 2018 one), but they were mostly met! Also, I believe most side missions are actually very similar to the first game: mysterio's ones are basically the first game's combat challenges, for example. And they're not chores, in the same way they weren't in the first game. Finally, you know, saying "if you cut content out the game's length is halved" makes no sense to me: the content is there, of course if you remove it you're going to have a game that needs fewer hours to be 100% completed. It simply doesn't make a good argument, and the story itself wasn't incredibly long in the first game either so there's not even something to compare it to. I think it lasts the right amount, and that maybe only the ending feels a bit out of place
@@alessiomasciandaro1022 what i mean is if you cut all the boring things out of the game like the repetetive chores then the game is halved
Ehat im saying is over half the game was do this same thing 30 times again like the mysterio challenges
And if this helps im not one of those people that think the side content was good in the first game and is worse now
No
In my opinion insomniac has had that problem in most games
Even as far back as sunset overdrive
Amd one of my huge problems with the game is the villains everyone loves die off screen 💀
Almost turned the game off when i heard that
Good video I agree completely. Marvel’s spider man 2 is good but could’ve been more
Man, this story suffers in the sequel so much, but at least the gam, replay its fun. This is what I have noticed recently from PlayStation, they are nailing the gameplay mechanics but the plot suffers
I felt the city felt empty and what helped make it feel empty was the fact that in almost like all the crimes there’s no cops that help spiderman in the first game and miles morales cops were there either during or after the crime but not here
Lmfao whys everyone switching up on spiderman 2? Literally everyone loved it lmao
Fr the switch up is crazy😂😂
@@ayyas7066 facts
@@svedixz4818 i think it's because it could've been so much more amazing than what we actually got in the end, a rushed unfinished mess of a game. 🤷🏻♂️
There are SOO MANY PROBLEMS in this game imo from the Gameplay, Story And Characters aspect.
Just a 8/10 Safe game.
It’s because everyone found out that there was a lot more of venom lines and recordings
@@boss_160 If you see the pre alpha footage of the game there were so many great missions like venom fight in the city and the art revealed where Peter was fighting kraven. There were also way more destructiveness in those scenes
Dude am I crazy or did this game make anybody else have pstd flashbacks of tears of the kingdom☹️
You're crazy af
I didn't mind SM1, came close to completing it. But SM2 just felt awful; the story was too slow, too hand-holdy, there was no freedom in how to approach situations. Just couldn't get beyond the first two hours.
Even venoms abilities in this game is disappointing i wanted something on par with the prototype games casuing havoc wrecking cars and buildings and destruction like in those games
I wished we had more fights with venom and kraven in the game. Like it felt like there was supposed to be more fights but it was rushed. Like I really wanted a couple of fights where venom was maybe hunting down Peter and miles throughout the city before the final fight.
Lot of u guys hate the game but I loved every bit of it
Its ok to loge trash
The decision i dont understand was to have kraven kill most of the sinister six of screen… what wouldve went a long way to make his characters fear factor more believable
With regards to MJ - I genuinely don't think it's her model specifically that's the problem. I think *all three* of the main character models were changed to be ass, people just like to bring up MJ and Miles more cause we've had a game to try and make peace with the model change for Peter (the original PS4 model was liked and then they made this Peter look more like Tom Holland, unintentionally or otherwise, that change has had a bit for the dislike of that to run its course) while MJ and MIles have not (and the writing issues in the game don't help either - I pretty much instantly soured on Mile's new look despite being pretty neutral on it initially when I realized he had the new look because of the finale suit he gets and the circumstances behind it just appearing out of nowhere, which is universally despised and brings down his look due to the thought of leaving his hair open to fall out and let people get his DNA breaking immersion really hard, while MJ's writing is just... weird in the broad strokes and ending, with how she's built entirely around journalism and then quitting her job to start a podcast in New York City of all places. If the execution was good, people would probably harp on it less, but as it stands it seems like she's more Lois Lane than Mary Jane - which has been a running issue with her character in adaptations for some reason).
