Are you truly a beginner? Then get a used Roland JD-Xi for $300-$400, spend 6-12 months really learning how to use it, take reasonably good care of it, then sell it for $300-$400 if you want to move on or up to something else. But don't be surprised if you never do! It's a fantastic introduction to synths, and having an excellent drum machine included puts it in a class by itself. It's a really fun machine!
The funny thing is… Roland is focusing on the vintage models… but the S8 engine was better than all the plug outs. Same in the Fantom… the models just sound like a limited Zencore engine. The Zencore engine sounds amazing.
7:53 The Yamaha MX has my favorite sounding pianos I’ve ever heard! It was the first “real” keyboard I owned and I’ll never get rid of it. It’s lightweight, easy to use, and it sounds fantastic! Highly recommend.
Nice beginners guide! I definitely recommend the Minilogue XD as a great beginners synth. I taught my 4 year old boy how to sound design using it. Because of the placement of all the knobs and synth sections on the XD, he was able to memorize and understand how to use it pretty quickly.
I slammed that thumbs up button really hard when you said "I don't care if it is analog or digital..." Whether music stuff or cameras or whatever, if the tool works, use it!
I wasn't expecting the Hydra Explorer to be here, but you make a great point about how it's easy and you can start on it but at the same time you can grow into it. I have a hydra deluxe and it is super simple to use but I can find virtually infinite things I can do with it. I'm always finding something new about it and I've had a few versions of the hydra for a few years now.
Me too, I ordered the first Hydrasynth the instant it was announced, now I have the Deluxe. I can whip up a sound up on it quickly and easily in a few seconds, or spend hours diving into crazy modulation to come up with insane modulated craziness.
Really good review Scott! I like how you broke down why you chose each synth and some strengths about each one without going into too much detail. I agree with your choice of the Roland Gaia. It's underrated and a lot of fun to play. I like that there is no menu to dive. It's capable of producing great sounds and can be played on batteries alone. Thanks for the video top 10 list!
I own both #5 and #4 on this list... They are both exactly as advertised... I am learning how to 'synth' so am mostly in the 'let's explore the presets and maybe alter them a bit' stage. I cannot tell you how impressed I have been with both the Mininova and Explorer. The Nova has some great sounds and, though not mentioned by Scott, there are eight 'mod' buttons that can be used to alter sounds in real time with a quick press. For the other one, as Scott has said, the Exploerer is a synth that I feel comfortable growing into without being intimidated right out of the box. It's like, "OK, here's a Ferrari... but we're gonna set it up to drive like a Minivan till you get used to it. THEN... when you're ready... you can UNLEASH!" :)
@@ScottsSynthStuff disagree. Put out the fx section and you ll see how dm12 sounds thin. It s because the lp filter actually cut the lowest frequency. Even a modal sounds fater.
Great recommendations! I especially like that you recommend poly synths. Too often beginner's think they need analog and then end up with a mono synth, because analog poly synths are generally still expensive (with the DM 12 the obvious exception, which I would probably have ranked higher). As great as mono synths can be, if you want to get a sense of accomplishment by actually creating your first track, it's so much easier with a polysynth. Having said that, as your second synth, I think you can't go wrong with one of the Behringer classic mono synth clones, esp. since you can get them for 200 bucks used.
I agree with you 100%. A good friend of mine had a son who wanted a first synthesizer, I told her what I would recommend, the salesman talked her out of my recommendation and instead sold her a Moog Matriarch(!!!) The poor kid was lost, didn't understand the concept of paraphony, couldn't use the thing to make the music he wanted to make, and today it sits collecting dust in the corner.
the dreadbox nymphes can be found 350 euros used; and it's a 6 voices analog poly with a lot of character. don't know if this works as a first synth; but I'd say it does if you already do music with software. It has limitations (mono; one osc) but I prefer that to a synth with tons of features and a boring plastic sound. I would say a lot of people buy their first synth when they already have experience with a DAW and soft synths (which should be your first stop to learn abouth synths) and want something hands on so a mono synth as a first synth makes sense.
I'd have bumped up the Behringer Deepmind 12 - it's an all round great affordable "analogue" synth for beginners. The Roland JDXi is another I thought might have been placed higher - I love it as a "can do almost everything" synth - with a decent controller keyboard attached ...
The Deepmind I placed where it was because a lot of the functions, particularly FX, require some menu diving. And no question if the JD-Xi had a reasonable keybed, I would definitely have put it higher on the list!
Totally agree on 1 and 2. I have and love them both. I also have the JDXi and have to ask you to put that at #3. Thanks. I look forward to your update.
@@rolandechosmith5526 I had the original minilogue, not the xd. I didn’t like it. I felt it sounded thin. The dm12 was much beefier. You can arrange the voices into two pairs of 6 and detune them and it sounds fat af.
Ok, first off, the System 8 is great, I loved it and it’s super fun to tweak and design sounds on. But if we are getting up to $1700… I think the Fantom 06 should be on the list. Not only does it have graphical displays of envelopes and amazing VA, but once a beginner wants to actually start making tracks, everything they need is right there.
The Fantom-06 wasn't released yet when I made this video. I have one now, but I don't know that I would say it's a great beginner synth. It's decidedly complex, enough that it could easily discourage someone new to synths.
The Reface CS is a fantastic little synth! I sold mine because I found I wasn't using it enough...and I REGRET it. I will likely end up buying another one.
Hey Scott, thanks for all the great content! Thanks to you and a couple other YTers I have my first synth on the way - a Gaia SH-01 from Sweetwater. Tomorrow can’t come soon enough!
That's great! The GAIA is a fantastic first synth: it is simple enough that you can get it going and learn on it, but complex enough that you can use it for years to come. I still use mine to record, just because I like the sound of it!
The Yamaha Reface stuff is really, really good. Weirdly enough, the CS was the first one I wanted, yet the only one I don’t have. I’m getting one. Anyway, I came here to say the DX is fantastic. Accessible FM. They knocked it out of the park. (I’d be remiss if I didn’t also mention the Reface CP. Off topic, not a synth, but it is my favourite keyboard instrument. Rhodes, Wurly, tiny, playable, sounds fantastic.). Reface. Excellent.
I was looking for a mid range synth and you got exactly the synths i was looking trough...my thoughts went to argon 8 or hydrasynth explorer. Not quite sure what i want. I dont think there is a better explaination on youtube that you do here. GREAT JOB!
Can't argue with the Reface CS either; I liked it so much I bought the DX and CP as well. CS makes a great add-on when you don't want/need a full-size keyboard -- or more to the point, when you want to have a synth, but don't want all the setup and space requirements.
@@ScottsSynthStuff I have both but while I have maybe made 5 FM Sounds on the MODX, I have done more than 50 on the DX, because it is so easy and it sounds so good.
Totally agree with you about the looper on the Reface CS. I would’ve preferred an arpeggiator instead. Or, at least, a different design for the looper; a slider control is too unwieldy for looping phrases properly.
The fact that it is recording AUDIO makes it even more worthless, and yes, trying to loop a phrase with that slider is near impossible. An arpeggiator, or better yet, a MIDI looper, perhaps with quantization, would have been far better.
Good list. I started on a Roland System 1. I learned just by using it a lot and figuring out what did what. TH-cam is a great place for tutorials and tips for almost any music gear. My next synth was a Korg Wavestate. This I would consider more in the intermediate level of synths and not for beginners. I definitely needed to watch a good bit of YT tutorials as there's certainly a learning curve. Once you understand it though it's a fantastic, powerful beast of a synth. I would say it's easily one of the top 5 synths under $1,000 USD. I love it and use it a lot. My most recent and third synth is the powerful Hydrasynth Deluxe. I find this to be an odd hybrid of being both a great beginner synth (Explorer version if it's your first synth) AND a great intermediate to advanced synth. Once you learn how easy it is to route everything & use the mod matrix & macros the possibilities are endless. The synth can be as simple as just using the RANDOM button for everything or a complex deep dive of changing every parameter & routing. I love the HSD except for the lack of proper inputs to run external gear through it. I know you can use adapter cables and run into MOD 1 & 2 but a pair of combo jack inputs would've been nice. This is a fantastic synth and fits nice with all my other gear such as MPC Live 2, Roland MC-707 and Roland FA-07. I like to experiment with combining gear too. It's fun to run synths through gear such as Line 6 Helix, MPC Live 2, guitar pedals, modeling amps, other synths etc. It's a great time to be a musician with so many options for budget and skill level. The added bonus of being able to learn your gear online is great too.
