Fire in Space
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:39 P1, Fire is Star Wars-y
4:17 P2, Fire is Acolyte-y
7:54 P3, Fire is confirmation bias
11:30 Wrapping up
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Thanks again for being one of the voices of reason, you're such a breath of fresh air.
If you’re going to brag, lie, and try to force your activism for a mythical “Modern Audience”, you have to go, all in. Swapping races, genders, and canon are not enough. A hypothetical modern audience would not only look and have different beliefs, they would and are, in this case, considerably more educated about space. Most importantly, if you make it crystal clear that this is no longer George’s Star Wars, you lose all rights to fall back on, “Lucas did it, he had a vision that he adapted to space with the knowledge of what special effects excite the average movie goer. You have completely and publicly divorced yourself from what Star Wars was. Now you have to live with the consequences.
@@mkinkade7103 this one’s going straight into Comment Corner!
you don’t get to stop on George’s vision, insult your audience’s intelligence, and then pick and choose what ideas you want to keep. What is worse is creating racism where it doesn’t exist. The only people who have publicly attacked a group of people based on their race is Headland and her protagonist. Their interviews are the most racist, bigoted views regarding Star Wars fans in the history of Star Wars.
@@mkinkade7103 insert Garfield meme here
Am I the only one who chuckled when they heard the main characters name is OSHA, after seeing her working next to a fire in space
The Acolyte should be labelled Not Safe For Work...
A character called Osha being introduced committing an OSHA violation. It's so stupid, I have to love it
OSHA doesn't exist in Star Wars
@@AspelShuyin OSHA barely exists on Earth 😆
Frankly, it's definitely made me giggle every time we saw fire and heard her name.
There is no sound in space and yet Star Wars would be nothing without its iconic sounds in space.
This was my exact reaction. I was watching with my mom and I was like "what is BURNING, it's SPACE!" and then literally right after I was like "well to be fair we've definitely had lots of sound and explosions in space in this franchise already, so."
Anyways, if someone can't ignore it, just assume that the pipe that's burst is leaking the requisite oxygen and fuel I suppose.
have you considered: sound is Woke
first immediate sound that comes to mind is the sonic bombs from Boba Fett. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
In space, no one can hear you complain about there being a fire in space
Somebody needs to sell me sound that is anti-woke@@PillarofGarbage
"In my world, there's air in outer space, when I want it." - George Lucas.
A lot of people seem to forget that he said this.
People will obsess and pick apart literally everything Kathleen Kennedy has said for years, but Lucas can just decide that there's in space, and we all just go along with it.
fr Han walking around a meteor with some casual breathing mask and some slacks.
@@davidmhh9977 kind of, ppl gave Lucas a hard time as well, it's just post Disney sale the fans have turned him into this mythical figure... the same fans who wailed and moaned about Jar Jar and the Prequels.
@@davidmhh9977 In The Phantom Menace its established that Anakin was birthed through miraculous conception and force sensitivity is tied to eugenics and both were just tossed aside never to be addressed again.
@@LightsOnTrees this is the other aspect that's really grating. Since 99, the loudest voices in Star Wars are the people who aren't going to like anything that came out after they were 12.
People act like the franchise is in a crisis, but it's not. They just don't like it, and that's fine, but I just wish the "no fire in space" crowd would just accept that they aren't going to like whatever Disney comes out with, and move on. There are a ton of franchises ill never enjoy, but I'm not going to spend all of my time review bombing and watching hours of TH-cam videos
I’m gonna be honest, the fire in space didn’t even cross my mind until I saw this discourse. I just figured it was meant to imply an oxygen leak and didn’t think much of it.
But I mean shit, I guess I’m not watching the show with the executive goal of hating it.
"Are you a Star Wars fan?"
"No, I actually LIKE Star Wars."
@@BioGoji-zm5ph Well I certainly don't hate it. I remember a magic time when, if you were a Star Wars fan, you just hung out with your friends and talked about it. Maybe watches some movies, maybe played some tabletop games and read some books.
It's all way too high effort now, one way or another, fandom has become a job rather than a magical release from the mundane.
My husband and I didn't even think about it when we were watching the show until a review we watched mentioned it.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph Indeed. I remember watching a bit of a TH-camr "King Emperor Penguin" complaining that the First Order's command structure was dysfunctional. He apparently didn't realize dysfunctionality is practically baked into the Sith what with the whole "kill your master to ascend to their position." thing. And the Empire was already pretty dysfunctional in the OT, what with Vader off and killing imperial officers for the slightest failure. But him and know nothing know it alls like Zhan, seem to think the Empire has to be good to jack off their political views. Have you seen Corey's Data Pad on Outbound Flight and Zhan's views on the Iraq War? That's the Thrawn novel I read and in it Thrawn comes off as basically competent, when he isn't uber favored by the author.
@@BustermachineThat is one hundred percent on you and the people you hang out with. Don't spend any time on social media and don't click on videos from creators you don't recognize.
This case seems especially odd, because it doesn't seem too farfetched to believe that one of the canisters contains oxygen.
Might not look exactly like that in zero G, but I feel like it still makes sense to do it practically for such a short scene
non-oxygen oxidisers also exist
@@_Aarius_ Yeah, it's the whole reason why it was weird in Dead Space that the Flamethrower doesn't work in vacuum when the chemical mixture it's lore states it uses is one that can burn without oxygen, is why they changed that in later games.
Yes, Robot Head brought this up. He thinks it's bad for other reasons.
But see, this is a nothing-burger entirely.
Fire can exist in Space.
1. It doesn't exclusively need Oxygen as an agent, it just needs an _Oxidizer_ .
2. The inciting incident was broken ship parts, including, I think, pipes. Who knows what is in there.
The only unrealistic part of the fire was the shape of it looking like a campfire, and even that can be headcanoned away as "maybe the ship's artificial gravity is too weak for humans outside, but is just strong enough for very lightweight objects."
Thank you, i've been thinking this as well. It could very well be a fuel line of some sort, which could very well contain an oxidizer
Shhhh, the CHUDs can't handle Class D fires.
That and the fact it required a fire extinguisher, and it worked against what was probably a gas or plasma fire.
We've also seen fires in Star Wars before in space (well, mostly explosions). And depending on how you're defining "fire" you might be thinking, "well, stars are kind of like balls of fire."
Maybe the fire shouldn't have looked like that, but Jango Fett used "seismic charges" that destroyed several asteroids that weren't touching each other. Sending a shockwave through a vacuum.
Yeah this is probably one of the more realistic instances of fire in space that we’ve seen in Star Wars 😂
"Why is there fire in space?" Sobs man watching the Ships Exploding in Space franchise
Could it be that there is some kind of difference between a pressure vessel explosion and a campfire?
@TheDetectiveEngineer yes, a consistent oxidizer, like what the fire would be given if it were a leak on a set of pipes, perhaps
Oh, wait, that's exactly where the fire is, no way
@@divineterabyte5181 It's like there are difference in kinds of fire we have. Maybe it would have been better to make the distinction to which kind I was talking about.
Oh wait, I did. I specified it as a Campfire not a Jet Flame
@TheDetectiveEngineer and when there's nothing to hold the fire except the excess fuel stained to said pipes due to the leak, it'll look like the fire in the show. Just because your small, little brain wants a fuel fire to look one way, doesn't mean it actually will, fun fact!
