professional network guy here, those power supply cable retainer clips are THE bane of my existence, they're fine if you only need to do maybe 2 or 4 of them, but if you need to undo them, reaching in the back of a crowded rack, after airflow kits and what not have been installed, they will RUIN your day. NO plastic clips in the data centre, velcro all the way
Same for the cable runners some servers come with, great in theory until you have to take the server out ASAP and those shits just cause problems and get stuck on and cut your hand trying to remove them. Velcro is all you need!
@@elikyals Networking itself is pretty dry, so it'd be hard to recommend dedicated networking channels. David Bombal and Network Chuck have networking and CCNA videos. Otherwise, you can watch decent networking videos from channels that do a variety of content. Level1Tech and Jeff Geerling probably have some interesting networking videos.
@@Bob_Smith19 Because no stupid hardware licensing bullcrap, once you own one of their products it's yours to keep, other companies would make you pay rental or subscription fees just to keep it, that and you don't need a business or be part of a business to buy their stuff
The fact that this thing runs SONiC actually gives me a tiny glimpse of trust that they will actually implement dynamic routing - I'd really love to see how their management stuff (some sort of LXC/Docker container no doubt) is interacting with the NOS. That 1GE port located inside the switch is also almost certainly connected straight to the PHY on that Atom on the control plane board
The way Ubiquiti stuff works currently is that the management interface is a set of applications that run on top of a bog standard Linux-based OS. You can install the network application yourself on top of a Debian/Ubuntu server pretty easily if you don't want to buy a controller. It's not docker-based, but *running* on SONiC should be easy so the only work they have to do is telling the management software how to access the SONIC networking features.
@@paene_ I recall using the CLI on their USG products, and those were very Vyos-like. I think they were forked from Vyos. But the newer Dream machine cli was different. I assume those newer platforms were just running iptables/ebtables on some linux distro.
This is not a 100 gigabit switch. Its a 25 gigabit switch with 100 gigabit uplinks. When you say 100 gigabit switch it usually implies that clients are/can be connected with 100 gigabit. However away from that kinda cool that to se the unifi ecosystem evolve.
Jake doesn't do research before his videos. He flies by the seat of his pants. One of the last networking videos he did he even pulled out a laptop to Google something.
As a network engineer, I still would not use Ubiquiti hardware over Cisco for medium/large enterprises, especially not in core Data Centers. I'm glad they are finally moving up in the industry.
same here, I'd rather choose Cisco Nexus, Juniper or Arista even for medium sized environments. For small business all the way to Mikrotik imho. For really big and scalable DC setups, SDN solutions like ACI or Apstra.
@@kristopherleslie8343that’s a pretty beefy switch. It’s literally ment for medium business. It’s probably not designed for inside data centers but it could work for inside office for physical lan drops for office workers.
@ more of SMB and Small enterprise Id say yes. When you get into territories where you automatically know you have to use one of the top 10 brands, you know they can’t denied.
That’s not a 100Gig switch is a 25gig switch that has a few 100Gig uplinks. If I have a switch with 48 1Gig ports and 2 10Gig uplink ports it’s not a 10Gig switch.
25G links aggegate to 100G via breakout cables. This may very well be 100G switch. 1G ports just can't do this trick. Same for 10G ports, they can transform into 40G link
It’s tricky, both are right. This is a bunch of 100gig ports broken into 4x sfp ports for sure. That’s how all the data center switches are but the title is baity for glossing over that. I would bet you can use a qsfp to 4x sfp pigtail to bind 4 ports back together for a 100g nic on a server.
@@Vatharian With LACP you can aggregate up to 16 ports, whether they are 1, 2.5, 5, 10, or 25 Gig, into a single link with the total bandwidth of the number of ports.
you could definitely hook up 6 servers with one 100g link each and have them connect to each other through this switch. those ports do not need to be uplinks, they can do switching.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 With LACP, every flow (such as a TCP connection) can only use a single port and therefore is limited to the bandwidth of a single port. I'm not sure if 4 SFP28 ports can be combined using a breakout cable into something that behaves like a QSFP28 port. If that's possible, then you can have a single flow (e.g. a single TCP connection) with 100 Gbps.
wish you guys had a network guy that can do good graphics or a graphics guy that understands network well so you could overlay some visualizations of what jake is talking about.
I'm not quite a "network guy" but went down the networking and self hosting rabbit hole a few years ago by simply trying to figure out how to bypass my ISP's equip (ONT, router, etc.). I delved into the Mikrotik ecosystem, which has been great but it has been mostly over my head swimming in the deep end. I've gained some interest in Unifi equipment but only have one AP at this point that I selfhost the controller with. I've been working as a production specialist for a branding agency for the past six years and am happy with (most) all things during the day job but would certainly entertain making "some visualizations of what jake is talking about."
You guys should do a video on the main channel for mid tier homelab solution more of a showcase then anything. Things like invidious, docker containers. Opnsense with a VPN, cloudflare, vm desktop management like kasm, nextcloud with all its featurea, freshrss, plex, searxng adguardhome crowdsec, home assistant, ollama, redlib ubiquiti and so on. The amount of services you can cut with open source software for your entire family is crazy.
