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Cf. With 9th episode in the same series: Dr. Nilesh Neelkanth Oak on They year of the Mahabharata War” where he argues on the date being 10k years back, based on the astronomical descriptions in the Mahabharata itself.
18:06 contradicting yourself Mr. Elst, the Magadh goes way back to Brahdadrat (vishu puran). Jarasandh was part of that lineage. crazy story and mystery are how Dwarka was established and people literally teleported from Mathura(mathura btw was Shatrughan's city in further Itihas)
Respected Mr. Koenraad Elst, I humbly suggest you read Philosophy of Hinduism written by Dr. Ambedkar, author of The Constitution of India, and a world scholar. It's a well referenced, academic work. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. And then you present your views on what you think of this. I'll be eagerly awaiting your response.
The earliest textial attestation of Krishna is said to be in the Buddhist Lalitavistara sutra. But the Buddhist Ghata jataka mentions Krishna and the legend of the first man named Gautama in the Mulasarvastivadin vinaya mentions Krishna taught Gautama how to be magically reborn as twins. Also, in the Pali Ambattha sutta we read the Buddha call the first " BLACK MAN" ( KRISHNA) a " Noble Rishi" . For much more on the Buddjist relation to Krishna see my book JESUS' GODAMA SOURCES.
We must learn from Vedas and Upanishads. It is definitely a gift from our ancestors. Nice talk by Mr. Elst. Some hindu scholars said why trying to put date on Vedas and ancient scriptures, rather than taking benefits out of it. Take water from the well , not investigate who dug it. 🙏
"Why trying to put a date on vedas" My friend the Vedic texts are ancient texts written by our ancestors and its necessary to date them. The ṚgVeda for eg. was the text of Bharata Clan. It is nothing but a collection of hymns composed by Bharata Pūrus.
@@kanishkgulwadi9245 My friend. Even before it was written, Vedas are there as oral tradition. No one knows sice when, how can you date something through oral tradition. It is not even the sanskrit that you learn today because Vedas need special encyclopedia called Nirukta and that is how even modern scholers were able to translate vedas and even vedant showed the true epistomological knowledge of Vedas.
@@dharmavarta Your point of view is a RELIGIOUS point of view. By written I meant when the Vedic hymns were composed. Vedas talk about battles fought by humans such as the Dāśrājña yuddha, Vārṣāgira battle, etc. what's rocket science in that? It was just a text of one ancient clan known as the Bharata Pūrus. What Vedanta has to do with our discussion!? Vedant is one of the 6 schools of thought that's it. And Yes I know its not Saṃskṛt its Vedic language which itself has many forms the Old ṚgVedic, middle ṚgVedic etc. Yes bro I also know about the great school Yāska who wrote Nirukta.
Do you have faith in a flying monkey-man who could lift and carry a mountain, which have jungles on which monkeys themselves live, is the great question!!!! Do you believe that your ancestral history is that of a shit borne elephant-human hybrid, who was made like a Frankenstein's monster, is what demands urgent intellectual scrutiny!!! Those are the existential questions which an average self proclaimed 'hindu' must face! Also , are you sure you want to call your religion 'hindu - ism ' when this word 'hindu' itself has originated in 712 AD/CE, from Mughal Muslim's vocabulary, originally intended as an insult(abuse), meaning a 'liar, charlatan, inferior. You can't just be a hypocrite, dodging these very fundamental issues, having one face within India, and presenting another face to the world! One must address these incongruities! Don't you think so?
@Vignesh G - puranas and knowledge are contradicting things. First of all puranas are not ancient, they are written in Medieval AD times. Furthermore, puranas have ridiculous stories like earth being balanced on a giant pig's tusks. This hardly qualifies as knowlege. This is just a retarded fantasy story. Only an utter fool believes these without seeking verification, don't you think?
@Vignesh G - Actually the ' culture' you are referring to is the culture of caste segregation of humanity. This is the reason why India lost to Mughal invasion since it was a country divided into 6743 or so castes. Same is before with Sultans. Same is true of later British rule. Mughals gave the gaali word ' hindu' meaning inferior, deceitful, dishonest, to this very ' culture' A minute scrutiny of this ' hindu ' culture reveals inhumane practices like sati widow burning, charak puja human sacrifice, devdasi pratha child prostitution, untouchability, and thousands of utterly unscientific superstitions etc. This is what the ground reality of ' hinduism ' is. It is no culture and no religion worth the names. It is just a sad mishap, like a great plague or a calamity. Hinduism is a gospel of darkness, it is a slang word to refer to those ill practices and mindset that keep this country handicapped.
@Vignesh G - All such social hierarchies and inequalities have been opposed, eventually, in favour of a Constitutional democracy. So what are you trying to say? Furthermore , the ' hindoo ' or brahminical social hierarchy is of the permanent sort, i.e it seeks to frustrate and curtail the natural growth of individual, due to artificial caste constructs. Ultimately this has only proved to be the cause of perpetual slavery of India This is why this system of caste must firstly be eradicated for India to prosper
@Vignesh G - there is no moral in any of the brahmin texts, they are all just different ways of advocating a caste based hierarchical society, nothing more. It is hard to imagine a moral in the story of earth being kept on a pig's snout or an elephant - human hybrid being made out of You yourself know deep down that these are just bullshit made up stories. But because it is the poor and illiterate people who get trapped into it for the worse, it doesn't bother you! You think you can avoid it from your conscience? You yourself in your arguments are leaning on examples that might validate a social hierarchy among humans. This is also telling of what ' brahmin ' morals actually are. Unless you define ' moral ' as just the benefit of a handful of brahmins, even at a massive detriment of others, your claim of any of the brahmin texts preaching morals is wrong. At least it is not a moral that can be symmetrically applied to all ' hindus ' since ' hindu ' itself is a divided quarreling lot among itself. It doesn't have double standards, it has multiple standards based on caste
I beg to differ from your point of perspective about the story of two birds. You have classified them as two groups of people. One renounced worldly pleasures and another enjoying sense gratification. However, all the scholars and renowned Acharyas have described that complete differently. One of that bird is our Karan Sarira or material body, drowned in Maya or worldly illusion created by the Bhagwan or God himself. And another is Jivatman or our true self. While our material body enjoying worldly pleasures and sensual activities, our true self is completely different from that. Untainted, unaffected and ever pure part and parcel of the sweet nectar of Vyapaka Paramananda (Ramcharitmanas, Goswami Tulsidas) or Brahman/God/Bhagwan. Our true self is the other bird in this story which is just witnessing our daily activities, pleasures, pains, happiness, achievements, failures and all but unaffected by any of these worldly activities or illusions to be more apt. Similarly, we can think those birds as Jivatman and ParaAtman/Bhagwan/Brahman too in other sense and describe this story accordingly.
He is also one of the ignorant outsider who is thinking in terms of western world view as usual...our limit of time as per vedas are svetha varaha kalpa and vaivasvata manvantara...the events recorded are across the manvantaras and mahayugas, your shit calculation is short of everything...veda is the pramana not some tom tick and harry
A truthful and honest scholar....a rarity in western academia. Few things don't add up though and maybe Dr. Elst needs to further engage in scholarly discussions and debates with unbiased but brilliant/realized individuals to pursue the quest for truth before saying 'case closed'.
Thank you Sir!, Bravo! Hats off to you. The Aryan Invasion is indeed a myth. The reason why India's culture is spread around the world, is because everybody went there to learn transcendence.
Known as ADIYOGI by whom? Yourself? It is a matter of historical fact that Yoga was formally taught in Buddhist Nalanda University! Patanjali was a graduate from here only. No history of your shiva exists! Hearsay is not evidence.
@@sachiarumugam9018 - Not to offend you, but 'hindus' never invented anything other than bogus claims like flying monkey man, elephant man etc. 😆😆😆😆 I don't know how educated you are but Buddha is taught in History, Politics, Sociology and Science too. None of your fake god/goddesses are taught in formal education. Why is that ? Buddhist worldview is held to be correct by people like Einstein, Oppenheimer, Niels Bohr and Dr. Ambedkar who cared to give women their rights. But none of your myriad god/goddesses find any place in academia. Why is that?
Must give your views on Bayon temple in combodia. This is deliberate attempt to cover up hindu roots by west. Its a temple dedicated to lord brahma with superimposed buddha carvings after the buddhists reined in.
