Yeah these guys are just pointless. I'm as much for Case as I am for Deere but "little throttle" and little shifter", I mean come on, what kind of a comparison is this anyway. I love the Magnums but in my personal opinion the only 2 things better on them than on the Deere is opening the hood and the cab is bigger, not more comfortable but more space which is great
It's almost comical that nearly every complaint about the Deere is about something that was ahead of its time, and they didn't like it because it was different than what they were used to. Now, those designs are used in all modern tractors. These guys liked the huge, manually operated hydraulic levers? Really? Just the ability to set the SCV to constant flow or set the time that it operates on the Deere is leaps and bounds ahead of an old lever. Put current farmers in those two tractors now, and I'll bet the overwhelming majority will pick the Deere
Still have two Magnums on the farm an 8920 and a 7120 the 7120 gets twice as much use as any of the tractors we have and even after 33 years it still is proof of reliability! Nothing can stand up to the reliability of those early magnums
Put both of those tractors on 30" spacing. And there's no doubt the John deere will win Hands down! ✌️ It's funny there was no mention on the turning radius😆😆
Well I've ran an 8300 and 8320 JD alot and I just bought a low time 8930 so that tells you which one I think wins hands down. Wouldn't waste my money on something that has to be hauled off to the shop several times before it hits 3000 hrs and this case IH has never needed to see the dealer since new. Theyre always that way. Deer gets problems while the case IH just needs oil and lube and keeps going just like they should.
@@lovetofly32 I will always prefer the deere. So much more ergonomic than the magnum. Visibility is much better, the cab layout is much better. Dealer service for case is almost non existent around here so 75% of everyone has deeres. Even the diehard IH and case farm up the road had 2 8235r deeres show up. Lol not to mention, case totally copied deeres command arm in their later MX series tractors so everything they were saying about the cab layout in this video was total BS.
We went from a 7140 to an 8400 and the Deere wins over anything. I think we bought our 7140 brand new and my dad got to watch them build the Case tractors brand new. But anyway the Case was crap when it was brand new and it never had any power and it always leaked oil, on top of all the other problems it had. Then we got our 8400 and it sounds better, has lots more power, way better visibility, and doesn't nearly have as many problems as the case. Overall I would pick the Deere hands down over any Case of that era.
I worked for a farmer in high-school that had these two tractors. But the magnum was a 7140 and the deere was a 8300. Me and my sister ran them. She got the deere and I got the magnum. Gosh I miss those days. He sold the magnum later on simply because he had it way longer than the deere. And he was a Ford and deere guy🙄 I always noticed and disliked all the same things these guys pointed out with the deere. Another thing was that it would power hop when you tried to use all of its power with a disc. I hated that! I aired down the tires but it didn't seem to help much. That magnum was so cool. I remember it would get low on fuel first because it had a smaller tank but definitely run all day on 3/4 tank. Hoping to buy one for our farm 20 years later. Searching for a low time one. Seems hard to find.
i drive a 8100 and i can 100% confirm the thing shifts like if its learning to drive stick, from 5th to 4th if your not prepared it will launch you out of the seat and into the wheel, but for the cluster i love it, tilt the seat to the right a bit and boom just gotta move your head a little bit to see everything, i love it for cultivation easy to see out of and great for when you do your head land there have been times when i was learning from my old man on how to do feild work when i clipped a few posts with the cultivator when we had a 7810 but that cab is amazing to me
They complained about the gauges on the JD being on the side, instead of on the dash. But they don't complain, operating a combine. I think it was a biased Case commercial.
I'm working on both right now in the shop. Both are good tractors and I've spent alot of time running both. The magnum powershift is way smother and the hood on the deere sucks. I told a guy the other day if it wasn't for the magnum john deere would pobly still building sound gaurd tractors. I do know ive replaced alot more mfwd seals on the deere and alot of exhaust gaskets and bolts on the deere.
The Magnum is good tractor. I have run a 7250 and a 8400 set up the same working ground. The 7250 didn't want any of the 8400. Comparing oranges to apples!
