I'm not sure if it is common knowledge, but regardless I'll say it anyway just to clarify. The Milgram study was a real experiment but the electric shocks were not. The "learner" in the experiment was just a recording of sounds of someone being shocked and struggling to leave the experiment. You can rest a littler easier knowing people weren't actually shocked. On a side note, I love how you connected the Milgram study to Undertale, that's awesome and I never thought about that similarity.
I don't like calling it "Chara" because it's not "Chara." It's "you." I don't know where the whole rumor came from that you have to name yourself "Chara" in order to initiate a genocide run. You don't. The game expects you to input YOUR name. Chara is a representation of the player. When you encounter it at the end of the genocide route it doesn't say "I am Chara" it says "I am _____" filling in that blank with whatever name was input by you, the player, in the beginning of the game. Calling it Chara is a further implementation of cognitive dissonance. Chara was there alongside you the whole time because it IS you. It is the reason you drove yourself to complete the genocide run. It is the part of you that wants to see the final ending. The "true" ending. And when you finally wake up and realize what you're doing, it's too late. It tells you you never were in control... and you weren't. At any point you could have turned off the game, reset and done the genocide ending again or even just walked away... but you didn't. You kept going because that part of you HAD to see what would happen. And because of that, you were never in control of yourself. It's the only explanation. As explained in this video, you have absolutely no reason to ever play the genocide route. The game constantly tells you to stop, to turn around, to go back, even FLOWEY HIMSELF, the character who cheered you on throughout the game and told you to kill everything you can because this world is "kill or be killed"... he begs you to stop. But you don't, you press on, even when the game actively discourages you, you move forward. That part of your brain MAKES YOU keep going. That part of your brain MAKES YOU fight sans over and over until you get that perfect run that finishes him off hours or even days later. That part of your brain MAKES YOU kill Asgore. It MAKES YOU kill Flowey... and then it leaves you. It manifests yourself as a character on the screen, saying it is "you" because it is. That's exactly what it represents. "The player." It represents all of YOUR mistakes, all of YOUR regrets. All of the pain and suffering YOU caused. All because of YOURSELF. You have no one to blame but your own sick mind. So don't bother calling it "Chara" to distance yourself, just because that's what the game's data calls it. Call it by your name. Because that's exactly what it is. And yes, I've done the genocide run myself, I'm not scolding other players for doing what I was too cowardly to do like most people. This whole rant applies to me just as much as anyone else. And don't think you're automatically better than anyone else just because you looked it up online rather than playing it yourself. Even Flowey agrees that you're just as sick if not worse. You wanted to see it just as bad but you didn't want to actually put in the effort to do it yourself. What, just because it's in a different timeline it doesn't count? It still happened. And you still supported it. If you truly were a creature of perfect morals, you never would have even questioned what happens on the genocide route. But that's the thing. You're not a perfectly moral creature, no one is. You're a human, the greatest monster of them all.
There is three people in the game that you control. Chara, Frisk, And you. you are not chara, chara had its own storyline, it's own history, It's own personality and family. Frisk is a body for Chara and the Player, in the pacifist route frisk becomes more alive, which makes it so that they can realize themselves and not you and chara. However, in the genocide route, Chara becomes more alive until Frisk is suppressed to nonexistence. You, become the one not in control, but you still led the hand in destroying everything, And chara sees that. Now, Chara is not ALL evil, but you the Player made it evil; Chara is the dialogue/flavor text, and when you give it more ExP (Execution Points) they become distant. In the end, you make Chara evil and power hungry, all from Determination that Frisk and Chara represent. You the Player is NOT CHARA, Chara was a character that fell in the underground after the war, Chara became the second child of the royal family, Chara killed itself to free the underground, And Chara somehow fused with Frisk. You the Player Control Frisk, but you cannot control Chara. The more power you give to Chara, the more it takes over you and Frisk. Well, that's a summary of Chara.
Since this video seems to be gaining some steam now, I just want to clarify that it is _not meant in any way_ to devalue your experience or character if you _enjoyed_ the Genocide route! Every gamer is a little bit different, and I just did not have time to discuss _all_ the possible psychological and philosophical factors that can be present in an _UNDERTALE_ run. Instead, I dissected what I believe to be the most common experience playing through _UNDERTALE_. I cannot speak for Toby Fox, but the game seems to be a commentary on gaming and our desire to complete things. I would not be surprised if the experience I described was the intended experience from the beginning and one of the main messages meant to be received by the player. It opened up a good avenue for discussing human nature, but it is still a video game. I am not accusing anyone of being a monster.
+The Imaginary Axis I really enjoyed your dissection of the thought process behind the game, it was very enjoyable and was some good thought food. Learned some new stuff I didn't know before.
I actually did the genocide route because I wanted to :P Well what can I say? All the bosses in other routes were piss-easy and fighting Undyne and Sans was fun as hell and actually challenging.
jolitero Well in my case it very much depends. On what however I have no idea. I just know that I had the willpower to struggle through Undertale's genocide, but on the other hand I couldn't get through Castlevania or Ninja Gaiden on the NES and god knows I tried.
Matt Wolff At first it seemed pretty insane, but in the end I managed to beat that without dying once. Too many health drops I guess. It felt like a really epic fight though so I wouldn't dare call it a bad boss battle. Also by the way, its real name is actually Photoshop Flowey I think.
JonGabriel03 Alright then. Just wanted to confirm whatever was the case actually. But nonetheless long story short, the only boss battles I really appreciate are the ones in which you fail at least once or twice.
I am never doing the genocide route. I may normally be a completionist, but I love each and every part of this game to much to do it. Call me a wuss, I don't care. I do care, however, about this gem of a game.
So you could say this apply for people who refuse to do the Genocide route, yet watch a let's play of it? I assume so and even Flowey calls you out on it. "It's not my fault! I 'm watching this player kill monsters but I'm not the one killing anybody! It's THEIR copy of the game! My game copy is fine!" So essentially you just sat there and watched? Cool. This game can be cruel. lol I'm not saying that harassing people for playing the game how they want is ok. (C'mon, really?) But it is interesting how the same principles apply even if you are just watching. I like the psychology of Undertale so thanks for the video. It's well done and I subbed. :)
Yup. I didn't want to have the guilt of having done a genocide run. I admit that there is still blame on me for having watched others play it. I am not completely innocent. Flower called me out. It's also interesting to see that if people see an atrocity taking place some won't take action, no matter there beliefs. Just the Bystander affect taking place I guess
AJ Brodha Well it's important to remember that Undertale is still a game. But it's a good commentary on human behavior towards violence in media and watching violence, if that makes sense.
I like someone's analogy that I saw on reddit, which gives me a good explination that either way, genocide run is bad, and you shouldn't do it. If you do the run, you are Hitler. You are willingly killing and causing genocide to everyone, not caring for anyone until you realize your happy ending is gone. If you watch it, your Hitler's curious friend. You don't do the killing, but you watch someone do the killing and get some enjoyment until you realize the people Hitler is killing are friendly and innocent. If you watched Genocide like I did, your hands may be dust-free, but you watched someone kill the innocent. Your still a monster either way.