The biggest mistake modern Indologists (including Mr. Elst) is making about dating Vedas is that they look at Vedic texts and derive their conclusion. They forgot the existence of unbroken oral tradition where the meta data about Veda, such as unauthoredness (apourusheya) is being maintained without fail. When we have unbroken living tradition, is there any reason to deny that human continuity of knowledge about Veda? It is so absurd on their sources.
Mahabharata is like a movie based on some facts or factual events. Always a disclaimer in movies that factual events does not reflect reality & that it is fictionalised
Sanskrit is doubtful source, in Sanskrit one has to choose out of more than 100 languages( Sanskrit 1, Sanskrit 2,--------- Sanskrit 100) which is reliable. Sanskrit is not one language , it has more than 100 scripts(lipis example brāhmī kharoṣṭī puṣkarasāriṃ aṅga-lipiṃ vaṅga-lipiṃ magadha-lipiṃ) and each script has different set of words. Because of this Ravana was hero in one region, Sri Ram in other regions (in Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan and in some areas of North india still you will find temples of ravana ) People still fight about the superiority of gods shivji, vishnuji,Brahma ji and king of god's Indra. In the past they fought wars on this issue. Recently in 19 century scripts of Sanskrit was standardised as devangiri. Brahmi sanskriti vanished, so original books and concept vanished. You will not find word hindu and temple in any ancient book. In Greek and Baltic mythology you find Stories similar to ramayana and mahabhart. That is the reason Arya samaj says Geeta, ramayana is half true half wrong. Brahma samaj completely rejected Vedas. 50 % of Sanskrit words are from other regions like Syria,Greek and Baltic region. So I ask you one question, Sanskrit means language or Sanskrit is name of language. In old dictionaries malecha means foreigner, didn't read Vedas. . In Hindu books one group abuses the other group,it means the books are manipulated actual things are changed and purposely opponent is shown as vulgar and wrong. In bhagwat Geeta shivji is shown as very vulgar and dirty. In linga purana Krishna is insulted. So it is the culture in Hindus to manipulate real things by creating dummy stories.
Sanskrit is doubtful source, in Sanskrit one has to choose out of more than 100 languages( Sanskrit 1, Sanskrit 2,--------- Sanskrit 100) which is reliable. Sanskrit is not one language , it has more than 100 scripts(lipis example brāhmī kharoṣṭī puṣkarasāriṃ aṅga-lipiṃ vaṅga-lipiṃ magadha-lipiṃ) and each script has different set of words. Because of this Ravana was hero in one region, Sri Ram in other regions (in Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan and in some areas of North india still you will find temples of ravana ) People still fight about the superiority of gods shivji, vishnuji,Brahma ji and king of god's Indra. In the past they fought wars on this issue. Recently in 19 century scripts of Sanskrit was standardised as devangiri. Brahmi sanskriti vanished, so original books and concept vanished. You will not find word hindu and temple in any ancient book. In Greek and Baltic mythology you find Stories similar to ramayana and mahabhart. That is the reason Arya samaj says Geeta, ramayana is half true half wrong. Brahma samaj completely rejected Vedas. 50 % of Sanskrit words are from other regions like Syria,Greek and Baltic region. So I ask you one question, Sanskrit means language or Sanskrit is name of language. In old dictionaries malecha means foreigner, didn't read Vedas. . In Hindu books one group abuses the other group,it means the books are manipulated actual things are changed and purposely opponent is shown as vulgar and wrong. In bhagwat Geeta shivji is shown as very vulgar and dirty. In linga purana Krishna is insulted. So it is the culture in Hindus to manipulate real things by creating dummy stories.
Sanskrit is doubtful source, in Sanskrit one has to choose out of more than 100 languages( Sanskrit 1, Sanskrit 2,--------- Sanskrit 100) which is reliable. Sanskrit is not one language , it has more than 100 scripts(lipis example brāhmī kharoṣṭī puṣkarasāriṃ aṅga-lipiṃ vaṅga-lipiṃ magadha-lipiṃ) and each script has different set of words. Because of this Ravana was hero in one region, Sri Ram in other regions (in Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan and in some areas of North india still you will find temples of ravana ) People still fight about the superiority of gods shivji, vishnuji,Brahma ji and king of god's Indra. In the past they fought wars on this issue. Recently in 19 century scripts of Sanskrit was standardised as devangiri. Brahmi sanskriti vanished, so original books and concept vanished. You will not find word hindu and temple in any ancient book. In Greek and Baltic mythology you find Stories similar to ramayana and mahabhart. That is the reason Arya samaj says Geeta, ramayana is half true half wrong. Brahma samaj completely rejected Vedas. 50 % of Sanskrit words are from other regions like Syria,Greek and Baltic region. So I ask you one question, Sanskrit means language or Sanskrit is name of language. In old dictionaries malecha means foreigner, didn't read Vedas. . In Hindu books one group abuses the other group,it means the books are manipulated actual things are changed and purposely opponent is shown as vulgar and wrong. In bhagwat Geeta shivji is shown as very vulgar and dirty. In linga purana Krishna is insulted. So it is the culture in Hindus to manipulate real things by creating dummy stories.
Also at 38:10 all of this was pre ice age so temperatures in Punjab would have been significantly lower. So india rather that part of india wouldn't have been so warm back then .
Thats the most reasonable and realistic date for mahabharat. As spoked wheel incident of krishna cant be possible in 3000 bce. Some hindus say srilanka isnt lanka of ramayan. Even if its not, they r themself making a case for destruction of rama sethu.
योग पर एक अध्याय कपिल मुनि के दर्शन सांख्य में है । पतंजलि ने इसका सम्यक अध्ययन कर और निजी अभ्यास कर उस अध्याय का विस्तार किया जिसका पुस्तक रूप में नाम पातंजल योग दर्शन है। महात्मा बुद्ध ने अल्लामा से योग सीखा था । द्रष्टव्य बुद्ध चरितम् जिसे महाकवि अश्वघोष ने १ ली सदी में लिखा था ।
Dr Elst brings a lot of comparative work to support his scholarship. But he views the Indic thought and ideas and history and scriptures with much sympathy perhaps even of love and admiration. Hence it so much acceptable.
That is giving meaning to TAPAS that is certainly set aside. TAPAS implies something to do with heat. So how does the western translation of Penance may any sense? What is the penance process? There is certainly a Yoga that creates heat for example in Kundalini Yoga.
In fact in 10th Mandala in Nasadiya sookhta, from KA first there is the appearance of Tapa: What is appearance; the penance or the heat? It would be silly to say that penance appears. But heat can appear.
The Mahabharata took place approximately 5000 years ago. Others may have adifferent opinion but their opinion does not come out of the Four bonafide vedic Parampara's . The Four Authentic Parampara's are : 1)Brahma Parampara coming from Lord Brahma 2) Rudra Parampara coming from Lord Shiva 3) Sri Parampara coming from Laksmi devi 4) Kumara Parampara coming from the four Kumara's. These Parampara's are also called Sampradaya's . a Sampradaya is like a university like Princeton or Harvard . If a doctor come out of a bona-fide university then people can have confidence in what he prescribes but if he is a self made Dr who studied from books then nobody after knowing this will take his prescription
There is no GOD in VEDAS only DEVAS like Indra, AGni etc The knowledge machine called VEDA has only ARANYAKAS. If you find other than forest (Hills, farm lands, ocean side, desert) that means the civilization cannot be VEDIC. Non-VEDIC civilization includes five types of lands including forest. Vedas might have astronomical information but not about brick laying, farming, ocean navigation, mountain living etc. Indus valley, found bricks and artifacts. Therefore, cannot be VEDIC and there is no need for any research. VEDAS have no GODS and Vedic people through yagnas controlled (expect others to believe) AGNI, INDRA...etc. and drinking SOMA liquor. Too much lies to be covered in short time to make 96 % of Indian population to believe stories of VEDIC civilization and then the rest of the world. The VEDIC stories related to civilization are about non-vedic people civilization. Lots of resources being spent to make people believe their story like "ASWATHAMA". They are not afraid to lie, starting from BRAHMA. Of course there is no temple for Brahma.
