Rhaenyra standing around and doing nothing always blows my mind. The least she could've done was either mount Syrax and fight back herself, or fly her two remaining sons to the Vale and wait (which probably would've been the best option).
She could've fly quickly to the dragon pit and command and help with the liberation of dragons. I believed they just would've fly away, but who can say for certain.
Viserys II is alive and reigned after his nephews Daeron the Young Dragon and Baelor the Blessed. He fathered Aegon the Unworthy(who probably poisoned him). Rhaenyras line was rotten to the core.
Rhaenyra was so damn lazy during the Dance, she didn't participate in any of the damned battles. She could've went with Rhaenys to Rooks Rest but didn't, she could've participated in the battle of the gullet but instead her son Jacaerys did and died in that battle, then she didn't go with Daemon to take out Aemond.
Her dragon wasn't a fighting dragon, Syrax was a breeding dragon, Rhaenyra also didn't know how to fight and didn't send her oldest son jace to fight, she told him to stay put but he ignored her and went to try get his brother back and died and again she didn't know daemon had sent a raven to battle with aemond so she couldn't help in that either, she wasn't lazy but she did make alot of mistakes during the war
I have the theory that Larys Strong was the one who controlled and organised the storming of the dragon pit. Larys never left KL after Rhaenyra took the city , just hid in the shadows. The Shepherd could have been Larys’ tool to destabilise Rhaneryra’s reign.
@@jav744 we will eventually learn what happened to him in HOD, what is certain is that he was plotting in the shadows while Rhaenyra sat on the Iron Throne. Many events could be attributed to his doing…
Plus it would also explain how the shepherd’s support went from tens of thousands to only 300 men by the time Boros got there, if larys was propping him up and suddenly stopped it makes more sense than 99% of his followers vanishing
I kinda imagine that episode being a bit like the battle of the blackwater episode with the focus solely on events in king's landing. I think it kinda supports the idea that not only did they not ride each others dragons, but there is also some kind of other factor involved like telepathy or something
I first caught on to Game of Thrones via the show before I even knew of the books. So I use to wonder why Daenerys only seemed to ride and care more for Dragon than Viserion and Rhaegal. Now I glad I know there's a reason why that is.
@@rohaankhan7523 more like just three the dance of the dragon wars only last two years they not gonna stretch that into six or eight seasons. Maybe four at the most.
Bruv the city was already freaking out cause they thought the great Hightower army was going to descend on them from Tumbleton and wreak havoc(especially since they had the two betrayers and their dragons).Rhaenyra would’ve killed a bunch of innocents as well if she mounted Syrax.That would’ve been horrible PR
She was a bad leader who let others do the work for her. Do you think Aemond or Aegon the elder would have acted this way? They would have killed every single one of them
@@Noone91875 True but Aegon II is still seen as the rightful successor of Viserys I whilst Rhaenyra is seen as a Usurper. Aegon III was put on the throne solely because he was Daemons son, not because of Rhaenyra. This was all caused because of Viserys indecisiveness, he should of just kept Daemon as his Heir and married Rhaenyra to him because their children technically already rule right now except they'd still have all their dragons and possibly more. Viserys I is the sole reason why everything went to shit! weak ass leader!
@Daemon Targaryen And while literally everyone around her including her kid sons were making massive contributions to her campaign or died trying. There was a point where Criston was dead, Aemond was dead, Aegon was in hiding, and she held King's Landing. She had all the cards and somehow still failed. All she had to do was hop on Syrax and do stuff. Maegor with tits more like Maegor without balls. She says she wants to die a knights death but she clearly doesn't want to back those words up by actually risking her life and fighting. Also, she doesn't give a damn about making lives better for the other female heiress's and the bastards of the realm even though that's what she and her son's are. She's very self centered. Daenerys on the other hand is genuinely good, not a coward, has a stronger claim, more decisive, and is definitely a better ruler.
well, unfortunately, yes she was never been one to be of sound strategic mind. All that was Daemon and the other time was Lanaor. Thanks to how she was raised she's not built for war but, TBH that's no surprise given that her father was Viserys.
