The mental gymnastics you guys have to do to justify Daret's Coach of the Year award is astounding! Rassie played more than 50 players throughout the year and his only two losses were with 1 point. Bearing in mind that he has a new attack coach and a new defense coach. That's just amazing!
PSdT's performance in the world cup final has to be one of the best games played by any player ever. I wouldn't be surprised if Jodie Barrett still gets twitchy anytime he sees something move in his peripheral vision because it might just be Du Toit.
To be blunt, Daret coached France since 2017 with little improvement until du Ponte came on. It's very hard to argue the biggest factor wasn't du Ponte's brilliance. Doesn't mean the coaching wasn't excellent, but this just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. That said, none of this really matters, and everyone that got an award was deserving. Some may just have been more deserving.
Exactly, if you think about it hypothetically, they make a dream 15 for the year, and then pick the best coach, logically the coach in a hypothetical world is coaching that Dream 15, so how can it be a Sevens coach?
Ox Nche has been the most devastating loosehead scrummager that we've seen in a long, long time. It used to be that he would come on as bomb squad replacement for Kitshoff and therefore be scrumming against either tired or poor tightheads. Well, since Kitshoff went away with injury (also, get well soon, Kitsie!!) Ox has been out frontline loosehead and ... He pretty much destroyed everything in his path. How he has not even received a nomination is beyond me. World Rugby has never ever even nominated a prop to WPOTY and I think this is a disgusting undermining tactic. I'm very proud of PSDT winning the award and with two of these awards, plus two world cups to his name and a B&I Lions tour victory, that puts him firmly into GOAT contention. But I still would have picked Ox.
@@WolfgangCola That would be a sad end. If it does mean the end of his career though, the Spicy Plum will go down in history as one of the greatest looseheads ever. But! There might still be hope for our favourite Ginger
I'd have to disagree with you. Is Ox the best prop this year? Probably. But he only averaged 52 minutes/game for the Boks this year. It sucks for props but unless you play at least 75-80% of the games your play in, I don't think you should be considered
@@omerdvir1709 I think it's like an unwritten requirement in a way. If you look at any South Africa game, 9/10 PSDT will have a greater impact on the game simply due to him playing 30 more minutes every game than Ox. Ox definitely deserves his praise, and maybe it's the nature of the sport today or the fact that the Boks have the bomb squad. When they have their 7-1 bench split, it's PSDT who stays on the pitch. It hurts any props chances of getting player of the year
Eben is so overrated. Eben vs Ardie 2023 WC: Tackles: 51 - 56 Carries: 14 - 55 Meters: 39 - 297 Meters/Carry: 2.8 - 5.4 Defenders Beat: 3 - 27 And so on. Ardie was a monster last year, carried through ABs to the final.
@@zachb1706yeah savea is a loose forwards. Stats wil be diffrent hahah and he is a 8 so he wil carry more and beat deffence more. I would have given it to eben to be honest. Savea should have won it in 2022 not 23
I understand your argument about Coach of the year gentlemen but it is nullified by the 2023 coach of the year award. These inconsistencies just make it impossible to know what’s good enough to win coach of the year.
Three issues with coach of the year. One, why were the Fijian coaches never awarded for their back to back Olympics golds? If winning A major tournament is the standard ... Then why didn't Nienarber get it in 2023? But rather WR gave it to a coach that could not get his team past the knock out stages at the world cup! Makes no sense! Second, why combine 7 and 15 coach of the years, where all the other categories they are separate? Three, there has to be metric to measure these awards, not just subjective "gut feel" ... Like the best coach, base it on the win to loss ratio in that year! That way tier 2 nations with a great win/loose ratios can feature!
Would whats his face win coach of the year if Dupont didn't play 7s this year? Of course not. Your mental gymnastics to justify it is a little over the top.
Du pont played 2 tournaments, what about all the 7s players who played 12 months onntour for f all salary ?? Undermines all other 7s players who dedicate their lives for no money, is it best player or best impact player?
There’s a long tradition of World Rugby shafting South Africa at these awards: - Fourie du Preez should’ve won in 2009 (Irish fans could feel just as aggrieved about BoD). - Kurt-Lee Arendse should’ve won breakout player of the year in 2022: scored seven tries in seven tests against all of the top teams. - Jacques Nienaber should’ve won coach of the year in 2023. - The World XV last year was an absolute joke. Just one Springbok in the entire squad? - And yes, Rassie should’ve won coach of the year this year. Who else has innovated and advanced the game more this year? Who else has maintained an 85% winrate with an average of 13 changes every game, won literally every trophy on offer, and evolved an already imperious team to new levels? No one.
Let's talk about 2009. So the Bulls won the Super XIV by absolutely destroying the Chiefs. In the Rugby Championship, South Africa whitewashed New Zealand, 3 games to nil. One in NZ, two in South Africa. World player of the year? McCaw. Absolute BS
@jacquescoetzee47 Oh snap! I completely forgot about that BIL series! I'm a huge fan of McCaw, he is on my GOAT list, I respect the hell out of him, but him getting that award in 2009 was absolutely horseshit.
To all you whinging Saffers. The French coach deserved the title of Coach of the Year. He took a side rated No. 1 in the world to No. 4 in the world despite having amazing depth of talent. It takes exceptional skill as a coach to do that. If only Foster was on the same short list....
So France won the 7's because Dupont is so wonderful....it was all him on his own right? So why does the France 7's coach gets coach of the year? His team was losing and only won because of Dupont right? Wonderful French charity work by World Rugby.
Dupont 7s player of year is a total insult.. played very limited tournaments mainly not as a starter.. it's tho they needed to find a medal for him.. yes won a olympic title but not just because of him.. Argentina win a maiden world series title and they didn't win as player or coach of year..
