I mean xfinity...my infiniti tried, but they only added things the Cad6 I already have! Therefore, they are still behind to me. They tried advertising they new speakers in the head rest of the seat. When Cadillac already had that and that rear view camera in the mirror.
Just picked up a new to me 2019 Escalade that im sure ill keep for a long time but im definitely looking forward to owning one of these newer ones one day.
I think 2021 and 2024 look very nice this one i dont know. I own 2019 esv and i sont know why i keep fixing it at 37k miles. Front and rear struts and shocks replaced and other things. I hope it last but i should not be replacing that at 36k miles.
@@atlant2566 I have two 2017s and don’t really have issues like that. I guess it depends on how you drive it and the roads in your city. 2021 has engine issues.
What makes you think the #1 luxury SUV that’s been unchanged for 4+ years will suddenly lose any value it had once the slightly updated model is revealed? This isn’t even a full redesign, it’s just a MCE. It’s the same generation Escalade and the 2025 is a more technologically advanced and luxurious version of the same Cadillac.
@@G-Rated more technologically advanced and luxurious version of the same Cadillac. you said the above the 22-24 versions are an overpriced Denali and with the new Tech&options the older ones value will drop faster.
@@davealmer3803that made absolutely no sense. Most of the truck is the same compared to the 24 which would help the pre-refresh retain some of its value.
I’m an owner of several Apple products including an iPhone 14, and I agree! I think they sound like crackheads when they talk about how Apple CarPlay is mandatory and there’s no question it’s a necessity for all humans. I’m even beginning to think Apple is fattening pockets and paying for this type of constant rhetoric from reviewers, because it’s getting more obvious why it isn’t needed in newer *gm* products yet the demands for it are getting more ridiculous.
Removing the Duramax as an option is a poor choice on GM's part. It's a great powerplant for more efficient road trips and towing. Diesel is even cheaper than 91 gas (recommended for the 6.2) in my area so it's better fuel efficiency wise and fuel cost wise as well. Getting 20+ MPG on the highway with the Duramax is better than maybe 20 MPG with the 6.2L. It's likely the demographic that buys the Escalade that removed the Duramax. Thankfully, the Chevy and GMC SUVs can still have it...for now.
Their idea is that the Escalade is so luxurious (specially now) that a diesel is just stupid, they want people to buy the Escalade IQ if they want to save gas 100% or maybe there will be a plug in hybrid Escalade so a diesel is just stupid since most people buy the V8 version, it would have been worse to still have the diesel option but a V6 turbo as gas engine.
@@bostonaviation2010 that's the point, the Yukon is for the type of people that may want something luxurious but save gas because they travel a lot or tow, this Escalade specially with this redesign it's closer to more top class people that doesn't care about a diesel.
What a great refresh! However, I agree that it needs a diesel or even a hybrid for more power. Maybe that's why GMC Denali is so popular? Thanks again Roman!
Great seeing more Roman videos but I’m already missing his OG buddy / partner Nathan!! Growth and evolution can be rough but I look forward to seeing how TFL will grow!!
Why does everyone start off videos telling me what they are going to tell me, instead of just telling me? The title already tells me that you are going to tell me about it.
Have got to say that the 2025 Refresh Escalade sure screams and sounds luxury overall look to it. And possibly Lincoln might not able or will catch up with its technology, I mean who knows when. But 2025 Escalade is sexy and such beyond beauty:).🙌🏻🙌🏻💯💯🤞🏼
I like the design much better than the Escalade IQ! Anybody know if they added window privacy shades in the rear? One of the reviewers mentioned that they can be controlled by using the rear screen (luxury package), but diddn't show them. I'm all in!😊
Oh man it looks AWESOME! I did like the current design except the front was way to simple for what the Escalade is. This redesign is stunning, sticks out, and really fleshes out that massive real estate of a front fascia.
@@G-Rated Nissan fanboy. Nathan loves Frontiers, but half the audience is convinced he’s a Toyota shill. Ford bias is new to me, but everyone has a conspiracy angle these days.
