After a few comments about the Workforce ES-50 working without installing the drivers for some people (Debian 12, Linux Mint 21), I thought I might give it a try on some of my other computers. Both Endeavour OS and Linux Mint 21.3 worked with the document scanner application on both distros without installing the drivers. However, the scan always scans the full page (A4 size), requiring the crop function. The drivers set the scan size to exactly what is scanned, so one might consider the driver install or not based on the need for auto-cropping.
Setting up and converting a thin client for my daughter to have a cheap, small, and energy efficient pc for homework and general computing i naturally chose linux as the os due to it's lightweight nature, specifically mint. While i waited for the internal m.2 wifi card to arrive, i was using my Netgear NA USB-3 widi adapter, and it worked out if the box. Dont remember the kernel version, but it's whatever the initial version with 21.3. And continued to work after connecting to the update service and getting the latest kernel of that generation. Even works with the highest gen kernel shown on the kernel selection screen in the update tool. So yeah, some USB wifi adapters just work.
@0:33 If you don't need the latest and greatest "planned obsolescence" printer from HP because of the fancy look and feel, an old Office Jet without spy technology will likely work like a charm with aftermarket ink cartridges. ☺
For sure, as I have an HP Envy 4516 that does print, scan, copy, wireless, and it works great on Linux as long as you can find a reliable source of Ink as some dubious sellers will refill the cartridges where the chips are not reset, it's a fake chip, or a damaged chip. which has happened to me a few times, also if you don't have color ink some HP's won't even print in grayscale B/W so I keep a legit color ink tank in mine with just enough ink the printer shuts up, and only print in B/W as it's all I need, and far cheaper.
I happen to have the same scanner and was surprised it worked without installing drivers on Debian 12, i was even disconnected from internet at that moment.
I have not used Epsin in a while so things may have changed. But you used to be able to use most of their scanner drivers in different models because they didn't change the brain too often, except for some functionalities. So I used to just go through these scanners and tryed them drivers under Linux one by one until I got one that's mostly worked even if it wasn't supported Scanner.
I have a thinkpad P-50 awesome machine but there isn't a driver anywhere for the fingerprint reader. Even the edge iso doesnt support it . This particular fingerprint reader is on various machines with the same problems running linux. Works flawlessly on winblows just not on linux
People keeps pointing out either "it depends on what distro and kernel you use" and "just use old hardwares bro", while the mainline developers already dropping support for many not-even-that-old hardwares recently I know, it's already noticeable when 32-bit platform were deprecated from many distributions, but still... Also in regard of non-free drivers, i don't really have issues with it since i'm not a free software fundamentalist aside some of it being buggy or slow downs the system for no reason (rumors from forums keep saying it strange behavior of said drivers telemetries trying to track it's users but i can't confrim further)
Ofc it depends on the distro. Lets take debian and nvidia f ex. The latest nvidia drivers supported on debian is 525, while the newest drivers are 545. So yeah, your distro is absolutely relevant. Never seen anyone recommend to use old hardware as a solution. Sounds very strange. About the 32 bit thing. I have not seen a single person that uses +20 year old 32-bit hardware say anything about this. But I DO SEE a lot of "buuuuuuuuuut why should it not remaaaaaaain in the kernel", those ppl are clearly not educated to understand what is actually being done. There is usually no problem making 32-bit stuff run on a 64-bit platform.
@@marcusjohansson668 late reply, but thanks for the insight I bought up the old hardware discussion because average unix users argue they're better than modern hardware for security (less firmware telemetry backdoors implemented by vendors due to limited tech at the time of productions), more moderate energy consumptions, repairability and environmental reasons (less e-waste)
The problem are not those consumer products. The real problems start if the computer is needed do run a CNC or stuff like that. Sometimes, there are Linux software around but only the installation of it is a nightmare in it self. At the end of the day we have no option but to go back to Windows.
CNC is just g-code. Almost every single interface on the industrial cnc-machines I have seen use linux as base for the control interface. The last Siemens machine I worked on was linux. No idea what you are talking about here...