Never drove a magnum but from what I was led to believe they were like an old plow horse where the Deere was more agile. But hands down the magnum is better on fuel efficiency that right now today is a big plus
Lol. Just made me laugh the whole time. Very entertaining! I love how every one of them talked about the magnums they had back home. And then having to raise your hood to service the deere. Now I will say that we had an 8410 that was the worst thing ever to prime the fuel system after changing the fuel filter. Just took forever for some reason. But other than that it was very dependable and probably the best sounding diesel ever made. This video reminds me of one case did when deere came out with the rx. They were talking about the fuel savings and ease of pull the case had on the ripper and you could see how they had the one on the case set a couple inches shallower. Lol. Whatever it takes to sell tractors I guess.
I don't really like this video, and I am a case man. But I bought a new Case IH 7230 in 1995, was my main tractor until 2020, and has about 5800 hours on it now. I spend about $3000 on repairs in all those years, that's not bad. It is still in showroom condition. I bet it would bring $100000 CAN on a Ritchie Bros auction today.
So your telling me you want to lean down to shift gears and you rely on feel to know which gear your in? Dude get real, use your eyes. There was a lot of petty things these guys were saying.
I simply don't agree on pretty much any of their points here. Power shift, Traction, Engine (partly) and visibility. I think it's not a fair fight at all. First of all they seem to have absolutely no experience with these Deere. Were actually running more Magnums and for longer as well but the Deere is almost in every way better. For example the visibility is not even close on the Magnum but for their particular jobs they "don't need" better visibility, that's just ignorant in my opinion. You cant have a bunch of Case guys compare Case to Deere, not shit they'll go for the Magnum
Exactly what I was thinking the whole video. The John Deere 8000s win hands down. A lot of the things these guys were praising on the Magnums and disliked about the Deere were added when the MX series came out.
@@davidlogel2350 well I'm not biased but I think the points made In the video are unbelievably biased and I know what would possess anybody to do a video like that and put it out as unbiased
We have a Magnum and that’s been through hell and back and we have John Deere’s and there both good actually amazing but I will say the magnum has been through pure mistreated hell and it runs no matter what it just doesn’t stop
CaseIH Magnum 7200 is outdated compared JD in cabin but Magnum is reliable n better servicing tractor. I do prefer JD control arm but later Magnum like our 215 has hand control with gearshift has been best even better rest of competitive tractors.
I've never understood the whole "I don't know what gear I'm in" who cares! You use the highest gear you can run in and that doesn't take long to find out.
Engine, transmission and final drive, magnum hands down, also the lack of feather with electro hydraulic, also it must be remembered that this was deeres answer to a tractor that had been out several years,not to mention being developed in the 70's and early 80's, to be fair the comparison should have been the deere 55 or 60 series to a magnum. Case IH lack of dealers was probably the primary and only weakness.
@@davidlogel2350 ? The 8.3L Cummins became an industry standard, I don't see very many if any outside manufacturers clamoring to use the John Deere engines, you'll have to try again.
@@Blazefork I’m case your hadn’t noticed, case has went away from using Cummins engines in literally everything. I’m not bashing them at all. Hell we have 6 or 7 cummins powered pieces on this farm. (4.5L,5.9,8.3L,L10,ISX15Lx2) Honest opinion man. The 8.1L is a better engine.
@@davidlogel2350 you'll have to forgive my aggressive reply, I live in a community where people wear green and yellow underwear, been that way ever since I was in grade school in the 80's and kids would argue about colors, John Deere has an excellent dealer network and some good products but I guess I've grown tired of them being the only company lol....thank you for the information!
Deere took case to the gulag with this one. But the 60 vs magnum case beat them back. The MX and up and 20 series and up are the same but different color
Best tractors caseih ever made. Then they lost their minds in 1999 and never have made another good looking tractor, and quality is questionable with no dealer help in west Texas/ eastern New Mexico. Deeres have their own issues but that’s all we run anymore. And they look good.
