Writeup I did on another video: Between the 3, herblore is by far the most generically good one. Remember how every single ironmeme ever just instinctually puts every single exp lamp they ever get into herblore? Yeah, there's a reason for that. That skill sucks balls. Last league, I did not have trickster, and I still managed to get 50m exp in thieving and agility. I only managed to barely scrape together 35m for herblore. Most people seem to unanimously agree the agility one is the weakest here, so the main competition here is between herblore and thieving. The best regions to (ab)use the thieving relic are: Kandarin, Mory, and Elfland. And remember that: - You're not going Kandarin this league lmao - The main allure for Mory is to thieve blood shards, right? But remember, you're probably also going Fremmy aren't you? That neck slot absolutely blows everything else out of the water, AND we get a bunch of passive healing this league, so the bloodfury is actually kind of obsolete. Plus if you REALLY want the blood shards anyway (for some reason?), you can just murder for it instead of thieving. - Priff benefits from elf thieving quite nicely, but again... what is it all for? The main thing you can abuse the shards for is singing and reverting your seeds over and over to cheese a crapton of smithing & crafting exp. But, if you're going Fremmy also (as most people are this league), your smithing and crafting is pretty easily solved via moneydragon's drops and the blast furnace. The mining relic further trivializes crafting and smithing. Gauntlet and zalcano also crap out tons of uncut gems. Crafting will not be an issue regardless. - If you're going desert, you have a lot of anti-synergy with the thieving relic. You'll have tons of sq'irkin tasks as well as blackjacking and pyramid plunder. Blackjack thieving doesn't actually have any RNG in it, as you always fail when they're conscious and always succeed when they're sleeping. Plus you'll probably want to do enough pyramid plunder to get 2 scepters; one for the house altar, and one to keep. Yes you auto-succeed on the urn checks, but it's not pickpocketing so you're not getting full value out of the pick anyway. - Varlamore is massive anti-synergy with the thieving relic, as their main allure for thieving content is that it's un-failable and fully afk already anyway. - The herblore relic overlaps with the farming relic a bit in its use of providing herbs. That means, if you take the herblore choice here, you're more free to take the grimoire in that tier, and I don't need to explain how good that is. Yes, everyone has access to hams in Misthalin, and aoe pickpocketing them is completely insane and will break easy clues with this relic. That's probably the single unquestionably best use of the thieving pick. ...But that's about it, I think? Is it worth a whole relic just for this? Are you really prepared to give up herblore, the massively more difficult and annoying skill, for thieving? Doesn't seem like a smart idea. TLDR: Herblore is the obvious, can't-go-wrong choice here. The thieving relic is massively situational and region-dependent. Its best value comes from Mory and Tirannwn, and even then it's not fully necessary, whereas the herblore pick helps any place, any time, regardless of who you are. (I myself am planning on going both Elftown AND Mory, and I'm still confident in picking herblore.) Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Herb gang represent! 🌿
Nah thieving is 100% the best relic. Her lore is obsolete if you already have the overgrown relic. The agility relic only helps agility and the money is useless because 1. Leagues spits out money as it is and 2. Golden god. Herblore only helps the herblore skill and while herblore sucks, it isn’t that hard in leagues. The thieving relic helps with thieving, farming, herblore, crafting, smithing, cooking, and money depending on when this and golden god becomes available. It helps with farming and her more because master farmers will spit out never ending seeds so if you pair that with overgrown bam that helps both farming and herb. You also make thieving a lot more afk. And the stalls never depleting and things being noted from NPCs while stealing from all Npc’s in a 11x11 radius is OP. Only thing I really agree with you on this is that agility is by far the weakest as I’m sure everybody will do the lap tasks anyway and likely do that with golden god and doing other production tasks.
@@1989mrfootball hes saying you could choose not to get overgrown relic and instead get the grimoire which is HUGE for combat (for certain region setups). Instead of thieving + overgrown. he's saying do herblore + grimoire.