That's weird about the TP-Link WiFi adapters as I have 5 of them in my collection, and they all seem to be plug, and play on Manjaro, and Solus. My biggest headache has been USB Bluetooth adapters with me finding Sabrent Bluetooth 4.1 USB 2.0 adapters to be the most stable.
If it's a TP-Link Archer using the REALTEK RTL88x2B chip. It's because starting in Kernel 5.18 there was an "experimental" driver included that some distros were activating out of the box. The good news it that starting in Kernel 6.5 the driver in no longer experimental and I'm happy to report that my TP-Link Archer T4U works flawlessly without a 3rd party driver.
Not my Older AMD Video Cards LOL I'm under the impression the new Kernel is supposed to have RetroActive AMD Legacy Drivers... I have an HP OfficeJet Pro 8710 All-in-One Lazer Printer my old man bought for his divorce paperwork and then gave to me lol It works quite well, Debian/Ubuntu flavors connect and work on the First Boot...
@dreaper5813 I try and RePurpose old PCs with the kiddos as retro boxes, I picked up a few AMD Radeon I believe R5 430 or R5 340 2Gb cards for a little Umph, I also got new a RedDragon 4gb (Horrible I know) These older cards on Debian (12) Systems, Mint or BATOCERA give me the Blinking Cursor and will not load Wyland/X... I have no luck ever getting the drivers installed.
Good video! I have found that many of the Distros I have tried do NOT recognize my WiFi adapters. Windows has no problem with TP USB adapters, but Linux does not recognize them. I'm dual booting with Kubuntu and the only way I can access WiFi is by using a specific "Linux USB WifI adapter. Somewhat weird, but is wasn't all that expensive and it works now.
I've generally had good experiences with Brother and Epson on Linux. 9/10 you can print and scan fine out of the box. Although using the manufacturer driver you'll get some more options and functionality. I will say in terms of features the Linux drivers/utilities generally have less than their Win/Mac counterparts. I generally like TP-Link hardware (like routers abd extenders) but haven't used any of their gear on Linux. I recently bought a new 2023 MSI Mini PC with a Gen13 Intel CPU, thunderbolt etc which I first installed WIn11 on. No issues getting everything installed and working but Win11 really sucks arse, so put Win10 on instead. Low and behold I had all sorts of driver issues with it (CPU, Thunderbolt, Monitors, Wifi driver issues - 14 all up). I installed the latest drivers from the manufacturer website and still no go. I ended up using Snappy Driver Installer to get it up and running. In comparison, I put Ultramarine (Fedora based) KDE on it and everything worked out of the box.
I have a tplink t2u nano wifi dongle and i did the research before and decided to buy it without linux support on the official site. I was pretty new to Linux, and had my hopes it would work. It didn't:) i tossed it in the closet and after a couple of months i was like, ok maybe i should it up i made it work. Ubuntu was the distribution somebody made a driver for but it works on everything i tried. Except arch distros if i am not mistaken. The only problem is that I am a distro hopper, so i basically have to do a driver install like i don't know, 100 or more times 😂
Just to mention: Most of Wi-Fi cards and USB dongles (regardless they are branding as TP-Link, Mercurys, etc) have chips from Realtek. Realtek releases their chips faster than drivers for Linux, so you must wait until is done. Intel, Ralink chips are working out of the box. Broadcom is not Linux-friendly, they have closed drivers for Linux, but not for BT chips. Mouse: Genius (Kye Systems) are the only not so good mice for Linux. (buggy chips).
I have two older Canon Printers, exactly the same model, one is for parts, just in case of hardware failure. Works out of the box on Linux. For Windows, I have to insert a CD to install the Drivers and then have to delete all the other nonsense that comes with it. Easy ink fill up. .. If I had to buy a new one, I would go with Epson, with the tank fill up.
