Oh wow... I TOTALLY expected there to be reference cards in the game this time around. I agree with Tom that it is wacko that they won't do this. EVERYONE who plays this game says that it needs them. Our group ended up printing our own and, therefore, doing part of the publisher's job, I guess. Silly that they refuse to include them.
I'm totally with you. I love this game and the lack of reference cards drives me nuts. Publishers, if you're reading these comments, please sort this out! It's less fun if you have to peer at a book all the time!
It really is odd. Even if the reason is cost of printing cards they could have simply included one less location and replaced it with a deck of reference cards for the exact same publishing cost. I honestly can't think of a single reason for them not to have included reference cards in Spyfall 2, it makes no sense.
It's already been said, but yeah the french version from Gigamic's 2nd edition has reference cards. They changed also made a slight adjustment from their first print, changing it from a 3 - 8 player game to a 4 - 8. If Gigamic does decide to print out spyfall 2 (aka Agent Trouble 2?) I hope they will include extra spies and extra cards with different roles for the exisiting locations allowing for the games to be mixed fully.
I ended up creating a little printout list and sliding it into a sleeve along with a cheap playing card. I recommend players hold theirs over their location/spy card, as a way of making sure no one sees by accident, and as a cheat sheet.
Regarding the Reference card, it says not to look at it while the game is going on, only in the rule book. I could see that being the reason why. I just got the first one and I'm very excited to play it with the family :)
In fact i have the german/hungarian version of this game and it HAS reference cards, which are pretty usefull. I don't know why they don't put some in the english version.
5:28 I will probably complain about this until somebody listens. 7:06 But, that's the last time I'll talk about that. 9:08 Seriously, I want a reference card!
I completely agree about the player reference. I printed a reference from BGG. Why would they refuse? Do they think this is the only game we play? Like we all become experts at the locations?
We wrote out on cue cards all the locations for spyfall plus the gaming convention which isn't in the book so everyone has a reference. Would be nice to have official cards for both. This is a must buy.
I'm glad they don't include reference card as your not meant to be looking at the locations during the game, as a spy your trying to work out where you could possibly be based on the information going around the table only. when you think you have a good idea you stop the game declare your the spy pick up the manual and pick a location, you might think you have a good idea but when you pick up the manual you may see two location that could possibly fit and you have to take a guess based on what you know, its always a tough call deciding when you think you have enough information, having reference cards would take that away from the game, they might make it a bit more beginner friendly but games are short no one is a beginner for long.
I only own the original Spyfall but I instantly put all my spy cards in one deck and have the location decks separate. For me that is much simpler and less scary than potentially starting a game without a guaranteed spy or accidentally seeing the other side of a deck. I just pick up a location deck, collect the required number of cards, add a spy in and shuffle. It seems like a better system to me. What do other people think?
The German version from Piatnik had reference cards. So when I brought Spyfall 2 to our game night with 11 people and we noticed the missing reference cards, we decided to play Mascarade instead. We made our own reference cards and hopefully the game will be played next time I bring it to the table. Very disappointed by Hobby World.
I really don't see how they could fit 20 locations on a card and make the images large enough to make sense. Unless Tom was talking about a card the size of an A4 page. I have not played the game, but a question that jumps to mind is why would all other players - with the exception of the spy - need to see all locations if they already have it on their card? I guess it makes things difficult for the spy because he is the only one who has to remember details from all locations. If however this doesn't make the spy too vulnerable, I don't see an issue with it.
1. There is no reason to include pictures. You could easily fit the names of 20 locations on a card. 2. A reference card would still be very useful for non-spy players. They only have their current location on their card, not all possible locations. They need to know how subtle to be when asking questions. For example, if there are 5 locations near water, it's not that big of a deal if water is mentioned. If there is only 1 place that could possibly reference water, then saying anything about water will be pretty obvious and should be avoided.
What happens at the end if there is a vote but, it isn't unanimous? Is it like in Deception: Murder in Hong Kong where each player only gets one guess?
I am pretty sure by the rules if you are timed rounds, and the time is out, if the group cannot come to a unanimous vote the spy/spys win the round. But yes otherwise, if people cant agree, the round resumes.
By the sound of it, I don't think it matters. My suggestion is to look at all of the locations for each game. Then decide which ones you like better and pick that one.
NT why not both? Haha, here's my idea if you play with more people get two (due to the double spy) or if you can't wait till two is on the shelves get one! There's is no major difference though :)
The lack of individual reference cards has stopped me from buying either version. I was hoping this issues was going to be resolved with the 2nd release, unfortunately that was not the case.
Todd Barton apparently in countries that it has been released already, the reference in included. I imagine by March 2017 it will be in the English version.
