IMO The AT guns should be: Low BR Soviets: 45mm M1942 High BR Soviets: 76mm ZiS-3 Low BR Allies: 57mm M1 High BR Allies: 17pdr Low BR: Germans: 50mm Pak-38 High BR Germans: 75mm Pak-40 Low BR Japan: 47mm Type 1 High BR Japan: Captured 17pdr Also maybe Event Heavy AT Guns 100mm BS-4 for the soviets and 88mm Pak-43 for germany.
Ah yes because zis3/pak40 are so adequate against is2/tiger 2s We need br5 guns like bs3 and pak43 Germany and ussr have an at gun for each br Br1 37mm/45mm Br2 50mm/57mm Br3 75mm/76mm Br4 88mm/85mm Br5 88mm long/100mm
Would be nice for AA to get the same treatment maybe MG nests at least for low BR. Faction specific stuff would be nice like a mortar squad 2 for more exotic indirect fire weapons "cough" Type 98 mortar.
@@terrynixon2758 They can implement static defend guns on the Map, just like the MG42 or Maxim machineguns. There are already 88s on the map but just comestic.
And I guess they could, SHOULD have tier 5 AT guns, DA BIG GUNS. Ya know, Flak 88s Maybe the 90mm as a field gun (I'm sure it exists, but id have to check), not sure what the Russians would have for a High Caliber AT gun. Engineers and AT squad exclusives. Speaking of stuff for Engineers, Would be neat if they could build Field Artillery as well, like the 105 Pack Howitzer for example, it would also give Mortor teams something special they can build too.
@@spinosaurusiii7027 you can also think about the en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-inch_gun_M5 Pak43 for Germans For sure Italians also has thier 90 mm AT guns Like... It's not that hard to find it darkflow
@@jaywerner8415 Yeah the 85 on the T-34/85, the 90mm on the Jackson/Pershing, and of course the 88, were all originally AA guns, so they could just give us those three.
Soviet have the BS-3 100mm field gun, they have it even mounted in the SU-100 SPG tank destroyer, the Germans could have their Flak 38 100mm but i'm pretty sure the Flak 36 or even the Pak43 is enough to destroy everything that ressemble as a huge can of metal.
Imo, smt that would be very cool is to add/allow halftracks/trucks to be able to build a massive anti-tank weapon and it being able to be towes by those trucks. Stuff like the 8.8cm pak-43, the 120 D-5T, the 36 pounder, etx
It seems like these more powerful AT guns are also a decent solution for grey-zone tanks, so I don't understand why the new guerilla squad needed to be added to the game.
Most times I've tried using an AT gun on a grey zone tank ended poorly and simply increased the awareness of the tank. Simply put, the more options a team has to deal with them, the better.
The AT guns lose effectiveness at range, not to mention how it'll be hard to pen the king tiger and panther from close range. The Guerrilla squad will be easily able to deal with them from up close with the TNT charges. The Grey zone tanks are a big issue and some pilots are trash and can't hit their bombs or rockets so 2 easy to get and use solutions will help a lot
Giving allies the 17pounder while leaving the Axis with the PAK 40 is bullshit. The Flak 88 and or its variants are much more comparable to the 17 pounders
The pak 40 is only slightly worse than the 17 pdr and more than capable of dealing with allied and Soviet tanks. Not to mention the pak 40 has a much nicer high explosive round
Bro you got the point, now i need my 88 mm flak gun with time fuse against aircraft. And i dont need to move it by some kind of truck, i just can build it in the spot with me engeneer from fings which are in his back pack, But bro seriously you got a point pak 40 is bullshit
@@UčetTH-cam-c4b just because it has a little more pen doesn't make it better, the pak 40 one hits pretty much everything while the 17 pounder will require you to aim for ammo or else you take out a couple crew and not kill what you're shooting at
They should have provided big guns like the 128 mm PaK 44 L/55 as AT guns, which were later equipped on the Jagdtiger heavy German tank destroyer. This AT gun was highly capable of penetrating Allied tanks from greater distances.
