Important note: UTQG or Treadwear rating aren’t to be cross compared between brands. They are only really useful to compare wear within the same brand of tire.
Hearing you calling your friend driving like a grandpa with a 258 Wh/mi, while I'm over here with an avg of low 200-220 Wh/mi. after 14k miles driven. Man I feel old lol. Thanks for the video! I'm looking to get new tires sometime early next year. Will definitely reference this video when the time come
I think the best tires for any car and not just Tesla are the ones you get best grip and make your ride safer. Range and noise are just secondary things to look at. I always kept that mentality for decades, with my Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo, then each of my Lexus IS350 that I leased for years, and now, for my Tesla Model 3 Performance. With my Tesla, I opted to sell the stock wheels and tires as soon I got the car (2022 model) and I got the T Sportline Arachnid Package, which are staggered 20"x8.5" front and 20"x10" rear with the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Performance Summer tires without the noise cancelation inserts (no need for winter tires, I live in sunny South Florida). Grip is very good, performance is just excellent. How long will they last? As long as they need to last. Do they make noise? Not really, I think they are just fine, besides, I like to either listen to music nice and loud, or listen to my audio books, so I don't really care about a bit of noise. Range? Yes, I recharge when I need to recharge, don't go crazy looking for extra 10 miles, that is just stupid. Cheers.
I like Michelin tires-quality, performance. They have new models Pilot Sport 5, Pilot Sport EV, Primacy 4+. However I could not find them fort my model X or S in SoCal. I've been checking on supplies for as long time. Costco only had front PS EV in stock. Frustrating.
Thanks they carry these at my local Costco and I was able to get 26,000 out of my original Michelin MXM4’s but they cost more than these do and I think these will last longer. Great video!
For Nordic countries, these are my personal opinions on noise/comfort/grip in dry/wet/snow & ice/ range. Where I put comfort as a priority. Summer tires : Goodyear Efficientgrip Performance 2 = 225/50-18 Winter tires: Goodyear Ultragrip Ice 2 = 225/50-18.
I ended up with Continental Pure Contacts. Had a great deal with buy three one free and a 150.00 rebate!! Couldn’t beat it with lifetime alignment and balance and rotation. Wearing great!
My M3 came with the Michelin Pilot Sport tyres. After 41,000 kms (25,000 miles) I replaced them with Hankook iON Evo tyres. They seem a bit quieter and are supposed to have more grip and extend the car's range. I will report back in 41,000 kms. Actually, I think that the Hankook tyres are guaranteed for 50,000 kms in your country.
my stock tires 2021 tesla model 3 SR still on 42k miles and counting. j/k will replace it with what u love about ur michelin pilot all season 4 by this week. thank u. ill try these pilot all season 4
Thanks for doing this video Chris. I'm actually looking at getting these same tires for my model y currently and your video was helpful. After reading some reviews on the Michelin website I was doubting whether this tire was a good choice but I think I will move forward with getting them after all. Thank you!
If you want maximum range Primacy MXM4 offer 10% more range, than the Pilot Sport A/S 4. But yes the A/S 4 have better ride and more traction too. Amazing traction. I just didnt want 10% more consumption so i went for the mxm4.
The Primacy MXM4 are great tires. I just hate the longevity on it. A new MXM4 tire starts at 8/32 for the tire tread depth. I got 20,000 miles on it before the tire tread was 2/32 and needed replacing. Efficiency was great though and road noise wasn’t that bad. I’m wondering if I should replace them with the Hankook ION Evo AS since those gets noticeably better efficiency, has even less road noise, and lasts longer according to people who use them, but performance is slightly worse than the OEM Primacy MXM4. Maybe I’ll just take the efficiency hit and get the Pilot Sport A/S 4 since they’re cheaper and should last longer with better performance at the cost of efficiency (I charge every day so only my electric bill will feel it lol)
2:25 I absolutely can't believe regen braking is affected at all by tire stickiness!?! How does pulling 54kwh out of the brakes possibly change with different tires. The on board computer controls max regen pull and that chain of command doesn't care about tires. If there was an emergency panic stop button on the dash that could actually lock up the wheels using regen alone (no pads) then I would believe you. But we are talking about a mild braking event with one pedal driving. Taking this further, just imaging if one-pedal driving could first do mild, then medium, then strong, then lock 'em up, then full reverse.
