The newspaper articles are for real. I paused every time and read it. The writing was utterly diferent from todays Portuguese and as a Brazilian and Portuguese teacher I can assure the writing style fits the time period as a glove. No fake news here. Never heard about this part of the Gracie family story. Disgraceful at least.
You can tell the Gracies are scum just by the way they fight. They step on unconscious opponents when they win, Royce holds on to submissions even after he feels the guy tap out and the ref trying to push him off. They are ego driven. They should have never been taught how to fight.
@@DIDOS Kinda shocked me as well, though to read it all men, probably won t think about helio the same way next time I see his picture in the wall of my gym.
I'm a Gracie Jiu jitsu black belt under helio's lineage. This documentary has confirmed my suspicions as to the true character of certain individuals within the family
It DEFINITELY needs to be brought to light. Too many people falsely believe that Helio Gracie is (was) a "great, wise and revered" old warrior. NOPE... A TOTAL PIECE OF FECES.
I met Royce rorian and helio in 1993 I believe. at a gym in Jersey doing a seminar introducing Brazilian jiu jujitsu, Royce picked me out to grapple because I was the biggest guy in the gym, I kept him off me longer than he liked and got super aggressive until he choked me, it seemed to me then I did not like how he was as a teacher, I had trained in judo under master yoshida yonezuka and he was a great teacher with no ego, unlike Royce. Soon after the seminar UFC began and the rest is history. I did meet renzo and he was very personable as was rorian, helio was a angry stone faced man now I see why. Thanks for the truth.
Royce and the gracies are piece of s*** of human beings. I never liked him since i saw his dvd where he proudly boasts how during one of his ufc fights his brother encouraged him to break his opponents arm. He talks about this like its something great. Even in the early ufcs you can see royce did not care for his opponents at all. He just wanted to hurt them and show off bjj. Even when he loses, he doesnt even have the decency to just say good fight and congratulate the opponent. He just whines like a sore loser and makes tons of excuses. And you can see where that attitude came from.....his father and uncles who ambushed a wrestler after losing to him. The world has been duped by the gracies. They are not decent people. They are just a bunch of hoodlums who go round abusing anyone who doesnt suck up to bjj and anyone who seems too aggressive for bjj they usually avoid.
I've seen the first UFCs and thought the same thing regarding Royce's disposition just from observation. It does also make sense that not every family member lacks honour and fairplay like Royce, Helio, and Carlos does. In a way they seem to me to have some attributes of a mob family. As an experienced practitioner, If you're still around can I ask you a technical question regarding strength as it relates to weight divisions?
An old friend of mine went to a Gracie seminar in the late nineties. He took hapkido . It was royce and his crew . He said the toughest grappler at that seminar was a judo guy. He said the Gracie guy when they were playing around with him couldn't do much. Any way he said just for self defense he was staying in hapkido. He was an older gentleman so competition mma style was not for him. The Gracie showed him a little stuff on the ground when he blended with his hapkido ground work and that was nice . But in the locker room he spoke to the judo guy , who attended seminars by gene labell and bother judo pioneers, said the Gracie's didn't show him much as a fact he thought royce was overated. He was the one that told my friend his hapkido had some nice ground stuff after they were on the matt together. He was surprised
Hi, I am a Brazillian, and I read all of the documents displayed. The translation is very loyal to what is written. That was a very old and complex Portuguese. I don't know your sources, but they are not only legit but also very good. Very nice work!
DIDOS I hope this video does not get taken down. The Gracies have a tendency to bury many information that is not in their favour. Helio gave his viewpoint about this incident, but he made it sound like it was a fair one on one fight, which of course was ridiculous. After police investigation, the three brothers were no doubt the perpetrators. Carlos was actually a repeat offender of the SAME CRIME, which found him guilty for a longer time on the sentence, but the president of Brazil pardoned the Gracie brothers.
According to Wade Schalles, it really isn't even the top 10 discipline that wins in the UFC... it's 14th. The top is Greco Roman Style Wrestling... and then Muay Thai comes second. Here is a fascinating interview about that very topic.. I suggest you watch the entire thing, but I found a highlight. th-cam.com/video/ZAFMiUJ85OM/w-d-xo.html
INCREDIBLE they were able to keep this out of the press, even a whisper of it, in the sport of MMA and grappling, even for the guys in deep. Never heard a peep of this.
Sakuraba was a catch wrestler who defeated every Gracie he ever faced. The Gracie's time passed long ago. You must have many more skills today to be at the top and that's why you rarely see a Gracie fight at a highly competitive fight.. They make their money running schools but not at the top big money fights as competitors.
Thank you so much for all the support, if you could help, tweeting to bring this to Joe Rogan's or Young Jamie's attention it could help tremendously to get the word out. Thanks to everyone for the comments and support. Respect!
DIDOS i'd love that, but i doubt joe would be ready for this. Joe respects the gracies a lot,mlike i used to. I got out of this cultish obsession because i did judo, and the gracies weren't exactly fair when talking about judo or fighting judoka, and so i had this crack that was slowly opened. I don't think joe would be ready to believe something like this so readily sprung on him. But that's jo reason to not try
jimmy alderson Joe knows better than anyone what the Gracie family is about. Remember what happened between his close friend Eddie Bravo and them? That’s what turned me off to the Gracie myth. Joe would hundred percent do it.
They would pick fights with regular people on nightclubs to prove that they're tough, bully other martial artists, among other things. The Gracie history is rotten.
Earned a black belt in Brazilian Jiujitsu and I've been around a long time, but never heard this story. Good stuff. Looks like everything is documented. What pieces of s***!
Mr Bjj 101 ik. I talk quite openly about my view on the gracies to my friend, but at the gym i keep it under wraps, primarily because there's no need to bring it up, but also in large part because of things like this. Their histlry is not something to be proud of. I used to revere these men for all they did for martial arts and grappling. But then i realised the jiu jitsu they 'created' was nothing but the judo they were taught with their name of it, and it is only with the controbution of world talents that enough techniques and understanding has been contributed to the art to call itself its own. And from there all these little details you don't see in the documentaries, or in the history books, comes forth. You see how they try to disgrace other martial arts, like in a jiu jitsu book i read which made judo out to be this cheap cash grab by uust changing the name of 'jujutsu' to 'judo' (which ironically is what the gracies did). I saw how helio's story and quotes were almost word for word taken from the writings and stories of Kano. I saw how Royce cheated against Yoshida after losing and getting the match decision changed. Then i heard stories from wrestlers who were told not to wear their shoes because they're 'weapons' and then getting choked by gi jackets. I heard the claims they made of creating several techniques which predate even the judo they were taught. I saw the special rules they got. I saw how their claims of athleticism were tedted. Then i saw how they changed history, and how history is remembered by their students. And then i saw things like this and it made me sick. It makes me ashamed that the martial art i practice, as an evolution of a martial art which had true discipline and no shame to hide and a fully open history and a modest leader, has been rebranded and is now under the banner of these psychopathic thugs who gang assualt people who beat them out of spite, while claiming they can cross collar vhoke you out before you can pull a trigger on a gun in your hand. Then claiming other martial arts are unrealistic. Seeing how they take techniques out of their syllabus, e.g. Throws and leglocks, because they were no good at them - meanwhile when other arts like judo get beaten by guys doing armbars, they start training them. Now that jiu jitsu's out of the hands of the gracies, the damage they dealt to it is slowly being undone. The shameful past is being compensated by bright minds who understand what a martial art is, and their tyranous campaign on other martial arts is being undone by their own creation. But it still makes me wince that these are the men i admired once upon a time
I agree with all of that, except when you said that Jiu Jitsu is out of the hands of the Gracies'. They are still synonymous with Brazilian (or Gracie) Jiu Jitsu.