Please get your information from people which know about this stuff, as someone working in that industry it's always a bit cringe to watch, but on the other hand funny to see.
i wish Ubiquiti would just make full sized full on 2.5gbe switches. Ridiculous they want hundreds of dollars for a gigabit switch with like 4 2.5gbe ports
It can't be far off from a release. The new flex mini 2.5g has 5 2.5Gbe ports for £40. Then again, this is ubiquiti and they're not known for following common sense.
Nice to see Ubiquiti stepping up their game. MLAG is pretty old already but it required switches that had a stacking feature with special 'high speed' back plane cables. I think the first one's i've done this with were Cisco 3750's in mid-late 2000's. Around the early 2010's HP and 3Com came out with switches that could stack via ethernet. LAG has been around for longer than that, but always restricted to just one switch.
We're a Juniper shop and have MC-LAG set up on our core 9208 switches, but honestly I prefer how the lower end 4300-class switches are set up. We link them together in a virtual chassis, then use regular old LACP to aggregate ports from different member switches. It's just a simpler way to do the same thing.
The external CPU is a SOM(system on module) it is a complete computer in a modular package, it’s a bit more expensive but saves the hardware developer time and licensing to layout their own intel computer. The 2 large connectors underneath can hold pcie, usb, Ethernet and other IO so the developers only have to be concerned the FPGA and switch design. Also the SOM usually has a dev kit that breaks out the IO so the software developers can write the software while the hardware is being created.
This is great so small company like Ubiquiti can focus on sưitching hyperplane and run the routing hyperplane off standardize hardware. They can also reuse the same kind of hardware across multiple product line.
as a network engineer, you know i truly enjoyed this video. And after unboxing thousands of Cisco routers, switches, and firewalls, your excitement is still mine with every unboxing. It is part of our networking DNA
@@jeremylindemann5117 cpu in the switch was just for management though, the actually heavylifting stuff is the ASIC soo....socketed cpu maybe not that needed
4:44 generally networking equipment is made to run with just the ears and servers require full rails. A network rack will be 2 post and server rack will be 4 post. A lot of the time it's ok putting servers in a 2 post network rack. They make special standoff adapters to let you balance a 4 post server in a 2 post network rack.
I install UBNT Unifi aggregation equipment quite a bit and have been waiting for this also. Not the best, pretty basic, but it's what I expect from Unifi. For smaller to small/mid businesses, this works fine.
I'm a network engineer at an ISP. I have about $3k of Ubiquiti gear at home. It's nice to see they're catching up in the campus enterprise class. I doubt they'll ever be in the carrier world but it might be cool. I have to know how to speak Juniper, Cisco, Alcatel, Adva, more different Adva, other more different Adva, Cienna, Rad, oh another kind of Cisco. Once unified language would be nice.
If it's running SONiC under the hood as he said, that means it already supports everything SONiC supports today if you don't manage it through Unifi. What're you still looking for hardware wise? MS open source'd the switch OS a few years back and it's running all of Azure - the feature set is still a little hyperscaler centric, but is far more extensive that what Ubiquiti has exposed so far.
Hey Jake, it's common to use daughter boards that are more dense than the carrier board. The carrier board may only be 8 layers, while the processor board may be 16. It's a cost saving measure.
This is not the case here they just picked a computer-on-module (COM Express form factor), so they do not need to develop it. They just can buy already of the shelf module from siffwrent vendors and dont need time to develop their own. There is nothing wrong with doing that. Maybe it will cost more in the long run, but in this case, I believe it will cost less (time saved will save enough money for the amount of the amount of product they will sell). By the way, here you do not need to have different numbers of PCB layers because all components require the same number of layers (usually 8 of if you are very good and cheap. 6 more is needed only if you are incomplete).
Finally!!! Multilink aggragation!!!!!! UI, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! I have been wanting this for my home for the longest time... So many times i've been hit with a switch getting unplugged somewhere and random servers/appliances/devices loose network... Now I can truely make my network redundant down to my UDM-SE... When UDM's are TRUE HA (no shadow config, but actually send traffic thru both UDM's at the same time, or one on standby and it auto enabled and traffic flows if the main one goes down, then I'll be complete.
This $4,000 switch is out of my price range lets take it apart! That's a brave man right there. UniFI always has some asterisks you gotta be on the lookout for with a feature set. I really wish they would extended MC-LAG feature other products in the line. The fact there new Campus 48 Port POE switches don't have it is surprising.
I've worked building and review designs for chassis like this, and I cringed at the way you slapped those cards around. Those soldered in place BGAs having their heatsinks pulled off was painful too! Plus no ground strap! YEEEESH! Hope that sucker still works when you put her back together. =) Nice video though!
Dude when that leaf switch came out from ubiquiti and then immediately sold out and then never made it past EA I was so sad I worked at a media company they really needed something like that exciting that these are finally on the market
I have just started using Ubiquiti (still in the setup and configuring phase). I'd love a video series on how to use this stuff for small business. Like... when you are a volunteer tech guy, and the budget is under 3k. What do you get for controllers, switches, cameras, etc. How to configure, install, gotchas to watch out for, etc.
I like to see a Jake's $5000 Ubiquiti tech upgrade. Let him free to upgrade his home network. Videos like this are fun to watch and you can tell he's passionate about it.
