I went off grid onto solar 7 years ago. Benefits are that I have sufficient reliable power without interruption. As I live in South Africa the benefits are enormous and with the spiraling cost of Eskom power the system was paid off within 4 years. Even if I have to replace the entire system the components of the system have become cheaper but less available due to increased demand for cost effective reliability and would be worthwhile. It is a really great feeling to be self sufficient when everything around you is falling apart! In my opinion solar is the way to go - less disruptive than wind generators and less maintenance.
Phantastic! It's amazing to see that a whole business can be run on solar with Victron! Just this year I 've installed Victron in my own house. Several MPPTs and three MP IIs (three phase) combined with Pylontech batteries and all connected to a Cerbo. It's all running great and is capable of island mode, just in case.
This is amazing, done a 1kw solar system in a full time converted horsebox home with victron kit. Would love to do these large installs as a job and see it come together!
Cool setup same batteries I have used for my install. These BYD batteries (despite being China) are really very very well made. I am currently running 7 of them.
This is awesome and goes to show how excellent and scaleable Victron solar is - amazing I have Victron easysolar on my off grid property in Australia at an incredibly small fraction of this set up and it is the best energy decision i ever made.
@@elimgarak1127 Not really ... The glass is recyclable, same with the aluminium and silicon ... It's just a matter of having the will to do it as they did with lead acid batteries.
Amazing video. It was fascinating to see how it all linked up and fulfilled the factory needs. Reducing your dependence on fossil fuels is a big plus, not knowing where the artificial prices will go next. Amuses me that oil producing countries control the volume of oil pumped to maintain high prices for the users. High prices for oil provide a much more fertile development environment for green solutions. ROI 4 years! No brainer. Thanks for an excellent video.
Brilliant video! Great to see the true potential with Victron products on a large scale! I have used Victron products many times now and love them can't wait for my next project which I'll be using Victron inverters, chargers and battery's for an off grid container home! Let me know if you'd like to help out with this Victron energy! I would love some factory support !
What a fantastic set-up! I'm at the start of a new build and also run a sawmill, but not to this scale. I'm very interested in what you could do for our farm.
“In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most. No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores. No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it. This universal truth applies to all systems. Energy, like time, flows from past to future” (2017).
In Finland a typical saw burns down when the economy slows and somehow they lit up at the same time. With that much high current wires all over the changes are even better.
WOW!!! Beautifull instalation. OFF GRID systems are a future of provide energy. Connected with LiFePO4 intelligent ESS must works great and long term. Congratulation.
Always, start with an complete overview of energy needs and alternatives, how and where all that energy is flowing: Motors and the equipment they drive account for 63% of the total energy consumed in the industrial sector. The purchase price of an efficient DC FOC Controlled motor only accounts for 0,5% of its total lifetime costs. The remaining 99% is electricity (and a small fraction for maintenance). Companies that develop and implement a motor efficiency program generally uncover a cost savings of 43%.
But that doesn't really matter in this case because they will be using all the energy created by the solar panels thanks to battery storage, So the ROI should be about the same as having enough panels to get through the winter if not actually better because they would be overproducing in the summer .
@victronenergy genuine question, do you have any retailers / service providers in New Zealand ? I'm looking for a similar size system in a up coming project
I don't know why this was suggested to me. But is there any consideration of switching some of the power hungry machines to DC motors? Would it be worth while for the lower conversion losses?
Thanks for reply, but why you use Lynx BMS in this system if you have Byd battery BMS? Is it just for having Lynx Distributor fuse status in Cerbo or VRM?
Huge fan of Victron gear but have to considered alternative non-lithium-based battery modular systems like the companies Redflow zinc based battery system. In the future for larger installation, you may want to consider German manufactured based AllTech batteries when the 60Kwh plus modules finally come into production
Used a ring bus configuration, you can’t see on video well, the lynx are back to back with 15 x 2 120mm links cables going through the wall, on simulation with any 2 phases running at 18kW per box the amps are never over 1000amp in any one place on the bus, batteries have own disconnects built in.
looking at publicly available solar data for UK, it appears solar works at full output maybe 10% of the time. Unless local grid electricity is extremely high priced, I mean really high, this will just be a waste of money, unless there are government subsidies involved. For six winter months average solar will be something like 3% of the time, providing peak output equivalent. So what about the other 97% of the time, and the BIG bill for solar equipment.
