Palladium & Silver recovery from MLCC's
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- Monolithic Ceramic Capacitors (MLCC's) from older electronics contain up to 2% Palladium & 10% Silver by weight depending on processing methods and quality of mlcc.
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Whilst very current mlcc's may contain less Palladium then before, those high end electronics are just coming into play, most electronics a scrapper will find is 4 years old or more, meaning e-waste of today can still be loaded with high Pd content mlcc's.
MLCC's from factory supplies that are sold in 1kg bags online do not contain much Palladium or Silver, Only buy MLCC's from scrapped PC's which are higher grade then aftermarket copies.
we are all trying to learn so if you have more info to share about mlcc's and palladium recovery then tell us about it.
Palladium spot price is holding steady so well worth picking mlcc's.
MLCC is almost exclusively owned by Japanese company murata.
The palladium used in MLCCs is currently being switched to nickel and began to switch around 2001.
When collecting palladium, it is recommended to collect MLCCs from equipment older than 2001.
+eWaste Ben As usual, Ben has produced yet another important and highly informative video for us ALL to learn a great deal of accurate info. As of yesterday, I have watch 95% of every video he has produced which has taken me many months but has been well worth my spare time. Ben is definitely a very good person with loads of wisdom he gladly shares.
Agreed Stormy. :P
Fanboy. Ben makes horrible videos WITH BS that is wrong. Gold yields he finds on the internet and thinks there accurate when they're WAY OFF. He makes click bait videis and diesnt tzlk about the most important thing with MLCCs, the old ones that are dipped or box type through hole. ALMOST ALL MLCCs that are surface mount contain only baae metals. You can easily look this up online for free but most people never do
@Stormtrooper1488 intelligent? About what? Giving horrible information and making people lose money? HE IS ONLY A SCRAPPER, Period. He knows absolutely nothing about yields or how to process anything thats why you never him do it even though he said he would YEARA AGO
@Stormtrooper1488 He knows barely anything about Hardware and treats it like shit even though he says I can resell this or that, not when it doesnt work. No one should trust anything this guy says unless your only looking to scrap and want to know what things are called on a board but anyone can know that if you do a google search BUT those people are better off leaving boards alone so a scrap yard or ewste buyer doesnt give you less money just because you wanted to be like ewaste ben and end up finding out most of this shit is impossible to sell unless you give it away for cheap or get extremely luck. Eamples, tantalum and Oscillators. Very few buyers and very low prices, even ebay these items barely sell
George here from America again. Awesome video Ben. I'm watching it several times. Good to know how much I should sell my mlccs for. Will do that so that the refiner can make his/her money. I'm your student sucking up all the knowledge you have to offer. Thanks so very much. Keep on scrapping mate.
Remove big capacitors, Warm the board to melt solder in a convection oven, pluck off bigger connectors, scrape with a paint scraper. Separate with a magnet. The resistors are ok to have mixed in because they have silver on the ends.
Best explanation I’ve found so far, thank you really appreciate the quality and clarity
I pulverized a small batch of these, from four different makers. Then applied silver test solution to the powder. First tested the silver test solution on a .999 silver round. Positive test for silver. The test on the MMLC powder was negative for silver. Repeated the test 3 times. Under a 30x scope the powder looked like nickel. Am going to do a fire assay on some and see what the results are. Nickel will go to the slag. Nickel is widely used for metal plating and as a electrical charge holder.
+David Howard some don't have silver contacts and no palladium either, but I don't think your testing methods is how they do it, you would want to refine that powder and drop the silver out, then test wouldn't you?
Firstly MLCCs means MUltilayer Ceramic Capacitors not Monolithic Ceramic Capacitors. Many videos claim they contain gold ,they do not.