I have seen quite a few beginning synthesists who were at first enticed by the sounds of the Wavestate - and then completely turned off and alienated by its interface and programming. I wouldn't in any way recommend that as a beginner synth. I agree about the Hydrasynth - it can be quite easy to learn and use, yet it has the ability to program incredibly complex sounds once you dive into its modulation and routing capabilities.
This is a great video and covers a wide variety of great starter synthesizers, or a few synth s to seriously consider adding to your rig. I love that you tried to create a top price point of $1,000.00 but included the Roland System-8 at Now $1700 (I only paid $1499 for mine brand new when it came out). I love my System-8 for all of the reasons you mentioned in this video. I also love my Roland Gaia SH-01 for the great sound and ease of use - however, you neglected to mention that this great little synth with full sized keys is also multitimbral on 16 channels where 15 of those channels use general MIDI synth sounds. It is a great synth for folks to start with to learn synthesis on and even get into multi-tracking a]tunes when used with an external sequencer or computer. It was great to see you include the Novation as well. Though I do not have and have not used the Novation MiniNova, I do have a Novation Supernova II which I love as well for its great sound and deep multi-effects. And while I do not currently have the Korg Minilogue XD, I did have the original Minilogue which does sound great and was only $499 when I got it new. I eventually got rid of my Minilogue after I got my Roland System-8 as I was running out of physical room in my studio. I would still recommend a Korg Minilogue or Minilogue XD as they do have a great sound despite the the smaller key size. Great video! Thank you!
The Studiologic Sledge deserve a place on this list. It's a VA, with one function per button, aftertouch and full size keys. Excellent for learning subtractive synthesis.
It is close to running out, but still available in a few shops and not actually ran out yet! Interested ones should concider the black or the normal, yellow, edition!🙂
Great list. I have owned 5 of the synths on your list. Still have the Deepmind and recently bought a Hydrasynth Explorer. Upgraded from a Minilogue XD to a Prologue. Each has played a role in developing my understanding and ability around sound design. You nailed the pros and cons of all the ones I have experienced and have fondness for the ones I have moved on from: XD, JDXI and MX49.
I have a soft spot for the MX, I had a (blue) MX61. It was a great instrument. How do you like the keybed on the HS Explorer? I tried one at Sweetwater, and found the travel a bit small. I'm not a tremendous fan of mini keys, that might have tainted my opinion some however.
@@ScottsSynthStuff I know what you mean about the MX. It was my first real synth and got me hooked on all the possible sounds. I didn't really have a clue about sound design then (still learning). I know what you mean about the Explorer. I love the synth but the keys can be a bit tricky. Right now I work mainly on a Prologue 8, which is great for immediacy and direct learning feedback. The Explorer needs me to be more patient and keep learning to get to its full potential.
Great video. Thank you! I watched your review of the Yamaha Reface CS before this one. I just purchased one and I think it is going to be ideal for composing/arranging/noodling while drinking coffee in the morning or for mid-day 'lounging' inspiration. I have other synths for actual 'work', but I wanted something portable and detached for creating/evolving ideas. I think that is this synth's strong point. Cheers!
ABOUT THE ROLAND GAIA: When I was at Sweetwater University, Daniel Fisher (instructor synth genius) asked the entire class to yell out ANY sound or ANY song. He was able to flawlessly create ALL of them within 20-30 seconds. From crickets to RUSH to the WHO to creaking doors and on and on. AMAZING!
Gaia is one of a kind, never has a 3 layer synth with all surface controls been manufactured before or since. The Gaia2 is nothing at all like the Gaia, it is a conventional synth like all the others.
Well explained and a good orientation for beginners! Here are my comments: - For me, all the mentioned synths, except the MX 49, sound more interisting (I tested and owned or own all) than the Gaia and Reface CS. -It would pay out to purchase one of the ancestors of the MX 49, a CS2x or an ANX (CS1x even cheaper): You might get that cheaper and more real time knobs. Even their bigger brother the CS6x has its price dropped a lot the last years - check it out! -There ist no need to pay 100 € more for a minilogue XD. I would recommend the normal minilogue. - Same ist true for the System 8: The System 1 can do a lot and is more in the pricerange for beginners (Less than half price, but mini keys). -A used Ultranova could be cheaper than a Mininova and has a better keybed and a better haptic. But after its facelift, the Mininova is very fine (I have one, but thought during the buying process about an Ultranova too). -I see no difference in the keybed of the Mininova and the JDxi. The keybed of the reface series ist better indeed. - I prefer the Cobalt before the Argon. 😎
Very nice logical list! I had some of the cheaper keyboards: Yamaha MX49, Roland JDXI and a few that would also fit in the list (Roland Go Keys, Korg Triton Tactile, Yamaha SY22 and CS1X, Korg microKorg, M-Audio Venom, E-Mu Shortboard and another few others) I sold them all again! I'm just sorry about the Yamaha MX49, it's really fantastic! But unfortunately it was too big for me and unfortunately it can't be operated with batteries, which is very important to me! The two Korgs were terrible! Poor workmanship and boring sounds! Now I'm buying a Novation Mininova and hope it's the right one! I also made videos about most of them, unfortunately only in German 😉 Thank you for your many great videos! They give good and honest tips and information 👍❤️
Just my 50 ct... Go for a second hand system 8, around 1000 1100. Beginner synths, do they exist? The system 8 you have three synths, a good layout with the main features which al return in almost every synth if its for learning, posibility of layering sounds, quite allround. While I have cheaper synths, and I am very happy with them to, just save a little more money and keep looking for good deals. I like it actually you started with the system 8, a lot of these videos stat with cheaper options, but they most times end up in a collection of synths, and cheaper smaller doesn´t mean less useful, but my tkae is that you want your first synth a thing that can grow with you. And to many videos always start for beginners with synths around 400 euros. Take for instance the JDXI, a great beatbox synth, but then, lots of menu diving compared to the system 8. And one of my last synth bought was the novation summit, new but strong reduced price. Okay, save a little more, but these synths are surely synths that last a while in terms of not outgroing them. And yes, I have great monophonic synths, but first synth, start with a polyphonic one....my main advice, just save, don´t be afraid starting with a more expensive synth you don´t outgrow. thumbs up for the video..
I should have talked about buying used, that's a good point. The System-8 can get complex if you dive into it like I mention, but it's a really great synth for learning synthesis on I think, for all the reasons you state. And it will definitely grow with you!
@@ScottsSynthStuff if I look at my own road it's my idea that an hardware synth contributes not really soundwise. Honestly I own beautiful vst synths and a perfect controller for vst synths. But having a hardware synth, and I own severa,l it changed the way I think of my compositions. Honestly I own some highly rated analog synths, but in fact, they're clumsy compared to vst. And because of this, the recording, mixing proces changes and so did my use of vst synths. The "problem", I think many start out with vst synths, but many times you'll get stuck in merely programming a song, from midi to sound. When using HW synths that is cut away, while more clumsy it opens creativity, and that same creativity returns when working with vst synths...it's a little my take on HW synths, and beside that.. love it, addicting. So that's why I think that if you want to buy your first synth save a little more, go for a synth that you don't outgrow fast. And honestly, it normally doesn't stay with one synth. These machines are such a creativity boosts! Have a nice weekend!