Great video Tom... On the new HP Inkjets, if you don't install the app and registered the printer on there site and or in the printer setup they don't know anything about what you are using because the printer does not exist... Lol Also you don't get the pesky adds about YOU INK IS LOW Bye NOW! LOL Oh and I just plugged it into my Arch system and started scanning and printing with it on the network too...😁 LLAP 🖖
My laptop works with linux. Just joined with a dualboot but there are some problems. 1. Battery (probably auto cpu freq will fix it) 2. WebCam. (If I install libcamera, can it fix it?) 3. My laptop's trackpad has numpad but it does not work. Things that are better, 1. I own my system 2. Everything works. I have some issues with bluetooth on windows and wifi issues too. 3. Less heating. 4. I am not fighting my system. Yes, still a dualboot but I atleast used linux after not using it for 4 months. I dualbooted yesterday. I had another dualboot setup 4 months ago with parrot os which I removed after 4 days but manjaro kde is nice. It looks good. Very customisable and just works. Stable too. Just someone give me a solution to fix battery issue. I don't use camera and it is easy to fix it. I want to fix batterybattery issues. It only lasts like 5 hours with TH-cam videos and 9 hours of LibreOffice . Even at powersave setting and 25% brightness.
I find that Linux Mint Xfce is better for Laptops, track pad works, camera works right out of the box, with a longer battery span. Also watching TH-cam, turn off Ambient mode and have it at 720p or even 480p. Don't leave extra tabs open. All this will save on Battery.
@@STONE69_I have a good laptop. Watching a TH-cam video on windows 11 causes 7-12% cpu and 5-8% gpu @1080p60 . I just need some way to fix these issues. 1: Battery. 2: Camera.
I have Brother laser printers. It is funny. I can plug the printer into a computer with LM on it and it will find the driver and I will be printing away. A second computer with LM and the same kernel version will struggle and make me fight to get the driver installed, same goes for most Debian based distros. Manjaro or Arch has the easiest driver install for most Brother printers because they have a ton of drivers in the AUR. In Fedora I download an RPM driver from Brother and it works perfectly. It all depends on when I install the printer. If I am in a hurry with a deadline the printer is going to fail and take three days of troubleshooting to fix. If I have all the time in the world I will have no problems...lol.
"DO NOT USE SOME RANDOM DRIVER FROM THE INTERNET!" Also: "You can get the driver from the AUR". I get what you are saying, but you cant say the first and then tell ppl to get a driver from some random dude on AUR... LMAO
Adobe is not hardware, that is software. NVIDIA does work well in the last few years since they are releasing more code, ink levels...depends on the printer and the software you install.
I have an HP Envy 4516 for work without the new HP instant Ink nonsense, and the ink levels show up just fine with the HP app, and even if it did not the screen on the thing tells me the ink levels. Also at home I have a Brother Wireless Laser Printer, and on Manjaro, and Solus once I get the correct driver installed, my toner level shows up fine as well. Far as head cleaning a lot of printers like the HP all in ones can do it onboard without the need for external software. Far as Nvidia it's getting better, but it's gonna be a while before it's at the level of AMD. Lastly with Adobe as Tom said that's software, and they do have a more limited cloud version if you truly need it, and that looks to be the way they are going in the future full featured so it's platform agnostic, but only time will tell.
@@CommodoreFan64HP do have Linux supported stuffs my old printer is a hp one and it works with my setup my new canon one has a lot of issue. We need a printer company like framework.
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After a few comments about the Workforce ES-50 working without installing the drivers for some people (Debian 12, Linux Mint 21), I thought I might give it a try on some of my other computers.
Both Endeavour OS and Linux Mint 21.3 worked with the document scanner application on both distros without installing the drivers.
However, the scan always scans the full page (A4 size), requiring the crop function.
The drivers set the scan size to exactly what is scanned, so one might consider the driver install or not based on the need for auto-cropping.
Setting up and converting a thin client for my daughter to have a cheap, small, and energy efficient pc for homework and general computing i naturally chose linux as the os due to it's lightweight nature, specifically mint. While i waited for the internal m.2 wifi card to arrive, i was using my Netgear NA USB-3 widi adapter, and it worked out if the box. Dont remember the kernel version, but it's whatever the initial version with 21.3. And continued to work after connecting to the update service and getting the latest kernel of that generation. Even works with the highest gen kernel shown on the kernel selection screen in the update tool. So yeah, some USB wifi adapters just work.