Coming to the above Video Of Elst I totally disagree with Him and His logic was dating Mahabharata MBT in Mid Second Millennium and specially on Sarasvati is totally twisting the ground truths in 2000-1900 bce Saraswati had totally dried and settlements were abandoned and WE have Balaram makes his pilgrimage along Sarasvati which was still flowing but stated to disappear in some part of its course near Vinashana as is mentioned in mahabharat only . so that means the time of MBT shud be much before 2000 bce (as that time Sarasvati had dried and he cud not have made his pilgrimage any time in 2000bce or afterwards ) and SO it must be many centuries or a 1000 years before . so our traditional time of 3138 comes at right place and time and All India traditional sheet Anchor date of Kali Era with an epoch of 3102 bce is right . .. ..like sometime he also goes off tangent like in his Blog he called Yoga came to India from China ..imagine !!
How with so much Cocksurety he has Declared that there were no chariots in 2500-3000 Bce ...on what basis ??... we already have chariot burial in Sanuali in Bhagpat who knows either these are fromMBT period or we may not find in future older such chariots dating to 3000 bce
Sir please come with some evidence and set things straight, he is a historian alright but sometimes I think he is twisting a little bit here and there. Jai Sree Ram
@@sachiarumugam9018 @//Sir please come with some evidence and set things straight// .....OK ... One of the most Important evidence i have mentioned in the above comment only pls read again...he has for projecting his pet views has gone again that scientific and technical data and other Geological and Geo-Morphological proofs @..// on Sarasvati is totally twisting the ground truths in 2000-1900 bce Saraswati had totally dried and settlements were abandoned and WE have Balaram makes his pilgrimage along Sarasvati which was still flowing but stated to disappear in some part of its course near Vinashana as is mentioned in mahabharat only . so that means the time of MBT shud be much before 2000 bce (as that time Sarasvati had dried and he cud not have made his pilgrimage any time in 2000bce or afterwards ) and SO it must be many centuries or a 1000 years before . so our traditional time of 3138 comes at right place and time and All India traditional sheet Anchor date of Kali Era with an epoch of 3102 bce is right . ..
इति (ITI) is culmination point or a point of time from which a savant is looking be behind to narrate how and what it was । हास् can be understood as स्मित (SMIT) meaning EXPENSION । Three eatment can never be erased in relative world - DIK, DESHA and KAAL । The zist of the word 'VEDA' is - SATTA, CHETANA and ANANDA (UPLABDHI) । As soon as the word 'SATTA' creeps in, the word 'ITIHAAS' naturally comes in । Thers Therefore, you are right there। YOGA is a dicipline, not a seperate branch, and always associated with 'SANKHYA' । Buddha's 'KSHANIKVADA' or 'ANITYAVADA' accepts only Kinetic Principle of the Vaidic YAJU - YAT (यत्) = The Kinetic Universal Principle , and - JU (जू) = Static Universal Principle । That is why Bouddh way of thinking cannot be included even in DARSHANA ।
Thanks for the very informative talk. One question. The mahabharata has mention of Gandhar (modern day Kandhar in Afghanistan) . Was there any civilization beyond Afghanistan ? How would Europe or Africa be at that time ?
29:50 agree,almost each and every part is true the only problem with this video is that he can't remind the gods of vedas and itihasa are diff. Vedas claims indra as superior whereas itihasa as Vishnu the itihasa text try to demean Indra like once krishna said not to worship indra
There are many ages of Manus, lasting thousands of years, as described even in the Gita, the Manusmruti of present is the latest one: so their mention in Vedas does not negate their older age.
They can't be older than 5000 years since first civilizations started Manusmriti itself is about 200 AD. This is a known fact, is it not? Do you know that in India Manusmriti was publicly burnt, when a Justice based Constitution was adopted?
@@mahatmacharya the oral composition of most scriptures are probably way older than the actual dating where you find them written. As they get written the language age is recorded into it. With the manusmriti it is said that it wasn't preserved to it's authentic versions and so it isn't given great importance. The Manu described in the Mahabharata and other Puranas are talking about the cyclical nature human existence. Also we have older civilizations than 6500 years maybe older as we find more and more historical evidence. Check out the Rakhi gadi sites. I wouldn't be surprised if we find more sites that are 10,000 years old. But history comes to us bit by bit. So patience and speculation are two things we must exercise.
@@user-xk2ot7eg7f In terms of drying up probably due to sudden changes in tectonics or earth quakes followed by several climate change events - the flow of water may have been diverted to other rivers and caused the drying up totally around 4000 years ago. 5000 years back we know the Indus Valley civilization people were leaving their cities and most probably migrated in all directions. So the drying up probably started before that and completely dried up in that period of 2000 years.
Historicity of Vedas? That's as foolish as the historicity of light, or sound or gravity or magnetism or electricity. Do any of these things depend on history?
8:40 Bhishma had special boon to decide the moment of his death. So he avoided his death for few /days/weeks. Historically there were people who could not be killed unless they wish themselves the death. 😇😇😇 Dr. Keonrad Elst first decide wheather you are talking story or History.😇😇
There must be a conference between researchers with evidences and then the world will know the truth. Just monologues are just good stories to hear. I have read the Nilesh Oak books with their evidences. I'd like to read and look at the evidences of the other sides too.
Yoga means union with your maker. We live in a time when we can explore all that you believe and some of what you are saying is not correct. But I am glad you do recognise the Indian way of life came from Pakistan
No it came from the residents of northwestern region of *India* who were known as *Hindus* to the Persians, Greeks, Chinese and many other people of central Asia, middle and near east who were replaced by Turkic people by 16th century who also denounced the practice of Yoga after reaching to the conclusion that it's against their religion also forcefully occupied that very land creating a totally different country that is still waging war against ther predecessor country they stole that land and the credit for the creation of Yoga from Paxtanis appropriating the ancient Vedic Aryan identity is the same as Arabs claiming to have built the Pyramids or the White Caucasians claiming to have built the Machu Pichu
Haha ......you think Pakistanis are Turks or Arabs ? Pakistanis themselves are converted Indians who were subjected to thousand years of invasion. These lands have been a part of indian civilization for more than 7000 years. Just bcoz Turks occupy the Anatolia today, don't mean Byzantine Empire was turkish or gobekli tepe is a turkic site.
Its really a pleasure to hear Dr Elst and our good fortune. In this very broad overview of Vedas we can clearly see its evolution as a part of a bigger synthetic Culture that is ancient Hindu Civilization. There are two things he could note for later expositions on Hindu Civilization. Dr Elst mentions the Two Birds sitting on the tree that comes in the vedas that shows how Renunciation was very much there in vedic literature as an idea. Similarly he shows the Seated 'Pashupati' Seal at Harrapan sites. There is another Seal of the same Seated figure which looks sideways to his right, where a Man fights a Tiger.This is very much a dynamic motif and must have Metaphysical significance. Both Bhudha and Pre Buddhist Two birds analogy have a Renunciation symbolism. Similarly this Harrappan Seal of seated man looking compassionately at a passionate man struggling with an animal should also easily be seen as exemplifying the metaphysical ideal of Renunciation and Victory over Lower Nature. This takes Renunciatory Yoga much further back to Harrappan period. Since these are central to both Hindu and later Buddhist and Jaina philosophy, Hinduism clearly has a continuity from harrapan. The other aspect of this Synthetic Hindu Civilization is how much of it has come from outside from Non-Vedic neighboring Cultures of Sumeria, later Akkadian, Chaldean, Egyptian and ASssyrian cultures. How much of ancient Hindu civilization had flown in this Inter Cultural exchanges and mingled with the West Asian. Then Biblical. This is why Dr Koenraad Elst's overview of the vedic evolution becomes a starting point of a Revolution in Historical Research, and rethink fresh discovery.
Hindus liked Koenraad Est as long as he supported Indian origin of Vedas and opposed Aryan invasion theory. Once he talked logic and history Hindus didn't like him!
This specific to the comment that Jesus quoted / copied from Buddhism teachings. Buddhism came in 6th Century much after Christ. So it is not correct Thanks Ritesh Singh
There is NO such thing as 'hindu' civilization. The word 'hindu' is of Arabic origin. Indus Valley Civilization is not the same as vedic period, which came much later.