Having ran a 7140 and a Deere 8310 I can confidently say screw that Deere, the magnum was a way better tractor for tillage and runs pulls way better on a 16 row planter, however do have the give the Deere points because when we came back through with the sprayer it definitely had visibility (should clarify, family friend owned the 8310 and I was working for him, the magnum was owned by my father before he sold out, and I've put well over 200 hours on both personally)
So where is the video comparing CaseIH to Ford?Massey Ferguson?White?AGCO ALLIS?John Deere is not the only competition that CaseIH had in the market almsot 30 years ago,
Can’t beat an old boxcar magnum but that being said the deere was a hell of a good tractor. Both of them will be found on many many farms still in 2023 and they’re both way better than new tractors
I don’t know what y’all are talking about I’ve had much better luck with the case ih and internationals. Ran both just didn’t like the Deere AS MUCH. Not bad but they always start in -20 degree weather while the Deere’s don’t. It also seems to be able to tug a load better. The Deere’s are more comfortable and easier to use but that doesn’t do much if it doesn’t start in the winter.
This is definitely a bias video. Taking the good and shields off the magnum was not shown and the small hydraulic levers shifter and throttle was soon put in the magnums
When? Definitely not now and definitely not then lol as far as now Deere is light years ahead of everyone with technology and everyone should thank Deere because they started the GPS revolution and auto steer and all that good stuff. Way back in 1996.
@@braydentofteland8393 you gotta give it to Deere that they can come up with these innovations on their own. Case has to buy other companies to be able to keep up with them lol
@@davidlogel2350 magnums we’re built so much better John Deere has sold more but magnums don’t die you can put them through hell and they’ll still run you just can’t be the quality of them
If I didn't know better I would swear this is a CaseIH commercial. WINK WINK
Kinda funny how they say they didn't like the command arm and when the mx series came out it was identical!
I hope they brought back the same people when they came out with the Mx series. I would like to see their reaction then lol
Yeah these guys are just pointless. I'm as much for Case as I am for Deere but "little throttle" and little shifter", I mean come on, what kind of a comparison is this anyway. I love the Magnums but in my personal opinion the only 2 things better on them than on the Deere is opening the hood and the cab is bigger, not more comfortable but more space which is great
@@googleuser4009 MX tractors were not Case's best tractor by a longshot.
Yup pretty much every down fall they had about the deere they put on the mx
All of these guys are going to have a surprise in a few years when the mx comes out!😆
25 years later and I can say without a doubt that the lack of a pyrometer has definitely held farming back.
I was thinking the same thing LOL
Yep definitely a non biased comparison for sure
I’m a magnum person, but I really like them Deere’s. In my opinion they seemed more ahead of their times compared to the magnum
It's almost comical that nearly every complaint about the Deere is about something that was ahead of its time, and they didn't like it because it was different than what they were used to. Now, those designs are used in all modern tractors. These guys liked the huge, manually operated hydraulic levers? Really? Just the ability to set the SCV to constant flow or set the time that it operates on the Deere is leaps and bounds ahead of an old lever. Put current farmers in those two tractors now, and I'll bet the overwhelming majority will pick the Deere
Still have two Magnums on the farm an 8920 and a 7120 the 7120 gets twice as much use as any of the tractors we have and even after 33 years it still is proof of reliability! Nothing can stand up to the reliability of those early magnums
Owned both and then one. It's all about SERVICE.
We have had both the John Deere 8000 series is definitely the better choice
We have 8300, it shift jumps are hard. We couldn't afford a magnum cuz they are so good
Put both of those tractors on 30" spacing. And there's no doubt the John deere will win Hands down! ✌️ It's funny there was no mention on the turning radius😆😆
Coming from someone who has run both, an 8920,8930,8940 magnum, and an 8110, 8410 deere, the deeres win hands down.
LOL....
Well I've ran an 8300 and 8320 JD alot and I just bought a low time 8930 so that tells you which one I think wins hands down. Wouldn't waste my money on something that has to be hauled off to the shop several times before it hits 3000 hrs and this case IH has never needed to see the dealer since new. Theyre always that way. Deer gets problems while the case IH just needs oil and lube and keeps going just like they should.
@@lovetofly32 I will always prefer the deere. So much more ergonomic than the magnum. Visibility is much better, the cab layout is much better. Dealer service for case is almost non existent around here so 75% of everyone has deeres. Even the diehard IH and case farm up the road had 2 8235r deeres show up. Lol not to mention, case totally copied deeres command arm in their later MX series tractors so everything they were saying about the cab layout in this video was total BS.