The page that shows all the locations also cuts off some of the locations (at least in the first) which makes it even more useless. But great game still.
I am sure someone will pot reference card to print on BGG, just like with the original. Plus you can just write the list of locations and print it a few times, I can't imagine it taking more than ten minutes.
Same number of cards, less number of locations. On the fence about purchasing this as Spyfall could have 2 spies easily and 9 players. Excellent point about reference cards, might pass along the 2 pages to the asker from now on.
I disagree. Reference cards would still be suspicious, only the spy needs to look at it. When the spy knows what the place could be, even if he's not sure if that place was among the locations, he can reveal, take the instructions and find the location. Stop. That's it.
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If you haven't played spyfall or spyfall 2, which one would you recommend buying?
Oh wow... I TOTALLY expected there to be reference cards in the game this time around. I agree with Tom that it is wacko that they won't do this. EVERYONE who plays this game says that it needs them. Our group ended up printing our own and, therefore, doing part of the publisher's job, I guess. Silly that they refuse to include them.
I'm totally with you. I love this game and the lack of reference cards drives me nuts. Publishers, if you're reading these comments, please sort this out! It's less fun if you have to peer at a book all the time!
It really is odd. Even if the reason is cost of printing cards they could have simply included one less location and replaced it with a deck of reference cards for the exact same publishing cost. I honestly can't think of a single reason for them not to have included reference cards in Spyfall 2, it makes no sense.
The French version of the first Spyfall by Gigamic include a reference sheet of the locations for EACH players! :)
I made my own reference cards for the exact reason Tom detailed. Amazing game!
It's already been said, but yeah the french version from Gigamic's 2nd edition has reference cards. They changed also made a slight adjustment from their first print, changing it from a 3 - 8 player game to a 4 - 8. If Gigamic does decide to print out spyfall 2 (aka Agent Trouble 2?) I hope they will include extra spies and extra cards with different roles for the exisiting locations allowing for the games to be mixed fully.
Wouldn't it make more sense for the spy card to have references. Just scale down the picture or overlay it
Just remove the 2nd spy from all spyfall 2 decks, draw as in regular plays and add the 2nd spy from a seperate deck of just spies.
I ended up creating a little printout list and sliding it into a sleeve along with a cheap playing card. I recommend players hold theirs over their location/spy card, as a way of making sure no one sees by accident, and as a cheat sheet.
"Seriously, I want a reference card."
LOL!!
It is an EASY $5-10 promo pack they could sell for the Game for everyone to have possible location cards.
I seldom go digital on games...but wouldn't the app version solve the problems mentioned? :)
Regarding the Reference card, it says not to look at it while the game is going on, only in the rule book. I could see that being the reason why. I just got the first one and I'm very excited to play it with the family :)
In fact i have the german/hungarian version of this game and it HAS reference cards, which are pretty usefull. I don't know why they don't put some in the english version.
5:28 I will probably complain about this until somebody listens.
7:06 But, that's the last time I'll talk about that.
9:08 Seriously, I want a reference card!
I completely agree about the player reference. I printed a reference from BGG. Why would they refuse? Do they think this is the only game we play? Like we all become experts at the locations?
We wrote out on cue cards all the locations for spyfall plus the gaming convention which isn't in the book so everyone has a reference. Would be nice to have official cards for both. This is a must buy.
I'm glad they don't include reference card as your not meant to be looking at the locations during the game, as a spy your trying to work out where you could possibly be based on the information going around the table only. when you think you have a good idea you stop the game declare your the spy pick up the manual and pick a location, you might think you have a good idea but when you pick up the manual you may see two location that could possibly fit and you have to take a guess based on what you know, its always a tough call deciding when you think you have enough information, having reference cards would take that away from the game, they might make it a bit more beginner friendly but games are short no one is a beginner for long.
I only own the original Spyfall but I instantly put all my spy cards in one deck and have the location decks separate. For me that is much simpler and less scary than potentially starting a game without a guaranteed spy or accidentally seeing the other side of a deck. I just pick up a location deck, collect the required number of cards, add a spy in and shuffle. It seems like a better system to me. What do other people think?
I totally agree with you Tom on having a reference card. I actually made small reference cards to pass out to each player and it helps a lot:)
Absolutely NEEDS REFERENCE CARDS. We made color copies so there are several to look at around the table but it's a pain.
The German version from Piatnik had reference cards. So when I brought Spyfall 2 to our game night with 11 people and we noticed the missing reference cards, we decided to play Mascarade instead. We made our own reference cards and hopefully the game will be played next time I bring it to the table. Very disappointed by Hobby World.
