The difference between 10th and 3rd is 3 points. Everyone except Liverpool are inconsistent this year. I was just as annoyed as any Spurs fan about yesterday, but they are much more enjoyable to watch, even in defeat, than they were under the previous 2 managers.
Gentle reminder Ange has only had 58 games and one of the youngest squads in the league having traded something like 40 players in/out of the club. Expecting consistency right now is silly. In my opinion he needs at least 100 games and another couple transfer windows to develop that squad. Maybe even more to be honest. Until then the club is just figuring out where we are. If we get to 100 games this season it means we've gone deep into the cup competitions. Chances are it will be next season and we will see if there's seriously concerning patterns, or clear improvements.
I know there is the narrative (that tbf Postecoglu kind of promoted himself) that his teams tend to do well in the second season, but I think it might take 3 with this Spurs team. Partly why the Man Utd fans were patient with Ten Haag is that it's kind of difficult to see who would be a good choice to take over at this point anyway. I thought Amorin would have been good for Spurs as a Back 3 would work with Spurs I think as Udioge and Porro would be better just getting up and down as attacking wingbacks. Then they could have Maddison/Kulu or Son behind Solanke with Johnson coming off the bench and two energetic players in Bentancur and Sarr. As it stands though, I think give him at least the chance to start a third season as I think he's starting to understand the challenge that he'll face at Spurs. I know Levy is usually quite trigger happy when it comes to firing managers too, but I honestly think he'll wait with Ange as he seems to be working well with Johann Lange and giving chances to the youngsters which is clearly a club policy at the moment in terms of the next few years as Spurs were also linked with quite a few other 18 year olds during the summer. It's weird though as on-paper the team is quite decent, but that Spurs mentality of being consistently inconsistent and always being "Doctor Tottenham" (as in you haven't won all season or there's a player who hasn't scored in 25 games? Dr Tottenham will see you now) seems ingrained in the club. The one thing I like about Ange is he's constantly talking about trying to change the mentality and that will take a while to do and maybe another transfer window. Spurs need at least a good option to cover LB and LCB along with maybe a better deep lying playmaker and probably two great wingers to get anywhere near the top 4 on a consistent basis
@mauddib1761 can't disagree. Nobody is turning us into a power house that can kill the belief of opposition consistently in just a couple seasons... Especially after the sheer quantity of change and the experience of the squad 🤷♂️ The truth is the situation is not as amazing or abhorrent as people say it is after each good or bad result. Even just considering cutting the figurehead of the club for not performing miracles is counter productive.
@@jamesjarrett52 yeah well he's equalled Arteta and Klopps wins in his first 50 games. It's all about a process, I'm not about act like I didn't laugh at Arsenal for the first three years Arteta was establishing the game, now I know how it feels, but you can't abandon ship now.
won 5, lost 5 but +10 goal difference, when they lose they lose by a single goal but when they win it is by a margin of three goals on average.... crazy.
@@JimmyLeSpurs There are no crap teams in the Premiership. The only team consistently good this season is Liverpool, but doesn't make the others crap. If you can't enjoy Spurs' performance against Everton, why do you even bother?
@@rohandookiesingh64077 players out of a 26 man squad, our average age is 24.7 which is second lowest in the league, stop cherry picking for a narrative.
@@barosaurus6640 I'm not. You are. I'm picking players with most minutes in the EPL. Tell me how many Lankshear Moore, Gray, Bergvall and Odebert have played? Fucking embarrassing by yoursef to even call me out for cherry picking. 🤣
Yeah. Though that would be supportive and wouldn't get much clicks. Talk shit and the Athletic only take about negative things when it comes to bigger clubs as that gets more clicks and attraction.
@@thisisnightshop2037 he deserves credit, but he’d get more if this was more surprising or unusual for Spurs. Instead this is a reoccurring issue for Spurs from Brighton to Palace and now Ipswich.
I just can’t help but feel so many of the goals we concede come down to poor defence in the the sense of lapses of concentration and lazy moments from individuals. I don’t think it’s a tactics or coaching issue
getting complacent.. this style requires a lot of self belief and confidence however arrogance is something completely different altogether and they pay
Im not saying this to be cocky but we genuinly give city a good game. It wouldnt suprise me if we go and get 3 points away to City after loosing 3 at home to Ipswich. Its just what we do. W
Tottenham have quality players but their confidence is fragile, when they have confidence they are a joy to watch and a formidable team, when they lack the confidence it seems to spread through the team. The second half against Villa was astounding and then there was this disappointment against Ipswich. Following Spurs is a rollercoaster ride. Tottenham have the second best goal difference in the league.
The fans don't have the stomatch. From what I see, we haven't won anything in long. So why not go all in with Ange and shut your fingers from spewing rage on the internet about Levy, or Ange, or whichever player of the week
Spurs have had 4 Europa League games, and have lost the following game after 3 of them. The only exception was when they beat Man U after a facile home win Vs Qarabag. They dont have the squad depth to be consistent in the league AND mount a decent tilt at a cup. Their backup options everywhere are too weak.