Before this part of the book I was confused by people saying Rhaenyra is like Cersei but her time in Kingslanding definitely shows the similarities (neglect of smallfolk and paranoia).
i too shared that opinion before i read the book, but i think it was clear by this point she was starting to really decline in her mental health and decision making ability
I find it hard to believe that it was just the common folk who killed the dragons considering how well armed many of them were with examples of huge axes spears and crossbows I feel like whatever was left the warriors sons helped
I guess they could have raided the city watch, but it’s one thing getting a weapon and another using it. I suspect there were quite a lot of people planted by the faith in the mob
@@WorldOfWesteros They could’ve either stormed the armory beforehand,that very night or gathered just cross bows.The attackers were commoners and axes are used in the work and home lives of many common folk so they’d have a bunch of axes at their disposal
I have the theory that Larys Strong was the one who controlled and organised the storming of the dragon pit. Larys never left KL after Rhaenyra took the city , just hid in the shadows. The Shepherd could have been Larys’ tool to destabilise Rhaneryra’s reign.
@@renatoovelar7442 maybe but it’s super unlikely since that preacher was saying all dragons abs Targaryens are evil, and if Larys did orchestrate this revolt, it was dumb of him, since all the dragons were killed, meaning the dragons of the greens and Blacks, and that would only leave a dying sunfyre, Vhagar who was hunting Caraxes and sheep stealer (so a risky 2vs1) Tessarion, who was around Ulf the white with Vermithor and the other dragon seed who had Solverwing (both traitors and men who could not be counted on) and seasmoke who was Addam waters/Velaryons dragon, so all in all there are only 2 dragons of the greens left that can fight, and 3 dragons of the blacks that can fight and 2 more large dragons that could switch sides at anytime. So if Larys did do this, it was risky abs a bad move
@@DTS_I But she didn't. Which is why that mob was allowed to prosper. The only consolation was a majority of that mob was left disfigured or died alongside the dragons they killed. I look forward to seeing the shepherd in any case. Even if it is 2 years till the next season. Apparently he makes the GOT Sparrow look like a Choir Boy.
The violent end of all 3 of Rhaenrya's children sired by Ser Strong seems to all but confirm they were not Laenor's children. The violent ending falls in line with curse they bare.
Yeah bastards who lived as bastards publicly are usually fine. But in this case, it’s treason because Rhaenyra is pretending that they weren’t and is usurping House Targaryen and Velaryon, so makes sense that the weird laws of Planetos set shit to rights
I actually believe he’s already finished volume 2, but knows if he publishes it before winds it’s going to anger lots of people. The same thing happened with volume 1 Lots of reviews just complain it wasn’t winds
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 this story is complete, the part 2 would focus more on the blackfyre rebellion, aka, the 3rd Targaryen civil war (dance of the dragons was the 2nd)
Do you believe that "Robin" the candle makers daughter is real? For me yes, mainly cause rumors come one or 2 things Spite: something the blacks did to the greens to make them seem wrong on the throne 2. People who see what happens, but both if not all have different views on what each other saw That's why I thought she was real(that and I imagine she would have had to come out and see what hit the roofs)
if the details are true is one matter. But i do think there was a robin like figure, be that a candle makers daughter or not. So it is a mix of fact and fiction
@@WorldOfWesteros so In other words she could have been a real person, but as far as her being a "candle makers daughter" might be false? Seems logical as how would anyone know she was a 🕯 makers daughter 🤔
Kids Civillians Golden cloaks Dragons are not safe of war In fact this dragons where the little ones, i really blame Rhaenyra about all the dumb decisions even if the greens started the economic problems
@@WorldOfWesteros It's also ironic as well since both Joffrey's have a similar origin being the bastard sons of Queens who have been passed off on a different father.
They're gonna change all these things knowing the writers,, they going for the rheanyra is a super amazing independent woman feminist. So she might not even die.