Also it has been the avowed aim of every MLCC manufacturer to eliminate Palladium from being used as a constituent of the electrode alloy (used to be 70% silver 30% Palladium ) so many other metals have been used as substitutes eg, Lead, copper etc with some success, This is because the supplyof palladium is volatiles and expensive. The main metal recovered is Silver from the terminations (mixed with glass), If you want to make money it is no use relying on the sellers estimate of Palladium content you must obtain an assay before you buy, and believe me you will find very little Palladium in it in most cases.
former AVX Technical manager.
thanks.
what if we buy in india , where sellers know little about estimates
Take care folks with the MLCCs. I scraped almost half a kilo of them over the past 2 years, later I found out, that there are 2 types of MLCCs, BME and PME (base metal / precious metal). BME MLCCs contain no Pd, they contain Nickel instead and are magnetic... I tested my MLCCs with a harddrive magnet, more then 2/3 of them are magnetic... =(
+TAWNY BME's have only been in production for 5 years and not many things we scrap are new, they still make class 1 mlcc's.
you mostly have inductors that look like mlcc's, they have code "L" on the board and are easily confused with mlcc's because they look the same.
no, its like you said, you can only trust yourself with MLCCs and I am sure, I had just scraped capacitors, didnt touch any inductors. Well, it was alot of work to scarp and collect them, and I was really disapointed, when I found out about it and run a magnet on them... have you checked yours, how much of them are magnetic? Well, I would guess, really good non magnetic MLCCs can only be found in 1990s hardware. Anything later then 2000 only if its high-end hardware like servers...
+TAWNY i'm pretty sure even the ceramic has some magnetism to them, a hard drive magnet is very strong so would pick up most of them, maybe try a regular magnet and the ones that get picked up then you could throw out.
think the colored mobo's, red/blue etc might have the new style mlcc's, I just pick 'em all and hope for the best if I refine them.
@@eWasteBen hello, so I was wondering if you've ever scrapped a hospital laser? I got two rather large Exima 380 lasers and it looks like there is a lot of good stuff inside but i don't know if it is dangerous to be screwing around with lasers. Thanks for any advice you might have.
You can sell those old laser heads and power supplies they use to tinkerers like myself for more than what you would get for scrap. Do you still have any? I might buy or trade for one, as I could likely use the parts.
As always, excellent video Ben. Love your thoroughness and methodologies. Here's a suggestion, put together 30 of your best videos on a DVD, or even all of them in date order and sell them.
Thank you very much Sir, I learnt a lot . and even i would be much pleased if released a video about refining mlccs. Thank you again..!
A really rough 1600. This current day - amazing seeing the price change...still taking me to school - thanks for what you do B -
Cheers for info i did not know they were worth that much and you did not blag on the more you say the more we learn, we earn.
Thank you for this valuable information. It's good to know the prices of these precious metals & their retail value.
Good also to be informed as to the different elements on a circuit board..
I read palladium is twice the price of gold right now.
You can get a multi purpose tool and get a blade that's small and thin just like your screwdriver maybe a little bit bigger you turn that thing on and when you see The row you want you to go across from not touching anything else and you won't have all that holding it down with your hand sticking yourself with a screwdriver just a suggestion sir Give it a shot
5 years old and still valid, except palladium has doubled in price now
Hi Ben, as far as backyard scrapping and recovery goes, I include MLCI with my MLCC during the silver recovery part. For me, why discard a source of silver in MLCI's? I can see that from your point of view of buying strickly MLCC's that MLCI's would be a problem.
Thank you for sharing. Very insightful. I don't sell or buy but I do refine this for myself.
+Geo Could you make a video of that the next time you do it? There aren't a lot of MLCC refining videos out there (if any) and for us visual learners it's a great way to gather knowledge!
+Rallerman Awesomezz yeah a lot of people want to see this, I too am a visual learner, I can read 10 pages on the subject and not get it, show me once and i'm a master :)
+Rallerman Awesomezz Sure thing. I have a one pound sample I've been meaning to process. Watch for it in the future on my channel.
+Geo Thanks Geo, that'd be awesome! Can't wait!
+Rallerman Awesomezz goldnscrap.com has alot of good info but its more broad then just standard knowledge and his youtube page is indeeditdoes and there slideshows
MLCI : multi layer ceramic inductor
MLCC : multi layer ceramic capacitor
Very interesting and helpful video. Thx for going into so much details explaining it Ben.
Hey Ben, can these things be absolutely tiny? I have so many on my board but they are tiny and usually start to break apart when trying to remove them. I've been trying to hoard all the pieces but is there any easier way? Thanks
Monolithic capacitors have mostly palladium. To remove them from computer scrap there is an extra step and that is to get the lead and silver out first I have a video on my page of this process only talking about it though.