Thanks for you comment, we don’t compare to any data on the web, this install works, over 80% of the power is now provided from the sun. Instead of 100% diesel. 🎉
impossible, in winter solar capacity factor for the UK maybe 3% over six months. You cannot run this mill and charge the huge batteries with intermittent, unreliable, weak winter sun, stop fooling people with this nonsense. @@Smartrician
I would be interested to know how the 6 inverters were connected, whether they were connected in parallel in series, or whether each 3 inverters were connected separately
Likely they would run the smaller generator overnight to recharge the batteries, which would then run the factory during the day without needing to turn the bigger generator on.
That is a joke that solar companies didn't want to take the Job, if you have enough solar real estate then your power is limitless. Storage is no problem either, at $ 96k a year electric bill, it is easy justification for an investment in a large battery bank
@@whattheschmidtGood question. They do have the advantage now that they charge the batteries with the generator, so they can at least use the generator at the most efficient load.
If the property is in a rural area the local DNO probably told them the local substation can't support running a sawmill and gave them an eye watering price to have the local power grid and substation upgraded.
Yeah this isn't a house we are talking about. Locality makes a massive difference with the cost of connection. You then also have the ongoing cost of purchasing electricity. I appreciate the cost of diesel needs to be factored in when comparing the options.
Starting surges are pretty heavy with mill machinery like that. Even with a soft starter, in the mill I work at, starting currents can be 4 times full load running current. And it might be taking 30-45 seconds getting up to speed.
English. I would use the term off grid as being without a connection to take national power grid and reliant on another source like generators which was the starting point. Interesting all the same and quite simillar to a local window factory based on an old farm and run on generators that has done simillar.
They did have single phase 60amp in the beginning, but as the buisness grew, an upgrade to 3 Phase 250amp was so expensive being in the country side, it was cheaper to use red fuel. Then a few years ago law was made to only use white fuel with the extra taxes.
When you say the sawdust logs have more heat than coal , do you mean weight for weight , ie more BTU’s per lb’s in favour of the logs ? Thank you , a most interesting video.
Each site has it’s own cost and one price doesn’t suit all sites, client confidentiality we can’t disclose their install price. ROI is 4 years at todays prices. Feel free to ask us to quote your site anytime.
@@Smartrician OK, what is the per kWh price of electricity in say July 2023 in England for this site, and how much electricity is the site generating per day/week/month on average, and over what time period is that average? Can you give me a quote for exactly what was shown in the video?
I install this kit but this kind of install is next level,
Absolutely smashed it out of the park boys! Well done!
I went off grid onto solar 7 years ago. Benefits are that I have sufficient reliable power without interruption. As I live in South Africa the benefits are enormous and with the spiraling cost of Eskom power the system was paid off within 4 years. Even if I have to replace the entire system the components of the system have become cheaper but less available due to increased demand for cost effective reliability and would be worthwhile. It is a really great feeling to be self sufficient when everything around you is falling apart! In my opinion solar is the way to go - less disruptive than wind generators and less maintenance.
Phantastic!
It's amazing to see that a whole business can be run on solar with Victron!
Just this year I 've installed Victron in my own house. Several MPPTs and three MP IIs (three phase) combined with Pylontech batteries and all connected to a Cerbo. It's all running great and is capable of island mode, just in case.
Awesome 🎉🎉
Wowza. I heard my brother say that 30 or so years ago and have never used it before. Wowza.
Beautiful site . I’m glad I can see fronius there not just DC mppts . Beautiful
This is amazing, done a 1kw solar system in a full time converted horsebox home with victron kit. Would love to do these large installs as a job and see it come together!
Amazing install! When you combine a professional installer with Victron products, the sky is the limit!