8:00 My guess as to why they're in groups of 4 for the SFP form factor is that they're probably using a QSFP+28 chip, broken out into 4 SFP ports, probably simplifies board design opposed to 4xSFP+28 chips
So sad that they went with a 98CX instead of a 98DX like Mikrotik's use. There is no hope for ever getting DCB features on these in the future then, so no RoCEv2.
MLAG was supported already on Ubiquiti, the big new feature on this switch is MC-LAG. And hopefully, we see MC-LAG on other Ubiquiti switches. Hell, it would be nice even if it showed up on the other ECS switches.
I think they will revise the UCG-Max for future sales and probably do smth with the sold ones via OS updates. Aside from temps issues it is a solid router. Incredibly compact and powerful.
The switch ASIC is actually the 98CS8414, the A0 suffix refers to its silicon stepping with A0 being the first iteration. Those looking around for its specs can also find that it can support up to eight ports at 100 Gbit, not just the six that were implemented here. This product might actually be using the same family of chips as originally noted in its early access testing back in 2019. Cavium bought Xpliant but kept their product lines and name around for a few years until Marvell bought Cavium. Marvell has done a rather good purge of the Prestera 8500 line of chips in favor of the newer 8500C line up which isn't the same (the newer chips support 56 Gbit PAM4 signaling to the modules).
In my opinion the one thing that holds Unifi back from being a viable choice in enterprise networking is their awful 802.1x (Port Security) implementation. The AP or switch can be a authenticater, but not a supplicant. This means, your Uplink port(s) must not be secured. So some can just unplug an accesspoint or something, and use the uplink port.
9:24 for reference: no, any real enterprise switch just runs each port individually (Juniper, Aruba, Extreme, Cisco,...). But you get what you pay for.. 13:33 What you are trying to do is just an Aggregate, not an MC (multi chassis), because it's just on 1 chassis. But nice to see Ubiquiti catching up
I would like to see an LTT video about the Secure Gateway Pro 4. It is an end-of-life product, and therefore very cheap on second-hand. I believe it is possible to flash custom firmware on them. I still use one on which I have installed Noctua fans. I hope that I can use it for a while. If I change it out I want something rackmount. Maybe I can reuse the case of the USG-PRO-4 and just put a UXG-Max inside of it?
For the power cord.. also there were some cisco with some metal spring and some plastik which you can wrap around the cable and turn around (weird to tell the technic) so it don't get pulled out accidently
he mentioned aggregation being in the name is because you can link agg 2 connections from a server. while yea, that is what link agg is, that's not why aggregation is in the name of the product. an aggregation switch means it is extremely powerful, it can max out the bandwidth on every port at the same time. an aggregation switch is made to be at the center of a large network, connecting the rack switches with core network routers. it's an aggregation switch because it's made to be used in that location in a datacenter.
Those "King Slide" come with a bunch of different enterprise networking gear in Data Centres I've seen, I think they are an OEM brand that provide universal and specific rackmount rails for alot of networking vendors.
3:42 - LAG, MLAG and MC-LAG are slightly different. LAG = link aggregation. MLAG = multi-link aggregation which is link aggregation on more than two links. MC-LAG = multi-chassis link aggregation is MLAG across multiple switch chassis.
dedicated management port implies they let you connect to something other than the web gui, which unifi doesn't like you to do. ive never recommended unifi for something that needs enterprise uptime because of their near-constant updates and lack of terminal access for management
Can someone ease my concerns? My nerd gut feeling is warning me to stay away from Ubiquiti, telling me that they are going to force customers into subscription services to be able to use all (local) switch management features.
I don't think they would ever do that. That's their entire business model is to undercut the other vendors by selling low priced equipment with no subscriptions or licensing. They make their profit from volume not from subscription. They can't keep their stuff in stock because it keeps selling out so that's kind of proof that they have a winning business model.
Thats a 25g switch not a 100g one. You would also not call a 48port gigabit switch with 10g ports a 10G switch... They are actually very cheap, propper enterprise switches start at 6-8K dependign on brand. But they are also lacing vital features which are neccessary in an enterpeise like out of band managment and a Serial connection to set them up remotely. Not quite sure how unify would handle a compleet whipeout of the network and just new switch drop ins without physical access to the devices. This switch is fine if you have on pair. But at our campus we have about 10 Pairs that aggregate several buildings. I Personally would not trunst them to be as reliable or managable as our Cisco 9500-48y4c
FYI stacking just offers a single pane of glass for management and is typically NOT recommended for redundancy. What would be common to find is MCLAG at your core/aggregation layer and then all the access switches uplinked to them would be stacked to make management easier.
Are layer 3 routing features hardware accelerated or is it completely useless? Should be able to do it through QAT accelerators on the Intel CPU. No mention of VXLAN or EVPN is kind of an L but at least there is SONiC support. I wonder how managing that through Unifi Controller will go, will you be able to use it as a GUI for other SONiC switches as well? That would be amazing
Price-wise they're fairly evenly matched. Reliability-wise and function-wise they're pretty bad usually. Features indefinitely stuck in 'coming soon' or 'beta' with some features just never working. At least their switches no longer catch on fire due to overheating anymore but yeah, no more Unifi switches for me...
