I hadn't heard of this before but your presentation is impressively informative and refreshingly balanced. My own immediate feeling is that this just much faster way of producing collages - are they art? (New reader begin here...) The main reason for fear among the professional art world is, as you pointed out, probably that question of ownership - follow the money! My own greatest fear is the erosion of our ability to discern truth and truthfulness in all sorts of fields. This, for me and others, is a deeply concerning element of our world which has contributed to a sort of mass mental illness; the consumption of junk information like constant consumption of junk food. It's not all frightening though; although I find the use of information technology dizzying and sometimes a bit disturbing I am encouraged that there are still folks in the new generations who want to do things the old-fashioned way and find it greatly more satisfying. For example, the "hand-tools-only" movement among young woodworkers. Perhaps this 'automatic art' will encourage some to get the pens and pencils out and try to make arts and crafts the old-fashioned way. Thanks so much for this very stimulating video. And for illustrating cheating with Dastardly and Muttley - I spat my tea out all over my phone...
It reminds me of the case when a monkey made a "drawing" which was then submitted to a competitoin and the judges rated it quite highly until they found out that it was the work of a monkey and the they suddenly thought it was rubbish, they where decieved etc etc. The point stands that they could not tell the work of an artist from the work of a monkey. They liked the work as a piece of art even though it required no skill, no training, barely even an IQ at all to make. Wether something is art depends on wether you like it. The value depends on a baseline of how much work and materials went into it and is increased by how much the people who want to own it are willing to pay for it. That amount can go up astronomically when the person who made it is famous because that gives the illusion of exclusivity which implies a resale value. Case in point: Banksy. Banksy makes very simple drawings that any artist can copy with exactly zero problems. When Banksy played a pretend-prank of shredding the painting (come on, everybody was in on it) the half-shredded piece increased in value by an order of magnitude because it was now not just a banksy, it was the only banksy that is half destroyed (want to guess why it was only half-shredded?) The work was objectively worse than it was, yet the art world now valued it more. Art is 100% subjective. You either like it or you don't. Something is art to you or it is not. Something has value to you or it does not. Discussing wether or not something is art is therefor pointless.
Thank you Rose for a beautifully presented piece - I've been trying to put into words my response, only to find that Mark McCluney has said it so much better, so thanks Mark! One thing is certain, we won't get that genie back into the bottle.
A really interesting set of questions. Especially regarding the grey area of whose work has been harvested to create the AI generated image. But also I love the idea of AI as a tool for inspiration and development of your own style etc… I”m less concerned about the deep fake potential as deep faking has been around for a long time . The issue there is more about educating people to be curious about images… The who, the how and the why. I loved your choice of clips today- Dastardly and Muttley, The Cat …even if I am now running a background sound track about goldfish shoals nibbling 😂
AI is amazing, in fact it's also scary as hell! When I first heard about AI being applied to the art world it was the contest winner I had read about! I couldn't wrap my head around the what, the how and the "thing" as a whole until I tried my hand at it! Once I did I understood it better! Simply put, it's a whole new idea in art creation! There's the problem...it's...**gasp**...NEW! The curmudgeonly among us don't want another genre! We don't want a whole new avenue that doesn't want us to do anything but think up seriously odd word salads to punch into the "thing machine"! Then we get a spitout of something we can't nail to a wall! I don't know, I want a tangible piece of paper with my own creation upon its very fibers. There's something exhilarating about creating something with things that stain your fingers or make your hands cramp after 4 hours of work! I WANT THE THINGS MADE FROM THESE. And yet, I kinda like some of the weird spine creeping images created by AI...so...I am between a rock and a robot! 🤖
It can seem ominous, but I don't think us traditional artists are under threat - it's just another tool we need to learn how to use. Thank you for watching! xx
I'm an older, traditional Artist. AI is cute and requires no ability. But, it's highly unlikely we'll see an AI work ever sell at Sotheby's for $100 million. AI will end handmade Art the same way live theater was ended by the invention of motion pictures, television, and the Internet. Or the same way the microwave oven made cooking with a stove or traditional oven obsolete. Or the same way the invention of the automobile ended walking and led to the extinction of the horse. That is: it won't. Best wishes from Vermont! 🍁
I hadn't heard of this before but your presentation is impressively informative and refreshingly balanced. My own immediate feeling is that this just much faster way of producing collages - are they art? (New reader begin here...) The main reason for fear among the professional art world is, as you pointed out, probably that question of ownership - follow the money! My own greatest fear is the erosion of our ability to discern truth and truthfulness in all sorts of fields. This, for me and others, is a deeply concerning element of our world which has contributed to a sort of mass mental illness; the consumption of junk information like constant consumption of junk food. It's not all frightening though; although I find the use of information technology dizzying and sometimes a bit disturbing I am encouraged that there are still folks in the new generations who want to do things the old-fashioned way and find it greatly more satisfying. For example, the "hand-tools-only" movement among young woodworkers. Perhaps this 'automatic art' will encourage some to get the pens and pencils out and try to make arts and crafts the old-fashioned way.