Hi Scot, the Beringer Deepmind is a great synth but the menu diving is sometimes frustrating. Okay, much better than the Rolan JD-Xi menues. But the feature for me was the buildquality and the full size keys in the small Deemind 6 version with aftertouch. When you want a small analog Synth with full size keys, check out the Deppmind 6.
Because of mostly time and space constraints, I'm not going to buy anything just yet, but I'd love to, so at least I'm watching some videos and stick with my digital piano :) But I'd take the number one only for free :) I don't want anything that even looks as a toy or is very retro and I also much dislike the feeling I'm very limited. I think I'd be deciding between the DeepMind 12, HydraSynth or the Cobalt8.
For its price point, I think the Reface CS is a killer bargain. It does have a large sound palette, but it has a few programming quirks. Only one envelope with a filter/amp slider is a bit unorthodox, and the osc section is very versitile but also a little uncommon. In order to get basic oscillator concepts out of it, you use the texture and mod slider. So if you want a sub oscillator, it's dependent on using the correct wave form type, and the texture and mod sliders to bring the sub volume in. If you use a different oscillator type, you won't have a sub oscillator option at all. Flexible, yes, but using it to learn sound design, it does not have a feature set that allows transfer of the knowledge to another synth as easily as the minilogue. Also a drawback is there are no onboard memories, so a beginner either has to do without them, or use an outboard app to save and recall sounds. Don't get me wrong I love mine and use it a lot. I'd for sure recommend it for it's price, but not as much for learning synth programming/sound design.
I did a full review on the CS here: th-cam.com/video/sQI4bn0jBJs/w-d-xo.html I agree about most of your points. It can save and retrieve patches to the Yamaha SoundMondo web site, so you can use that for patch storage and retrieval - that's what I ended up doing.
nymphes and the soon to be release PRO-800 are gonna be really interesting as a super affordable desktop analog poly. (also the minifreak probably deserves a place here; but maybe it wasn't released yet at the time of making the video?)
Correct, this video predates the Minifreak. Once NAMM is over, I'll update this video, as I'm sure if I were to do it now it would be out of date after NAMM. :)
Appreciate all of the work you did for this video, my only gripe is that these synths aren't necessarily cheap. Cheap for the average is probably $300-500 for one piece of equipment which you only had 1 within this price range. The Arturia MicroFreak is probably up the alley of what most people who watched this video came for 💯
It really is not that complicated for a beginner synth. We are staying in the realm of subtractive for beginners. 1) Must have no menu and all the surface controls can be viewed 100% of the time to know the status of the synth. Encoders are not good. 2) Must be polyphonic and enough polyphony to play chords and melody, two handed playing for learning keyboard skills. And poly for sound designing for more than melody one note playing. 3) Must have full sized keys, you never would start a beginner on anything but the standard of all keyboards from synth to 9 foot Steinway D, again skills. 4) There should be enough keys for two handed playing with 61 being the minimum. So what is out there that could fulfil this list? 1) Roland System8 2) Studiologic Sledge 3) Sequential Prophet Rev2 08 That is all there is under $2000 Alternatives 3) Korg Minilogue with a 61 key controller. That is about it.
The programs don't give the synths any new capabilities that they didn't already come with - it just makes it easier to manipulate the parameters within them.
@@ScottsSynthStuff not true. The MX software allows additional voices to be layered. The JDXI gives full access to ADSR individually instead of a combo knob.
Hi Scott, i actually have 3 of the listed synths. The mininova, deepmind 12D, and the Cobalt 8M. What did i miss? the roland Boutique series. Those little Roland beasts make some real good sounds too. Otherwise, i loved the review and i hope we will get more interesting topics like this in the future. Greetings from Belgium. Cheers ( i know you can't add everything in a top 10, but i find the Boutique series worth to mention)
The Boutique series are neat little synths, and they definitely serve a niche. Particularly on the simpler subtractive versions - the JU-06 and so on. Problem is, they're all limited run - they make them for a short while, then they stop, and the prices of the used ones skyrocket!
Minilogue should be at or near the top. Microkorg S should be alongside the CS (do you want simple/no internal settings, or more depth/complexity and internal settings). … come to think of it, what do you have against Korg … ?!?!! 😜
@@ScottsSynthStuff I was joking (😜) … they just seemed like very glaring omissions!! And Rational Youth even had a MicroKorg on stage, right next to their MiniNova! 😊 I’d say the MicroKorg has better classic/VA sounds, and the MiniNova is brighter/more EDM & electronica. MiniNova has a clearer vocoder, but I actually prefer the dirtier vibe of the MicroKorg’s (I have an MS2000B that I similarly like for ‘vocoding’).
If you're putting something as expensive as a Roland System 8 in there, and you debated whether to put a Hydrasynth Explorer in there, why not forego the Explorer, and just put a Hydrasynth in your list? Yes, its also at the upper range of the beginner price bracket, but more knob-per-function, ribbon, etc. and something you can really grow into. Not a pro / I know nothing / just my 2c 😅
OK, that´s all new or kinda new stuff. As an "old" keyboardist I just kept my old stuff as the new synths are not so superior that I feel forced to buy new stuff. Furthermore I have 4 models of each synth as I hate to read the manuals and get used to the handling of numerous synths. So for an analog synth I have four Oberheim Xpanders. For wavetable four Waldorf Microwaves II, for sampling four Roland S-760 and for any digital emulation I use four V-Machines (plus there are 4 digital piano modules, for rompling I have 4 Roland XV.5080 and for Hammond sound I have a real C3 and 3 Voce V5+) Why four? Well, one for my studio, and one for each setup of my live-gear). So I think you forgot to mention old synths that could be purchased at decent price points - ok, not the Xpander.
It is true, but older synths do come with their helping of problems. As someone who fixes & restores old synths, it's not all that common that you find an older used synth for sale with NO problems whatsoever. :)
Great video! Which I'm more of chasing a nostalgic sound so for me the Roland Botique and Yamaha Reface series can't really be beat. As while they have a tweaked sound from the orginals it fits better with what I am creating... But of your list that Hydrosnyth sounds really good as an midi interface and snyth.
@@ScottsSynthStuff Good point and I could use the hydrasmth with the roland cloud plug ins instead of a botique... That does seem like a good way to get me started thanks!
In considering the system-8, I think it's fair to regard it as *four* synths in one, and therefore about $400 per synth. That's how I thought of it, anyway
For sure, and it's THE cheapest way to get the most accurate Jupiter-8 emulation available. I know people who have bought two of them, loading different plugouts into the second one.
Hey! Thanks for all the vids you do! You are so dedicated and passionnate about synths! My first synth was a DM-12 desktop that I used with a Roland RD2000 in the fifth layer slot, still love it. 2nd synth was the ASM Hydrasynth 49 keys and rapidly I added the Novation Summit. My last acquisition is Hydrasynth Deluxe. Summit sounds so great, Hydrasynth polyphony is wonderful and the dual engine makes it exceptionnal. I still have a lot to learn with every piece of gear. Also a lot to learn with DAW functionality too. Cobalt 8X seems nice... I do think I have enough to work on... But temptation is great! ;-) What do you think?
As you know, I also have the Summit and Hydrasynth Deluxe. I wouldn't have bought the Cobalt8x if it didn't bring something new and unique to the sonic stage, which it definitely does. I say, go for it!