Du Pont only made a big impact because of who he is, everyone had their eyes on him as to how he would perform instead of looking at others as well. Couch of the year and 7's player of the year is just World Rugby being sour puss and ignores what Rassie gas been doing, winning every single trophy available this year 19:19
I honestly don't see how you want Etzebeth to have won for his legacy etc, but then Daret wins one Olympic gold and then he's the best coach of the year. Sorry, I enjoy your analysis, but Rassie deserved it a helluva lot more than Daret... not that Rassie really cares, but give credit where credit is due. He has been the best coach in the world this year and over the last 6 years you could argue. Took a team from nowhere in 2018 to winning a world cup in the next 18 months. By your logic with Daret, he should have won that year then at least.... That's a legacy that will be hard to top, not Daret.
@@libertyavalanche and when last was a prop that dominant in a season? Ox has world class ... To your point, a prop has never been nominated let alone winning it!
Guys, don't try roasting people. It's not your thing, and it's cringe. Squidge: Your biggest problem as a rugby personality is that you need to remember the position in which you specialise.
It's definitely cringe but Saffas are going to come out fighting if we feel that we've been wronged. Our team gets way mire flack than any other...guaranteed.
Nothing unusual. Sprinboks getting shafted yet again. A team that has been lauded by many since 2018, and so few players and coaches get the recognition they deserve. Maar, wat kan ek sê? Hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie. (Yes I am salty that they don’t get all the awards)
In one section you compare du pont going to 7s as messi going to futsal, now you're basically sayimg the futsal manager won football manager of the year. i struggle to understand this argument.
@@johankotze727 That is the best explanation I can imagine though. I love SVNS, it's a fun sport and all, but let's not pretend that it's Cheslin Kolbe and Ardie Savea who play in those comps these days.
Don't agree that there is no weakness in Kildunne's game. Her defence isn't great and neither is her distribution. When the pressure is on, which let's be honest is very rare when England are playing, she's looks pretty ordinary. My first name on the sheet would always be Abby Dow. Or Zoe Aldcroft. Or Alex Matthews. Quite a contrary view I know.
The argument I would have and Daret has been the coach for the French 7s team since 2017. The big change this year was the inclusion of DuPont. If you look at the winner of coach of the year Jacque Nienaber didn’t win in a year when he won a World Cup?
@@TheMintedAero1993 True. I would think that's due to fitness levels, or more accurately, the difference in fitness required between 7's and 15's. In the XV game, the hits are way harder, but you get to conserve energy for the largest part of the game to hopefully release it in some kind of satanic fury when you make a break. You can't play flat out, you have to conserve energy. In Sevens, it's basically a sprint for a short period of time, two or maybe three times a day.
Dupont winning is disrespectful to all other full-time 7s players, including his teammates. And please understand, AD is one of the best in XV, and will probably go down as a Top 3 in his position, but playing 20 minutes in TOTAL, throughout the entire 7's season is simply... not enough. I think there should be a required minimum of minutes played to be eligible to win individual awards, like the NBA does with its 65-game min. for MVP, DPOY, etc.
Question about naming someone as best player overall (men and women): how do you determine that? How do you compare Ellie Kildunne to PSDT for example?
Agree, did he win because of his coaching or because of the player (s) available to him. How long has he been a coach, if he cannot maintain this standard and improve on it in the coming season, then we need a refund!
6 Nations and Rugby Championships are hands down bigger, more important competitions than the Olympic sevens...which is what, a 2 day tournament? I didn't even know the sevens was on until the semi finals...and I watched 2 minutes. Sevens (and women's rugby) should 1000% have separate coaching awards. Combining them just robs every deserving person of their flowers imho
Dupont rightly won 7s Player of the Year because he single-handedly lifted a team with a mediocre coach who achieved nothing since 2017. Which is why it's absolutely batshit insane and a fucking joke that Rassie didn't win. It is a fucking conspiracy.
A conspiracy against SA ? with the "help" rhey had during WC it's hilarious, but I do agree that Rassie probably deserved it better, but hey, they should have two distinctions, for 7 and XV anyway.
I think Alex Matthews was better than Kildunne, especially showing any time England faced good teams (France, Canada, New Zealand) where the England forwards and Matthews in particular were far more crucial than Kildunne. I won't deny Kildunne crucifies weaker teams, but she's a bit "win more" in those fixtures for me.
Dupont played what? 2 or 3 7s games and wins 7s player of the year. Their coach is someone no-one knows and he is coach of the year. Okay. Good way to reward those full-time 7s players I guess. What happened to team of the year. Just disappeared quietly.
he played 4 tournaments (counting the olympics), 1st one: bronze, 2nd and 3rd: gold, Olympics : Gold. Before Dupont came in 7 France did not win a tournament for a long time. I'm pretty sure he is the player who had the most impact on 7 this year. If you disagree, which can be understood, try at least to do it honestly
I don't think Coach of the Year should be based on a turnaround from previous years. Rassie is an even better coach now than when he won the award five years ago. I don't think one can compare 7s tournaments to a 15s World Cup or the Rugby Championship, either. I agree that Rassie probably doesn't care though.
How can anybody with any logic say Dupont is the single best player in the world? Can he scrum? Can he jump in the lineout? Can he reach the top shelf in the store? You can at most say he is the best 9 in the world, but no single person can be the best rugby player in the world.