They could’ve made it to where I can toggle the other Spider-Man to follow me cuz I agree I barely felt that they worked together at made all the more worse when u can only run into the other Spider-Man when playing as Peter as miles u will NEVER RUN INTO PETER ONLY WRAITH which is dumb
I hope this long wait before DLC allows Insomniac to work on an director’s cut of the game and give us the parts that were missing
Can we all talk into consideration that this game was made primarily during the strikes
Great from beginning to end...Idk what y'all were expecting.
Game gives great things until it's comes to the bosses not using the great things. Story is ok until it's compared to the first entry. Traversal is amazing tho
What I mean by that is Venom, he sprouts wings which should have led into a web wing chase or get away. Less cutscenes and more actual gameplay.
I actually agree with you the suits, the story, the gadgets and it could’ve added a new moves. From when the game finally came out, I knew there could’ve been so much more.
spider man ps4 was the spider man game we wanted for years, huge new york city with lots to do, a amazing story, great characters, fun boss fights, and respect for the lore and characters. it was on par with the arkham games.
miles morales is when things really went off the rails, first peter loses the fight with rhino (which makes no sense cause he easily beat rhino in the first game) miles is called "OUR SPIDER MAN" by people in miles home town which makes peter look racist even tho he saved a black cop and many black people in the first game, changed peters face to look more like tom holland.
the remaster changed peters face for no reason (besides the fact they wanted to make him look like tom holland) and the face does not work with the emotions from the actor.
and finally spider garbage ps5 just ruins everything, first they make peter lose every single fight and miles win every fight despite the fact peter has been spider man longer than miles (which is hard to tell cause he looks younger than miles), peter gets talked down to the entire game, mj now looks like aunt may's older sister and she does more than peter does and upstages him all the time, and they gave us even more mj sections which nobody wanted. and finally they turned venom into a moustache twriling villian that wants to rule the world, THAT'S NOT VENOM, even tho spider man 3 messed up venom, he atleast did stuff that made sense. in here, venom is just a "ha ha i want to rule the world." type of villian, tony todd did a great job but he was beyond wasted. and not only that, kraven was so badly underused, why is he hunted the villians peter fought before? don't know, why is in new york? don't know, what are his motivations? DON'T KNOW.
and besides all of that, they got the brilliant idea to let sweet baby inc get there paws all over the game which is why there is so many messages in this game that nobody cares about. half of the miles missions are just people talking about being gay or miles helping gay people. that's not how life works, nobody goes around and says "oh yeah, i am gay and have a gay boyfriend that is a fan of you" who says that? plus why would they have a mission where all you do is spray paint a wall as a deaf girl? why is that in a SPIDER MAN GAME? even the last of us 2's boring walking stuff made sense.
sorry for the rant but i am just so let down by spider garbage ps5. spider man ps4 was the spider man game i always wanted and seeing spider man get so mis-treated after that game is sad.
Great gameplay and great story will always be better than downgraded story and little improved gameplay for me.
Thats why I think Spider-Man 1>>>>> Spider-Man 2.
To be honest you kind of just spent half this video saying all the great things about it, including things that I don’t think were great or good, and then kind of made the dissappointing aspects sound like they were “meh” disappointments instead of actual dissappointments or mess ups.
Also, optimization for PS5? I don’t know when you played the game but it crashed multiple times for me at release not even mentioning the bugs I came across
“I dont give a shit what fans think and we will cut other stuff just to implement mj missions…”bryan intihar words…
Yea lets waste time and effort on deaf, MJ and gay shit missions instead of giving the fans more time with venom and a proper boss fight
They admit they cut content to add more MJ missions
The amount of character assassination Venom had is still baffling to me. I get the idea that it's supposed to be an allegory to addiction and that's fine, Batman literally had an arc that is far more direct with its significance. The problem is, that's not how the symbiote works, and that's not how venom works. Venom is a very personal character to Peter, its hatred for Peter stems from Peter's rejection to what it considers as "love" even if it's twisted. Also the message doesn't work when you literally replaced the supposed addiction with the same thing, like Anti-Venom. Anti-Venom is cool, and Peter deserves some powers upgrade, but this part could've been executed better.
Also maybe a minor complaint but the soundtrack doesn't sound as good. Remember with Martin Li in the first game where the soundtrack goes into a hint of mania for the demons? Yeah no more of that awesome track, enjoy generic techno orchestra for his fight.
Man it’s crazy how people just rewrite narratives about games.