I wished this came in a V model ❤ ! We currently have a 2023 suburban we have been waiting for the new 2025 SUV’s to get revealed before we trade our suburban in so far this and the qx80 is leading the way !
hey it's a literal chevrolet movie theatre, sorta 🤣. Just needs and option for croc or gator skin seats I wonder though, if they were having such a hard time moving duramax's maybe there's some good deals to be had on a 2023 or 24 diesel Slade? 🤔
No thank you I don't like the way the headlights are imagine how much they're going to cost if you need to replace them and it's not under warranty same thing with the dash if those screens go out 😁
Nice. A question. That little side table or laptop stand at roughly the 14 sec mark, is that an available option/accessory, and will that work for the driver in the front row too? When parked of course. I was planning on a 2025 Escalade Sport Platinum with the improved diesel for its great mpg. If it is not available then I will likely not get an Escalade Too bad. Terrible decision Cadillac. And I have zero interest in an all electric EV, doesn't give me the flexibility I need. though I might have considered a decent hybrid like the Powerboost on the F150's. I do like the idea of an optional rear center console though, low so the pass thru for long items from the rear would still be there.
It’s nice but Cadillacs are destined for pricey repairs! Maybe if Cadillac issues a warranty that covers engine and electrical issues for 100000 miles. Trust you’ll be at the dealership by 40k miles
So, the King of the full-size body-on-frame luxury SUV gets an update, I wonder why GM didn't offer the new-gen V8 in this, are they waiting for 2026 models or a new-gen, outside of the executive package for the 2nd-row, what else for the 2nd and 3rd, I hear the executive package 2nd-row seat cant fold flat (true or not?)
For the first time in Cadillac's history, I see an Escalade with an ugly exterior, very ugly, I mean the front of the car. I expect they've ruined the Escalade legend for 2025
they went from the best looking headlights (2015-2020) to them stupid ass light's smh,they could have did better they getting worse and worse just when i tought 2021 sucked
Funny, the rear tire scissors are close to the ground, as if they are dragging them on the asphalt. What is this? An industrial failure. It looks ugly from the back, because the belly of the car is clearly disgusting.
4 out of 10 - Front grille is hideous - Too many screens - Lacquered wood is hideous - Still no window shades for babies in the back seat - Only people over 50 like chrome - Overall design is for an old man Throughly disappointed. I'd rather buy a 2024 GMC Yukon Ultimate. Black on black with chrome delete.
I don’t think people are confused about if *gm* is keeping Apple CarPlay, i think *gm* has made it clear their latest gen. infotainment systems no longer _need_ CarPlay but people like you are paid actors pushing the narrative that they do. I think folks who feel the only way they can buy a vehicle is if CarPlay is available are confused. Those headlight modules aren’t from the Escalade _IQ_ this execution is unique to the gasoline Escalade and the differences are clear when they’re side-by-side. Y’all have never really cared to get the details correct on a Cadillac around these parts so can’t say that I’m surprised.
Do you work for GM? Because you seem to be pushing a narrative that suggests you do. Many (if not most) people do in fact care about Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. The auto manufacturers should focus on building quality vehicles (something that is quite lacking these days) and let the technology companies like Apple and Samsung handle infotainment. We all know GM doesn’t have a good track record of quality infotainment experiences. And even if their new stuff is better, why would you want to be sucked into their paywall? Because that’s what you’re ultimately buying into. You want certain features? Better pay up for that subscription fee. And if not now, it will be that way in the future. Especially, if we continue to give the auto manufacturers even more control over the vehicles that we buy. Most people don’t want more fees, and would much rather use the phone they are already paying for. They aren’t confused. They’re actually quite smart. And there’s absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be allowed to have options. It’s not hard to just let people choose what they want.
@@TH-camr4Life4Ever Again, you’re hitching yourself to Apple simply because you’re trying to run away from a subscription plan you’re too cheap to subscribe to that doesn’t help you when your phone is lost/stolen or damaged by a spilled drink. A built-in more advanced infotainment system connected to the internet directly from the car will be more useful to families and people on the daily. Where is the logic in trying to keep a company you just bought a brand new car from out of the way of your hard earned money when you just handed them the money to take their product home? Unfortunately for you, Apple doesn’t make cars and auto manufacturers don’t sell smartphones so they have to collaborate and that’s what *gm* just did. Now you want to boycott the auto manufacturer because it requires the same type of subscription Apple Music now requires with or _without_ transportation or a way around. Apple has you by the balls and you’re clueless, sweetheart.