@@divineterabyte5181i'm no scientist. So i wouldn't know.
But wouldn't it look more like a flamethrower than a campfire?
Fire exists in Space but that kind of campfire flame is hard to believe.
If Gas is constantly leaving wouldn't it be shooting everywhere it can.
So this is how criticism dies: With thunderous disregard. 🔥
It was never criticism in the first place. It's political dog whistling, wearing the cloak of criticism. That's what I take issue with: how cowardly and disingenuous it is.
@@SeekSomethingMore Got enough layers of tin foil for your hat there buddy?
@@Mondoness my condolences, it must be hard getting around being blind.
@@SeekSomethingMore Thats a pretty bigoted thing to say during Disability Pride month. You bigots are all the same.
BECAUSE STAR WARS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A REALISTIC FRANCHISE!
Wait, you telling me a series about space wizards fighting with laser swords isn't realistic?!
This is a universe where the group of space knights/samurai is lead by a frog looking alien who has a unique way of speaking, and, oh yeah, SPACESHIPS, SPACE TRAVEL AND ALIENS EXIST, but apparently people of color is too unrealistic
best documentary I've ever seen
Space wizards are real. Fire in space is where I draw the line. Lol.
@@tecpaocelotl remember a definitely non-zero percentage of these people believe in witches and black magic
"Oh my god, fire in space!"
-some dude in 1977, probably
Draft dodging hippies are ruining Flash Gordon
Yes, there was a critic in UK's Starburst magazine that built a career of that kind of comment
@@davidmhh9977This comment had my crying laughing. You win TH-cam today!
Rocket motors are literally fires in space. Burning without an atmosphere.
These people are utterly ignorant of reality.
Believe it or not, that was what a number of critics--including science fiction writers--were saying back in 1977.
Literally one of the only things i know about star wars is that they famously have explosions in space complete with fire and sound also the lasers go pew pew
there was a website, "atomic rockets" iirc, which talked about hard scifi. real laser weapons would look kinda like camcorders and would go bang. or rather the target would go bang (from the material vapourising)
@@RoamingAdhocrat At least visually, most weapons referred to as "lasers" in Star Wars tend not to be. The weapons on LAATs are, but most blasters and "turbolasers" have travel times that are not just observable, but observably arbitrarily fast. They can range from the speed of a baseball pitch to faster than any actual bullet from scene to scene, there's a more consistent tell of how long they're on screen for however far they need to travel.
This is one of the reasons why some people don't think you're supposed to take the visuals (or audio) in Star Wars at face value.
In reference material, some of these weapons may be "charged particle beams," "plasma-based" or any number of other descriptions, it's a big Galaxy, so I don't even care when to sources describing what's allegedly the same technology say something different, because not everything should have to work on the same principles here.
I love Star Wars ships. Weapons go pew pew. Engines make growly sounds. Big wobbly boys land on itty bitty metal feet. All the soft science good things
@@1000g2g3g4g800999 iirc Turbolasers at least have the excuse of in-universe marketing gimmics because "Lasers" are considered to sound cooler than the proper name.
"I wanted to watch a space show because it has awesome laser swords!"
"It has that"
"But the people holding them aren't whi~~~~~te!"
"What?"
"I mean... fire in space is stupid"
Leia back from her space swim.... ''Hey you can hear EVERYTHING out there!''
Well, they hate that too (God forbid anyone doing something interesting OR OBVIOUS AND WISHED UPON coughcoughLeiaUsingTheForce) in Star Wars.
@@Lunictd And if you wish (order one) for a pizza capricciosa and got a burned something with pineapple on it but without tomato sauce you would not complain? Interesting. I think people have the right to complain if something is made really bad. Even if the in general wished for the thing. And the scene was a lot. Interesting is not something many people would use in a positive way.
@@DieselsVideos
True, but consider: if you ordered a pizza capricciosa and got a burned something with pineapple and no tomato sauce, but immediately went on a rant about how these darn indigenous rights people were shoehorning Hawaiian themes into your good honest food, people would rightly look at you a bit funny about it.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 Of course they would. That is the reason why I complain about the chef, the restaurant and the owner who let this person in the kitchen. And tell the guy who defends the chef becaus "Burned with pinapple is interesting" that he speaks bullcrap.
"has something to do with what you want" is a standard shitty argument as soon as someone called out bad stuff in star wars. Using the force is one thing. using the force to survive getting thrown into space through an explosionto marry poppins back into the ship for someone who never showed more than a not totally vague feeling as force power is not only a little much... it's really bad shit because the writers are lazy as f*ck and don't thing further than cheap short spectacle for the next 1.5 minutes.
I remember Star Wars explained to use a quote that Star Wars isn’t written like hard sci-fi but almost in a fairytale in how it plays with things like how you can breathe in space like in episode 5, which, yeah just shows Star Wars has never cared about being “realistically” when it comes to how it space works
Nor should it - Star Wars has never cared for anything Lucas would bend it when it suited him and that fine. Not all sci-fi needs to be hard and vice versa
fr it's high fantasy, and yet people watch it expecting Star Trek, or The Foundation.
It’s fantasy in a space setting. Not all sci-fi are plausible scientifically anyway.
@@LightsOnTrees I feel like foundation is closer to Star Wars than Star Trek. I felt very intimidated to read foundation but then when I finally did, I was like oh this is Star Wars. I will say it did kind of bother me that there was coal and oil on other planets.
My space wizards with laser swords series is serious! For reals!
Exactly! When you got space teddy bears helping the rebels defeat the empire, anything can go!
WHAT IF.
That fire did not trigger a flashback for Osha. She was just so stunned that there is fire in space that she could not look away from it.
Well naturally. And the screams she was hearing was just her listening to the screams of all the Star Wars "fans" losing their goddamned brains over it.
Physics is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
I would to see the conversation with he rest of the crew
Pretty sure rockets exist in Star Wars, so nobody should be stunned by fire in space...then again rockets exist in our world and people are still surprised fire can exist in space.
@@IsaacKuo gets it
I gave up caring about these “controversies” when people complained about a character based off a real person in a historical franchise that has *GODAMN ANCIENT ALIENS!*
God, the entire Assassins Creed Shadows shit storm these types are having over Yasuke is so annoying.
On the bright side it means that they aren't being shitty towards Naoe.
@@jtlego1 I'm not up to date with assassins creed, nor do I plan on being updated with the franchise any time soon, and as such, am completely out of the loop with regards to "controversies".
However, what I do know is that "yasuke" being a protagonist, if indeed there is valid and clear historical proof he was a samurai, does at the very least contain a political motif.The writers are specifically choosing a black guy, though historical, within a japanese setting to portray their story. They also chose to follow the line of logic that there was a "village of ninjas" and that ninjas were martial artists, clearly following hollywood tropes rather than actual history which contradicts this.
The metatron has made some videos regarding Yasuke and the assassins creed franchise in general, explaining the actual history behind the actual setting and characters. The controversy isn't just about race, highly likely, it's just more of the same arguments against superficial race politics within entertainment and specifically historical entertainment. It's not just racists spouting hate.
Assassins creed, from it's inception, has always walked the line between historical authenticity and science-fiction/fantasy. In recent years, that line has dissapeared more and more until the latter element became more important than the former, to the series' detriment, in my opinion. Yasuke fits somewhere along this trend, but more so his companion. Where the audience draws the line is largely subjective, but there ARE decent arguments to be made that suggest this new evolutiong is detrimental.
