Gandhi and Godse - Elst and Bhyrappa
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2020
- About this Talk :
In this talk, Dr. Elst believes that after India’s partition in 1947, Hindus were angry upon Gandhi’s appeasement policies of Muslims. RSS and Hindu Maha sabha were becoming very powerful because of a declining image of Gandhi. However, by murdering Gandhi, Godse gave him the status of Mahatma.
Apart from Hindu Gods they idolize events, people and places also. Hindus, once they began to idolize Gandhi as Mahatma it became impossible to criticize his appeasement politics and his bad policies. In fact, Nehru didn’t continue Gandhi’s policies but he used Mahatma’s name and status to fulfill his political ambitions.
Today many people are not convinced with Modi’s politics. But, Dr. Elst believes that Mr. Modi is rightly pitching the Hindu agendas gradually. He is very careful about the mistake what Godse did. So Modi doesn’t want to commit any blunder as Godse committed. Because of Godse's mistake the Hindu movement in India was delayed for decades.
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What a great true intellectual mr.bhyrappa sir is !!!! Amazing 🙏🏼
Different and unpopular but nevertheless an interesting perspective....👍👍
This should be quality of every discussion, listening is important while others speak
That's a good perspective regarding godse. But was mohandas gandhi was a british agent that I need to research.
It is truth he has recruited many Indians to British army during World War I
Yes, his decisions to not get Freedom while we could have got itself shows it.
He was more of a Motilal Nehru agent there's even some theories on it.
@@GT-co4jk kuch bhi
he was under the payroll of british secret intelligence service to keep their strength.
Two living legends
Bhyrappa sir knowledge is amazing
Elst ji brings a realistic and down-to-earth perspective which clears up a lot of things. I understand things better after listening to him and reading his books.
You must understand that Gandhi did nothing to quell any Muslim uprising against Hindus. He was not a strong personality as the masses thought. All he did was sacrificed the Hindus and whenever any atrocities against the Hindus he just fasted. Had he retaliated to ask the Hindus to stop the Muslims from going against the Hindus.
Loved this statement at "5:30"
Gandhi was gave Pakistan and allowed to stay muslims India..what is this..nehru also did injustice to Hindus..
Brahmagyan is such a divine knowledge that not only provides us the intelligence to see and understand all option contained in each subject independently but also give us the ability to reach their ultimate part
Brahmmagyan means ................ Shhhhhh!!! No body can explain it but only experience it by Sadhana🙏🏼
special like for description given - to the point
Namaste
It is said that gandhi was alive for about 40' but was not taken to the hospital that was just 10' away. So someone wanted gandhi dead and a culprit to put the blame on. Godse seems to have served their purpose accidentally.
Maybe Nehru... Because that empowered him
We cannot say for sure whether gandhi would have prevented merger of nizam's territory into indian union. But he would have definitely supported the razakars by adopting all means at his disposal. In some video in you tube Subramaniaswamy was heard saying that gandhi might not have been killed by godse's bullet or something like that.
I urge and request sri SLB to write something valuable and immortal about the Kalyaana Kraanti in its historical as well as religious perspective and roles played by Basavanna, Allama Prabhu and numerous Shaivite Sharanas' Congress from all over Karnataka and Also from various parts of India.
All the prominent and eminent authors of Kannada language, of both medieval and modern times hitherto have contributed their might on this profound historical event.
It's high time that Dr. Bhyrappa write a voluminous and critical description of those people and times fulfill the lacuna.
Hence my humble submission.
In our dreams
👏👏👏Nathu Godsay 👍👍👍
WHY I KILLED GANDHI ? this speech on youtube gives more insights on this topic .
RSS agents discussing and directly supporting Gandhi's assassination.. God Bless you
I think Gandhi became Father of Nation in true sense because Godse murdered him. Else Chacha Nehru would have finished Father Gandhis influence to push his own agenda.
EXACTLY !!! SUBRAMANYAM SWAMI JI HAS PROOF OF CONSPIRACY AGAINST GANDHI BY CONGRESS AND NEHRU FAMILY .