We went from a 7140 to an 8400 and the Deere wins over anything. I think we bought our 7140 brand new and my dad got to watch them build the Case tractors brand new. But anyway the Case was crap when it was brand new and it never had any power and it always leaked oil, on top of all the other problems it had. Then we got our 8400 and it sounds better, has lots more power, way better visibility, and doesn't nearly have as many problems as the case. Overall I would pick the Deere hands down over any Case of that era.
@@Nick-tz2vl so basically a bunch of crappy excuses and then the only real factor is the dealership
I worked for a farmer in high-school that had these two tractors. But the magnum was a 7140 and the deere was a 8300. Me and my sister ran them. She got the deere and I got the magnum. Gosh I miss those days. He sold the magnum later on simply because he had it way longer than the deere. And he was a Ford and deere guy🙄 I always noticed and disliked all the same things these guys pointed out with the deere. Another thing was that it would power hop when you tried to use all of its power with a disc. I hated that! I aired down the tires but it didn't seem to help much. That magnum was so cool. I remember it would get low on fuel first because it had a smaller tank but definitely run all day on 3/4 tank. Hoping to buy one for our farm 20 years later. Searching for a low time one. Seems hard to find.
Only one problem with this It’s sponsored by case
i drive a 8100 and i can 100% confirm the thing shifts like if its learning to drive stick, from 5th to 4th if your not prepared it will launch you out of the seat and into the wheel, but for the cluster i love it, tilt the seat to the right a bit and boom just gotta move your head a little bit to see everything, i love it for cultivation easy to see out of and great for when you do your head land there have been times when i was learning from my old man on how to do feild work when i clipped a few posts with the cultivator when we had a 7810 but that cab is amazing to me
I love the Case IH 7200 Magnum tractors!
After this video, John Deere sold more tractors!!!
They complained about the gauges on the JD being on the side, instead of on the dash. But they don't complain, operating a combine. I think it was a biased Case commercial.
No paid sponsorahips like we have today, truly amazing.
I'm working on both right now in the shop. Both are good tractors and I've spent alot of time running both. The magnum powershift is way smother and the hood on the deere sucks. I told a guy the other day if it wasn't for the magnum john deere would pobly still building sound gaurd tractors. I do know ive replaced alot more mfwd seals on the deere and alot of exhaust gaskets and bolts on the deere.
It's no comparison lol the 8000 series Deere changed the whole game and everyone had to copy it.
Didn't massey design the 4 post cabin first🤔
@@mightyostrich5649 nope
@@Tyler-fl2ni They had it in the 70s during the 500 and 2000 series?
@@mightyostrich5649 cab nothing a like
@@Tyler-fl2ni They are both 4 post cabs? The 8100s copied it from massey. No other manufacturer had that design.
The Magnum is good tractor. I have run a 7250 and a 8400 set up the same working ground. The 7250 didn't want any of the 8400. Comparing oranges to apples!
This is a hit job on Deere
Never drove a magnum but from what I was led to believe they were like an old plow horse where the Deere was more agile. But hands down the magnum is better on fuel efficiency that right now today is a big plus
Not many of them magnums left lol and if you never drove one how do you know it got better fuel mileage?
@@chadjustice8560 believe what everyone says. Deere never was the best on fuel terrible in a lot of cases
Lol. Just made me laugh the whole time. Very entertaining! I love how every one of them talked about the magnums they had back home. And then having to raise your hood to service the deere. Now I will say that we had an 8410 that was the worst thing ever to prime the fuel system after changing the fuel filter. Just took forever for some reason. But other than that it was very dependable and probably the best sounding diesel ever made. This video reminds me of one case did when deere came out with the rx. They were talking about the fuel savings and ease of pull the case had on the ripper and you could see how they had the one on the case set a couple inches shallower. Lol. Whatever it takes to sell tractors I guess.
We run a 8300 and 7250 and we like the Deere so much better
The 8000, the Magnum killer.
This is a case IH comercial
Have had no problems with the magnum. But the auto kill helps when the oil pressure drops😂😂
Exactly
Solid stable and still John Deere!