Good reasoning, I'm going Dodgy Deals myself as I'll be going Overgrown. Grimoire isn't worth it for me personally as I'm going MTF, I'll have Lunars anyway and thralls and piety for an extra 8% isn't worth it, the small time save of say ~3 seconds from using piety on a boss is no where near compared to the overall time save on going Overgrown, allows me to also go Dodgy Deals and save much more time than what I would going Grimoire. I wont double up on herblore and Overgrown as that's just a waste so thieving is a no brainer for me and my regions, no one is going agility this leagues haha.
I'm taking theiving and overgrowth, as I am not chasing max possible damage, I just want to automate as much skilling as possible so I can focus on PVM and bossing. Really need to know what golden god is against as thats my solution for 50m construction and 99 magic.
I'm going based on fun for myself. I'm picking Morytania for sure. Barrows is nostalgic for me, and I love Tob and find Phosani's Nightmare enjoyable too. I picked Range relic last league with Desert and I simply don't want to do that again. I'll be taking probably Wilderness, as I really want to try out the Khopesh. It looks very fun. Lastly, I'll consider Zeah for cox, Varlamore for the Echo boss, and Asgarnia for Gwd/nex and all the other content in there. I'm leaving my regions undecided until I have all the facts! I'm likely going 6 melee 3 range 1 mage. Scythe + Inquisitors + Khopesh + 2 tick crossbow or 1 tick blowpipe if I do end up taking desert or tyranwn. Hope this helps! Full video on my route coming when reveals are done!
I think thieving relic with overgrown is gona be great unless you pick varelmore then the herblore relic with the minigame potion packs is insane plus 0 secondaries im not picking varelmore so thieving for me, master farmers to elves is the goal and rely on overgrown for potions, collecting secondaries will suck but snapegrass seeds might solve it
For me it depends on what gg and overgrown are going against. If I don’t choose overgrown I’ll take forager if I don’t take gg I’ll take thieving. Separate note it feels like there’s gunna be a few more tiers than last game? Many we will get our fourth relic around the time we got third last year? I’m not sure all the relics shown seem like early game stuff
At first I was planning on thieving relic, though after some thought I've made the decision to go friendly forager. You can easily afk regular vyres for 1-2 bloodshards/hr regardless so that solves that issue as that will be more than enough as a melee this league. The early 70 smithing rush for zombie axe would've been nice via mor-ul-rek stalls though if you go varlamore first which in this case I am, the gp you make from the crafting grind @shops with rubies is more than enough to shop that. It will be nice not having to do a bunch of preping/secondary gathering this leagues and enjoy having potions earlier/more accessible, plus you never know beyond inferno without bankers note where having brews for more long form will come in handy (echo bosses being the unknown). Plan on going VDM (combat masteries - t6 melee/t4 ranged)
thieving is so fucking sick with overgrown; unlimited seeds... surprised you didn't go over that combo. also left or right hand handle mug? it's just a loop, no?
Idk man, skipping 10 hours of agility seems pretty nice, along with the free 50m exp tasks. Theiving relic helps solve gp, smithing, and crafting, but none of these are hard to find alternatives for. Herblore relic is redundant to farming relic which solves farming and herblore. I'd go herblore relic if the mystery relic sharing a tier with farming ends up being really good. Don't see myself going theiving. Wondering if my last recall is going to let me squirk out of my mind for easy 50mil theiving.
Thought about going TFV, but it's impossible for me to upkeep herbs and I really wanted Grimoire for Rigour and Dodgy Deals for easy Elf pickpockets, so I guess it's back to theorycrafting.
if it helps at all i checked the dps in full bis for TVF (crystal, sunlit bracers, dk jewelry, quiver - bofa on accurate still 2t) with hawk eye you have max hit of 51 and 55 with rigour. vs Zuk that makes dps go from 23.1 to 24.9 or avg kill times of 52.5 and 48.8. so saving 4 seconds per zuk isnt really that big of a difference. Take that pvm time save into consideration compared to time save of basically 0 time farming or whatever the 3rd relic can offer. Prayers are nice but they aren't a massive increase. Ancient and Arceuus spells are the other considerations.
Don't really need blood fury if you since combat masteries offer healing. If your picking fremmy then you'll most likely not be switching amulets unless you picked last recall over bankers note.