@0:33 If you don't need the latest and greatest "planned obsolescence" printer from HP because of the fancy look and feel, an old Office Jet without spy technology will likely work like a charm with aftermarket ink cartridges. ☺
For sure, as I have an HP Envy 4516 that does print, scan, copy, wireless, and it works great on Linux as long as you can find a reliable source of Ink as some dubious sellers will refill the cartridges where the chips are not reset, it's a fake chip, or a damaged chip. which has happened to me a few times, also if you don't have color ink some HP's won't even print in grayscale B/W so I keep a legit color ink tank in mine with just enough ink the printer shuts up, and only print in B/W as it's all I need, and far cheaper.
Brother printers have always worked well for me in Linux (i'm using it network via ipp). Most Linux distros pick it up automatically.
I happen to have the same scanner and was surprised it worked without installing drivers on Debian 12, i was even disconnected from internet at that moment.
Interesting...Maybe I will try this on my Mint 21.3 which has the new kernel.
I have two HP products: the professional Pro 400 printer LaserJet, and the 24 inch HP monitor - both work GREAT!
The answer mainly comes down to what kernel version your distro uses.
True
I have not used Epsin in a while so things may have changed. But you used to be able to use most of their scanner drivers in different models because they didn't change the brain too often, except for some functionalities. So I used to just go through these scanners and tryed them drivers under Linux one by one until I got one that's mostly worked even if it wasn't supported Scanner.
I have a thinkpad P-50 awesome machine but there isn't a driver anywhere for the fingerprint reader. Even the edge iso doesnt support it . This particular fingerprint reader is on various machines with the same problems running linux. Works flawlessly on winblows just not on linux
People keeps pointing out either "it depends on what distro and kernel you use" and "just use old hardwares bro", while the mainline developers already dropping support for many not-even-that-old hardwares recently
I know, it's already noticeable when 32-bit platform were deprecated from many distributions, but still...
Also in regard of non-free drivers, i don't really have issues with it since i'm not a free software fundamentalist aside some of it being buggy or slow downs the system for no reason (rumors from forums keep saying it strange behavior of said drivers telemetries trying to track it's users but i can't confrim further)
Ofc it depends on the distro.
Lets take debian and nvidia f ex.
The latest nvidia drivers supported on debian is 525, while the newest drivers are 545. So yeah, your distro is absolutely relevant.
Never seen anyone recommend to use old hardware as a solution. Sounds very strange.
About the 32 bit thing. I have not seen a single person that uses +20 year old 32-bit hardware say anything about this. But I DO SEE a lot of "buuuuuuuuuut why should it not remaaaaaaain in the kernel", those ppl are clearly not educated to understand what is actually being done.
There is usually no problem making 32-bit stuff run on a 64-bit platform.
@@marcusjohansson668 late reply, but thanks for the insight
I bought up the old hardware discussion because average unix users argue they're better than modern hardware for security (less firmware telemetry backdoors implemented by vendors due to limited tech at the time of productions), more moderate energy consumptions, repairability and environmental reasons (less e-waste)
The problem are not those consumer products. The real problems start if the computer is needed do run a CNC or stuff like that. Sometimes, there are Linux software around but only the installation of it is a nightmare in it self. At the end of the day we have no option but to go back to Windows.
CNC is just g-code.
Almost every single interface on the industrial cnc-machines I have seen use linux as base for the control interface.
The last Siemens machine I worked on was linux.
No idea what you are talking about here...
Just learned about this Simics and FPGAs. They have SOCs that are pretty much simulators on a chip so you only code embedded systems one time.
Please give me. i need documention
Not sure how this is relevant to the video.
But yeah, FPGA:s are cool af. Expensive though.
That's weird about the TP-Link WiFi adapters as I have 5 of them in my collection, and they all seem to be plug, and play on Manjaro, and Solus. My biggest headache has been USB Bluetooth adapters with me finding Sabrent Bluetooth 4.1 USB 2.0 adapters to be the most stable.