In the last 10 years of the premier league there has been one dominant team and then a host of teams that had a mix of somewhat close to not at all. Liverpool beat them in a year that had many challenges for a host of reasons. The conversation or statement that is most interesting is "you can't win that/this way in the premiership". The last 10yrs would suggest that unless you are Manchester City you can't actually win playing any other style of football. You can compete for top 4, but unless you are able to create a squad of comparable talent you actually won't ever get close playing any style. Arsenal who have had a couple of good years, started on a journey that had some stinkers, but now have a squad with players who were actually expensive 50/50 purchases who worked out. Odegaard wasn't seen as the player he is now. Even for Liverpools success, no one saw Salah being the elite player he has become at the time of purchase. So essentially to compete with City in the past 10yrs, you need 2-4 excellent 50/50 purchases that turn out, and then a couple of very young players that also work out. If those 50/50 purchases fail you look like United or Spurs. Great one game, average the next.
This is a personnel issue, not a style issue. The players simply aren't good enough to challenge at the top end of the table. Where Ange is culpable for me is through his mixed messaging in the media. Some weeks its a process where we have to be patient and then other weeks we are a title challenger and he is "disappointed we didn't win anything last year." You can't have it both ways. If you set the expectations high and then don't deliver, the fans will turn and the club is institutionally too fragile to handle that and ultimately the manager is the one who gets the scalp. We've seen it time and time again.
Very little acknowledgment of how Kieran McKenna got his tactics spot on and totally stopped Spurs from playing out from the back, disrupted their rhythm all match and installed his team with the mentality to surpass Tottenham’s intensity.
It's only 10 games in, we have 28 games to go plus cup matches. I think we'll be fine. This is just a hurtful outcome for Spurs fans (me) because we gave two teams who were winless their first wins, forever feeding into the "spursy" tag we get battered with. This also comes after a pretty dismal performance in Turkey where we looked like we couldn't keep possession even if it was tied to our ankle. Ange will sort it out, I have faith he will, but it just hurts right now until we get the chance to set it right.
I miss Charlie as the Spurs correspondent for the Athletic. Such a shame for us he went for the tennis coverage. Hopefully one day he'll come back cause he is great ! I love listening to his views on Spurs.
I’m a Ange defender although the biggest problem with Spurs is belief. If they no longer believe Ange ball can win a trophy then it’s time to love on. Because PL proven managers like Iriola, McKenna, and others are viable options
Yes,it is working. Tottenham would be far worse without Ange. He does not have the players that he needs, because Daniel Levy won't pay the market price. He has to look for a bargain, and screws it up. He's a serial offender.
Saying everyone else this or everyone else that doesn’t work with me, Ange’s system is about taking ownership of one’s role within a very attacking system, prone he admits to counter attacks, there’s more pressure on players because of his system, so if they’re not playing for Ange or themselves, they’re going to concede more and score less, that’s what’s being discussed, not what everyone else is doing.
Im sure these players are good enough to win their next game! Also i think the ban is an absolutely crazy decision. I don't understand how a challenge that can break a leg is a 3 game ban and saying a joke is 7... Son wasn't offended, why are other people getting involved into a personal relationship of two players?!
I've never understood why Spurs would play a high line against side's who is playing with a low block. Basically you've got no space in which to penetrate the opposition. Surely it would be more benefical to drop a bit deeper and then activate the press. Also, wouldn't that also negate the oppositions chance of the counter attack?
The high line is supposed to facilitate a full team press, making it difficult for the opposition to play out from the back, but it is extremely vulnerable to direct counter attacks if your offside trap fails. Like you mentioned, if the opposition is parking the bus anyway, the entire space on the opposition's half becomes super compressed, and it is difficult to achieve overloads in any area. Most teams know that by now and are willing to concede possession to Spurs as they can't do much with the ball anyways.
This is very much a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. When the season began it was said to go for a trophy, focus on the cups. If you do that then the league is going to be suffering because of that. In the cups we’ve won all but one game. Galatasaray and Roma are good sides on paper.
right now it seems only maybe 20 percent of fans who love the thrill of a new manager want him sacked and are gagging for Mason to takeover for god knows how long. I like to take a cooler more reasonable approach and give him the rest of the season and see in the summer. The results have been so inconsistent but the underlying metrics are still favourable. If a couple of things can been fixed then I could see a vast improvement. Unfortunately in my opinion the things that need to be fixed result in superior fullbacks ( i think porro and udgoie are weak and beaten far to often) , a proper DCM and really good RW. not kids, but proper good high wage players. Thats not happening in Jan or ever under Levy
It's worked in games and it hasn't! Though Spurs need to back this guy, not sack! The stats line up, but results are not so. It'll definitely come to fruition if he stays at Spurs and isn't thrown under the bus by our knee jerk reaction fans and board alike. He needs backing
Is the English Media causing a lot of Anxiety among fans and Executive Board rooms alike with the constant analysis of coaches and their teams. Is a need to always have some content put out every day not giving those in charge of teams time to bed in their ideas? I grew up with one sports show that run for an hour and reviewed all the sports there is. Fan channels are rampant and at times toxic, big media houses have dedicated podcasts and channels for teams scrutinising everything to the smallest details. Will we ever have a manager that stays maybe 10 years at club or will Managerial cycles last maybe 6 months come maybe 2034
Keep ange get some defensive reinforcements. We are too easy to play through and the squad needs strengthening. Clearly, European football is taking a toll.