My thoughts exactly. I feel like overgrown is definitely the way to go when it comes to longevity. FF provides early game access to potions, but overgrown is there for the marathon rather than the sprint. I also plan to pick DD which would pair nicely with overgrown to ensure master farmers can easily supply all the seeds I'll ever need! :)
@ I think a good solution would be to flag anyone that steals from a stall without the relic for one way PvP. Like, give them the chance to grief, but then they have to try to tank as they run away from everyone.
You would only want brews if you dont take BN since there is no benefit to brews over normal food (Stat drain and lower heals?) Unless food is for some reason an issue in your region
I'd want to be a mug made by 7 year old "volunatry" Chinese labourers in the Jaingsu Province. I'd also want there to be improperly formulated glaze on my ceramic material so that I'm not microwavable.
Agility is the defacto wrong choice, thieving is god tier bait for losers, and friendly forager is overpowered. If they wanted to balance the relics a little better they should have swapped friendly forager and overgrown. Who needs 8 blood shards an hour when EVERYONE gets 95% charges saved for free. If I’m mistaken here, and charges on blood fury don’t count for the combat mastery passive, then there’s the other point, WHY would anybody taking fremmy use blood fury? You’ve already got passive healing that’s stronger than blood fury for going melee, and wouldn’t you want to use the rancor amulet with melee gear, or fremmy amulet if you go fremmy? Only argument I’ve heard for thieving that’s good, is for thieving elves to solve crafting and smithing, and tbh those are already solved elsewhere.
Also if you think you’ll be thieving stalls at all with thieving relic, think again. If anybody without thieving relic tags the stall it breaks everyone else’s afk, and have to wait full respawn timer (confirmed not reduced like other skilling things will be)
I'm not disagreeing with - but the benefit of thieving relic is that it also gets you gems for crafting, and ores for smithing. Herb one only helps you with one skill. Just depends what your goal is in the league! If you want to do a ton of pvm and need pots for it, then herblore is the way to go. If you're looking for ranks and max cape, then thieving might overall speed that process up \
Because you can use BF until you manage to get the drop in Fremmy. Plus thieving offers way more utility than just shards. It also helps with herblore, just in the form of seeds over herbs. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to save secondaries, but I’ll have so many herbs from seeds and raids that I don’t think it’s worth taking forager.
Instant subscribe, love the way you break things down and your voice is great for this. Hope you blow up this league!
Writeup I did on another video:
Between the 3, herblore is by far the most generically good one. Remember how every single ironmeme ever just instinctually puts every single exp lamp they ever get into herblore? Yeah, there's a reason for that. That skill sucks balls. Last league, I did not have trickster, and I still managed to get 50m exp in thieving and agility. I only managed to barely scrape together 35m for herblore.
Most people seem to unanimously agree the agility one is the weakest here, so the main competition here is between herblore and thieving. The best regions to (ab)use the thieving relic are: Kandarin, Mory, and Elfland. And remember that:
- You're not going Kandarin this league lmao
- The main allure for Mory is to thieve blood shards, right? But remember, you're probably also going Fremmy aren't you? That neck slot absolutely blows everything else out of the water, AND we get a bunch of passive healing this league, so the bloodfury is actually kind of obsolete. Plus if you REALLY want the blood shards anyway (for some reason?), you can just murder for it instead of thieving.
- Priff benefits from elf thieving quite nicely, but again... what is it all for? The main thing you can abuse the shards for is singing and reverting your seeds over and over to cheese a crapton of smithing & crafting exp. But, if you're going Fremmy also (as most people are this league), your smithing and crafting is pretty easily solved via moneydragon's drops and the blast furnace. The mining relic further trivializes crafting and smithing. Gauntlet and zalcano also crap out tons of uncut gems. Crafting will not be an issue regardless.
- If you're going desert, you have a lot of anti-synergy with the thieving relic. You'll have tons of sq'irkin tasks as well as blackjacking and pyramid plunder. Blackjack thieving doesn't actually have any RNG in it, as you always fail when they're conscious and always succeed when they're sleeping. Plus you'll probably want to do enough pyramid plunder to get 2 scepters; one for the house altar, and one to keep. Yes you auto-succeed on the urn checks, but it's not pickpocketing so you're not getting full value out of the pick anyway.