I really really love this game but it was a lil disappointing
somehow the first one had wayyy more to do even after beating it, after i beat this one i forgot all about it the combat felt like a chore and the missions/story were kinda boring
It was??
Yep
too me it was
They are going to kill Mary jane off in the next Spiderman, that why anut may is dead already and the goblin is coming .
We can be greater together with the canceled Spider-Man multiplayer game that looks absolutely great trailer just leaked look it up it's call spider-Man the great web
1. gameplay was decent although i didn’t like the over abundance of hud on screen and there also could’ve been a couple things to make web swinging better like ground running.
2. story was mediocre and too short
3. character performances were not great and faces in the game really bugged me.
4. the open world was SO bland filled with boring and repetitive side content. it did have a few good side missions though.
I’d give a 6/10 personally
Sony rushed the cooking and cancelled the online game
So fuck them.
“Oh, they didn’t have time 😭“
It was so disappointing because Sweet Baby worked on it.
There are aspects of this game that disappointed me. But I can't say that the game was disappointing overall. Mechanically I think it's a lot better than the first one. When you add up the sum of its parts I still think it ends up out doing that game. The disappointing parts for me were just a lot of what I feel like was missed potential. And the one thing that the first game will hold over this one for me is just the story and the pacing. That first game might be my favorite piece of Spider-Man media ever written. And this one even though it is going for such a fan favorite story arc and introducing its own twists on it to keep it from being a total retread, unfortunately I feel like just rushes through a lot of it. It's shoving in three different plot lines into a game that feels like it is overall shorter narratively than the first game. As such nothing feels like it is fully fleshed out and realized the way that it should be. And that's sad because these games are so fun to play and this is such a good interpretation of Spider-Man with their own little universe here, but this is going to be the best that we get for the black suit storyline, and possibly the best that we get for seeing venom as an actual villain.
And then Kraven. This is like the coolest version of Kraven I've ever seen. But he's barely in the game when you get down to it. Despite being touted as this great and intimidating version of him, the majority of the things that he's doing that make him so badass are all done off screen. You see him kill scorpion but then nearly the rest of the sinister six are just found to be dead in a Mary Jane mission
I get that these games take a hell of a long time to make and a ton of money. And that realistically expecting to get all of these different stories fleshed out in their own game is unreasonable. But I would have accepted a delay on this one if it meant that each of these three plot lines could have been fleshed out a lot more. Or even just saving venom for the third game.
Sticking him with the anti-Venom suit at the end of the game makes sense for a gameplay standpoint like you said, you get used to enjoying all of these different powers to play with and it would suck to just have it completely removed from you especially in the post game
But it also kind of negatively impacts that whole addiction allegory. because now Peter gets to enjoy all of the benefits from the symbiote suit without any of the drawbacks. And is left, despite wanting to take a break from being Spider-Man for a bit, just incredibly overpowered. So how are they going to implement this in the next game?
As far as miles goes, despite part of the theme of Spider-Man 2 playfully being the fact that there are two Spider-Men, It's clearly a Peter Parker story first and foremost. And I like this interpretation of Miles. I was never a huge fan of the character but I like him in the game and I like the Spider-Verse films. And he's a lot of fun to play as, his moveset being so much more unique is interesting, even if there's like zero reason to use the invisibility in this game. That in just his animation set while he's swinging around, even if mechanically both characters function the same when traversing, there is something really satisfying about the way Miles moves. I do think he does have a good character wrap up with Martin Lee, but otherwise he feels very secondary, which again narratively does work for Peter being distracted by Harry's return and then everything that follows that. But it also just means when you are playing as Miles a lot of those missions are very much filler in their content. I didn't care about helping Brooklyn visions academy, I didn't care about the whole musical instrument heist, I found Haley's mission to be incredibly boring. The best thing I think Miles does is all of the Mysteriums. That was a fun interpretation of that character.