It really depends how a lot of the stuff that happens before it is handled. If they are going to go down the Rhaenyra slowly losing her mind thanks to all the loss route, then i suspect they will make it tragic.
Rhaenyra has a grown dragon she could have flown over the rioters and firebombed them. Generally it would have been better to defend the dragonpit then the dragonpit.
@@WorldOfWesteros I see thanks for the information Last question, no one has ever told me why King Viserys never decreed that Jace and Helena would be bond in marriage. Something like that could really alleviate tensions. In the show Rhaenerya makes the same proposal and gets shot down but the king liked it. Just seemed like an oversight to me
@@ralphdadon3026 that just doesn’t hold water cause Viserys wanted to stop the feud for the safety of his house and the dream her had. He forced rhaenerya to marry or lose her place as heir REGARDLESS OF HOW SHE FELT for the good of the realm. This show is telling me he has a backbone only when the plot demanded it or his sickness got ahold of his mental faculties. The conflict didn’t start with him but he was weak cause he missed multiple opportunities to postpone it further
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Rhaenyra standing around and doing nothing always blows my mind. The least she could've done was either mount Syrax and fight back herself, or fly her two remaining sons to the Vale and wait (which probably would've been the best option).
She could've fly quickly to the dragon pit and command and help with the liberation of dragons. I believed they just would've fly away, but who can say for certain.
She was just like her father. Too slow to act
This is way aegon was the better king like him or hate him he acted when he must
Yeah all she had to do was take Syrax and roast the crowd trying to enter the pit.
Ironic how all the bastards of hers were killed and only her children with Daemon set to rule. They both did get what they wanted in a cruel way.
daemons 2girls also survived
Viserys 2 died and aegon 3 lived a terrible life without family but he full filled his duty
Viserys II is alive and reigned after his nephews Daeron the Young Dragon and Baelor the Blessed. He fathered Aegon the Unworthy(who probably poisoned him). Rhaenyras line was rotten to the core.
aegon the seconds line probably wouldnt have been much better
@@notorious7433 viserys 2 lived 60 plus years
Rhaenyra was so damn lazy during the Dance, she didn't participate in any of the damned battles. She could've went with Rhaenys to Rooks Rest but didn't, she could've participated in the battle of the gullet but instead her son Jacaerys did and died in that battle, then she didn't go with Daemon to take out Aemond.
Her dragon wasn't a fighting dragon, Syrax was a breeding dragon, Rhaenyra also didn't know how to fight and didn't send her oldest son jace to fight, she told him to stay put but he ignored her and went to try get his brother back and died and again she didn't know daemon had sent a raven to battle with aemond so she couldn't help in that either, she wasn't lazy but she did make alot of mistakes during the war
Aegons the man
No Targaryen Dragon Damsel after Aegon's life would match those of his wives and Dany
The nicest Prince Joffrey in the entire series
& he died a terrible fate 😭😥(& this joffrey didn't deserve to die )
Was there more than 2?
@@dabratlaboratoriesreviews4659 laenors boyfriend was also called joffrey
@@dabratlaboratoriesreviews4659 And the crazy one on GOT so 3 that I know of
he wasnt nice
I have the theory that Larys Strong was the one who controlled and organised the storming of the dragon pit. Larys never left KL after Rhaenyra took the city , just hid in the shadows. The Shepherd could have been Larys’ tool to destabilise Rhaneryra’s reign.
dude never left the red keep i think
@@jav744 we will eventually learn what happened to him in HOD, what is certain is that he was plotting in the shadows while Rhaenyra sat on the Iron Throne. Many events could be attributed to his doing…
It's highly likely it was Larys, maybe even warging into a man like Bran learns to
Plus it would also explain how the shepherd’s support went from tens of thousands to only 300 men by the time Boros got there, if larys was propping him up and suddenly stopped it makes more sense than 99% of his followers vanishing
He is also the one who orchestrated Aegon II death, what a schemer
I don't get why Rhaenyra didn't leave Joffrey at the Vale until the war was completely over. He would've loved if she had left him there.