You could have Jake make a separate channel for all the DC/IT/Dev professionals and have him run it with Antony, call it "Netlinked" or something. I'd watch
I suspect the processor daughter board is to provide future upgrades for CPUs, whether that be a SKU update or a manufacturer update (going from Intel to ARM or RISC-V). A 32-core RISC-V SoC and 128 GB of DDR5 would allow for lots of NFV capabilities.
Jeez I'm old... I look at all of conventional switches I work with (no orchestration because it's a purchased add on and see unifi switches. Tbh the "single pane" looks fricken awesome.
meanwhile at my work the whole building has RJ45 jacks connected with 100mbit half duplex ports with no current plan to change them out due to cost constraints lol despite heavy use of networked storage and data policy not to store data locally
i'm not sure if its just new to the unifi series, but ubiquity itself has had devices with redundant power supplies for a while now. at least my ubiquiti edgerouter infinity has dual power supplies, and its several years old at this point.
@@LtdJorge Yea 90% of unifi switches and hardware have a 4 pin serial connector inside, older switches and some higher end ones present these as RJ45 ports the Edge Series and newer USIP line do this as well.
Dedicated Management Port would be unlikely given that this implies that some customers want to run it purely local and not via their Cloud. And obviously EVERYONE wants to be in the UniFi Cloud :)
Wow... seeing the state of a " new" switch with such limited capabilities really puts the HPE campus switches i have been working with into perspective.
This is basically like Christmas for Jake.
@@HistoriaAlive wow, you're so edgy!
@@yasha1928 And maybe your edges are quite dull.
Let's call it Jakemas.
Did Jake leave LTT?
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334Both Jake's are in this video.
professional network guy here, those power supply cable retainer clips are THE bane of my existence, they're fine if you only need to do maybe 2 or 4 of them, but if you need to undo them, reaching in the back of a crowded rack, after airflow kits and what not have been installed, they will RUIN your day. NO plastic clips in the data centre, velcro all the way
Same for the cable runners some servers come with, great in theory until you have to take the server out ASAP and those shits just cause problems and get stuck on and cut your hand trying to remove them. Velcro is all you need!
Hey professional network guy, any good networking channels out there? Any recommendations?
amen to that...
@@elikyals Networking itself is pretty dry, so it'd be hard to recommend dedicated networking channels. David Bombal and Network Chuck have networking and CCNA videos. Otherwise, you can watch decent networking videos from channels that do a variety of content. Level1Tech and Jeff Geerling probably have some interesting networking videos.
Amen brother!!
We need a main channel video that shows and explains all of the Ubiquiti stuff.
... or a TechQuickie
SysAdmin channel for network/it stuff
Why bother. Most of their products are never in stock. I will never understand why people use them.
@@Bob_Smith19 I've been able to buy all the products I've needed from ubiquiti without waiting, I can smell the skill issue
@@Bob_Smith19 Because no stupid hardware licensing bullcrap, once you own one of their products it's yours to keep, other companies would make you pay rental or subscription fees just to keep it, that and you don't need a business or be part of a business to buy their stuff
The fact Jake used the word "Traditional" to describe a literal screen on the front of a switch really does show how far things have come with tech.
For Ubiquiti it is, almost all of their products have it
@@eloimartinez9446 You could say it's ubiquitous in their products
*ba du tsss!
Jake’s got the itches for switches.
big thicky switches at that
@@prodazzda Jake- "I'll be in my bunk."
On his glock 😮
I prefer a top
Getting the stickies for the thickies
The fact that this thing runs SONiC actually gives me a tiny glimpse of trust that they will actually implement dynamic routing - I'd really love to see how their management stuff (some sort of LXC/Docker container no doubt) is interacting with the NOS. That 1GE port located inside the switch is also almost certainly connected straight to the PHY on that Atom on the control plane board
Yeah SONiC on this is actually a big deal and IMO speaks volumes about how Ubiquiti is approaching the enterprise space.
The way Ubiquiti stuff works currently is that the management interface is a set of applications that run on top of a bog standard Linux-based OS. You can install the network application yourself on top of a Debian/Ubuntu server pretty easily if you don't want to buy a controller. It's not docker-based, but *running* on SONiC should be easy so the only work they have to do is telling the management software how to access the SONIC networking features.
Isn't Unifi Network just Vyos under the hood?
I just checked the store page and it currently supports BGP! OSPF is Coming Soon, of course
@@paene_ I recall using the CLI on their USG products, and those were very Vyos-like. I think they were forked from Vyos. But the newer Dream machine cli was different. I assume those newer platforms were just running iptables/ebtables on some linux distro.
This is not a 100 gigabit switch. Its a 25 gigabit switch with 100 gigabit uplinks. When you say 100 gigabit switch it usually implies that clients are/can be connected with 100 gigabit.
However away from that kinda cool that to se the unifi ecosystem evolve.
Was thinking the same thing
Jake doesn't do research before his videos. He flies by the seat of his pants. One of the last networking videos he did he even pulled out a laptop to Google something.
Well then yell at Ubiquiti too. It's listed on their site as a 100G/25G Layer 3 Etherlighting™ aggregation switch.
@@harshbarjhence the "aggregation". This type of switches are for for distribution or ToR.
yeah true
As a network engineer, I still would not use Ubiquiti hardware over Cisco for medium/large enterprises, especially not in core Data Centers.