+broch clinton I'm interested your method ........What do I have to do
It's insane. that paladium price was so low.
Quick Question. How many lbs of boards did it take to acquire 1KG of MLCC's
I like this video real lessons learned. Stay up Ben.
I had heard ( ONLY CXXX ) are palladium, and the ones with only 1 or 2 numbers are not ( CX or CXX ).
so it's not all with C .. it has to have 3 numbers ??
Can you please verify that ?
im very new to this but have got into it through you're and other people's videos on the subject, and much like you just feel sick with the amount of needless material being through into landfill site's, like I say im very new to this but have learnt from you to be selective on what to de pop from a board, I get you're point its so easy to look at a board and assume mlci's an mlcc's are identical but followed your advice on the c - code, also I've noticed the colour is different mlcc's being a beigey brown mlci's being mainly black could be wrong on that though, thanks for the inspiration
Ben, I'm sure this question is asked a lot but I haven't seen it. Lets say I gather a lot of scrap, perform the recovery and even the refining process myself. Where exactly does one unload two or three ounces of Palladium? Gold and silver are easy, every pawn shop in the country will buy your gold and silver (though at a much-reduced price). How does one go about moving large amounts of Palladium, tantalum, etc? Great video! One of the better ones out there on e-waste. Keep up the good work!
you wold sell precious metals to a bullion dealer, not a pawn shop, they would buy palladium no problem.
tantalum capacitors can just be sold to a buyer as it's not likely you will be able to process it, requires very high temp's to melt
thank you very much for these rich description.
How? How do you recover those metal from those components? You only show us how to gather components. Buckets and buckets of components. But, when and how do you recover those metals?
can we do palladium recovery with new type mlcc capacitors?
I come across a lot of boards where they are not labeled. Frustrating. Any suggestions?
Ive yet to see a electronics recovery video. I know how to scrape them off the board. ???
Great video. Learned a lot 👍🏾
Man that is such an awesome motherboard.....
Fantastic video! Very educational. Thank you!
why don't you put mlcc into a smelter and let silver melt first. The remaining solid should be palladium
Guten Abend unser Da doch!
When you de-populate a board via an air hammer... how do you separate MLCCs from MCLIs and MLCRs (resistors) since off the board there are no codes to read and they all look a like? Or in that case you just process them all together? Thanks!
+Scappin' Cricket yeah not much you can do there aside when you get them refined you will just have less palladium/silver ratio, I do try and remove bigger mlcc's first by hand, the small ones and crumbles will just go in another tub and processed after the hand picked one's are.
But if you want to be picky then do them by hand first, that way you will have a nice clean batch.
+eWaste Ben Thank you for replying back and being helpfully honest :)
Good job.!’
Is actually muti layered ceramic capacitors but no worries 👍
I come by some grayish ones that start with CP. Do they also contain palladium?
can we use any kind of mlcc capacitor?
What are the ones that are labeled with f or fb???
Since I've watched this the 1st time 11 months ago today. I started to get the boards and pick the mlcc, keep in mind I only do this 1 to 3 days a week and I've already got more than a 2lbs or a kilo! Probably getting close to 3lbs.
GREAT VIDEO!!!
hey thanks for such great information . i have learned a lot watching this .
you need to change the title to "this is a capacitor, this is an inductor", since that's all you basically said, ad nauseum, for almost 20 minutes.
Very Informative, Thanks! Scrap On!
Thank you so much, the information was very good.
Please note, that not all MLCCs contain palladium. Some just use Nickel. And there is no easy way telling which one has Pd in them and which one doesn´t. You can use a magnet to sort out nickel carrying MLCCs (nickel is magnetic) but even those nickel based MLCCs may contain Pd. So there really is no easy way to find out before recovering the PMs. From my practical experience 2% Pd and 10% Ag is a maximum, yet possible. Recovery is a pain in the a.. but that is another story. Not suitable for beginners.
Yeah I explain NME & BME MLCC's in the mlcc melt video which should be finished in a week or so.