Poses problems on succession to the Throne
Maybe Rhaenyra is at the Paranoia level and probably a bit motherly protective in worse way possible to her kids. Also has Trust issues.
I can't wait to see this scene in house of the dragon. And I love how this shows why Targaryens never rode each other's dragon.
I kinda imagine that episode being a bit like the battle of the blackwater episode with the focus solely on events in king's landing. I think it kinda supports the idea that not only did they not ride each others dragons, but there is also some kind of other factor involved like telepathy or something
I first caught on to Game of Thrones via the show before I even knew of the books. So I use to wonder why Daenerys only seemed to ride and care more for Dragon than Viserion and Rhaegal. Now I glad I know there's a reason why that is.
You do know you have to wait like 4 or 5 years to see this scene because it happens during the beginning of the ending of the story
@@rohaankhan7523 more like just three the dance of the dragon wars only last two years they not gonna stretch that into six or eight seasons. Maybe four at the most.
@@roguerodriguez8215 its going on every where that the show will have 5 or 6 seasons
It was big mistake he came back from Vale after Jace's death. He wanted be brave like his older brothers and he died like them
Rhaneyra being stupid here all she had to do was mount her dragon and roast shepherd in the streets which would have prevented
How old is she and she can’t even fight what do u expect tbh
@@kurtissilva8951 He’s wrong but not for the reason you mentioned
Bruv the city was already freaking out cause they thought the great Hightower army was going to descend on them from Tumbleton and wreak havoc(especially since they had the two betrayers and their dragons).Rhaenyra would’ve killed a bunch of innocents as well if she mounted Syrax.That would’ve been horrible PR
She was a bad leader who let others do the work for her. Do you think Aemond or Aegon the elder would have acted this way? They would have killed every single one of them
@@redwarrior9100 they were just as bad wtf are u on
All of the strong boys died.
So happy 😁
but nothing like the ridiculous death of the one-eye xdd
So as all of alicent sons.
@@jav744 bro the bastards died ridiculous deaths aemond died like a warrior
@@Noone91875 True but Aegon II is still seen as the rightful successor of Viserys I whilst Rhaenyra is seen as a Usurper. Aegon III was put on the throne solely because he was Daemons son, not because of Rhaenyra. This was all caused because of Viserys indecisiveness, he should of just kept Daemon as his Heir and married Rhaenyra to him because their children technically already rule right now except they'd still have all their dragons and possibly more.
Viserys I is the sole reason why everything went to shit! weak ass leader!
if only Rhaenera mounted her own dragon and straived the streets clean of those storming the dragonpit
@Daemon Targaryen And while literally everyone around her including her kid sons were making massive contributions to her campaign or died trying. There was a point where Criston was dead, Aemond was dead, Aegon was in hiding, and she held King's Landing. She had all the cards and somehow still failed. All she had to do was hop on Syrax and do stuff. Maegor with tits more like Maegor without balls. She says she wants to die a knights death but she clearly doesn't want to back those words up by actually risking her life and fighting. Also, she doesn't give a damn about making lives better for the other female heiress's and the bastards of the realm even though that's what she and her son's are. She's very self centered. Daenerys on the other hand is genuinely good, not a coward, has a stronger claim, more decisive, and is definitely a better ruler.
I agree. I’m pretty sure Daenarys would have tried to save the dragons.
Yep, she lets Daemon, Corlys, Jacerys, and Rhaenys do all the work
well, unfortunately, yes she was never been one to be of sound strategic mind. All that was Daemon and the other time was Lanaor. Thanks to how she was raised she's not built for war but, TBH that's no surprise given that her father was Viserys.
@Daemon Targaryen As I like saying, Rhaenyra was the Green's biggest asset
Before this part of the book I was confused by people saying Rhaenyra is like Cersei but her time in Kingslanding definitely shows the similarities (neglect of smallfolk and paranoia).