4:52 in game, The IS-2 1944 doesn"t have any additional track armor, maybe that's why PaK40 could kill IS-2 1944 pretty easily. But Here, e can see that IS-2 1944 have that Track armor Maybe that's why PaK40 Couldn't kill it easily
I think they should add BR 1 Russian m1930 37mm German pak 36(maybe with stielgranate 41) USA 37 mm M3 Japanese 37mm Type 94 (campaign moscow or some pacific maps) BR 2-3 Russian 45mm 53-k German pak 38(maybe french captured pak97/38) Usa 57mm M1 Japanese 47mm Type 1(campaign moscow stalingrad tunisia and pacific maybe normandy) BR 4 Russian 57 or 76 mm Zis 2-3 cannons German Pak 40 Usa 76mm QF Pounder Japanese 75mm At gun type 5 (campaign stalingrad berlin and some pacific maps normandy) BR 5 Russian bs 3 100m gun German Pak 43 88mm Usa 90mm AT gun t9 Japanese 100mm Gun (campaign berlin normandy and some pacific maps) I think they'll add more maps for pacific or bring back the old campaign system
The 17pdr should do everything as western aillie. Adding a m5 76mm US at gun might be great, the it can penetrate the big cats at mid distance. But not at further distance. The pak43 might as well be a bit too op because the German engineer + pak43 is too op. But we don’t need a pak43 when we have tiger 2. Bs3 100m as Soviet is a bit too much with engineers with op guns. Is2 is good enough to do the job. You just can’t miss any shots with this tank because has a long barrel artillery gun on the tank where it takes ages to reload. The game does need to add more at guns like 75mm Japanese gun and zis 2 57mm Soviet. I think why pak is part of Japan is because balancing the gameplay and the 75mm at gun for Japan is the same gun as chinu where it can struggle against Sherman. While the pak40 can easily penetrate t34, Sherman and can penetrate a panther.
@@majorbanana6403 APCBC is Armour-Piercing, Capped, Ballistic Capped so no HE filler (this type of ammo was used by UK), but yaa adding APDS for 17pdr will be cool, same for 57mm M1 (6pdr)
It seems to be, You will be able to build Pak38, M1 57mm, Soviet's 37mm Japan 47mm. HIgher tier battle will get the Pak40 for the axis, 17pdr for the allies.
I wonder what high tier anti-tank gun that the Japanese will get? Looks like I will have to stay tuned. I also believe that Japan should get the Type 91 MG for Tier 4. The Type 91 MG is the tank version of the Type 11 LMG with a 50 round hopper magazine, a telescopic sight, and without the ugly side bent buttstock at the end of the weapon. It can be another great addition for the Japanese at Tier 4 until you can unlock the Type 100 MG at high tier.
antitank guns gun shield lover position pak and foliace shield 3,7 cm 35/38 , 38 gun , 8,8 cm flack 18 . 7.5 infranty gun 1941-43 afrika ,stalingrad map , pak 40 afrika tunisia 1943 no stalingrad , towed by the 3 -tonne sd. kfz . 11 tractor .
@@Keyboard_Thoughts zis-3 is the same gun as used on the rank 2 SU-76. Soviets should get the ZIS-2 57mm with 145mm PEN or the BS-3 100mm which has 200mm+ PEN similar gun as on the su-100
@@anxathien478 kv1s aren't even hard to kill either just shoot the upper front plate or turret cheeks, even the long 50 mm on the Panzer 3 and Puma can pen that, there's also the Panzer 3 with heat shells that is very good at killing heavier tanks
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName I am refering to the story that a singular Kv1 stopped a bunch of short-barreled PzIIIs, PzIVs and Pz38ts. I don't think you use Pumas and PzIIIs to kill KVs in this game, because you would be doing your team a big disservice. Oh and the guerilla update dropped ! You can use better tanks if you haven't unlocked it yet now.