Otherwise it's impactful that he is the one who helps Peter get rid of the symbiote, but it feels really forced how Miles is thrown into the conflict with venom despite barely knowing Harry, especially with how personal that story is still set up to be with Peter. And it's especially jarring to take control of miles at the end of that boss fight when he has so little connection to it. Thematically perhaps there is something to be said for Peter really realizing that he has this whole support network that he should be taking advantage of instead of trying to do everything himself, but I really think the last fight in this game should have been one-on-one Peter and venom
But then there's venom himself. One of the coolest artistic depictions of this character I've ever seen, incredibly threatening screen presence, and that super awesome mission where you actually get to play as him. But his motivations confused the heck out of me. Usually the symbiote story was amplifying the emotions of whoever was wearing the suit. This time it really seems like the suit itself is just trying to get whoever is hosting it to be kind of brainwashed into its plan of nothing other than alien invasion. Venom somehow having the ability to summon that many symbiotes and that much black goop to just instantly pull a web of shadows over the city seems so out of nowhere and serves no other purpose than to just remind you of that game. And you don't have that same kind of resentment of Peter that you get from both the symbiote and its host. Then I'm continues to try and get Peter to join him in this plan, but you just still never really get enough of that. You don't see him enough before you end up fighting him in the last battle.
I know there is supposed to be a spin-off game around him and I'm intrigued as to what that will do. I hope they somehow make a way for the symbiote to find its way to Eddie Brock, since it's pretty clear that Norman's plan to save Harry is going to be Goblin oriented.
But again despite all of those complaints, I've blasted through this game in a matter of days because I was so addicted. And I think one thing that it does exceptionally well is boss fights. It really amped up the set pieces and theatricality in those. Random crimes felt a little bit more enjoyable, as did a lot of the side missions, again other than Brooklyn visions and EMF stuff
But my biggest complaint at first, which is somewhat rectified now, was just how scarce the post game was. The first game I was always able to hop around into my post game playthrough and basically just kind of play it like a Spider-Man simulator. Maybe all of the big crazy plot stuff was gone but it felt great to just swing around using all the different costumes and disrupting crime
And it's similarly felt great to go through new game plus
This one however didn't have any new game plus, didn't have any mission select, and for the longest time until I 100% of the game, the only crimes showing up post game were all the symbiote stuff. Which to me already doesn't make any sense because why the heck would there still be all of these symbiotes here? Never mind the fact that they are the least enjoyable enemies to fight in the game. It wasn't that bad during the short amount of time where the symbiotes are taking over the city, but they were not enemies that I was looking forward to fighting more frequently.
It sucks that insomniac had to go through that whole leak ordeal, and I wonder if it really has anything to do with the fact that there has been so little news to any of their other projects and it took so long to also get so little added to this game. I could have thought for certain we were going to get a carnage DLC after where that storyline ended off, but maybe he's just going to be part of the sequel.
So I don't know, it's hard for me to rank this one. Like I said I think in a lot of ways functionally this is the better game. The combat is better, the traversal is better, the graphics are better, the speed of the gameplay is better, abilities and skill sets are better, the costumes are better with having color variations for each of them, even if I'm still mad that the spider armor mk one isn't in it. But narratively, it just does not have the same impact. So even with me saying so much of this game is better, if I were to rate them with some kind of score system, I would probably have them at about the same number, if the first one maybe not half a point higher.
Otherwise, I might call that first game in A+ and this one and A-
Spiderman 2 suffers from too many cooks in the kitchen
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Most of Hollywood suffers from it
They should’ve had it where you choose the path like web of shadows or infamous
I just don’t feel like most people who play the Spider-Man games actually know good combat, Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man miles morales to me still have the better combat. On paper you see all the changes and additions Spider-Man 2 has made but overall there are big and small differences that affect the game in a negative way, and let me emphasize the small because people call you out for pointing out small issues but those small issues add up and eventually can make your experience feel “off” for example, the pacing of the animations and speed of abilities is significantly slower, the web pulls and throws feel very slow and weak and not satisfying to use at all, for whatever reason the impacts of the hits on both ends don’t feel impactful at all and this was already a somewhat of a problem for the first two games, and I could go on and on with the small. Some of the big ones was the removal of the gadgets, they quick fire idea is good, but they executed it with shitty gadgets that just do all the work for you and don’t have that satisfying utility they did and Spider-Man 1 minus a few op exceptions, should’ve done it like the Harry Potter game where there are gadget profiles or whatever so that you can alternate between them but still have quick fire, enemy design on paper is supposed to be more difficult, and everyone seems to agree it is but am I the only one that is so confused? I played on the hardest difficulty, and parrying is too easy, enemies attack you way less often, I never feel at risk with AOE throwables anymore like I used to, enemy abilities dont Feel like a threat at all besides the anti air one, and I went back to play miles morales after a while and after getting off that rust I still felt like it was harder to play but at the same time way more fast paced, impactful, engaging, and difficult. Combat in sm2 just feels cobbled together sloppily, every new ability functions but some of those said functions are useless and or unsatisfying to use.