Wow you just named a lot of the gear that I have and have been interested in, curious to pick your brain a little bit! I also have an RD-2000 that I hold onto for practicing real piano and because the keybed is just the most wonderful experience ever. However, the gigging band I’m in has less and less need for piano and organ sounds so I decided to switch to synthesizers full-time. Was about to buy a DM12 but found a good deal on the Hydrasynth 49-key and I don’t regret that at all. I love my hydrasynth deeply and am considering upgrading to the deluxe for the longer keybed and multitimbrality so that I can more seamlessly switch between two patches during live play. My one complaint about the HS though is the huuuge travel of the keybed. Anytime I do fire up my RD-2000 I find I can just fly on that thing in a way that the HS doesn’t allow me to (maybe I’m just not used to it yet and I know that synth keybeds are a different beast). So anyway I found a good deal on a Summit and am considering basically selling the Roland to buy that and either keeping the HS or possibly downsizing to the explorer (could never part with the HS and love the idea of portability and battery power if the Summit becomes my main board). I briefly got to demo the Summit and enjoyed the shorter travel, could play faster than on the HS for sure, but wasn’t as blown away by the sound engine or keybed as I was hoping. I think both of these could be due to feeling rushed and not being quite used to them yet. So anyway, I’m rambling, my question is: with three seemingly very different keybeds, do you relate to my opinions of them and what would you recommend between the Summit and HS Deluxe (I’ve heard they slightly altered the keybed on the Deluxe but don’t have an opportunity to demo one unfortunately), both in terms of keybed and sound engine (this will be my main/possibly only synth and I do enjoy deep sound design, but play in a post-punk-experimental-noise band). I hope you see this and can weigh in, I’ve been dying to hear the perspective of someone with the experience that it seems you have. Thank you so much!
@@tylerborn7345 Hi! Your stage piano is solid, durable RD2000 with an excellent keybed and 8 ZONES to be a Master Keyboard and control whatever you want with 2 midi out. I will keep it for sure and go for a desktop PEAK and/or a desktop DM-12. Keep your HS 49 for the polyafter touch (but add an additionnal control over it with the RD2000. You will have multitimbrality with the addition of other synths . Have the BPM clock sent by the RD2000. Many possibilities with the RD2000 to program scenes and have control over midi of ALL YOUR SYNTHS and also virtual instruments. You can start all of them at once all in sync. Or choose which one at the touch of a button! Even start an arpeggio or a patch, Latch On and let it go, then start playing with the other synths without altering the arpeggio. It's what I do. You can tweak your sound on your desktop while playing another synth on the RD2000... So many possibilities. Money seems to be an issue, then keep in mind that RD2000 is a great value. There will be plenty of newer synths in the future to choose from.
I've watched this video more times than I want to admit. Well done, very useful and informative. I'm currently looking into the MX49 and it just blows my mind how much value is in that keyboard for the money. Do you have an experience with the novation circuit tracks? I'm really curious what a circuit tracks could do with a MX49 as the sound module and controlled via MIDI from the tracks.
For sure! The MX49 is a bargain for the breadth of sounds it contains, and it will work either as a sound module to be controlled by a Circuit Tracks, or as a controller to play sounds/samples in the Circuit Tracks...or both!
Thanks for the video. I've been thinking about getting the full ASM Hydrasynth Deluxe. I want a full size synth keyboard, I love the fact that it has poly aftertouch. On top of that, it seems like I would never grow tired of it's sonic capabilities, except that I can't load my own waveforms. This would be my first synth in 20 years and I consider myself a novice. Would I be making a mistake?
Recommending System 8 and refusing to consider FM synths is strange. Opsix can easily do your "oscillators through a filter" subtractive stuff. Actually if one owns Ableton Standard or higher one of the best learning synths that they already have is Ableton's Operator.
Love your videos and this on is awesome, and just what I needed! I'm still undecided though! About $400 is my limit, for a first synth. I don't mind used. I want a 37-mini-key model (so it fits on my desk) and with a decent looper and sequencer. I'm more interested in creating unique sound effects as well as having access to good quality instrument voices for regular playing. Good built-in effects (including long delays) are important to me. I'm thinking about Minifreak, Mininova, JD-Xi, Minilogue XD or Cobalt 8...
What I am disappointed with synths these days is the lack of multi-timberality. My kids Yamaha Psr-e473 is six part multi-timberal, comes with two DSP effects and global reverb and chorus for $375. I know its not a synth but c'mon surely things that cost five times can't do this?
I think part of it comes from the relentless drive to emulate analog synths of yesterday, which were definitely not multitimbral. Workstations like the MODX, Montage, Fantom, Nautilus, etc. still have multitimbrality, but it's just not part of the virtual analog world. For those that do (Hydrasynth Deluxe, System-8, Summit) they are bitimbral, which again emulates the Jupiter-8's of old.
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Seems like a really thoughtful video but i wouldve really appreciated if you demonstrated each synth so i can at least know what it sounds like, dont think ill finish this video because of that tbh which is a shame because you seem like you really know your stuff
I really like synth sounds of music, TV, movies from 70s/80s, what would be a beginner synth for these sounds? Been looking at Beringer retro synths, Monopoly, Poly D and Odyssey
Hello Scott, my name is Ace Bizerk and I own the A-Pro 300, JD-Xi, and MC-707. I have watched your videos and thank you for making them. I felt like since I have these same devices that it would be good to reach out and say hello. There are some areas that I could use some advice on like mapping the A-Pro for the MC-707. Embarrassing as it is I could also use some help setting up the initial parameters for using RPN/NRPN messeges. Somehow I still do not have a good understanding of how to set the null controllers and utilizing these types of MIDI messeges. I got some of the maps for the JD-XI off of the Roland Clan Forum that have Sysex messages. RPN'S are not mapped but described which ones work with the JD-Xi. However, since I don't know how to set up RPN's I have not been able to use them. This I am really wanting to figure out so I can make maps for the MC-707 which seems to have much smaller midi implementation Rx parameters. Thank you so much for your time and all the help you have already provided. Aaron (Ace Bizerk, ZoomFutureProductions, and Glass Pane Studio)
I think you don't say enough that the Minilogue XD 3rd osc is basically open source. So yeah, some people sell these, many others give them for free, and there is and virtually endless source of interessting noises. Now if you sequence things (no idea why keyboard is a criteria here), Roland JU-06A is cheap, 6 voices virtual analog, doesn't take any space. It's great.
Thanks you Scott. In the Deepmind 12 don't forget the powerful modulation matrix. And I would add the Studiologic Sledge in the list. It's a powerful VA with all capabilities (3 Vco, 3 LFO, a Multi VCF, wavetables, Fm, synchro,....). It is really relevant for beginners all knobs and buttons are on the panel.
The list could have so many in there. It’s a great time to be a synthesist with so much choice. I’ve been into synths since the late 70s and although I’m hopeless at it I still love them and have a few older ones. The first synth I ever tried was an ARP 2600 😂😂. Needless to say I couldn’t get anywhere with it.
I would add the Behrenger Poly-D. It's only 4 voices and it's not a true poly synth, so if you're looking for that, than its not ideal. But it's based on the MiniMoog, and there are no menus or presets, so it's the most basic and easiest synth in the World to learn on. And all of the classic MiniMoog sounds like leads and basses are right there for you. A real MiniMoog is 5 times as much money (and monophonic), so it's a huge bargain. In terms of playability and hands-on control, nothing can touch it. I own one, and love it. Not for everyone, but if you learn subtractive synthesis on this, than you'll really get it.
I really considered that one for this list. I've also ALMOST bought one several times! What kept it off the list is that because it mirrors the MiniMoog which was almost at the creation of subtractive synthesis, several of the controls, flow and NAMES of things are not the same as you will find on common subtractive synths today.
@@ScottsSynthStuff It's funny, because that's how I've always felt about ARP synths like the Odyssey and 2600. They're usable, but quirky and unintuitive. But the signal layout on the Mini and all the details are super clear and easy. I can read a patch from the panel layout from across the room. The only real naming quirk is calling the envelope generators "Contour Generators", which is easy to figure out. I've taught synth to people on Minis and they always find it easy and intuitive. I can't say that I fully agree with you on this one.
In my experience, Yamaha MX are extremely playable. . . . Being able to play along with literally any song off the radio makes me think of the '70s synthesizers that had to be programed for only a specific part within a song.
If the refAce CS had onboard preset storage, I would have kept mine. Amazing sound but so frustrating to not have a convenient way of saving said sounds
Some of the Roland emulations (System-8, Zen-Core on Fantom, JP-X, etc) have that as an option, so if you want the hiss in the chorus, you can have it.