@@anxathien478 I'm maxed out in the game but occasionally to br 2 which occasionally has to fight br 3. Half of the tank players in Enlisted are absolute garbage, I've had no issues killing kv1 and t34s with br 2 tanks
Hi guys can somebody tell me, How can Ivan the ingeneer build the 17 pdr from nothing in few seconds. Ok guys this game is far from reality but how can Ivan just build that heavy gun which in reality must be moved by truck from fings which he had in his backpack, Guys seriously this is not funny any more
Guys I'm pretty sure that gun weighs more than 17 pounds
Correct, the SHELL weighs 17 pounds.
@@jaywerner8415 T'was a joke
I'm not from the UK but I think it costs more than 17 pounds
nah its just a little heavier, maybe 20 pounds
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName lmao
IMO The AT guns should be:
Low BR Soviets: 45mm M1942
High BR Soviets: 76mm ZiS-3
Low BR Allies: 57mm M1
High BR Allies: 17pdr
Low BR: Germans: 50mm Pak-38
High BR Germans: 75mm Pak-40
Low BR Japan: 47mm Type 1
High BR Japan: Captured 17pdr
Also maybe Event Heavy AT Guns 100mm BS-4 for the soviets and 88mm Pak-43 for germany.
In game files we have QF 2-pounder, German 3,7 cm PaK 36 and USSR 37 mm anti-tank gun M1930.
Japan had their own 75mm Anti tank guns, which would be the same gun type you see mounted on the Ho-Ni series or the Chi-Nu.
for BRV only,
soviets can get 100mm BS3 or 85MM D48
USA can get 90mm T1
Germans can get 88mm PaK43
Japanese can get 10cm type 5
Ah yes because zis3/pak40 are so adequate against is2/tiger 2s
We need br5 guns like bs3 and pak43
Germany and ussr have an at gun for each br
Br1 37mm/45mm
Br2 50mm/57mm
Br3 75mm/76mm
Br4 88mm/85mm
Br5 88mm long/100mm
@@luciusartorius3437
That would be a pretty balanced setup
Would be nice for AA to get the same treatment maybe MG nests at least for low BR.
Faction specific stuff would be nice like a mortar squad 2 for more exotic indirect fire weapons "cough" Type 98 mortar.
Shame that they don't want to put the 88 flak guns in even though the models are
Would suck, can't move it
@@terrynixon2758 They can implement static defend guns on the Map, just like the MG42 or Maxim machineguns. There are already 88s on the map but just comestic.
Don't be ridiculous
@@macobuzi or add the Pak 43. An 88 that can move.
Germany BRV really needs the PAK-43 but that’s literally the gun of a Tiger II
no the Pak 40 is more than good enough
Don't be ridiculous
Agree the germans should also get a mg42 100 round belt
we need a Gustav rail gun premium squad
Istg if the USSR didnt get the 76mm ZiS-3 and 100mm D-44 for AT Gun cause it makes no sense for USSR to use 75mm PaK 40
One of the helper said the Soviet and japanese high BR AT guns will charge but they need to get the models for them
And I guess they could, SHOULD have tier 5 AT guns, DA BIG GUNS. Ya know, Flak 88s Maybe the 90mm as a field gun (I'm sure it exists, but id have to check), not sure what the Russians would have for a High Caliber AT gun. Engineers and AT squad exclusives. Speaking of stuff for Engineers, Would be neat if they could build Field Artillery as well, like the 105 Pack Howitzer for example, it would also give Mortor teams something special they can build too.
Soviets could get th 85mm AA (the allies the 90mm AA), or for the Soviets then the 85, 100, or 122mm field guns
@@spinosaurusiii7027 you can also think about the en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-inch_gun_M5
Pak43 for Germans
For sure Italians also has thier 90 mm AT guns
Like... It's not that hard to find it darkflow
@@spinosaurusiii7027 Oh yeah.... Cus the T 34-85. That makes sense.
@@jaywerner8415 Yeah the 85 on the T-34/85, the 90mm on the Jackson/Pershing, and of course the 88, were all originally AA guns, so they could just give us those three.
Soviet have the BS-3 100mm field gun, they have it even mounted in the SU-100 SPG tank destroyer, the Germans could have their Flak 38 100mm but i'm pretty sure the Flak 36 or even the Pak43 is enough to destroy everything that ressemble as a huge can of metal.