We have run deere tractors all the way from the sound guard to the 8R series and I have yet to see one with a smooth powershift.
My dad worked at an IH dealer, and man did this video bring back some memories.
I don't really like this video, and I am a case man.
But I bought a new Case IH 7230 in 1995, was my main tractor until 2020, and has about 5800 hours on it now. I spend about $3000 on repairs in all those years, that's not bad. It is still in showroom condition. I bet it would bring $100000 CAN on a Ritchie Bros auction today.
Funny case ended up following deeres lay out on the mx magnum.the gear lever n the magnum would pull the arms out of you.
Bullshit
Um, no. They didnt
So your telling me you want to lean down to shift gears and you rely on feel to know which gear your in? Dude get real, use your eyes. There was a lot of petty things these guys were saying.
Which ones still got higher resale value?
That got me too! 😂 Green ALWAYS has higher resale value..
Nothing Runs Like a Deere 💪🏻
When a puma is chasing it
That slogan was for Deere snowmobiles
Had both Deere way better, this video was a joke
I simply don't agree on pretty much any of their points here. Power shift, Traction, Engine (partly) and visibility. I think it's not a fair fight at all. First of all they seem to have absolutely no experience with these Deere. Were actually running more Magnums and for longer as well but the Deere is almost in every way better. For example the visibility is not even close on the Magnum but for their particular jobs they "don't need" better visibility, that's just ignorant in my opinion. You cant have a bunch of Case guys compare Case to Deere, not shit they'll go for the Magnum
Exactly what I was thinking the whole video. The John Deere 8000s win hands down.
A lot of the things these guys were praising on the Magnums and disliked about the Deere were added when the MX series came out.
💯exactly right. Even the comments section on this video is full of ih fanboys that still can’t admit that Deere wiped the floor with Case in sales.
@@davidlogel2350 well I'm not biased but I think the points made In the video are unbelievably biased and I know what would possess anybody to do a video like that and put it out as unbiased
@@googleuser4009 marketing.
@@davidlogel2350 case ih introduced an amazing tractor, and suddenly deere decides to update. The deeres suck
We have a Magnum and that’s been through hell and back and we have John Deere’s and there both good actually amazing but I will say the magnum has been through pure mistreated hell and it runs no matter what it just doesn’t stop
Anyone who says the magnum is a smoothe shift is lying to themselves
CaseIH Magnum 7200 is outdated compared JD in cabin but Magnum is reliable n better servicing tractor. I do prefer JD control arm but later Magnum like our 215 has hand control with gearshift has been best even better rest of competitive tractors.
At 14:27, to around 14:32, the tractor in the background is NOT a Magnum. That's an I, 88 series hood!!
how much were these guys payed by"Magnum"?
Nice
MAGNUM 💯
Do this video now between the 8000 and 72 sears tractors
Where did they find these guys?
😂😂
I've never understood the whole "I don't know what gear I'm in" who cares! You use the highest gear you can run in and that doesn't take long to find out.
correct
thing i never liked about the deere 8000 series is the service avilablity no tilting hood on the deere
How about those fingertip hydraulics ????
It was just the damn hood, just that and the FWA feeling. It may have been just the tires.....who knows
Engine, transmission and final drive, magnum hands down, also the lack of feather with electro hydraulic, also it must be remembered that this was deeres answer to a tractor that had been out several years,not to mention being developed in the 70's and early 80's, to be fair the comparison should have been the deere 55 or 60 series to a magnum. Case IH lack of dealers was probably the primary and only weakness.
The Deere 8.1L is arguably one of the best Diesel engines ever made. Cope harder.
@@davidlogel2350 ? The 8.3L Cummins became an industry standard, I don't see very many if any outside manufacturers clamoring to use the John Deere engines, you'll have to try again.
@@Blazefork I’m case your hadn’t noticed, case has went away from using Cummins engines in literally everything. I’m not bashing them at all. Hell we have 6 or 7 cummins powered pieces on this farm. (4.5L,5.9,8.3L,L10,ISX15Lx2) Honest opinion man. The 8.1L is a better engine.