Its all down to players and cultures. Ive been really scepticle of Bentancur. Also i said Romero has checked out since winning world cup. Both Bentancur and Romero dont play and look how amazing we are. Ben Davies amazing block. Sarr and Bissouma will win us trophies. Kulusevski and Johnson can battle for place on wing. Maddison must play in a 4231 behind a striker he is world class. Son wow absolute superstar. Fullbacks Udogie and Poro look great and whats funny is Spence is probably better than both of them but cant get a start. Sell Bentancur 10000% and if a good bid over 50 million especially 60 million comes in for romweo consider selling and buying a full time partner for van de ven
Reminds me of the days (pre parenting lol) where I would spend time reading The Guardian and feel my brain had enjoyed a healthy workout. When so much content around football is extremely repetitive, this was a well considered & multifaceted consideration of the ridiculousness that is my club, Tottenham Hotspur 😁
NOT AT ALL. i hate how all managers can hide behind a 'rebuild' or "building for the future'. What club isnt rebuilding and what club isnt building for the future You take care of results here and now and also do things for the future. Ok i get it, maybe you do Fetguson and play young beckhams and nevilles or with ange play gray and moore. But he is so clueless ange. Think the prem is the ultimate and you need to be flexible. Specifically sarr and bissouma were amazing for him but he hasnt started them together in like 30 league games. Also he never makes half time subs or subs in a meaningfup time. I think its time for spurs to prepare another manager . Ange is losing the dressing room. Romero doesnt look like he cares
What is not working is the players, they have a very slack attitude. They play Ange ball for 15 minutes here or there, but never for 90 minutes! This is the slackest, laziest most lethargic Ange Team I have seen since Melbourne part 1.
I like Ange but I hope he can change 1. Vicario getting blocked (every setpieces and we conceded goals) 2. Poor defense 3. Same Plan A for mancity or Ipswich.
Ange isnt a project manager tho hes been at celtic etc won in year 1 etc hes never been a manager thats had to wait yeats ... his style of play will never win this league or big trophies in england you cant play teams of the level in this country with zero structure and be as poor as they are at set pieces etc
My summary not having actually watched the vid yet: works great against teams that try to come and play, fails horribly against teams that sit deep and close it up
Spurs fans main problem is their obsession with Arsenal and the goalposts move accordingly along with their hopes and ambitions. Trophies never seem to matter so much when they finish above Arsenal (it’s kind of like a trophy for them when they do). And in the periods when they finish below Arsenal the emphasis then switches back wanting to win trophies. Levy’s speech at Cambridge university when he said how proud he was that spurs finished above Arsenal for 5 years pretty much sums him and the vast majority of their fan base up
That's the opposite of what's happening. They're playing some games like a top 4 team and some games like a bottom four team. There's no middle ground. That's why the inconsisteny is highlighted.
Low effort troll. If Spurs won a single extra game they would be third with at least the second best GD in the league. Spurs are the team to win the most games from losing positions and lose the most from winning positions (I’m pretty sure). They are literally consistently inconsistent
10 losses in last 18 premier league matches. A record that Everton would struggled to achieve. Ange record is abysmal. Why is he not under pressure? Imo he should be sacked ontop of wanting/accepting players like Werner Johnson Odobert Gray
I think their problems aren’t down to the manager or the system, it’s an attitude problem and I think it’s a captaincy problem. I love Sonny but I think he may be a little too good of a guy to light a fire under his teammates, nobody is taking a leadership role on the field and holding their teammates accountable. I think ultimately they’ll be fine because when they play well, which is most of the time, they’re great.
Spurs need better options at every positions. The game ange plays is good but it needs individual excellece. One or two errors will directly lead to goal.
he's just not as good at pressing as he probably should be, likely due to his age meaning he can't give it 100% for the full 90. He's great when we need a goal, but we shouldn't really be playing him from the start
@ this play style is strange in the sense that it causes chain reactions of simple passes to result in scoring positions. The same is true of our opponents though. When the press is broken, there’s often an obvious pass. When the press is blown completely, our defenders don’t get close enough to break the play up and it results in us conceding 2 goals to Ipswich..