Thanks so much for this very stimulating video. And for illustrating cheating with Dastardly and Muttley - I spat my tea out all over my phone...
It reminds me of the case when a monkey made a "drawing" which was then submitted to a competitoin and the judges rated it quite highly until they found out that it was the work of a monkey and the they suddenly thought it was rubbish, they where decieved etc etc. The point stands that they could not tell the work of an artist from the work of a monkey. They liked the work as a piece of art even though it required no skill, no training, barely even an IQ at all to make.
Wether something is art depends on wether you like it.
The value depends on a baseline of how much work and materials went into it and is increased by how much the people who want to own it are willing to pay for it. That amount can go up astronomically when the person who made it is famous because that gives the illusion of exclusivity which implies a resale value.
Case in point: Banksy. Banksy makes very simple drawings that any artist can copy with exactly zero problems. When Banksy played a pretend-prank of shredding the painting (come on, everybody was in on it) the half-shredded piece increased in value by an order of magnitude because it was now not just a banksy, it was the only banksy that is half destroyed (want to guess why it was only half-shredded?) The work was objectively worse than it was, yet the art world now valued it more.
Art is 100% subjective. You either like it or you don't. Something is art to you or it is not. Something has value to you or it does not.
Discussing wether or not something is art is therefor pointless.
Thank you Rose for a beautifully presented piece - I've been trying to put into words my response, only to find that Mark McCluney has said it so much better, so thanks Mark!
One thing is certain, we won't get that genie back into the bottle.
Just came across your shout out Rhiannon; thanks so much! Yes, genies and bottles. Much to consider there too. Thanks again.
A really interesting set of questions. Especially regarding the grey area of whose work has been harvested to create the AI generated image. But also I love the idea of AI as a tool for inspiration and development of your own style etc… I”m less concerned about the deep fake potential as deep faking has been around for a long time . The issue there is more about educating people to be curious about images… The who, the how and the why.
I loved your choice of clips today- Dastardly and Muttley, The Cat …even if I am now running a background sound track about goldfish shoals nibbling 😂
AI is amazing, in fact it's also scary as hell! When I first heard about AI being applied to the art world it was the contest winner I had read about! I couldn't wrap my head around the what, the how and the "thing" as a whole until I tried my hand at it! Once I did I understood it better! Simply put, it's a whole new idea in art creation! There's the problem...it's...**gasp**...NEW! The curmudgeonly among us don't want another genre! We don't want a whole new avenue that doesn't want us to do anything but think up seriously odd word salads to punch into the "thing machine"! Then we get a spitout of something we can't nail to a wall! I don't know, I want a tangible piece of paper with my own creation upon its very fibers. There's something exhilarating about creating something with things that stain your fingers or make your hands cramp after 4 hours of work! I WANT THE THINGS MADE FROM THESE. And yet, I kinda like some of the weird spine creeping images created by AI...so...I am between a rock and a robot! 🤖
This video is very interesting! To be honest, as someone who loves working with paper and pens, this is really scary.
It can seem ominous, but I don't think us traditional artists are under threat - it's just another tool we need to learn how to use. Thank you for watching! xx
I'm an older, traditional Artist. AI is cute and requires no ability. But, it's highly unlikely we'll see an AI work ever sell at Sotheby's for $100 million.
AI will end handmade Art the same way live theater was ended by the invention of motion pictures, television, and the Internet. Or the same way the microwave oven made cooking with a stove or traditional oven obsolete. Or the same way the invention of the automobile ended walking and led to the extinction of the horse.
That is: it won't.
Best wishes from Vermont! 🍁
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