It kinda makes sense why gta 5 in spite of being in 2013 feels like it takes place in 2009-2010 in some ways when they tried to make pop culture references
@@reggiesmith6196for real though but for a franchise as popular as gta they shoulda been planning gta 6 earlier but I think gta online is the real reason they didn’t even start 6 until so late
Well, you do know that it could be possible for him to not get sick .. but when the game does a whole scene and a sad music like that… you knew for sure that he contracted the disease and you knew downes had tb because of the symptoms
I thought you can survive TB with plenty of bed rest, and what actually killed him was the non stop fighting and chaos he had to deal with while he was sick, he couldn't rest at all. In my mind that ship wreck and time in Guarma shit was what really sealed his fate
Don't think so. I forget who it was but there was a dude who said bedrest on its own wasn't really gonna help TB. Think it was just a matter of chance and how strong your immune system was. BUT I will say, Arthur constantly pushing himself (especially towards the end) definitely shortened the time he had left by quite a bit.
@@UndertaleFan-cx2mcI’ve never been able to do that side mission all those collection missions are insane especially since I hate it I did all the challenges but never got around to finding all collections maybe I’ll spend a day 100 preventing the game and finally watch a tutorial
The earliest point I notice Arthur start to cough is when you rob a homestead with Javier, that family that speaks weird, when he pushes the boxes to get the hidden money he starts coughing which may just be him being old and the boxes heavy but I always saw it as the start.
@@phantom-k8g maybe they just made the assumption you'd do the mission after or later so they did that as a way to keep continuity in case you did it late?
@@DiceLegendaryWarrior nah those missions are very time specific if you dont do the gang quests when they pop up they'll be gone and that javier mission is during rhodes when he isnt showing early symptoms
I just got to the epilogue. You won’t ever catch me wearing any hat other than Arthur’s. It’s not because I don’t like John and I want to pretend I’m Arthur- it’s because I love John and I know he would want to honor Arthur just as much as I do
@@Justin-ph4ty picking up the letter in your tent will trigger that. And it really wants you to pick up that letter. Had to position Arthur so he can rest at camp.
I think what made Arthur's end even more tragic than John's was because there was no escape. At least with Marston, he and his family were able to run away for a few years - but Morgan had nowhere to go but six feet underground; his story wasn't about the endless cycle of bloodshed and revenge as depicted in RDR 1, rather it was all about the acceptance of one's being and fate (almost the complete opposite of the moral/s in RDR 1).
You can't finish the story but at least the camp members well be there forever you can go fish and hunt travel and complet some of the sidemission (not all)
@@ogcr2008 i forget whom it was, but he tried to avoid dealing with Downes by having a dog do the dirty work. Then the TB dog chased Aurthur off a cliff. He forgot the good boy would want pats for besting Downes and the doggo now was a carrier of TB. Arthur died from TB essentially still
So that ends the theory about “arthur would be playable on epilogue” No, arthur was never meant to be played on epilogue New austin could be opened for arthur on beta? Perhaps. But he for sure would die in the end like john and that was pretty much established from the start
I remember RDR2 first came out there was a thread that said you could go to new austin as Arthur but playtesters never finished the game because of there was no point as you had all the areas unlocked
@@dfred5094 dude no one finishes the story just to “unlock” new austin We finish it because we want to see the gran finale No other gta game locks an island or area to post game for example If that was the case players would never get back to los santos in SA to finish the game 🤣
I figured out he was sick probably a quarter, maybe half-way through. I noticed the cough, diminishing stats and then the sickly look as the game progressed-which was a clever way to portray that. I wasn't 100% it was TB, but had an idea due to the cough, diseases that were prevalent at the time, and western movies-which Rockstar is often influenced by (movies.) When he got his diagnosis, I was like, "I KNEW IT!" I was still hoping that the Natives would have a cure some how, which I thought might be the case due to the storyline of helping them.
i knew the moment he was diagnosed. and as expected by the game, tried to do the best i could, tried to enjoy playing Arthur as best as possible until the end
Imagine an Easter egg where Roger Clark is in the game his regular voice being Roger Clark and he meets Arthur and Arthur's like "why you sound familiar boah!"😂
After many playthroughs I just learned to hunt all the legendary animals, fish all the legendary fish, craft the legends of the east sachel, get all the upgrades to the camp, and craft all the outfits from the trapper. After all that then it's time to cry as you ride your horse to the Downs ranch 😭
Some good hints were given. Mentioning consumption repeatedly. The obvious coughing in the face as the wife pleads with Arthur that he is sick, and a cut-scene with eerie music that Intentionally simulates wheezing by the dragging of the fingers over the strings.