Everyone’s rebuttal is always something straight out of a developers handbook I swear, it’s always along the lines of “well you can combine gadgets, special abilities, webs, finishers and intertwine them cohesively and pair them to create combos” like no shit man, that’s combat basics 101, just because those are possible in the game doesn’t mean they are executed well.
It’s a shame because a Spider-Man game with perfect combat is literally my number 1 gaming wish, his power set and just everything about him is so unique and has so much potential to be methodically integrated to where it’s so good.
The combat community for this game is slowly realizing how much this game fumbled, idk why it took so long but people like sonisbiotic for example can see that now, although I will say I’m not a huge fan of his style of combat, he’s obviously very good but it’s more or less just purposeless air juggling and it gets stale
I agree on the games being easy even on ultimate but to say the issues are small adding up to something big but I'd say damn near castrating the combat system especially for Peter is bad the mod system is less effective and you barely notice the benefits, suit powers are gone for Peter, Miles' camouflage is a joke I remember using it as a flash bang to temporarily stun enemies, or synergizing the webs with venom creating a web bomb effect. The symbiote suits are just a skin with no differentiation beyond tendril attacks
The spider arms are an after-thought and we're better as a suit power in the first game to make the symbiote suit look good.
Gadgets are sh*t except for the ricochet and concussion blast.
Stealth is braindead
@@baki484 exactly, and I know for a fact that the only reason we didn’t get a separate symbiote moveset for this game was because of miles, I called it way before the game even came out, everyone told me that miles being included would be a good thing and look, on paper having a two Spider-Man game sounds awesome, and miles is my second favorite Spider-Man. But the problems I already had foreseen were that one, he was going to take up half of the games runtime, which consequently will mean that the story overall will suffer as the impact and build up for both the characters won’t feel as grand as we don’t spend enough time developing each of them as much as we did in their first individual games. And two, is that gameplay wise, it would be inconsistent to have Peter, who has two entirely different move sets with his “red suit” moveset already including arms (originally I assumed this would be for when we lose the symbiote, I thought we would fight venom with them and then we could get the symbiote suit/moveset back after the story was completed) and then you would only have miles who has his base moveset with his electricity powers. Basically my point is that they neutered the fun we could’ve had with Peter/the symbiote because it would have been a much more developed gameplay experience compared to miles who only would’ve had one as canonically it doesn’t make sense for him to also have the symbiote
No way he said the lizard was harder than Kravan!
Dude Kraven is super easy to beat
The symbiote enemies aren’t that good in this game I agree with that. They’re the least fun enemies to fight
The problem is the story included a second Spider-Man it shouldn’t have done it it held back having some really good suits because they “wanted miles and Pete to have the same amount of suits” it’s BS and an excuse to give us those crappy insomniac original suits.. Spider-Man should always be a solo character who occasionally teams up with other characters.. spidsrman ps4 is so good in that regard I’d go as far as to say it’s the perfect spiderman game a fantastic spiderman story it’s a shame how disappointing this game is it’s even more frustrating when you see the majority of these gaming channels just meat riding anything they put out
Ephesians 4:31-32:
"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you."
This verse encourages letting go of negative behaviors and replacing them with kindness and forgiveness.
The game is disappointing lack of no DLC wasted potential smh🤦♂️
Too little miles? A single minute with him is too much
You hate this version of Miles or something?
@ miles and every spiderman copy. It’s uncreative go have Spider-Man and then make up 1000 versions of him
@@Slaughter_Hill Fair enough. I personally enjoy the electric powers Miles has though, but to each his own.
Mary Jane looks masculine in the face. That strong ass jaw line
Also yellow teeth, greesy hair and unfemenine figure.