Lads, love the channel, love your analysis, love listening to the pair of you chat BUT Rassie not having won coach or the year is almost as infuritating as Bill Sweeneys salary announcement. I say this as a hurt objective Englishman
About Rassie, clearly a great manager, maybe voters remebered how he talked about the refs not guinguette his way not so long ago. I reckon he's pushed the limits way too far there
What I dislike is the logic of Dupont: he won 7s player of the year because of his impact, with the recognition that France wete a middling team without him. However, they won't award Rassie coach pf the year, despite winning a world cup with a team that was nowhere just a year prior to that. So winning a world cup didn't matter. THEN you have them this year awarding the French coach the award for having so-so results throughout the year but he won the world cup so 🤷. So winning an Olympic gold trumps everything I guess. Then you award Farrel coach of the year despite him losing two tests and getting eliminated in a quarterfinal, but Rassie has a similar record plus winning every trophy available and yet they award it to Daret. So in totality, Springbok fans do have a point pointing out bias because trophies 🏆 simultaneously mean everything and nothing depending on who won them
@@MorrisdeSaucer okay, you think we're just moaning. That's fine. If you think we don't have a case, then I'd like to bring your attention to the Year of Our Lord, 2009. The Bulls won Super Rugby that year, beating the Chiefs in the final by 61-17 or something. The Springboks had a British and Irish Lions tour, which they won 2 games to 1. They then went onto the Tri Nations (the precursor to the Rugby Championship) and won it really convincingly, whitewashing New Zealand 3 games to nil. World Player Of The Year for 2009? Richie McCaw. If you think we are just salty, please explain him winning that award in that year.
Not a conspiracy against SA Rugby..That's not what is being said .. Conspiracy against prop forwards ? Absolutely... Unfortunately I cannot comment on Woman's Rugby awards .I don't watch it ..As far as Rassie goes ..Whole world knows he is the best coach in the sport...Except so called World Rugby .
You made a great example of Messi playing for whatever you called it. fussball. Now am sure there has been many great achievements by coaches in fussball. but never do we compare it to the 11 aside of football. the impact just cannot be comared. think about it. how many nations beside france had their best player playing for them in Sevens. no wonder they won then. it was not the coach. he has been there for a while. its the players that came in for a short while like dupont that made the team strong. as for Rassie in 2017. He inherited the same players who had been beaten by record scores previously and turned them to world champions. this is simply wrong in all levels of considerations. there is no excuse for it and no justifying it at all
Squidge has moved of from shoving Dupont down everybody's throat as the supposed best player in the world to now saying a women is the best player in the world. Ellie has been awsome and is the single most talented female player I've ever seen but call a spade a fucking spade. Best women's player to ever play by far but she wouldent even start for a tier 2 men's club Listen Ellies been awesome and completely deserved the award. Best female player to probably ever play but she is simply not the best player in the world and never will be. A male player will win a head on head every single time barely even trying. We don't have a direct comparison in rugby but need I remind you of the Australian u16 boys soccer team beating the national women's team and it wasn't close, the golden oldies team of retired men whooping a professional women's team by 16 goals and a top 10 women's tennis player saying she'd beat the top men easily just to get whooped by a guy barely in the top 150 in the world
Haha "woke nonsense". I've seen mad saffa fans, of all people, throwing the word around. Isn't that a proof "woke" means absolutely nothing ^^ As for Rassie, well maybe last year he should've been on top not Andy Farrell. But this year, definitely not. And maybe, just maybe he's still paying for his extremely foul past comments against referees. A great coach is competent in his job but also an inspiration and an example to follow.
The animosity towards Springboks fans is atrocious when every other teams fans are the same and a pure representation of the how World Rugby treats the Springboks... I've seen disgusting comments calling Saffas are just from a 3rd world country...and I guess that's how the world views SA...how can a country from Africa dominate the world
Someone seems to forget Du Pont and Galthie behavior in a press conference after World Cup loss critising the ref...seems that you are okay with double standards...
"Animosity", lol. If making light fun of them for using the w word is animosity, then what word would you use to describe the twitter answers to Jerome Daret's win ? I'm interested to know. War crime probably? Anyway, Erasmus' vicious attacks on referees are still unforgivable.
@@johnnibaz6883 This three minute clip is from a End Of Year Test, 2004, between Ireland and South Africa. th-cam.com/video/P6kty-xjCn0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=VHb-kNgmqhph3peK Ireland is on South Africa's goal line. South Africa defends by slowing up the ball and the ref, New Zealander Paul Honiss, pings South Africa for repeated infringements. Time on the clock stops. Honiss admonishes Bok captain John Smit, tells him that the next infringement will be a yellow card. He even says "Go talk to your players." So while John Smit is talking to his players, Ronan O'Gara takes a quick tap, runs to the try line and dots down. Ref awards it. How the referee still had a job after this and not investigated for match fixing is beyond me. We have been dealing with this kind of reffing for a very long time. Before Paul Honiss there was Stuart Dickinson. Then there was this guy called Bryce Lawrence. Nic Berry was just the latest in a very long line of refs who were able to get away with the most shocking calls against the Boks. Well, he didn't get away that time. The referees don't get to be sacrosanct if they cannot be impartial.
SA only won one Gold medal in the 2024 Olympic’s because gold medals are so difficult to win , the french 7s coach equaled SAs gold total , a bit of respect for that man. It’s time the SA fans stopped the incessant whining 😂.
@ no you cant you have to first qualify on time to get to the Olympics then you must beat more than 70 competitors, you can win a World Cup rugby by beating 6 teams …..
@@davidwalker2402 The same applies to the world cup. More than a hundred nations battle it out to get to the World Cup and usually, only top 20 even gets to go. It's the same usual suspects in both forms in the game that you have to beat to win the top prize. The fifteens game is the one that carries more prestige, has more recognisable stars and pays bigger.