Had me until " We all got a bit of Chara in us. " Its our choice not Chara's. Chara is a total separate Charater from the Player and Frisk. Yes Chara isn't a perfect flawless angel but not of the Characters are. Chara is the Narrator and Flavor text She doesn't tell use to or Frisk to do anything. Hell Chara even says it our Determination not theirs. Determination is what Drives us not Some One else.
Kinda felt the same way. After all, Chara is a character, too. Matter of fact, they're actually more developed as a character than Frisk, as they actually have a set backstory, while all Frisk has is whatever we come up with for them. They don't even answer Asriel's question for why they climbed the mountain.
How to be above consequences and screw the meaning of the game: 1. Google what fiels to delete once you do genocide 2. do it 3. celebrate 4. weep as you realize how terrible a person you are.
You make the best videos. I love how you go on and explain about these things. Things that 99 percent of people don't see or realize. I haven't played this game but I have seen other people play an hour or two. Thank you for these cool amazing videos. You and Game Theory are the only ones that I have seen that can pull this off. Thank you.
Best analysis yet. Good job man. Personally? I only completed the genocide route because I wanted a chance to take on the hardest boss in video game history. Beating Sans... yup it was worth it.
+That Meme Person go big or go home me i'm going home i'm never playing undertale not after the shit i'v seen i know by now it's great and i'm glad it exists but i'm a completionist and i know i would slaughter everyone eventually
Chara is not evil It's us, the player who choose either genocide or pacifist I thought this theory was good until you said "We all have a little of Chara in us" So, again someone is blaming Chara for our own actions (even if just a little, you are) By now I think you already knew about Chara's terrible past and horrible experience with humans and that she wanted to save the monsters by sacrificing other 6 monster souls (the ones in the drawing) I would love if you made a theory about Chara's horrible past and TRUE intentions- Because I hate it when everyone blames them for "causing" the genocide route. If you killed everyone you cared about, don't blame someone who's life, decisions and intentions you know nothing about But well, I subbed to you anyways Good job, this might have taken a lot time to do
I know just the video! there's a youtuber named judgement boy who made a whole video on what your saying. but is chara actually evil? it's hard to say. chara was an abused child who they said hated humanity. not to mention all the videos giving evidence about why chara is evil. the underground is lost and all monster and humans are dead. and the only way to bring them back is to give chara your soul. (evil) so technically yes chara is evil. now I'm not saying chara is responsible for the genocide route. but only trying to come back. every time you spare a monster. your actively fighting against chara. not giving In. but ey what do I know? you have your reasons and I have mine. and that's completely fine
Reasons for playing the genocide route. 1. The rush I feel from Undyne and Sans fights. 2. Power Reason I'm not afraid of "losing" my happy ending: Chara is nothing more than a fictional child, and with a little bit of fiddling with the Undertale files, I can remind them; SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL.
@@redninjakat5733 fun facts: 1: you don’t delete characters. That was a bit in DDLC to add to monika’s 4th wall break-ness. 2: what you would do is probably reinstall as undertale saves locally and doesn’t use the cloud. 3: if you actually did delete chara’s models chara would just be invisible.
Chara being summoned through your actions isn't completely accurate. They are summoned by you entering the underground, and LOVE gives them enough power to become able to interact directly with the player (or frisk, the game isn't too clear on it. It can be assumed, however, that they are speaking directly to the player.) I am aware that you mention this later in the video, however I just thought I should mention this for clarity.
and one thing: Chara is the embodiment of your seft in the game. I mean,after the pacifist ending,Flowey beg you to not reset the game through the name you chose at the beginning, through "Chara"
Duy Khang Trần Chara isn't the embodiment of yourself. Chara is a innocent child who's perception of right and wrong relies on your choices to do either or. I see alot of fans say this and this type of thinking is exactly the point of Undertale's morality system. To show that people don't wanna take responsibility for their actions regardless.
Oh my god yes. I'm a psych student, and I've been looking for someone who took this apart the way I did! This is Chara. I'm so happy with this. Don't forget The Stanford Prison project!! It's power. Can we talk about this people?!
3:16 Unless, well, y'know... you decide to play God for real, give the game's rules the middle finger, and proceed to edit the game's files (and I've heard thru the grapevine that apparently, you can do this even in spite of the fact that the game saves some data on an online server).
+IgnatianMystic Actually, the ONLY data it saves on an online server, is your genocide run if you met chara and completed it. Anything else is saved on your local pc.
+Chaotix Fox If you're talking about the hacker ending, he only calls you out on it if you make something that shouldn't be possible happen. For example, if set the code so that you kill and spare Papyrus as the same time. I've messed around with the music files and general files, and he didn't say anything about it.
Does it make you a bad person if you played Genocide just so you could play the Sans boss fight? After that you would reset and never destroy the world. You only do it to see if you can beat Sans or not.
+TopHatLucario No, and even less so if you stop right after his "do nothing attack" and don't kill him. (and even finishing genocide run doesn't make you a bad person, it's just a game :P)
+TopHatLucario I think that stopping right after Sans isn't the same as destroying the world because you don't kill the people whom Alphys wants to save.Besides, you don't sell you soul to "Chara". To me, it's just like aborting the route in any other part.
+JandSand Me too, but I couldn't bring myself to do it, so I just used Flowey's time machine. Does it make be less murderous?(I killed him like 5 times already?)
+JandSand That and i wanted alphys dead i hate that girl is a fking douche, worst character in the game literally im so unsatisfied i didnt get to kill her.She's the only person i wanted dead in the entire series.
But Chara is just an analogue for the player. Chara is interesting because they technically exist in the game universe, but the whole mantra of "Get strong, destroy this game, move to the next" is meant to mirror the typical gamer attitude that the pacifist route sets out to refute.
Chara isn't the villain, you are. You are the one that chooses genocide, and at the end you blame chara for it. "But Maya! She destroyed the universe and called herself a demon!" Well, she only destroyed the universe because you led her to believe that killing would bring her happiness. And that demon thing? ASRIEL Called himself the ABSOLUTE GOD OF HYPERDEATH and no one batted an eye before forgiving him!
don't compare like that. Compare the fact that they think "Chara" runied everything and the thing Asriel done never mean anything to them in the long run like how "Chara" did. But hey, isn't "Chara" mean "Chara"cter? The embodiment of you inside the game? And one last thing: did you notice the way Asriel call him seft and his attack is just like how a 5 year old kid would do?
I'd say a large driving factor to complete the genocide run is the sense of curiosity. Curiosity and the sense of disassociation. I'd actually say that's one of the main driving factors whereas the whole 'completionist' theory hinges on the satisfaction of finishing the game. Some are genuinely curious what happens when you turn the main character into the villain primarily because so few games or stories actually do or do it in a fashion that incites emotion. Lastly, it's why you had to put the spoiler disclaimer at the beginning. Because players currently feeding into their sense of curiosity want to have that sated on their terms or with the genuine article.