The nickel based mlcc's or BME's don't contain any PM's but the NME's contain nickel which is why they are both magnetic to a degree
Tremendous HELP! thank you
If your processing the mlcc's yourself is it as critical to make sure they arent inductors?
William Ela Probably not but you still want clean product with as little contaminants as possible when processing mlcc's.
Resistors can be processed for other metals like ruthenium.
I saw that comment and you stated that you didnt know if the ruthenium could be processed. Did you find out somethin else in that time?
William Ela They're getting it at the highest level of refining, like Umicor.
I'm still looking into it but there's no reason Ruthenium can't be extracted from the thick film resistors.
The one's with a black top and numbers on it like 135, 325 etc.
eWaste Ben Thanks! ive been scrapping for a while and have started geetting into depopolationg mother boards! MY personal favorite areMLCC's
I got a few circuit boards that has the letters BC, PR, rp, cr, pq, ect. If you can tell me what they mean, I would be very thankful!!! And also I have something that looks like a resistor black but it has ted numbers on it, is that a resistor, too? I love your videos!
You are a cool dude.
Thanks for sharing mate.
eWaste Ben, Thank you for "signifying" which is which!!!!
You got to the point just fine , good to know how many it takes to make it worth it.
Hi Ben, do you have a way I could send a picture for your opinion/clarification of mlcc's and what I question to be mlcc?
Proximately how many regular motherboards are necessary for 1kg MLCC ?
Gotta be in the hundreds, if not 1000s.
thanks for this!
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Thank you Ben.
Use a magnet to pick em up lol works a treat ; )
Is the yellow shiny spots on the motherboard are gold? i am just curious to know
Thank you very informative
Very informative thank you 🙏
just another quick question have u made any gold or silver bars yet? i wish i could get as many computers as u have.its so hard here in the us as i try to make some post on craigslist and people just flag it all the time so my only luck is to fin d looking in neighborhoods in garbage
+Nate Chaps no i haven't refined anything, just building it up to do when i cant pick stuff up anymore.
1st I seen of this.. liked and subbed
I tried quickly to write in the forum but couldn't figure it out quickly enough , so I was wondering if u could answer one more question. what is the silver stuff on the end of these Flat connection wires/paper? ribbon like, I see on many it is good but im coming across silver ones. are these precious metals?
+Raymond Reyes Tin
+eWaste Ben it's TIN?
yep Tin, rarely silver, when it is silver it's not shiny it's a flat grey
Another quick question Ben.. I have a laptop board with what i think are some nice mlcc's. there the brown ones but they say PC instead of just C. I believed they were because some of the non black ones are labeled PL instead of just L. I just want to be sure..
yeah sounds ok, the L are inductors so makes sense if the mlcc's are PC
Yeah that's what I thought.. Cool, thanks again!!
are they still good to keep if u break them im having a very hard time getting them off without breaking them,as i watch u just use a screw driver ,u make it look easy but not for me so far!any suggestions?
+Nate Chaps many mlcc's do break, it's ok, keep the dust too, palladium dust is good, if you sell them most know they have a portion of crumbled ones
Gday, how do they do it on industrial scale? Do they just throw everything into a furnace to melt everything and separate metals by melting points?
the main problem would be plastic fumes.
+GEZZA1 Not melted, they grind the boards down to a fine powder and use eddy currents to seperate the metals, plastic etc. it's a very clean process.
Ran into something depopulating mlcc's.If on the board if there is a letter before the c is it still a mlcc for example one says tc66 etc.
Hi. Why do you even bother on getting them off of the boards since there is almost none palladium in modern MLCCs?
depends what yur taking them off from, not all board manufacturers use low grade MLCC's. don't believe one or two articles on the web.
do these run on the board at the bottom of any digital screenon laptop tv or any other flatscreen
Hello, I have a question, or MLCC on the motherboard of laptops which are marked as "PC 203, 103 , ..." and have the same color as capacitors C also may palladium and silver? I might add that there are a lot on the motherboard and I wonder if they Scraping
+Paweł Hi, yes, PC are mlcc's, sometimes MC also.
Thank you very much for your reply and all videos. Scraping Time
They all have silver and its no waste .