- Varlamore is massive anti-synergy with the thieving relic, as their main allure for thieving content is that it's un-failable and fully afk already anyway.
- The herblore relic overlaps with the farming relic a bit in its use of providing herbs. That means, if you take the herblore choice here, you're more free to take the grimoire in that tier, and I don't need to explain how good that is.
Yes, everyone has access to hams in Misthalin, and aoe pickpocketing them is completely insane and will break easy clues with this relic. That's probably the single unquestionably best use of the thieving pick. ...But that's about it, I think? Is it worth a whole relic just for this? Are you really prepared to give up herblore, the massively more difficult and annoying skill, for thieving? Doesn't seem like a smart idea.
TLDR: Herblore is the obvious, can't-go-wrong choice here. The thieving relic is massively situational and region-dependent. Its best value comes from Mory and Tirannwn, and even then it's not fully necessary, whereas the herblore pick helps any place, any time, regardless of who you are. (I myself am planning on going both Elftown AND Mory, and I'm still confident in picking herblore.) Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Herb gang represent! 🌿
Nah thieving is 100% the best relic. Her lore is obsolete if you already have the overgrown relic. The agility relic only helps agility and the money is useless because 1. Leagues spits out money as it is and 2. Golden god. Herblore only helps the herblore skill and while herblore sucks, it isn’t that hard in leagues. The thieving relic helps with thieving, farming, herblore, crafting, smithing, cooking, and money depending on when this and golden god becomes available.
It helps with farming and her more because master farmers will spit out never ending seeds so if you pair that with overgrown bam that helps both farming and herb. You also make thieving a lot more afk. And the stalls never depleting and things being noted from NPCs while stealing from all Npc’s in a 11x11 radius is OP. Only thing I really agree with you on this is that agility is by far the weakest as I’m sure everybody will do the lap tasks anyway and likely do that with golden god and doing other production tasks.
@@1989mrfootball hes saying you could choose not to get overgrown relic and instead get the grimoire which is HUGE for combat (for certain region setups). Instead of thieving + overgrown. he's saying do herblore + grimoire.
Good reasoning, I'm going Dodgy Deals myself as I'll be going Overgrown. Grimoire isn't worth it for me personally as I'm going MTF, I'll have Lunars anyway and thralls and piety for an extra 8% isn't worth it, the small time save of say ~3 seconds from using piety on a boss is no where near compared to the overall time save on going Overgrown, allows me to also go Dodgy Deals and save much more time than what I would going Grimoire. I wont double up on herblore and Overgrown as that's just a waste so thieving is a no brainer for me and my regions, no one is going agility this leagues haha.
progression matters. blood fury will be great until frem jewelry.
I'm taking theiving and overgrowth, as I am not chasing max possible damage, I just want to automate as much skilling as possible so I can focus on PVM and bossing.
Really need to know what golden god is against as thats my solution for 50m construction and 99 magic.
How do you force a specific herb in The pouch?
Initally I was thinking about doing Overgrown + Friendly forager for afk herblore and farming. But I’m giving corner cutter a second look.
"stalls are now on the table"
good pun
I also like to do a little chisely chis, but I’m pretty sure we’re talking about different things.
With varlamore I'm looking at animal wrangler, friendly forager, treasure compass, banker's note, (probably grimoire, but there's 1 relic unknown)
so many people upload relic react vids but i find i am most excited to see yours
i’ll be going the herb one, thieving one is good though
you can also just thieve the tzhaar themselves, not the stall, for gems. You just need asgarnia or fremmy for ice gloves
yup! I'll probably talk about various builds in a final big video
Pumped for this final big theory craft video
Giant. Brain
bro i burst out laughing at the 'also im Canadian if i pronounce herbs weird' - there was me thinking he says pouch weird haha.
Great video tho
love you
Hey man, what’s your overall game plan at the moment? Looking for some cool inspo
I'm going based on fun for myself. I'm picking Morytania for sure. Barrows is nostalgic for me, and I love Tob and find Phosani's Nightmare enjoyable too.