@ no its not the same , SA won 5 games 3 by a single point to win the WC, you just have your head stuck up your arse, winning an Olympic gold medal is a lot harder than winning a rugby championship and thats all Rassie won in 2024. If gold medals were easy how come SA with a population only one a single gold medal in Paris
@davidwalker2402 Why do you lot always resort to insults? Are you unable to carry an argument like a decent, civilised adult? Is it just the way you were raised, or what? No, the sevens is way down the pecking order in terms of prestige, in terms of viewership and attendance. It is much lower down in terms of sponsorships, player salaries, and the amount of stars. The comparison made with football and futsal is spot on. Futsal is the less glamorous of the two. For some sports, the olympic gold medal is the highest achievement possible. But this is not the case for boxing (where the best boxers are barred from competing), football (where it's essentially U23 sides playing and rugby union (where you cannot hold a fair tournament of fifteen man rugby) The players are less known, the coaches are less known, the pay is not nearly as good and much less people watch in the lucrative markets.
Rassie lost against the supposedly minnow team Ireland at home, how could he FFS, WHAT A LOSER! 😂😂, Ireland defy him again ofva clean sweep, hehehehehehehe! Cost him this prize
I personally thought Ireland was on par with SA at the time they played. I can't think of any reasonable person that genuinely thinks Ireland isn't an incredible team. Their showing was to Ireland's credit, not SA's detriment imo.
The funny things about all the Saffas playing victims in the comments on social media is that you know if France had not won the gold medal, they would have destroyed the guy painting him as a mediocre player. They cannot bear Dupont success they cannot replicate, he lives rent free in their heads, it is weird really. Kudos for PSDT for winning a second award, he is a beast.
What shite are you talking mate!?!?! "Success they cannot replicate?" Please elaborate on this as I'm sure the Boks are successful as a team..... not so? Lives rent free.......15 October 2023.😉
Sounds like copium to me. Most South Africans aren't say Dupont doesn't deserve it, just that the Bokke are underrepresented in international awards in general.
I cant believe I'm saying this but I think you are uderestimating DuPont by defending the French 7s coach. Rassie should have won it. The best sevens coach this year has been Santiago Gomez Cora, they were the best and most interesting team of the series. They introduced the championship tournament this year and Argentina lost to Dupont's France but any other year they would have been series champions. And in the olympics they also lost to Dupont, who I think despite the few games he player in sevens deserved to be named best player.
rugby awards ?... une grosse farce ; nous les français, on sait que nos joueurs seront traités défavorablement comme sur le terrain... aucun français retenu dans le quinze ; et quelques miettes à 7... et les saffas ultra privilégiés qui pleurent... grotesque ; les français devraient boycotter ce genre de cérémonies...
Biggest question is why are all the awards split into 15s/7s and Men/Women, but coach of the year is just all together🤔
The mental gymnastics you guys have to do to justify Daret's Coach of the Year award is astounding! Rassie played more than 50 players throughout the year and his only two losses were with 1 point. Bearing in mind that he has a new attack coach and a new defense coach. That's just amazing!
PSdT's performance in the world cup final has to be one of the best games played by any player ever. I wouldn't be surprised if Jodie Barrett still gets twitchy anytime he sees something move in his peripheral vision because it might just be Du Toit.
@@theoneandonlyAeth I put the move by Jordie going to the URC instead of Japanese rugby league down to the Fact that PSDT is in Japan!
To be blunt, Daret coached France since 2017 with little improvement until du Ponte came on. It's very hard to argue the biggest factor wasn't du Ponte's brilliance. Doesn't mean the coaching wasn't excellent, but this just doesn't pass the sniff test for me. That said, none of this really matters, and everyone that got an award was deserving. Some may just have been more deserving.
It does give me Bill Belichick with Tom Brady vibes
There we go, there is the whole argument. It’s really not about DuPont. In fact, it just shows he deserves it more. But that coach award 😂
Twisting the argument in to believing that Daret actually deserves it more than Rassie is hilarious 😂
Yeah, love the content from these two, but they credited France's 7s success to Dupont and then suddenly credited it to Daret.
I feel that there should be separate award for the couches of the 7's and the 15's. Just like they do with the players
Exactly, if you think about it hypothetically, they make a dream 15 for the year, and then pick the best coach, logically the coach in a hypothetical world is coaching that Dream 15, so how can it be a Sevens coach?
Best sevens player should have been Ox Nche. Woke robbery nonsense
Ox who ? How is Dupont's award "woke"? South Africans are hilarious 😂
@@themisterdoggy That joke just went straight over your head, didn't it?
@@themisterdoggyhe should have won couch of the year he was thinking of couching too.
Man played some games and wins. What about the other players.
Clown
Lol 😅
Ox Nche has been the most devastating loosehead scrummager that we've seen in a long, long time. It used to be that he would come on as bomb squad replacement for Kitshoff and therefore be scrumming against either tired or poor tightheads. Well, since Kitshoff went away with injury (also, get well soon, Kitsie!!) Ox has been out frontline loosehead and ... He pretty much destroyed everything in his path.
How he has not even received a nomination is beyond me. World Rugby has never ever even nominated a prop to WPOTY and I think this is a disgusting undermining tactic.
I'm very proud of PSDT winning the award and with two of these awards, plus two world cups to his name and a B&I Lions tour victory, that puts him firmly into GOAT contention.
But I still would have picked Ox.
Here to agree with you and say I think Kitshoff had some nasty sounding surgery on his neck. This might be the last we’ll see of him. :(
@@WolfgangCola That would be a sad end. If it does mean the end of his career though, the Spicy Plum will go down in history as one of the greatest looseheads ever.