Spurs is not a very young team, what is he on about? This was the starting 11 versus Ipswich: Vicario (28) Porro (25) Romero (26) Dragusin (22) Udogie (21) Kulusevski (24) Bentancur (27) Sarr (22) Johnson (23) Solanke (27) Son (32)
The lengths people will go to to defend spurs being shit. The whole super league has warped peoples perceptions. This isn't big team Spurs having a slump. This is simply where Spurs are. And I swear to God, if someone says 'oh well their stadium is nice' again, I'm gonna cry. No one cares. An office having comfy chairs isn't a sign of quality and neither is Spurs having a shiny new stadium
I honestly think 95% of this is down to recruitment. Our summer window was shocking in retrospect, no LB or LCB backup, no RW backup, no backup keeper, no winger of world class level, two teenagers (but I do rate both of them). We know Ange wanted higher quality. If Pep had our squad he’d probably be the same, possibly a bit better. You don’t get to the top of the PL with a squad of nearly-men. Sadly Levy won’t commit to building a squad that genuinely competes at the top. This lack of ambition runs through the club and breeds a culture of accepting mediocrity e.g. Imagine Romero turns up at training and sees Dragusin playing for the first time, he sees a player that is nowhere near good enough or competing for his place, result - he can underperform with no consequences. Apply this across the 1st XI and you get complacency, fatigue, injuries and mediocrity.
Ange is done. This will be confirmed with an away defeat to City Bournemouth and getting battered by Chelsea s is usual. This will take us into Christmas I'm guessing around 14th/15th. It's who we are mate.
They started 10 of 11 first choice players this weekend. It’s been 18 months and other teams have ange’s system figured out. The defending is getting worse, not better. He was only hired because no one else (esp Slot) wanted the job.
Porro, Romero, Vicario, Udoggie, Maddison.... Spurs fans have a near-delusional valuation of how good these players are. They are bang-average. Vicario is a keeper who will cost you 7-10 points in a season.
Ange relies on gung ho football all out attacking football, and let's hope for the best attitude. Top teams have a strong, reliable defence and backbone. Which Ange doesn't do or abile to manage. Ange is stubborn and nieve with his tactics, system, and subs. Ange only signs unproven, unready young players he can't handle the experienced quality players. Ange Ball is flawed it only works against attacking teams if they get amongst Spurs. Ange Ball is negated. I fail to see how Ange can fully succeed at Spurs!
Charlie saying CL under Conte was disaster. Losing to AC Milan in last 16 how many times in history has Spurs been in last 16. 3 times? In 2019 and losing to Madrid with Redknapp and Juventus with Poch. Stop your bias on Conte. Ange got hard games coming up!!!
What on earth am I watching. People talk about Ange ball as if it’s some brilliant philosophy. It’s complete nonsense. The guy can’t win an away game to save his life. We regularly don’t turn up and won’t compete. And he changes… nothing. Media darling getting the easiest ride ever.
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The difference between 10th and 3rd is 3 points. Everyone except Liverpool are inconsistent this year. I was just as annoyed as any Spurs fan about yesterday, but they are much more enjoyable to watch, even in defeat, than they were under the previous 2 managers.
Or the overall level of the premier league is very high
Wasn't saying that about 10 Hag either
@@haimainjauo242as a united fan we said that for the first season when we finished 3rd, after that we just lied to ourselves
Agreed. Trust in Ange and enjoy the party
Wayyyy better than getting out to sleep every week by conte NES and mourinho
Gentle reminder Ange has only had 58 games and one of the youngest squads in the league having traded something like 40 players in/out of the club. Expecting consistency right now is silly.
In my opinion he needs at least 100 games and another couple transfer windows to develop that squad. Maybe even more to be honest. Until then the club is just figuring out where we are.
If we get to 100 games this season it means we've gone deep into the cup competitions. Chances are it will be next season and we will see if there's seriously concerning patterns, or clear improvements.
I know there is the narrative (that tbf Postecoglu kind of promoted himself) that his teams tend to do well in the second season, but I think it might take 3 with this Spurs team. Partly why the Man Utd fans were patient with Ten Haag is that it's kind of difficult to see who would be a good choice to take over at this point anyway. I thought Amorin would have been good for Spurs as a Back 3 would work with Spurs I think as Udioge and Porro would be better just getting up and down as attacking wingbacks. Then they could have Maddison/Kulu or Son behind Solanke with Johnson coming off the bench and two energetic players in Bentancur and Sarr.
As it stands though, I think give him at least the chance to start a third season as I think he's starting to understand the challenge that he'll face at Spurs. I know Levy is usually quite trigger happy when it comes to firing managers too, but I honestly think he'll wait with Ange as he seems to be working well with Johann Lange and giving chances to the youngsters which is clearly a club policy at the moment in terms of the next few years as Spurs were also linked with quite a few other 18 year olds during the summer.
It's weird though as on-paper the team is quite decent, but that Spurs mentality of being consistently inconsistent and always being "Doctor Tottenham" (as in you haven't won all season or there's a player who hasn't scored in 25 games? Dr Tottenham will see you now) seems ingrained in the club. The one thing I like about Ange is he's constantly talking about trying to change the mentality and that will take a while to do and maybe another transfer window. Spurs need at least a good option to cover LB and LCB along with maybe a better deep lying playmaker and probably two great wingers to get anywhere near the top 4 on a consistent basis
@mauddib1761 can't disagree. Nobody is turning us into a power house that can kill the belief of opposition consistently in just a couple seasons... Especially after the sheer quantity of change and the experience of the squad 🤷♂️
The truth is the situation is not as amazing or abhorrent as people say it is after each good or bad result. Even just considering cutting the figurehead of the club for not performing miracles is counter productive.