Interesting historical facts ..I also found similar historical facts about ancient Egypt kings which starts around 3000 BCE. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh
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Actually the ' culture' people mistakenly refer to is the culture of caste segregation of humanity. This is the reason why India lost to Mughal invasion since it was a country divided into 6743 or so castes. Same is before with Sultans. Same is true of later British rule. Mughals gave the gaali word ' hindu' meaning inferior, deceitful, dishonest, to this very ' culture' A minute scrutiny of this ' hindu ' culture reveals inhumane practices like sati widow burning, charak puja human sacrifice, devdasi pratha child prostitution, untouchability, and thousands of utterly unscientific superstitions etc. This is what the ground reality of ' hinduism ' is. It is no culture and no religion worth the names. It is just a sad mishap for humanity, like a great plague or a calamity. Hinduism is a gospel of darkness, it is a slang word to refer to those ill practices and mindset that keep this country handicapped.
You are so hateful. The other 'cultures' you referred to practiced slavery, witch burning, torture, inquisition, mass slaughter of non-believers, racism, you name it. At least the Dharmic system does not force people to believe in lies. Dharmic can pick and choose what to follow from this civilization and make up their own mind. Just as you cannot see any positives in Dharma, I am sure you are one of those people that complain about their parents.
hinduism gave yoga as gift to the world which is being embraced everywhr indians have gained respect and live in harmony in several countries unlike the peacefyl's looks like someone stomach is burning like a volcano 🤣😂
Manusmriti was publicly burnt on December 25, 1927, as the people of India were prepared to embrace a Justice based Constitution. Many brahmins also participated in The Burning of Manusmriti since it was only right to do so.
@@user-so9my7uh3m Relax woman, you yourself have got fundamental human rights only by struggle against this very ' hindu culture ' which sees woman as ati - shudra. From the first woman teacher of India to the emancipation of women, all was achieved by protecting you from this ' hinduism' aka brahminism only. Before the Constitution of India, you did not even have rights to Education, employment and keeping property. That's the fact. Study yourself. Tulsidas in Ramcharitmanas says that " dhol gvaar shudr pashu naari... Sab tadan ke adhikari " This is not religion. This is the crux of inequality and inhumanity. This is why manusmriti was burnt in favour of a Justice based Constitution. Yourself being a woman, you gain the most benefits. So I do know well what I am talking about. You should also. It would be really retarded to throw women back ínto the same hell of deprivation the way your 'hindu' /brahmin culture does like sati burning , devdasi prostitution, female foeticide, child marriage, dowry deaths, etc. So try to think beyond your petty attachments and delusions, that would be for the good of all. Thank You
Buddhism was created by buddhists with big ego. Buddha would have been disappointed by them. Buddha himself was hindu and borrowed many things from Vedic tradition.
@@devolishash3946 - At his time there was no such thing as 'hindu'. The word itself is a Mughal given gaali! What Buddha preached is called "Dhamma" The word 'dharma' is a copy from this only. Can you give a single evidence of veda, or even 'sanskrit' before BCE?
On the study of vedas, there is a grave contradiction to be found in vedas, which contradicts general hindu claims: रिग वेद 10-90-11 mentions "आत्मा यक्ष्मस्य नश्यति पूरा जीवगृभो यथा" This implies 'soul' dies with the body. Gita mentions .... गीता में श्लोक है "न नाइटी छिद्रानी न दयन्ती पावक: .... etc..... It implies that soul is imperishable! Now these two are in absolute contradiction with each other regarding 'soul'! So these scriptures are self-contradictory.
@@p.9202 - You know, to be honest, these 'quotes' are so hogwash and meaningless, that they don't even merit proper referencing. But you do get what I'm talking about, although you are clearly frightened of the truth. Quit beating around the bush and explain how such grave contradiction exists regarding 'soul' in chinduism? Which is the correct view? Soul dies with body, as per Vedas Or soul is indestructible, as per Geeta? 😂😂😂😂
My dear friend the quote from Rig Veda is incorrectly referenced, it's actually : 10-097-11 The number you have given is of Purusha Suktam. And coming to the text, it translates to "The spirit of disease departs ere he can seize upon the life." They're talking about a herb and it's capacity to kill the soul (essence) of diseases and not that a man's soul is perishable. You can find the full translation here www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10097.htm
@@ananya1786 - It is almost funny how flexibly all this can be interpreted, reinterpreted and re re interpreted. In the given phrase, if they are talking about herb and disease, could you point out the exact words that refer to them? Can you name such a herb that can kill the source of all diseases? Is there even a singular 'source' of all diseases? What you're saying sounds too stupid, just think about it rationally. Name the herb(if it isn't extinct already!) Secondly purush sukta also talks about different castes/varn of humans birthing from different body parts of male Brahma's body parts like mouth, feet, hands etc. But in reality humans are born from female humans' womb. Isn't that right? Then isn't this rig ved merely a digusting retardedness of the highest order which is only seeking to divide people of India and shoving patriarchy down your throat with fantasy stories??? No other country or religion preaches such idioticity. Lastly, know this with clarity that there is no such real thing as a soul except for a figure of speech at best. In reality there is no soul to be found, ever. What exists is body and consciousness (as a sum total of functions of the body). No such thing as any soul is found anywhere. It is rejected by Physics and Biology. You yourself cannot prove soul. Only claim it baselessly. The assertion of a soul is an absurd shameless lie with only an ill intent at its core. Just like claiming a flying monkey man that can lift a mountain. These are lies, get over it. Therefore all these ved, puran, geeta goota etc are false teachings. And it is not as if the truth is not known. These books deliberately preach falsehood. So infact they are evil teachings.
This anomaly of a person does not consider that these two Epics are product of different times and different authors and hence can contain different views, this imbecile is critiquing vedic texts.. lol
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i came here on its mention in Srijan talks.
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Schooling System. We have been brainwashed.
Hats off to your analysis
Cf. With 9th episode in the same series: Dr. Nilesh Neelkanth Oak on They year of the Mahabharata War” where he argues on the date being 10k years back, based on the astronomical descriptions in the Mahabharata itself.
Another great talk by Koenraad Elst. Thanks a lot.
Very good interesting Masala
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18:06 contradicting yourself Mr. Elst, the Magadh goes way back to Brahdadrat (vishu puran). Jarasandh was part of that lineage. crazy story and mystery are how Dwarka was established and people literally teleported from Mathura(mathura btw was Shatrughan's city in further Itihas)
his point was about Story of multiple & relentless Conquest attempts of Jarasandh.
That may have been interpolated into Jay resulting in Mahabharat
He is telling distorted history of indian civilization because he is comparing Indian history based on western... it's a shame
I HAVE NOT READ GEETA.BUT THEY SAY THERE ARE MANY ASTRONOMICAL REFERENCES IN MAHABHARATA FOR CORESPONDING EVENTS
Respected Mr. Koenraad Elst, I humbly suggest you read Philosophy of Hinduism written by Dr. Ambedkar, author of The Constitution of India, and a world scholar.
It's a well referenced, academic work. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
And then you present your views on what you think of this.
I'll be eagerly awaiting your response.
We regard it as history, not a story
Very illuminating
Makes me feel to be an Indian. The less saod about the so called Left liberals the better Thapars & Habibs
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Most Westerners, including Koneraad Elst, get it wrong about Indian sacred texts.
1500 bc?
oh just 300 yrs off
The earliest textial attestation of Krishna is said to be in the Buddhist Lalitavistara sutra. But the Buddhist Ghata jataka mentions Krishna and the legend of the first man named Gautama in the Mulasarvastivadin vinaya mentions Krishna taught Gautama how to be magically reborn as twins. Also, in the Pali Ambattha sutta we read the Buddha call the first " BLACK MAN" ( KRISHNA) a " Noble Rishi" . For much more on the Buddjist relation to Krishna see my book JESUS' GODAMA SOURCES.
We must learn from Vedas and Upanishads. It is definitely a gift from our ancestors.
Nice talk by Mr. Elst. Some hindu scholars said why trying to put date on Vedas and ancient scriptures, rather than taking benefits out of it.
Take water from the well , not investigate who dug it. 🙏
Great thought. धन्यवाद महोदय
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Sir, only by grace of some scholers. 🙂
"Why trying to put a date on vedas" My friend the Vedic texts are ancient texts written by our ancestors and its necessary to date them.
The ṚgVeda for eg. was the text of Bharata Clan. It is nothing but a collection of hymns composed by Bharata Pūrus.
@@kanishkgulwadi9245
My friend.
Even before it was written, Vedas are there as oral tradition.
No one knows sice when, how can you date something through oral tradition.
It is not even the sanskrit that you learn today because Vedas need special encyclopedia called Nirukta and that is how even modern scholers were able to translate vedas and even vedant showed the true epistomological knowledge of Vedas.