I knew this story but not all the details.. always knew they attacked a gym teacher but never realised he was a catch wrestler. Man I’ve never bought into the Gracie cult
The Gracie family did a lot for grappling no arguing that but they always needed special rules and accomodations. Royler could grab Eddie's pants but Eddie could not grab his shorts in their metamoris match. Just one example
Angel Rodriguez Rener and Ryron in their breakdown of the rematch, stated Royler beat Eddie Bravo in the match. The BJJ community was in an uproar at how stupid and dishonest the analysis and statement was from Ryron and Rener.
Ive never liked them, especially royce gracie who showed horrible attitude in the early ufcs where he cared nothing for the opponent. All he wanted to do was hurt them, even when they already were losing. He always goes around with that attitude of "if you dont say bjj is the best i will beat you up". The gracies are nothing more than a bunch of hoodlums, going around abusing anyone whos weaker than them and making all the excuses when they lose. No decency at all.
And the crazy thing about that is that the guy they attack was the teacher of Tatu, the men who founded luta livre that later became the rival grappling art of bjj.
Wow unbelievable docuementry. Deep respect for the honorable teacher Rufino Dos Santos, I wish I had pursued Rufinos art of catch Wrestling/jiu jitsu, when I was younger learning Muay Thai/Gracia jiu jitsu.
i heard from various interviews that gracies used to be bullies, but not to this extent... Thank you for the video ! i think it's important for BJJ practionners to know the history of the art, the good and the ugly.
Here's patriarch Helio Gracie's shockingly dishonest account of the (for lack of a better word) lynching of Rufino dos Santos: “It was 66 years ago that I was involved in my biggest trouble. A famous fighter in Brazil (a former Luta Livre Champion) Manoel Rufino dos Santos, said that he was going to show the world that we Gracies were nothing. It was at the Tijuca Tennis Club of Rio that I gave my answer to him. I arrived and said "I came to answer the declaration that you made." He threw a punch and I took him to the ground, with two fractures of his head, and a broken clavicle, and blood spurting out. But it was a foolish act that I did. Today I would never repeat such a thing." I've been practicing BJJ for about 16 years, but I don't have a shred of respect for the ignoble thugs credited with founding the art.
Yeah, that's fucked up... so according to Helio, he took Rufino down and caused him "two head fractures", (so this was not from hitting him in the head with a deadly weapon, which by the way, according to the official report was how Helio opened the group assault). So 66 years after the crime, Helio claimed he destroyed Rufino with his BARE hands to the point he was spurting blood out. Wow... Helio's older brother gets dominated by this Catch Wrestler, but Helio goes and takes the Catch Wrestler down and beats him 1 on 1, beyond recognition, with nothing but his bare hands, fracturing his skull twice (NOT with the metal object, or the 3 Gracie brothers soccer kicking him in the head when he was down as is stated in the official report)... Ok, he had some serious striking skills. Just wow... Can you confirm if that was an interview he gave for Playboy magazine?
Where the fuck have I been!? This is absolutely spectacular! I've been wondering why content on DOS Sontos is virtually nonexistent on TH-cam. Everytime I'm on a Gracie channel that touches on the origin of Gracie JJ, I always bring up DOS Sontos. Great job, man! The only think I'm bummed about is that I didn't find this long ago.
Renzo Gracie is probably the only Gracie that is universally well liked by fighters and and fans alike. He didn't make any excuses and even PRAISED Sakuraba after he lost to him. He has spoken many times of the skill of Sakuraba.
+Torarin Vik Too bad hes a total scumbag too though. Spitting at his opponents in the ring and stomping on peoples heads after they have tapped out. th-cam.com/video/AY6Cnhrdq9w/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/BErIY92RufI/w-d-xo.html
Torarin Vik Renzo Gracie had a fight against Eugene Tadeu. Renzo eventually was on the losing end. Either his dad or someone else in the Gracie family shut the lights off, so Renzo would not lose. The audience then rioted, which happens in Brazil. The Brazilians will openly say this, that the Gracies did it. Here in North America, it is only the Gracies account on history, which is twisted. All that was said, was the fight did not finish, because there was a riot. Notice no mention of the lights being shut off by the Gracies.
Amazing content and production! As a lifetime wrestler and bjj lover this was enlightening and moving! Thank you for you time creating this content for us all!
I train in Gracie jiu jitsu and love it. In fact I got my blue belt from Royce Gracie himself and was very proud. We are trained at our dojo it’s all technique and to drill. The only time I felt uneasy was when we had a seminars with Royce and he stopped the class to say “ to be honest, if some one gets to close to me or I think he is going to start something I just drive him into a wall and make sure he can’t do anything. Why take the chance.” It’s fair from what we learn and are told every week in class. I love GJJ but didn’t like Royce Gracie himself. Side note. He was rolling the day after and got locked in a triangle, instead of using technique he picked up the guy an slammed into the mats. He could have really fucked up his neck. It was a dick move !!!
rickinahat Royce is definitely an arrogant prick. I never liked him. The more I heard interviews on podcasts, etc, the more his true colors started coming out.
So the day after the seminar he came in the morning and was showing some more advanced techniques. It was all super casual (not hard rolling) one of our guys locked him into a triangle from mount, he wasn't locked on to get the tap, he wasn't cranking it he just locked it on. Royce got to his knees then stood up and BOOM slammed him into the mat head/neck first. it was a total dick move !
a few guys who came from a Royce Gracie affiliate gym transfered to our gym and said similar things. Hes just cocky and arrogant. But those guys also said they met the Diaz bros. and they were super chill!
Massively important research and editing work! Congratulations and all the best in promoting truth and sportsmanship. Thugs and liars should not live through history as heroes.
Awesome video. Wish we could make this go viral. Sounds like they were trying to portray a certain perception to the public back then just like in modern times. I guess sakuraba is lucky he didn't get jumped by the gracie's clan lol
They certainly cherry picked the fighters for the UFC. If Erik would have been in UFC 1 and/or 2. Dan's schools would have continued to grow and mma history would probably be completely different.