I'm glad they are finally moving up in the industry.
same here, I'd rather choose Cisco Nexus, Juniper or Arista even for medium sized environments. For small business all the way to Mikrotik imho. For really big and scalable DC setups, SDN solutions like ACI or Apstra.
They aren’t built to beat Cisco so why would you been try?
@@kristopherleslie8343that’s a pretty beefy switch. It’s literally ment for medium business. It’s probably not designed for inside data centers but it could work for inside office for physical lan drops for office workers.
Ubiquiti is perfectly fine for most business use.
@ more of SMB and Small enterprise Id say yes. When you get into territories where you automatically know you have to use one of the top 10 brands, you know they can’t denied.
That’s not a 100Gig switch is a 25gig switch that has a few 100Gig uplinks. If I have a switch with 48 1Gig ports and 2 10Gig uplink ports it’s not a 10Gig switch.
25G links aggegate to 100G via breakout cables. This may very well be 100G switch. 1G ports just can't do this trick. Same for 10G ports, they can transform into 40G link
It’s tricky, both are right. This is a bunch of 100gig ports broken into 4x sfp ports for sure. That’s how all the data center switches are but the title is baity for glossing over that.
I would bet you can use a qsfp to 4x sfp pigtail to bind 4 ports back together for a 100g nic on a server.
@@Vatharian With LACP you can aggregate up to 16 ports, whether they are 1, 2.5, 5, 10, or 25 Gig, into a single link with the total bandwidth of the number of ports.
you could definitely hook up 6 servers with one 100g link each and have them connect to each other through this switch. those ports do not need to be uplinks, they can do switching.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 With LACP, every flow (such as a TCP connection) can only use a single port and therefore is limited to the bandwidth of a single port. I'm not sure if 4 SFP28 ports can be combined using a breakout cable into something that behaves like a QSFP28 port. If that's possible, then you can have a single flow (e.g. a single TCP connection) with 100 Gbps.
The modular computer at 18:30 is known as a com express computer. It's a standardized form factor commonly used in industrial settings.
wish you guys had a network guy that can do good graphics or a graphics guy that understands network well so you could overlay some visualizations of what jake is talking about.
I'm not quite a "network guy" but went down the networking and self hosting rabbit hole a few years ago by simply trying to figure out how to bypass my ISP's equip (ONT, router, etc.). I delved into the Mikrotik ecosystem, which has been great but it has been mostly over my head swimming in the deep end. I've gained some interest in Unifi equipment but only have one AP at this point that I selfhost the controller with. I've been working as a production specialist for a branding agency for the past six years and am happy with (most) all things during the day job but would certainly entertain making "some visualizations of what jake is talking about."
I love when Jake gets presents! His joy makes my cold dead heart grow three sizes this day! 💗
You guys should do a video on the main channel for mid tier homelab solution more of a showcase then anything.
Things like invidious, docker containers. Opnsense with a VPN, cloudflare, vm desktop management like kasm, nextcloud with all its featurea, freshrss, plex, searxng adguardhome crowdsec, home assistant, ollama, redlib ubiquiti and so on.
The amount of services you can cut with open source software for your entire family is crazy.
The last time they did something like this it was laughably bad. “Buy an old computer and install Windows” 😂
Please get your information from people which know about this stuff, as someone working in that industry it's always a bit cringe to watch, but on the other hand funny to see.
Nice. These look just right for the homenetwork. 😄
If you buy these you need to make packet storms just so you're using the whole bandwidth.
@@termiterasin Haha True!
i wish Ubiquiti would just make full sized full on 2.5gbe switches. Ridiculous they want hundreds of dollars for a gigabit switch with like 4 2.5gbe ports
I feel your pain. This hits too close to home
The 48 Pro Max has 16 2.5G though.
The 48 Enterprise PoE is full 2.5 and full PoE. Compared to other brands there's a lot of value there for the price
It can't be far off from a release. The new flex mini 2.5g has 5 2.5Gbe ports for £40. Then again, this is ubiquiti and they're not known for following common sense.
@@ionstorm66that’s also a $1600 usd switch.
Nice to see Ubiquiti stepping up their game. MLAG is pretty old already but it required switches that had a stacking feature with special 'high speed' back plane cables. I think the first one's i've done this with were Cisco 3750's in mid-late 2000's. Around the early 2010's HP and 3Com came out with switches that could stack via ethernet.
LAG has been around for longer than that, but always restricted to just one switch.
Thank you for the teardown, getting that information on Ubiquity gear is extremely rare.
We're a Juniper shop and have MC-LAG set up on our core 9208 switches, but honestly I prefer how the lower end 4300-class switches are set up. We link them together in a virtual chassis, then use regular old LACP to aggregate ports from different member switches. It's just a simpler way to do the same thing.
The external CPU is a SOM(system on module) it is a complete computer in a modular package, it’s a bit more expensive but saves the hardware developer time and licensing to layout their own intel computer. The 2 large connectors underneath can hold pcie, usb, Ethernet and other IO so the developers only have to be concerned the FPGA and switch design. Also the SOM usually has a dev kit that breaks out the IO so the software developers can write the software while the hardware is being created.