@@dharmavarta Your point of view is a RELIGIOUS point of view. By written I meant when the Vedic hymns were composed. Vedas talk about battles fought by humans such as the Dāśrājña yuddha, Vārṣāgira battle, etc. what's rocket science in that? It was just a text of one ancient clan known as the Bharata Pūrus.
What Vedanta has to do with our discussion!? Vedant is one of the 6 schools of thought that's it.
And Yes I know its not Saṃskṛt its Vedic language which itself has many forms the Old ṚgVedic, middle ṚgVedic etc. Yes bro I also know about the great school Yāska who wrote Nirukta.
Isn't it a tragedy that Mr Elst is telling and confirming our history while out own Thapars and Habibs deny that?
Do you have faith in a flying monkey-man who could lift and carry a mountain, which have jungles on which monkeys themselves live, is the great question!!!!
Do you believe that your ancestral history is that of a shit borne elephant-human hybrid, who was made like a Frankenstein's monster, is what demands urgent intellectual scrutiny!!!
Those are the existential questions which an average self proclaimed 'hindu' must face!
Also , are you sure you want to call your religion 'hindu - ism ' when this word 'hindu' itself has originated in 712 AD/CE, from Mughal Muslim's vocabulary, originally intended as an insult(abuse), meaning a 'liar, charlatan, inferior.
You can't just be a hypocrite, dodging these very fundamental issues, having one face within India, and presenting another face to the world!
One must address these incongruities! Don't you think so?
@Vignesh G - puranas and knowledge are contradicting things.
First of all puranas are not ancient, they are written in Medieval AD times.
Furthermore, puranas have ridiculous stories like earth being balanced on a giant pig's tusks.
This hardly qualifies as knowlege.
This is just a retarded fantasy story.
Only an utter fool believes these without seeking verification, don't you think?
@Vignesh G - Actually the ' culture' you are referring to is the culture of caste segregation of humanity.
This is the reason why India lost to Mughal invasion since it was a country divided into 6743 or so castes.
Same is before with Sultans.
Same is true of later British rule.
Mughals gave the gaali word ' hindu' meaning inferior, deceitful, dishonest, to this very ' culture'
A minute scrutiny of this ' hindu ' culture reveals inhumane practices like sati widow burning, charak puja human sacrifice, devdasi pratha child prostitution, untouchability, and thousands of utterly unscientific superstitions etc.
This is what the ground reality of ' hinduism ' is.
It is no culture and no religion worth the names.
It is just a sad mishap, like a great plague or a calamity.
Hinduism is a gospel of darkness, it is a slang word to refer to those ill practices and mindset that keep this country handicapped.
@Vignesh G - All such social hierarchies and inequalities have been opposed, eventually, in favour of a Constitutional democracy.
So what are you trying to say?
Furthermore , the ' hindoo ' or brahminical social hierarchy is of the permanent sort, i.e it seeks to frustrate and curtail the natural growth of individual, due to artificial caste constructs.
Ultimately this has only proved to be the cause of perpetual slavery of India
This is why this system of caste must firstly be eradicated for India to prosper
@Vignesh G - there is no moral in any of the brahmin texts, they are all just different ways of advocating a caste based hierarchical society, nothing more.
It is hard to imagine a moral in the story of earth being kept on a pig's snout or an elephant - human hybrid being made out of
You yourself know deep down that these are just bullshit made up stories.
But because it is the poor and illiterate people who get trapped into it for the worse, it doesn't bother you!
You think you can avoid it from your conscience?
You yourself in your arguments are leaning on examples that might validate a social hierarchy among humans.
This is also telling of what ' brahmin ' morals actually are.
Unless you define ' moral ' as just the benefit of a handful of brahmins, even at a massive detriment of others, your claim of any of the brahmin texts preaching morals is wrong.
At least it is not a moral that can be symmetrically applied to all ' hindus ' since ' hindu ' itself is a divided quarreling lot among itself.
It doesn't have double standards, it has multiple standards based on caste
I beg to differ from your point of perspective about the story of two birds. You have classified them as two groups of people. One renounced worldly pleasures and another enjoying sense gratification. However, all the scholars and renowned Acharyas have described that complete differently. One of that bird is our Karan Sarira or material body, drowned in Maya or worldly illusion created by the Bhagwan or God himself. And another is Jivatman or our true self. While our material body enjoying worldly pleasures and sensual activities, our true self is completely different from that. Untainted, unaffected and ever pure part and parcel of the sweet nectar of Vyapaka Paramananda (Ramcharitmanas, Goswami Tulsidas) or Brahman/God/Bhagwan. Our true self is the other bird in this story which is just witnessing our daily activities, pleasures, pains, happiness, achievements, failures and all but unaffected by any of these worldly activities or illusions to be more apt. Similarly, we can think those birds as Jivatman and ParaAtman/Bhagwan/Brahman too in other sense and describe this story accordingly.
I agree!
Did he explain that in this video?
Always great to listen Dr.Elst.
God bless you Dr.Elst.
Veda Vyasa wrote commentary on Patanjali's Yoga Sutra. Obviously, Yoga is as old as Vedas.
He is also one of the ignorant outsider who is thinking in terms of western world view as usual...our limit of time as per vedas are svetha varaha kalpa and vaivasvata manvantara...the events recorded are across the manvantaras and mahayugas, your shit calculation is short of everything...veda is the pramana not some tom tick and harry
A truthful and honest scholar....a rarity in western academia.
Few things don't add up though and maybe Dr. Elst needs to further engage in scholarly discussions and debates with unbiased but brilliant/realized individuals to pursue the quest for truth before saying 'case closed'.
Thank you Sir!, Bravo! Hats off to you. The Aryan Invasion is indeed a myth. The reason why India's culture is spread around the world, is because everybody went there to learn transcendence.
Shiva is known as ADIYOGI the first yogi..this fact itself prooves YOGA was not started by BUDDHA but by SHIVA himself
Shiva first start yoga
Not to offend anyone but Buddha was reinventing the wheel which was already there.
@@sachiarumugam9018 wrong , he wasn't reinventing anything at all.
He was just another practitioner of Yoga like many others
Known as ADIYOGI by whom?
Yourself?
It is a matter of historical fact that Yoga was formally taught in Buddhist Nalanda University!
Patanjali was a graduate from here only.
No history of your shiva exists!
Hearsay is not evidence.
@@sachiarumugam9018 - Not to offend you, but 'hindus' never invented anything other than bogus claims like flying monkey man, elephant man etc.
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I don't know how educated you are but Buddha is taught in History, Politics, Sociology and Science too.
None of your fake god/goddesses are taught in formal education.
Why is that ?
Buddhist worldview is held to be correct by people like Einstein, Oppenheimer, Niels Bohr and Dr. Ambedkar who cared to give women their rights.
But none of your myriad god/goddesses find any place in academia.
Why is that?
Surprisingly a realistic views on the events described in Mahabharata.
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He want to bring down Indian heritage .
Must give your views on Bayon temple in combodia. This is deliberate attempt to cover up hindu roots by west. Its a temple dedicated to lord brahma with superimposed buddha carvings after the buddhists reined in.
Vedas were scattered hymns, which was compiled by Veda Vyas.
Wrong assumptions.
The biggest mistake modern Indologists (including Mr. Elst) is making about dating Vedas is that they look at Vedic texts and derive their conclusion. They forgot the existence of unbroken oral tradition where the meta data about Veda, such as unauthoredness (apourusheya) is being maintained without fail. When we have unbroken living tradition, is there any reason to deny that human continuity of knowledge about Veda? It is so absurd on their sources.
1900 BC? Give me a break none of this ever happened
Sir, Dont Mix Hindu religion with Vedic one.
He needs to update his knowledge, from archeological discoveries at Rakhigarhi..A chariot has been found carbon dated 4000 BC
Mahabharata is like a movie based on some facts or factual events. Always a disclaimer in movies that factual events does not reflect reality & that it is fictionalised
Sanskrit is doubtful source, in Sanskrit one has to choose out of more than 100 languages( Sanskrit 1, Sanskrit 2,--------- Sanskrit 100) which is reliable.
Sanskrit is not one language , it has more than 100 scripts(lipis example
brāhmī
kharoṣṭī
puṣkarasāriṃ
aṅga-lipiṃ
vaṅga-lipiṃ
magadha-lipiṃ) and each script has different set of words.