Hi ..People should listen hard on your advice here ..I just bought Korg modwave ..its amazing BUT BUT BUT ..its totally baffling aprt from the performance presets which are simple to use but the wave tables stump me despite loads videos on the subject ?? a wave table that is named cybals or drums or trombone ???yet non of these WT sound like these....im in over my head ...synths can be VERY complicated ...Howeevr i have to persevere now iv made my bed ....lol
Used System-8's are far cheaper than used Summits (about $500 cheaper). For a beginner, the System-8 is far more approachable than the Summit I think - no mod matrix, less complex engine. I suppose it comes down to the sound you want.
@@ScottsSynthStuff you have a good point. A "raw" mono/para (no effects, mod matrix, sequencer etc.) might be the best for learning principles, but could also be hard for a beginner to get much out of sound wise?
Thanks a lot for the video！I'm a guitarist but I also want to get into synths. I've been researching for about a month now and I'm torn between the ASM Hydrasynth and the Modal Cobalt 8. I was leaning toward the Hydrasynth but now because of the V2 update I'm leaning toward the Cobalt for a first synth. The most attractive thing to me for the Hydra is the simple user interface; however, the Cobalt seems to be able to generate more bread and butter type sounds easier. I don't have any need for crazy FM synth sounds and lazer gun type sounds. I'll probably start off by tweeking patches and presets. Any advice？
The Cobalt does have a design interface that "protects" you from doing things that don't make sense, whereas on the Hydrasynth you can easily do things that end up with NO sound coming out. But both synths can make your "bread and butter" sounds very easily without much effort. The Hydrasynth with its 32 mod matrix slots can definitely create far more complex and evolving sounds.
I need a top 10 of the top 10 reviews of the top 10 synths, there are too many, why cant some of these companies make light bulbs, ore something else? Maybe i'll just get a Korg Minilogue XD and be done with it.
I had a MX49 on my wishlist, But 2022 was a good year for me, and got a MODX6+ instead. I already have a Classic Motif 6, but it's DAW integration is just too outdated.
Piano player here, trying to get into synths. I'm going to need to watch this video a couple of times, great tips here. Had a hydrasynth deluxe, but couldn't really get completely into it, now looking for something else
I am baffled to see the Yamaha reface CS turning up in the second synths for beginners video I’m watching. I have some five months experience using software synths, and the limited possibilities of this instrument don’t appeal to me at all. I have been to the music store twice to try and make friends with this thing, but I just don’t get it. It is beyond me why you would recommend such a crude machine over a synth that has at least two oscillators and can teach you the basics of subtractive synthesis because it has all the basic features.
I hate the lack of sequencers. Clearly it's on of those "you need more expensive model for that". And yeah, you can easily get around that with a computer, or even a phone .. but still. It's 2020s. He solid stated have hard drives with terrabytes of capacity. Yet you get 64 step pattern limit. That's if you get sequencer at all.
Hey, I’m getting my chops up so that I can sit in with my brothers cover band, lots of Dead, Allmans, Phish and long jams. I’m torn between purchasing the Behringer Poly D or the Roland Gaia that is suggested in this video, please help!
For live work I'd definitely pick the GAIA, for two main reasons: - You have presets, which you can quickly select to get the desired sound for each song - You have true polyphony, so you can play chords The Poly D sounds great, but you have to dial in each sound manually, and it is paraphonic - so you can play chords, but it does so by re-tuning individual oscillators, so the sound is not going to be the "thick" sound you expect from the synth when you have oscillators playing together in mono mode, and you're limited to four notes sounding at once. The GAIA can easily do organs and classic 70's synth sounds.
It's your channel so you may do as you please of course, but personally I didn't relate to the conditions set forth, especially when you started with term "INEXPENSIVE" and then dropped 'System 8' as an opener (that's a price of JD-Xi, GAIA and MiniNova in one, or 3 Roland Boutiques). Also didn't understand what you have against FM synthesis - the other half of the 80's hits were made with it. As a beginner I want SOUNDS and couldn't care less about the sound generation method. I was a bit surprised JD-Xi was not higher in your recommendation after watching your vid on it, but then again like I said this list was a bit all too arbitrary for me, it was more of a "Here are some syths for you to consider" than anything else.
Hey Scott - Love the System 8. A great first synth if you can afford it as it covers all bases 😁 Gonna take (yet) another look at the CS as it's bene on my hit list for a while but still think it's overpriced. Speaking of which - yes, Roland stuff is ALL over-priced. They've really lost the plot and are now leaning on their past reputation.
The CS is pretty accurately priced for what it is - very high build quality, with analog modelling DSP chips inside. It was $500 when it first came out, which was definitely too expensive.
Gotta agree with Scott here -- it's a fantastic unit, and well worth the current price. Those small keys feel surprisingly solid, and the sounds are very strong. I've used one in concert (from the soundboard, not as part of the band)
I have a school of rock and currently have a Yamaha MX88. I am considering going to a 73 key device that is super user friendly since I mostly work with kids. I don't need to connect to a computer, program patches, etc.. I would even consider a vintage keyboard if it is simple to use. Any suggestions? Thank you!
Love School of Rock! My daughter was in our local one for years, and she was on the cover of their brochure for many years. :) Honestly, I would think that the MX series of Yamahas is really ideal for SoR. They're light, easy to operate, reasonably rugged, can do great pianos, EPs, organs, and pads if need be. The next size down of MX is the 61 however, so not quite the 73 you're looking for.
My keyboard players have difficulty hearing themselves over the (2 or 3) guitar players. I have a powered hot spot right beside the keyboard but it just is not enough. In ears are not practical for my situation so I am considering a keyboard amp? Thoughts? Thank you!!
Please, In your opinion, between the hydrasynth Explorer and the Modal Cobalt 5s which is a better option first synth option in your opinion? I'm a long time piano player and I don't want to buy the 'wrong one' between the two. Also, you mentioned that you can get piano sounds on the Hydrasynth Explorer? on it's own? I didn't know that. Thank you!
It really depends on what you're looking for, and your level of comfort in design. Either would work well as just a preset machine, both have good keybeds, although the Explorer keybed is polyphonic aftertouch, and is the more exceptional of the two. And yes, the Hydrasynth engine (which is a full Hydrasynth, unlike the scaled-down engine in the Cobalt 5s) can create a passable piano sound. As a piano player, you may want to consider if you want to limit yourself to the 5 notes of polyphony on the Cobalt.
Putting a $1700 synth on there puts the price range for a Fantom 0 or MoDX+ in play. Which completely negates the S8, Xi, MX49. Both synths can get complex… but they have envelope displays and any sound you need for any genre of music. 🤷🏻♂️ One could argue for the Arturia mini brute or minifreak as well. KingKorg, microkorg etc. and all that is not even counting softsynths. For a beginner a nice soft synth could be a great start and be free.
Disagree. Yes, the $1700 synth is an outlier, but a Fantom-0 or MODX is orders of magnitude more complex than a System-8, which in terms of UI, is still just an (admittedly advanced) subtractive synth. A beginner would be mystified and frustrated with a Fantom-0 or MODX, but can apply concepts of basic subtractive synthesis to operate and do sound design on a System-8 with no problem. This video is less about price and more about complexity.
High Scott... I'm an RnB producer and I won't be doing much gigging. Just recording and mixing. Ive been interested in the Deepmind12d desktop. Because it looks nice to work. But I'm new to the hardware synth world and im not really looking to make many sounds but to manipulate presets or sounds that are there more then to create from scratch. Would the Deepmind be the better synth for me? Is a rompler better for me? I'm truly not sure...
The Deemind is truly a powerful synth, particularly for its price. I've waffled over buying it a number of times. It is a true analog synth, with a plethora of powerful digital effects. Without the effects, its analog oscillators and filters are good - not great. But with the effects added on, it can really produce some spectacular sounds, and do just about anything you might need it to do.