This is great so small company like Ubiquiti can focus on sưitching hyperplane and run the routing hyperplane off standardize hardware. They can also reuse the same kind of hardware across multiple product line.
as a network engineer, you know i truly enjoyed this video. And after unboxing thousands of Cisco routers, switches, and firewalls, your excitement is still mine with every unboxing. It is part of our networking DNA
What surprises me is the decent hardware used inside. Very well thought through and ready for scaling up...
Would I be alone in thinking that it would be better if the CPU was socketed instead of soldered?
@@jeremylindemann5117 cpu in the switch was just for management though, the actually heavylifting stuff is the ASIC
soo....socketed cpu maybe not that needed
@@jeremylindemann5117Why?
@@LtdJorge Replaceable/upgradeable.
4:44 generally networking equipment is made to run with just the ears and servers require full rails. A network rack will be 2 post and server rack will be 4 post. A lot of the time it's ok putting servers in a 2 post network rack. They make special standoff adapters to let you balance a 4 post server in a 2 post network rack.
That used to be the case but a lot of modern enterprise switches are getting so long and heavy that 4 post mounting is pretty much mandatory.
I install UBNT Unifi aggregation equipment quite a bit and have been waiting for this also. Not the best, pretty basic, but it's what I expect from Unifi. For smaller to small/mid businesses, this works fine.
I'm a network engineer at an ISP. I have about $3k of Ubiquiti gear at home. It's nice to see they're catching up in the campus enterprise class. I doubt they'll ever be in the carrier world but it might be cool. I have to know how to speak Juniper, Cisco, Alcatel, Adva, more different Adva, other more different Adva, Cienna, Rad, oh another kind of Cisco. Once unified language would be nice.
If it's running SONiC under the hood as he said, that means it already supports everything SONiC supports today if you don't manage it through Unifi. What're you still looking for hardware wise? MS open source'd the switch OS a few years back and it's running all of Azure - the feature set is still a little hyperscaler centric, but is far more extensive that what Ubiquiti has exposed so far.
@@FireStormOOO_ True, but it isn't vanilla sonic... unifi is modifying it. I hope they don't change too much
Or at least datacenter class, like make a decent spine/leaf switch line supporting EVPN
Hey Jake, it's common to use daughter boards that are more dense than the carrier board. The carrier board may only be 8 layers, while the processor board may be 16. It's a cost saving measure.
This is not the case here they just picked a computer-on-module (COM Express form factor), so they do not need to develop it. They just can buy already of the shelf module from siffwrent vendors and dont need time to develop their own. There is nothing wrong with doing that. Maybe it will cost more in the long run, but in this case, I believe it will cost less (time saved will save enough money for the amount of the amount of product they will sell).
By the way, here you do not need to have different numbers of PCB layers because all components require the same number of layers (usually 8 of if you are very good and cheap. 6 more is needed only if you are incomplete).
Crazy how the beard just disappeared
Needed to do windows updates, :D
I thought you were kidding lol, it was like watching a stable diffusion video
I haven’t even noticed wtf
Just fell off
Woah. I missed that - had to go back to check. Start at 6:09 and watch carefully! 👀
This is one of those few times when you get to use the word “giddy” to describe someone, Jake is so excited at unboxing this
Always here for jake being jake about network gear.
Finally!!! Multilink aggragation!!!!!!
UI, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! I have been wanting this for my home for the longest time... So many times i've been hit with a switch getting unplugged somewhere and random servers/appliances/devices loose network... Now I can truely make my network redundant down to my UDM-SE... When UDM's are TRUE HA (no shadow config, but actually send traffic thru both UDM's at the same time, or one on standby and it auto enabled and traffic flows if the main one goes down, then I'll be complete.
I only clicked this video to see Jake being super hyped about Ubiquiti gear 😅
He needs to review more network gear in a hot tub LOL.
Same, I dislike Ubiqiuti gear in general.
Can we just have like.... a bunch of videos of Jake doing networking, geeking out, teaching, etc etc?
Wow, the little audio insert on 2:34 it's almost perfect
Watching Jake handle that new expensive hardware was like watching a kid playing with glass.
This $4,000 switch is out of my price range lets take it apart! That's a brave man right there. UniFI always has some asterisks you gotta be on the lookout for with a feature set. I really wish they would extended MC-LAG feature other products in the line. The fact there new Campus 48 Port POE switches don't have it is surprising.
10:28 The "Top and Bottom Switches" part has a nice choice for word aggregation
I've worked building and review designs for chassis like this, and I cringed at the way you slapped those cards around.
Those soldered in place BGAs having their heatsinks pulled off was painful too! Plus no ground strap! YEEEESH!
Hope that sucker still works when you put her back together. =)
Nice video though!
Dude when that leaf switch came out from ubiquiti and then immediately sold out and then never made it past EA I was so sad I worked at a media company they really needed something like that exciting that these are finally on the market
are the fans reversible? back to front airflow would be nice for back of rack installation
Could probably just turn the fan around in the cradle. Looked like regular screws
You can tell he loves his job
I have just started using Ubiquiti (still in the setup and configuring phase). I'd love a video series on how to use this stuff for small business. Like... when you are a volunteer tech guy, and the budget is under 3k. What do you get for controllers, switches, cameras, etc. How to configure, install, gotchas to watch out for, etc.