@@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806 What sensible reason are you referring to? So because GM says we don’t need CarPlay, we just roll over and agree with them? That makes zero sense. My point above still stands. Once we, as the consumers, bow down to corporate greed, there is no coming back from that. But that’s fine, you keep paying your subscription fees to access the features on your vehicle.
@@G-Rated Or, sadly, I worked on the line in Hamtramck for many years assembling a lot of Cadillacs. I loved working there (mostly) but a lot of the product was doomed to defects by our manufacturing processes, the lack of quality review, and cost cutting.
Well, that infiniti qx80 had a good month or so if hype.
Lol😭😭
I mean xfinity...my infiniti tried, but they only added things the Cad6 I already have! Therefore, they are still behind to me. They tried advertising they new speakers in the head rest of the seat. When Cadillac already had that and that rear view camera in the mirror.
umm the Infiniti is better in EVERY way possible and then some X10
@@DaleWilly no he is not
Lol😂
Just picked up a new to me 2019 Escalade that im sure ill keep for a long time but im definitely looking forward to owning one of these newer ones one day.
Keep your 2019 it looks way better than this crap and will last longer.
The last nice looking Escalade. These new ones are an abomination.
I think 2021 and 2024 look very nice this one i dont know. I own 2019 esv and i sont know why i keep fixing it at 37k miles. Front and rear struts and shocks replaced and other things. I hope it last but i should not be replacing that at 36k miles.
@@atlant2566 I have two 2017s and don’t really have issues like that. I guess it depends on how you drive it and the roads in your city. 2021 has engine issues.
Great choice bro
The 23/24 models are gonna tank in value. Finally Caddy gets it right by adding the right options such as rear heated/vented seats.
What makes you think the #1 luxury SUV that’s been unchanged for 4+ years will suddenly lose any value it had once the slightly updated model is revealed? This isn’t even a full redesign, it’s just a MCE. It’s the same generation Escalade and the 2025 is a more technologically advanced and luxurious version of the same Cadillac.
@@G-Rated more technologically advanced and luxurious version of the same Cadillac.
you said the above the 22-24 versions are an overpriced Denali and with the new Tech&options the older ones value will drop faster.
Escalades always tank in value
@@Elevation86 Lots of luxury cars do in fact. That’s the point.
@@davealmer3803that made absolutely no sense. Most of the truck is the same compared to the 24 which would help the pre-refresh retain some of its value.
Lincoln will never catch up
I’m a Lincoln guy and yea it’ll be nice but it won’t match up unfortunately. I’d be shocked if it comes close tho 😂.
@@michaelmcmillon5933Ford guy and completely agree with you
Have you seen the nautilus ? Best part it's not made in the US ,So no crappy Workmanship
@@michaelmcmillon5933they might, because there’s a new coming in from the outside it looks pretty good, but I’ve not seen the inside
The next Navigator will probably have an interior similar to the Nautilus
It's only CarPlay users who mainly keep binging this up. The built in Android Automotive system does everything I need.
I’m an owner of several Apple products including an iPhone 14, and I agree! I think they sound like crackheads when they talk about how Apple CarPlay is mandatory and there’s no question it’s a necessity for all humans.
I’m even beginning to think Apple is fattening pockets and paying for this type of constant rhetoric from reviewers, because it’s getting more obvious why it isn’t needed in newer *gm* products yet the demands for it are getting more ridiculous.
Not everyone has an android bud. Infact more people have iphones.
@@Inferno45 That's factually not true and easy to look up.
@@G-Ratedbro i need apple car play it makes life easier
Apple owners are like Toyota owners....
Removing the Duramax as an option is a poor choice on GM's part. It's a great powerplant for more efficient road trips and towing. Diesel is even cheaper than 91 gas (recommended for the 6.2) in my area so it's better fuel efficiency wise and fuel cost wise as well. Getting 20+ MPG on the highway with the Duramax is better than maybe 20 MPG with the 6.2L. It's likely the demographic that buys the Escalade that removed the Duramax. Thankfully, the Chevy and GMC SUVs can still have it...for now.
People buying the Escalade don't want the slightest bit of extra maintenance.
Makes a little sense. Never seen a Escalade with a Duramax only Yukons and Tahoes. People buying 100k+ suvs don’t really care about efficiency lol.