Because of this
Ravana was hero in one region, Sri Ram in other regions (in Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan and in some areas of North india still you will find temples of ravana )
People still fight about the superiority of gods shivji, vishnuji,Brahma ji and king of god's Indra. In the past they fought wars on this issue.
Recently in 19 century scripts of Sanskrit was standardised as devangiri.
Brahmi sanskriti vanished, so original books and concept vanished.
You will not find word hindu and temple in any ancient book.
In Greek and Baltic mythology you find Stories similar to ramayana and mahabhart. That is the reason Arya samaj says Geeta, ramayana is half true half wrong.
Brahma samaj completely rejected Vedas.
50 % of Sanskrit words are from other regions like Syria,Greek and Baltic region.
So I ask you one question,
Sanskrit means language or Sanskrit is name of language.
In old dictionaries malecha means foreigner, didn't read Vedas.
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In Hindu books one group abuses the other group,it means the books are manipulated actual things are changed and purposely opponent is shown as vulgar and wrong.
In bhagwat Geeta shivji is shown as very vulgar and dirty.
In linga purana Krishna is insulted.
So it is the culture in Hindus to manipulate real things by creating dummy stories.
Sanskrit is doubtful source, in Sanskrit one has to choose out of more than 100 languages( Sanskrit 1, Sanskrit 2,--------- Sanskrit 100) which is reliable.
Sanskrit is not one language , it has more than 100 scripts(lipis example
brāhmī
kharoṣṭī
puṣkarasāriṃ
aṅga-lipiṃ
vaṅga-lipiṃ
magadha-lipiṃ) and each script has different set of words.
Because of this
Ravana was hero in one region, Sri Ram in other regions (in Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan and in some areas of North india still you will find temples of ravana )
People still fight about the superiority of gods shivji, vishnuji,Brahma ji and king of god's Indra. In the past they fought wars on this issue.
Recently in 19 century scripts of Sanskrit was standardised as devangiri.
Brahmi sanskriti vanished, so original books and concept vanished.
You will not find word hindu and temple in any ancient book.
In Greek and Baltic mythology you find Stories similar to ramayana and mahabhart. That is the reason Arya samaj says Geeta, ramayana is half true half wrong.
Brahma samaj completely rejected Vedas.
50 % of Sanskrit words are from other regions like Syria,Greek and Baltic region.
So I ask you one question,
Sanskrit means language or Sanskrit is name of language.
In old dictionaries malecha means foreigner, didn't read Vedas.
.
In Hindu books one group abuses the other group,it means the books are manipulated actual things are changed and purposely opponent is shown as vulgar and wrong.
In bhagwat Geeta shivji is shown as very vulgar and dirty.
In linga purana Krishna is insulted.
So it is the culture in Hindus to manipulate real things by creating dummy stories.
Sanskrit is doubtful source, in Sanskrit one has to choose out of more than 100 languages( Sanskrit 1, Sanskrit 2,--------- Sanskrit 100) which is reliable.
Sanskrit is not one language , it has more than 100 scripts(lipis example
brāhmī
kharoṣṭī
puṣkarasāriṃ
aṅga-lipiṃ
vaṅga-lipiṃ
magadha-lipiṃ) and each script has different set of words.
Because of this
Ravana was hero in one region, Sri Ram in other regions (in Tamil Nadu, Rajasthan and in some areas of North india still you will find temples of ravana )
People still fight about the superiority of gods shivji, vishnuji,Brahma ji and king of god's Indra. In the past they fought wars on this issue.
Recently in 19 century scripts of Sanskrit was standardised as devangiri.
Brahmi sanskriti vanished, so original books and concept vanished.
You will not find word hindu and temple in any ancient book.
In Greek and Baltic mythology you find Stories similar to ramayana and mahabhart. That is the reason Arya samaj says Geeta, ramayana is half true half wrong.
Brahma samaj completely rejected Vedas.
50 % of Sanskrit words are from other regions like Syria,Greek and Baltic region.
So I ask you one question,
Sanskrit means language or Sanskrit is name of language.
In old dictionaries malecha means foreigner, didn't read Vedas.
.
In Hindu books one group abuses the other group,it means the books are manipulated actual things are changed and purposely opponent is shown as vulgar and wrong.
In bhagwat Geeta shivji is shown as very vulgar and dirty.
In linga purana Krishna is insulted.
So it is the culture in Hindus to manipulate real things by creating dummy stories.
Also at 38:10 all of this was pre ice age so temperatures in Punjab would have been significantly lower. So india rather that part of india wouldn't have been so warm back then .
The Aryan invasion theory is wholly disproved by the histrocity of vedas . Rig veda is more than 10,000 years old.
Historicity of the Vedas...
Never born never dead said Gorakh
It is what it is...
Like the son which is always there miralejos
Kindly correct the subtitles ..... they don't match the lecture delivered by Mr Koenrad
That's auto-generated bruhh
Europeans trying to grab Sanatana Puranas now???
Red Riding Hood is the goddess उषस् - most absurd thing I ever heard!!
Thats the most reasonable and realistic date for mahabharat. As spoked wheel incident of krishna cant be possible in 3000 bce. Some hindus say srilanka isnt lanka of ramayan. Even if its not, they r themself making a case for destruction of rama sethu.
योग पर एक अध्याय कपिल मुनि के दर्शन सांख्य में है । पतंजलि ने इसका सम्यक अध्ययन कर और निजी अभ्यास कर उस अध्याय का विस्तार किया जिसका पुस्तक रूप में नाम पातंजल योग दर्शन है। महात्मा बुद्ध ने अल्लामा से योग सीखा था । द्रष्टव्य बुद्ध चरितम् जिसे महाकवि अश्वघोष ने १ ली सदी में लिखा था ।
Dr Elst brings a lot of comparative work to support his scholarship. But he views the Indic thought and ideas and history and scriptures with much sympathy perhaps even of love and admiration. Hence it so much acceptable.
Koenraad Elst , a great scholar of hindu heritage KO Naman 🙏 . Marvellous Analysis .
I disagree with the bronze age dating of vedic history
29:40 😂
39:25 spot on
42:00
Always illuminating following this pundit. Gentleman❤️
That is giving meaning to TAPAS that is certainly set aside. TAPAS implies something to do with heat. So how does the western translation of Penance may any sense? What is the penance process? There is certainly a Yoga that creates heat for example in Kundalini Yoga.
This must really have more views.
In fact in 10th Mandala in Nasadiya sookhta, from KA first there is the appearance of Tapa: What is appearance; the penance or the heat? It would be silly to say that penance appears. But heat can appear.
The Mahabharata took place approximately 5000 years ago. Others may have adifferent opinion but their opinion does not come out of the Four bonafide vedic Parampara's . The Four Authentic Parampara's are : 1)Brahma Parampara coming from Lord Brahma 2) Rudra Parampara coming from Lord Shiva 3) Sri Parampara coming from Laksmi devi 4) Kumara Parampara coming from the four Kumara's. These Parampara's are also called Sampradaya's . a Sampradaya is like a university like Princeton or Harvard .
If a doctor come out of a bona-fide university then people can have confidence in what he prescribes but if he is a self made Dr who studied from books then nobody after knowing this will take his prescription
There is no GOD in VEDAS only DEVAS like Indra, AGni etc
The knowledge machine called VEDA has only ARANYAKAS. If you find other than forest (Hills, farm lands, ocean side, desert) that means the civilization cannot be VEDIC. Non-VEDIC civilization includes five types of lands including forest.
Vedas might have astronomical information but not about brick laying, farming, ocean navigation, mountain living etc.
Indus valley, found bricks and artifacts. Therefore, cannot be VEDIC and there is no need for any research.
VEDAS have no GODS and Vedic people through yagnas controlled (expect others to believe) AGNI, INDRA...etc. and drinking SOMA liquor.
Too much lies to be covered in short time to make 96 % of Indian population to believe stories of VEDIC civilization and then the rest of the world.
The VEDIC stories related to civilization are about non-vedic people civilization. Lots of resources being spent to make people believe their story like "ASWATHAMA". They are not afraid to lie, starting from BRAHMA. Of course there is no temple for Brahma.
The dating's are all over the place.
Koenraad Elst is a Rishi of present day India.
Aryan invation in india is big myth..