I pray that we get a video ripping all the non ubiquiti switches out and popping these in :D
This is the best end sponsor segue. Good job Dennis.
I’ve been waiting for a “Holly shit balls” type Jake video like it’s Christmas. Yayy.
13:37(leet) this can be useful for a server in a seperate building that only has one switch, and a 100G link back to the core stack.
Like others have said, this is a 25GB switch with a few 100G uplinks, but it's good to see more options in this space. I like the Mikrotik ones too.
I like to see a Jake's $5000 Ubiquiti tech upgrade. Let him free to upgrade his home network. Videos like this are fun to watch and you can tell he's passionate about it.
I love all the extra info you give us, I learnt a lot ....thx😊
8:00 My guess as to why they're in groups of 4 for the SFP form factor is that they're probably using a QSFP+28 chip, broken out into 4 SFP ports, probably simplifies board design opposed to 4xSFP+28 chips
3:28 I received King Slide with an Ambedded server; they seem more rare in the US at least.
So sad that they went with a 98CX instead of a 98DX like Mikrotik's use. There is no hope for ever getting DCB features on these in the future then, so no RoCEv2.
MLAG was supported already on Ubiquiti, the big new feature on this switch is MC-LAG. And hopefully, we see MC-LAG on other Ubiquiti switches. Hell, it would be nice even if it showed up on the other ECS switches.
This would be handy to have on my Pro aggregation switches
Hope they release a good home router with 2.5 GbE ports and well thought out thermal design
I think they will revise the UCG-Max for future sales and probably do smth with the sold ones via OS updates. Aside from temps issues it is a solid router. Incredibly compact and powerful.
I wanna buy a precision screwdriver set but I'll have to wait til LTT come to Europe hopefully at some point in the future.
The switch ASIC is actually the 98CS8414, the A0 suffix refers to its silicon stepping with A0 being the first iteration. Those looking around for its specs can also find that it can support up to eight ports at 100 Gbit, not just the six that were implemented here. This product might actually be using the same family of chips as originally noted in its early access testing back in 2019. Cavium bought Xpliant but kept their product lines and name around for a few years until Marvell bought Cavium. Marvell has done a rather good purge of the Prestera 8500 line of chips in favor of the newer 8500C line up which isn't the same (the newer chips support 56 Gbit PAM4 signaling to the modules).
I was ironically looking at these the other day 😅🤣
Crisco, Let alone Mikrotik be like : 5 YEARS too late baby!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That is not the first of theirs with redundant power. The Dream wall has Redundant power. Which are also 550w power modules. Just different type.
In my opinion the one thing that holds Unifi back from being a viable choice in enterprise networking is their awful 802.1x (Port Security) implementation. The AP or switch can be a authenticater, but not a supplicant. This means, your Uplink port(s) must not be secured. So some can just unplug an accesspoint or something, and use the uplink port.
ShortCircuit: "It's a big box for a switch" Cisco: "Hold my beer..."
9:24 for reference: no, any real enterprise switch just runs each port individually (Juniper, Aruba, Extreme, Cisco,...). But you get what you pay for..
13:33 What you are trying to do is just an Aggregate, not an MC (multi chassis), because it's just on 1 chassis.
But nice to see Ubiquiti catching up
"LAGgrigated" is my new favorite word. Thanks Jake!
Cpu runs the commands im sure theres a asic chip that does the packet moving like other brands
thanks a lot for a open-chassis kind of teardown! was assuming a marvell baby in there (;
understood bout 2 words, still enjoyed, tech is awesome
thanks
The whole time I’m expecting Jake to drop them (because he keeps sliding them around crazily close to the edge)
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen Jake so happy
I understand nothing in network stuff but its always so interesting to watch Jake talking about it.
I would like to see an LTT video about the Secure Gateway Pro 4. It is an end-of-life product, and therefore very cheap on second-hand.
I believe it is possible to flash custom firmware on them.
I still use one on which I have installed Noctua fans. I hope that I can use it for a while.
If I change it out I want something rackmount.
Maybe I can reuse the case of the USG-PRO-4 and just put a UXG-Max inside of it?
wtf OSPF is realy handy why is that not on release on it
For the power cord.. also there were some cisco with some metal spring and some plastik which you can wrap around the cable and turn around (weird to tell the technic) so it don't get pulled out accidently
he mentioned aggregation being in the name is because you can link agg 2 connections from a server. while yea, that is what link agg is, that's not why aggregation is in the name of the product. an aggregation switch means it is extremely powerful, it can max out the bandwidth on every port at the same time. an aggregation switch is made to be at the center of a large network, connecting the rack switches with core network routers. it's an aggregation switch because it's made to be used in that location in a datacenter.
3:20 Those "King Slide" rails look a lot like Dell rails, so that's probably where you've seen them.
Those "King Slide" come with a bunch of different enterprise networking gear in Data Centres I've seen, I think they are an OEM brand that provide universal and specific rackmount rails for alot of networking vendors.
3:42 - LAG, MLAG and MC-LAG are slightly different.
LAG = link aggregation.
MLAG = multi-link aggregation which is link aggregation on more than two links.
MC-LAG = multi-chassis link aggregation is MLAG across multiple switch chassis.