One thing about Tire Rack comparisons: these are compiled based on consumer--not necessarily expert consumer--ratings. You have to take them with a grain of salt. I've always had great results with Continentals (I have used them almost exclusively on my Mustang Shelby GT500). Now that I'm contemplating tires for my MYLR, Continentals are once again on my list. I don't really care about winter/snow performance and treadwear is only a moderate concern. So these user stats don't affect me much. I live in the hottest part of the Sonora Desert in Southern California: my Y will never see snow or serious cold, and only occasionally wet. What I care about is dry traction and comfort. That said, I'm not committed to any one brand . . . and I'd really like to hear more about wheel downsizing. I currently have the 20s, and I want to switch to at least 19s, or, more likely, 18s.
Thanks for all your videos. We learned a lot from you. We live in the same area as you and we were wondering if you have a specific place you recommend for tire rotation and sometime in the future for tire change. Thank you in advance.
Where did you have them installed… I’m worried a discount tire shop won’t jack the car up properly and damage the battery… do you need to give them the jack pucks?
Came back to this video time to start looking into tires. Might get these after watching the video. But do these have foam inside to reduce the noise ? Are they for EV’s
Ran Bridgestone QuietTrack's on my Chevy Bolt and love them. Grippy without hardly any range loss if any. Just purchased a MYLR so I'll be using the stock tires until I wear them out. Anyone try QuietTracks on their Tesla?
Glad to find your opinion on these. My new 24 MYP came with them(the all seasons) and I've gotten caught in the hype on the Hankook Ion Evos curious if it's better to switch to those. I'm personally at 283 for efficiency in 850 miles and I think that will be a lot better over time because I'm still in the 'let's floor it' stage 😂
in your video on tires, it would be great to tell what the size are? It is important to know the aspect ratio which help with ride comfort ie 40 or 45 or even 50.
@@EverydayChris Nah, you stated what the OEM aspect ratio for certain model, but did not mention for your own aftermarket, but I may have missed it. I was very curious with 255/45/r20 for the Y
Hi so on the same Gemini rims if I replace Michelin tires all season please reply which one you recommend cause once in a while I will drive to Lake Tahoe
Thank you. Has the efficiency of your car changed? How about the noise level? Do you still consider the Michelin a better option than the Ion Evo? Please advise. Thank you!
@@eoazubuike Yeah decreases it slightly but not enough to make a difference. Ride quality is smoother and quieter as well. Don't know the ION EVO! Maybe that will be my next tire
Some folks are saying these tires don't fit right on their Tesla Model Y's because the stock rims stick too far out away from the tires and are prone to curb rash. I know that you have aftermarket wheels that you scored at a great price, but, if you are recommending these Pilot Sports to folks with stock Gemini wheels you may be doing them a disservice. Some of these folks have put these on only to take them back because of the way the tire seems to shrink inward away from the edge of the rims leaving the rims exposed and "it just doesn't look right."
I've replied to this twice, but since it is a Reddit link I think TH-cam is deleting it. I googled putting these tires on a Tesla Model Y Long Range and that's where I saw the guy posting the issues he had. A lot of guys in the comments of his post said they were having same issue.@@EverydayChris
Had runflats on my wife's GLC300, hated them, ride quality like a truck. Swapped them out for some nice sticky non-rated tires and it's a whole new vehicle now!
@@hgodtx one Brand/Model tire on one vehicle is by no means an all encompassing, definitive test. However, it appears to satisfy your particular situation. Drive safe.
@@garybean2205 I agree. Someone stuck on the upper deck of the George Washington Bridge during rush hour with a flat tire would sure be dreaming about runflats at that moment!
