I giggled when I heard it not rolling over, and Scott's expression changed when he went for all the beans.. Marty, in utter disbelief. The rumble in those seats.. epic build..
I don’t remember seeing them put in better valuesprings. Honestly valve springs are good for a few hp up top because the K-series used lighter seat pressure springs for economy. But they start to float before the cams start running out of flow at high rpm. (Even with stock cams) So if they accidentally overlooked that. It was a pretty big missed opportunity.😢 and one that really would’ve helped. Otherwise it’s going to float valves when you’re going all out. Plus with the balance shaft delete, you won’t even notice the slight economy loss from added resistance of a tiffer Springs.
My friend bought a cheap ek1 and we were throwing the k24 swap idea arounf for a few weeks. This build series dropped. Its a sign. FULL VTEC AHEAD!!! Thanks guys
Love these little K swap Hondas, so fun to drive. My old k20/24 em1 made 167kw had no problems keeping up with cars with almost double the power. Theyre fun, reliable, cheap to run and maintain. Had my fair share of turbo cars but little hondas are so fun to drive always end up back in one. Glad to see you guys doing a k swap build ❤
For the build of that Honda Civic, I remember from multiple sources that you will need a 3 inch exhaust which is the perfect spot for k20 and k24's with this build. I dont remember if it is with or without turbo. If you go with a bigger resonator, it will make the exhaust sound better
3 inch exhaust system naturally aspirated without turbo. Because of how efficient they are, people have found out that's the best diameter for breathing with naturally aspirated builds.
Hope to see a collab video with Gears and Gasoline! Ben also has an EK with a K20 head and K24 block combo that Marty can do as well. Endless possibilities with this setup and as a honda guy I'm really excited for the next episodes!
Pretty sure Ben's EK has a full K24A2 out of a TSX instead of the KFrank K24/K20. He's running in GLTC now, which allows engine internal modifications but they have to meet specific power output dyno rules, but before GLTC he was in Track Battle (time attack) and the class he ran in didn't allow head swap or internal engine upgrades: "Factory internals are specified as pistons, compression ratio, rods, camshafts, head and block casting, bore and stroke size and head porting (example: K24 swap ok, K24 block with k20 head not allowed, etc)". I don't recall seeing him changing from a K24A2 to a K24/K20 for GLTC and instead it looks like he's been focusing on optimizing the chassis/aero/brakes.
Love this bonus stuff. You guys are really getting to understand what your biggest fans want to see on this channel - supercuts, disrespected stuff, extracurricular projects. Everyone's here for everything you leave on the cutting room floor cos we wanna spend more time watching you and everything you do. We'd watch an uncut trip to get kebabs if we could.
Great result and I like the expanded tuning session from Scotty since he knows a ton about tuning. One request: for these sorts of tuning/dyno vids, could we get a PIP setup so we can see the Dyno numbers in real-time? That would be interesting
Tuning Fork is the man, whenever i come up with questions watching the vid i can count on them being answered in it sooner or later. He loves what he's doing and it's so contagious the dude might cause another pandemic. Sic!
Speaking of Barra engines. In the 80's Ford Australia needed help with their 6 cylinder engines. They employed Honda to design their cylinder heads. The Ford Alloy Head II was designed by Honda.
I fully enjoy watching Scotty tuning because of how he does it quite meticulously. I've tuned a lot of B-Series, and while a bit different, the end goal is the same. VTEC and iVTEC crossover is the key to making a great curve that does the trick! Great video mates!
I absolutely love the tuning videos. You guys makes everything sound so easy 😅 all you need is this engine and these parts it just bolts right and you know😅 just get this ECU you'll have it figured out and tuned by the end of the weekend😅
I've had two RD7 CR-Vs with K24s, not a performance car by any stretch, both were high km workhorses that got flogged, I broke just about everything on those cars EXCEPT the engines. One of them had over 400,000 kms on it and was still pulling hard. Absolutely unbreakable engines. I'm surprised Scotty didn't mention the StanceWorks Ferrari, that K24 is BUILT, like capable of 1000hp when it's turned right up. maybe this was filmed before the StanceWorks guys came to town for Time Attack. Absolutely phenomenal car, Scotty featured in a few of those vids, the bloody legend he is.