The only problem I have with this game is the fact that I was filled with self-esteem after beating the genocide route. It's just the fact that Toby put the hardest bosses in the genocide route meaning you will still feel achievement for beating it, since you defeated the hardest boss. And even if those bosses wouldn't have been hard I would still feel achievement just because I beat the game completely.
+ItSupah I disagree sorta. Like The Imaginary Axis states these fights are pretty unfair and can take people up to a hundred tries. I made it up to Sans and honestly the fight wasn't really fun because it was unfairly hard in that you had to basically memorize the fight in order to win. In the end I began seeing this as a great waste of my Midterm study so I stopped. I guss it is cool to tell your friends you maned up and beat the genocide route but you already know they will just call you a monster for doing so.
+HERO I don't want to start a comment war, but what was unfair about it? Before Sans uses an attack, he usually uses an easier version first. There are a couple of things that you have to memorize, but with good reaction time, it isn't unfair, just hard and, dare I say, fun.
That's exactly what it's supposed to do. Make you feel like you "have" to do genocide because it's the only way to complete the game. You've fallen into the exact trap you were supposed to fall into. You're not the only one though
"Chara" wont let you have an happy ending if you do a genocide be cause you already ruined it by enjoy killing everyone."Chara" only show it to you through image
It's a circle, because despite Chara defining themself that feeling, it is also Chara who says that YOU- player- are the one who thought them that their purpose was to gain power. Let's not pretend it was Chara controlling your mind, because despite Chara being that feeling, there is a part of them who is not just that, and it's that part that asks for your guidance and DOESN't guide you. So if you do pacifist, Chara will simply think that their purpose is to save everyone and everything. Also, let's not forget what the rest of their speech says, since it prooves that Chara not only is not the one owning determination and resettinf but is also just another character that doesn't remember a thing after the true reset.
Undertale is genius. If you beat pacifist and replay, you have to pay with the happiness of all of your friends. If you beat genocide and replay, you have to pay with your SOUL, and action the game remembers ETERNALLY. whats that? you could do genocide, and then pacifist, so everyone can stay happy, and you will still be a completionist? Nice. Fucking. Try. If this is your idea, it won't work. It will backfire, and your game will remember your misdeeds, and PUNISH you for it.
Which is a concept I hate, because it's a game in which you kill fictional characters. Nothing in the game really matters in real life. If you do the genocide route because you want to get everything the game has to offer, and you're not someone who knows how to get into the files than basically that 10 dollars is gone. You've basically just wasted your money because the game has its pretentious head up its own ass
Because Chara is the embodiment of your seft in the game. I mean,after the pacifist ending,Flowey beg you to not reset the game through the name you chose at the beginning, through "Chara"
Melody & RoseStar Because they are made of all your crimes, they are the literal embodiment of your desire, your LOVE (meaning your less close to the characters) and completion. They are your guilt and your desire for power personified. If that’s all they are then how can they not be classified as evil (they are your feelings during the run)? Their actions when they were human aren’t exactly innocent either.
I know it's too late to get a happy ending but god damn it I want it and the only way is to do stuff completely against the intentions of the creator and delete the gamefiles (that are hard to find). It seems so naive and ignorant, I don't know if I should do it.. Then again, I just want my friends back :C
That's really funny, that's what I think every time I'm dreaming and I'm dreaming of my past self. I wanna go back and not punch the guys who bullied me. Then again, I've also nicknames "Chara" as Raven in Shimmer Raven Shadowheart, so just accept that some things shouldn't be done.
+Sergeant Flipper I know the feeling...Digging through game files to undo what you did is not fun. But, Do you think it was worth it? Yeah you get your happy ending again and you save all the characters you've grown to calling friends but at the end of the day... You know what you did, You know the atrocities you committed, You know the lives you took in cold blood and you proved Sans right. You did it all because you weren't satisfied with just having a happy ending, you did exactly what Flowey did, you reset the timeline and took away their happy ending just because you had to see what happens if you went Genocide. Afterwards most players think that they can just play again and right their wrongs...But they can't...Not without striking a deal with the very being they brought into existence. They strike the deal. They lose their soul. But they get the game back. But the true cost? Post-Genocide endings...The worst endings in Undertale...The endings where you help Chara escape the underground under the ruse of regaining control of the game. Which leads some determined people back to this topic. Digging through the game files to undo what they did. I did the same thing too and i don't regret it...But we all know what we did...Sans knows what you did...And the game knows what you did... (Sorry for the wall of text there. Felt kind of creative when writing it. But yeah you know you made a good game when people do this kind of sh$t because of how it left them feeling.) ;)
Great video! I have never not completed a game like this, but after playing undertale and learning about the genocide run, I made a choice not to finish it. I remember asking myself, do i really want to kill these characters? How could I betray them? Perhaps the meaning of determination in this game is that determination without a just cause can be terrible, and can make you do terrible things. Pure determination is not what life is about. We must must have determination, thats how we get the happy ending, but we must not let ourselves be consumed by it, like Chara.
+Gunner Chamberlain I literally had the same thoughts. My very first run was a PAcifist run whrer i got a happy ending with missing parts of the story (obviously). (SPOILER) after i finished the pacifist run safed asrial /flowey, let everyone go on the surface and let flowey bid me not to reset the game i had this thought about not reseting the game and not playing a second run. But my curiosity was bigger. I played a second run. This time a genocide run and GOD DAMN DID I FEEL GUILTY. Everytime i killed a miniboss i was like: "I'm sorry" because of my previouse pacifist run i didn't fight against sans. But God did I feel guilty after him telling me i shall go to hell. After that experiance i decided to never ever play the genocide run again. Now I'm trying to restore the happy ending.
Gunner Chamberlain I didn't really do a genocide. I researched in the wiki. I did a very brutal neutral run and still i hated it. I also realized that i got the true pacifist ending in my very first run.
Due to containing a surprising amount of empathy for fictional characters (probably because my primary coping technique as a child was daydreaming stories, and eventually starting to write), I tend to care more about them in general. So after realizing that this game actually treated characters as "real", I played very differently. And Toriel's initial instructions intrigued me enough that I never actually killed to begin with, even with no spoilers. And so, I never actually "completed" Undertale. Now, due to those psychological effects you mentioned, I watched other people play those other parts to get that other part of the story. And then the game called me out on that. It was less effective, because it wasn't "my" version of the game, and easier to dismiss as not canon, but I was still a little shaken. Now, in-game, the Sans bossfight is part of a massive anticlimax, and masterfully designed that way. But separate from the rest of the Genocide route (there's a 1-1 recreation, or at least used to be, on a website freely available), it's rather fun to challenge and win. That said, you did a great job with the psychology, just not with the theory. Chara is not the villain of Undertale, and she is only who you make her into. You are the real villain. But I'm sure plenty of other comments have told you that already, so I won't go over the details of why that is the case.
Cooler I play a hell ton of geometry dash but sans took me a hell ton of attempts to beat before but now I've beaten him so many times (no I haven't been doing genocide route 2992828299192838 times I use bad time simulator) that I beat him in one attempt
+Megidramon I think that's a good way to play the game. First, you play it like any other RPG, then you become pacifist to discover the other side of the game and you finally do a second genocide to enjoy it fully.