He was Not Father Of nation
Perhaps Godse should have garnered support from the Hindus and gone on a hunger strike ...then he would have been considered a hero . Poor soul he was labelled as a terrorist.
@@prithvisinghrajput7469 A 5000 year old nation got a Father after 4900 years and the other person declared himself its Chacha, The children had no day at all so the Chacha’s Birthday was declared as a children’s day. The chacha and his party clearly liked his daughter her son and the son’s Pappu son. 😀😀😀
It was chicha who finished hin off kapur commission report is something you should read.
He’s right about Hindus idolatry. The hero worship is highly counterproductive and even dangerous.
All that can be said is that the guest has a viewpoint and he's welcome to it. The problem arises when one realizes that he does not tell us what else Brutus or Godse ought to have done under the circumstances. To say that neither of them achieved his objectives is the typical scurrilous cynicism and irresponsibility of armchair experts like historians. Had Godse not acted the way he did, not only a mini-Pakistan like Hyderabad - and many more like it - would have been carved out but a corridor from Lahore to Dhaka would have been given on a platter to Pakistan under Gandhi's blackmailing hunger strikes. Let the expert spell out a more fruitful line of action having the same objectives in mind. Otherwise, keep quiet.
In fact, today's generation is asking after knowing about the Mopla genocide why a Godse was not born earlier! We'd have been spared so many humiliating compromises. And secondly, how it is that Gandhi never went on a hunger strike on Jinnah's demand for Pakistan.
And Bhyrappa, you are wrong in detail. Brutus was lured into supporting the conspirators by Cassius to gain respectability in the public eye for their plan of assassinating Julius Caesar. And it was not Brutus who stabbed Caesar from behind but Casca who was given that job. Brutus was the last one to stab seeing which Caesar exclaims," et tu, Brute! Then, fall Caesar".
I think I met you at a seminar in CDN's Dhvanyaloka, Mysuru
A good example of Gandhis hypocrisy was he asked hari singh that he should be ashamed for imposing his rule on his muslim subject and that he should give up everything and try penance at kashi, but he never had anything like that to say for the Nizam of Hyderabad, nawab of junnagad or even goa.
@@GT-co4jk Absolutely on the dot, sir. Now Gandhi's hypocrisy and double standards are becoming evident.
@@vmmadge are they?? All I see is them and those speaking abt it being painted at radial hindus or ghodse worshipers. Any fact given even from his own books are dismissed like they were nothing. The huge cover up and propaganda that Gandhi is loved in Africa, where as there are student protests the size of those we have in jnu asking for Gandhi's statues to be removed from nearly half a dozen African nations and for him to be labelled as a racist of the the first order.
@@GT-co4jk Agreed not on a scale that should be. But at least, some people are waking up the reality. Otherwise, you and I won't be speaking about them, will we?
The fact most Hindus (I don't include Gandhi and I intend to explain why herein) miss is that Islamists are not separatists, they are convertors - annihilators - ritual brutalists ; as they proved upfront throughout history. And especially, in the territories of Bharat in the last one hundred years. Gandhi realised early the folly of his delusion, but there was none assertive enough and capable of holding him accountable and providing an alternative leadership. The cowardly charade and the Civilisational suicide continue to this day
GHANDHI WAS PLANTED BY BRITISH AS AGENT. FOR THEM HE PRACTISED ISLAM BUT SAID RAM BY HIS MOUTH ALLAH BY HIS HEART
Excellent
Excellent
Appeasement appeasement of jinna by Gandhi Nehru consented devision of this country into pieces. Lakh of people killed by the dirtiest community of Pakistan and Bangladesh. Appeasement continues with the rulers then
Two doyens🙏🏾🙏🏾
Did Godse killed Gandhi? That’s still a grey area. Attempt to murder is different from murder. Till it’s proved with through research and evidence the story of Godse killed Gandhi is merely a story not reality.