Brilliant video - really love the more in-depth dyno stuff. As a DIY home-tuner on my own cars (various Honda's on Hondata and an R53 Mini on Ecumaster) this was really fascinating to watch. The cam control stuff in particular, thanks for going this deep and showing it
Back in 2017 I raced a tuned prelude or integra (cant remember which) in my stock r34 GTR, the thing kept up with me till 80kph, at around 100kph i was only a car length ahead. I was flabbergasted.. Honda's are great cars, have mad respect for them. I hope i never come across a turbo'd one 😅
Tbh I never liked civics when I was younger. I’ve never owned them but when these cars get taken to the next level they are insane! I think I love them now ha
Just listening to Scotty, is freaking brilliant, I watch American TH-cam channel Boosted Bozs, and they run these engines and turbo, great video Marty and Scotty
Great stuff! You mentioned that the camry doesn't have vtec... the 2zz-ge is a great engine to get your hands on...has variable lift and timing! Toyota calls it VVTL-I
4:30 there was a knocking/clunking sound that went away, at least 5 or 6 knocks in a row.. I got my MUM'S hand-me-down 180B Triple SSS Datsun.. Burnt Orange, 5 speed manual, sunroof, Magnums.. The Old Man had to take the dual Webbers off it was too much for Mum to drive haha!
Awesome video. I always like the more technical stuff, and anything with The Tuning Fork is good! I've been watching for years and still enjoy every video! Also, do you have any idea what that power is at the crank? It has to be over 100hp per liter.
Thats pretty bloody impressive for an NA 2.4 motor. Admittedly its got a cam in it but it doesnt seem to be very 'aggressive' like its still making good power everywhere
Why didn't Scotty adjust the tacho rev range on the Haltech dash? I'm pretty sure you can adjust the display to whatever rev range and redline you want.
That's all Scotty's secret sauce... His facial expression says it all. The face of a man that just gave you his top secret recipe for a bangn kebab! Agh.. that ECU is now a priceless work of art.
Thanks Marty and Scott for the video. It was great to see the work that goes into tuning. I guess all up with the ECU, Wiring, Cam, plus all the other stuff you would be pushing $10-12k for that build. Labour costs would be more again.
Within our group of friends we have a K20-EK and a built-B16-EF9. The K Motors are amazing and the aftermarket is great but the little B is a bit more raw in a good way and inside the light old chassis also lots of fun. Much slower though, even with nearly 200hp at the flywheel.
I have a Chrysler 300C Wagon (stock 5.7L Hemi V8) and I reckon this thing would beat it in a drag race... That's kinda scary. I'd love to try and make it happen one day... Awesome build and video :)
@@LiveHD2 it'll do the numbers I stated on premium pump gas. They could be using a dyno that reads lower than average, and may be at a high elevation. Even if that's the case, I'd still expect higher than 215whp.
Marty serious thought. VVTLI 2zz in a Corolla Sportivo or Celica. Same engine that is in Moogs late lotus. Moog if there are any races in the pipeline it’s the car to get the job done
If I was a racing driver, I would want Tuning Fork as my lead engineer. Dear MCM, Skid Factory, BCW, Haltech, The Build Room, Isaac, Humble Mechanic, Deboss Garage, HartleyEngines, and Roadkill Freiburger+Finnegan Make it so! Kindest regards, Andrew
I don’t remember seeing them put in better valuesprings. Honestly valve springs are good for a few hp up top because the K-series used lighter seat pressure springs for economy. But they start to float before the cams start running out of flow at high rpm. So if they accidentally overlooked that. It was a pretty big missed opportunity.😢 and one that really would help.
Stock valve springs are might be causing the roll over just over 8200rpm actually so good point. I would have thought that long runner intake would be good for more rpm.