-The tires gauge 10/32 new. The tech "didn't have trouble" gauging them. I have a tire gauge, too, as well as these tires. I am down to 6/32 front, and 7/32 rear, at 8K miles in my Volvo C40 (402hp/485tq). -It's sidewall construction that gives soft/firm ride quality. -1-pedal driving comes nowhere near close enough to the traction threshold to "slow quicker". You are slowing quicker because these tires have more rolling resistance. -You see an increase in wh/mi due to the new tires having more "tread squirm" which is lost energy, until the tread wears down a bit. Nearly dead tires are the most efficient for this reason. -I went from new Pirelli Zeros to these tires, and saw nearly no efficiency hit. Going from used to new tires always gives you a hit. -You didn't touch on this, but these tires did very well for me in the snow. I have driven LX25's and CC2's in the snow, as well. I'd say these do 75-85% as well. They are plenty competent to deal with moderate dustings in the Midwest. Snow traction was plenty good. Ice traction was meh.
I picked a set up last week. I love em. But Wh/m definitely gone up hope they break in sooner then later lol only reason I’m having second thoughts. But definitely lot smoother then my MXM4 I had. Oh and I can’t tell any difference in road noise, which is good.
Good video - just ordered some Michelin A/S 4 for my M3P Did you have to reconfigure the tire weight/ settings in the car itself or will the car automatically adjust??
Important note: UTQG or Treadwear rating aren’t to be cross compared between brands. They are only really useful to compare wear within the same brand of tire.
Hearing you calling your friend driving like a grandpa with a 258 Wh/mi, while I'm over here with an avg of low 200-220 Wh/mi. after 14k miles driven. Man I feel old lol. Thanks for the video! I'm looking to get new tires sometime early next year. Will definitely reference this video when the time come
I'm averaging 231 Wh/mile around town in my Model S.
Good video tires are so important I am glad you spend the time evaluating your Michelins thamks
I think the best tires for any car and not just Tesla are the ones you get best grip and make your ride safer. Range and noise are just secondary things to look at.
I always kept that mentality for decades, with my Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo, then each of my Lexus IS350 that I leased for years, and now, for my Tesla Model 3 Performance.
With my Tesla, I opted to sell the stock wheels and tires as soon I got the car (2022 model) and I got the T Sportline Arachnid Package, which are staggered 20"x8.5" front and 20"x10" rear with the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S Performance Summer tires without the noise cancelation inserts (no need for winter tires, I live in sunny South Florida).
Grip is very good, performance is just excellent. How long will they last? As long as they need to last. Do they make noise? Not really, I think they are just fine, besides, I like to either listen to music nice and loud, or listen to my audio books, so I don't really care about a bit of noise. Range? Yes, I recharge when I need to recharge, don't go crazy looking for extra 10 miles, that is just stupid.
Cheers.
good response Danny your review makes good common sense
I like Michelin tires-quality, performance. They have new models Pilot Sport 5, Pilot Sport EV, Primacy 4+. However I could not find them fort my model X or S in SoCal. I've been checking on supplies for as long time. Costco only had front PS EV in stock. Frustrating.
If you also changed rims and removed the aero wheel covers, at the time you got new tires, that alone could account for the decrease in efficiency.
Agreed!
Good one Chris, thanks! Love Michelin!
Thanks they carry these at my local Costco and I was able to get 26,000 out of my original Michelin MXM4’s but they cost more than these do and I think these will last longer. Great video!
How are they holding up ?
For Nordic countries, these are my personal opinions on noise/comfort/grip in dry/wet/snow & ice/ range. Where I put comfort as a priority.
Summer tires : Goodyear Efficientgrip Performance 2 = 225/50-18
Winter tires: Goodyear Ultragrip Ice 2 = 225/50-18.
I ended up with Continental Pure Contacts. Had a great deal with buy three one free and a 150.00 rebate!! Couldn’t beat it with lifetime alignment and balance and rotation. Wearing great!
My M3 came with the Michelin Pilot Sport tyres. After 41,000 kms (25,000 miles) I replaced them with Hankook iON Evo tyres. They seem a bit quieter and are supposed to have more grip and extend the car's range. I will report back in 41,000 kms. Actually, I think that the Hankook tyres are guaranteed for 50,000 kms in your country.
How was it?