@@davidlogel2350 you'll have to forgive my aggressive reply, I live in a community where people wear green and yellow underwear, been that way ever since I was in grade school in the 80's and kids would argue about colors, John Deere has an excellent dealer network and some good products but I guess I've grown tired of them being the only company lol....thank you for the information!
@@davidlogel2350 the went away from Cummins because in ‘99 fiat bought case IH and it became CNH. They started using their own engines after that.
Deere took case to the gulag with this one. But the 60 vs magnum case beat them back. The MX and up and 20 series and up are the same but different color
Best tractors caseih ever made. Then they lost their minds in 1999 and never have made another good looking tractor, and quality is questionable with no dealer help in west Texas/ eastern New Mexico.
Deeres have their own issues but that’s all we run anymore. And they look good.
8400 will out pull any of those magnums
Facts
To me Deere is the winner!!!
Case IH
Living in NV. it is just upsetting me discing in that green grass
Magnum 8940❤️
Deere was way too far ahead for its time,old farmers liked big levers. But 25 years later deere is on top by far.
The bias just reeked.... lol
Having ran a 7140 and a Deere 8310 I can confidently say screw that Deere, the magnum was a way better tractor for tillage and runs pulls way better on a 16 row planter, however do have the give the Deere points because when we came back through with the sprayer it definitely had visibility (should clarify, family friend owned the 8310 and I was working for him, the magnum was owned by my father before he sold out, and I've put well over 200 hours on both personally)
So where is the video comparing CaseIH to Ford?Massey Ferguson?White?AGCO ALLIS?John Deere is not the only competition that CaseIH had in the market almsot 30 years ago,
Can’t beat an old boxcar magnum but that being said the deere was a hell of a good tractor. Both of them will be found on many many farms still in 2023 and they’re both way better than new tractors
It’s was true then and still
I don’t know what y’all are talking about I’ve had much better luck with the case ih and internationals. Ran both just didn’t like the Deere AS MUCH. Not bad but they always start in -20 degree weather while the Deere’s don’t. It also seems to be able to tug a load better. The Deere’s are more comfortable and easier to use but that doesn’t do much if it doesn’t start in the winter.
Lol plug in the block heater when it gets cold. Come farm where it gets actually cold.
Google the hp the magnum had 36 more hp no way in hell u could give me a magnum and I would choose jd any day
🚜🚜😎😎👍
Ridiculous to watch them take the hood off the Deere, I know it's not perfect but my brother and I can get one off the 8400 in 5 minutes
Magnum❤️
This is definitely a bias video. Taking the good and shields off the magnum was not shown and the small hydraulic levers shifter and throttle was soon put in the magnums
Wow they picked the magnum
I like more JD
Nothing kills a Deere like a Magnum !
How wrong they were…
The Deere sucks, which is why CIH copied them 😂😂😂😂. What a rediculous attempt by Case.
Both deere and case are behind on technology compared to agco and also with allis chalmers
When? Definitely not now and definitely not then lol as far as now Deere is light years ahead of everyone with technology and everyone should thank Deere because they started the GPS revolution and auto steer and all that good stuff. Way back in 1996.
@@chadjustice8560 case ih just bought raven industries. Case is gonna take off with their precision ag the next few years
@@braydentofteland8393 you gotta give it to Deere that they can come up with these innovations on their own. Case has to buy other companies to be able to keep up with them lol
@@braydentofteland8393 also how come you see JD auto steer on red and blue tractors and basically never see case auto steer on green
@@chadjustice8560 no. Agco owns fendt, aka the creator of the CVT tractor
Comical
Tractors are like watermelons keep the RED and trash the GREEN!!!!!!
Lol, so sorry that Deere outsold case and everyone else combined bud.
@@davidlogel2350 magnums we’re built so much better John Deere has sold more but magnums don’t die you can put them through hell and they’ll still run you just can’t be the quality of them
@@zachz4029 there’s literally never been a time in history when case outsold Deere on tractors. Check yourself
@@davidlogel2350 that’s not what I said it’s more about quality then quantity
@@zachz4029 which Deere is superior in as well. Good day.
Hahaha
There's no tractor you can put against a 8000 series it still got to build