Maegor tits
i too shared that opinion before i read the book, but i think it was clear by this point she was starting to really decline in her mental health and decision making ability
I find it hard to believe that it was just the common folk who killed the dragons considering how well armed many of them were with examples of huge axes spears and crossbows I feel like whatever was left the warriors sons helped
I guess they could have raided the city watch, but it’s one thing getting a weapon and another using it. I suspect there were quite a lot of people planted by the faith in the mob
@@WorldOfWesteros They could’ve either stormed the armory beforehand,that very night or gathered just cross bows.The attackers were commoners and axes are used in the work and home lives of many common folk so they’d have a bunch of axes at their disposal
I have the theory that Larys Strong was the one who controlled and organised the storming of the dragon pit. Larys never left KL after Rhaenyra took the city , just hid in the shadows. The Shepherd could have been Larys’ tool to destabilise Rhaneryra’s reign.
@@renatoovelar7442 maybe but it’s super unlikely since that preacher was saying all dragons abs Targaryens are evil, and if Larys did orchestrate this revolt, it was dumb of him, since all the dragons were killed, meaning the dragons of the greens and Blacks, and that would only leave a dying sunfyre, Vhagar who was hunting Caraxes and sheep stealer (so a risky 2vs1) Tessarion, who was around Ulf the white with Vermithor and the other dragon seed who had Solverwing (both traitors and men who could not be counted on) and seasmoke who was Addam waters/Velaryons dragon, so all in all there are only 2 dragons of the greens left that can fight, and 3 dragons of the blacks that can fight and 2 more large dragons that could switch sides at anytime. So if Larys did do this, it was risky abs a bad move
Great job! This is a far cry from the old king and good queen beloved of the people. 🤦🏿♀️
It’s amazing how quickly it all began to fall apart
Ohh! Those times of jahaerys and alysanne.
Look what this war did to the riverlands.
Lol people of King’s Landing are savage. Ripping his limbs, clothes and belongings off after he died and even trying to take off his head.
Joffrey really should've listened to his mother.
Rhaenyra should’ve took Syrax and burned the whole mob.
@@DTS_I But she didn't. Which is why that mob was allowed to prosper. The only consolation was a majority of that mob was left disfigured or died alongside the dragons they killed. I look forward to seeing the shepherd in any case. Even if it is 2 years till the next season. Apparently he makes the GOT Sparrow look like a Choir Boy.
All her life, Rhaenyra treated Syrax like an Uber
I forget that another huge blow that came with the Riot of King’s Landing was the death of Joffrey Velaryon🙏🏿🙏🏿💔💔😢😢
You mean Joffrey Rivers?
@@redwarrior9100Joffrey Strong
The violent end of all 3 of Rhaenrya's children sired by Ser Strong seems to all but confirm they were not Laenor's children. The violent ending falls in line with curse they bare.
Yeah bastards who lived as bastards publicly are usually fine. But in this case, it’s treason because Rhaenyra is pretending that they weren’t and is usurping House Targaryen and Velaryon, so makes sense that the weird laws of Planetos set shit to rights
daenerys > rhaenyra
*change my mind
Ranks of people to sit on the Iron Throne by worthiness:
Mushroom>Rhaenyra>Daenyres
No one is going to change your mind, Book Daenerys is a pretty good person overall, Rhaenyra is just an ambitious mother
Rahenyra was useless. At least Daenerys fought her own battles.
Its okay guys. His back broke his fall.
Riot's over, long live Kings Trystane and Gaemon!
Jeez, what a way to go.
Pretty awful way with his body being ripped apart and defiled after he died lol
I believe that the next book will be fire & blood Volume 2 not winds😬😬😬😬
I actually believe he’s already finished volume 2, but knows if he publishes it before winds it’s going to anger lots of people. The same thing happened with volume 1 Lots of reviews just complain it wasn’t winds
Wait the story is incomplete?