Swatantrya veer Sawerker, Veer Nathuram Godse ji & Narayan Apte ji are the proud of our Bharatvarsh. I salute these Veer Saputs of Bharat Mata.
Why don't you call a person Traitor responsible for Partition of India and Pakistan
गोडसे ने एक क्रुक्स को महात्मा बना दिया
Godse did what Gandhi had promised. He just saved Gandhi from being a liar.
Gandhi said if Partition happens then that would be over his dead body but he not only agreed to it he sanctioned 55 crores to Pakistan and would have agreed to Hyderabad and Kashmir's inclusion to Pakistan.
Well...true that Gandhi was not the best bargaining chip from (today's) Hindu PoV but no other stalwart had his Stature who survived past WW2. Remember, Tilak, Savarkar (Hindu leaders) were put out of the scene by the Brirish. Bengal babus and baniyas were British boot lickers or commoners were totally Marxist (later). Subhash C Bose was the only great Hindu leader who was hunted down or chased by the Britsh. Gandhi had to tactfully navigate the BIG elephant in the room(guess who) that stayed back in India and spun their separatist dominions. Gandhiji knew this reality bloody well. If HINDUS had their $hit together (united against their enemies) the country wouldn't be in such a bad situation in the first place.
Our own grand/great grand parents were the ones that patronized Gandhis and Nehrus and not anyone else.
So, blaming Gandhi for everything is an escapist attitude of today's generation.
The show needs another host.
Modi Bhajan Mandali- Jai Jai Israel.. Jews Love Hindus, We saved Haifa in our Khakhi Nickers!! Jihadis destroy idols, idol worshipers, eat beef is inspired by story of so called prophet Elijah massacring entire village of baal-worshipers, their 400 priests. Baal is pronounced as Bail which is ox in Hindi. This comes directly from Yahudi religious book Torah or old testament! Andhbhakts don't read them & dance with Jihadis in the name of Rashtriya Manch & praise Israel as role model.
this resembles indian media TV channels…nothing progressive nothing valuable nothing futuristic…pure nonsense
महात्मा गांधी अमर रहे 🙌 जय हिंद 🙏
British partitioned India into 3 pieces just like they partitioned Germany in 1919. Same British partitioned British occupied Palestine on Religious grounds. Haar-Yess-Yess idiots & its Paper Tigers celebrate British victory over Haifa 1919 as if it was 2nd war of Indian independence.
There r documents proving that they tried to stop and when they failed they tried to delay the partition, they failed at that also. While, the partition idea started with Khilafat movement in the 1918. Even genocides were committed by them to force the Raj. Many of their officers and families were also sacrificed.
So they decided to stay out of any more riots. Then a depression and WWII sealed their fate along with Indians’.
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Dr. SL Bhyrappa should stick to literature, where he is excellent, instead of espousing ignorance and prejudice in politics.
I won't take his statement closer to the truth just cuz that man's from West and it's equally annoying how Brutus's tale is paralleled with that of Godse.
S. L. Bhyrappa....you are a novelist and you'll join the pages of history as one of the greatest novelists from Karnataka. I never laughed so hard when the character 'Xavier Sathya Das' from your 'Dharmashree' breaks his sane thinking about the belongingness to the nation after his conversion. Your works always lean on conservatism so does your thoughts.
I'd rather parallel Nathuram's life to Hamlet or Macbeth, the other Shakespearean characters who got manipulated and did something horrible.
You all speak of Gandhi in your own statements cuz he's not alive, however Mr.Bhyrappa in his autobiographical 'Bhitti' has accused U. R. Ananthmurthy of disturbing his peace which follows a root cause from Bhyrappa's refusal to publish a work from Manohara Granthamala to which Mr.Ananthmurthy has always denied it.
Mr. Bhyrappa...If you want your readers to believe whatever you have written in your autobiography is true then why you epitomize Godse over the Truth(Gandhi)?
a very crappy and skewed opinion by Elst. I wonder how we allow such "writers" to dish out crap and distort facts.
Well are you a christian evangelist