But! There might still be hope for our favourite Ginger
I'd have to disagree with you. Is Ox the best prop this year? Probably. But he only averaged 52 minutes/game for the Boks this year. It sucks for props but unless you play at least 75-80% of the games your play in, I don't think you should be considered
@@Slickrick1014 Why not though? Its not a requirement and hes made an awesome impression whike hes been on
@@omerdvir1709 I think it's like an unwritten requirement in a way. If you look at any South Africa game, 9/10 PSDT will have a greater impact on the game simply due to him playing 30 more minutes every game than Ox. Ox definitely deserves his praise, and maybe it's the nature of the sport today or the fact that the Boks have the bomb squad. When they have their 7-1 bench split, it's PSDT who stays on the pitch. It hurts any props chances of getting player of the year
Eben should have won it in 2023.
PSDT total effort in 2024 is on a total different level to anyone else.
Multiple positions, multiple tasks.
Insanity.
Eben is so overrated.
Eben vs Ardie 2023 WC:
Tackles: 51 - 56
Carries: 14 - 55
Meters: 39 - 297
Meters/Carry: 2.8 - 5.4
Defenders Beat: 3 - 27
And so on. Ardie was a monster last year, carried through ABs to the final.
@@zachb1706Eben world cups 2!
@@zachb1706yeah savea is a loose forwards. Stats wil be diffrent hahah and he is a 8 so he wil carry more and beat deffence more.
I would have given it to eben to be honest. Savea should have won it in 2022 not 23
I understand your argument about Coach of the year gentlemen but it is nullified by the 2023 coach of the year award. These inconsistencies just make it impossible to know what’s good enough to win coach of the year.
PSDT-800. A real life terminator sent from the future to win man of the match every game he plays
Reward for the most overrated player ever - Antone Du Pont
Antone Du Pont is definitely overrated... Antoine Dupont though, is Sevens Player ot the Year.
Antoine. Your spelling is overrated
Three issues with coach of the year.
One, why were the Fijian coaches never awarded for their back to back Olympics golds? If winning
A major tournament is the standard ... Then why didn't Nienarber get it in 2023? But rather WR gave it to a coach that could not get his team past the knock out stages at the world cup! Makes no sense!
Second, why combine 7 and 15 coach of the years, where all the other categories they are separate?
Three, there has to be metric to measure these awards, not just subjective "gut feel" ... Like the best coach, base it on the win to loss ratio in that year! That way tier 2 nations with a great win/loose ratios can feature!
Very politically cautious... and very wrong assessment of coach of the year.
Totally agree that Eben Etsebeth should have won. A lifetime achievement award.
Hes dtill playing.
That's a retirement award
Would whats his face win coach of the year if Dupont didn't play 7s this year? Of course not. Your mental gymnastics to justify it is a little over the top.
@@hannesbornman1045 let's see where the french end up in the 7s world series this year ... Without Dupont
@etienne_oosthuizen nowhere is the answer. I am a sage you'll see
Du pont played 2 tournaments, what about all the 7s players who played 12 months onntour for f all salary ?? Undermines all other 7s players who dedicate their lives for no money, is it best player or best impact player?
@@MorrisdeSaucer he played 4 tournaments and he missed the 6 Nations for it
He won France the olympics.
100% agree.
@@zachb1706 and your point? neymar won brazil the olympics he did not win the balon door.
@warrenamos535 a great counter point to Zachb .
There’s a long tradition of World Rugby shafting South Africa at these awards:
- Fourie du Preez should’ve won in 2009 (Irish fans could feel just as aggrieved about BoD).
- Kurt-Lee Arendse should’ve won breakout player of the year in 2022: scored seven tries in seven tests against all of the top teams.
- Jacques Nienaber should’ve won coach of the year in 2023.
- The World XV last year was an absolute joke. Just one Springbok in the entire squad?
- And yes, Rassie should’ve won coach of the year this year.
Who else has innovated and advanced the game more this year? Who else has maintained an 85% winrate with an average of 13 changes every game, won literally every trophy on offer, and evolved an already imperious team to new levels? No one.
Let's talk about 2009.
So the Bulls won the Super XIV by absolutely destroying the Chiefs.
In the Rugby Championship, South Africa whitewashed New Zealand, 3 games to nil. One in NZ, two in South Africa.
World player of the year? McCaw. Absolute BS
@ And let’s not forget we also won the BIL series that year. Peter de Villiers should’ve won coach of the year that year as well.
@jacquescoetzee47 Oh snap! I completely forgot about that BIL series!
I'm a huge fan of McCaw, he is on my GOAT list, I respect the hell out of him, but him getting that award in 2009 was absolutely horseshit.
🐐Coach Rassie 🐐
Always in your head. Too scared to bring his name up
To all you whinging Saffers. The French coach deserved the title of Coach of the Year. He took a side rated No. 1 in the world to No. 4 in the world despite having amazing depth of talent. It takes exceptional skill as a coach to do that. If only Foster was on the same short list....
Dan Carter actually won it 3 times
i love this channel so fucking much
So France won the 7's because Dupont is so wonderful....it was all him on his own right? So why does the France 7's coach gets coach of the year? His team was losing and only won because of Dupont right? Wonderful French charity work by World Rugby.
Dupont 7s player of year is a total insult.. played very limited tournaments mainly not as a starter.. it's tho they needed to find a medal for him.. yes won a olympic title but not just because of him.. Argentina win a maiden world series title and they didn't win as player or coach of year..
Well said mate! 💯
agree 100% world rugby is just trying to make him a poster boy.
@@warrenamos535 French rugby is corrupt.
Facts ✌🇿🇦 the Global North...what can one say ?
facts brought up by Squidge. What were the impact of keenan or Kildune.. Hummmm must not be so easy...
Du Pont only made a big impact because of who he is, everyone had their eyes on him as to how he would perform instead of looking at others as well. Couch of the year and 7's player of the year is just World Rugby being sour puss and ignores what Rassie gas been doing, winning every single trophy available this year 19:19
When it comes to player of the year front 5 just get ignored because they aren't seen outside of rucks as much as all the positions
Then it just shows the lack of understanding from WR. Even the public has more knowledge about their own game
@ryanwaugh1 it is a vote flashy monuments are memorable.