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 this story is complete, the part 2 would focus more on the blackfyre rebellion, aka, the 3rd Targaryen civil war (dance of the dragons was the 2nd)
Hmm..would have been a good time to have a Sheepstealer when there are a bunch if mad sheep about
The shepherd is such a deusch getting all those dragons killed 😡
He’s a chad
@@Heisenberg882he delivers the plot, and gets ganked by a Clubfoot
Do you believe that "Robin" the candle makers daughter is real? For me yes, mainly cause rumors come one or 2 things
Spite: something the blacks did to the greens to make them seem wrong on the throne
2. People who see what happens, but both if not all have different views on what each other saw
That's why I thought she was real(that and I imagine she would have had to come out and see what hit the roofs)
if the details are true is one matter. But i do think there was a robin like figure, be that a candle makers daughter or not. So it is a mix of fact and fiction
@@WorldOfWesteros so In other words she could have been a real person, but as far as her being a "candle makers daughter" might be false? Seems logical as how would anyone know she was a 🕯 makers daughter 🤔
She is terrible. She never taught her children basic things, like High Valyrian or only one rider per dragon..🤦🏿♀️
Kids
Civillians
Golden cloaks
Dragons are not safe of war
In fact this dragons where the little ones, i really blame Rhaenyra about all the dumb decisions even if the greens started the economic problems
I wonder what made King Robert name his son and heir after a Targaryen prince (the people he despise so much).
It's a interesting idea because Joffrey was never a very baratheon sounding name.
@@WorldOfWesteros It's also ironic as well since both Joffrey's have a similar origin being the bastard sons of Queens who have been passed off on a different father.
It could just be a common name he not the first rob and want be last
Joffrey is not a Targaryen sounding name, missing the "ae" and "ys". Might be common name in Westeros.
Joffrey Velaryon was literally named after a knight from the Stormslands
The Shepherd was the hardest mf
They're gonna change all these things knowing the writers,, they going for the rheanyra is a super amazing independent woman feminist. So she might not even die.
her fate is pretty much unavoidable, however they could very well change the context of it given some of the changes that have already been made
I think Rhaenyra peaked as a character for me during the opening dragon flight during which she was first introduced
Been a steady decline since
Curious how they shoot this in the show. A triumphant moment? Tragic, some combo of the two?
It really depends how a lot of the stuff that happens before it is handled. If they are going to go down the Rhaenyra slowly losing her mind thanks to all the loss route, then i suspect they will make it tragic.
Climatically tragic
Damn, Syrax was secretly Team Green with this kill lmaooo...
Ngl that kid deserved that 😂
Its kinda sad tbh
Rhaenyra has a grown dragon she could have flown over the rioters and firebombed them. Generally it would have been better to defend the dragonpit then the dragonpit.
Had she flown and started to burn the rats maybe we would still have dragon 🐉 😳 😅
So wait I’m confused is it debatable about the sons being bastards or is it fact?
In terms of the book there probably bastards, however it's much less blatant than in the show. In the book there is some plausible deniability
@@WorldOfWesteros I see thanks for the information
Last question, no one has ever told me why King Viserys never decreed that Jace and Helena would be bond in marriage.
Something like that could really alleviate tensions. In the show Rhaenerya makes the same proposal and gets shot down but the king liked it. Just seemed like an oversight to me
Viserys is soft. He coulda easily made jace and heleana marry without consequence cause he was queen. But he just tried to hard to please everybody
@@ralphdadon3026 that just doesn’t hold water cause Viserys wanted to stop the feud for the safety of his house and the dream her had. He forced rhaenerya to marry or lose her place as heir REGARDLESS OF HOW SHE FELT for the good of the realm. This show is telling me he has a backbone only when the plot demanded it or his sickness got ahold of his mental faculties. The conflict didn’t start with him but he was weak cause he missed multiple opportunities to postpone it further
Aegon II > Rhaenyra
This is the dumbest death that ever happend to a Targaryen.
Wow how hard is it to concentrate on this narrators voice??? I give up!
Lmao looks like only you are struggling