I have a tendency to not really listen when first playing a game, especially these little collection missions that I thought were insignificant. I absolutely DID NOT understand how he suddenly got sick, googled it afterwards, and spent my next playthrough watching like a hawk to catch it. I tried everything to save him thinking it was avoidable...
Penicillin wasn't even discovered until 1928 (29 years after arthur died) and it wouldn't be until another 12 years before it was developed as the first anti-biotic. Arthur was dead as a doornail the second Thomas coughed on him.
The first successful treatments for TB were 1854. But it wasn't a common practice yet. The first real cure wasn't until 1924 when antibiotics were first discovered. The first mass treatments or "cures" were in 1942, was a mainstream common practice by 1944.
As someone who’s played rdr2 but not rdr John fate was actually a spoiler 😭 not like I had the entirety of rdr2 spoiled since I just recently decided to play it. Didn’t change the brilliance of the game though.
I genuinely think Hosea did, and he just... Y'know... Before he could show symptoms, and Arthur was just canonically away from camp for good stretches.
I mean, he obviously was going to have a similar fate, I knew that from the second I saw the first trailer, from the moment I saw that it was about the old gang. Because why else was none of the gang seen or hunted for in the first game?
the only way arthur would live is if he either never went after downes or the time travelling guy would help him (sounds silly ik) but there's still the matter of John, because if Arthur would've lived there's still a possibility of John killing him because of the rdr1 buisness about killing the other gang members, he would live through that if he would convince John to not go after Micah or if he moved out of America
Wait… JOHN MARSTON IS RDR1’s Protaginist? I thought he was RDR2’s, based on how much everybody talks about Arthur. Also is RDR2 a kind-of side-story, or indirect sequel?
I know its 14 years old game but It came out on pc this year. And to this date I didnt have anything. I just bought pc and and played red dead 2. And I was gonna start rdr 1 today and I am spoiled. 😢. I mean its fait but I didnt expected it.
In the year red dead 2 was supposed to take place, only like 8% of people with it actually died. They made him weak purely for emotional response. As much 80 proof or higher alcohol he was consuming he would have probably been good without a doctors help. I googled the stats as soon as i got to St. Denis, and I was pissed. 😂
Also, TB isn't a "one and done" infection kind of deal, it usually takes repeated exposure over a period of time to contract it. Downes coughing in Arthur likely wouldn't have infected him, but you know who DID have some kind of respiratory illness, and was in close quarters with Arthur repeatedly? Hosea, who even mentioned having some kind of cough, or something, and attributes it to being on the mountain. For me, this makes it way more poetic as a source of infection, as Arthur's time with the gang is literally what killed him, rather than some throwaway errand.
Man, I wish the game allowed players to go deeper and find alternative endings, like finding a cure. Basically, every decision should have multiple paths, like in RPG games. I think that's what's missing in Rockstar games , their weakness is in replay value. It's not that interesting and feels like the game is repetitive, hopefully that will change in gta6
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Roger after googling about TB:
"Guess I will die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "
Strauss is the real villan In the Rdr2 Community
@@Qrlasyeah I always hated him
@@QrlasArthur could of said no
@@QrlasArthur coulda refused
@@Dutch_Vander_Linde_he couldn’t, Dutch told him to
When these guys talk about years it amazes me how much time they've been working on these things
It kinda makes sense why gta 5 in spite of being in 2013 feels like it takes place in 2009-2010 in some ways when they tried to make pop culture references
That’s why I’m kind of forgiving and understanding when it comes to gta 6
@@reggiesmith6196for real though but for a franchise as popular as gta they shoulda been planning gta 6 earlier but I think gta online is the real reason they didn’t even start 6 until so late
@@whoevencaresbra-5990 online is a money cow. Has made them a couple billion in the decade since its release
Good game worth it, Rockstar do it a great job
Props to Roger for actually contracting TB to play Arthur
Wait did he really get it? 😭
@@cupoftae6727no he didnt
bruh 💀
That's some level of dedication for you
Dude, why is no one in these comments getting the irony?
Roger for 4 and a half years: "I'm afraid."
@@AlanatorTheGreat Jesus Christ man this is messed up🤣
Lmao. Fantastic
Im a respiratory therapist, the ending was spoiled for me the moment he coughed. Ive seen it.