If it's a TP-Link Archer using the REALTEK RTL88x2B chip. It's because starting in Kernel 5.18 there was an "experimental" driver included that some distros were activating out of the box. The good news it that starting in Kernel 6.5 the driver in no longer experimental and I'm happy to report that my TP-Link Archer T4U works flawlessly without a 3rd party driver.
I have Linux mint 21 and it works with Minolta page pro I think it's a 1250 laser printer maybe 10 yrs old.
Not my Older AMD Video Cards LOL
I'm under the impression the new Kernel is supposed to have RetroActive AMD Legacy Drivers...
I have an HP OfficeJet Pro 8710 All-in-One Lazer Printer my old man bought for his divorce paperwork and then gave to me lol
It works quite well, Debian/Ubuntu flavors connect and work on the First Boot...
@dreaper5813 I try and RePurpose old PCs with the kiddos as retro boxes, I picked up a few AMD Radeon I believe R5 430 or R5 340 2Gb cards for a little Umph, I also got new a RedDragon 4gb (Horrible I know)
These older cards on Debian (12) Systems, Mint or BATOCERA give me the Blinking Cursor and will not load Wyland/X... I have no luck ever getting the drivers installed.
Good video! I have found that many of the Distros I have tried do NOT recognize my WiFi adapters. Windows has no problem with TP USB adapters, but Linux does not recognize them.
I'm dual booting with Kubuntu and the only way I can access WiFi is by using a specific "Linux USB WifI adapter. Somewhat weird, but is wasn't all that expensive and it works now.
I love how linux still supports PS3 controllers and ancient joysticks while windows just can't run the drivers because they are 32bit.
I've generally had good experiences with Brother and Epson on Linux. 9/10 you can print and scan fine out of the box. Although using the manufacturer driver you'll get some more options and functionality. I will say in terms of features the Linux drivers/utilities generally have less than their Win/Mac counterparts. I generally like TP-Link hardware (like routers abd extenders) but haven't used any of their gear on Linux.
I recently bought a new 2023 MSI Mini PC with a Gen13 Intel CPU, thunderbolt etc which I first installed WIn11 on. No issues getting everything installed and working but Win11 really sucks arse, so put Win10 on instead. Low and behold I had all sorts of driver issues with it (CPU, Thunderbolt, Monitors, Wifi driver issues - 14 all up). I installed the latest drivers from the manufacturer website and still no go. I ended up using Snappy Driver Installer to get it up and running.
In comparison, I put Ultramarine (Fedora based) KDE on it and everything worked out of the box.
I have a tplink t2u nano wifi dongle and i did the research before and decided to buy it without linux support on the official site. I was pretty new to Linux, and had my hopes it would work. It didn't:) i tossed it in the closet and after a couple of months i was like, ok maybe i should it up i made it work. Ubuntu was the distribution somebody made a driver for but it works on everything i tried. Except arch distros if i am not mistaken. The only problem is that I am a distro hopper, so i basically have to do a driver install like i don't know, 100 or more times 😂
Just to mention: Most of Wi-Fi cards and USB dongles (regardless they are branding as TP-Link, Mercurys, etc) have chips from Realtek. Realtek releases their chips faster than drivers for Linux, so you must wait until is done. Intel, Ralink chips are working out of the box. Broadcom is not Linux-friendly, they have closed drivers for Linux, but not for BT chips.
Mouse: Genius (Kye Systems) are the only not so good mice for Linux. (buggy chips).
8:18 ahem... GDebi
I have two older Canon Printers, exactly the same model, one is for parts, just in case of hardware failure. Works out of the box on Linux. For Windows, I have to insert a CD to install the Drivers and then have to delete all the other nonsense that comes with it. Easy ink fill up. .. If I had to buy a new one, I would go with Epson, with the tank fill up.
On the other hand, using my Corsair, RGB, kn95, gaming keyboard - does NOT work completely on Linux.
It's not just an issue with printers. have an AverMedia H837 which has no Linux drivers... Depressing...
My Kodak printer worked in Linux Mint without a hitch - no need to look for any drivers!
I got a usb wifi dongle a while back and could not get it to work so I returned it.
did anyone find a way to install brother drivers for a non laser printer on a raspberry pi /arm chip?