@@S4Meow I’ve even seen videos where switching just springs alone have raised up the rpm even with stock cams. So it’s definitely probable that even though they improved the flow up to that point. That the highest Rpm in this configuration is still limited... and only by stupid little springs. And also the flow nearing that Rpm isn’t as consistent as it could/should be. So it’s a little slower (hence the hp to be gained) Now yes down low the engine would have to work harder to overcome the higher spring pressure. But they already reduced the friction more than the springs (and besides the springs they already added cams with a higher and possibly steeper lift) but when they removed the balance shafts. They reduced the drag and friction pretty well. Possibly enough to offset the cams and springs (if not by more🤷🏻♂️) Better springs will make The engine sound happier and act more like it would rev forever. Like a Honda should.)
The longer rods really shine at higher rpm (shorter rods shine at lower rpm) they got the ecu, the tuner, the higher lift and duration cams, and a few other good things going for them. But they just might have somewhat dropped the ball and decided to come just short of a beautiful mechanical work of art. (And I AM NOT a Honda guy. I’m a self proclaimed “engine guy”.... but I’m on the internet. So my advice is probably just some nonsensical blabbing from a crazy person.🤷🏻♂️)
A little bit of extended cut dyno action for you! Check out the build video of our mad K-Swapped Honda Civic: th-cam.com/video/NNOM7QbqeOc/w-d-xo.html
ty
Did you ever figure out what the ticking tapping noise was that Scotty heard? You could hear it in the video too
I giggled when I heard it not rolling over, and Scott's expression changed when he went for all the beans.. Marty, in utter disbelief. The rumble in those seats.. epic build..
NOICE
I don’t remember seeing them put in better valuesprings. Honestly valve springs are good for a few hp up top because the K-series used lighter seat pressure springs for economy. But they start to float before the cams start running out of flow at high rpm. (Even with stock cams)
So if they accidentally overlooked that. It was a pretty big missed opportunity.😢 and one that really would’ve helped. Otherwise it’s going to float valves when you’re going all out.
Plus with the balance shaft delete, you won’t even notice the slight economy loss from added resistance of a tiffer Springs.
Always enjoy vids with Scotty. Smart and eloquent.
every time he's on a video I forget his name and assume it's Hal 😅
I love this style of video. Would love to see more extended dyno runs that don't make the main channel cut
Hood exit
It needs a bigger resonator to control that rasp. Then it would sound much better
So that's how it works. Good to know
Straight pipe m8
Seems like most civic guys like the angry wasp noise.
Scotty's knowledge and Marty's questions are like mechanical food for my soul.
Scotty's explanations make it so much easier to understand. Thanks Scotty.
My friend bought a cheap ek1 and we were throwing the k24 swap idea arounf for a few weeks. This build series dropped. Its a sign. FULL VTEC AHEAD!!! Thanks guys
Scotty is the man! VTAAAAAAAKKKKKK!
Love these little K swap Hondas, so fun to drive. My old k20/24 em1 made 167kw had no problems keeping up with cars with almost double the power. Theyre fun, reliable, cheap to run and maintain. Had my fair share of turbo cars but little hondas are so fun to drive always end up back in one. Glad to see you guys doing a k swap build ❤
As an owner of a k24 swapped EG and Datsun 1600 - I can say Scotty is a man of good taste :)
i would watch a show where marty and scotty dino a different car every episode.
i gained 1 horsepower from Scotty's eyebrow raise @17:31
I gained more than that m8
Scotty's confidence face at 15:25 = priceless.
That engine and that platform is a masterpice. Great work
I have heard the knocking sounds more then just when Scotty pointed it out... Maybe Worth looing into
Super excited MCM !!!
I told Jackson Brothers to hit you up for a collab farming video in NSW.
Scotty working on the Stanceworks K swapped Ferrari recently was also a good one!
almost 30 minutes of the Tunign Fork working his magic.
WIckedddddd
Put a fork in it, its done? :)
For the build of that Honda Civic, I remember from multiple sources that you will need a 3 inch exhaust which is the perfect spot for k20 and k24's with this build. I dont remember if it is with or without turbo. If you go with a bigger resonator, it will make the exhaust sound better
3 inch exhaust system naturally aspirated without turbo. Because of how efficient they are, people have found out that's the best diameter for breathing with naturally aspirated builds.
When you're ready to bring back 2Sexy, I'll come and help. It's not just Honda's that get the love!