Thats not true, according to Erik it was because he was doing lessons with Rickson at the time and they said that, if he fought in the UFC that he wouldn't be able to train with them, which is fair. The Gracies are shady but this isn't one of those times. Source: Eriks interview with Budo Jake.
Paulsons a cool dude,I took a day lesson from him at boxing works Hermosa Bch..and he was on the cover of a martial arts magazine across the street at a newsstand..lol,a very modest man.
Thank god we had someone like Sakuraba to humiliate the Gracies in early UFC otherwise they would have been promoted to demigod status of being unbeatable.
Totally inspirational in terms of getting the truth out about the real development of grappling, JJ, Judo, Catch, etc. The Gracie facade that Helio invented leverage must be corrected. I need to know more about the Gracies beating up their instructor, makes their demand for loyalty from their students very hypocritical.
Fantastic video; it put out information I had never heard of. Certainly the great Mr Rufino Dos Santos. As a practitioner of the martial arts for many years and a former freestyle wrestler, I previously thought the greatest grappler of all time was Dan Gable, but now I’m leaning towards Dos Santos...amazing. It was sad to here about the way he was stacked by the Gracie family. There should be a story done about him, his life ordeals and success on the mat promoting his Catch wrestling style. He was a great one, that you for sharing.
It appears the Gracie attitude was inherited, although not as severe. I would say many people in North America is not aware of a lot of these stories, since they are withheld and prevented from being out in public. Anyone here remember when Robin Gracie lost a Gracie challenge against a Frenchman (Damien Riccio), then Royce flew to Spain and went to France and started a bar fight with his goons attacking Damien Riccio. Royce of course used the same accusation he did against Eddie Bravo, of something in the lines of You talk shit about my family. People in North America think the Gracies are gods in Brazil, but don't realise how many Brazilians hate them, since the Gracies were in the upper class and viewed the poor as low lives.
Good point bringing up the Eddie Bravo incident. I think Eddie said he was puking in the toilet after the match and Royce came in talking sh*t and trying to pick a fight.
Phil Weed Royce seems to be the most fucked up, out of the children of Helio. When he could not prove Eddie talking shit about the Gracies, he then switched it to, oh Eddie does drugs by smoking weed, thus he is a bad influence on children. The same Royce Gracie who pissed hot after the rematch against Sakuraba.
The only two Gracies I like and seem to be all around stand up guys are the grandchildren, Ryron and Rener. I especially like Rener, he just seems to love BJJ and life.
alanguages i actually heard that judo is more popular than BjJ in every part of brazil except rio Probably because they're more privy to these things that the rest of us scarcely hear about
Excellent video and channel!!! Good to see people digging deeply into history and the full story of Japanese immigrating to Brasil beginning aboard the Kasato Maru in 1908, bringing their martial arts and other cultural aspects with them.
Great video. For those training in bjj - just carry on training, take what you benefit from it and do not idolise. Remember, three serious negative aspects about bjj for street self defence: 1/. You can easily get stabbed by the guy you are grappling with. Get a bjj to wear a white T shirt and wrestle with you as you mark his t shirt with a red marker pen. See how vulnerable you are wrestling on the floor. 2/. You may have the attacker/assailant in a compromised position - a lock, etc. And his mates or mother or girlfriend kicks you in the head. 3/. The environment. You may have to roll and fall onto a curb, hardcore, gravel, etc. You could break your spine falling to the ground. Or damage yourself. No comfortable soft mats in the street.
+ Pete Alder I agree that some people get blinded to the reality of fighting and seem to idolise BJJ. I believe this is what you were trying to address. But your point about the knife is exactly the same for ANY style of fighting. Give your opponent a marker and then try stand-up fighting and he will mark you many times. The point is if there is any possible chance to leave the scene before a knife fight happens take it. If you fight someone who has a knife you will get cut. I have trained a lot of stand-up and only a tiny bit of BJJ but try to be realistic about things and not let ego get in the way of reality. I sometimes fail at this :). But as you say keep on training hard and try to test everything you do to find the truth.
Same reason why Jigoro Kano focused on throws for self defense. You can't do unlimited newaza in the street, you'll get pub stomped, when the fight goes to the ground, finish it quickly, and if it's not possible, get back up.
Never liked the Gracies very much but I didn't know they were such filthy douchebags, what a disgrace and a shame that good honest men were victims to those criminal thugs. I have even more respect for Sakuraba now.
Even that's somewhat dubious. According the 'Choque: The Untold Story of Jiujtisu in Brazil' it seems highly unlikely that Maeda (who was also a skilled Catch Wrestler BTW) spent any significant amount of time training the Gracies.
Rorion Gracie was part of organizers of 1st UFC so the participants and Royce opponents where cherry pick in a way that he wouldnt face a serious rhreat untill the end. .
@@theoptionaut.tailer7501 Mitsuyo Maeda (a judoka who's background is Kosen Judo, Kodokan Judo, Classic Jujutsu, Sumo, Catchwrestling) has a student who teached Carlos Gracie, though Maeda himself teached Carlos for a little amount of time. And that said, what the Gracies are doing is Judo all along.
Excellent video sir. I practice mainly 2 styles BJJ and Muay Thai more that two decades. This is incredible. I've always incorporated Catch Elements in my game, first from my father, who was a wrestler with a Catch experience, which itself is a great, highly athletic and unpredictable style. Knowing a bit of Catch at least can make your game go further, especially when you are stuck in a certain mindset. The truth I've learned watching your video just shocked me.
hmm, wish i saw this when i made my 3-4 hour video dismantling the gracies. I'll be downloading this video for safe keep.... just in case. I also look forward to that video of the part you said was for another time.
I am from Rio de Janeiro and sadly this history is true and we know many others histories like this of the Gracie's cowardices! In the 80's they invaded the Flavio's Molina( a true heroe) more than 20 against 5 or 6!
I think so too. As a BJJ Black Belt I only think it would be appropriate they would give credit to Catch Wrestling. I see academies incorporation so many Catch Wrestling techniques to BJJ but now it's "just BJJ".
En primer lugar los felicito por su canal y este valioso documental digno de un libro de historia,llevo 40 años estudiando Wu shu kung fu,aprecio y admiro el judo y el Cath Wrestling mismos que anhelo aprender,sólo que aquí en Monterrey México eso no existe,es triste saber que ademas de eso muchas biografias confirman lo mismo,no se le puede llamar "fundadores" de un sistema a quienes promovian la violencia y la traición,y la falta de espíritu deportivo,como toda la familia gracie,la falta de respeto a un uniforme que no merecieron llevar,ademas de ser gente muy racista,como el conocido caso de Waldemar santana,sirviente de ellos quien termino de dar una paliza a helio gracie,lo que los llevo a ser grandes fue sólo la publicidad y la enseñanza a gente de economía alta,,soy muy amante de la historia y ahí descubrí cosas tristes que no deben de repetirse,,honorables son los grandes peleadores y practicantes de la base de los mejores sistemas de lucha ,,Kung fu,shaolin Catch Wrestling,y judo ,,estas dos últimas las pesadillas del Bjj,si hay alguien grande de quien hablar dentro del Bjj sólo sería una o dos personas Oswaldo Fadda, y Luis Franca,,bendiciones a todos.