HP = HUGE PILE of you fill in the rest Brothers is my go to
Great video Tom... On the new HP Inkjets, if you don't install the app and registered the printer on there site and or in the printer setup they don't know anything about what you are using because the printer does not exist... Lol Also you don't get the pesky adds about YOU INK IS LOW Bye NOW! LOL
Oh and I just plugged it into my Arch system and started scanning and printing with it on the network too...😁
LLAP 🖖
My laptop works with linux. Just joined with a dualboot but there are some problems.
1. Battery (probably auto cpu freq will fix it)
2. WebCam. (If I install libcamera, can it fix it?)
3. My laptop's trackpad has numpad but it does not work.
Things that are better,
1. I own my system
2. Everything works. I have some issues with bluetooth on windows and wifi issues too.
3. Less heating.
4. I am not fighting my system.
Yes, still a dualboot but I atleast used linux after not using it for 4 months. I dualbooted yesterday. I had another dualboot setup 4 months ago with parrot os which I removed after 4 days but manjaro kde is nice. It looks good. Very customisable and just works. Stable too.
Just someone give me a solution to fix battery issue. I don't use camera and it is easy to fix it. I want to fix batterybattery issues. It only lasts like 5 hours with TH-cam videos and 9 hours of LibreOffice . Even at powersave setting and 25% brightness.
I find that Linux Mint Xfce is better for Laptops, track pad works, camera works right out of the box, with a longer battery span. Also watching TH-cam, turn off Ambient mode and have it at 720p or even 480p. Don't leave extra tabs open. All this will save on Battery.
@@STONE69_I have a good laptop. Watching a TH-cam video on windows 11 causes 7-12% cpu and 5-8% gpu @1080p60 . I just need some way to fix these issues.
1: Battery.
2: Camera.
@@STONE69_ something arch based with kde is required.
l found bluetooth devices can be unreliable on linux, some devices connect, phones are ok, but my speakers cant
Yahh i have issue with my phone bluetooth.kde connect doesn't want to connect to my phone for some reason some time it does
I have Brother laser printers. It is funny. I can plug the printer into a computer with LM on it and it will find the driver and I will be printing away. A second computer with LM and the same kernel version will struggle and make me fight to get the driver installed, same goes for most Debian based distros. Manjaro or Arch has the easiest driver install for most Brother printers because they have a ton of drivers in the AUR. In Fedora I download an RPM driver from Brother and it works perfectly. It all depends on when I install the printer. If I am in a hurry with a deadline the printer is going to fail and take three days of troubleshooting to fix. If I have all the time in the world I will have no problems...lol.
"DO NOT USE SOME RANDOM DRIVER FROM THE INTERNET!"
Also:
"You can get the driver from the AUR".
I get what you are saying, but you cant say the first and then tell ppl to get a driver from some random dude on AUR...
LMAO
Hardware??? Well printer head cleaning dose not work ink levels, nvidia gpu, Adobe etc
Adobe is not hardware, that is software. NVIDIA does work well in the last few years since they are releasing more code, ink levels...depends on the printer and the software you install.
@@SwitchedtoLinuxlove your videos
I have an HP Envy 4516 for work without the new HP instant Ink nonsense, and the ink levels show up just fine with the HP app, and even if it did not the screen on the thing tells me the ink levels. Also at home I have a Brother Wireless Laser Printer, and on Manjaro, and Solus once I get the correct driver installed, my toner level shows up fine as well. Far as head cleaning a lot of printers like the HP all in ones can do it onboard without the need for external software. Far as Nvidia it's getting better, but it's gonna be a while before it's at the level of AMD. Lastly with Adobe as Tom said that's software, and they do have a more limited cloud version if you truly need it, and that looks to be the way they are going in the future full featured so it's platform agnostic, but only time will tell.
@@CommodoreFan64HP do have Linux supported stuffs my old printer is a hp one and it works with my setup my new canon one has a lot of issue. We need a printer company like framework.
@@Djmonty92 Bro before you go out and buy hardware for Linux, (physical hardware) do a little research to save time and aggravation.