Just changed model y tire to pilot sport AS4 about 1 week. Average energy is now 320wh/mile compare original tire. about 280wh/mile
my stock tires 2021 tesla model 3 SR still on 42k miles and counting. j/k will replace it with what u love about ur michelin pilot all season 4 by this week. thank u. ill try these pilot all season 4
Thanks for doing this video Chris. I'm actually looking at getting these same tires for my model y currently and your video was helpful. After reading some reviews on the Michelin website I was doubting whether this tire was a good choice but I think I will move forward with getting them after all. Thank you!
Still going strong for me! The thicker tread is a game changer
AGIST! As a grandpa I resent your characterization of our driving style, I would probably be passing you on the freeway. 🤣
GRANPAH PAH WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!?
If you want maximum range Primacy MXM4 offer 10% more range, than the Pilot Sport A/S 4. But yes the A/S 4 have better ride and more traction too. Amazing traction. I just didnt want 10% more consumption so i went for the mxm4.
How much of a factor is the treadwear rating, because I see some Pirelli and Kumho tires with a higher rating.
@@rkgsd higher treadwear means tire will last longer, nothing to do with rolling resistance
Do they have foam inside them? Also are the more prone to nails and flats?
No but it’s quieter! And nothing is prone to nails and flats!
The Primacy MXM4 are great tires. I just hate the longevity on it. A new MXM4 tire starts at 8/32 for the tire tread depth. I got 20,000 miles on it before the tire tread was 2/32 and needed replacing. Efficiency was great though and road noise wasn’t that bad.
I’m wondering if I should replace them with the Hankook ION Evo AS since those gets noticeably better efficiency, has even less road noise, and lasts longer according to people who use them, but performance is slightly worse than the OEM Primacy MXM4.
Maybe I’ll just take the efficiency hit and get the Pilot Sport A/S 4 since they’re cheaper and should last longer with better performance at the cost of efficiency (I charge every day so only my electric bill will feel it lol)
2:25 I absolutely can't believe regen braking is affected at all by tire stickiness!?! How does pulling 54kwh out of the brakes possibly change with different tires. The on board computer controls max regen pull and that chain of command doesn't care about tires. If there was an emergency panic stop button on the dash that could actually lock up the wheels using regen alone (no pads) then I would believe you. But we are talking about a mild braking event with one pedal driving. Taking this further, just imaging if one-pedal driving could first do mild, then medium, then strong, then lock 'em up, then full reverse.
So weird
Its a tight race between the pilot fours or the mxm4s. Im scared to lose range!
Now that you,ve had the tires for over a year, how are they wearing ? Any other issues now?
Love them so much. Drove to Austin. Plenty of tread. Good grip no issues
@@EverydayChris thanks Chris for the quick response. Love your videos!
@@EverydayChris what is your updated best tires for model y long range??????
One thing about Tire Rack comparisons: these are compiled based on consumer--not necessarily expert consumer--ratings. You have to take them with a grain of salt. I've always had great results with Continentals (I have used them almost exclusively on my Mustang Shelby GT500). Now that I'm contemplating tires for my MYLR, Continentals are once again on my list. I don't really care about winter/snow performance and treadwear is only a moderate concern. So these user stats don't affect me much. I live in the hottest part of the Sonora Desert in Southern California: my Y will never see snow or serious cold, and only occasionally wet. What I care about is dry traction and comfort. That said, I'm not committed to any one brand . . . and I'd really like to hear more about wheel downsizing. I currently have the 20s, and I want to switch to at least 19s, or, more likely, 18s.
Good to know.
Nice review!
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for all your videos. We learned a lot from you. We live in the same area as you and we were wondering if you have a specific place you recommend for tire rotation and sometime in the future for tire change. Thank you in advance.
Outstanding video Chris! Excellent information!
Thanks John!
what do you think of Michelin Cross climate 2? Let me know!
Great tire! Supposed to be great for wet weather and light snow
Where did you have them installed… I’m worried a discount tire shop won’t jack the car up properly and damage the battery… do you need to give them the jack pucks?
Came back to this video time to start looking into tires. Might get these after watching the video. But do these have foam inside to reduce the noise ? Are they for EV’s
sup man haven't heard from you in a while. Yeah I love them. Good tires. More quiet than stock without the foam hassle. crazy tread life. good grip.
Wow, you are the only other person, besides me, who say to rotate every 5k miles!