Angeball is a snowball, if it gets rolling in a game it becomes an unstoppable boulder, if the other team stop the run, it melts.
Great analogy you are a very clever man!!!!
@RabbiaRabbia-ul7yi might not be, I'm a Spurs fan
Mad call lol
He's terrible.
@@jamesjarrett52 yeah well he's equalled Arteta and Klopps wins in his first 50 games. It's all about a process, I'm not about act like I didn't laugh at Arsenal for the first three years Arteta was establishing the game, now I know how it feels, but you can't abandon ship now.
won 5, lost 5 but +10 goal difference, when they lose they lose by a single goal but when they win it is by a margin of three goals on average.... crazy.
I’d rather take 5 goals off for 5 more points. Beating crap teams like Everton and West Ham by 5 goals doesn’t mean squat to me
@@JimmyLeSpurs There are no crap teams in the Premiership. The only team consistently good this season is Liverpool, but doesn't make the others crap. If you can't enjoy Spurs' performance against Everton, why do you even bother?
Seems like a 2/3 month cycle at the athletic for their analysis of spurs
Feels like every other week. Sometimes will give people a positive talk and negative talk about thr club in the same week.
Young team, quite a few injuries. Staying patient is the key. Also remember everyone having a go at Spurs re: set pieces. Fixed that one.
young team Vicario, Romero, Bissouma, Maddison, Bentancur, Solanke and Sonny all 25 years or older. 7 starters. Excuses are getting rather thin
We can't defend for shit right now.
@@rohandookiesingh64077 players out of a 26 man squad, our average age is 24.7 which is second lowest in the league, stop cherry picking for a narrative.
@@barosaurus6640 I'm not. You are. I'm picking players with most minutes in the EPL. Tell me how many Lankshear Moore, Gray, Bergvall and Odebert have played? Fucking embarrassing by yoursef to even call me out for cherry picking. 🤣
I wish someone would just given McKenna a little credit
Yeah. Though that would be supportive and wouldn't get much clicks. Talk shit and the Athletic only take about negative things when it comes to bigger clubs as that gets more clicks and attraction.
@@thisisnightshop2037 he deserves credit, but he’d get more if this was more surprising or unusual for Spurs. Instead this is a reoccurring issue for Spurs from Brighton to Palace and now Ipswich.
McKenna who
I just can’t help but feel so many of the goals we concede come down to poor defence in the the sense of lapses of concentration and lazy moments from individuals. I don’t think it’s a tactics or coaching issue
getting complacent.. this style requires a lot of self belief and confidence however arrogance is something completely different altogether and they pay
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Im not saying this to be cocky but we genuinly give city a good game. It wouldnt suprise me if we go and get 3 points away to City after loosing 3 at home to Ipswich. Its just what we do. W
How could you be cocky about someone else's work
4 nill, baby
It’s called parity lads. The league is far more competitive. Just look at the table.
Tottenham have quality players but their confidence is fragile, when they have confidence they are a joy to watch and a formidable team, when they lack the confidence it seems to spread through the team. The second half against Villa was astounding and then there was this disappointment against Ipswich. Following Spurs is a rollercoaster ride. Tottenham have the second best goal difference in the league.
The fans don't have the stomatch. From what I see, we haven't won anything in long. So why not go all in with Ange and shut your fingers from spewing rage on the internet about Levy, or Ange, or whichever player of the week
Spurs have had 4 Europa League games, and have lost the following game after 3 of them. The only exception was when they beat Man U after a facile home win Vs Qarabag. They dont have the squad depth to be consistent in the league AND mount a decent tilt at a cup. Their backup options everywhere are too weak.
In the last 10 years of the premier league there has been one dominant team and then a host of teams that had a mix of somewhat close to not at all. Liverpool beat them in a year that had many challenges for a host of reasons.
The conversation or statement that is most interesting is "you can't win that/this way in the premiership". The last 10yrs would suggest that unless you are Manchester City you can't actually win playing any other style of football. You can compete for top 4, but unless you are able to create a squad of comparable talent you actually won't ever get close playing any style.
Arsenal who have had a couple of good years, started on a journey that had some stinkers, but now have a squad with players who were actually expensive 50/50 purchases who worked out. Odegaard wasn't seen as the player he is now. Even for Liverpools success, no one saw Salah being the elite player he has become at the time of purchase.
So essentially to compete with City in the past 10yrs, you need 2-4 excellent 50/50 purchases that turn out, and then a couple of very young players that also work out.
If those 50/50 purchases fail you look like United or Spurs. Great one game, average the next.
so humble of Daniel Levy to join the podcast and criticizing his own team
Please have Jon on the show more often!
This is a personnel issue, not a style issue. The players simply aren't good enough to challenge at the top end of the table. Where Ange is culpable for me is through his mixed messaging in the media. Some weeks its a process where we have to be patient and then other weeks we are a title challenger and he is "disappointed we didn't win anything last year." You can't have it both ways. If you set the expectations high and then don't deliver, the fans will turn and the club is institutionally too fragile to handle that and ultimately the manager is the one who gets the scalp. We've seen it time and time again.