How many amazing rucks clearouts fo you remember
Thanks for another great vid. In all seriousness, why do you think a prop has never been nominated for player of the year?
I honestly don't see how you want Etzebeth to have won for his legacy etc, but then Daret wins one Olympic gold and then he's the best coach of the year. Sorry, I enjoy your analysis, but Rassie deserved it a helluva lot more than Daret... not that Rassie really cares, but give credit where credit is due. He has been the best coach in the world this year and over the last 6 years you could argue. Took a team from nowhere in 2018 to winning a world cup in the next 18 months. By your logic with Daret, he should have won that year then at least.... That's a legacy that will be hard to top, not Daret.
Seems like it would be good if they introduced position awards as well as best player awards
dupoop winning sevens player on the year is a slap in the face of those who played the entire series.
It was very disingenuous to start with a joke about Nche's snub being anti-SA "conspirisizing". The point was that no props have ever won it.
Jip, mock shock so yesterday...
@@libertyavalanche and when last was a prop that dominant in a season? Ox has world class ... To your point, a prop has never been nominated let alone winning it!
Guys, don't try roasting people. It's not your thing, and it's cringe. Squidge: Your biggest problem as a rugby personality is that you need to remember the position in which you specialise.
It's definitely cringe but Saffas are going to come out fighting if we feel that we've been wronged. Our team gets way mire flack than any other...guaranteed.
Nothing unusual. Sprinboks getting shafted yet again. A team that has been lauded by many since 2018, and so few players and coaches get the recognition they deserve.
Maar, wat kan ek sê? Hulle weet nie wat ons weet nie.
(Yes I am salty that they don’t get all the awards)
The French man only got it because of his fame
Thanks you crazy people. Agree about Eben and Nche.
In one section you compare du pont going to 7s as messi going to futsal, now you're basically sayimg the futsal manager won football manager of the year. i struggle to understand this argument.
@@johankotze727 That is the best explanation I can imagine though. I love SVNS, it's a fun sport and all, but let's not pretend that it's Cheslin Kolbe and Ardie Savea who play in those comps these days.
@@randomlyfactual1943 it could be the next Cheslin Kolbe & Ardie Savea... Rodrigo Isgro has signed for Harlequins & gone well for Argentina
Don't agree that there is no weakness in Kildunne's game. Her defence isn't great and neither is her distribution. When the pressure is on, which let's be honest is very rare when England are playing, she's looks pretty ordinary. My first name on the sheet would always be Abby Dow. Or Zoe Aldcroft. Or Alex Matthews. Quite a contrary view I know.
I agree, it was a strange comment, there are weaknesses in even the most exceptional player's game.
Yep. She's playing behind an outstanding team. In 7s for GB she was absolutely horrible.
The argument I would have and Daret has been the coach for the French 7s team since 2017. The big change this year was the inclusion of DuPont. If you look at the winner of coach of the year Jacque Nienaber didn’t win in a year when he won a World Cup?
@@grahamedwards105 the flaws in the selection is mind blowing and how these chaps are really trying to convince us that Rassie is undeserving!
i called it, G best letter of the year.
Explain that to me. I truly didn't get it. Don't even know if that was a joke.
I’d have given it to ox nyche
Also the balls it takes to bench Dupont & it still paid off
@@TheMintedAero1993 True. I would think that's due to fitness levels, or more accurately, the difference in fitness required between 7's and 15's. In the XV game, the hits are way harder, but you get to conserve energy for the largest part of the game to hopefully release it in some kind of satanic fury when you make a break. You can't play flat out, you have to conserve energy.
In Sevens, it's basically a sprint for a short period of time, two or maybe three times a day.
Try of the year against shocking defense....what a joke
I agree with the Portugal Try...that was magic
Maddie Levi has the best "dont argue' fend in the game.....
Dupont winning is disrespectful to all other full-time 7s players, including his teammates.
And please understand, AD is one of the best in XV, and will probably go down as a Top 3 in his position, but playing 20 minutes in TOTAL, throughout the entire 7's season is simply... not enough.
I think there should be a required minimum of minutes played to be eligible to win individual awards, like the NBA does with its 65-game min. for MVP, DPOY, etc.
Yeah, none of these awards really matter
Question about naming someone as best player overall (men and women): how do you determine that? How do you compare Ellie Kildunne to PSDT for example?
I don't even know this French coach. He has one feather in his cap( Du Ponte), and all of a sudden his the next best thing. Rubbish!
Agree, did he win because of his coaching or because of the player (s) available to him. How long has he been a coach, if he cannot maintain this standard and improve on it in the coming season, then we need a refund!
It only took squidge 1:28 into the video to mention Du Pont 😂
6 Nations and Rugby Championships are hands down bigger, more important competitions than the Olympic sevens...which is what, a 2 day tournament? I didn't even know the sevens was on until the semi finals...and I watched 2 minutes. Sevens (and women's rugby) should 1000% have separate coaching awards. Combining them just robs every deserving person of their flowers imho
Dupont rightly won 7s Player of the Year because he single-handedly lifted a team with a mediocre coach who achieved nothing since 2017. Which is why it's absolutely batshit insane and a fucking joke that Rassie didn't win. It is a fucking conspiracy.
Agree. Dupont deserves it, people can keep crying and Erasmus should have won the award as best coach of the year.
A conspiracy against SA ? with the "help" rhey had during WC it's hilarious, but I do agree that Rassie probably deserved it better, but hey, they should have two distinctions, for 7 and XV anyway.
we not mad at world rugby, be expect such. if we can't literally go out and win it we don't expect to get it and it's OK
no DNA only RSA 🇿🇦
I think Alex Matthews was better than Kildunne, especially showing any time England faced good teams (France, Canada, New Zealand) where the England forwards and Matthews in particular were far more crucial than Kildunne.