I think the Machados wanted to distance themselves from the negative things about Gracies. They are not as influential as the Gracies, but they do not have the skeletons in the closet, either.
No problem!!! You have a new subscriber!!! I learned about catch wrestling because of my Judo Sensei. He usually taught us drills and techniques from other grappling arts that could be implemented in our art. More power to you and you future videos!
This documentary deserved every bit of praising! Thank you so much! Truth must be told. I will do my best in spreading the link. What a disgraceful legacy, of ego and greed and winning by every means, SO OPPOSED to the real Martial Arts Spirit! And one reinforced for so long, in uncountable instances! A family of assassins indeed, Eddie Bravo nailed this one!
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Never had much respect for the Gracie family due to several situations where they handled themselves in such a poor manner, similar to what is shown in this video. I hope Kron Gracie helps bring respect to his last name with his competition in the UFC.
Did you continue this series? I really would like to hear more regarding this matter, great reporting, thanks for looking for the truth in the face of deceit.
I`ve been following this sport since its inception into the man stream since the 90`s, and I always knew there was something about the Gracie legacy that rubbed me up the wrong way....now I know why. Shame on them
even though i have never heard this stories i always asked myself how that maeda is not credited as the father of bjj, because he was the one that had hundereds of fights in no rules fighting. also maeda tought many others besides gracies, like oswaldo fadda and he had a huge lineage of bjj practitioners, so how the fuck gracies are considered the fathers of bjj, when there is a huge bjj lineage that doesnt come from gracies, but maeda himself? the history of bjj should be reconsidered and maeda should be the father of bjj.
Im a black belt in BJJ also. No martial art has ever been able to contain Catch Wrestlers. Don't know why, but even Mitsuyo Maeda in his 2000+ no holds bar fights, lost 2 times to catch wrestlers. Those were his only losses. And his rules were no rules. He just preferred that.
Excelent video , try to look for the Luta Livre vs Bjj wars on the 70's and 80's theres a lot more of these gracie stories , with academy invasions e chalenges .
The newspaper articles are for real. I paused every time and read it. The writing was utterly diferent from todays Portuguese and as a Brazilian and Portuguese teacher I can assure the writing style fits the time period as a glove. No fake news here. Never heard about this part of the Gracie family story. Disgraceful at least.
Thank you very much for your knowledge and taking the time to do that. We really appreciate it.
You can tell the Gracies are scum just by the way they fight. They step on unconscious opponents when they win, Royce holds on to submissions even after he feels the guy tap out and the ref trying to push him off. They are ego driven. They should have never been taught how to fight.
"Disgraceful" is putting it mildly. These guys were CRIMINALS.
@@DIDOS Kinda shocked me as well, though to read it all men, probably won t think about helio the same way next time I see his picture in the wall of my gym.
Read the books of Marcial Serrano especially Geo Omori o guardiao samurai. The Gracies comited a lots of crimes.
I'm a Gracie Jiu jitsu black belt under helio's lineage. This documentary has confirmed my suspicions as to the true character of certain individuals within the family
Yes there is a dark history of violence against poor luta fighters and gyms by the Gracies. They want that history erased
It's no coincidence that a catch wrestler defeated nearly all Gracies.
Sakuraba lol
Does the name 'Kazushi Sakuraba' mean anything?
Also Josh Barnett, a Catch Wrestler, beat Dean Lister, a Jiujitsu man (although Dean is an honorable man, unlike the Gracie’s)
This needs to be a movie
It DEFINITELY needs to be brought to light.
Too many people falsely believe that Helio Gracie is (was) a "great, wise and revered" old warrior.
NOPE... A TOTAL PIECE OF FECES.
I met Royce rorian and helio in 1993 I believe. at a gym in Jersey doing a seminar introducing Brazilian jiu jujitsu, Royce picked me out to grapple because I was the biggest guy in the gym, I kept him off me longer than he liked and got super aggressive until he choked me, it seemed to me then I did not like how he was as a teacher, I had trained in judo under master yoshida yonezuka and he was a great teacher with no ego, unlike Royce. Soon after the seminar UFC began and the rest is history. I did meet renzo and he was very personable as was rorian, helio was a angry stone faced man now I see why. Thanks for the truth.
Back in the Craig Kukuk days.
Royce and the gracies are piece of s*** of human beings. I never liked him since i saw his dvd where he proudly boasts how during one of his ufc fights his brother encouraged him to break his opponents arm. He talks about this like its something great.
Even in the early ufcs you can see royce did not care for his opponents at all. He just wanted to hurt them and show off bjj.
Even when he loses, he doesnt even have the decency to just say good fight and congratulate the opponent. He just whines like a sore loser and makes tons of excuses. And you can see where that attitude came from.....his father and uncles who ambushed a wrestler after losing to him.
The world has been duped by the gracies. They are not decent people. They are just a bunch of hoodlums who go round abusing anyone who doesnt suck up to bjj and anyone who seems too aggressive for bjj they usually avoid.
calmb4 storm Renzo is the kind of guy to step on an opponents neck right after winning a fight. .....wait a minute....
I've seen the first UFCs and thought the same thing regarding Royce's disposition just from observation. It does also make sense that not every family member lacks honour and fairplay like Royce, Helio, and Carlos does. In a way they seem to me to have some attributes of a mob family.
As an experienced practitioner, If you're still around can I ask you a technical question regarding strength as it relates to weight divisions?
An old friend of mine went to a Gracie seminar in the late nineties. He took hapkido . It was royce and his crew . He said the toughest grappler at that seminar was a judo guy. He said the Gracie guy when they were playing around with him couldn't do much. Any way he said just for self defense he was staying in hapkido. He was an older gentleman so competition mma style was not for him. The Gracie showed him a little stuff on the ground when he blended with his hapkido ground work and that was nice . But in the locker room he spoke to the judo guy , who attended seminars by gene labell and bother judo pioneers, said the Gracie's didn't show him much as a fact he thought royce was overated. He was the one that told my friend his hapkido had some nice ground stuff after they were on the matt together. He was surprised
Hi, I am a Brazillian, and I read all of the documents displayed. The translation is very loyal to what is written. That was a very old and complex Portuguese. I don't know your sources, but they are not only legit but also very good. Very nice work!
This was important to note - thank you!
Someone send this to Rogan asap
Thanks man. Everyone that can help me tweeting it, will be appreciated.