Coming to the above Video Of Elst I totally disagree with Him and His logic was dating Mahabharata MBT in Mid Second Millennium and specially on Sarasvati is totally twisting the ground truths in 2000-1900 bce Saraswati had totally dried and settlements were abandoned and WE have Balaram makes his pilgrimage along Sarasvati which was still flowing but stated to disappear in some part of its course near Vinashana as is mentioned in mahabharat only . so that means the time of MBT shud be much before 2000 bce (as that time Sarasvati had dried and he cud not have made his pilgrimage any time in 2000bce or afterwards ) and SO it must be many centuries or a 1000 years before . so our traditional time of 3138 comes at right place and time and All India traditional sheet Anchor date of Kali Era with an epoch of 3102 bce is right . ..
..like sometime he also goes off tangent like in his Blog he called Yoga came to India from China ..imagine !!
How with so much Cocksurety he has Declared that there were no chariots in 2500-3000 Bce ...on what basis ??... we already have chariot burial in Sanuali in Bhagpat who knows either these are fromMBT period or we may not find in future older such chariots dating to 3000 bce
Sir please come with some evidence and set things straight, he is a historian alright but sometimes I think he is twisting a little bit here and there. Jai Sree Ram
@@sachiarumugam9018 he is as much a historian as we are
@@sachiarumugam9018 @//Sir please come with some evidence and set things straight// .....OK ...
One of the most Important evidence i have mentioned in the above comment only pls read again...he has for projecting his pet views has gone again that scientific and technical data and other Geological and Geo-Morphological proofs
@..// on Sarasvati is totally twisting the ground truths in 2000-1900 bce Saraswati had totally dried and settlements were abandoned and WE have Balaram makes his pilgrimage along Sarasvati which was still flowing but stated to disappear in some part of its course near Vinashana as is mentioned in mahabharat only . so that means the time of MBT shud be much before 2000 bce (as that time Sarasvati had dried and he cud not have made his pilgrimage any time in 2000bce or afterwards ) and SO it must be many centuries or a 1000 years before . so our traditional time of 3138 comes at right place and time and All India traditional sheet Anchor date of Kali Era with an epoch of 3102 bce is right . ..
You are partly right. The Mahabharatha was of 15000 B c.
Always illuminating following this pundit Gentleman❤️
Thank you Dr. Elst for a very fascinating talk
इति (ITI) is culmination point or a point of time from which a savant is looking be behind to narrate how and what it was । हास् can be understood as स्मित (SMIT) meaning EXPENSION । Three eatment can never be erased in relative world - DIK, DESHA and KAAL । The zist of the word 'VEDA' is - SATTA, CHETANA and ANANDA (UPLABDHI) । As soon as the word 'SATTA' creeps in, the word 'ITIHAAS' naturally comes in । Thers Therefore, you are right there। YOGA is a dicipline, not a seperate branch, and always associated with 'SANKHYA' । Buddha's 'KSHANIKVADA' or 'ANITYAVADA' accepts only Kinetic Principle of the Vaidic YAJU - YAT (यत्) = The Kinetic Universal Principle , and - JU (जू) = Static Universal Principle । That is why Bouddh way of thinking cannot be included even in DARSHANA ।
Thanks for the very informative talk. One question. The mahabharata has mention of Gandhar (modern day Kandhar in Afghanistan) . Was there any civilization beyond Afghanistan ? How would Europe or Africa be at that time ?
Imagine mostly sparsely or none populated world beyond Sindhu, then you can start from there.
dude modern Kandahar is not Gandhara. it is in the south of afghanistan... Gandhara was North-East Afghanistan and North-West Pakistan
Great man.
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29:50 agree,almost each and every part is true the only problem with this video is that he can't remind the gods of vedas and itihasa are diff.
Vedas claims indra as superior whereas itihasa as Vishnu the itihasa text try to demean Indra like once krishna said not to worship indra
Buddha himself got enlightened doing Vipasana Meditation, which was taught by Shiva to Parvati. 🙏🏽
Nilesh oak knows when Mahabharata happened 8000 years ago
Sir you are the true historian. all other indian historians are biased misleading and tell partial or convienient history.
Yoga is pre Vedic
There are many ages of Manus, lasting thousands of years, as described even in the Gita, the Manusmruti of present is the latest one: so their mention in Vedas does not negate their older age.
They can't be older than 5000 years since first civilizations started
Manusmriti itself is about 200 AD.
This is a known fact, is it not?
Do you know that in India Manusmriti was publicly burnt, when a Justice based Constitution was adopted?
@@mahatmacharya the oral composition of most scriptures are probably way older than the actual dating where you find them written. As they get written the language age is recorded into it. With the manusmriti it is said that it wasn't preserved to it's authentic versions and so it isn't given great importance. The Manu described in the Mahabharata and other Puranas are talking about the cyclical nature human existence. Also we have older civilizations than 6500 years maybe older as we find more and more historical evidence. Check out the Rakhi gadi sites. I wouldn't be surprised if we find more sites that are 10,000 years old. But history comes to us bit by bit. So patience and speculation are two things we must exercise.
@@user-xk2ot7eg7f In terms of drying up probably due to sudden changes in tectonics or earth quakes followed by several climate change events - the flow of water may have been diverted to other rivers and caused the drying up totally around 4000 years ago. 5000 years back we know the Indus Valley civilization people were leaving their cities and most probably migrated in all directions. So the drying up probably started before that and completely dried up in that period of 2000 years.
you didn't understand what he said.
Historicity of Vedas? That's as foolish as the historicity of light, or sound or gravity or magnetism or electricity. Do any of these things depend on history?
I got a Buslim add before this
8:40 Bhishma had special boon to decide the moment of his death. So he avoided his death for few /days/weeks. Historically there were people who could not be killed unless they wish themselves the death. 😇😇😇
Dr. Keonrad Elst first decide wheather you are talking story or History.😇😇
He just mentioned the story to tell about that star thing.
Very well put
what a nice video
There must be a conference between researchers with evidences and then the world will know the truth. Just monologues are just good stories to hear. I have read the Nilesh Oak books with their evidences. I'd like to read and look at the evidences of the other sides too.
Good talk
Great
Yoga means union with your maker. We live in a time when we can explore all that you believe and some of what you are saying is not correct. But I am glad you do recognise the Indian way of life came from Pakistan
Yes. Thousands of years old way of life came from 73 year old Fuckistan.
Nah it came from Kumari Kandam down South at 12'000 years ago.
No it came from the residents of northwestern region of *India* who were known as *Hindus* to the Persians, Greeks, Chinese and many other people of central Asia, middle and near east who were replaced by Turkic people by 16th century who also denounced the practice of Yoga after reaching to the conclusion that it's against their religion also forcefully occupied that very land creating a totally different country that is still waging war against ther predecessor country they stole that land and the credit for the creation of Yoga from
Paxtanis appropriating the ancient Vedic Aryan identity is the same as Arabs claiming to have built the Pyramids or the White Caucasians claiming to have built the Machu Pichu
Haha ......you think Pakistanis are Turks or Arabs ? Pakistanis themselves are converted Indians who were subjected to thousand years of invasion. These lands have been a part of indian civilization for more than 7000 years. Just bcoz Turks occupy the Anatolia today, don't mean Byzantine Empire was turkish or gobekli tepe is a turkic site.
Koenraad is a modern day Rishi.
Its really a pleasure to hear Dr Elst and our good fortune. In this very broad overview of Vedas we can clearly see its evolution as a part of a bigger synthetic Culture that is ancient Hindu Civilization. There are two things he could note for later expositions on Hindu Civilization. Dr Elst mentions the Two Birds sitting on the tree that comes in the vedas that shows how Renunciation was very much there in vedic literature as an idea. Similarly he shows the Seated 'Pashupati' Seal at Harrapan sites. There is another Seal of the same Seated figure which looks sideways to his right, where a Man fights a Tiger.This is very much a dynamic motif and must have Metaphysical significance. Both Bhudha and Pre Buddhist Two birds analogy have a Renunciation symbolism. Similarly this Harrappan Seal of seated man looking compassionately at a passionate man struggling with an animal should also easily be seen as exemplifying the metaphysical ideal of Renunciation and Victory over Lower Nature. This takes Renunciatory Yoga much further back to Harrappan period. Since these are central to both Hindu and later Buddhist and Jaina philosophy, Hinduism clearly has a continuity from harrapan. The other aspect of this Synthetic Hindu Civilization is how much of it has come from outside from Non-Vedic neighboring Cultures of Sumeria, later Akkadian, Chaldean, Egyptian and ASssyrian cultures. How much of ancient Hindu civilization had flown in this Inter Cultural exchanges and mingled with the West Asian. Then Biblical. This is why Dr Koenraad Elst's overview of the vedic evolution becomes a starting point of a Revolution in Historical Research, and rethink fresh discovery.