Very little acknowledgment of how Kieran McKenna got his tactics spot on and totally stopped Spurs from playing out from the back, disrupted their rhythm all match and installed his team with the mentality to surpass Tottenham’s intensity.
It's only 10 games in, we have 28 games to go plus cup matches. I think we'll be fine. This is just a hurtful outcome for Spurs fans (me) because we gave two teams who were winless their first wins, forever feeding into the "spursy" tag we get battered with. This also comes after a pretty dismal performance in Turkey where we looked like we couldn't keep possession even if it was tied to our ankle. Ange will sort it out, I have faith he will, but it just hurts right now until we get the chance to set it right.
I miss Charlie as the Spurs correspondent for the Athletic. Such a shame for us he went for the tennis coverage. Hopefully one day he'll come back cause he is great ! I love listening to his views on Spurs.
I’m a Ange defender although the biggest problem with Spurs is belief. If they no longer believe Ange ball can win a trophy then it’s time to love on.
Because PL proven managers like Iriola, McKenna, and others are viable options
Yes,it is working. Tottenham would be far worse without Ange. He does not have the players that he needs, because Daniel Levy won't pay the market price. He has to look for a bargain, and screws it up. He's a serial offender.
Saying everyone else this or everyone else that doesn’t work with me, Ange’s system is about taking ownership of one’s role within a very attacking system, prone he admits to counter attacks, there’s more pressure on players because of his system, so if they’re not playing for Ange or themselves, they’re going to concede more and score less, that’s what’s being discussed, not what everyone else is doing.
As a neutral they are the most fun team to watch
Im sure these players are good enough to win their next game!
Also i think the ban is an absolutely crazy decision. I don't understand how a challenge that can break a leg is a 3 game ban and saying a joke is 7... Son wasn't offended, why are other people getting involved into a personal relationship of two players?!
Better to watch angeball that conte ball
will say one positive of being in europa is being able to play/start the youth
It’s an incredibly competitive season. Ange is fine.
I've never understood why Spurs would play a high line against side's who is playing with a low block. Basically you've got no space in which to penetrate the opposition. Surely it would be more benefical to drop a bit deeper and then activate the press. Also, wouldn't that also negate the oppositions chance of the counter attack?
The high line is supposed to facilitate a full team press, making it difficult for the opposition to play out from the back, but it is extremely vulnerable to direct counter attacks if your offside trap fails. Like you mentioned, if the opposition is parking the bus anyway, the entire space on the opposition's half becomes super compressed, and it is difficult to achieve overloads in any area. Most teams know that by now and are willing to concede possession to Spurs as they can't do much with the ball anyways.
This is very much a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. When the season began it was said to go for a trophy, focus on the cups. If you do that then the league is going to be suffering because of that. In the cups we’ve won all but one game. Galatasaray and Roma are good sides on paper.
14:15 KLOPP WON STUFF!!! What has Arteta won with his team? He won the FA Cup with EMERY’s Team!!!
Wasn’t the media tongueing Ange’s hoop not so long ago?
right now it seems only maybe 20 percent of fans who love the thrill of a new manager want him sacked and are gagging for Mason to takeover for god knows how long.
I like to take a cooler more reasonable approach and give him the rest of the season and see in the summer. The results have been so inconsistent but the underlying metrics are still favourable. If a couple of things can been fixed then I could see a vast improvement. Unfortunately in my opinion the things that need to be fixed result in superior fullbacks ( i think porro and udgoie are weak and beaten far to often) , a proper DCM and really good RW. not kids, but proper good high wage players. Thats not happening in Jan or ever under Levy
It's worked in games and it hasn't! Though Spurs need to back this guy, not sack!
The stats line up, but results are not so. It'll definitely come to fruition if he stays at Spurs and isn't thrown under the bus by our knee jerk reaction fans and board alike.
He needs backing
Keep Ange, move on from Levy. Move some players on in the next two windows whose minds aren’t in it.
There is literally one reason. His ridiculously high defensive line. That's it.
Is the English Media causing a lot of Anxiety among fans and Executive Board rooms alike with the constant analysis of coaches and their teams. Is a need to always have some content put out every day not giving those in charge of teams time to bed in their ideas? I grew up with one sports show that run for an hour and reviewed all the sports there is. Fan channels are rampant and at times toxic, big media houses have dedicated podcasts and channels for teams scrutinising everything to the smallest details. Will we ever have a manager that stays maybe 10 years at club or will Managerial cycles last maybe 6 months come maybe 2034
Spurs back and forth .....sounds like your conversation 😂
Keep ange get some defensive reinforcements. We are too easy to play through and the squad needs strengthening. Clearly, European football is taking a toll.
Levy has mugged you all off
Its all down to players and cultures. Ive been really scepticle of Bentancur. Also i said Romero has checked out since winning world cup.
Both Bentancur and Romero dont play and look how amazing we are.