I literally can not do an all thinner route in the Epic Mickey games because I want to see this twisted version of the Disney Resorts slowly turn around for the better and be more like the ones in our real world.
Not enough attention is being put on that opening gag with the random desktop folders. the "Ladies?" Jpeg of I'm assuming a younger you, Super Man vs Goku results, Musical Projects (???), and Audition for Sheldon Cooper for ERB lol I guess they haven't gotten back to you on that one yet
The Imaginary Axis I have a question.....You said Chara was the urge to beat the game, but they really just wanted a good ending for the monsters. They say "Perhaps a different route would be better suited" in the Genocide route, telling us to do the Pacafist It's just a question, not saying your wrong but that quote confuses me
Solution: DO another Genocide route after Genocide Route. You disgust even Chara.That's a win to me
i would do that if it would be possible
games 950 That is possible
You still lost your soul so i call that a win
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It's a win-win, kid. You have our souls, and we have nothing to lose from another Genocide!😈
5:56 You forgot to mention that the learner wasn't actually getting shocked, they were and actor pretending to get hurt.
*an actor
I know it's late but. Even if he mentioned it. Did it matter ?
Oh
its not the creators fault, he just barked and the game appeared...
Rollerknight lol
Toby Fox- This creator creates a game by barking
No Toby Fox Just Sneezed
For people who got worried: in the experiment, the learner would be an actor and would not actually get shocked.
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I'm not sure if it is common knowledge, but regardless I'll say it anyway just to clarify. The Milgram study was a real experiment but the electric shocks were not. The "learner" in the experiment was just a recording of sounds of someone being shocked and struggling to leave the experiment. You can rest a littler easier knowing people weren't actually shocked.
On a side note, I love how you connected the Milgram study to Undertale, that's awesome and I never thought about that similarity.
Who to blame: The Hitman or the person who hired him?
The victim
One represents the will or intention behind the action, the other the action itself. Equal parts important, I'd wager.
Both why
Both
One is doing a bad action, another one is paying him to do it
I don't like calling it "Chara" because it's not "Chara." It's "you." I don't know where the whole rumor came from that you have to name yourself "Chara" in order to initiate a genocide run. You don't. The game expects you to input YOUR name. Chara is a representation of the player. When you encounter it at the end of the genocide route it doesn't say "I am Chara" it says "I am _____" filling in that blank with whatever name was input by you, the player, in the beginning of the game.
Calling it Chara is a further implementation of cognitive dissonance. Chara was there alongside you the whole time because it IS you. It is the reason you drove yourself to complete the genocide run. It is the part of you that wants to see the final ending. The "true" ending. And when you finally wake up and realize what you're doing, it's too late. It tells you you never were in control... and you weren't. At any point you could have turned off the game, reset and done the genocide ending again or even just walked away... but you didn't. You kept going because that part of you HAD to see what would happen. And because of that, you were never in control of yourself. It's the only explanation. As explained in this video, you have absolutely no reason to ever play the genocide route. The game constantly tells you to stop, to turn around, to go back, even FLOWEY HIMSELF, the character who cheered you on throughout the game and told you to kill everything you can because this world is "kill or be killed"... he begs you to stop. But you don't, you press on, even when the game actively discourages you, you move forward. That part of your brain MAKES YOU keep going. That part of your brain MAKES YOU fight sans over and over until you get that perfect run that finishes him off hours or even days later. That part of your brain MAKES YOU kill Asgore. It MAKES YOU kill Flowey... and then it leaves you. It manifests yourself as a character on the screen, saying it is "you" because it is. That's exactly what it represents. "The player." It represents all of YOUR mistakes, all of YOUR regrets. All of the pain and suffering YOU caused. All because of YOURSELF. You have no one to blame but your own sick mind.
So don't bother calling it "Chara" to distance yourself, just because that's what the game's data calls it. Call it by your name. Because that's exactly what it is.
And yes, I've done the genocide run myself, I'm not scolding other players for doing what I was too cowardly to do like most people. This whole rant applies to me just as much as anyone else. And don't think you're automatically better than anyone else just because you looked it up online rather than playing it yourself. Even Flowey agrees that you're just as sick if not worse. You wanted to see it just as bad but you didn't want to actually put in the effort to do it yourself. What, just because it's in a different timeline it doesn't count? It still happened. And you still supported it. If you truly were a creature of perfect morals, you never would have even questioned what happens on the genocide route. But that's the thing. You're not a perfectly moral creature, no one is. You're a human, the greatest monster of them all.
There is three people in the game that you control. Chara, Frisk, And you. you are not chara, chara had its own storyline, it's own history, It's own personality and family. Frisk is a body for Chara and the Player, in the pacifist route frisk becomes more alive, which makes it so that they can realize themselves and not you and chara. However, in the genocide route, Chara becomes more alive until Frisk is suppressed to nonexistence. You, become the one not in control, but you still led the hand in destroying everything, And chara sees that. Now, Chara is not ALL evil, but you the Player made it evil; Chara is the dialogue/flavor text, and when you give it more ExP (Execution Points) they become distant. In the end, you make Chara evil and power hungry, all from Determination that Frisk and Chara represent.
You the Player is NOT CHARA, Chara was a character that fell in the underground after the war, Chara became the second child of the royal family, Chara killed itself to free the underground, And Chara somehow fused with Frisk.
You the Player Control Frisk, but you cannot control Chara. The more power you give to Chara, the more it takes over you and Frisk.
Well, that's a summary of Chara.
When you enter "Chara" as the name of the fallen human it literally says "The true name"
+Michael Whit You clearly didn't get what he meant. It wasn't about story.
+Ozariah Strog it was just a prank bro.
+Ozariah Strog plus, Chara is not you, it had its own life.
Since this video seems to be gaining some steam now, I just want to clarify that it is _not meant in any way_ to devalue your experience or character if you _enjoyed_ the Genocide route! Every gamer is a little bit different, and I just did not have time to discuss _all_ the possible psychological and philosophical factors that can be present in an _UNDERTALE_ run. Instead, I dissected what I believe to be the most common experience playing through _UNDERTALE_. I cannot speak for Toby Fox, but the game seems to be a commentary on gaming and our desire to complete things. I would not be surprised if the experience I described was the intended experience from the beginning and one of the main messages meant to be received by the player. It opened up a good avenue for discussing human nature, but it is still a video game. I am not accusing anyone of being a monster.
didn't UNDERstand A word....
please make a video about goku s strength
***** calm down :P chill just chill the chara in me wont go anywhere it will be stuck here no fredom for you chara!
:)
+The Imaginary Axis I really enjoyed your dissection of the thought process behind the game, it was very enjoyable and was some good thought food. Learned some new stuff I didn't know before.
5:36
"Should I still care about cartoons at this age?"
"SHUT UP!! STEVEN X CONNIE OTP!"
I actually did the genocide route because I wanted to :P
Well what can I say? All the bosses in other routes were piss-easy and fighting Undyne and Sans was fun as hell and actually challenging.