Their idea is that the Escalade is so luxurious (specially now) that a diesel is just stupid, they want people to buy the Escalade IQ if they want to save gas 100% or maybe there will be a plug in hybrid Escalade so a diesel is just stupid since most people buy the V8 version, it would have been worse to still have the diesel option but a V6 turbo as gas engine.
@@bostonaviation2010 that's the point, the Yukon is for the type of people that may want something luxurious but save gas because they travel a lot or tow, this Escalade specially with this redesign it's closer to more top class people that doesn't care about a diesel.
@@FacuGonz3 right
Damn, this looks even nicer than the last gen model. The red color looks the best.
24"!!
At this point, might as well just slap rubber on the rims and call it a day!
Wheel arches are huge. They look proportionate. 🤷🏻
@@Tiovergudo just makes it easier to scrap a nice set of wheels and tires in a nice and not necessarily deep pothole 🤷
@@christianglaude6659what are you even complaining about? A $130,000 luxury SUV shouldn’t offer an upscale large wheel because pot hole exists??
@@G-Rated I'm not complaining, I'm just making my opinion, if you don't like it....move on and don't pay attention to it.
Like a forklift tire
What a great refresh! However, I agree that it needs a diesel or even a hybrid for more power. Maybe that's why GMC Denali is so popular? Thanks again Roman!
the Cad is so much better than the Ranger Rover.
ESCALADE
Ultimate SUV 💎
Nice caddy! Definitely loving the upgrades
Great seeing more Roman videos but I’m already missing his OG buddy / partner Nathan!! Growth and evolution can be rough but I look forward to seeing how TFL will grow!!
You and me both!
The upper “lights” drls are a bit slim and don’t even appear to light up ? Kind of weird
It’s a private jet for the road. Ultimate road tripper
Why does everyone start off videos telling me what they are going to tell me, instead of just telling me? The title already tells me that you are going to tell me about it.
Apple car play/ Android Auto has been a game changer for years now
I'm so glad Cadillac abandoned their plans in turning the escalade into an EV exclusive.
Nice I love the vertical lights and they finally used up the wasted blanket area in the front. I want one!…
Looks amazing ...Maybe moving upstream into Rolls Royce, Maybach, upper Land Rover etc territory.
DEFINITELY NOT RR territory...
Have got to say that the 2025 Refresh Escalade sure screams and sounds luxury overall look to it. And possibly Lincoln might not able or will catch up with its technology, I mean who knows when. But 2025 Escalade is sexy and such beyond beauty:).🙌🏻🙌🏻💯💯🤞🏼
People are sleeping on this, way better then a fully load sport range
I like the design much better than the Escalade IQ! Anybody know if they added window privacy shades in the rear? One of the reviewers mentioned that they can be controlled by using the rear screen (luxury package), but diddn't show them.
I'm all in!😊
Oh man it looks AWESOME! I did like the current design except the front was way to simple for what the Escalade is. This redesign is stunning, sticks out, and really fleshes out that massive real estate of a front fascia.
The "eyes" look slanted. We need an interview with the front end designer.
Yeah they look too chinese
My dream SUV! Has been for years! Do you know they will come out with an extended ESV version in 2025?
Will GM consider a Hybrid for the Escalade. Corvette has an E-Ray. Makes sense.
Hopefully the 6.2L V8 with a nice big battery. 🔋
Front screens gives a serious Jeep Grand Wagoneer vibe - feel something is lost in dash design.
Nathan’s absence in studio is definitely noticeable.
@@RandomVids519 you’re obviously new here. Nathan moved to California.
Nobody misses that nitpicking, whinny, & biased Ford fanboy.
@@G-Rated Nissan fanboy. Nathan loves Frontiers, but half the audience is convinced he’s a Toyota shill. Ford bias is new to me, but everyone has a conspiracy angle these days.
@@G-Ratedthe whole TFL sucks off ford
@@RandomVids519 vacation* NOT holiday
I wished this came in a V model ❤ ! We currently have a 2023 suburban we have been waiting for the new 2025 SUV’s to get revealed before we trade our suburban in so far this and the qx80 is leading the way !
Uh it has since 2023
@@brandonmorgan1696 ofc but with these new emissions and stuff who’s to say they make a v for 25 year ? I just hope they do
@@JQURNEY
There is also a refreshed V model Escalade for 2025 as well.