The high tire Ally's gun is so big might be a little hard to squiz it in a tight spot or camo
They should add those for engineers,and add 88 mm 122 90mm and 105 mm for at squads😅
Wouldn't the 105 pack howitzer be "field artillery"?
It would have been nice if they got either "smaller" howitzers or actually better antytank guns
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-inch_gun_M5
I think we should have at guns for engineers and some others ones for at squad,to have a unique ability
Imagine building a 105 mm at canon with your japanese at squads engineer
@@dark-over8759 meanwhile Radiooperator 2
QF 17-pounder my beloved
I remember when the 17 pounder was first added like two years ago, but they removed it for some reason. Glad to see they put it back!
Imo, smt that would be very cool is to add/allow halftracks/trucks to be able to build a massive anti-tank weapon and it being able to be towes by those trucks. Stuff like the 8.8cm pak-43, the 120 D-5T, the 36 pounder, etx
Why does darkflow still basically refuse to give western allies APHE why only solid shot.
Meanwhile, my teammates:
What is an AT Gun?
It seems like these more powerful AT guns are also a decent solution for grey-zone tanks, so I don't understand why the new guerilla squad needed to be added to the game.
Ithaca, that’s why
Most times I've tried using an AT gun on a grey zone tank ended poorly and simply increased the awareness of the tank. Simply put, the more options a team has to deal with them, the better.
@@mattomondo216 planes are better
The AT guns lose effectiveness at range, not to mention how it'll be hard to pen the king tiger and panther from close range. The Guerrilla squad will be easily able to deal with them from up close with the TNT charges. The Grey zone tanks are a big issue and some pilots are trash and can't hit their bombs or rockets so 2 easy to get and use solutions will help a lot
Greyzone tanks get kamikazed
This will Really Helps Preventing Greyzoning. I love this change.
Giving allies the 17pounder while leaving the Axis with the PAK 40 is bullshit. The Flak 88 and or its variants are much more comparable to the 17 pounders
The pak 40 is only slightly worse than the 17 pdr and more than capable of dealing with allied and Soviet tanks. Not to mention the pak 40 has a much nicer high explosive round
Bro you got the point, now i need my 88 mm flak gun with time fuse against aircraft. And i dont need to move it by some kind of truck, i just can build it in the spot with me engeneer from fings which are in his back pack,
But bro seriously you got a point pak 40 is bullshit
@@UčetTH-cam-c4bIf you guys are having issues with the pak 40 that's a skill issue, it has more than enough pen to deal with most tanks easily
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName not an issues but if Russian players can get 17 pdr why we cant get even great Germany stuff
@@UčetTH-cam-c4b just because it has a little more pen doesn't make it better, the pak 40 one hits pretty much everything while the 17 pounder will require you to aim for ammo or else you take out a couple crew and not kill what you're shooting at
Britain and Commonwealth TEC tree needed
Seems like the Anti-tank update...AT Guns, Replacement tanks to fight other tanks, sneaky guerrillas with a ton of TNT
seems like they are trying to balence things out before allowing Russia vs Japan
Aka the shut the US crybabies up on reddit update
They should have provided big guns like the 128 mm PaK 44 L/55 as AT guns, which were later equipped on the Jagdtiger heavy German tank destroyer. This AT gun was highly capable of penetrating Allied tanks from greater distances.