I picked Range relic last league with Desert and I simply don't want to do that again. I'll be taking probably Wilderness, as I really want to try out the Khopesh. It looks very fun. Lastly, I'll consider Zeah for cox, Varlamore for the Echo boss, and Asgarnia for Gwd/nex and all the other content in there. I'm leaving my regions undecided until I have all the facts!
I'm likely going 6 melee 3 range 1 mage.
Scythe + Inquisitors + Khopesh + 2 tick crossbow or 1 tick blowpipe if I do end up taking desert or tyranwn.
Hope this helps! Full video on my route coming when reveals are done!
I think thieving relic with overgrown is gona be great unless you pick varelmore then the herblore relic with the minigame potion packs is insane plus 0 secondaries
im not picking varelmore so thieving for me, master farmers to elves is the goal and rely on overgrown for potions, collecting secondaries will suck but snapegrass seeds might solve it
For me it depends on what gg and overgrown are going against. If I don’t choose overgrown I’ll take forager if I don’t take gg I’ll take thieving.
Separate note it feels like there’s gunna be a few more tiers than last game? Many we will get our fourth relic around the time we got third last year? I’m not sure all the relics shown seem like early game stuff
For sure. I think theres just more relic tiers too
It seems weve had 1 extra relic tier every leagues so id assume it will follow the same trend
thieving also solves seeds from master farmer for farming :)
but do you realy need that if you get herbs anyway from the forager ?
@ thieving solves crafting smithing farming herblore clues and gp
At first I was planning on thieving relic, though after some thought I've made the decision to go friendly forager. You can easily afk regular vyres for 1-2 bloodshards/hr regardless so that solves that issue as that will be more than enough as a melee this league. The early 70 smithing rush for zombie axe would've been nice via mor-ul-rek stalls though if you go varlamore first which in this case I am, the gp you make from the crafting grind @shops with rubies is more than enough to shop that. It will be nice not having to do a bunch of preping/secondary gathering this leagues and enjoy having potions earlier/more accessible, plus you never know beyond inferno without bankers note where having brews for more long form will come in handy (echo bosses being the unknown). Plan on going VDM (combat masteries - t6 melee/t4 ranged)
thieving is so fucking sick with overgrown; unlimited seeds... surprised you didn't go over that combo.
also left or right hand handle mug? it's just a loop, no?
Idk man, skipping 10 hours of agility seems pretty nice, along with the free 50m exp tasks. Theiving relic helps solve gp, smithing, and crafting, but none of these are hard to find alternatives for. Herblore relic is redundant to farming relic which solves farming and herblore. I'd go herblore relic if the mystery relic sharing a tier with farming ends up being really good. Don't see myself going theiving. Wondering if my last recall is going to let me squirk out of my mind for easy 50mil theiving.
i wouldnt chose friendly forager for the herb sack. I would choose it for the secondaries if i didnt have access to a lot of em easily
Thought about going TFV, but it's impossible for me to upkeep herbs and I really wanted Grimoire for Rigour and Dodgy Deals for easy Elf pickpockets, so I guess it's back to theorycrafting.
Just take bankers note and use moths / butterflies (big brain) (don't do this) (unless...)
if it helps at all i checked the dps in full bis for TVF (crystal, sunlit bracers, dk jewelry, quiver - bofa on accurate still 2t) with hawk eye you have max hit of 51 and 55 with rigour. vs Zuk that makes dps go from 23.1 to 24.9 or avg kill times of 52.5 and 48.8.
so saving 4 seconds per zuk isnt really that big of a difference. Take that pvm time save into consideration compared to time save of basically 0 time farming or whatever the 3rd relic can offer. Prayers are nice but they aren't a massive increase. Ancient and Arceuus spells are the other considerations.
Don't really need blood fury if you since combat masteries offer healing. If your picking fremmy then you'll most likely not be switching amulets unless you picked last recall over bankers note.
For sure. I personally will camp Rancour over bloodfury anyways too!
Once i get to the overgrown relic. I'll have all the herbs i could ever need. Though im planning on going mostly pvm content with 0/6/4.