To understand why yasuke is considered problematic is to also understand why adewale wasn't considered like that. Adewale's introduction happened in an age when media wasn't suspect yet (if it was, it was suspect of tropes from the OTHER side of the narrow-minded political spectrum.) His introduction also happened within a setting wherein he made sense.
One question one could ask is: suppose yasuke was white (I mean both historically and within the game), and the game used him as a protagonist, wouldn't it make sense for people to give this choice some backlash, not because of "white = bad" mentality, but because of the idea that having a foreign protagonist be the main character in a japanese setting is not really something the franchise has attempted so far. It can be considered colour-blind, maybe even colonialist. Why not simply use ANY other japanese samurai figure from this period? Why SPECIFICALLY Yasuke? The answer is always the same: the choice wasn't made because the writers thought it would improve the story. The choice was made for virtue signaling. And people have a problem with this sort of stuff being all over media everywhere.
I personally don't really give a crap about this "controversy", in the sense that I wasn't gonna be playing their games to begin with, no matter their virtue signaling or lack thereof. But it IS important to see this sort of stuff from all perspectives, rather than just proclaim the controversy to be racist and end it on that note.
@@RedFloyd469Lol. Classic long winded attempt to excuse people's low-key racism. Personally I don't think most of the people complaining THINK racist things. But their bias is showing. The ENTIRE concept of virtue signalling that is used by people like this to attack franchises with non-white protagonists or any other type of diversity is just a fig leaf for them to explain away their feelings
It's cognitive dissonance. They're not consciously racist but for some reason they pretty much consistently are upset when franchises become more diverse. Since there's an obvious but extremely uncomfortable answer, racism, their subconscious scrambled to find some other reasonable justification for their feelings. The answer is, "virtue signalling", which has historically been called "pandering to special interests." Those interests being "racial minorities."
There's a long history of everyday racist people who can't admit they're racist coming up with every excuse under the sun as to why they opposed some sort of racial justice initiative. Contrary to popular belief, most racist movements of the past didn't frame themselves as being openly racist and hateful. They all saw themselves as "reasonable" people who just wanted to prevent "unfair outcomes for white kids" or "special treatment for minorities" or " the soft bigotry of low expectations." But always their aim was to prevent some sort of advancement or change for POC. The idea that "virtue signalling" or any other confected "issue" is the real reason these people are upset is historically aberrant and would need a shit tonne of data to back it up because it would be the very first time that it's really been "not about race."
I was literally in a Convo with a guy on Reddit that claimed that the reason that they don't like him id cause black people don't believe black people belong in games. I tried asking around in right wing echo chambers about this and they were all equally as racists asthe past, there's no other way around it this is the only motivation these tourists have for this controversy. Any other thoughts about it about them is just wishful thinking.@@RedFloyd469
@@RedFloyd469
We have white Samurais in videogames all the time (Nioh, for example) and the controversies were not as big, there were white samurais, just like there was a black one, but one became a big controversy and the other ones didn't, I wonder why...
Also Metatron is a raging homophobe/transphobe, I wouldn't trust anything he says because he clearly has an agenda (he made a video about how Ancient Greece didn't accept homosexuality despite all the evidence that it did)
Watching your channel and people like you makes me feel sane
All the dudes calling this the end of Star Wars will say the same thing when the next Star Wars thing comes out and the next after that. At some point, I have to wonder when they will notice it is in fact not ending.
Watch next episode. Star Wars is dead.
@@DarksideGmss0513 You'll be the only one crying if you stop watching. Bye!
- Is what I say to those people.
Edited for clarity
@@DizzyBusy I dunno how to take this. But let me give a little context to what I meant first before you fly off the handle. That's what these people will say episode. Star Wars is Dead. But if it's truly dead why are they still watching i
@@DarksideGmss0513 Sorry, I was adding up to what you wrote. I'll edit the comment
Grifters: “Somehow Star Wars has returned.”
“Digging a hole that augurs disaster” is an absolutely brilliant turn of phrase
The discourse regarding this show is rotting my fucking brain
Me too, and I am not even watching it.
@@samfilmkid watch it, trust 🙏
Don't ask questions. Just consume product then get excited for next product.
@@SourRobo8364 what if I don’t care to watch it
I got better things to do
@@SourRobo8364 The "Discourse" is also a Product. It is worth questioning this as well. There is money to be made in an attention economy with Angertainment.
I love this channel. I've been having almost the exact same discussion on the comment section of a Forbes blog most of this week. Thank you for providing a sane voice and fresh perspective. Watching this video was like a breath of fresh air.
Also, it's valid and plausible to see that fire. We can see gas pipes leaking and it's pretty safe to assume there would be oxygen and a flammable gas. Add the clear sparks near those ducts and fire is mostly realistic in that case.
Isn't there fire in space in the opening of revenge of the sith and also in the end of phantom menace?
yep
Every space battle in Clone Wars ends with spaceships burning as though they were made of wood. Probably because smoke and fire were easier to animate than a million pieces of debris.
There's fire in space whenever a spaceship moves, because that's how rocket thrusters work.
Reminds me of the time some fans threw a hissy fit over the opening of The Last Jedi, when bombs fall and Rose's sister dies. Or that floating Leia scene.
Pretty convenient how concern for "scientific accuracy" only comes up when there's women/POC involved.
Rose’s sister was so badass. She should’ve been the typical hero in a Hollywood movie, but since she’s a woman of colour…😢
@@mhawang8204she kinda looked like Caroline kwan a little idk
The bomb falling complaint always seemed particularly odd to me. In that scene we literally see her fall in the bomber beforehand showing it has artificial gravity. Also there are bombs dropped on asteroids in Empire Strikes back. (In general the gravity on that asteroid makes zero sense, not that it matters). Also I’m pretty sure the deep lore (visual guides or whatever a place where Star Wars fans traditionally get additional lore) says those bombers have magnet tracks or something to launch bombs.
Also, by the logic people apply to that scene, the gravity on the Invisible Hand in the opening of RotS is equally silly/inconsistent.
So I guess what I’m saying is in Star Wars consistent rules of gravitation are always playing second fiddle to action/set-pieces/drama.
@@AK-tr6lo I think the bomb falling thing is silly not because the bombs are falling, but because there's no reason to fly right over the star destroyer and get shot to death when there's nothing stopping you from turning your spaceship to the side or at an angle and "dropping" the bombs from there like shooting a bullet from a cannon.
@@saucevc8353 it’s a little silly, but I personally don’t think it’s much more silly than most Star Wars ship battles. If nothing else you can probably concoct a lore theory that it needed to be on or near that particular spot to destroy the dreadnaught.
Also, the attack there being a bad idea/not tactically sound/a bit of a Pyrrhic victory is explicitly called out in the text of the movie.
Granted if that particular tactical issue is a bridge too far for you, fair enough. I am more than happy to agree to disagree.
Fire in space is silly, just like loud explosions and shots where all the spaceships are oriented the same direction. I like nitpicking these sorts of things, but I can also look past them at the actual intent of the work.
Sound is for the audience experience. Leia didn't come in from her space swim like... ''Hey you can hear EVERYTHING out there! This fire was for the writers. Lazy effort to advance the plot.