These definitions all change depending on what vendor you're talking about.
Mlag is just vendor specific name. It is still multi-chassis LAG
And there a lot of other name vPC, DRNI it's all the MCLAG in practical sense.
dedicated management port implies they let you connect to something other than the web gui, which unifi doesn't like you to do. ive never recommended unifi for something that needs enterprise uptime because of their near-constant updates and lack of terminal access for management
Can someone ease my concerns? My nerd gut feeling is warning me to stay away from Ubiquiti, telling me that they are going to force customers into subscription services to be able to use all (local) switch management features.
I have never had anything but bad experiences with Ubiquiti. Trust your gut. It is being honest with you.
I don't think they would ever do that. That's their entire business model is to undercut the other vendors by selling low priced equipment with no subscriptions or licensing. They make their profit from volume not from subscription. They can't keep their stuff in stock because it keeps selling out so that's kind of proof that they have a winning business model.
Previous Cisco experience? 🎉
Thats a 25g switch not a 100g one. You would also not call a 48port gigabit switch with 10g ports a 10G switch...
They are actually very cheap, propper enterprise switches start at 6-8K dependign on brand. But they are also lacing vital features which are neccessary in an enterpeise like out of band managment and a Serial connection to set them up remotely.
Not quite sure how unify would handle a compleet whipeout of the network and just new switch drop ins without physical access to the devices.
This switch is fine if you have on pair. But at our campus we have about 10 Pairs that aggregate several buildings. I Personally would not trunst them to be as reliable or managable as our Cisco 9500-48y4c
FYI stacking just offers a single pane of glass for management and is typically NOT recommended for redundancy. What would be common to find is MCLAG at your core/aggregation layer and then all the access switches uplinked to them would be stacked to make management easier.
after working with cisco nexus switches and DC firewalls with 100Gib ports this is so cute
Are layer 3 routing features hardware accelerated or is it completely useless? Should be able to do it through QAT accelerators on the Intel CPU. No mention of VXLAN or EVPN is kind of an L but at least there is SONiC support. I wonder how managing that through Unifi Controller will go, will you be able to use it as a GUI for other SONiC switches as well? That would be amazing
Curious how this price compares to similar offerings from other companies
Price-wise they're fairly evenly matched. Reliability-wise and function-wise they're pretty bad usually. Features indefinitely stuck in 'coming soon' or 'beta' with some features just never working.
At least their switches no longer catch on fire due to overheating anymore but yeah, no more Unifi switches for me...
Wish they would make an 8 port 25gb agg switch as an update to the 8 port 10gb agg.
honestly for the price that's a pretty great piece of hardware, way more than I'll ever need though
I guess next week Linus will be installing these in his house.
this isn't the first ubiquiti product with redundant power
You know your sponsors have run away when the most viewed part is after the sponsor 😂 that being shoes
You should try FS Switches, especially the PicOS ones, they're sick. They go up to 64 x 800G speeds.
I don't understand why so many people go crazy for ubiquiti when there are so many better and more capable options on the market.
You could have Jake make a separate channel for all the DC/IT/Dev professionals and have him run it with Antony, call it "Netlinked" or something. I'd watch
I've never seen anyone so excited to see included rackmount rails 😅
I suspect the processor daughter board is to provide future upgrades for CPUs, whether that be a SKU update or a manufacturer update (going from Intel to ARM or RISC-V).
A 32-core RISC-V SoC and 128 GB of DDR5 would allow for lots of NFV capabilities.
I swear Idk what that thing is, but I'm excited for you
I’m sure Ubiquity enjoyed having their new ent grade switches compared to old Dell’s with ancient Broadcom ASICs & all their limitations. 😂
What's so ancient about those Broadcoms, and what are their limitations?
Things will actually get exciting once y’all try out the 5U juniper QFX5700 populated with 100-400 Gig.
Jeez I'm old... I look at all of conventional switches I work with (no orchestration because it's a purchased add on and see unifi switches. Tbh the "single pane" looks fricken awesome.
meanwhile at my work the whole building has RJ45 jacks connected with 100mbit half duplex ports with no current plan to change them out due to cost constraints lol despite heavy use of networked storage and data policy not to store data locally
i'm not sure if its just new to the unifi series, but ubiquity itself has had devices with redundant power supplies for a while now. at least my ubiquiti edgerouter infinity has dual power supplies, and its several years old at this point.
The Ubiquiti EFG was the first with redundant power supplies. But other than that, their ECS line is a nice offering
16:49 that doesn't look like a typical LAN port due to the lack of indicator lights. Could be a 8P8C serial connection.
Yep, I think it’s the console port.
@@LtdJorge Yea 90% of unifi switches and hardware have a 4 pin serial connector inside, older switches and some higher end ones present these as RJ45 ports the Edge Series and newer USIP line do this as well.
Dedicated Management Port would be unlikely given that this implies that some customers want to run it purely local and not via their Cloud.
And obviously EVERYONE wants to be in the UniFi Cloud :)
I've got a fair size network and it's on a local controller.
I guess you can use that as a distribution switch... And connect access switches to it. It would be a cool solution.. 😄
Wow... seeing the state of a " new" switch with such limited capabilities really puts the HPE campus switches i have been working with into perspective.