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Are you truly a beginner? Then get a used Roland JD-Xi for $300-$400, spend 6-12 months really learning how to use it, take reasonably good care of it, then sell it for $300-$400 if you want to move on or up to something else. But don't be surprised if you never do! It's a fantastic introduction to synths, and having an excellent drum machine included puts it in a class by itself. It's a really fun machine!
It makes me happy to see the System8 get some love.
It's a great synth! Especially the native System-8 engine, sounds so good.
@@ScottsSynthStuff pretty much as close to a modern JP-8000 as you will get, in my opinion.
The funny thing is… Roland is focusing on the vintage models… but the S8 engine was better than all the plug outs. Same in the Fantom… the models just sound like a limited Zencore engine. The Zencore engine sounds amazing.
7:53 The Yamaha MX has my favorite sounding pianos I’ve ever heard! It was the first “real” keyboard I owned and I’ll never get rid of it. It’s lightweight, easy to use, and it sounds fantastic! Highly recommend.
Nice beginners guide! I definitely recommend the Minilogue XD as a great beginners synth. I taught my 4 year old boy how to sound design using it. Because of the placement of all the knobs and synth sections on the XD, he was able to memorize and understand how to use it pretty quickly.
I slammed that thumbs up button really hard when you said "I don't care if it is analog or digital..." Whether music stuff or cameras or whatever, if the tool works, use it!
I wasn't expecting the Hydra Explorer to be here, but you make a great point about how it's easy and you can start on it but at the same time you can grow into it. I have a hydra deluxe and it is super simple to use but I can find virtually infinite things I can do with it. I'm always finding something new about it and I've had a few versions of the hydra for a few years now.
Me too, I ordered the first Hydrasynth the instant it was announced, now I have the Deluxe. I can whip up a sound up on it quickly and easily in a few seconds, or spend hours diving into crazy modulation to come up with insane modulated craziness.
Really good review Scott! I like how you broke down why you chose each synth and some strengths about each one without going into too much detail. I agree with your choice of the Roland Gaia. It's underrated and a lot of fun to play. I like that there is no menu to dive. It's capable of producing great sounds and can be played on batteries alone. Thanks for the video top 10 list!
I own both #5 and #4 on this list... They are both exactly as advertised... I am learning how to 'synth' so am mostly in the 'let's explore the presets and maybe alter them a bit' stage. I cannot tell you how impressed I have been with both the Mininova and Explorer. The Nova has some great sounds and, though not mentioned by Scott, there are eight 'mod' buttons that can be used to alter sounds in real time with a quick press. For the other one, as Scott has said, the Exploerer is a synth that I feel comfortable growing into without being intimidated right out of the box. It's like, "OK, here's a Ferrari... but we're gonna set it up to drive like a Minivan till you get used to it. THEN... when you're ready... you can UNLEASH!" :)
the Deepmind is a great synth, very under rated
It has a few limitations, but sonically it's an excellent synth!
@@ScottsSynthStuff disagree. Put out the fx section and you ll see how dm12 sounds thin. It s because the lp filter actually cut the lowest frequency. Even a modal sounds fater.
@@galifettetv1238 For sure, without its extensive DSP FX, it definitely sounds thin. But they intend for the FX to be used as part of the synth.
Totally agree, great synth. The ipad app is a bonus as well! Definately one of the more 'bang for the buck' synths - even in 2022!
How is it very underrated? Everybody raves about that synth. I haven't heard a single person say a bad thing about it.
you just explained all the terminology in under 5 minutes that was incredible
Great recommendations! I especially like that you recommend poly synths. Too often beginner's think they need analog and then end up with a mono synth, because analog poly synths are generally still expensive (with the DM 12 the obvious exception, which I would probably have ranked higher). As great as mono synths can be, if you want to get a sense of accomplishment by actually creating your first track, it's so much easier with a polysynth. Having said that, as your second synth, I think you can't go wrong with one of the Behringer classic mono synth clones, esp. since you can get them for 200 bucks used.
I agree with you 100%. A good friend of mine had a son who wanted a first synthesizer, I told her what I would recommend, the salesman talked her out of my recommendation and instead sold her a Moog Matriarch(!!!) The poor kid was lost, didn't understand the concept of paraphony, couldn't use the thing to make the music he wanted to make, and today it sits collecting dust in the corner.
the dreadbox nymphes can be found 350 euros used; and it's a 6 voices analog poly with a lot of character. don't know if this works as a first synth; but I'd say it does if you already do music with software. It has limitations (mono; one osc) but I prefer that to a synth with tons of features and a boring plastic sound. I would say a lot of people buy their first synth when they already have experience with a DAW and soft synths (which should be your first stop to learn abouth synths) and want something hands on so a mono synth as a first synth makes sense.
I'd have bumped up the Behringer Deepmind 12 - it's an all round great affordable "analogue" synth for beginners. The Roland JDXi is another I thought might have been placed higher - I love it as a "can do almost everything" synth - with a decent controller keyboard attached ...
The Deepmind I placed where it was because a lot of the functions, particularly FX, require some menu diving. And no question if the JD-Xi had a reasonable keybed, I would definitely have put it higher on the list!
And the DM12 menudiving is way less complicated as most others here...
Totally agree on 1 and 2. I have and love them both. I also have the JDXi and have to ask you to put that at #3. Thanks. I look forward to your update.
I’ve had the minilogue, System 8 and Deepmind. Those would have been first on my mind for a beginner too. Also… a Prologue would be in the running.
Yes, minilogue for sure! 😎👍🏼
Which do you prefer; the deepmind or the minilogue xd?
@@rolandechosmith5526 I had the original minilogue, not the xd. I didn’t like it. I felt it sounded thin. The dm12 was much beefier. You can arrange the voices into two pairs of 6 and detune them and it sounds fat af.
Ok, first off, the System 8 is great, I loved it and it’s super fun to tweak and design sounds on. But if we are getting up to $1700… I think the Fantom 06 should be on the list. Not only does it have graphical displays of envelopes and amazing VA, but once a beginner wants to actually start making tracks, everything they need is right there.
The Fantom-06 wasn't released yet when I made this video. I have one now, but I don't know that I would say it's a great beginner synth. It's decidedly complex, enough that it could easily discourage someone new to synths.
@@ScottsSynthStuff I suppose that’s true. I probably just feel it’s intuitive and easy because I had a kronos prior 🤣
I got myself a Yamaha reface cs after staring at budget synths for months, even I can use it, great sounds, I love it so far.
The Reface CS is a fantastic little synth! I sold mine because I found I wasn't using it enough...and I REGRET it. I will likely end up buying another one.
Hey Scott, thanks for all the great content! Thanks to you and a couple other YTers I have my first synth on the way - a Gaia SH-01 from Sweetwater. Tomorrow can’t come soon enough!
That's great! The GAIA is a fantastic first synth: it is simple enough that you can get it going and learn on it, but complex enough that you can use it for years to come. I still use mine to record, just because I like the sound of it!
Love the last two options - extremely great recommendations
The Yamaha Reface stuff is really, really good. Weirdly enough, the CS was the first one I wanted, yet the only one I don’t have. I’m getting one. Anyway, I came here to say the DX is fantastic. Accessible FM. They knocked it out of the park. (I’d be remiss if I didn’t also mention the Reface CP. Off topic, not a synth, but it is my favourite keyboard instrument. Rhodes, Wurly, tiny, playable, sounds fantastic.). Reface. Excellent.
I was looking for a mid range synth and you got exactly the synths i was looking trough...my thoughts went to argon 8 or hydrasynth explorer. Not quite sure what i want. I dont think there is a better explaination on youtube that you do here. GREAT JOB!
Can't argue with the Reface CS either; I liked it so much I bought the DX and CP as well. CS makes a great add-on when you don't want/need a full-size keyboard -- or more to the point, when you want to have a synth, but don't want all the setup and space requirements.