I won't deny Kildunne crucifies weaker teams, but she's a bit "win more" in those fixtures for me.
Dupont played what? 2 or 3 7s games and wins 7s player of the year. Their coach is someone no-one knows and he is coach of the year.
Okay.
Good way to reward those full-time 7s players I guess.
What happened to team of the year. Just disappeared quietly.
he played 4 tournaments (counting the olympics), 1st one: bronze, 2nd and 3rd: gold, Olympics : Gold. Before Dupont came in 7 France did not win a tournament for a long time. I'm pretty sure he is the player who had the most impact on 7 this year. If you disagree, which can be understood, try at least to do it honestly
I don't think Coach of the Year should be based on a turnaround from previous years. Rassie is an even better coach now than when he won the award five years ago. I don't think one can compare 7s tournaments to a 15s World Cup or the Rugby Championship, either. I agree that Rassie probably doesn't care though.
How can anybody with any logic say Dupont is the single best player in the world? Can he scrum? Can he jump in the lineout? Can he reach the top shelf in the store?
You can at most say he is the best 9 in the world, but no single person can be the best rugby player in the world.
Jorgia Miller is the best sevens player on the planet. LEVI WAITS ON THE WING AND RUNS FAST that's it..
Lads, love the channel, love your analysis, love listening to the pair of you chat BUT Rassie not having won coach or the year is almost as infuritating as Bill Sweeneys salary announcement. I say this as a hurt objective Englishman
About Rassie, clearly a great manager, maybe voters remebered how he talked about the refs not guinguette his way not so long ago. I reckon he's pushed the limits way too far there
That was in 2021. He was punished quite harshly. Many coaches have done it since, yet nobody has suffered any consequences.
lovely chat lads
7:23 I might be wrong, bur hasn‘t carter won it 3 times aswell?
Yes he did
Start watching from 4:30
Is the little cut-out of Rene Ranger?
Dupont winning sevens Olympic gold is like Messi winning the futsal world cup....so, by that logic, it's all just sevens coaching brilliance? Please
No way in hell Etzebeth is best forward ever.
What I dislike is the logic of Dupont: he won 7s player of the year because of his impact, with the recognition that France wete a middling team without him. However, they won't award Rassie coach pf the year, despite winning a world cup with a team that was nowhere just a year prior to that. So winning a world cup didn't matter. THEN you have them this year awarding the French coach the award for having so-so results throughout the year but he won the world cup so 🤷. So winning an Olympic gold trumps everything I guess. Then you award Farrel coach of the year despite him losing two tests and getting eliminated in a quarterfinal, but Rassie has a similar record plus winning every trophy available and yet they award it to Daret. So in totality, Springbok fans do have a point pointing out bias because trophies 🏆 simultaneously mean everything and nothing depending on who won them
More Saffa bitching 😂😂😂😂😂
@MorrisdeSaucer with a full trophy 🏆 cabinet at that
@@MorrisdeSaucer let's count together.. 1, 2, 3, 4. You guys are a bunch of jellous (C) UNTS
He won a WC in 2024 ? Erasmus should win this award last year
@@MorrisdeSaucer okay, you think we're just moaning. That's fine.
If you think we don't have a case, then I'd like to bring your attention to the Year of Our Lord, 2009.
The Bulls won Super Rugby that year, beating the Chiefs in the final by 61-17 or something.
The Springboks had a British and Irish Lions tour, which they won 2 games to 1. They then went onto the Tri Nations (the precursor to the Rugby Championship) and won it really convincingly, whitewashing New Zealand 3 games to nil.
World Player Of The Year for 2009? Richie McCaw.
If you think we are just salty, please explain him winning that award in that year.
Squidge love your Tshirt
First. And love the content from a long time fan
carter has won it 3 times?
Not a conspiracy against SA Rugby..That's not what is being said .. Conspiracy against prop forwards ? Absolutely... Unfortunately I cannot comment on Woman's Rugby awards .I don't watch it ..As far as Rassie goes ..Whole world knows he is the best coach in the sport...Except so called World Rugby .
You made a great example of Messi playing for whatever you called it. fussball. Now am sure there has been many great achievements by coaches in fussball. but never do we compare it to the 11 aside of football. the impact just cannot be comared. think about it. how many nations beside france had their best player playing for them in Sevens. no wonder they won then. it was not the coach. he has been there for a while. its the players that came in for a short while like dupont that made the team strong. as for Rassie in 2017. He inherited the same players who had been beaten by record scores previously and turned them to world champions. this is simply wrong in all levels of considerations. there is no excuse for it and no justifying it at all
Squidge has moved of from shoving Dupont down everybody's throat as the supposed best player in the world to now saying a women is the best player in the world. Ellie has been awsome and is the single most talented female player I've ever seen but call a spade a fucking spade. Best women's player to ever play by far but she wouldent even start for a tier 2 men's club
Listen Ellies been awesome and completely deserved the award. Best female player to probably ever play but she is simply not the best player in the world and never will be. A male player will win a head on head every single time barely even trying. We don't have a direct comparison in rugby but need I remind you of the Australian u16 boys soccer team beating the national women's team and it wasn't close, the golden oldies team of retired men whooping a professional women's team by 16 goals and a top 10 women's tennis player saying she'd beat the top men easily just to get whooped by a guy barely in the top 150 in the world
Conspiring?