I have 50k mile on my stock tires. I'll be getting tires soon.
Ran Bridgestone QuietTrack's on my Chevy Bolt and love them. Grippy without hardly any range loss if any. Just purchased a MYLR so I'll be using the stock tires until I wear them out. Anyone try QuietTracks on their Tesla?
Glad to find your opinion on these. My new 24 MYP came with them(the all seasons) and I've gotten caught in the hype on the Hankook Ion Evos curious if it's better to switch to those. I'm personally at 283 for efficiency in 850 miles and I think that will be a lot better over time because I'm still in the 'let's floor it' stage 😂
in your video on tires, it would be great to tell what the size are? It is important to know the aspect ratio which help with ride comfort ie 40 or 45 or even 50.
I thought I did brah
@@EverydayChris Nah, you stated what the OEM aspect ratio for certain model, but did not mention for your own aftermarket, but I may have missed it. I was very curious with 255/45/r20 for the Y
@@locdo1233 darn sorry man. I'm doing an updated video on specific wheel stuff soon. I believe I kept the tire the exact same as the OEM
Excellent video with useful info. Thank you.
What about Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus? Better than Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4?
Do you still recommend them...? Or better stick with the hankook evo
Would you recommend these tires for a Model 3 Performance 2022?
Michelin primacy also is the best option for high mileage life
Also the primacy are discontinued by Michelin, 2024 model y are using cross climate 2 now
I love this Michelin tires which come with my MYP! Your tires look so shiny, what did you do? Pls share 😁
I have a car wash video!
Mine are pretty much due for a rotation how much does Tesla charge to come out?
Did you try Michelin Pilot Sport EV? Here in Europe, it is recommended for eletric cars specifications.
Would like to!
Hey Chris! Any suggestions for model y 7 seats cover leathers? Thanks
Hmm seat covers? Go with the Amazon dog covers does a good job
Hey Chris, what type of Rims do you have on your Model Y?
I have a wheel video! Replika wheels
Good video. What aftermarket wheels are on the midnight silver Tesla @4:01?
How is the tire noise as they wear down past 18-20k miles? I hear they get REALLY loud.
What about Michlin energy saver? Will it be better on ev cars?
yes!
Update video on the tires
The big hit on highway driving efficiency, besides going 85, is almost no regen. So I've been told.
Hello Chris can you recommend a place for me to get my brake cerakote my brake covers? Thank you in advance
After watching your tint video, I went with xpel xr plus. 20% ( wanted 15 but they don’t carry )in front side, back and rear 30%.
Ya, nothing like observing the laws, or just be courteous to other drivers, don’t over tint your windows, please.
Nice video Chris! Call me weird but I love tires haha I also love Michelin tires. Usually the best!
Agreee!
PILOT SPORT. and CROSSCLIMATE 2. WE'RE DONE HERE.
Hi so on the same Gemini rims if I replace Michelin tires all season please reply which one you recommend cause once in a while I will drive to Lake Tahoe
Yes Michelin defenders and pilot sport as 4 highly recommend
Does it have the noise reduction foam inside?
Hey! Do you still recommend Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4? I am looking to replace my tires on Tesla model y soon.
GET THEM! over 30k and going strong
Thank you. Has the efficiency of your car changed? How about the noise level? Do you still consider the Michelin a better option than the Ion Evo? Please advise. Thank you!
@@eoazubuike Yeah decreases it slightly but not enough to make a difference. Ride quality is smoother and quieter as well. Don't know the ION EVO! Maybe that will be my next tire
Which tire do you recommend for 2022 model x ?
Probably same going to get when these are done!
Considering these for my m3 sr+, is this overkill?
Def not. Tread is so thick so tires last forever
Some folks are saying these tires don't fit right on their Tesla Model Y's because the stock rims stick too far out away from the tires and are prone to curb rash. I know that you have aftermarket wheels that you scored at a great price, but, if you are recommending these Pilot Sports to folks with stock Gemini wheels you may be doing them a disservice. Some of these folks have put these on only to take them back because of the way the tire seems to shrink inward away from the edge of the rims leaving the rims exposed and "it just doesn't look right."