It's WITH the force not BY the force or whatever
At least the explosions are cool. This fire looks like shit.
Pretty sure George Lucas made it clear science wasn't important the minute he wrote into the script "The ship made the Kessel Run in 12 Parsecs."
Everyone has since told Lucas parsecs are not a unit of measurement for distance and he could have, if he really wanted to, fixed that in every special edition.
The fact he has fixed Greedo shooting first but not the parsec line shows that science was never on Lucas' mind.
And as you so demonstrated in this video: that's fine. It's a choice that was made to fit a style that paid homage to the films that influenced Star Wars and nobody cared then.
Parsec is a measurement of length. I think you meant to say parsecs are not a unit of measurement of time like the script implies
@@annaairahala9462 Yes, that is true. I misquoted from the source who told me that. Whoops. ^^;;;
Thanks for the correction! ^^
The fact that other shows that are named "The Acolyte" is getting reviewed bomb as well. Definitely proving it's harshest critics are trustworthy
Honestly I think reviews moreso nowadays are a worthless metric on a quality of a great deal of items that depend on the taste of the viewer tbh, especially when Review bombing is a thing, my statement feels more vindicated.
But how do you know that is review bombing and not just people leaving a rating for the wrong show? On letterboxd I sometimes add a show that has the same name as a show that I watched to the list of shows I have watched, and rate it, thinking it is the show that I watched. Only to later discover that I was wrong. If enough people do that, it would look like it review bombing. But is it? How do you know?
@@SeekSomethingMore This is like the most obvious case of review bombing ever. If this show hasn't been review bombed, no show has.
@@cass7448 What makes it obvious? How can you tell the difference between a low score and a score that has been influenced by review bombing?
@@SeekSomethingMore Hey just complete this sentence quickly for me: "If The Acolyte was being review-bombed, I would observe that..."
Lmfao love the title. That "controversary" was hilarious.
Yeah
"I can accept that in a far off galaxy, there are telekinetic and telepathic space wizards with laser swords who can defeat an entire army of gun-wielding troops, but FIRE IN SPACE COMPROMISES MY SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF!!"
it wasnt cool, it was stupid. so it gets dragged
i definitely don't have any ulterior motives or such a fragile grasp on my own well being that the Space Wizard show is everything that's wrong.
@@qtindavis433 what even is that argument, "it wasnt cool, it was stupid" what are you 8?
@@LightsOnTrees the susbject at hand is suspension of disbelief. if your tiny brain cant process that, then you might have the intellect of someone that is 8. if the thing witnessed in entertainment is cool. it is accepted. if it isnt it is deemed stupid and gets dragged.
explosions in space is cool. a visible 'camp' fire while in a spacw suit isnt.
@@qtindavis433 It’s wild that you called someone else tiny brained. I see that you edited your comment, but didn’t bother to go back to capitalize your sentences, use apostrophes, or fix the misspellings. Honestly, I think you might be the 8-year-old.
I knew the “discourse” had become a joke when fans flipped out over an actor on “Acolyte” saying Anakin blew up the Darth Star and not Luke. He probably just misspoke and even if he didn’t, someone being in Star Wars doesn’t mean they have to know about every piece of lore, especially if it doesn’t relate to their character who existed a hundred years before anybody else in the series did. Know who else wasn’t a fan of Star Wars when they were making it? The original cast!
pretty sure harrison ford fucking hates star wars, or at least is indifferent to it. When a fan asked whether han or greedo shot first, he responded "who the fuck cares" or something along those lines. Yet he was a huge part of why star wars is as beloved as it is.
@@rishabhanand4973 People tend to hold certain role for a person as their most important thing in they're life when for them it's just another job. Honestly I think the Joker is a more important role to Mark than Luke ever was
@@lightdarksoul2097 Considering Mark Hamill is a prolific voice actor, yet he never decided to voice Luke in any of the games or animated stuff, even the one that had Billy Dee Williams in.
Hard to believe he wasn't asked, or even that the money wasn't high enough for some of those projects, kinda have to assume that he wasn't interested in doing it.
I've seen two different sets of interviews with him and one seems to be a few days later, as he also says that he did get hate for saying it before.
So what I find a bit ignorant is, that, if he has simply misspoken, he clearly has noticed the hate and had time to understand the criticism, research about it and even admit to his mistake, instead he doubled down on it. Saying yet again that Anakin blew up the Death Star.
Again, I'm unsure if that second interview really was a few days later, but if it was, I'd say that was very unprofessional of the actor
@@sirpauli7305 Stewing the pot
There was a fire in space
1/10 show, ruined my childhood 😢
Clearly I can never enjoy any Star Wars related media ever again now and have thus no choice but to commit sudooku.
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 :(
Lol
In a franchise of wizards with telekineses and laser swords, starships, witches, space stations that blow up planets, and aliens that look like they were made of Play-Do…
Fire in space is where you draw the line?
You don’t understand how this works. We assume our ’folk theories’ apply, i.e. our intuitions how stuff works. Then, the fantastic setting invites us to accept all sorts of outlandish proposals, and we accept them as part of suspension of disbelief. However, that breaks down for things that are sit between these things. The creators have to make it a point, for ordinary things, or we are going to assume it’s the same as we know.
Then there is something else going on. Star Wars is a romatic era depiction of space, which was common understanding up until the space age (that is, the 1969). Star Wars came out 77, and it’s deliberately old fashioned. Artistic choice already. Disney failed here, because they gave the protagonist a NASA style space suit. Perhaps it was easier in 77 and 80 too (e.g. going into space with casual clothing and a breathing mask to clean off Mynocks, and what is a space slug eating on an asterioid, and what are the teeth for?)
While I think the talking point is overblown, it was nontheless hamfisted and poorly done. Clearly, they wanted a PTSD moment, so they wanted the flames to reflect in the NASA helmet (the helmet design is more an issue to me). Could have easily made the fire more oxygen fueled, and not look like a campfire, and find another way there.
Anyway, Disney made heavy-handed hate-marketing right out of the gate, again, and made it all about “culture war” and a perfect mirror of right-wing tactics - anything is good that triggers the deplorables. Alas, the obtuseness is through the roof on all sides. Disney is clearly feeding this, the Right Wing pundits milk this - and that’s the whole schtick here. It’s just troll marketing! And then you have obtuse dumbsters who ignore all of this context. Maybe it works for Disney, but it’s nontheless very strange what they are doing, and nobody can tell me this is normal.
@@AnerisianWhy is sound in space not a bridge too far then? Intuitively there's no fire in space, but no sound either. We shouldn't ever hear engines or lasers in any scene shot outside a ship.
@@roycampbell586 Once again, it’s not about realism or “bridge too far”. If you really want to look at this angle, then flames extinguishing without air is everyday life - heard of candles - and so is that things make sound.
But that’s unimportant, also the excuses served up here (which are somewhat ridiculous): what we saw here is a campfire in space that flickered and burned like … a campfire. The other stuff you saw are explosions. Yes, there are flames, but explosions signify “stuff blows up”. Are you Americans with your culture war BS so locked into this that you really cannot see where others are coming from? Come on. It’s not that hard.