Ben Davies amazing block.
Sarr and Bissouma will win us trophies.
Kulusevski and Johnson can battle for place on wing.
Maddison must play in a 4231 behind a striker he is world class.
Son wow absolute superstar. Fullbacks Udogie and Poro look great and whats funny is Spence is probably better than both of them but cant get a start.
Sell Bentancur 10000% and if a good bid over 50 million especially 60 million comes in for romweo consider selling and buying a full time partner for van de ven
Certainly not so long may he continue.
let's see after the internationals. The captain mentioned how honourable to play for his own country. They had to reserve energy now.
@@akas224 I hope that’s a joke.
Mediocrity is built into the walls at Tottenham. I don't think any manager or signing could get them to a real trophy.
Reminds me of the days (pre parenting lol) where I would spend time reading The Guardian and feel my brain had enjoyed a healthy workout. When so much content around football is extremely repetitive, this was a well considered & multifaceted consideration of the ridiculousness that is my club, Tottenham Hotspur 😁
it is this way for every team bar liverpool ? why
NOT AT ALL.
i hate how all managers can hide behind a 'rebuild' or "building for the future'. What club isnt rebuilding and what club isnt building for the future
You take care of results here and now and also do things for the future.
Ok i get it, maybe you do Fetguson and play young beckhams and nevilles or with ange play gray and moore. But he is so clueless ange. Think the prem is the ultimate and you need to be flexible.
Specifically sarr and bissouma were amazing for him but he hasnt started them together in like 30 league games. Also he never makes half time subs or subs in a meaningfup time.
I think its time for spurs to prepare another manager .
Ange is losing the dressing room. Romero doesnt look like he cares
Didn't help Spurs cause that not one player who wore the shirt could manage four out of ten in the bbc match ratings. And that folks is a disgrace.
We just can’t defend that is plain and simple
If spurs won against Leicester, Newcastle, palace and Ipswich. All were winnable games. They’d be sitting at 2nd 1 point behind Liverpool.
If they just beat Ipswich they'd be third.
What is not working is the players, they have a very slack attitude. They play Ange ball for 15 minutes here or there, but never for 90 minutes! This is the slackest, laziest most lethargic Ange Team I have seen since Melbourne part 1.
I like Ange but I hope he can change
1. Vicario getting blocked (every setpieces and we conceded goals)
2. Poor defense
3. Same Plan A for mancity or Ipswich.
We buy too many young players and too few leaders, because the big money spinner doesn't like spending.
They should sell Son & everything would be OK.
Can you inspire players by mumbling and not looking them in the eye?
Ange isnt a project manager tho hes been at celtic etc won in year 1 etc hes never been a manager thats had to wait yeats ... his style of play will never win this league or big trophies in england you cant play teams of the level in this country with zero structure and be as poor as they are at set pieces etc
My summary not having actually watched the vid yet: works great against teams that try to come and play, fails horribly against teams that sit deep and close it up
No it's not working no plan b if plan a doesn't work more often than not we lose
It’s just spursy lads.. no science involved
Spurs fans main problem is their obsession with Arsenal and the goalposts move accordingly along with their hopes and ambitions. Trophies never seem to matter so much when they finish above Arsenal (it’s kind of like a trophy for them when they do).
And in the periods when they finish below Arsenal the emphasis then switches back wanting to win trophies.
Levy’s speech at Cambridge university when he said how proud he was that spurs finished above Arsenal for 5 years pretty much sums him
and the vast majority of their fan base up
this podcast is more about the way they play - tactics, etc. thats just childish stuff.
I don't think Spurs are inconsistent. I think they're a mid table team playing like a mid table team
They have the second best GD in the division, consistency has definitely been an issue.
But they’re not a mid table team are they and they haven’t been for like 15 years
@chismilongo is clearly a 12yr old crying into his rice crispies
That's the opposite of what's happening. They're playing some games like a top 4 team and some games like a bottom four team. There's no middle ground. That's why the inconsisteny is highlighted.
Low effort troll.
If Spurs won a single extra game they would be third with at least the second best GD in the league.
Spurs are the team to win the most games from losing positions and lose the most from winning positions (I’m pretty sure). They are literally consistently inconsistent
I used to like the Athletic until they started utilising predatory pricing strategies to take my money. I guess i'm the sucker right?
10 losses in last 18 premier league matches. A record that Everton would struggled to achieve. Ange record is abysmal. Why is he not under pressure? Imo he should be sacked ontop of wanting/accepting players like Werner Johnson Odobert Gray
I think their problems aren’t down to the manager or the system, it’s an attitude problem and I think it’s a captaincy problem. I love Sonny but I think he may be a little too good of a guy to light a fire under his teammates, nobody is taking a leadership role on the field and holding their teammates accountable. I think ultimately they’ll be fine because when they play well, which is most of the time, they’re great.
Want the f is angeball🤷🏻♂️
Spurs need better options at every positions. The game ange plays is good but it needs individual excellece. One or two errors will directly lead to goal.
No
Obviously not.
Beginning of the end ...
How many times has this question been asked now?