Also, quite a significant part of our Hindu traditions have come from Austronesian (and possibly Tibeto-Burman) cultures as well.
@@RAJAT6555 Lord Shiva is tibetian🙏
@@anhadpartap5473 - more importantly... Lord Shiva is imaginary!!
Hindus liked Koenraad Est as long as he supported Indian origin of Vedas and opposed Aryan invasion theory. Once he talked logic and history Hindus didn't like him!
can we please have a video about the lost cities of Dwarka and Indraprastha? Evidence of Ramayan and Mahabharat?
It is there. Even one by Elst.
@@AbhyudayaTomer link please?
you are not a historian .. you area christian arrow attempt to split hindu structor
Thank you sir for a clear perspective of Vedic times
Jai Shree Ram 💪🏽🚩🚩🚩
India need people like you.
This specific to the comment that Jesus quoted / copied from Buddhism teachings. Buddhism came in 6th Century much after Christ. So it is not correct
Thanks Ritesh Singh
6th century BC sir not AD
It's before christ
@@vasu2773 Why do you say Victory ? Say at least வெற்றி...👍
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A very detailed insight into Hindu civilization history which unfortunately some Hindus are forgetting.
There is NO such thing as 'hindu' civilization.
The word 'hindu' is of Arabic origin.
Indus Valley Civilization is not the same as vedic period, which came much later.
@@mahatmacharya get some life ....other than spamming people with your self invented crap....you madarsa chaap convert
He failed to provide solid evidence to his argument.
He provides that in his book.
@@pranavathalye - He should have given solid evidence in this talk.
It is a 42 minute video, after all!
Interesting historical facts ..I also found similar historical facts about ancient Egypt kings which starts around 3000 BCE.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharaoh
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Interesting look at Hindu Civilization.
You are great Rishi of Hindu culture Mr Koenard Thanks
Very True and well explained.
Actually the ' culture' people mistakenly refer to is the culture of caste segregation of humanity.
This is the reason why India lost to Mughal invasion since it was a country divided into 6743 or so castes.
Same is before with Sultans.
Same is true of later British rule.
Mughals gave the gaali word ' hindu' meaning inferior, deceitful, dishonest, to this very ' culture'
A minute scrutiny of this ' hindu ' culture reveals inhumane practices like sati widow burning, charak puja human sacrifice, devdasi pratha child prostitution, untouchability, and thousands of utterly unscientific superstitions etc.
This is what the ground reality of ' hinduism ' is.
It is no culture and no religion worth the names.
It is just a sad mishap for humanity, like a great plague or a calamity.
Hinduism is a gospel of darkness, it is a slang word to refer to those ill practices and mindset that keep this country handicapped.
You are so hateful. The other 'cultures' you referred to practiced slavery, witch burning, torture, inquisition, mass slaughter of non-believers, racism, you name it. At least the Dharmic system does not force people to believe in lies. Dharmic can pick and choose what to follow from this civilization and make up their own mind. Just as you cannot see any positives in Dharma, I am sure you are one of those people that complain about their parents.
hinduism gave yoga as gift to the world which is being embraced everywhr
indians have gained respect and live in harmony in several countries unlike the peacefyl's
looks like someone stomach is burning like a volcano 🤣😂
Manusmriti was publicly burnt on December 25, 1927, as the people of India were prepared to embrace a Justice based Constitution.
Many brahmins also participated in The Burning of Manusmriti since it was only right to do so.
What is the basis of your answer....other than your own bs
@@user-so9my7uh3m Relax woman, you yourself have got fundamental human rights only by struggle against this very ' hindu culture ' which sees woman as ati - shudra.
From the first woman teacher of India to the emancipation of women, all was achieved by protecting you from this ' hinduism' aka brahminism only.
Before the Constitution of India, you did not even have rights to Education, employment and keeping property.
That's the fact.
Study yourself.
Tulsidas in Ramcharitmanas says that " dhol gvaar shudr pashu naari... Sab tadan ke adhikari "
This is not religion. This is the crux of inequality and inhumanity.
This is why manusmriti was burnt in favour of a Justice based Constitution.
Yourself being a woman, you gain the most benefits.
So I do know well what I am talking about.
You should also.
It would be really retarded to throw women back ínto the same hell of deprivation the way your 'hindu' /brahmin culture does like sati burning , devdasi prostitution, female foeticide, child marriage, dowry deaths, etc.
So try to think beyond your petty attachments and delusions, that would be for the good of all.
Thank You
Buddhism was created by buddhists with big ego. Buddha would have been disappointed by them. Buddha himself was hindu and borrowed many things from Vedic tradition.
Quran and bible as well should be burned. Both are fake and shitty books.
@@devolishash3946 - At his time there was no such thing as 'hindu'. The word itself is a Mughal given gaali!
What Buddha preached is called "Dhamma"
The word 'dharma' is a copy from this only.
Can you give a single evidence of veda, or even 'sanskrit' before BCE?
I love this man. He is more than one of us. His soul is so Hindu. He is a sapoot.
On the study of vedas, there is a grave contradiction to be found in vedas, which contradicts general hindu claims:
रिग वेद 10-90-11 mentions "आत्मा यक्ष्मस्य नश्यति पूरा जीवगृभो यथा"
This implies 'soul' dies with the body.
Gita mentions ....
गीता में श्लोक है "न नाइटी छिद्रानी न दयन्ती पावक: .... etc..... It implies that soul is imperishable!
Now these two are in absolute contradiction with each other regarding 'soul'!
So these scriptures are self-contradictory.
Can't even bloody quote correctly! And you have come here to prove contradictions!! Don't make a fool of yourself.
@@p.9202 - You know, to be honest, these 'quotes' are so hogwash and meaningless, that they don't even merit proper referencing.
But you do get what I'm talking about, although you are clearly frightened of the truth.
Quit beating around the bush and explain how such grave contradiction exists regarding 'soul' in chinduism?
Which is the correct view?
Soul dies with body, as per Vedas
Or soul is indestructible, as per Geeta?
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My dear friend the quote from Rig Veda is incorrectly referenced, it's actually : 10-097-11
The number you have given is of Purusha Suktam.
And coming to the text, it translates to "The spirit of disease departs ere he can seize upon the life."
They're talking about a herb and it's capacity to kill the soul (essence) of diseases and not that a man's soul is perishable.
You can find the full translation here
www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10097.htm
@@ananya1786 - It is almost funny how flexibly all this can be interpreted, reinterpreted and re re interpreted.
In the given phrase, if they are talking about herb and disease, could you point out the exact words that refer to them?
Can you name such a herb that can kill the source of all diseases? Is there even a singular 'source' of all diseases? What you're saying sounds too stupid, just think about it rationally.
Name the herb(if it isn't extinct already!)
Secondly purush sukta also talks about different castes/varn of humans birthing from different body parts of male Brahma's body parts like mouth, feet, hands etc.
But in reality humans are born from female humans' womb. Isn't that right?
Then isn't this rig ved merely a digusting retardedness of the highest order which is only seeking to divide people of India and shoving patriarchy down your throat with fantasy stories??? No other country or religion preaches such idioticity.
Lastly, know this with clarity that there is no such real thing as a soul except for a figure of speech at best.
In reality there is no soul to be found, ever.
What exists is body and consciousness (as a sum total of functions of the body). No such thing as any soul is found anywhere. It is rejected by Physics and Biology.
You yourself cannot prove soul. Only claim it baselessly. The assertion of a soul is an absurd shameless lie with only an ill intent at its core.
Just like claiming a flying monkey man that can lift a mountain. These are lies, get over it.
Therefore all these ved, puran, geeta goota etc are false teachings. And it is not as if the truth is not known.
These books deliberately preach falsehood.
So infact they are evil teachings.
This anomaly of a person does not consider that these two Epics are product of different times and different authors and hence can contain different views, this imbecile is critiquing vedic texts.. lol