That generation hatch will always be the best looking Civic. Real sweet spot. Good looks, good front suspension. Nice and light. Such a great car
Wow Scotty is such a fountain of knowledge, what a legend !
Hope to see a collab video with Gears and Gasoline! Ben also has an EK with a K20 head and K24 block combo that Marty can do as well. Endless possibilities with this setup and as a honda guy I'm really excited for the next episodes!
Pretty sure Ben's EK has a full K24A2 out of a TSX instead of the KFrank K24/K20. He's running in GLTC now, which allows engine internal modifications but they have to meet specific power output dyno rules, but before GLTC he was in Track Battle (time attack) and the class he ran in didn't allow head swap or internal engine upgrades: "Factory internals are specified as pistons, compression ratio, rods, camshafts, head and block casting, bore and stroke size and head porting (example: K24 swap ok, K24 block with k20 head not allowed, etc)".
I don't recall seeing him changing from a K24A2 to a K24/K20 for GLTC and instead it looks like he's been focusing on optimizing the chassis/aero/brakes.
Love seeing a less edited version of the tuning process. So informative!
Thanks for showing us the full tuning session. I could listen and learn from Scotty all day !!
We built a hi RPM Ek KA24 destroked to 2.2 a few years back, belted out 380fwhp NA on E85. People have no clue how capable these motors really are.
Any videos? Must've sounded crazy!!
@@michaelangelo5783 nah, it was like 2012.
Scotty loves a blast of the aul vtec. Great video, and excellent results, now get a big turbo on that.
Chewning Fauwk!! Love Scotty!
Now put a K20A2 head on the K24!
Love this bonus stuff. You guys are really getting to understand what your biggest fans want to see on this channel - supercuts, disrespected stuff, extracurricular projects. Everyone's here for everything you leave on the cutting room floor cos we wanna spend more time watching you and everything you do. We'd watch an uncut trip to get kebabs if we could.
Great result and I like the expanded tuning session from Scotty since he knows a ton about tuning. One request: for these sorts of tuning/dyno vids, could we get a PIP setup so we can see the Dyno numbers in real-time? That would be interesting
Scotty is such a legend! Loved the conversation at the end.
Tuning Fork is the man, whenever i come up with questions watching the vid i can count on them being answered in it sooner or later. He loves what he's doing and it's so contagious the dude might cause another pandemic. Sic!
Tuning fork is a master on the keyboard !!! Honda The power of dreams !!! Welcome to the Honda club MCM !!! 😜👍🇦🇺
The best club, Honda for life.
Scotty is just the best. So shill and knows ALL the stuff❤
Excellent! I think I can hear the noise Scotty was talking about, clearest example at 11:45 !
Dunno why but I like tuning fork, good guy. We all need a friend like him
Up next: installing a CR-V drivetrain for some real-time 4WD action! Great video!
Speaking of Barra engines. In the 80's Ford Australia needed help with their 6 cylinder engines. They employed Honda to design their cylinder heads. The Ford Alloy Head II was designed by Honda.
Source ?
I fully enjoy watching Scotty tuning because of how he does it quite meticulously. I've tuned a lot of B-Series, and while a bit different, the end goal is the same. VTEC and iVTEC crossover is the key to making a great curve that does the trick! Great video mates!
I absolutely love the tuning videos. You guys makes everything sound so easy 😅 all you need is this engine and these parts it just bolts right and you know😅 just get this ECU you'll have it figured out and tuned by the end of the weekend😅
17:30 Scotty gives you the look after upping the moon shot to a mars shot.
I've had two RD7 CR-Vs with K24s, not a performance car by any stretch, both were high km workhorses that got flogged, I broke just about everything on those cars EXCEPT the engines. One of them had over 400,000 kms on it and was still pulling hard. Absolutely unbreakable engines.
I'm surprised Scotty didn't mention the StanceWorks Ferrari, that K24 is BUILT, like capable of 1000hp when it's turned right up. maybe this was filmed before the StanceWorks guys came to town for Time Attack. Absolutely phenomenal car, Scotty featured in a few of those vids, the bloody legend he is.
Crvs had low power k24s.
@@michaelangelo5783 Thanks Captain.
Maybe stick to painting.