17 pounder is way better than PAK 40
It's so much bigger you can't build it inside buildings
It have more pen but it have that shitty AP round
Well when you scale it against German armor and it’s later tanks then it seems pretty even to me
4:52 in game, The IS-2 1944 doesn"t have any additional track armor, maybe that's why PaK40 could kill IS-2 1944 pretty easily. But Here, e can see that IS-2 1944 have that Track armor Maybe that's why PaK40 Couldn't kill it easily
I wanna see field artillery like the 105 mm M4 or the flak 36 and M10t etc
I don’t understand why Japan has a Pak 40, they should have the type 88 75mm darkflow what are you doing
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more lake Type 90 field gun for Tier III and Type 5 AT variant for BR IV
I think they should add
BR 1 Russian m1930 37mm German pak 36(maybe with stielgranate 41) USA 37 mm M3 Japanese 37mm Type 94 (campaign moscow or some pacific maps)
BR 2-3 Russian 45mm 53-k German pak 38(maybe french captured pak97/38) Usa 57mm M1 Japanese 47mm Type 1(campaign moscow stalingrad tunisia and pacific maybe normandy)
BR 4 Russian 57 or 76 mm Zis 2-3 cannons German Pak 40 Usa 76mm QF Pounder Japanese 75mm At gun type 5 (campaign stalingrad berlin and some pacific maps normandy)
BR 5 Russian bs 3 100m gun German Pak 43 88mm Usa 90mm AT gun t9 Japanese 100mm Gun (campaign berlin normandy and some pacific maps)
I think they'll add more maps for pacific or bring back the old campaign system
Try ground bounce to hit bottom. Did that once, haven't recreated yet.
The at squad could get a vehicle which tows the AT gun
or simply be able to attach then to map spawned vehicles
The 17pdr should do everything as western aillie. Adding a m5 76mm US at gun might be great, the it can penetrate the big cats at mid distance. But not at further distance. The pak43 might as well be a bit too op because the German engineer + pak43 is too op. But we don’t need a pak43 when we have tiger 2.
Bs3 100m as Soviet is a bit too much with engineers with op guns. Is2 is good enough to do the job. You just can’t miss any shots with this tank because has a long barrel artillery gun on the tank where it takes ages to reload.
The game does need to add more at guns like 75mm Japanese gun and zis 2 57mm Soviet.
I think why pak is part of Japan is because balancing the gameplay and the 75mm at gun for Japan is the same gun as chinu where it can struggle against Sherman. While the pak40 can easily penetrate t34, Sherman and can penetrate a panther.
This will be interesting if i ever play high tier. lol
i've not got past tier 3 yet
Would love to see the massive Pak 43 ! Impraticable but so cool
Bruh why dont they just add the APCBC for the 17 pounder giving us only AP shot for high br is ass
Cus British Gun I guess?
@@jaywerner8415except the 17dprs best round is an apcbc. Shot mk8 is available for all versions of the 17pdr and 77mm in war thunder.
British didn’t really use APCBC because of supply issues etc, AP is still good enough, Firefly gets APDS tho
@@majorbanana6403 APCBC is Armour-Piercing, Capped, Ballistic Capped so no HE filler (this type of ammo was used by UK), but yaa adding APDS for 17pdr will be cool, same for 57mm M1 (6pdr)
@@ja_exe there’s some APCBC with HE filler like the Sherman and Panzer IVs
have they fixed so you can choose the maps you wanna play?
This is nice and all, but where is the super pershing? Is it safe????
I was hoping they would add the PAK-43 or flak 88
is this automaticly you will get Anti tank according to BR matchmaking when you use enginer?
It seems to be, You will be able to build Pak38, M1 57mm, Soviet's 37mm Japan 47mm. HIgher tier battle will get the Pak40 for the axis, 17pdr for the allies.
Give the soviets the famous ZIS
gotta say being colorblind makes it more realistic lol!
Did they change it back how it was or no?
What if DF added an 88mm Pak to Enlisted? Lol that would just be utterly broken
What key do you press to move the gun? I always forget
You have to add to the settings, change vehicle seat or something...
I wonder what high tier anti-tank gun that the Japanese will get? Looks like I will have to stay tuned. I also believe that Japan should get the Type 91 MG for Tier 4. The Type 91 MG is the tank version of the Type 11 LMG with a 50 round hopper magazine, a telescopic sight, and without the ugly side bent buttstock at the end of the weapon. It can be another great addition for the Japanese at Tier 4 until you can unlock the Type 100 MG at high tier.
Maybe they should switch AT guns to AT Squads and instead give normal engeniers semi-auto AT rifles like Solothurn and Lakhti
More reasons to play with 3 engineer squads...