I really like the DX, but with a MODX that has FM capabilities that blow away the Reface DX, I couldn't justify it.
@@ScottsSynthStuff - oh sure, you don't necessarily need one. But it's very handy to have as a small add-on
@@ScottsSynthStuff I have both but while I have maybe made 5 FM Sounds on the MODX, I have done more than 50 on the DX, because it is so easy and it sounds so good.
Totally agree with you about the looper on the Reface CS. I would’ve preferred an arpeggiator instead. Or, at least, a different design for the looper; a slider control is too unwieldy for looping phrases properly.
The fact that it is recording AUDIO makes it even more worthless, and yes, trying to loop a phrase with that slider is near impossible. An arpeggiator, or better yet, a MIDI looper, perhaps with quantization, would have been far better.
Good list. I started on a Roland System 1. I learned just by using it a lot and figuring out what did what. TH-cam is a great place for tutorials and tips for almost any music gear.
My next synth was a Korg Wavestate. This I would consider more in the intermediate level of synths and not for beginners. I definitely needed to watch a good bit of YT tutorials as there's certainly a learning curve. Once you understand it though it's a fantastic, powerful beast of a synth. I would say it's easily one of the top 5 synths under $1,000 USD. I love it and use it a lot.
My most recent and third synth is the powerful Hydrasynth Deluxe. I find this to be an odd hybrid of being both a great beginner synth (Explorer version if it's your first synth) AND a great intermediate to advanced synth. Once you learn how easy it is to route everything & use the mod matrix & macros the possibilities are endless. The synth can be as simple as just using the RANDOM button for everything or a complex deep dive of changing every parameter & routing. I love the HSD except for the lack of proper inputs to run external gear through it. I know you can use adapter cables and run into MOD 1 & 2 but a pair of combo jack inputs would've been nice. This is a fantastic synth and fits nice with all my other gear such as MPC Live 2, Roland MC-707 and Roland FA-07.
I like to experiment with combining gear too. It's fun to run synths through gear such as Line 6 Helix, MPC Live 2, guitar pedals, modeling amps, other synths etc.
It's a great time to be a musician with so many options for budget and skill level. The added bonus of being able to learn your gear online is great too.
I have seen quite a few beginning synthesists who were at first enticed by the sounds of the Wavestate - and then completely turned off and alienated by its interface and programming. I wouldn't in any way recommend that as a beginner synth.
I agree about the Hydrasynth - it can be quite easy to learn and use, yet it has the ability to program incredibly complex sounds once you dive into its modulation and routing capabilities.
This is a great video and covers a wide variety of great starter synthesizers, or a few synth s to seriously consider adding to your rig. I love that you tried to create a top price point of $1,000.00 but included the Roland System-8 at Now $1700 (I only paid $1499 for mine brand new when it came out). I love my System-8 for all of the reasons you mentioned in this video. I also love my Roland Gaia SH-01 for the great sound and ease of use - however, you neglected to mention that this great little synth with full sized keys is also multitimbral on 16 channels where 15 of those channels use general MIDI synth sounds. It is a great synth for folks to start with to learn synthesis on and even get into multi-tracking a]tunes when used with an external sequencer or computer. It was great to see you include the Novation as well. Though I do not have and have not used the Novation MiniNova, I do have a Novation Supernova II which I love as well for its great sound and deep multi-effects. And while I do not currently have the Korg Minilogue XD, I did have the original Minilogue which does sound great and was only $499 when I got it new. I eventually got rid of my Minilogue after I got my Roland System-8 as I was running out of physical room in my studio. I would still recommend a Korg Minilogue or Minilogue XD as they do have a great sound despite the the smaller key size. Great video! Thank you!
The Studiologic Sledge deserve a place on this list. It's a VA, with one function per button, aftertouch and full size keys. Excellent for learning subtractive synthesis.
You're 100% right, I never even thought of that one. It's an excellent, inexpensive VA.
It is close to running out, but still available in a few shops and not actually ran out yet! Interested ones should concider the black or the normal, yellow, edition!🙂
Great list. I have owned 5 of the synths on your list. Still have the Deepmind and recently bought a Hydrasynth Explorer. Upgraded from a Minilogue XD to a Prologue. Each has played a role in developing my understanding and ability around sound design. You nailed the pros and cons of all the ones I have experienced and have fondness for the ones I have moved on from: XD, JDXI and MX49.
I have a soft spot for the MX, I had a (blue) MX61. It was a great instrument.
How do you like the keybed on the HS Explorer? I tried one at Sweetwater, and found the travel a bit small. I'm not a tremendous fan of mini keys, that might have tainted my opinion some however.
@@ScottsSynthStuff I know what you mean about the MX. It was my first real synth and got me hooked on all the possible sounds. I didn't really have a clue about sound design then (still learning). I know what you mean about the Explorer. I love the synth but the keys can be a bit tricky. Right now I work mainly on a Prologue 8, which is great for immediacy and direct learning feedback. The Explorer needs me to be more patient and keep learning to get to its full potential.
Great video. Thank you! I watched your review of the Yamaha Reface CS before this one. I just purchased one and I think it is going to be ideal for composing/arranging/noodling while drinking coffee in the morning or for mid-day 'lounging' inspiration. I have other synths for actual 'work', but I wanted something portable and detached for creating/evolving ideas. I think that is this synth's strong point. Cheers!
ABOUT THE ROLAND GAIA: When I was at Sweetwater University, Daniel Fisher (instructor synth genius) asked the entire class to yell out ANY sound or ANY song. He was able to flawlessly create ALL of them within 20-30 seconds. From crickets to RUSH to the WHO to creaking doors and on and on. AMAZING!
Daniel fisher is a G. We shouldn't call Andrew tate top G, we should call Daniel that. Hahaha
But really, he really knows what he's doing.
Gaia is one of a kind, never has a 3 layer synth with all surface controls been manufactured before or since. The Gaia2 is nothing at all like the Gaia, it is a conventional synth like all the others.
Greatly enjoying your content. Very well explained/detailed, but also quite relatable and approachable.
Thanks Will, that's very kind!
I'm just the customer for this video. I loved your set of criteria : that's EXACTLY what I was trying to navigate with. THANKS !
Well explained and a good orientation for beginners!
Here are my comments:
- For me, all the mentioned synths, except the MX 49, sound more interisting (I tested and owned or own all) than the Gaia and Reface CS.
-It would pay out to purchase one of the ancestors of the MX 49, a CS2x or an ANX (CS1x even cheaper): You might get that cheaper and more real time knobs. Even their bigger brother the CS6x has its price dropped a lot the last years - check it out!
-There ist no need to pay 100 € more for a minilogue XD. I would recommend the normal minilogue.
- Same ist true for the System 8: The System 1 can do a lot and is more in the pricerange for beginners (Less than half price, but mini keys).
-A used Ultranova could be cheaper than a Mininova and has a better keybed and a better haptic. But after its facelift, the Mininova is very fine (I have one, but thought during the buying process about an Ultranova too).
-I see no difference in the keybed of the Mininova and the JDxi. The keybed of the reface series ist better indeed.
- I prefer the Cobalt before the Argon.
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Very nice logical list!
I had some of the cheaper keyboards: Yamaha MX49, Roland JDXI and a few that would also fit in the list (Roland Go Keys, Korg Triton Tactile, Yamaha SY22 and CS1X, Korg microKorg, M-Audio Venom, E-Mu Shortboard and another few others)
I sold them all again! I'm just sorry about the Yamaha MX49, it's really fantastic!
But unfortunately it was too big for me and unfortunately it can't be operated with batteries, which is very important to me! The two Korgs were terrible!
Poor workmanship and boring sounds!
Now I'm buying a Novation Mininova and hope it's the right one!
I also made videos about most of them, unfortunately only in German 😉
Thank you for your many great videos! They give good and honest tips and information 👍❤️
Great to see the Cobalt8 in this list. Agree with the Reverb downfall not being stereo.