Brilliant video - really love the more in-depth dyno stuff. As a DIY home-tuner on my own cars (various Honda's on Hondata and an R53 Mini on Ecumaster) this was really fascinating to watch. The cam control stuff in particular, thanks for going this deep and showing it
Sooo glad you boys chose to give this dyno run its own video. Scotty is the man, and its great to see his process. 🤙🏻
Man I could listen to Scotty all day non stop
Back in 2017 I raced a tuned prelude or integra (cant remember which) in my stock r34 GTR, the thing kept up with me till 80kph, at around 100kph i was only a car length ahead. I was flabbergasted.. Honda's are great cars, have mad respect for them. I hope i never come across a turbo'd one 😅
EK for life!
ED or EG
Tbh I never liked civics when I was younger. I’ve never owned them but when these cars get taken to the next level they are insane! I think I love them now ha
Just listening to Scotty, is freaking brilliant, I watch American TH-cam channel Boosted Bozs, and they run these engines and turbo, great video Marty and Scotty
Great stuff!
You mentioned that the camry doesn't have vtec... the 2zz-ge is a great engine to get your hands on...has variable lift and timing! Toyota calls it VVTL-I
tons of toyotas have VVTI lol, I think the difference is it's more economy focused and not power focused
@@clays.9662 they do! But only the 2zzge had VVTL-I
2zz is nothing compared to a k24
4:30 there was a knocking/clunking sound that went away, at least 5 or 6 knocks in a row..
I got my MUM'S hand-me-down 180B Triple SSS Datsun.. Burnt Orange, 5 speed manual, sunroof, Magnums.. The Old Man had to take the dual Webbers off it was too much for Mum to drive haha!
That Honda civic sounds amazing With VTEC Engine it goes really fast Well Done Marty👏👏👏👏
Scotty is an absolute LEGEND.
Awesome breakdown with the Tuning Fork himself. Love it.
Thanks for posting guys. Super interesting.
Awesome video. I always like the more technical stuff, and anything with The Tuning Fork is good! I've been watching for years and still enjoy every video! Also, do you have any idea what that power is at the crank? It has to be over 100hp per liter.
Scotty is a legend
Thats pretty bloody impressive for an NA 2.4 motor. Admittedly its got a cam in it but it doesnt seem to be very 'aggressive' like its still making good power everywhere
And that's only lightly modified. There's a lot more you can do than that naturally aspirated.
Why didn't Scotty adjust the tacho rev range on the Haltech dash? I'm pretty sure you can adjust the display to whatever rev range and redline you want.
That's all Scotty's secret sauce... His facial expression says it all. The face of a man that just gave you his top secret recipe for a bangn kebab!
Agh.. that ECU is now a priceless work of art.
2100 ish lbs with 220ish whp. That's gonna be a bit fun!
Lets appreciate the fact VTEC has been a thing since like 1989.
EK civic is still the best!
Love this video focused on the dyno!
I really enjoy these disrespected nose videos. Wish you did them more. Great content as always.
All the power runs done in Neutral according to the display!
Thanks Marty and Scott for the video. It was great to see the work that goes into tuning. I guess all up with the ECU, Wiring, Cam, plus all the other stuff you would be pushing $10-12k for that build. Labour costs would be more again.
The more detailed version is excellent great video
I love nights where I cant sleep, because I can randomly fire up my subs and find these legends uploaded half an hour ago! Result!
Bouncing off the limiter like a real Hondaboy
Or just tuning on a dyno lol
The limiter is whatever he says it is.
3 inch exhaust and a 3.5 inch cold air intake and it would make more.
Within our group of friends we have a K20-EK and a built-B16-EF9. The K Motors are amazing and the aftermarket is great but the little B is a bit more raw in a good way and inside the light old chassis also lots of fun. Much slower though, even with nearly 200hp at the flywheel.
Hondas are awesome.
Bless you Tuning Fork
you can use e30 e36 manual gearboxes with k-tuneds swap kit(theres an adapter in the kit)
I have a Chrysler 300C Wagon (stock 5.7L Hemi V8) and I reckon this thing would beat it in a drag race...
That's kinda scary. I'd love to try and make it happen one day...