Again, I didn’t find this a big deal, like previous whining about Leia surviving space (see Han and Leia in the space slug). But when Disney goes in antagonising the fans, because that hate-troll marketing is worth millions free attention and advertising, an audience just don’t get invested in the story anymore, and then there’s no suspension of disbelief and then every dumb thing sticks out, and a campfire in space is just an easy target that easily goes viral. Maybe it was planned by Disney that way - wouldn’t surprise me.
You forgot zombies, vampires, and gods.
I went over to the chuds' reaction. Their problem seems to be how crappy the fire looks.
If you puncture a pressurized hull then the atmosphere inside will stream outwards, and in the small space around the hole, combustion can absolutely happen, and even be maintained for as long as the atmosphere is slipping out the hole. All you need for combustion is a mixture of an oxidizer (oxygen in air), and an oxidizable compound (say methane for example), and a spark. Have all three of those, and you will get a whoooomp. Have that mixture replenishing itself through a hole, and you get a continuing flame.
Not only is that very basic sort of fire, which is how every natural gas flame in your furnace or fireplace or stovetop works, there is another kind of fire that works perfectly well in a vacuum. Hint, it's how actual rockets work, how gunpowder works as well. Plenty of compounds contain their own oxidizers, and if they get a spark or a heat input big enough, they burst into flame by themselves, and keep burning until the compound is consumed. This is why guns fire in space or under water, the gunpowder contains its own oxidizer. Rocket motors are usually fuelled with 'hypergolic mixtures', which are compounds that when brought together, burst into flame/explode all by themselves. There are plenty of videos on YT about rocket motors and hypergolic mixtures.
As usual the anti-woke cretins are not just jerks, but wrong.
So you are saying we can have a Campfire in a vacuum and in zero-g if we have fuel and an oxidizer?
@@TheDetectiveEngineer A 'campfire'? no. A fire? absolutely, it will look funny though, there are videos on YT showing experiments with fire in space.
BTW, by definition, if an oxidizer and a fuel are there, it isn't a 'vacuum' anyway. Vacuums are empty, ya know? By definition?
Rockets usually don’t use hypergolic fuels because they are very dangerous because, they’re toxic and corrosive. instead rockets actually use Things such as kerosene, hydrogen, or methane as fuel and will usually use liquid oxygen as an oxidizer as it is less dangerous, although cryogenic as with Hydrogen and methane and some other other method to get it to start burning sorry for going into too much detail and rockets but most rockets don’t actually use hypergolic fuels.
What will happen when you tell Star Wars fans that explosions in space also don't actually have any sound? gasp!
You also wouldn't hear the pew pew of space battles, nor the explosion.
Thank you so much for pointing this out so we didn't have to. This whole time, I'm listening to a bunch of otherwise-sensible people making all these criticisms -- fire in space, the Force by a different name, immaculate birth, Jedi corruption and potential cover-up, witch-magic -- we have seen literally all of those before in Star Wars. But *NOW* they're problematic?
Where did we see witch magic? I know we've seen the Jedi, and one can assume that there could be other groups like the Jedi. But I think people 's criticism is partly of the idea of having witches in Star Wars. The Jedi is something unique to Star Wars that exist nowhere else, even if they are inspired by things that exist in our society. But witches are literally a transplant from our society. It just feels unoriginal and lazy. I'm surprised they didn't call one of them. Sabrina.
@@SeekSomethingMore the Night Sisters of Dathomir? They appeared in The Clone Wars, Rebels, Ahsoka, the Jedi Survivor games, and have deep ties to Darth Maul's story. In fact it is heavily implied that this group of witches in The Acolyte are some kind of splinter group (or possibly predecessor?) of the Night Sisters.
@@andrebetita I heard they were created by Filoni, and were inspired by his wife, who is a witch. My point stands.
"So you want the franchise to tell stories that are more grounded and mature?"
"Ayup."
"While also giving you the *exact* same feelings of youthful wonder you had watching the older movies as a kid?"
"Damn straight!"
"Anything else?"
"You better not try to make it Woke!"
"What does that even mean?"
"I don't have to explain it, I just know it when I see it!"
Intersectionality, Critical theory, DEI.
@@reinhardt3090 So brown people and women?
@reinhardt3090 so media analysis and ir any subjective film lenses that make you uncomfortable 🤦♂️
What a breath of fresh air of an essay! Thank you!
There really needs to be more and bigger discussions on the toxic fan base. When they stay louder they can write everything off as “just using it to shield criticism.”
Everyone knows that space is filled with Luminiferous Aether, why is everyone freaking out about fire in space?
Phlogiston exists in a galaxy far, far away.
@@dngillikin
Star Wars would be over real f-ing quick if the Galaxy was full of that stuff.
I have been a Star Wars fan my whole life (along with X-Men, so eh... pretty great 2024 so far) and I still find it astounding how little people actually know about the og trilogy that they profess to be the guardians of.
Most of the people doing this kind of complaining aren't even fans of the things they're criticising. They just want in on the drama.
It's been a grift going for years now.
ive actually been trying to figure out if acolyte is actually any good or not or if its just the usuall Star Wars Bad crowd and i actually saw someone try to claim that the concept of force sensitivity wasnt invented until the Prequels with Midichlorians and that prior to that anyone could be a jedi with training and im just like, you should try reading the novelization of ANH because it was definitely a thing all the way back then. i still dont know if this show is any good and i hate that these grifters have ruined discussion of star wars and x-men. i wish they would return to the *chan quarantine and isolate from the rest of us
@@SAVarXX just watch for yourself and enjoy. Screw the rage bait.
@@SAVarXXme, too. I even made a Reddit thread about it, and got shouted down for that by SW fans. There is good content out there about it, though, you just have to curate your sources. I'll post some in the Reddit thread when I have time.
Conservative reactions to this show really clarified for me why we see such condescending writing, like in The Last Airbender live-action series, so often. Like “we better explain everything at the beginning, we can’t leave any mystery or intrigue. The audience has to know everything right away, instead of letting them learn things as we go.” Because, at least for the conservatives in the audience, a lot of them truly need it. They need the show to hold their little hands, or else they’ll start complaining that the show is confusing and makes no sense. Truly, a lot of them wouldn’t be able to handle the original ATLA show.
You gotta be kidding me. This show has just as much exposition and looks even cheaper than that crap Netflix ATLA.
You want the conservatives to win the culture war? Defending crap shows like this is a how to.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom This show is completely and utterly inoffensive to anyone who isn't looking to hate it thus far. I don't care if you like it or don't, but everyone saying it's completely terrible, if anything, are the ones kind of in their own bubble.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom you don't know what exposition is.
@@1000g2g3g4g800999 I get the memo, no one hates SW more than SW fans. They're especially excited when it's less focused on straight white males.
But beyond the clickbait rage, this IS a crappy show. That's why it's not dying off.
@@TrentGgrims You gonna info dump me on what exposition is?
Just starting the video, but I already wanna play advocate to fire in space being plausible. The main point here is that we don't know exactly how the burning parts are built or what they are built from.
There is some sort of smoke (i.e. some gas) happening at the same time, so how can we be sure there isn't some oxygen gas or breathing air mixture feeding the fire? Another point is that fire doesn't need "oxygen" in the every day sense (O2 gas, a molecule), it needs an oxydizer to provide it with oxygen atoms. Normal fire usually uses said oxygen gas as such, but fires from a material like magnesium are so reactive that it can use things like sand, water, and carbon dioxide as oxydizers, ripping their oxygen atoms right out. This is why guns work in spacez gunpowder uses a solid oxydizer which is included in a cartridge. It is possible that the components on fire are made from something that can use unconventional oxydizers, and the fire sustains itself because things that weren't supposed to touch did at the worst time.