Which folks? My friend got his with zero issues my boy
I've replied to this twice, but since it is a Reddit link I think TH-cam is deleting it. I googled putting these tires on a Tesla Model Y Long Range and that's where I saw the guy posting the issues he had. A lot of guys in the comments of his post said they were having same issue.@@EverydayChris
I'm at about 22,000 miles on my M3. How do I know when to replace it? Or do you just replace it after 30,000 miles?
Check out my other video on tires but use the penny test!
From experience i’m willing to bet that you are about ready for new rubber.
Just pull into Discount Tire or any shop and they tell you how many remaining miles you got.
They look to big though...not that sporty; but Michelin tires are the best out there for sure
I can't imagine 45/46 PSI. The car is already stiff enough as it is (and bordering on harsh).
Run-flat tires could be a worthwhile option.
Till it finally blows out on you when you're at HIGH SPEED. Just fully ignore checking your tire pressures.
@@jt.8144 It appears you are stating that monitoring of run-flat tire's pressure is essential, yes?
Had runflats on my wife's GLC300, hated them, ride quality like a truck. Swapped them out for some nice sticky non-rated tires and it's a whole new vehicle now!
@@hgodtx one Brand/Model tire on one vehicle is by no means an all encompassing, definitive test. However, it appears to satisfy your particular situation. Drive safe.
@@garybean2205 I agree. Someone stuck on the upper deck of the George Washington Bridge during rush hour with a flat tire would sure be dreaming about runflats at that moment!
-The tires gauge 10/32 new. The tech "didn't have trouble" gauging them. I have a tire gauge, too, as well as these tires. I am down to 6/32 front, and 7/32 rear, at 8K miles in my Volvo C40 (402hp/485tq).
-It's sidewall construction that gives soft/firm ride quality.
-1-pedal driving comes nowhere near close enough to the traction threshold to "slow quicker". You are slowing quicker because these tires have more rolling resistance.
-You see an increase in wh/mi due to the new tires having more "tread squirm" which is lost energy, until the tread wears down a bit. Nearly dead tires are the most efficient for this reason.
-I went from new Pirelli Zeros to these tires, and saw nearly no efficiency hit. Going from used to new tires always gives you a hit.
-You didn't touch on this, but these tires did very well for me in the snow. I have driven LX25's and CC2's in the snow, as well. I'd say these do 75-85% as well. They are plenty competent to deal with moderate dustings in the Midwest. Snow traction was plenty good. Ice traction was meh.
Good info man!
An update, I am now at 11,500 miles, and the fronts are still 6/32, and the rears 6/32 as well. It seems most of the initial wear was break-in.
How are they holding up ?
Love it tons of tread left still sticky
I picked a set up last week. I love em. But Wh/m definitely gone up hope they break in sooner then later lol only reason I’m having second thoughts. But definitely lot smoother then my MXM4 I had. Oh and I can’t tell any difference in road noise, which is good.
I milked 40 k miles out of my oem pirelli p zeros. They were great tires
The Michelin crossclimate 2 has much better rating on Tire Rack.
I’ll look into it
Not sure how you guys are changing tires so often. I’m 40,000 miles in mine and there is 3mm of tread left. Originally 8mm
Nice! You’re the winner
Idk how I occasionally put on track mode and do burn outs!😂
Good video - just ordered some Michelin A/S 4 for my M3P
Did you have to reconfigure the tire weight/ settings in the car itself or will the car automatically adjust??
auto adjusts
Is your car a MYP?
Nope long range!
How much were your tires $1200.00? For a 45,000 mile tires 🛞?
We can’t but this Michelin in europe :(
Damn 7% decrease in efficiency!! HOLY SHIT!! End of days!!
“You robbed some banks and your tires were free using other people’s money!” - Troll
Hahaha!
I've never seen so much research done on tires in any tire review episode. Geezus. Lotta FACTOIDS in this page.
All season are hot garbage just get winter tires and/or performance summer tires
Many will disagree with that & got proff they're not "garbage "
These aren't considered "EV tires", so you will lose significant range with these unfortunately.
Best tires for your Tesla… if you don’t get substantial snow. These tires just do not cut it in the northeast USA, sorry.