You're just like me. i love hard bosses in games because only then i feel determination
jolitero Well in my case it very much depends. On what however I have no idea. I just know that I had the willpower to struggle through Undertale's genocide, but on the other hand I couldn't get through Castlevania or Ninja Gaiden on the NES and god knows I tried.
Matt Wolff At first it seemed pretty insane, but in the end I managed to beat that without dying once. Too many health drops I guess.
It felt like a really epic fight though so I wouldn't dare call it a bad boss battle. Also by the way, its real name is actually Photoshop Flowey I think.
+Butter of Sorrow Doesn't have an official name.
Omega is more popular, but photoshop makes more sense.
JonGabriel03 Alright then. Just wanted to confirm whatever was the case actually.
But nonetheless long story short, the only boss battles I really appreciate are the ones in which you fail at least once or twice.
I am never doing the genocide route. I may normally be a completionist, but I love each and every part of this game to much to do it. Call me a wuss, I don't care. I do care, however, about this gem of a game.
+John Joubran wuss
+HERO pretty sure they don't care
+John Joubran Did the normal pacifist run, then the true pacifist and then ended the game. It was my ending and I was happy with that.
+Kylo Jen is your name supposed to be the same as Kylo Ren (from the new star wars movie)
Sans Gaster Yep. My name has "Jen" in it, so I mashed them together. In short, my username is pretty much a Star Wars pun :D.
"When you give up your SOUL..."
*video buffers
Coincidence? Or is all of this REAL?!?!
You are the best person who could explain chara till now. You have my respect sir
So you could say this apply for people who refuse to do the Genocide route, yet watch a let's play of it? I assume so and even Flowey calls you out on it. "It's not my fault! I 'm watching this player kill monsters but I'm not the one killing anybody! It's THEIR copy of the game! My game copy is fine!" So essentially you just sat there and watched? Cool.
This game can be cruel. lol
I'm not saying that harassing people for playing the game how they want is ok. (C'mon, really?) But it is interesting how the same principles apply even if you are just watching.
I like the psychology of Undertale so thanks for the video. It's well done and I subbed. :)
+LMaruchan
that's why such a gut punch for new players.
Yup. I didn't want to have the guilt of having done a genocide run. I admit that there is still blame on me for having watched others play it. I am not completely innocent. Flower called me out. It's also interesting to see that if people see an atrocity taking place some won't take action, no matter there beliefs. Just the Bystander affect taking place I guess
AJ Brodha
Well it's important to remember that Undertale is still a game. But it's a good commentary on human behavior towards violence in media and watching violence, if that makes sense.
I like someone's analogy that I saw on reddit, which gives me a good explination that either way, genocide run is bad, and you shouldn't do it.
If you do the run, you are Hitler. You are willingly killing and causing genocide to everyone, not caring for anyone until you realize your happy ending is gone.
If you watch it, your Hitler's curious friend. You don't do the killing, but you watch someone do the killing and get some enjoyment until you realize the people Hitler is killing are friendly and innocent.
If you watched Genocide like I did, your hands may be dust-free, but you watched someone kill the innocent.
Your still a monster either way.
I just watched the ending because I had a really bad time. ;-;
Had me until " We all got a bit of Chara in us. "
Its our choice not Chara's.
Chara is a total separate Charater from the Player and Frisk.
Yes Chara isn't a perfect flawless angel but not of the Characters are.
Chara is the Narrator and Flavor text She doesn't tell use to or Frisk to do anything.
Hell Chara even says it our Determination not theirs.
Determination is what Drives us not Some One else.
You've said THE GENDER WORD...YoU KNoW WHaT HAPpENs NOw?
Fandom: *Eyes glowing*
Aaron West: why do I hear boss music?
Kinda felt the same way. After all, Chara is a character, too. Matter of fact, they're actually more developed as a character than Frisk, as they actually have a set backstory, while all Frisk has is whatever we come up with for them. They don't even answer Asriel's question for why they climbed the mountain.
Finally I feel the same way
Am I the only one who resisted the Genocide run?
Nope
Nah, I can't kill them aswell
I tried it once... but Undyne was able to "persuade" me to stop
+Gabe Newell my boyfriend is too weak to genocide, so I am going to get to Sans in genocide and force him to play
Henrietta Biggle You monster ;-;
Chara is with you the entire game regardless of the run.
How to be above consequences and screw the meaning of the game:
1. Google what fiels to delete once you do genocide
2. do it
3. celebrate
4. weep as you realize how terrible a person you are.
+Mr. Pixel files
system_information_963
Mr. Pixel step 5 do genocide again to feel better 😊
Thinking gamer step 6 repeat
Step 7 don't repeat again
Step 8 disgust Chara by doing genocide again *lenny face*
I mean deleting a destroyed universe doesn't really fix anything does it?
great vid bro
+Andrew Alliguie Thanks! :)
*****
Thank you! It means a lot.
You make the best videos. I love how you go on and explain about these things. Things that 99 percent of people don't see or realize. I haven't played this game but I have seen other people play an hour or two. Thank you for these cool amazing videos. You and Game Theory are the only ones that I have seen that can pull this off. Thank you.
How to meet Chara without selling your soul.
1. Kill everyone
2. Meet Chara
3. Exit game
4.
5. Profit
that.......was deep
Best analysis yet. Good job man. Personally? I only completed the genocide route because I wanted a chance to take on the hardest boss in video game history. Beating Sans... yup it was worth it.
Everything in Undertale has secrets. From the gameplay of the plot to Toby Fox's genius/lazy made music!
Papyrus I skipped in the genocide since he's to pure
Then thats not genocide :P
+The guardian you can't "skip" on genocide. Enjoy your neutral play through. Wimp.
HERO the internet helped me
save file
after papyrus battle
+That Meme Person go big or go home
me i'm going home
i'm never playing undertale not after the shit i'v seen
i know by now it's great and i'm glad it exists
but i'm a completionist and i know i would slaughter everyone eventually
Director Bison Grammar was almost on point. Remember to capitalize "i".
Chara is not evil
It's us, the player who choose either genocide or pacifist
I thought this theory was good until you said "We all have a little of Chara in us"
So, again someone is blaming Chara for our own actions (even if just a little, you are)
By now I think you already knew about Chara's terrible past and horrible experience with humans and that she wanted to save the monsters by sacrificing other 6 monster souls (the ones in the drawing)
I would love if you made a theory about Chara's horrible past and TRUE intentions-
Because I hate it when everyone blames them for "causing" the genocide route.
If you killed everyone you cared about, don't blame someone who's life, decisions and intentions you know nothing about
But well, I subbed to you anyways
Good job, this might have taken a lot time to do
why does everyone think you are chara. you are not chara
+DaRkMaTt3r Gaming I didn't say we were Chara. Actually I never heard someone saying that kind of stuff.