Danny will be pleased to read this comment! Thanks for watching. And yes we agree.
Thank You! Totally no limits, unlimited power 🥳
This is the Solarpunk future we want.
Cool setup same batteries I have used for my install. These BYD batteries (despite being China) are really very very well made. I am currently running 7 of them.
China make better stuffs anyway does uk Even make anything?
0:41 worth mentioning timber yard was off grid even before they opted for PV panels...
This is awesome and goes to show how excellent and scaleable Victron solar is - amazing
I have Victron easysolar on my off grid property in Australia at an incredibly small fraction of this set up and it is the best energy decision i ever made.
Great to hear!
Amazing ... Take my hat off to you ... Sustainability one house/factory at a time 👏
Thank You 🎉
Until you need to recycle the solar panels. Then the dream comes tumbling down.
@@elimgarak1127 Not really ... The glass is recyclable, same with the aluminium and silicon ... It's just a matter of having the will to do it as they did with lead acid batteries.
Everything is recyclable, even the lithium batteries.
Nice system with hight quality 💪
Thank You 🎉
Amazing video. It was fascinating to see how it all linked up and fulfilled the factory needs. Reducing your dependence on fossil fuels is a big plus, not knowing where the artificial prices will go next.
Amuses me that oil producing countries control the volume of oil pumped to maintain high prices for the users. High prices for oil provide a much more fertile development environment for green solutions.
ROI 4 years! No brainer. Thanks for an excellent video.
Wow this is absolutely amazing!!!!!! what a solution
Thank You 🎉
🎉🎉its absolutely amazing victron and when we had it. it worked beautifully fullstop..simply Amazing 🎉🎉
Great work TekiDan!
Thank You 🎉
it would be nice if victron introduced its own line of "server rack style" batteries with integrated BMS (like Pylontec, SOK etc).
You never know what’s around the corner 🎉
@@Smartrician
I hoped so, Victron has a very complete product line, from inverters to fuses. It would be the ideal completion
That would require Victron to develop and release a new product before it becomes out of date!!
Or as the narrator would say. Victwon server wack.
Victron ❣
I love this!!
Brilliant video! Great to see the true potential with Victron products on a large scale! I have used Victron products many times now and love them can't wait for my next project which I'll be using Victron inverters, chargers and battery's for an off grid container home! Let me know if you'd like to help out with this Victron energy! I would love some factory support !
What a fantastic set-up! I'm at the start of a new build and also run a sawmill, but not to this scale. I'm very interested in what you could do for our farm.
This is nice😊 ,fan from Nigeria
Thank You 🎉
El pensamiento del señor ,de poner su grano de arena es muy importante, buena elección, enhorabuena 🎉🎉
Thank You 🎉
Maravillosa instalación como me gustaría poder trabajar en estas instalaciones y con estos materiales.
Thank You 🎉
You are amazing Danny
Good on you
Thank You 🎉
Brutal!
VERY WONDERFUL
Thank You 🎉
Mega impressive solution but would have been nice to know the cost and savings
good install, big $$$$
Way to go congratulations, is imagine there would be cloudy day in that part of the work
World unlike Australia but hats off to you👌🇦🇺
The budget for this project will be off the roof
ROI is 4 years 🎉
What would be the approximate cost for a set up this size please?
I too run two timber yards in West Wales
Thanks
@@Smartrician rough price on a system like this?
“In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future” (2017).
There’s always loses, energy in Vs energy out, but £ in £ = happy client
Congratulations
It’s a dream come true 🔱
It is awesome 🎉
In Finland a typical saw burns down when the economy slows and somehow they lit up at the same time. With that much high current wires all over the changes are even better.
would have been nice to see how much it cost to install everything and how much he was saving, how long til it pays off
around 4 years to pay back at todays prices, still have another roof to install more PV.
😊❤well done danny
Thanks for the informative video.
We're designing, building and operating some really big Victron systems here in Scotland. If you need a system for your business, get in touch.
That would ace! Send me your details and would love to past on any work in your area too :)
What about wind generator? That would work in summer and winter as well.