Everyone knew, but the main thing was trying to delay the inevitable. That’s what I love about it
Well, you do know that it could be possible for him to not get sick .. but when the game does a whole scene and a sad music like that… you knew for sure that he contracted the disease and you knew downes had tb because of the symptoms
I thought you can survive TB with plenty of bed rest, and what actually killed him was the non stop fighting and chaos he had to deal with while he was sick, he couldn't rest at all. In my mind that ship wreck and time in Guarma shit was what really sealed his fate
Don't think so. I forget who it was but there was a dude who said bedrest on its own wasn't really gonna help TB. Think it was just a matter of chance and how strong your immune system was. BUT I will say, Arthur constantly pushing himself (especially towards the end) definitely shortened the time he had left by quite a bit.
As someone who contracted TB years ago, yeah. Not pretty.
Yeah, their fates were pretty similar, getting their lungs blown out. One from bacteria, the other from lead.
Sad when even the time travel guy couldn’t help because he was 1920’s and the antibiotics used for tb was in the 40’s
Well that’s a side mission that can be done before Chapter 6, before the TB gets the most fatal
Even if he was, why the fuck would he help?
@@ryderciccone2413 idk man he seemed nice and we helped him get back
@@UndertaleFan-cx2mcI’ve never been able to do that side mission all those collection missions are insane especially since I hate it I did all the challenges but never got around to finding all collections maybe I’ll spend a day 100 preventing the game and finally watch a tutorial
@@whoevencaresbra-5990skill issue
7 playthroughs of RDR2 and this is the first time I realised the moment Arthur contacted TB
Personally, I like the theory that Hosea had TB better, it fits more with how tuberculosis actually infects a person.
Roger after looking up TB: "Zoinks!"
The earliest point I notice Arthur start to cough is when you rob a homestead with Javier, that family that speaks weird, when he pushes the boxes to get the hidden money he starts coughing which may just be him being old and the boxes heavy but I always saw it as the start.
that happens even if you don't complete thomas down mission i guess it was dusty in there?
@@phantom-k8g maybe they just made the assumption you'd do the mission after or later so they did that as a way to keep continuity in case you did it late?
@DiceLegendaryWarrior could be a reason too
@@DiceLegendaryWarrior nah those missions are very time specific if you dont do the gang quests when they pop up they'll be gone and that javier mission is during rhodes when he isnt showing early symptoms
I saw it him cough alil (maybe the start of it?) when you talk to dutch and y'all help the Rhodes deputy's
I just got to the epilogue. You won’t ever catch me wearing any hat other than Arthur’s. It’s not because I don’t like John and I want to pretend I’m Arthur- it’s because I love John and I know he would want to honor Arthur just as much as I do
johns hat looks goofy in rdr2 imo. in rdr1 it looks great tho.
Kind of brings more meaning to Arthur’s dialogue before he gets TB when you know that Roger Clark knew what his fate was gonna be when he said it
Rodger: We’ll at least get to Tahiti before Arthur dies right
Director:
"Best I can do is guarma"
“ And I got it, beating a man… to death, over a few bucks”😢
Every playthrough I put that mission off for as long as possible.
Why? 😆
@Robin-q1c because that's when he gets tb and is doomed to get sick and die.
@@sandrosliske Oh yeah, I see what you mean now
Then Strauss comes up and makes you go smh
@@Justin-ph4ty picking up the letter in your tent will trigger that. And it really wants you to pick up that letter. Had to position Arthur so he can rest at camp.
I played RDR2 in december 2021 while I had covid. Talk about "augmented reality" lmao
I think what made Arthur's end even more tragic than John's was because there was no escape. At least with Marston, he and his family were able to run away for a few years - but Morgan had nowhere to go but six feet underground; his story wasn't about the endless cycle of bloodshed and revenge as depicted in RDR 1, rather it was all about the acceptance of one's being and fate (almost the complete opposite of the moral/s in RDR 1).
No lie.....my wife and I cried when Arthur died.... 😭😭😭😭😭
We all did
You're not alone.
if we never complete the Downes mission, does Arthur survive? 😢
You can't finish story,eventually sidr missions will end, maps would be cloudy
No 😞
It's Arthur's Canon event, cannot be sidestepped or avoided
You can't finish the story but at least the camp members well be there forever you can go fish and hunt travel and complet some of the sidemission (not all)
@@ogcr2008 i forget whom it was, but he tried to avoid dealing with Downes by having a dog do the dirty work. Then the TB dog chased Aurthur off a cliff. He forgot the good boy would want pats for besting Downes and the doggo now was a carrier of TB. Arthur died from TB essentially still
Still want to see Roger Clark filming the motion capture scenes of Arthur falling off a cliff. Or the vomiting while falling off a cliff trick.