Wish I could help but social media isn't my thing but I'm giving the channel a sub this is some great stuff you have on there.
Totally understand, your support is equally appreciated!
DIDOS I hope this video does not get taken down. The Gracies have a tendency to bury many information that is not in their favour. Helio gave his viewpoint about this incident, but he made it sound like it was a fair one on one fight, which of course was ridiculous. After police investigation, the three brothers were no doubt the perpetrators. Carlos was actually a repeat offender of the SAME CRIME, which found him guilty for a longer time on the sentence, but the president of Brazil pardoned the Gracie brothers.
thats a good point, they will probably flag this video as inappropriate or something or file a DMCA claim.
So sad. I am a bjj practitioner, and it's so sad to see what the Gracies did to this man. Dirty AF.
BJJ is NOT the " end all be all" of Grappling Arts , it just has had the promotion of the UFC
Khabib is actially exposing the truth.
I agree, but then again I'm a Catch Wrestler myself.
According to Wade Schalles, it really isn't even the top 10 discipline that wins in the UFC... it's 14th. The top is Greco Roman Style Wrestling... and then Muay Thai
comes second. Here is a fascinating interview about that very topic.. I suggest you watch the entire thing, but I found a highlight.
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INCREDIBLE they were able to keep this out of the press, even a whisper of it, in the sport of MMA and grappling, even for the guys in deep. Never heard a peep of this.
Sakuraba was a catch wrestler who defeated every Gracie he ever faced. The Gracie's time passed long ago. You must have many more skills today to be at the top and that's why you rarely see a Gracie fight at a highly competitive fight.. They make their money running schools but not at the top big money fights as competitors.
Thank you so much for all the support, if you could help, tweeting to bring this to Joe Rogan's or Young Jamie's attention it could help tremendously to get the word out. Thanks to everyone for the comments and support. Respect!
DIDOS i'd love that, but i doubt joe would be ready for this. Joe respects the gracies a lot,mlike i used to. I got out of this cultish obsession because i did judo, and the gracies weren't exactly fair when talking about judo or fighting judoka, and so i had this crack that was slowly opened.
I don't think joe would be ready to believe something like this so readily sprung on him. But that's jo reason to not try
@@Levitic22 Thank you Sir! 🙏
jimmy alderson Joe knows better than anyone what the Gracie family is about. Remember what happened between his close friend Eddie Bravo and them? That’s what turned me off to the Gracie myth. Joe would hundred percent do it.
No DIDOS thank you for spreading the truth .
@@qigong1001 what happened exactly?
3 things can not be long Hidden,
The Sun, The moon and The Truth.
-Lord Buddha"
may Dos Santos legacy be spread and preserved
I will remember and use that quote for years to come
So much dirt in the Gracie family history.
They would pick fights with regular people on nightclubs to prove that they're tough, bully other martial artists, among other things. The Gracie history is rotten.
@@Cafecompolonio14 sounds just like a Charlie Z fight
Earned a black belt in Brazilian Jiujitsu and I've been around a long time, but never heard this story. Good stuff. Looks like everything is documented. What pieces of s***!
Mr Bjj 101 ik. I talk quite openly about my view on the gracies to my friend, but at the gym i keep it under wraps, primarily because there's no need to bring it up, but also in large part because of things like this. Their histlry is not something to be proud of. I used to revere these men for all they did for martial arts and grappling. But then i realised the jiu jitsu they 'created' was nothing but the judo they were taught with their name of it, and it is only with the controbution of world talents that enough techniques and understanding has been contributed to the art to call itself its own. And from there all these little details you don't see in the documentaries, or in the history books, comes forth. You see how they try to disgrace other martial arts, like in a jiu jitsu book i read which made judo out to be this cheap cash grab by uust changing the name of 'jujutsu' to 'judo' (which ironically is what the gracies did). I saw how helio's story and quotes were almost word for word taken from the writings and stories of Kano. I saw how Royce cheated against Yoshida after losing and getting the match decision changed. Then i heard stories from wrestlers who were told not to wear their shoes because they're 'weapons' and then getting choked by gi jackets. I heard the claims they made of creating several techniques which predate even the judo they were taught. I saw the special rules they got. I saw how their claims of athleticism were tedted. Then i saw how they changed history, and how history is remembered by their students. And then i saw things like this and it made me sick.
It makes me ashamed that the martial art i practice, as an evolution of a martial art which had true discipline and no shame to hide and a fully open history and a modest leader, has been rebranded and is now under the banner of these psychopathic thugs who gang assualt people who beat them out of spite, while claiming they can cross collar vhoke you out before you can pull a trigger on a gun in your hand. Then claiming other martial arts are unrealistic. Seeing how they take techniques out of their syllabus, e.g. Throws and leglocks, because they were no good at them - meanwhile when other arts like judo get beaten by guys doing armbars, they start training them.
Now that jiu jitsu's out of the hands of the gracies, the damage they dealt to it is slowly being undone. The shameful past is being compensated by bright minds who understand what a martial art is, and their tyranous campaign on other martial arts is being undone by their own creation.
But it still makes me wince that these are the men i admired once upon a time
I agree with all of that, except when you said that Jiu Jitsu is out of the hands of the Gracies'. They are still synonymous with Brazilian (or Gracie) Jiu Jitsu.
jimmy alderson
** MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY MONEYYYY!!! **
Plenty of "American" and no-gi jiu-jitsu now. Fuck the gracies
"I've never been in love. Love is a weakness and I have no weaknesses."
That statement tells me everything I need to know about Helio Gracie.
Well, my respect for the Gracies has gone out the window.
I knew this story but not all the details.. always knew they attacked a gym teacher but never realised he was a catch wrestler. Man I’ve never bought into the Gracie cult
The Gracie family did a lot for grappling no arguing that but they always needed special rules and accomodations. Royler could grab Eddie's pants but Eddie could not grab his shorts in their metamoris match. Just one example
@@mikejohnston7628 and Eddie still beat his ass.
Angel Rodriguez Rener and Ryron in their breakdown of the rematch, stated Royler beat Eddie Bravo in the match. The BJJ community was in an uproar at how stupid and dishonest the analysis and statement was from Ryron and Rener.
Ive never liked them, especially royce gracie who showed horrible attitude in the early ufcs where he cared nothing for the opponent. All he wanted to do was hurt them, even when they already were losing.
He always goes around with that attitude of "if you dont say bjj is the best i will beat you up".
The gracies are nothing more than a bunch of hoodlums, going around abusing anyone whos weaker than them and making all the excuses when they lose. No decency at all.
And the crazy thing about that is that the guy they attack was the teacher of Tatu, the men who founded luta livre that later became the rival grappling art of bjj.