I know just the video! there's a youtuber named judgement boy who made a whole video on what your saying. but is chara actually evil? it's hard to say. chara was an abused child who they said hated humanity. not to mention all the videos giving evidence about why chara is evil. the underground is lost and all monster and humans are dead. and the only way to bring them back is to give chara your soul. (evil) so technically yes chara is evil. now I'm not saying chara is responsible for the genocide route. but only trying to come back. every time you spare a monster. your actively fighting against chara. not giving In. but ey what do I know? you have your reasons and I have mine. and that's completely fine
+bill cipher yeah
finally, I meet someone who understands me!
Reasons for playing the genocide route.
1. The rush I feel from Undyne and Sans fights.
2. Power
Reason I'm not afraid of "losing" my happy ending:
Chara is nothing more than a fictional child, and with a little bit of fiddling with the Undertale files, I can remind them; SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL.
Ur boring
What happens when you delete chara from the game files?
@@redninjakat5733 fun facts:
1: you don’t delete characters. That was a bit in DDLC to add to monika’s 4th wall break-ness.
2: what you would do is probably reinstall as undertale saves locally and doesn’t use the cloud.
3: if you actually did delete chara’s models chara would just be invisible.
Chara being summoned through your actions isn't completely accurate. They are summoned by you entering the underground, and LOVE gives them enough power to become able to interact directly with the player (or frisk, the game isn't too clear on it. It can be assumed, however, that they are speaking directly to the player.) I am aware that you mention this later in the video, however I just thought I should mention this for clarity.
and one thing: Chara is the embodiment of your seft in the game. I mean,after the pacifist ending,Flowey beg you to not reset the game through the name you chose at the beginning, through "Chara"
Duy Khang Trần
Chara isn't the embodiment of yourself. Chara is a innocent child who's perception of right and wrong relies on your choices to do either or. I see alot of fans say this and this type of thinking is exactly the point of Undertale's morality system. To show that people don't wanna take responsibility for their actions regardless.
@@duykhangtran4406 Flowey matches the player more than Chara
I actually TRIED to do a Genocide run, but I chickened out at the Undying battle. So happy I did. ;-;
Me to, lol!
i killed everybody but then i reset and do again XD
I chickend when I faught my first battle. yeah I chickend out on a froggit. a flippin FROGGIT!!!!!!!!!
#truepasifist
MasterMoni bad player >:c
MaddieMoon Studios XD
So basically determination drove you forward to complete it, huh, Toby your pretty smart for that
Interesting psychological evaluation of Undertale! Hope to see more of this in the future!
the completeion effect fills you with determination
Oh my god yes. I'm a psych student, and I've been looking for someone who took this apart the way I did! This is Chara. I'm so happy with this. Don't forget The Stanford Prison project!! It's power. Can we talk about this people?!
I'm doing the genocide route to see Chara. I have adopted her(it's just my headcanon, please don't kill me) and Asriel.
3:16 Unless, well, y'know... you decide to play God for real, give the game's rules the middle finger, and proceed to edit the game's files (and I've heard thru the grapevine that apparently, you can do this even in spite of the fact that the game saves some data on an online server).
+IgnatianMystic I mean you seen the happy ending so I see no reason why you would need to reset everything if you know what will happen.
+IgnatianMystic Actually, the ONLY data it saves on an online server, is your genocide run if you met chara and completed it. Anything else is saved on your local pc.
+IgnatianMystic If you edit the files, Sans calls you out on it.
+Chaotix Fox If you're talking about the hacker ending, he only calls you out on it if you make something that shouldn't be possible happen. For example, if set the code so that you kill and spare Papyrus as the same time. I've messed around with the music files and general files, and he didn't say anything about it.
Toons & Games Alright. Thanks for clarification.
THE PSYCHOLOGY HURTS!
I CANT....
ERROR
I thought I was coming here for an undertale theroy, I ended up with a lesson on philosophy.
Does it make you a bad person if you played Genocide just so you could play the Sans boss fight? After that you would reset and never destroy the world. You only do it to see if you can beat Sans or not.
+TopHatLucario No, and even less so if you stop right after his "do nothing attack" and don't kill him.
(and even finishing genocide run doesn't make you a bad person, it's just a game :P)
No, because it's just a videogame, you are just triggering pixelated animations by pressing buttons.
Odie O'Troll a800562 Those were not the replies I expected or wanted.
+TopHatLucario I think that stopping right after Sans isn't the same as destroying the world because you don't kill the people whom Alphys wants to save.Besides, you don't sell you soul to "Chara". To me, it's just like aborting the route in any other part.
TopHatLucario And why would you let me know that? What's the purpose of your reply?
this guy deserves more subs
I just wanted to fight sans.
me to
+JandSand Me too, but I couldn't bring myself to do it, so I just used Flowey's time machine. Does it make be less murderous?(I killed him like 5 times already?)
+JandSand That and i wanted alphys dead i hate that girl is a fking douche, worst character in the game literally im so unsatisfied i didnt get to kill her.She's the only person i wanted dead in the entire series.
+tipoima ... How do you use his time machine?
MarcusjoshuaGaming WHERE'S ALPHYS WHERE IS SHEE TELL ME WHERE'S ALPHYS
this video keep popping up everywhere and wont go the fuck away so you know what? fuck it,lets look
+Nike Tomb Hope you like it! :)
i don't because you're blaming chara, when its actually us, as the player who is doing genocide.
+CandyChara well in the Undertale reality you're being POSSESSED by Chara
But Chara is just an analogue for the player. Chara is interesting because they technically exist in the game universe, but the whole mantra of "Get strong, destroy this game, move to the next" is meant to mirror the typical gamer attitude that the pacifist route sets out to refute.
but your still the one doing everything so even if that is true it doesn't matter
"Sheldon Cooper for ERB"
I don't know how late I am to this party but i get both references and I love you now
You made me enjoy watching a video that I thought I'd hate, lol
Good job sir!
+Chubacca7 I'm glad you liked it! :)
I know I’m three years late, but really comes down to one question,
Who was the one holding the knife...?
And stick.
And toy knife.
And empty gun.
And frying pan.
And notebook.
And possibly the ballet shoes.
And a glove, possibly.
Amazing video as usual Tyler! I love your channel!
Chara isn't the villain, you are. You are the one that chooses genocide, and at the end you blame chara for it. "But Maya! She destroyed the universe and called herself a demon!" Well, she only destroyed the universe because you led her to believe that killing would bring her happiness. And that demon thing? ASRIEL Called himself the ABSOLUTE GOD OF HYPERDEATH and no one batted an eye before forgiving him!
don't compare like that. Compare the fact that they think "Chara" runied everything and the thing Asriel done never mean anything to them in the long run like how "Chara" did. But hey, isn't "Chara" mean "Chara"cter? The embodiment of you inside the game? And one last thing: did you notice the way Asriel call him seft and his attack is just like how a 5 year old kid would do?
Exactly. Chara's only the representation of the power that we so truly desire.
I'd say a large driving factor to complete the genocide run is the sense of curiosity. Curiosity and the sense of disassociation. I'd actually say that's one of the main driving factors whereas the whole 'completionist' theory hinges on the satisfaction of finishing the game. Some are genuinely curious what happens when you turn the main character into the villain primarily because so few games or stories actually do or do it in a fashion that incites emotion.