That's a bug, not something they mocapped.
The vomit animation just takes precedent over the falling animation.
@@Cadwallader38 no, he really did it
Of the options he had, going out the way he did (high honor) was one of the better ones.
Keep these shorts coming thanks
So that ends the theory about “arthur would be playable on epilogue”
No, arthur was never meant to be played on epilogue
New austin could be opened for arthur on beta? Perhaps. But he for sure would die in the end like john and that was pretty much established from the start
I have a pretty solid theory that there was supposed to be a chapter before colter that took place in/around blackwater
I remember RDR2 first came out there was a thread that said you could go to new austin as Arthur but playtesters never finished the game because of there was no point as you had all the areas unlocked
@@vortexvenom but on trailers we see sadie riding with arthur and Charles on new austin
Probably was just swapped john from epilogue
@@dfred5094 dude no one finishes the story just to “unlock” new austin
We finish it because we want to see the gran finale
No other gta game locks an island or area to post game for example
If that was the case players would never get back to los santos in SA to finish the game 🤣
@@Paulinho_66 I don’t know if it was true or not, it was six years ago
I figured out he was sick probably a quarter, maybe half-way through. I noticed the cough, diminishing stats and then the sickly look as the game progressed-which was a clever way to portray that.
I wasn't 100% it was TB, but had an idea due to the cough, diseases that were prevalent at the time, and western movies-which Rockstar is often influenced by (movies.)
When he got his diagnosis, I was like, "I KNEW IT!" I was still hoping that the Natives would have a cure some how, which I thought might be the case due to the storyline of helping them.
i knew the moment he was diagnosed. and as expected by the game, tried to do the best i could, tried to enjoy playing Arthur as best as possible until the end
Man went out like doc holiday
I’ll be honest I had a feeling Arty was gonna go but I didn’t expect to see him slowly decline as the game went on it made it hard
As an actor, four and a half years on a project like this sounds just amazing
Damn the actors were in on this game for so and never got tired of it. They played their characters the whole time
I love how everyone googled tb after Arthur’s diagnosis
Yeah I was the exact same. As soon as he coughed blood I paused the game and stared at the screen dead faced for a good 15 minutes 😊
Roger Clarke is da Man
“But sir, the cure hadn’t been invented yet”
“Exactly.”
He talks with the same cadence as Tarantino
roger after googling TB: you, sir, are a deadman
I think they should I understand have kept that secret so the reaction would be genuine in the Dr office
Imagine an Easter egg where Roger Clark is in the game his regular voice being Roger Clark and he meets Arthur and Arthur's like "why you sound familiar boah!"😂
After many playthroughs I just learned to hunt all the legendary animals, fish all the legendary fish, craft the legends of the east sachel, get all the upgrades to the camp, and craft all the outfits from the trapper. After all that then it's time to cry as you ride your horse to the Downs ranch 😭
Every time I see a short about read dead, I immediately go back and play rdr2 again
Arthur could've lived much longer if he wasn't in such humid places.
He could be like Doc Holliday :D
spoiler alerts goes BEFORE THE SPOILER TT
Some good hints were given. Mentioning consumption repeatedly. The obvious coughing in the face as the wife pleads with Arthur that he is sick, and a cut-scene with eerie music that Intentionally simulates wheezing by the dragging of the fingers over the strings.
Cure for TB found in 1944
People in 1943: I'm afraid
Damn you Thomas Downs😂
Too bad 50 years too early but still hit just as impactful
Pretty insane that he considers Arthur dying of Tuberculosis "a similar fate" to what John Marston went through at the end of RDR1.
So he died 47 years before the cure of TB
the name got "dead redemption" in it, so yeah
I have a tendency to not really listen when first playing a game, especially these little collection missions that I thought were insignificant. I absolutely DID NOT understand how he suddenly got sick, googled it afterwards, and spent my next playthrough watching like a hawk to catch it. I tried everything to save him thinking it was avoidable...
Penicillin wasn't even discovered until 1928 (29 years after arthur died) and it wouldn't be until another 12 years before it was developed as the first anti-biotic.