I've never played spy fall but always always hear how fun it can be... Maybe this is a good time to jump in...
I don't have Spyfall2 but for Spyfall I made a colored copy of the locations so that everyone has a reference sheet.
Tom, do you feel that individual reference cards would be a worthwhile addition to this printing?
French version of this game contain the reference card you mentioned.
I really don't see how they could fit 20 locations on a card and make the images large enough to make sense. Unless Tom was talking about a card the size of an A4 page. I have not played the game, but a question that jumps to mind is why would all other players - with the exception of the spy - need to see all locations if they already have it on their card? I guess it makes things difficult for the spy because he is the only one who has to remember details from all locations. If however this doesn't make the spy too vulnerable, I don't see an issue with it.
1. There is no reason to include pictures. You could easily fit the names of 20 locations on a card.
2. A reference card would still be very useful for non-spy players. They only have their current location on their card, not all possible locations. They need to know how subtle to be when asking questions. For example, if there are 5 locations near water, it's not that big of a deal if water is mentioned. If there is only 1 place that could possibly reference water, then saying anything about water will be pretty obvious and should be avoided.
I printed a reference card from BGG with the names of the locations. easy fix.
Yeah, you don't need pictures just the names. I've seen people play an app version that does just that and it seems easier to play than this version.
@@coreyhendon Great explanation Corey! Thanks!
When will this game become available?
Spy fall 1 = 30 locations
Spy fall 2 = only 20 locations (50% less) and still no reference cards. They could have easily had 30 and reference cards.
I wanna start playing the game, should I go directly to SPYFALL 2 or should I buy the first one first?
They've actually refused? Wow, that is mindbogglingly stupid.
Bought Spyfall after Codenames and it was still a huge hit for us. Looking forward to 2
What happens at the end if there is a vote but, it isn't unanimous? Is it like in Deception: Murder in Hong Kong where each player only gets one guess?
If there is not a unanimous vote, then the vote is ignored and the game continues.
I am pretty sure by the rules if you are timed rounds, and the time is out, if the group cannot come to a unanimous vote the spy/spys win the round. But yes otherwise, if people cant agree, the round resumes.
I don't have the first one... should I get this one or the first one?
By the sound of it, I don't think it matters. My suggestion is to look at all of the locations for each game. Then decide which ones you like better and pick that one.
NT why not both? Haha, here's my idea if you play with more people get two (due to the double spy) or if you can't wait till two is on the shelves get one! There's is no major difference though :)
They are the same, unless you play with lots of people. Spyfall 2 goes to 12.
100% agree on the reference card- seems like a no-brainer.
The lack of individual reference cards has stopped me from buying either version. I was hoping this issues was going to be resolved with the 2nd release, unfortunately that was not the case.
Todd Barton apparently in countries that it has been released already, the reference in included. I imagine by March 2017 it will be in the English version.
wow awesome video quality
The page that shows all the locations also cuts off some of the locations (at least in the first) which makes it even more useless. But great game still.
Looks good. Cool locations. No reference card....I smell a micro expansion !
Already have Spyfall 1 but thinking of getting this. No reference card = not getting this.
xxlildevilxx29 Amen!
I am sure someone will pot reference card to print on BGG, just like with the original. Plus you can just write the list of locations and print it a few times, I can't imagine it taking more than ten minutes.
lol I love the last comment about reference cards!
It´s a shame the base game sets have less cards than the new ones... There´s should be a pack to even all locations.
My solution was print under sized reference cards that I then tuck into sleeved cards.
So when is this available in stores? Anyone know some dates
2017
that's not far off.
Lewis S. Amazon says available March 31, 2017.
JPeakCC not too bad. Can't wait to pick it up!
well in the greek version of the game it has refrence cards :P
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Same number of cards, less number of locations. On the fence about purchasing this as Spyfall could have 2 spies easily and 9 players. Excellent point about reference cards, might pass along the 2 pages to the asker from now on.
Rubberbands !??! you know you will damage your cards and mark them ?
setup one pack with all spys...that is a fun weird game.
Haven't played the game, and not disagreeing with Tom, but couldn't one print up (and even laminate) their own set of reference cards?
For sure! And that's what I've done! But I shouldn't have to.
@@thedicetower Agreed.
Spyfall or Chameleon?
I refuse to buy until they print the reference cards!
I disagree. Reference cards would still be suspicious, only the spy needs to look at it. When the spy knows what the place could be, even if he's not sure if that place was among the locations, he can reveal, take the instructions and find the location. Stop. That's it.
Thanks
Love Spyfall but £40 is WAY too rxpensive
Play it free online were everyone has a reference sheet! much better trust me.
Sounds like a silly game..
This game is awful