Wow unbelievable docuementry. Deep respect for the honorable teacher Rufino Dos Santos, I wish I had pursued Rufinos art of catch Wrestling/jiu jitsu, when I was younger learning Muay Thai/Gracia jiu jitsu.
i heard from various interviews that gracies used to be bullies, but not to this extent... Thank you for the video ! i think it's important for BJJ practionners to know the history of the art, the good and the ugly.
And that's why what catch wrestler Sakurabi did to Royce was so damned sweet to me.
Here's patriarch Helio Gracie's shockingly dishonest account of the (for lack of a better word) lynching of Rufino dos Santos:
“It was 66 years ago that I was involved in my biggest trouble. A famous fighter in Brazil (a former Luta Livre Champion) Manoel Rufino dos Santos, said that he was going to show the world that we Gracies were nothing. It was at the Tijuca Tennis Club of Rio that I gave my answer to him. I arrived and said "I came to answer the declaration that you made." He threw a punch and I took him to the ground, with two fractures of his head, and a broken clavicle, and blood spurting out. But it was a foolish act that I did. Today I would never repeat such a thing."
I've been practicing BJJ for about 16 years, but I don't have a shred of respect for the ignoble thugs credited with founding the art.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar
Yeah, that's fucked up... so according to Helio, he took Rufino down and caused him "two head fractures", (so this was not from hitting him in the head with a deadly weapon, which by the way, according to the official report was how Helio opened the group assault). So 66 years after the crime, Helio claimed he destroyed Rufino with his BARE hands to the point he was spurting blood out. Wow... Helio's older brother gets dominated by this Catch Wrestler, but Helio goes and takes the Catch Wrestler down and beats him 1 on 1, beyond recognition, with nothing but his bare hands, fracturing his skull twice (NOT with the metal object, or the 3 Gracie brothers soccer kicking him in the head when he was down as is stated in the official report)... Ok, he had some serious striking skills. Just wow... Can you confirm if that was an interview he gave for Playboy magazine?
Yes, that's correct: The quote I shared is from Helio's 2001 interview with Playboy's Brazilian edition.
Where the fuck have I been!? This is absolutely spectacular! I've been wondering why content on DOS Sontos is virtually nonexistent on TH-cam. Everytime I'm on a Gracie channel that touches on the origin of Gracie JJ, I always bring up DOS Sontos. Great job, man! The only think I'm bummed about is that I didn't find this long ago.
Renzo Gracie is probably the only Gracie that is universally well liked by fighters and and fans alike. He didn't make any excuses and even PRAISED Sakuraba after he lost to him. He has spoken many times of the skill of Sakuraba.
Rolls too r.i.p
+Torarin Vik Too bad hes a total scumbag too though. Spitting at his opponents in the ring and stomping on peoples heads after they have tapped out.
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Torarin Vik Renzo Gracie had a fight against Eugene Tadeu. Renzo eventually was on the losing end. Either his dad or someone else in the Gracie family shut the lights off, so Renzo would not lose. The audience then rioted, which happens in Brazil. The Brazilians will openly say this, that the Gracies did it. Here in North America, it is only the Gracies account on history, which is twisted. All that was said, was the fight did not finish, because there was a riot. Notice no mention of the lights being shut off by the Gracies.
Wow ,this story is amazing and explains a lot of the gracie attitude towards detractors and challenges.
Amazing content and production! As a lifetime wrestler and bjj lover this was enlightening and moving! Thank you for you time creating this content for us all!
Your words are invaluable, thank you Sir.
I train in Gracie jiu jitsu and love it. In fact I got my blue belt from Royce Gracie himself and was very proud. We are trained at our dojo it’s all technique and to drill. The only time I felt uneasy was when we had a seminars with Royce and he stopped the class to say “ to be honest, if some one gets to close to me or I think he is going to start something I just drive him into a wall and make sure he can’t do anything. Why take the chance.”
It’s fair from what we learn and are told every week in class. I love GJJ but didn’t like Royce Gracie himself.
Side note. He was rolling the day after and got locked in a triangle, instead of using technique he picked up the guy an slammed into the mats. He could have really fucked up his neck. It was a dick move !!!
rickinahat Royce is definitely an arrogant prick. I never liked him. The more I heard interviews on podcasts, etc, the more his true colors started coming out.
He slammed the guy? Wtf? Was the guy a student?
rickinahat nice feedback your an honest guy take a lot to be so honest. No person is invincible good day and bad. Appreciate this comment.
So the day after the seminar he came in the morning and was showing some more advanced techniques. It was all super casual (not hard rolling) one of our guys locked him into a triangle from mount, he wasn't locked on to get the tap, he wasn't cranking it he just locked it on. Royce got to his knees then stood up and BOOM slammed him into the mat head/neck first. it was a total dick move !
a few guys who came from a Royce Gracie affiliate gym transfered to our gym and said similar things. Hes just cocky and arrogant. But those guys also said they met the Diaz bros. and they were super chill!
I wish they would make this into a movie
Great post Sir.
Shocking behaviour on the part of the Gracie family. Although sadly this is not the first time I’ve heard of their shenanigans.
Massively important research and editing work! Congratulations and all the best in promoting truth and sportsmanship. Thugs and liars should not live through history as heroes.
Thank for your kind support! 🙏
oh my goodness! i cant believe ive never heard this before. thank you for making this video.
Thank you for watching! :)
So glad to finally have a great Catch As Catch Can channel. Thanks for this.
Awesome video. Wish we could make this go viral. Sounds like they were trying to portray a certain perception to the public back then just like in modern times. I guess sakuraba is lucky he didn't get jumped by the gracie's clan lol
The Gracie would've probably done the same to him if they didn't fear retaliation from the Yakuza who had dealings with PrideFC
They've duped so many people into thinking they invented jiu jitsu. They've duped even more people with their respect shtick
The word jui jitsu alone is enough to know it's a stolen system.
Its not jujutsu its Gracie calitalist judo
And what's infiriurating is that they have a watered down version of Maeda's Judo, promoting ranks without mastering the essential Judo throws.
Very happy to be able to see video documents on the history of Catch Wrestling. Subject rarely addressed by other channels. Thank you .
Do a video on how the Gracies did not let Erik Paulson compete in ufc since he would kick their ass.
They certainly cherry picked the fighters for the UFC. If Erik would have been in UFC 1 and/or 2. Dan's schools would have continued to grow and mma history would probably be completely different.
Thats not true, according to Erik it was because he was doing lessons with Rickson at the time and they said that, if he fought in the UFC that he wouldn't be able to train with them, which is fair. The Gracies are shady but this isn't one of those times.
Source: Eriks interview with Budo Jake.
Paulsons a cool dude,I took a day lesson from him at boxing works Hermosa Bch..and he was on the cover of a martial arts magazine across the street at a newsstand..lol,a very modest man.
Imagine if Alexander Karelin had fought in the early days of ufc, it would be bloody carnage
Make a whole channel called "Fuck the Gracie's" and fill it up with these stories.