Male or female? She needs to relax with that woke nonsense
Real player of the year Caelan Doris
Haha "woke nonsense". I've seen mad saffa fans, of all people, throwing the word around. Isn't that a proof "woke" means absolutely nothing ^^
As for Rassie, well maybe last year he should've been on top not Andy Farrell. But this year, definitely not. And maybe, just maybe he's still paying for his extremely foul past comments against referees. A great coach is competent in his job but also an inspiration and an example to follow.
The animosity towards Springboks fans is atrocious when every other teams fans are the same and a pure representation of the how World Rugby treats the Springboks... I've seen disgusting comments calling Saffas are just from a 3rd world country...and I guess that's how the world views SA...how can a country from Africa dominate the world
Someone seems to forget Du Pont and Galthie behavior in a press conference after World Cup loss critising the ref...seems that you are okay with double standards...
"Animosity", lol. If making light fun of them for using the w word is animosity, then what word would you use to describe the twitter answers to Jerome Daret's win ? I'm interested to know. War crime probably?
Anyway, Erasmus' vicious attacks on referees are still unforgivable.
Ben Smith..... is that you!?!?!?!?!
@@johnnibaz6883 This three minute clip is from a End Of Year Test, 2004, between Ireland and South Africa.
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Ireland is on South Africa's goal line. South Africa defends by slowing up the ball and the ref, New Zealander Paul Honiss, pings South Africa for repeated infringements.
Time on the clock stops. Honiss admonishes Bok captain John Smit, tells him that the next infringement will be a yellow card. He even says "Go talk to your players."
So while John Smit is talking to his players, Ronan O'Gara takes a quick tap, runs to the try line and dots down. Ref awards it. How the referee still had a job after this and not investigated for match fixing is beyond me.
We have been dealing with this kind of reffing for a very long time. Before Paul Honiss there was Stuart Dickinson. Then there was this guy called Bryce Lawrence. Nic Berry was just the latest in a very long line of refs who were able to get away with the most shocking calls against the Boks. Well, he didn't get away that time.
The referees don't get to be sacrosanct if they cannot be impartial.
Bin the episode. Life will not go on. Rassie should have won. 😂
Kolbe and Kwagga have won more
😂😂😂😂
The rugby deities are punishing wales for this
Utter woke nonsense
cough cough (Feyi Waboso) cough cough
SA only won one Gold medal in the 2024 Olympic’s because gold medals are so difficult to win , the french 7s coach equaled SAs gold total , a bit of respect for that man. It’s time the SA fans stopped the incessant whining 😂.
@@davidwalker2402 Dude you can get a Gold Medal for walking twenty kilometers.
@ no you cant you have to first qualify on time to get to the Olympics then you must beat more than 70 competitors, you can win a World Cup rugby by beating 6 teams …..
@@davidwalker2402 The same applies to the world cup. More than a hundred nations battle it out to get to the World Cup and usually, only top 20 even gets to go. It's the same usual suspects in both forms in the game that you have to beat to win the top prize.
The fifteens game is the one that carries more prestige, has more recognisable stars and pays bigger.
@ no its not the same , SA won 5 games 3 by a single point to win the WC, you just have your head stuck up your arse, winning an Olympic gold medal is a lot harder than winning a rugby championship and thats all Rassie won in 2024. If gold medals were easy how come SA with a population only one a single gold medal in Paris
@davidwalker2402 Why do you lot always resort to insults? Are you unable to carry an argument like a decent, civilised adult? Is it just the way you were raised, or what?
No, the sevens is way down the pecking order in terms of prestige, in terms of viewership and attendance. It is much lower down in terms of sponsorships, player salaries, and the amount of stars.
The comparison made with football and futsal is spot on. Futsal is the less glamorous of the two.
For some sports, the olympic gold medal is the highest achievement possible. But this is not the case for boxing (where the best boxers are barred from competing), football (where it's essentially U23 sides playing and rugby union (where you cannot hold a fair tournament of fifteen man rugby)
The players are less known, the coaches are less known, the pay is not nearly as good and much less people watch in the lucrative markets.
Tbh Jerome Daret as best coach this year is understandable. According to the quick evolution for french seven team in only one year
Rassie lost against the supposedly minnow team Ireland at home, how could he FFS, WHAT A LOSER! 😂😂, Ireland defy him again ofva clean sweep, hehehehehehehe! Cost him this prize
I personally thought Ireland was on par with SA at the time they played. I can't think of any reasonable person that genuinely thinks Ireland isn't an incredible team. Their showing was to Ireland's credit, not SA's detriment imo.
Rwc quarter final chokers😂😂😂
Rassie is clearly in your head.
The funny things about all the Saffas playing victims in the comments on social media is that you know if France had not won the gold medal, they would have destroyed the guy painting him as a mediocre player. They cannot bear Dupont success they cannot replicate, he lives rent free in their heads, it is weird really. Kudos for PSDT for winning a second award, he is a beast.
What shite are you talking mate!?!?! "Success they cannot replicate?"
Please elaborate on this as I'm sure the Boks are successful as a team..... not so?
Lives rent free.......15 October 2023.😉
Sounds like copium to me. Most South Africans aren't say Dupont doesn't deserve it, just that the Bokke are underrepresented in international awards in general.
I cant believe I'm saying this but I think you are uderestimating DuPont by defending the French 7s coach. Rassie should have won it. The best sevens coach this year has been Santiago Gomez Cora, they were the best and most interesting team of the series. They introduced the championship tournament this year and Argentina lost to Dupont's France but any other year they would have been series champions. And in the olympics they also lost to Dupont, who I think despite the few games he player in sevens deserved to be named best player.
rugby awards ?... une grosse farce ; nous les français, on sait que nos joueurs seront traités défavorablement comme sur le terrain... aucun français retenu dans le quinze ; et quelques miettes à 7... et les saffas ultra privilégiés qui pleurent... grotesque ; les français devraient boycotter ce genre de cérémonies...