Awesome build and video :)
I get the impression that he may have been a bit conservative with the vtc angle tuning. That combo is usually good for 240-250 whp on a chassis dyno.
They might still be on pump gas
On e85 that set up should make 230-240
@@LiveHD2 it'll do the numbers I stated on premium pump gas. They could be using a dyno that reads lower than average, and may be at a high elevation. Even if that's the case, I'd still expect higher than 215whp.
the j32a2 in my miata ia awesome love the swaps
Big Nostrils on this beast. Look at the plate @ 19:42
keep tuning boys.these make more stock than what yr getting
Scotty is the keyboard gangster in tuning cars! Watch I'm work his magic!!!
always minty fresh at haltech!!
Why did it only make the 215whp in the uk with the same bolt ones people are seeing closer to 270/280hp (flywheel)
Scotty always brings the goods
Marty serious thought. VVTLI 2zz in a Corolla Sportivo or Celica. Same engine that is in Moogs late lotus. Moog if there are any races in the pipeline it’s the car to get the job done
Came with 141 kw stock stock
It’s the luxury civic all leather higher seat position much better
Awesome. Def one of the best Civic gens. AWD next? Id kill to get a built K20 in a Miata (20 can rev higher generally)
When your tuner give you that look
🚗💥💨🔥
Scotty is just the Best.😘
If I was a racing driver, I would want Tuning Fork as my lead engineer.
Dear MCM, Skid Factory, BCW, Haltech, The Build Room, Isaac, Humble Mechanic, Deboss Garage, HartleyEngines, and Roadkill Freiburger+Finnegan
Make it so!
Kindest regards,
Andrew
Sould definitely convert to itb's for the na purity!!!
k20 head would do wonders for this engine! normal 2.0 k20 runs 235-250bhp with the same mods
Is that Aussie hp or American 😂
this swap and mods here in the Uk we'd see dynos of up to 280bhp + .. 216bhp seems abit low ?
I don’t remember seeing them put in better valuesprings. Honestly valve springs are good for a few hp up top because the K-series used lighter seat pressure springs for economy. But they start to float before the cams start running out of flow at high rpm.
So if they accidentally overlooked that. It was a pretty big missed opportunity.😢 and one that really would help.
Saving the valve spring change for the when the engine gets a snail
Stock valve springs are might be causing the roll over just over 8200rpm actually so good point. I would have thought that long runner intake would be good for more rpm.
@@S4Meow I’ve even seen videos where switching just springs alone have raised up the rpm even with stock cams. So it’s definitely probable that even though they improved the flow up to that point. That the highest Rpm in this configuration is still limited... and only by stupid little springs.
And also the flow nearing that Rpm isn’t as consistent as it could/should be. So it’s a little slower (hence the hp to be gained)
Now yes down low the engine would have to work harder to overcome the higher spring pressure. But they already reduced the friction more than the springs (and besides the springs they already added cams with a higher and possibly steeper lift) but when they removed the balance shafts. They reduced the drag and friction pretty well. Possibly enough to offset the cams and springs (if not by more🤷🏻♂️)
Better springs will make The engine sound happier and act more like it would rev forever. Like a Honda should.)
The longer rods really shine at higher rpm (shorter rods shine at lower rpm) they got the ecu, the tuner, the higher lift and duration cams, and a few other good things going for them. But they just might have somewhat dropped the ball and decided to come just short of a beautiful mechanical work of art. (And I AM NOT a Honda guy. I’m a self proclaimed “engine guy”.... but I’m on the internet. So my advice is probably just some nonsensical blabbing from a crazy person.🤷🏻♂️)
Yeah mean-piston-speed isnt crazy on the long rod motors so RPM to the MOON! @@Hipsters_N_Hippies
27:33 is there a video on Scotty's EK Civic?
Love the way this thing sounds, all of the revs and all of the vtecs!
Thought I was going all deja vu until I realized mcm2 love it
I think I heard the knocking again @11:44
k swap the world...best 4cyl ever made
Do a 0-100 and 1/4mile on it please. 🙏👌
very nice power there shame is front wheel drive, would love to see an all wheel or 4 wheel drive version with same or more power.