Unpopular opinion, but I don’t think the team perform as well with Son playing.
Or maybe Ange doesn't know how to use Son. Any other team would have him in a heart beat
He’s either the striker or square peg in round hole. Solanke does ST role better as well
he's just not as good at pressing as he probably should be, likely due to his age meaning he can't give it 100% for the full 90. He's great when we need a goal, but we shouldn't really be playing him from the start
@ this play style is strange in the sense that it causes chain reactions of simple passes to result in scoring positions. The same is true of our opponents though. When the press is broken, there’s often an obvious pass. When the press is blown completely, our defenders don’t get close enough to break the play up and it results in us conceding 2 goals to Ipswich..
Spurs is not a very young team, what is he on about? This was the starting 11 versus Ipswich:
Vicario (28)
Porro (25) Romero (26) Dragusin (22) Udogie (21)
Kulusevski (24) Bentancur (27) Sarr (22)
Johnson (23) Solanke (27) Son (32)
The only stat that matters is points points we're falling off a ****ing cliff.
The lengths people will go to to defend spurs being shit. The whole super league has warped peoples perceptions. This isn't big team Spurs having a slump. This is simply where Spurs are. And I swear to God, if someone says 'oh well their stadium is nice' again, I'm gonna cry. No one cares. An office having comfy chairs isn't a sign of quality and neither is Spurs having a shiny new stadium
What's his record AFTER his 1st ten games when Spurs were at the top of the league (39 games).......mid-table. (17 losses in 39 games)
Ange ball is a throwback to Ossie Ardiles except Aussie Ardiles.
Such a Spuds thing to think it's better to get EL over CL
Spurs fan in a nutshell: "Maybe this could be our year?" Immediately lose next game. Fellas, it hasn't looked like being your year for a long time.
I honestly think 95% of this is down to recruitment. Our summer window was shocking in retrospect, no LB or LCB backup, no RW backup, no backup keeper, no winger of world class level, two teenagers (but I do rate both of them). We know Ange wanted higher quality. If Pep had our squad he’d probably be the same, possibly a bit better. You don’t get to the top of the PL with a squad of nearly-men. Sadly Levy won’t commit to building a squad that genuinely competes at the top. This lack of ambition runs through the club and breeds a culture of accepting mediocrity e.g. Imagine Romero turns up at training and sees Dragusin playing for the first time, he sees a player that is nowhere near good enough or competing for his place, result - he can underperform with no consequences. Apply this across the 1st XI and you get complacency, fatigue, injuries and mediocrity.
Ange is done. This will be confirmed with an away defeat to City Bournemouth and getting battered by Chelsea s is usual. This will take us into Christmas I'm guessing around 14th/15th. It's who we are mate.
You having the same attitude as some of the squad that's our problem...
@@tariqamin7203 Yeah and I'd expect my manager to motivate me. THAT'S HIS JOB MATE. another clueless reply
Levy re opens the manager vacancy on Indeed 😂 Spurs are as reliable as a Rail Replacement bus on Sundays
I think the biggest problem with Spurs is it doesn't matter who is in charge lol. Spurs will still be Spurs, it's in our DNA.
They started 10 of 11 first choice players this weekend. It’s been 18 months and other teams have ange’s system figured out. The defending is getting worse, not better. He was only hired because no one else (esp Slot) wanted the job.
Remember a spurs fan who rang Talksport to say ange and spurs were winning the EPL after just 7 games last season. And we call arsenal fans dwluded.
Mickey mouse club
Porro, Romero, Vicario, Udoggie, Maddison.... Spurs fans have a near-delusional valuation of how good these players are. They are bang-average. Vicario is a keeper who will cost you 7-10 points in a season.
Ange relies on gung ho football all out attacking football, and let's hope for the best attitude. Top teams have a strong, reliable defence and backbone. Which Ange doesn't do or abile to manage. Ange is stubborn and nieve with his tactics, system, and subs. Ange only signs unproven, unready young players he can't handle the experienced quality players. Ange Ball is flawed it only works against attacking teams if they get amongst Spurs. Ange Ball is negated. I fail to see how Ange can fully succeed at Spurs!
Charlie saying CL under Conte was disaster.
Losing to AC Milan in last 16 how many times in history has Spurs been in last 16. 3 times? In 2019 and losing to Madrid with Redknapp and Juventus with Poch.
Stop your bias on Conte.
Ange got hard games coming up!!!
Last 39 games: 17W 5D 17L
2-1 build up system is pathetic. Ange ball is fraud
Lot of starting CB injuries in the last stretch last year contributed to the losses. VDV impacts Ws a lot
What do you think of Tottenham?
Very gud
Ange will not see the year out, his 1 tactic is not good enough for elite levels of football.
What on earth am I watching. People talk about Ange ball as if it’s some brilliant philosophy. It’s complete nonsense. The guy can’t win an away game to save his life. We regularly don’t turn up and won’t compete. And he changes… nothing. Media darling getting the easiest ride ever.
Spurs are being spursy, its just what they do and always will
How many times has this question been asked now?
No