Thank god we had someone like Sakuraba to humiliate the Gracies in early UFC otherwise they would have been promoted to demigod status of being unbeatable.
Bas Rutten also made them look like scared little men when he openly challenged Rickson on a couple of occasions.
Totally inspirational in terms of getting the truth out about the real development of grappling, JJ, Judo, Catch, etc. The Gracie facade that Helio invented leverage must be corrected. I need to know more about the Gracies beating up their instructor, makes their demand for loyalty from their students very hypocritical.
Fantastic video; it put out information I had never heard of. Certainly the great Mr Rufino Dos Santos. As a practitioner of the martial arts for many years and a former freestyle wrestler, I previously thought the greatest grappler of all time was Dan Gable, but now I’m leaning towards Dos Santos...amazing.
It was sad to here about the way he was stacked by the Gracie family. There should be a story done about him, his life ordeals and success on the mat promoting his Catch wrestling style. He was a great one, that you for sharing.
It appears the Gracie attitude was inherited, although not as severe. I would say many people in North America is not aware of a lot of these stories, since they are withheld and prevented from being out in public. Anyone here remember when Robin Gracie lost a Gracie challenge against a Frenchman (Damien Riccio), then Royce flew to Spain and went to France and started a bar fight with his goons attacking Damien Riccio.
Royce of course used the same accusation he did against Eddie Bravo, of something in the lines of You talk shit about my family. People in North America think the Gracies are gods in Brazil, but don't realise how many Brazilians hate them, since the Gracies were in the upper class and viewed the poor as low lives.
Good point bringing up the Eddie Bravo incident. I think Eddie said he was puking in the toilet after the match and Royce came in talking sh*t and trying to pick a fight.
Phil Weed Royce seems to be the most fucked up, out of the children of Helio. When he could not prove Eddie talking shit about the Gracies, he then switched it to, oh Eddie does drugs by smoking weed, thus he is a bad influence on children.
The same Royce Gracie who pissed hot after the rematch against Sakuraba.
@@alanguages I'd call it a toss up between Royce and Rickson, both are world class douchebags.
The only two Gracies I like and seem to be all around stand up guys are the grandchildren, Ryron and Rener. I especially like Rener, he just seems to love BJJ and life.
alanguages i actually heard that judo is more popular than BjJ in every part of brazil except rio
Probably because they're more privy to these things that the rest of us scarcely hear about
Excellent video and channel!!! Good to see people digging deeply into history and the full story of Japanese immigrating to Brasil beginning aboard the Kasato Maru in 1908, bringing their martial arts and other cultural aspects with them.
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This is a bombshell.
Great video. For those training in bjj - just carry on training, take what you benefit from it and do not idolise.
Remember, three serious negative aspects about bjj for street self defence:
1/. You can easily get stabbed by the guy you are grappling with. Get a bjj to wear a white T shirt and wrestle with you as you mark his t shirt with a red marker pen. See how vulnerable you are wrestling on the floor.
2/. You may have the attacker/assailant in a compromised position - a lock, etc. And his mates or mother or girlfriend kicks you in the head.
3/. The environment. You may have to roll and fall onto a curb, hardcore, gravel, etc. You could break your spine falling to the ground. Or damage yourself. No comfortable soft mats in the street.
Pete Alder excellent way to put it. Bjj, as almost any other martial art, has great self-defense potential, but it's not infallible...
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Pete Alder
I agree that some people get blinded to the reality of fighting and seem to idolise BJJ. I believe this is what you were trying to address.
But your point about the knife is exactly the same for ANY style of fighting. Give your opponent a marker and then try stand-up fighting and he will mark you many times. The point is if there is any possible chance to leave the scene before a knife fight happens take it. If you fight someone who has a knife you will get cut.
I have trained a lot of stand-up and only a tiny bit of BJJ but try to be realistic about things and not let ego get in the way of reality. I sometimes fail at this :).
But as you say keep on training hard and try to test everything you do to find the truth.
Same reason why Jigoro Kano focused on throws for self defense. You can't do unlimited newaza in the street, you'll get pub stomped, when the fight goes to the ground, finish it quickly, and if it's not possible, get back up.
Lost all respect for the Gracies and their fighting style after this video.
Me siento orgulloso de ser Catch Wrestler!!! Que gran video gracias por compartir esta historia
talk about this, Joe Rogan
Never liked the Gracies very much but I didn't know they were such filthy douchebags, what a disgrace and a shame that good honest men were victims to those criminal thugs. I have even more respect for Sakuraba now.
Very interesting...
The Gracies learned Judo from a Japanese Judo Master, re-branded it as BJJ, then marketed it using UFC.
Even that's somewhat dubious. According the 'Choque: The Untold Story of Jiujtisu in Brazil' it seems highly unlikely that Maeda (who was also a skilled Catch Wrestler BTW) spent any significant amount of time training the Gracies.
Rorion Gracie was part of organizers of 1st UFC so the participants and Royce opponents where cherry pick in a way that he wouldnt face a serious rhreat untill the end. .
Did they earn their black belt in Judo from Maeda?
Was Maeda authorized to grant rank?
So is any rank that the Gracie's grant legit?
Its just Gracie judo
@@theoptionaut.tailer7501 Mitsuyo Maeda (a judoka who's background is Kosen Judo, Kodokan Judo, Classic Jujutsu, Sumo, Catchwrestling) has a student who teached Carlos Gracie, though Maeda himself teached Carlos for a little amount of time. And that said, what the Gracies are doing is Judo all along.
Thats why I'm proud that my lineage is Fadda and Carlson.
Thank you for an amazing video. I can't wait to hear more about Donato Pires!
Well, at least we know that rules fixing is a Gracie foundational strategy.
Amazing research and effort. Great presentation too. Thank you for making this video.
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Excellent video sir. I practice mainly 2 styles BJJ and Muay Thai more that two decades. This is incredible. I've always incorporated Catch Elements in my game, first from my father, who was a wrestler with a Catch experience, which itself is a great, highly athletic and unpredictable style. Knowing a bit of Catch at least can make your game go further, especially when you are stuck in a certain mindset. The truth I've learned watching your video just shocked me.
This is great - need more videos like this one
SAKURABA (CATCH)
VS
GRACIE FAMILY
Nuff said.....
"WINNER!!! SAKURABA!!!!"
Sakuraba is one of my favorite fighters
Wow, I did not know a lot of this, great stuff man!
hmm, wish i saw this when i made my 3-4 hour video dismantling the gracies.
I'll be downloading this video for safe keep.... just in case. I also look forward to that video of the part you said was for another time.
Facts. Good to see this history getting out. I did not know about Donato Pires.
I knew Donato was their actual teacher...I didn't know the Gracie Bro's had a penchant for gang beating people!!!