Now, would something like this look like it does in the episode or other moments in SW? Probably not, but I won't listen to people complaining about "unrealistic" whose relevant scientific knowledge begins and ends with "fires need oxygen, for reasons".
Maybe ''blue fire'' or even ''green sparkly fire'' but not smores roasting crackling campfires 🔥! Somehow the most realistic flames in the show were on that hull.
Most of these guys can't even get past the hurdle of "use words correctly" when they make their arguments, especially when they try to repeat the same big fancy words that end in "-ly" like "objectively" and "explicitly". It's like getting into an argument with Burz gro-Khash from Oblivion.
People were upset that there was fire in space.......in STAR WARS?!
I have to "Umm ACK-cherly" a bit and point out you don't need air, just an oxidizer, and you can have a fire in space if a fuel and an oxidizer mix. It doesn't last long and tends to be low and flicker very rapidly, but it can happen. Two pipes feeding a fuel and an oxidizer because of, say, some sort of damage could result in a fire. Now if only the scene had showed something like that...
Thank you. One of the few people who actually understands science.
I feel like people complaining about fire in space in a franchise known for having fire in space is a pretty good metaphor for every controversy the “anti-woke” tries to prop up.
Female protagonists in sci-fi were okay but if you have one now it’s forced diversity. Black characters were okay but if you add anymore it’s forced diversify. Explosions in space fight were allowed to exist in the old Star Wars because it made things exciting, but now if you have so much as a fire in space, then that’s a sign of bad the show is written. It’s like they set this arbitrary point in history where all media made past that point must abide by these arbitrary rules of what they can or can’t do or else they get labeled woke propaganda (not that most people care).
Maybe if the corporations behind these franchises didn't explicitly endorse "forced diversity" it wouldn't be a talking point
But what if they *are* done badly? Like, imagine watching a musical and the singers fail to hit the notes right.
Yes, a fireball explosion in space is silly but, yes, the rule of cool permits it!
I think it's because we've never seen an actual space battle. I think our minds just pull references from aerial dogfights and naval battle in which fireball explosions do occur.
The problem with the fire in the scene is that it resembles a campfire. Like it was shot on studio than actually in space.
@@yamiyugi2894 cause forced diversity doesn't exist unless you're racist
So true, thank you!
@@yamiyugi2894 You meant "implicitly", my dude. "Explicitly" means that the corporations (presumably you mean one of their spokespeople) just came out and said "we endorse forced diversity", specifically, with no ambiguity, which has never happened in the history of ever.
See, this is why nobody takes you seriously. Because you say these big words that the trash merchants you follow also use because you think they make you sound smart and none of you actually know what any of them mean, like "objectively". It's also the only reason it's a talking point at all, because the only people to repeat something so stupid would be the idiots that came up with it.
Thank you for ignoring the debate and asking why it’s occurring in the first place
There's no room for honesty anymore in any way in the current age of hate grifters.
And they are everywhere permeating all of fandom it seems like.
There never was.
@@DarksideGmss0513 I used to roll my eyes as the use of this phrase, but the 40k phrase fandom has a term for this, 'Tourist', someone who claims to be hardcore fan but isn't nearly as invested as they claim they are.
I rolled my eyes, because I think gatekeeping fandom is silly . . . But also, I think that's a lot of what we're seeing.
@@Bustermachine Yeah. I'll be glad when community notes get added. YT put out a blog post about it on Monday
My response to fire in space: *It's Star Wars.*
A lot of folks made the decision to hate this show long before the first episode aired. I call them the "hate brigade". They get louder and more unhinged with every new show. They don't even really care whether the show is actually good or bad, they've just decided to complain about anything and everything they can. We even saw it with the recent Fallout show.
It took me far too long to realize Osha was the character's name, and not her profession (putting out fires...OSHA....).
They put the actors right next to an alien in a story happened in a galaxy far, far away… and yet they’re still complaining about Asian, black, female actors being cast. They’re all aliens!! Get over it. 🤦♀️
"How is there fire in space in my Magic people with Laser swords franchise?"
It's sci-fi, you're allowed to make up what ever rule you want.
Star Wars
Is not
And has never been
The Expanse
And that is ok.
And even the Expanse isn't that realistic!
Where are my giant radiator wings, Corey! Huh?! XD
@@Bustermachine The Expanse, the gritty realistic sci fi show with a plot that revolves around... made-up alien goo that does whatever the plot needs it to.
@@Bustermachine It's almost like it's a real pain in the ass to include every last change from planetbound life to outer space. Hell, the Martian's whole plot is set off by a meteorological abomination: namely the wind storm. IRL Mars' atmosphere is so thin Whatney wouldn't get his suit damaged, and the whole book wouldn't happen.
It's especially egregious because the system she was repairing caused a "pressure valve" to blow. Pressurized gasses flowing out into space can create a small area where fire is possible, depending on what gasses were in those pressurized pipes. I went into the episode sight-unseen to the fire in space controversy and as soon as I saw the fire the first time, I was like, "Oh, clever, it's fire in space, but they went out of their way to justify it in the dialogue." even outside of the stylistic choices of WW2 in space/Flash Gordon, the presence of fire in absence of oxygen is not, actually, an impossibility. This is a case of people thinking they know everything, and not realizing their knowledge is incomplete. A valley in that one graph of confidence measured against knowledge.
And the idea that fire in space shouldn't look like a campfire, even if it's technically possible for fire to exist in certain circumstances, well, I've never seen what fire in microgravity looks like myself. So while the filmmakers could design a special effect to mimic what fire in space would actually look like, it's an alternative to just... using fire, and not having to spend even more dialogue explaining why the fire looked weird seems like the best decision.
This is mostly unrelated to the key point of the video, but the fact that ships and presumably the death star don't get instantly vaporized and instead explode in all directions is terrifying. None of that shrapnel, from the largest chunks to the tiniest sliver, will decelerate till they hit something. One exploding ship could theoretically cause a chain reaction of failing ships. On top of that if you're a freaking fighter pilot in space flying at breakneck speeds and your ship stops working, you're just going to keep going, pretty much at that speed, and we've seen these things crash into each other. could you imagine an explosion the size of a fucking moon, where the pieces are all flying at basically the same velocity they launched at... how the hell does anyone just... fly away from that? AND THEY DID IT TWICE. Galactic Cruisers turned to space debris. They better have some fancy technology to clean that up, otherwise every habitable sector that's ever been contested with a space dogfight will become nightmarish micro asteroid fields.
One of my favorite sayings is, "Some people wake up angry and spend the rest of the day picking a reason why." This applies to these folks. They go into it wanting to hate it, then spend the whole time nitpicking every detail just to find something to hate on. Confirmation bias just like you say.
“I’ve been looking forward to this…”
Damn you beat me to it
I am not going to lie, I watched the show's first episode completely blind and my first reaction was also "fire in space?"
I notice these people usually shut up when you ask them why the gravity on every body, from asteroid to planet, is exactly the same.