Lastly, it's why you had to put the spoiler disclaimer at the beginning. Because players currently feeding into their sense of curiosity want to have that sated on their terms or with the genuine article.
OMG THANK YOU SO MUCH! It makes sense now.
The only problem I have with this game is the fact that I was filled with self-esteem after beating the genocide route. It's just the fact that Toby put the hardest bosses in the genocide route meaning you will still feel achievement for beating it, since you defeated the hardest boss. And even if those bosses wouldn't have been hard I would still feel achievement just because I beat the game completely.
+ItSupah I disagree sorta. Like The Imaginary Axis states these fights are pretty unfair and can take people up to a hundred tries. I made it up to Sans and honestly the fight wasn't really fun because it was unfairly hard in that you had to basically memorize the fight in order to win. In the end I began seeing this as a great waste of my Midterm study so I stopped. I guss it is cool to tell your friends you maned up and beat the genocide route but you already know they will just call you a monster for doing so.
+HERO I don't want to start a comment war, but what was unfair about it? Before Sans uses an attack, he usually uses an easier version first. There are a couple of things that you have to memorize, but with good reaction time, it isn't unfair, just hard and, dare I say, fun.
That's exactly what it's supposed to do. Make you feel like you "have" to do genocide because it's the only way to complete the game. You've fallen into the exact trap you were supposed to fall into. You're not the only one though
+HERO My friend beat the Sans boss fight in 30 minutes (Including all four attempts).
"Chara" wont let you have an happy ending if you do a genocide be cause you already ruined it by enjoy killing everyone."Chara" only show it to you through image
It is like Pandora or Icarus.
Curiosity killed them... and us
“Chara” means “Joy” it's also the name of a star.
a suggestion for a new video : if godzilla really existing and was destroying us. how long would it take to kill it and at what cost?
or something like this . it would be really interesting
+sidharth sunilkumar Thanks for the suggestion! I always appreciate these, and I'll be sure to look into it!
Did this just turn into game theory?
It only took me 20 tries to beat sans, I was so happy but then that happiness changed to me asking myself "why did I do this"
weeeell,that explains everything.Even the fact of genocide ruining my pacifist route.
Very good video, man. I learned something.
this video is incredible and the first 18 seconds is what i feel in a nutshell when i look at the icon on my desktop
It's pronounced "Chara" not "Chara"
It's gif not gif
Oh, shit.
It's a circle, because despite Chara defining themself that feeling, it is also Chara who says that YOU- player- are the one who thought them that their purpose was to gain power. Let's not pretend it was Chara controlling your mind, because despite Chara being that feeling, there is a part of them who is not just that, and it's that part that asks for your guidance and DOESN't guide you. So if you do pacifist, Chara will simply think that their purpose is to save everyone and everything. Also, let's not forget what the rest of their speech says, since it prooves that Chara not only is not the one owning determination and resettinf but is also just another character that doesn't remember a thing after the true reset.
This is by far your all time best video .. I was actually avoiding it because I deemed it boring, but glad I pushed the button
Keep it up man
*Hey Kid
*Wanna Do my brother Papyrus' Puzzle?
*Please He gets crazy about this stuff
Sure
Stop drinking ketchup
I love UNDERTALE omfg yasssss
Epic! This video made me your fan! You're as good as my favorite, MatPat!
The only reason I keep going on in Genocide run is to listen to that orgasmic Megalovania.
THATS TRUE
orgasmic?you get orgasms from that song?
+The Incredible Elephant Shrew ...and you can't do the same just by listening to the OST?
Tyler: Be sure to make good choices, until then
Me when it's Then: Rape, rob, kill, and bully.
*_"r a p e"_*
_"r o b"_
**don't you have anything BETTER to do?*
thank you so much FLOWEY now you have invaided my DREEMURS
*sees Steven universe reference *
*breaks iPad hitting subscribe*
#CharaProtectionSquad ?
lolman manlol I'm here!
#CharaProtectionSquad
#charaprotectionsquad
IM IN!!
lolman manlol here!!!!
Your video made me just choose a choice in the good route when I was watching this
Undertale is genius.
If you beat pacifist and replay, you have to pay with the happiness of all of your friends.
If you beat genocide and replay, you have to pay with your SOUL, and action the game remembers ETERNALLY.
whats that? you could do genocide, and then pacifist, so everyone can stay happy, and you will still be a completionist?
Nice.
Fucking.
Try.
If this is your idea, it won't work. It will backfire, and your game will remember your misdeeds, and PUNISH you for it.
Which is a concept I hate, because it's a game in which you kill fictional characters. Nothing in the game really matters in real life. If you do the genocide route because you want to get everything the game has to offer, and you're not someone who knows how to get into the files than basically that 10 dollars is gone. You've basically just wasted your money because the game has its pretentious head up its own ass
Nemesis Bloodryche well,there is a reason that this is a role play game
sheldon cooper audtion for erb LOL
i hope you get the role
+Saudi gucci I also applied for the role of Peter Parker, but that didn't work out. :P
+The Imaginary Axis you dont really look like a peter parker to me
just wanted to say.. You are awesome!!
and... U have got any thoughts about Gaster ?
why are you blaming Chara 😞
Melody & RoseStar ikr... i hate how he blames Chara
Because Chara is the embodiment of your seft in the game. I mean,after the pacifist ending,Flowey beg you to not reset the game through the name you chose at the beginning, through "Chara"
Melody & RoseStar
Because they are made of all your crimes, they are the literal embodiment of your desire, your LOVE (meaning your less close to the characters) and completion. They are your guilt and your desire for power personified. If that’s all they are then how can they not be classified as evil (they are your feelings during the run)? Their actions when they were human aren’t exactly innocent either.
I know it's too late to get a happy ending but god damn it I want it and the only way is to do stuff completely against the intentions of the creator and delete the gamefiles (that are hard to find). It seems so naive and ignorant, I don't know if I should do it.. Then again, I just want my friends back :C
That's really funny, that's what I think every time I'm dreaming and I'm dreaming of my past self. I wanna go back and not punch the guys who bullied me. Then again, I've also nicknames "Chara" as Raven in Shimmer Raven Shadowheart, so just accept that some things shouldn't be done.
+Sergeant Flipper
I know the feeling...Digging through game files to undo what you did is not fun. But, Do you think it was worth it? Yeah you get your happy ending again and you save all the characters you've grown to
calling friends but at the end of the day...
You know what you did, You know the atrocities you committed, You know the lives you took in cold blood and you proved Sans right. You did it all because you weren't satisfied with just having a happy ending, you did exactly what Flowey did, you reset the timeline and took away their happy ending just because you had to see what happens if you went Genocide.
Afterwards most players think that they can just play again and right their wrongs...But they can't...Not without striking a deal with the very being they brought into existence.
They strike the deal.
They lose their soul.
But they get the game back.
But the true cost?
Post-Genocide endings...The worst endings in Undertale...The endings where you help Chara escape the underground under the ruse of regaining control of the game.