Yes sure he would like to add one in a few years
WOW!!! Beautifull instalation. OFF GRID systems are a future of provide energy. Connected with LiFePO4 intelligent ESS must works great and long term. Congratulation.
Thank You 🎉
@@Smartrician Your welcome 😉
Always, start with an complete overview of energy needs and alternatives, how and where all that energy is flowing: Motors and the equipment they drive account for 63% of the total energy consumed in the industrial sector.
The purchase price of an efficient DC FOC Controlled motor only accounts for 0,5% of its total lifetime costs. The remaining 99% is electricity (and a small fraction for maintenance).
Companies that develop and implement a motor efficiency program generally uncover a cost savings of 43%.
Good advise Thank You 🎉
so they still need the generator in winter...
Yes sure
But that doesn't really matter in this case because they will be using all the energy created by the solar panels thanks to battery storage, So the ROI should be about the same as having enough panels to get through the winter if not actually better because they would be overproducing in the summer .
@@callumcurtis15 and changing to electric forklifts and EVs next year to charge when factory closes at 4pm and weekends when closed
@victronenergy genuine question, do you have any retailers / service providers in New Zealand ? I'm looking for a similar size system in a up coming project
Take alook on the Victron Website installer map.
Would you be willing to share cost for various stages of your project thank you Martin
Each install has own requirements, I could give you a quote for your own needs if you'd like.
I don't know why this was suggested to me. But is there any consideration of switching some of the power hungry machines to DC motors? Would it be worth while for the lower conversion losses?
Nice idea, but the machines are special ones and the batteries are too far away for dc cabling.
Does the battery include a warranty?
Yes sure, 5 years as standard but can be extended 🎉
Why not use the waste product to produce electricity? Instead of running the small generator at night in the winter.
Good idea!
@2:57 you also have Lynx BMS, why do you have it, does it works with non-Victron batteries? I mean does it keep contactor closed?
Hi yes, this is for use with Victron smart lithium batteries, has disconnect built in to BMS
Thanks for reply, but why you use Lynx BMS in this system if you have Byd battery BMS? Is it just for having Lynx Distributor fuse status in Cerbo or VRM?
There are 2 systems, the main system is BYD with no lynx BMS each battery has own disconnects. The house system has Lynx BMS and victron batteries.
Omo... This is heavy.
Awesome 🎉
Huge fan of Victron gear but have to considered alternative non-lithium-based battery modular systems like the companies Redflow zinc based battery system. In the future for larger installation, you may want to consider German manufactured based AllTech batteries when the 60Kwh plus modules finally come into production
Something to look at in the future for sure! Thank You
Nice project! But how did you use Lynx Distributor which has max current 1000A DC, but your Quattros in peaks can take 1500-2000A DC?
Used a ring bus configuration, you can’t see on video well, the lynx are back to back with 15 x 2 120mm links cables going through the wall, on simulation with any 2 phases running at 18kW per box the amps are never over 1000amp in any one place on the bus, batteries have own disconnects built in.
looking at publicly available solar data for UK, it appears solar works at full output maybe 10% of the time. Unless local grid electricity is extremely high priced, I mean really high, this will just be a waste of money, unless there are government subsidies involved. For six winter months average solar will be something like 3% of the time, providing peak output equivalent. So what about the other 97% of the time, and the BIG bill for solar equipment.
I guess you missed the point that the woodyard are not connected to the grid?
Thanks for you comment, we don’t compare to any data on the web, this install works, over 80% of the power is now provided from the sun. Instead of 100% diesel. 🎉
impossible, in winter solar capacity factor for the UK maybe 3% over six months. You cannot run this mill and charge the huge batteries with intermittent, unreliable, weak winter sun, stop fooling people with this nonsense. @@Smartrician
I would be interested to know how the 6 inverters were connected, whether they were connected in parallel in series, or whether each 3 inverters were connected separately
3 x 4 in Parallel
So how long will it take to pay for itself?