Don't forget that there are hundreds of alien species from a hundred different planets, yet for the most part, every single one of them can breathe on almost any other planets atmosphere. It doesn't matter if Glorpschlop was born on planet Bleepborp with a very specific atmosphere his species evolved to breathe, he can go to any planet, from Coruscant to Tatooine to Hoth, and there are not troubles whatsoever. In the real world, if you go high enough on a planet, the atmosphere becomes thinner and you can't breathe it as well, yet Coruscant is a city with over 5000 levels to it, and everyone is fine no matter what level they're on.
Science applies to Star Wars when people want to criticise it. It's the same for those people who complained how bombs could drop in space without gravity, yet don't question how every starship in space, a place with no gravity, is always on the same alignment (ie. Why are all of the X-Wings and TIE Fighters perfectly lined up as if there was gravity, rather than one side looking like they're aligned sideways?). No one questions sounds in space, exploding starships, gravity on every planet being the same, every atmosphere being breathable to every species, but no, the open fire is what gets them.
So glad someone is finally saying it. The Acolyte, without getting too into it, I have just straight up enjoyed so far. I’m right wing, have despised some star wars projects in the past, and i’m left going “wait a minute, so we’re just supposed to hate EVERYTHING now?”
The conservative movement is based entirely around always having something to hate. It’s how they motivate their followers to do anything. If you think that’s stupid (because it is) maybe you should reassess which political affiliation you want to have.
@@gadget2622 If only life were black and white, right and wrong
@@gadget2622the conservative movement is based more on traditional hierarchy than hate, hate is just a component that comes in at times.
@@geoffreygill5849Life is much easier if you don't label yourself. That way, people have to put in time and effort to critique what you say or do. For some time I felt that disney would be better off doing spinoff material than mainline movies but I only ever liked Rogue one, and didnt like solo at all, but I feel i would've liked solo more if I wasnt a star wars fan but that sounds like a backhanded compliment. I never really liked any of the disney canon/ disney star wars in general. At least artists are getting paid, which is nice.
I don’t really care for this show, but I’m going to continue watching. I wasn’t in love with Andor at first, but it became one of my favorites in the whole franchise. I absolutely LOVE Russian Doll. I don’t expect this to completely win me over, but as long as it ends up better than Book of Boba Fett, I’ll be satisfied.
It took until this moment where you said that OSHA is dealing with FIRE in a WORK SPACE for me to put that together XD
I really liked the show and thought Star Wars fans would admit that it was "decent" but my hopes for this fandom were too high.
IKR. I keep quietly hoping with each new SW project that it'll trigger a change in the tide but NOPE, literally every new concept requires some form of vitriol to the point of complete and utter monotony. Makes you wonder why they don't all just leave the fandom already, or y'know, talk about what they actually LIKED. Oh wait, positivity doesn't equal money with these people, my bad. 🙄
I personally wasn't a big fan of the 3 episodes I've seen, but that just means it's not a show for me, not that it's a woke garbage fire that should never have been made.
But hey, grifters gonna grift.
@@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose It's funny they still call themselves fans when all they talk about is how much they hate Star Wars.
@@steve94183 And you just *know* the irony of that is lost on them.
Didn't have the time to check out the series yet but looking forward to getting around to it. I've always liked the supplementary media and novels where Star Wars went a bit more wonky and off the beaten path and what I've heard of the show reminds me of that. Honestly my main complaint of most Star Wars content this past decade is that it's too formulaic and afraid to explore some more out-there concepts.
I'm not one for grouping people for hot (not sure if the pun is intended) takes on weird sci-fi franchises and dividing them but can those jabronis stay in their "act like the biggest gatekeepers while knowing sh!t about anything" little goblin holes and leave the rest of us enjoy totally fine even cool series playing the Murder/Conspiracy Mystery in Space(!) the right, non-1 braincell for the Jedi way?
Also, I didn't think of the theme/metaphor for fire in the series, so thank you for bringing it up!
Keep up the great work and take care!
I laughed so Hard when all those Manchildren started to complain about this!
That is where they draw the line hahaha
Great Video btw!
Really good to see that not everybody lost their mind 😂
Yes! I thought something was wrong with me because I'm enjoying the show, but all the reviews are bad. It's so weird to me.
Yeah i get it…i was Kind of surprised too but if you Look at the critics score on rotten tomato it is above 90% (last time i checked)
Guess a lot of people enjoy this show just fine…they are just not so obnoxious about it😂
All the "adults" watching Star Wars ARE manchildren. The react channels are the worst.
You know what’s fire in space? Stars.
And here i thought they were building a campfire in space like frickin Spongebob does underwater! 😂😂😂
I feel like the trailer was too full, and I'm surprised how quick they've revealed twists on the first 4 episodes, but I'm enjoying it so far.
My god, why they even fussing about fire??? We're always seeing fire?????
Well, I am hopeful to see a real analasys of the Acolyte. Its one of the few shows I've have fun with in the Star Wars universe.
I think you missed the single best moment of fire in space from the OT for this video: when Vader's Super Star Destroyer nose dives into the second Death Star. Literal hige pillar of flame.
When I was a kid and learned that there wouldn’t be any sound in space I had a thought like “wait Star Wars isn’t realistic????” And then I shrugged my shoulders and accepted the fact that the franchise about space wizards doesn’t always follow scientific laws
Did anyone complain when Jango Fett was dropping seismic charges in space and there was sound, in space, of the explosion? Ultra realistic. Weird how force powers, light sabers, blasters, and light speed travel are all naturally accepted. Got it!
One of the most common trackback i see is people trying to pretend that older media was more subtle and nuance with their themes and message. Which is a laughable lie when you bother doing some basic research. Have you ever wonder why from the 1960-1990 their were a lot of villains that either vaguely German or Eastern European? was their maybe some kind of real world politics dictating these every obvious choice? Do you think that a show like Star Treak which wanted to be as much of utopian future as possible showed a bridge crew made up of every ethical diverse people(in early draft captain Krik was to be a women), was their maybe some real world politics around how our division could lead to the extinction of all humanity going that might have heavyly influenced those decision? Or have you wonder why Shakespeare put so many melding Catholic priest into his plays that just make things worse for everyone? do you think their might have been some real world politics? Media has always worn its ideology on its sleeves, just because you were to young and stupid to notice doesn't make it bad.
THIS RIGHT HERE!!!! Could not have said this better!!
Hypothetically, spaceships in Star Ware could be generating their own "shell" of artificial gravity, and when life support system is damaged or there's serious hull damage, then air/oxygen would leak out of the ship the "gravity shell" could temporarily hold some of that leaked out air outside the ship,
now if any flammable gas or fuel leaking out is sparks from damaged electrical wiring would or could ignite the leaking gas and the oxygen leakage would feed the fire localized to the leaks/area of damage of the ship. Just speculating.
In all the drama I lost any actual analysis on the scene, so, thank you for pointing out that fire in space is a thematically relevant beat to the things happening the show, that's a very good point that I can't believe I missed.
I have my issues with the show but my brain melts when I see what these idiots are complaining about
reminded of when people were upset there were recognisable firearms in a Star Wars... in the Aldahni section of Andor. Sacred Cow Shipyards did a great video on how daft it is to pick Andor as the moment to make an issue of this
Oh god, that's just the dumbest... half the "space gun" props from the original Star Wars trilogy were literally WWII surplus with bits and bobs glued on! Han's blaster is a Mauser C96, and the Stormtrooper rifles are Sterling Mk4s!