Can you make video about what premium squads buy
Welcome back, here's a pak.
When you post i make 10 kils in enlisted
antitank guns gun shield lover position pak and foliace shield 3,7 cm 35/38 , 38 gun , 8,8 cm flack 18 . 7.5 infranty gun 1941-43 afrika ,stalingrad map , pak 40 afrika tunisia 1943 no stalingrad , towed by the 3 -tonne sd. kfz . 11 tractor .
Leslie Colon?
We need the Tsar tank added. It's not a choice, Tsar tank does not negotiate.
It is Pathetic how long this took to add
And how it's even now lazily made cuz still no Russian specific AT cannon they still going to have the pak40
@@yamatokurusaki5790 yeah that is unfortunate
@@dolfanyt4757 indeed
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.8_cm_Raketenwerfer_43
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-inch_gun_M5
Theese would have been cool
>pen through the side
sorry but every King Tiger is gonna camp the grey zone.
And the soviéts AT gun for high tier ?
Logically should be 76mm zis 3 but instead they got pak40
@@Keyboard_Thoughts zis-3 is the same gun as used on the rank 2 SU-76.
Soviets should get the ZIS-2 57mm with 145mm PEN or the BS-3 100mm which has 200mm+ PEN similar gun as on the su-100
thats good to see though because it will be helpful in battles 👍👍👍👍
feel like the 17 pounder is still goanna be worse then a pack 40 17 pounder is huge and easy to see tbh I think it will be easy to see in my panther
PaK 41 when? Pak 43 when?
Pak-41 got produced in really small number but with Pak 43(/41) I agree, but for now other countries need they AT guns more
@@ja_exe Pak-41 could be a premium squad if its a rare weapon.
Enlisted has lots of more rare weapons as premium squads.
@@kongoubongo1114 Fair enough, but I think for now we need more AT guns for other nations.
I was really looking forward for the Pak43! The Pak38 is a huge letdown.
Germany already had a high tier anti tank gun (the pak 40) which is perfectly capable of killing most tanks without an issue
They can add more AT guns but no beautiful Hetzer 🥺no japanese flamethrower tank no Russian Stuart. Just disappointing.
Indeed tbh they could have added so much and yet we get so little not even more at guns specific to the countries
I want an 88
Please no the pak40 already struggle to fight the downtiered KV1. The pak38 wont do shit against it.
That's a skill issue
It is how Kv-1 was supposed to be.
@@anxathien478 kv1s aren't even hard to kill either just shoot the upper front plate or turret cheeks, even the long 50 mm on the Panzer 3 and Puma can pen that, there's also the Panzer 3 with heat shells that is very good at killing heavier tanks
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName I am refering to the story that a singular Kv1 stopped a bunch of short-barreled PzIIIs, PzIVs and Pz38ts.
I don't think you use Pumas and PzIIIs to kill KVs in this game, because you would be doing your team a big disservice. Oh and the guerilla update dropped ! You can use better tanks if you haven't unlocked it yet now.
@@anxathien478 I'm maxed out in the game but occasionally to br 2 which occasionally has to fight br 3. Half of the tank players in Enlisted are absolute garbage, I've had no issues killing kv1 and t34s with br 2 tanks
Your mix is peaking. You need a limiter to back off your gain, it's what is distorting your sound. You have a very treble'y voice, makes sense.
poggers
Why has the tanks and AT guns pen indicator? If I use regular Bazooka and Panzerfaust I dont have.... Of course, support the braindead gameplay....
Vehicles have reticle. You are not a vehicle.
@@anxathien478 Congratulations on the interpretation of the text...
Hi guys can somebody tell me, How can Ivan the ingeneer build the 17 pdr from nothing in few seconds.
Ok guys this game is far from reality but how can Ivan just build that heavy gun which in reality must be moved by truck from fings which he had in his backpack,
Guys seriously this is not funny any more
*looks at BR5 battles*
Sure. Reality.
They might nerf the build time.
If you want to talk about realistic logistics, then explain rally beacon and trucks.
HLL>Enlisted