Arthur was dead as a doornail the second Thomas coughed on him.
SAYING SPOILERS AFTER SPOILING IS CRAZY
The first successful treatments for TB were 1854. But it wasn't a common practice yet. The first real cure wasn't until 1924 when antibiotics were first discovered. The first mass treatments or "cures" were in 1942, was a mainstream common practice by 1944.
Oh... i didn't get to this part yet.
It's a 6 year old game dude, play it anyway though it's peak and make sure to not get the epilouge spoiled.
Is he half Irish?
As someone who’s played rdr2 but not rdr John fate was actually a spoiler 😭 not like I had the entirety of rdr2 spoiled since I just recently decided to play it. Didn’t change the brilliance of the game though.
it's crazy how no one else in the camp caught TB from Arthur
arthur would have to cough into the gang members mouth.
@@Correct_Hamster when he and Micah was fighting at the end, he couldve done that to give micah the disease
@@bokebryant3985 true
I genuinely think Hosea did, and he just... Y'know... Before he could show symptoms, and Arthur was just canonically away from camp for good stretches.
@@therobustempyrean1436 no, he has a disease, but its not tuberculosis, hosea shows his disease in chapter 2, when arthur didnt get tb yet
what's on his wrist? patek? i feel its something else. very beautiful
I wonder if anything would have changed if Roger would have found out that Arthur had to TB when we did at the doctor
4 IN A HALF YEARS?
John lived WAYYYYY to long after being filled with bullets
Seeing as he wasn’t in the first game it was pretty much a sure thing that he was gonna die 🤷♂️
I mean, he obviously was going to have a similar fate, I knew that from the second I saw the first trailer, from the moment I saw that it was about the old gang. Because why else was none of the gang seen or hunted for in the first game?
He may be my favourite person but i need more research for scandals
the only way arthur would live is if he either never went after downes or the time travelling guy would help him (sounds silly ik) but there's still the matter of John, because if Arthur would've lived there's still a possibility of John killing him because of the rdr1 buisness about killing the other gang members, he would live through that if he would convince John to not go after Micah or if he moved out of America
So he have to wait 46 years to find a cure but sad he reach his end
Wait… JOHN MARSTON IS RDR1’s Protaginist? I thought he was RDR2’s, based on how much everybody talks about Arthur. Also is RDR2 a kind-of side-story, or indirect sequel?
RDR2 is a prequel, it takes place before RDR1
@ huh. I never would’ve guessed that, tbh.
Oh! Okay! 😁
Does anybody know what hat he’s wearing in the interview?
Chekhovs gun
I know its 14 years old game but It came out on pc this year. And to this date I didnt have anything. I just bought pc and and played red dead 2. And I was gonna start rdr 1 today and I am spoiled. 😢. I mean its fait but I didnt expected it.
Rdr2 has been out on pc since 2019
@@fionnhogan5328hes talking about rdr1
😢😢😢😢😢😢
Bro are you arthur
he is.
I did the same thing :D when doctor Said tb
Why do people always say spoiler after the fact 🤦♂️
What happens if you dont go to collect the money from downes
Please don’t let them do a live action ever
If they cast it correctly, it could be epic
😂😂
In the year red dead 2 was supposed to take place, only like 8% of people with it actually died. They made him weak purely for emotional response. As much 80 proof or higher alcohol he was consuming he would have probably been good without a doctors help. I googled the stats as soon as i got to St. Denis, and I was pissed. 😂
Also, TB isn't a "one and done" infection kind of deal, it usually takes repeated exposure over a period of time to contract it. Downes coughing in Arthur likely wouldn't have infected him, but you know who DID have some kind of respiratory illness, and was in close quarters with Arthur repeatedly? Hosea, who even mentioned having some kind of cough, or something, and attributes it to being on the mountain. For me, this makes it way more poetic as a source of infection, as Arthur's time with the gang is literally what killed him, rather than some throwaway errand.
Man, I wish the game allowed players to go deeper and find alternative endings, like finding a cure. Basically, every decision should have multiple paths, like in RPG games. I think that's what's missing in Rockstar games , their weakness is in replay value. It's not that interesting and feels like the game is repetitive, hopefully that will change in gta6
A vaccine for TB didn't exist until 1921.
WORST FICKIN PART OF THE GAME....
First pin?
L
😂😂😂
To be actually first you gotta comment a real comment being first won't matter '__'