Thank you for being the voice of sanity.
I still think creators could avoid a lot of heat if they did things less obviously flawed, maybe set the ship fire indoors, maybe don't invite trolls to troll you, but I get where you're coming from too. Star Wars has lots of less obvious scientific piffle in it that the haters still love, they just conveniently ignore whatever suits them.
Always gets me when people think Star Wars is sci fi just because its in space.
Its fantasy. Its wizards, witches, evil kings, doomsday weapons. Its also a mix of WW2 imagery, ofcourse, as well as westerns (which were their own kind of fantasy).
The point is its never tried to be realistic. Grounded is not the same as realistic.
Ahhh… the perfect storm cultivated by years of CinemaSins nitpicking and anti-woke mob mentality. “The only right way” to watch movies/TV.
It’s interesting because the acolyte isn’t a perfect show but the actual issues like “some of the pacing is a little off” aren’t as ragebaity as “the acolyte RUINS STAR WARS LORE!!”
Everything always has to have the most dire of consequences
The fact that the space ships make literally any noise at all proves there's some form of air
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself be sponsored by Raycon
I would've stopped trying to hold the Star Wars franchise up to realistic scientific standards after it was established that Anakin Skywalker was birthed through miraculous conception.
Please never change the video's title on this ever
People dont complain when the the desth star catches fire in its explosion because its cool
Amd that fire on the ship was not
On your point about fire, it’s also used as a motif in the Darth Plagueis novel. By Darth Plagueis himself, he uses it as a metaphor for how he views the role of the Sith, referring to their order as a cleansing fire meant to prune the galaxy of its dead weight. A force of nature, dispassionate and beyond good and evil. It is also subtly used to differentiate Plagueis philosophy with that of his master’s, Darth Tenebrous, who likens the force to a raging river with diverging tributaries, and the Sith as great stone slabs pushed into the current by erosion, and forever diverting the river’s course. The motif of Fire and Water are actually even compared in the book explicitly, with Plagueis musing that while superficially similar in their transformative powers, Fire and Water are entirely different. One covers up and buries, while the other spews forth and lays bare.
Dooku and Sifo Dyas also mention fire at one point, with one referring to sparks setting off a conflagration, and the other referring to the subtle glow of a fire raging beyond the horizon.
I have started to ask if The Culture Keyboard Warrior even engage with the story. They are missing details but hyper fixate on trivial things so often it's uncanny.
If by ‘engage with the story’ you mean ‘incessantly look for dumb holes’ then yes!
@@PillarofGarbage No, I mean that they watch it without watching it. I had the displeasure of getting Mauler in a Lord of The Rings reaction mash up, and everything he said was just him doing comparisons to his buzzword movies. He was barely watching the thing.
Funny thing is in a interview with Paul duncan Lucas said space has oxygen when I want it 😂
The Sith just wanted to go for a walk and asking the Jedi how's their health plan.
Apparently it was great.
My favourite part of Star Wars are the EU novels, and The Acolyte so far is reminding me of those novels. I love the exploration of the Force outside of Jedi powers!! I love that it dares to go bonkers.
Also, Star Wars canonically has wind in space. They also have the internet. And a being as light as Yoda can somehow fall? Suddenly people are salty about fire in space? Haven't they learned not to look at Star Wars to learn physics?
Don't ask questions. Just consume product then get excited for next product.
(you are describing the relationship Star Wars anti fans have with ragebait/nitpick videos)
@PillarofGarbage No, it's my impression of you.
@@SourRobo8364The… the entire video is them analyzing the show and asking questions????????
Projection
@@Vivigreeny25Some objective quiestions
-Why do both sisters have same hair apart from one's being partly longer?
-Why did they send Yord and the other girl to arrest Osha when she has supposedly killed a high ranking Jedi master?
-Which ship did Yord and the girl take back to Coruscant?
-Why was Osha not escorted if she was as dangerous to kill a Jedi Master?
-Why was Trinity so easily defeated?(and the answer is not May is more skilled, since Trinity didn't even use the force that liberally)
-How did they know it was Osha/May who killed Trinity when they most likely had only description of them to go on?(and yes I am aware they brought along the bartender to confirm. I am pointing out why did they bring him to her in the first place?)
-Why is there no one apart from Droids on the prisoner ship for security?(preferably a Jedi for aforementioned reason)
-How did Osha survive the freefall from orbit in the prisoner ship?
-Why did the prisoners not take the ship when it would have been far convenient to do so?
Some "Subjective" questions
-Why is this show so Cringe?
-Why is it so badly acted?
-Why is the only good acting that I could find was from the guy who doesn't even speak English?
-Why is this 180M$ show?
-Why does it look cheap despite the budget?
-Why are the dialogues written by teenagers?
These are the questions from the first episode that I have. The biggest one I have is WHY IS THERE A FUCKING CAMPFIRE IN SPACE?
It's always entertaining when people try to ask the Space Wizards franchise to pay attention to realistic physics.
There was a bit in Rebels where they fly around a black hole, and fan mail was apparently asking if there was going to be any acknowledgement of time distortion, and it's just, like... No, this is a silly Space Fantasy setting about Wizards with Laser Swords. As I describe my d&d games on the regular "Realism is for settings where you can't insult someone so hard their head explodes."
In this case "Realism is for stories where you can't get so evil that you learn how to choke a bitch from across the room."
To adapt another quote- "Amateurs talk about realism. Pros talk about believability."
"no space fire in my movies where people shoot lightning from their hands."
Yes. There are just some things i can't suspend my disbelief for.
@@gayanudugampola8973 Out of fire in space and somebody choking a human to death without touching them what do you think is less realistic? I'll give you a hint it's not fucking telekinesis.
It's because there's lesbian witches, black people, and morally grey themes. This show is good, idc.
There is oxygen in spaceships. Osha is standing on a spaceship. How is this even an issue.
explosive decompression
I think this video is why I enjoy your TH-cam as a platform. You know the difficulty of communicating with "those" types of fans. I hope you make more videos dissecting shows and movies
Thank the maker for some one speaking sense on youtube. Since the show aired the internet has made me feel like I've been taking crazy pills. The Acolyte hasn't been 10/10, but its been really solid and interesting so far, my wife and I have both enjoyed it through 3 episodes. Maybe it won't stick the landing, but to this point its been one of the better star wars "things" I've watched, movie or show, and while I fully understand there are and can be those who just don't enjoy the show despite all the things I enjoy about it, I've met so called star wars fans who say they didn't care for The Empire Strikes back which is in my opinion a perfect film so clearly not everyone shares my taste, the fact EVERY video being recommended to me is some one who not only doesn't like the show, but is calling it the worst star wars show ever , it just doesn't make sense. It's like if I woke up tomorrow and suddenly everyone in the world was saying The Empire Strikes Back is a garbage sequel that ruined star wars, I can see how SOME people might say that (honestly I can't even see that but again, I've met them, so I know they exist), but most people?
I appreciate this videos break down and explanation for where the madness is coming from, it makes sense, and is sad, as this is quite the enjoyable show if your goal isn't to hate it. Here's hoping it continues to be enjoyable and has a good finish, but even if it faults later, these first 3 episodes WERE solid and certainly not worthy of half the ridicule they've gotten.
I needed this. I write film and TV criticism for a web site and am exhausted by culture wars being imposed on programmes and films