My thoughts exactly. I feel like overgrown is definitely the way to go when it comes to longevity. FF provides early game access to potions, but overgrown is there for the marathon rather than the sprint. I also plan to pick DD which would pair nicely with overgrown to ensure master farmers can easily supply all the seeds I'll ever need! :)
Thieviing relic + over grown has to be the best. Afk 3 annoying skills
Yes
With forager alone, it would take 15,000 hours to get a green stack of a single herb.
Stalls will unfortunately be perpetually griefed. Still going thieving. Don’t need grimoire with Z
True. I think early game a lot of things will be griefed/bottlenecked with players.
Can try to petition jagex to add a dodgy deals only world lol
@@flompleYTstalls dont deplete this leagues
@ I think a good solution would be to flag anyone that steals from a stall without the relic for one way PvP. Like, give them the chance to grief, but then they have to try to tank as they run away from everyone.
@@rushmonk3545 never cook again
No handle mug
You would only want brews if you dont take BN since there is no benefit to brews over normal food (Stat drain and lower heals?) Unless food is for some reason an issue in your region
i would want to be a mug with a right handle
You don't passively make potions
It depends on your region, if you’re FTM you’d probably want Herb considering you get 635 per hour
Do not underestimate getting 99 crafting and 99 smithing with trickster as you get unlimited crystal shards with making crystal armor
@ yeah true I might get overgrown and thieving relic just since I’m picking TMF
'only 12 hours of agility' and how many hours are you saving with herbs and thieving again? I don't know why agil is so unpopular
I'd want to be a mug made by 7 year old "volunatry" Chinese labourers in the Jaingsu Province. I'd also want there to be improperly formulated glaze on my ceramic material so that I'm not microwavable.
drinking mugs from my pug mug
I fucking love this content! Dudes fucking hilarious🤣
Oh yeah? well this one time, i a whole hotdog
Overgrown is for farming
Ain't no way u apologized for herb but said tree instead of three. I'm getting comment baited. Wp
Your leagues videos are great, your humour is dumb af, it is hilarious! Keep up the good work :)
Math is wrong it loots one npc times X, so you in theory still only achieve the same amount of pp ph, but the loot increases
The math was to show the potential loot for X amount of pickpockets because that’s how much loot you are getting
@@MrFrazzleDazzle Everything right except BS per hour, as it only rolls off one NPC not 11, but u get x11 loot from what u steal
Agility is the defacto wrong choice, thieving is god tier bait for losers, and friendly forager is overpowered. If they wanted to balance the relics a little better they should have swapped friendly forager and overgrown. Who needs 8 blood shards an hour when EVERYONE gets 95% charges saved for free. If I’m mistaken here, and charges on blood fury don’t count for the combat mastery passive, then there’s the other point, WHY would anybody taking fremmy use blood fury? You’ve already got passive healing that’s stronger than blood fury for going melee, and wouldn’t you want to use the rancor amulet with melee gear, or fremmy amulet if you go fremmy?
Only argument I’ve heard for thieving that’s good, is for thieving elves to solve crafting and smithing, and tbh those are already solved elsewhere.
Also if you think you’ll be thieving stalls at all with thieving relic, think again. If anybody without thieving relic tags the stall it breaks everyone else’s afk, and have to wait full respawn timer (confirmed not reduced like other skilling things will be)
I'm not disagreeing with - but the benefit of thieving relic is that it also gets you gems for crafting, and ores for smithing. Herb one only helps you with one skill. Just depends what your goal is in the league! If you want to do a ton of pvm and need pots for it, then herblore is the way to go. If you're looking for ranks and max cape, then thieving might overall speed that process up
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Blood shards aren’t saved this time, only weapon charges
cant go wrong with any of them. entirely region and preference based. too many calcs and bis discussion that people forget progression is a thing.
Because you can use BF until you manage to get the drop in Fremmy.
Plus thieving offers way more utility than just shards. It also helps with herblore, just in the form of seeds over herbs. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to save secondaries, but I’ll have so many herbs from seeds and raids that I don’t think it’s worth taking forager.
Never apologize like that again for pronouncing herb as herb or else . Thank u in advance
... my good man..