What about MLCC looking parts labled EC or MC? Excellent video btw :)
+Jukka Nyholm there's no standard code with EC or MC, it's probably manufacturers code added to the C, so if it looks like an mlcc then it will be
+eWaste Ben Oh damn, I've got a pile of boards to go through again :D
Palladium, 10/25/19 is currently U.S. $1750 Oz. Wow, has it jumped up in the past nearly 4 years. Thank you so much for this info. ❤️ (Yes, I’m watching your old vids awaiting a new post from you 😊)
مرحبا استاذي لديا كمية كبيرة من هذا المكثفات. هل استطيع بيعها
Hi Ben, great informative video. A question : no gold in MLCC ? I saw a vid on 41kg refining of MLCC, and the guys extract some gold of it. Any guess ?
can't see where the gold would be but who know's, there may be some mlcc's where they used gold instead of palladium but i've never seen anything written about it
Some mlcc’s might have gold braze in the solder.
Ok here is a question...among the little brown MLCC's I see a few larger yellow squares.. are those MLCC's? because they are labeled with a C. I have about 2 pounds of them.
bantalee2002 They are Tantalum capacitors the yellow ones.
Ty.
Where do you sell your metals too do you know of any good refinering companies that
Buy boards?
What would happen if mix the mlcc and mlci together? Will we still get pure silver over it? Cause its pretty hard to tell which is which. And most of the circuit board not state it.
silver, yes. but no palladium in mlci. inductor code on board is "L"
Ben - I've watched this vid a few times and just noticed a thick film resistor on your finger at time stamp 00:49. It must have snuck through your sorting.
yeah possibly, I got a small batch from a scrapper and it got mixed in, no matter, wouldn't do much harm
what is the total weight of MLCC'S present in one PC?
Very little, those are surface mount components , so theyvare very little
we love watching you. Thanks for the good info. stay safe
L is for LOSER, C is for CHAMPION!!!
Hi friend ewaste, i AM subscribe to you channel and would very much like you to ask me a question,what reagents and precipitant do you use to extract 2% Palladium?
But you don't show recovery of Palladium or silver. "Palladium & Silver recovery from MLCC" is very different from "Recovery of MLCCs for Palladium & Silver".
+92130dude I didn't say "how to" we can talk about pm recovery, why not?
refining is the word you hoped I said.
if I did a video called tasty hot dogs, am I eating a hot dog, making a hot dog or just showing you a hot dog?
MLCC = "MultiLayer Ceramic Capacitor" I never heard of Monolythic ceramic capacitor.
thank you
superb channel and video as well! but i ve got some old mobile phones circuit mother boards and i ve looked for marks on them next to theese MLCCs and there is non. So how do i know what is what on boards like this? it is really hard to tell just by color sandy looking MLCC. i want to get the highest rate as you mentioned. thanks
lubiatty1 Sometimes the codes will be in a group near the corresponding group of mlcc's. But mobile phones are known to have high quality components and those that look like an mlcc most likely will be so i'd be comfortable with putting them in my mlcc tub.
thanks for advice. i dont see any marks next to anything there at all. but i believe they are all MLCCs, hopfully. thanks again!
Where do u take these mlcc's to make money?
what type of board is that?
C1190 etc = Cxxxx = silver [C only]
R3485 etc = Lxxxx, Rxxxx etc = palladium
correct me if I'm wrong
C stands for Capacitor, could be any type of capacitor, only MLCC's have the silver/palladium.
R is a Resistor
L is an Inductor
How about the extraction of the elements?
very usefull video dude
they seem to be magnetic to a neodymium, are the magnetic ones not silver and palladium?
Some magnetic ones are as palladium mlcc's can also have a little nickel, usually the ones that only barely stick to a magnet.
Why this things sticks to the magnet?
nickel
You every thought about processing your own precious metals yourself using nitric acid , hydrochloric acid ect , as I process my own silver using nitric acid using scrap jewelry, pc parts, old sterling cutlery ,ornaments ects , all u need is scrap ,nitric acid, distilled water ,copper to process out silver and protective gear.
Thanks for knowledge.
Have you ever sold them? I can buy them new for pennies. I doubt its worth the time to harvest them.
no I will be refining them
very informative. thx