With today’s prices approximately 4 years
I thought they would use steam power from their wood waste
The owner has steam engines too and wants to play them to use excess solar at weekends to heat the water
Curious how this will keep the factory running in winter though
Likely they would run the smaller generator overnight to recharge the batteries, which would then run the factory during the day without needing to turn the bigger generator on.
Yes thats right
it won't they said so in the video, they still to maintain the generators for winter..
Do the gensets go via the Quatros?
Yes sure
I wonder how much that eat someone back?
4 years payback at todays prices
That is a joke that solar companies didn't want to take the Job, if you have enough solar real estate then your power is limitless. Storage is no problem either, at $ 96k a year electric bill, it is easy justification for an investment in a large battery bank
Steve was paying more like $130k US a year. (£2K week)
Other installers just didn’t know about Victron Equipment and its capabilities.
Surely you could get a proper grid connection, UK is tiny.
Yeah, its insane that they have been running generators for all this time.
However I bet it isnt worth it to get a grid connection now.
@@Heimbasteln They just proved it's obsolete. It would be interesting to know how many days they have to use the diesel generator still.
@@whattheschmidtGood question.
They do have the advantage now that they charge the batteries with the generator, so they can at least use the generator at the most efficient load.
If the property is in a rural area the local DNO probably told them the local substation can't support running a sawmill and gave them an eye watering price to have the local power grid and substation upgraded.
Yeah this isn't a house we are talking about. Locality makes a massive difference with the cost of connection. You then also have the ongoing cost of purchasing electricity. I appreciate the cost of diesel needs to be factored in when comparing the options.
Looks like theres room for more solar panels on the property.
It’s important to always have a bit of wiggle room to expand :-)
For sure! When the cow shed roof is replaced that is next 🎉
I would have come up with a system to turn all of the sawdust into diesel or some other Bio Fuel....
You should give that a try! 🎉
Why did he say he used 400 KVA with all the equipment going ,, and then Victron said up to 130 KVa... Big differance
I must be missing somthing here
Because generators are usually twice the size of the load.
Starting surges are pretty heavy with mill machinery like that. Even with a soft starter, in the mill I work at, starting currents can be 4 times full load running current. And it might be taking 30-45 seconds getting up to speed.
So 2 * 130 is 400 Ok got it @@networkingdude
The total of 180 KVA inverters have to handle the Inductive loads also with the simular limitations as a Gen@@kayakingphotos
Issue with title, it was off grid to start with! Now it has uninterrupted off grid with Solar added to the mix?
What language are you seeing this?
English. I would use the term off grid as being without a connection to take national power grid and reliant on another source like generators which was the starting point.
Interesting all the same and quite simillar to a local window factory based on an old farm and run on generators that has done simillar.
They did have single phase 60amp in the beginning, but as the buisness grew, an upgrade to 3 Phase 250amp was so expensive being in the country side, it was cheaper to use red fuel. Then a few years ago law was made to only use white fuel with the extra taxes.
@VictronEnergyBV share the VRM link for this site please!
The way to do it I would collect water off roof as well make turbine. Just idea.
I know the UK is known to be a wet country but it doesn’t rain that much!
Hi, is there a System Diagramm too? Why are the froniu used? BR
They are fresh AC, in the video it is explained.
When you say the sawdust logs have more heat than coal , do you mean weight for weight , ie more BTU’s per lb’s in favour of the logs ? Thank you , a most interesting video.
Real nice setup, is the BYD batteries the Blade type? Wonder how much space a setup like this will take per kW
They are LVL BYD 15.4kW usable per battery
Cool! How much did the whole system cost, and what's the time for ROI?
Each site has it’s own cost and one price doesn’t suit all sites, client confidentiality we can’t disclose their install price. ROI is 4 years at todays prices. Feel free to ask us to quote your site anytime.
@@Smartrician OK, what is the per kWh price of electricity in say July 2023 in England for this site, and how much electricity is the site generating per day/week/month on average, and over what time period is that average?
Can you give me a quote for exactly what was shown in the video?
Hallo 👍👍👍
Thank You 🎉
These coverters don't care what the load is.