@@TheBjjones oh damn thank you that’s nice to know !
@@JQURNEYThe red Escalade at 7:43 is the refreshed V.
Lets focus on the reliability of the engine.... Stunning SUV but worthless if the engine is crap
They are fixing the issues at the moment....
C'MON POWERBALL / MEGA MILLIONS!!! DADDY NEEDS A NEW CADDY!!! LOL
hey it's a literal chevrolet movie theatre, sorta 🤣. Just needs and option for croc or gator skin seats
I wonder though, if they were having such a hard time moving duramax's maybe there's some good deals to be had on a 2023 or 24 diesel Slade? 🤔
Looks so crisp 👌
Yeah the opening door has got to have some sort of sensor so it doesnt hit things...
Not a big fan of the new front
Cadillac Escalade should also just have oxford leather or cloth seats too!🧘🧘🧘🧘🧘🧘🛣🛣🛣🛣🛣🛣🚙🚙🚙🚙🚙🚙
i cant wait to go look at it at the dealer...
Do we have power pedals again?
No thank you I don't like the way the headlights are imagine how much they're going to cost if you need to replace them and it's not under warranty same thing with the dash if those screens go out 😁
No front fog lights on the lower bumper.
So sad there getting rid of the diesel , I’ll have to settle for a gmc Yukon
Nice. A question. That little side table or laptop stand at roughly the 14 sec mark, is that an available option/accessory, and will that work for the driver in the front row too? When parked of course. I was planning on a 2025 Escalade Sport Platinum with the improved diesel for its great mpg. If it is not available then I will likely not get an Escalade Too bad. Terrible decision Cadillac. And I have zero interest in an all electric EV, doesn't give me the flexibility I need. though I might have considered a decent hybrid like the Powerboost on the F150's. I do like the idea of an optional rear center console though, low so the pass thru for long items from the rear would still be there.
Android owners don’t drive Escalades….keep CarPlay lol
"Android owners dont drive escaldes" 🥴
Are you sure about that?
I wish the GM vans would get super cruise. I’d buy a extended custom van. GMC van.
not a fan of the background music
i would love to see these on used car lots in about 8 years, screens, dull or chipped, burn marks...lol
It’s nice but Cadillacs are destined for pricey repairs! Maybe if Cadillac issues a warranty that covers engine and electrical issues for 100000 miles.
Trust you’ll be at the dealership by 40k miles
Not a huge fan of the thin headlights. I love all the otber changes made
why they switch into column shift
So, the King of the full-size body-on-frame luxury SUV gets an update, I wonder why GM didn't offer the new-gen V8 in this, are they waiting for 2026 models or a new-gen, outside of the executive package for the 2nd-row, what else for the 2nd and 3rd, I hear the executive package 2nd-row seat cant fold flat (true or not?)
If it wasn't so long I would get it
It looks like a Tahoe. And it looks old af.. No, just no. Come on Cadillac do better!
I need one
Where's the live footage at?
Wonder why Joe Raiti gets all the new previews instead of TFL & the other more established/competent reviewers?
You should probably ask Cadillac and not us🤔
Based on your testy response & judging by your lack of live footage of the 2025 Escalade, it looks as if you should be asking Cadillac/GM yourself. 😆
Bruh they ruined it. It looks Chinese now. 😂
I don't care about apple car play being gone.
In 2026, it will have a breathalyzer 😂
For the first time in Cadillac's history, I see an Escalade with an ugly exterior, very ugly, I mean the front of the car. I expect they've ruined the Escalade legend for 2025
2021 is ugly too in my opinion.
Cadillac V 🤤
Sweet 😊
Love it
they went from the best looking headlights (2015-2020) to them stupid ass light's smh,they could have did better they getting worse and worse just when i tought 2021 sucked
24" rims are stupid, as are those who buy those vehicles. But really that vehicle is way too big and tall, like so many other US models.
Cry about it
Mannn.....alll is good but the front end with the headlights in the bumper is just ugly!!
Funny, the rear tire scissors are close to the ground, as if they are dragging them on the asphalt. What is this? An industrial failure. It looks ugly from the back, because the belly of the car is clearly disgusting.
The new front is hideous. The current gen is batter look
I could have just read the press release myself...