THAT I did know
I read a version of this story from Carlos Gracie daughter , good to see the entire history
I am from Rio de Janeiro and sadly this history is true and we know many others histories like this of the Gracie's cowardices! In the 80's they invaded the Flavio's Molina( a true heroe) more than 20 against 5 or 6!
As a bjj freak I think this is awesome many bjj technicians can learn alot from catch wrestling
I think so too. As a BJJ Black Belt I only think it would be appropriate they would give credit to Catch Wrestling. I see academies incorporation so many Catch Wrestling techniques to BJJ but now it's "just BJJ".
These actions by the Graces was despicable.
En primer lugar los felicito por su canal y este valioso documental digno de un libro de historia,llevo 40 años estudiando Wu shu kung fu,aprecio y admiro el judo y el Cath Wrestling mismos que anhelo aprender,sólo que aquí en Monterrey México eso no existe,es triste saber que ademas de eso muchas biografias confirman lo mismo,no se le puede llamar "fundadores" de un sistema a quienes promovian la violencia y la traición,y la falta de espíritu deportivo,como toda la familia gracie,la falta de respeto a un uniforme que no merecieron llevar,ademas de ser gente muy racista,como el conocido caso de Waldemar santana,sirviente de ellos quien termino de dar una paliza a helio gracie,lo que los llevo a ser grandes fue sólo la publicidad y la enseñanza a gente de economía alta,,soy muy amante de la historia y ahí descubrí cosas tristes que no deben de repetirse,,honorables son los grandes peleadores y practicantes de la base de los mejores sistemas de lucha ,,Kung fu,shaolin Catch Wrestling,y judo ,,estas dos últimas las pesadillas del Bjj,si hay alguien grande de quien hablar dentro del Bjj sólo sería una o dos personas Oswaldo Fadda, y Luis Franca,,bendiciones a todos.
Hola Luis, muchas gracias por tu comentario. Me gustó mucho y haces muy buenos puntos. Agradezco tu apoyo al canal. Muchos saludos desde España.
Best video i've seen in years.
wow, thanks for the great compliment. Made my day. I started making videos again. I really appreciate your support 👊
Shieet, how come you never hear about this? I totally never knew, blew my mind. Thank you for sharing.
Wow, this is an excellent and well research documentary. I never knew this happened.
Thanks for sharing brother. Valuable history for any student of the game.
Thank you my man!
This is scandalous !
Genuinely shocking.
Sonny Brown you think this is shocking, wait til you hear the true story of Kimura
Although at least helio did eventually actually fight
I'm shocked
jimmy alderson where can we see the true story of kimura
Good God!!! What a cowardly act by the Gracies! I had no idea that anything like this had happened at all!
Amazing production, research and video overall! A+
Thanks man, that means a lot. I'm back making videos. Thanks for your support!
I know a lot about Gracie Jiu Jitsu history but I have never heard this before wow
Makes me not respect anything the Gracie's have done
Fantastic Video! Very informative, I had no idea some of these things happened.
Keep up the great work.
Jeff
Thank you brother, your support keeps me moving.
I think the Machados wanted to distance themselves from the negative things about Gracies. They are not as influential as the Gracies, but they do not have the skeletons in the closet, either.
I knew about the Masahiko Kimura match, but not this story. As a Catch Wrestler myself I'm very pleased.
Thank you brother. I'm back to making videos if you have time to check them out. Cheers.
You've got a new subscriber. thank you for the information, please keep it up
Much appreciated! :)
I love how interested the press was in wrestling back then.
It was indeed.
Great vid!!! Didn't know about this thanks for the interesting history lesson. Can you do a video about Masahiko Kimura vs Helio Gracie?
Thank you! I'll definitively revisit that event in the future, from the newspapers perspective. Thank your for your support.
No problem!!! You have a new subscriber!!! I learned about catch wrestling because of my Judo Sensei. He usually taught us drills and techniques from other grappling arts that could be implemented in our art. More power to you and you future videos!
That's awesome! Judo and Catch Wrestling have always complemented each other beautifully. Thank you man.
This documentary deserved every bit of praising! Thank you so much! Truth must be told. I will do my best in spreading the link.
What a disgraceful legacy, of ego and greed and winning by every means, SO OPPOSED to the real Martial Arts Spirit! And one reinforced for so long, in uncountable instances! A family of assassins indeed, Eddie Bravo nailed this one!
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Gracia por el video. Saludo desde San Diego, California
Obrigado por mostra provas sobre o que eu ja sabia a muito tempo.
Thank you for showing proof of what I had known for a long time.
Wow. Thank you for sharing this!
Thank you for watching :)
All of these videos are amazing! We need more👍👍👍
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@@DIDOS 100% will check them out! Keep it up 👍
Man, catch wrestling really needs to make a comeback here in Brazil
i saw this video years ago and think about it more than i'd like to admit. appreciate the truth
Hard truth. Thank you for your support.
didnt know that story, very interesting..all practitioners and lovers of bjj should know it
I didn't know about that... I don't see no more Helio Gracie with the same eyes
Well done sakuraba, a true warrior and martial artist
First time I watch any of your videos, amazing stuff dude! Also, I never liked the gracies...none of them
Never had much respect for the Gracie family due to several situations where they handled themselves in such a poor manner, similar to what is shown in this video. I hope Kron Gracie helps bring respect to his last name with his competition in the UFC.
Wow! I would love to see what Rener and Ryron Gracie have to say about this! Great video!!!
The best grappling art is using all grappling arts, every lock, choke, throw.
Please talk more about Donato Pires! That story was talked about in the book Choque.
Did you continue this series? I really would like to hear more regarding this matter, great reporting, thanks for looking for the truth in the face of deceit.
Thank you for your words. There are more videos to come on these subjects. Again, thank you for watching.
Wow! this is an eye opener❤🇵🇭
I`ve been following this sport since its inception into the man stream since the 90`s, and I always knew there was something about the Gracie legacy that rubbed me up the wrong way....now I know why. Shame on them
even though i have never heard this stories i always asked myself how that maeda is not credited as the father of bjj, because he was the one that had hundereds of fights in no rules fighting. also maeda tought many others besides gracies, like oswaldo fadda and he had a huge lineage of bjj practitioners, so how the fuck gracies are considered the fathers of bjj, when there is a huge bjj lineage that doesnt come from gracies, but maeda himself? the history of bjj should be reconsidered and maeda should be the father of bjj.
+MateMatxxx None of the Gracies actually even trained with Maeda either. They actually trained with Maedas student, Donato Pires.
Im a black belt in BJJ also. No martial art has ever been able to contain Catch Wrestlers. Don't know why, but even Mitsuyo Maeda in his 2000+ no holds bar fights, lost 2 times to catch wrestlers. Those were his only losses. And his rules were no rules. He just preferred that.
Thank you for this
Thank you man!
Excelent video , try to look for the Luta Livre vs Bjj wars on the 70's and 80's theres a lot more of these gracie stories , with academy invasions e chalenges .