Which leads some determined people back to this topic. Digging through the game files to undo what they did.
I did the same thing too and i don't regret it...But we all know what we did...Sans knows what you did...And the game knows what you did...
(Sorry for the wall of text there. Felt kind of creative when writing it. But yeah you know you made a good game when people do this kind of sh$t because of how it left them feeling.)
;)
I say gove them all yellow text in the end. Theres a program for the whole chara thing btw
+dragonvale19 What program?
+Sergeant Flipper fucknohtml.tumblr.com/post/133037946850/do-you-own-the-steam-version-of-undertale-do-you
your auditioning to be Sheldon copper in an erb, didn't know they were gonna use Sheldon
I cant do genocide
My evilness is to low
Im to "mice"
Great video! I have never not completed a game like this, but after playing undertale and learning about the genocide run, I made a choice not to finish it. I remember asking myself, do i really want to kill these characters? How could I betray them? Perhaps the meaning of determination in this game is that determination without a just cause can be terrible, and can make you do terrible things. Pure determination is not what life is about. We must must have determination, thats how we get the happy ending, but we must not let ourselves be consumed by it, like Chara.
+Gunner Chamberlain I literally had the same thoughts. My very first run was a PAcifist run whrer i got a happy ending with missing parts of the story (obviously). (SPOILER) after i finished the pacifist run safed asrial /flowey, let everyone go on the surface and let flowey bid me not to reset the game i had this thought about not reseting the game and not playing a second run. But my curiosity was bigger. I played a second run. This time a genocide run and GOD DAMN DID I FEEL GUILTY. Everytime i killed a miniboss i was like: "I'm sorry" because of my previouse pacifist run i didn't fight against sans. But God did I feel guilty after him telling me i shall go to hell.
After that experiance i decided to never ever play the genocide run again. Now I'm trying to restore the happy ending.
+Schokobienen TV yup, im so glad i didn't do it. im not sure that a genocide run is even reversable but good luck. Use your determination wisely.
Gunner Chamberlain
I didn't really do a genocide. I researched in the wiki. I did a very brutal neutral run and still i hated it. I also realized that i got the true pacifist ending in my very first run.
I did that too. I reset halfway through the sans fight after realizing that I was a terrible person
Due to containing a surprising amount of empathy for fictional characters (probably because my primary coping technique as a child was daydreaming stories, and eventually starting to write), I tend to care more about them in general. So after realizing that this game actually treated characters as "real", I played very differently. And Toriel's initial instructions intrigued me enough that I never actually killed to begin with, even with no spoilers. And so, I never actually "completed" Undertale.
Now, due to those psychological effects you mentioned, I watched other people play those other parts to get that other part of the story. And then the game called me out on that. It was less effective, because it wasn't "my" version of the game, and easier to dismiss as not canon, but I was still a little shaken.
Now, in-game, the Sans bossfight is part of a massive anticlimax, and masterfully designed that way. But separate from the rest of the Genocide route (there's a 1-1 recreation, or at least used to be, on a website freely available), it's rather fun to challenge and win.
That said, you did a great job with the psychology, just not with the theory. Chara is not the villain of Undertale, and she is only who you make her into. You are the real villain. But I'm sure plenty of other comments have told you that already, so I won't go over the details of why that is the case.
Holy shit 25k subs already
Lol sans took me 4 tries. I guess if ur good at geometry dash ur good at other challenging games
Cooler I play a hell ton of geometry dash but sans took me a hell ton of attempts to beat before but now I've beaten him so many times (no I haven't been doing genocide route 2992828299192838 times I use bad time simulator) that I beat him in one attempt
Why are some people like this? It makes me incredibly angry. Not your fault tho
Don’t give one
This Was Just Amazing… That Really Made Me Open My Eyes
Am I horrible for having done the genocide route first?
yes
No
+Megidramon Of course not, but the game is trying to make you think about your actions in videos games on a meta level.
+Megidramon I think that's a good way to play the game. First, you play it like any other RPG, then you become pacifist to discover the other side of the game and you finally do a second genocide to enjoy it fully.
Coming from someone named InsaneYandere, with a profile pic of Yuno, makes me question the validity of that comment....
I've never been able to play the evil route in any video game (ever). Does that mean I'm not human?
Oh don't worry, your human, just one of the good ones. ;v;
+Spiritlaw you're*, and playing a game doesn't make you bad.
You're human dude. You're just the type who wants to have a good life.
I literally can not do an all thinner route in the Epic Mickey games because I want to see this twisted version of the Disney Resorts slowly turn around for the better and be more like the ones in our real world.
That explanation fills you with DETERMINAT- nah, what i am saying......im still missing my soul BUAAAHHHHH
"Shut up Steven X Connie OTP"
No, Peridot X Steven OTP
Pearl X Amethyst Too
I've loved flowey, flowey is the best character...
>:3
Me too :0>:D
Rinchin Davaa YYYYEEEEAAAA!!!!!
Flowey is two of my favourite characters!
Shadowflame12123 Wha....?
Shadowflame12123 WAIT
Sheldon Cooper audition for ERB made me laugh way more than it should have. Tyler you’re great!
* Y o u r e a l l y h a t e m e t h a t m u c h ? ?
* N o w I s e e w h o I w a s p r o t e c t i n g . . .
* N o t y o u . . .
* B u t t h e m . . .
SPOILER ALERT
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Welp when you play hard mode you'll see that it's all staged
Not enough attention is being put on that opening gag with the random desktop folders. the "Ladies?" Jpeg of I'm assuming a younger you, Super Man vs Goku results, Musical Projects (???), and Audition for Sheldon Cooper for ERB lol I guess they haven't gotten back to you on that one yet
You just earned a sub.
Starpe and anotha one
And Another One.
and another
:3
Ladies?
lol that's awesome...
chara is the one helping you she gaved your soul,lv,money,exp, and she is the narrator she helps you the most.....i rlly love her......
YOU SAID MY NME AXIS WHAT IS ITTTT
+CharaTale Undertale Get dunked on , kid. ;)
+The Imaginary Axis uhmmmmmmm *jumps out window*
The Imaginary Axis I have a question.....You said Chara was the urge to beat the game, but they really just wanted a good ending for the monsters. They say "Perhaps a different route would be better suited" in the Genocide route, telling us to do the Pacafist It's just a question, not saying your wrong but that quote confuses me
everytime i complete something i go to murder something in a video game.
Same
god when the subject said "LEMME OUT! LEMME OUT!" man that was quite "shockingly" brutal
YAY ME
Order i played game
Pacifist
nuetrel
attempted genocide
genocide
Erase Do not?
what did i do?
i erased
Oh god, someone actually said it! I was so sick of people blaming a dead character for their actions. Thank you for this :D
WHY ARE YOU ANTAGONIZING CHARA THEY ARE NICE YOU THE PLAYER IS PUSHING CHARA WHICH IS PUSHING FRISK TO KILL!!!!!!!!
Because you ARE Chara
How is Chara nice?, She wasn't the greatest person like asriel said!