Here you go. Please feel free to read it: newspressusa.com/publicReleaseView/77444
@@TFLnow 😭😭
@@TFLnow got eeeeeem 😂
4 out of 10
- Front grille is hideous
- Too many screens
- Lacquered wood is hideous
- Still no window shades for babies in the back seat
- Only people over 50 like chrome
- Overall design is for an old man
Throughly disappointed. I'd rather buy a 2024 GMC Yukon Ultimate. Black on black with chrome delete.
GM will sell every single 2025 Escalade that they can produce! And still dominate and lead the segment in sales!
I don’t think people are confused about if *gm* is keeping Apple CarPlay, i think *gm* has made it clear their latest gen. infotainment systems no longer _need_ CarPlay but people like you are paid actors pushing the narrative that they do. I think folks who feel the only way they can buy a vehicle is if CarPlay is available are confused.
Those headlight modules aren’t from the Escalade _IQ_ this execution is unique to the gasoline Escalade and the differences are clear when they’re side-by-side. Y’all have never really cared to get the details correct on a Cadillac around these parts so can’t say that I’m surprised.
Do you work for GM? Because you seem to be pushing a narrative that suggests you do. Many (if not most) people do in fact care about Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. The auto manufacturers should focus on building quality vehicles (something that is quite lacking these days) and let the technology companies like Apple and Samsung handle infotainment. We all know GM doesn’t have a good track record of quality infotainment experiences. And even if their new stuff is better, why would you want to be sucked into their paywall? Because that’s what you’re ultimately buying into. You want certain features? Better pay up for that subscription fee. And if not now, it will be that way in the future. Especially, if we continue to give the auto manufacturers even more control over the vehicles that we buy. Most people don’t want more fees, and would much rather use the phone they are already paying for. They aren’t confused. They’re actually quite smart. And there’s absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be allowed to have options. It’s not hard to just let people choose what they want.
@@TH-camr4Life4Ever *Do you work for Apple,* or are you one of the cheap crackheads I described earlier? EXACTLY. 🤡
@@TH-camr4Life4Ever Again, you’re hitching yourself to Apple simply because you’re trying to run away from a subscription plan you’re too cheap to subscribe to that doesn’t help you when your phone is lost/stolen or damaged by a spilled drink. A built-in more advanced infotainment system connected to the internet directly from the car will be more useful to families and people on the daily.
Where is the logic in trying to keep a company you just bought a brand new car from out of the way of your hard earned money when you just handed them the money to take their product home? Unfortunately for you, Apple doesn’t make cars and auto manufacturers don’t sell smartphones so they have to collaborate and that’s what *gm* just did. Now you want to boycott the auto manufacturer because it requires the same type of subscription Apple Music now requires with or _without_ transportation or a way around. Apple has you by the balls and you’re clueless, sweetheart.
No. He does not work for them. He is stating what us actually the most sensible reason why.
@@ramaswamynarayanaswamy4806
What sensible reason are you referring to? So because GM says we don’t need CarPlay, we just roll over and agree with them? That makes zero sense. My point above still stands. Once we, as the consumers, bow down to corporate greed, there is no coming back from that. But that’s fine, you keep paying your subscription fees to access the features on your vehicle.
HORRIBLE dash redesign!!!!
The front is Botched. Looks Chinese.
👍👍👍👍👍👍
THE JEEP WAGONEER S IS BETTER
the exterior refresh is an improvement, but man that tablet all across the dash and climate control is just lazy design.
Nissan Versa is better.
Stop smoking crack...😒
Too much stuff……enjoy $150K buyers. It will be worth $60K in a year after use.
Why tf would you want a diesel Escalade. Just buy a suburban high country diesel.
Far more reliable
@@invisisense5464 I was going more for saving money cuz they are the same trucks on the same platform so their reliability isnt really gonna differ
@@Inferno45 I hear the V8 has its fair share of problems
Escalades are what keep mechanics is business 😅😅 garbage
Trashcalade
Sadly, still assembled by GM.
Clearly know nothing about *gm.*
@@G-Rated Or, sadly, I worked on the line in Hamtramck for many years assembling a lot of Cadillacs. I loved working there (mostly) but a lot of the product was doomed to defects by our manufacturing processes, the lack of quality review, and cost cutting.
Minor defects most likely. Nothing that stops sales.....