Hi! You get stereo reverb and a lot of other stuff with v2 update
Cool stuff, I got a MX49, Gaia, Cobalt8 and Mininova.
Just my 50 ct... Go for a second hand system 8, around 1000 1100. Beginner synths, do they exist? The system 8 you have three synths, a good layout with the main features which al return in almost every synth if its for learning, posibility of layering sounds, quite allround. While I have cheaper synths, and I am very happy with them to, just save a little more money and keep looking for good deals. I like it actually you started with the system 8, a lot of these videos stat with cheaper options, but they most times end up in a collection of synths, and cheaper smaller doesn´t mean less useful, but my tkae is that you want your first synth a thing that can grow with you. And to many videos always start for beginners with synths around 400 euros. Take for instance the JDXI, a great beatbox synth, but then, lots of menu diving compared to the system 8. And one of my last synth bought was the novation summit, new but strong reduced price. Okay, save a little more, but these synths are surely synths that last a while in terms of not outgroing them. And yes, I have great monophonic synths, but first synth, start with a polyphonic one....my main advice, just save, don´t be afraid starting with a more expensive synth you don´t outgrow. thumbs up for the video..
I should have talked about buying used, that's a good point. The System-8 can get complex if you dive into it like I mention, but it's a really great synth for learning synthesis on I think, for all the reasons you state. And it will definitely grow with you!
@@ScottsSynthStuff if I look at my own road it's my idea that an hardware synth contributes not really soundwise. Honestly I own beautiful vst synths and a perfect controller for vst synths. But having a hardware synth, and I own severa,l it changed the way I think of my compositions. Honestly I own some highly rated analog synths, but in fact, they're clumsy compared to vst. And because of this, the recording, mixing proces changes and so did my use of vst synths. The "problem", I think many start out with vst synths, but many times you'll get stuck in merely programming a song, from midi to sound. When using HW synths that is cut away, while more clumsy it opens creativity, and that same creativity returns when working with vst synths...it's a little my take on HW synths, and beside that.. love it, addicting. So that's why I think that if you want to buy your first synth save a little more, go for a synth that you don't outgrow fast. And honestly, it normally doesn't stay with one synth. These machines are such a creativity boosts! Have a nice weekend!
Hi Scot, the Beringer Deepmind is a great synth but the menu diving is sometimes frustrating. Okay, much better than the Rolan JD-Xi menues. But the feature for me was the buildquality and the full size keys in the small Deemind 6 version with aftertouch. When you want a small analog Synth with full size keys, check out the Deppmind 6.
Because of mostly time and space constraints, I'm not going to buy anything just yet, but I'd love to, so at least I'm watching some videos and stick with my digital piano :) But I'd take the number one only for free :) I don't want anything that even looks as a toy or is very retro and I also much dislike the feeling I'm very limited. I think I'd be deciding between the DeepMind 12, HydraSynth or the Cobalt8.
For its price point, I think the Reface CS is a killer bargain. It does have a large sound palette, but it has a few programming quirks. Only one envelope with a filter/amp slider is a bit unorthodox, and the osc section is very versitile but also a little uncommon. In order to get basic oscillator concepts out of it, you use the texture and mod slider. So if you want a sub oscillator, it's dependent on using the correct wave form type, and the texture and mod sliders to bring the sub volume in. If you use a different oscillator type, you won't have a sub oscillator option at all. Flexible, yes, but using it to learn sound design, it does not have a feature set that allows transfer of the knowledge to another synth as easily as the minilogue. Also a drawback is there are no onboard memories, so a beginner either has to do without them, or use an outboard app to save and recall sounds. Don't get me wrong I love mine and use it a lot. I'd for sure recommend it for it's price, but not as much for learning synth programming/sound design.
I did a full review on the CS here: th-cam.com/video/sQI4bn0jBJs/w-d-xo.html
I agree about most of your points. It can save and retrieve patches to the Yamaha SoundMondo web site, so you can use that for patch storage and retrieval - that's what I ended up doing.
nymphes and the soon to be release PRO-800 are gonna be really interesting as a super affordable desktop analog poly. (also the minifreak probably deserves a place here; but maybe it wasn't released yet at the time of making the video?)
Correct, this video predates the Minifreak. Once NAMM is over, I'll update this video, as I'm sure if I were to do it now it would be out of date after NAMM. :)
Appreciate all of the work you did for this video, my only gripe is that these synths aren't necessarily cheap. Cheap for the average is probably $300-500 for one piece of equipment which you only had 1 within this price range. The Arturia MicroFreak is probably up the alley of what most people who watched this video came for 💯
It really depends. You'd be surprised at the number of people who are coming into this and spending $1000 on their first synth....and more!
@@ScottsSynthStuff I wouldn't doubt they do exist but, budget will never be $1,000 off rip lol
It really is not that complicated for a beginner synth. We are staying in the realm of subtractive for beginners.
1) Must have no menu and all the surface controls can be viewed 100% of the time to know the status of the synth. Encoders are not good.
2) Must be polyphonic and enough polyphony to play chords and melody, two handed playing for learning keyboard skills. And poly for sound designing for more than melody one note playing.
3) Must have full sized keys, you never would start a beginner on anything but the standard of all keyboards from synth to 9 foot Steinway D, again skills.
4) There should be enough keys for two handed playing with 61 being the minimum.
So what is out there that could fulfil this list?
1) Roland System8
2) Studiologic Sledge
3) Sequential Prophet Rev2 08
That is all there is under $2000
Alternatives
3) Korg Minilogue with a 61 key controller.
That is about it.
Behringer UB-Xa. It does have some menu for the arcane functions - but then so do the System-8 and the Sledge.
I forgot about Behringer's new synth, I don't know if you can buy one yet, I think you have to get in line. @@ScottsSynthStuff
With the MX49 and JD-XI there are programs available on the PC that give you full access to the hardware and turns them both into true synthesizers.
The programs don't give the synths any new capabilities that they didn't already come with - it just makes it easier to manipulate the parameters within them.
@@ScottsSynthStuff not true. The MX software allows additional voices to be layered. The JDXI gives full access to ADSR individually instead of a combo knob.
It's a pity Roland doesn't sell the System-1 anymore. That would have been a good cheaper alternative to the System-8.
It was quite a bit more limited - with less BMC chips in it, it was not capable of running a lot of the plugout synths that the System-8 can run.
Hi Scott, i actually have 3 of the listed synths. The mininova, deepmind 12D, and the Cobalt 8M. What did i miss? the roland Boutique series. Those little Roland beasts make some real good sounds too. Otherwise, i loved the review and i hope we will get more interesting topics like this in the future. Greetings from Belgium. Cheers ( i know you can't add everything in a top 10, but i find the Boutique series worth to mention)
The Boutique series are neat little synths, and they definitely serve a niche. Particularly on the simpler subtractive versions - the JU-06 and so on. Problem is, they're all limited run - they make them for a short while, then they stop, and the prices of the used ones skyrocket!
YO THE M HIT THE CORNER IN #3 😂 great vid btw tysm for making this 🙏
Minilogue should be at or near the top. Microkorg S should be alongside the CS (do you want simple/no internal settings, or more depth/complexity and internal settings).
… come to think of it, what do you have against Korg … ?!?!! 😜
Nothing at all, I love Korg! I have three Korgs now, one more on its way, and the first synth I ever bought (in 1987!) was a PolySix.
@@ScottsSynthStuff I was joking (😜) … they just seemed like very glaring omissions!! And Rational Youth even had a MicroKorg on stage, right next to their MiniNova! 😊 I’d say the MicroKorg has better classic/VA sounds, and the MiniNova is brighter/more EDM & electronica. MiniNova has a clearer vocoder, but I actually prefer the dirtier vibe of the MicroKorg’s (I have an MS2000B that I similarly like for ‘vocoding’).
My picks would be (K)ARP Odyssey or KingKorg. One analog paraphonic, the other multitimbral and polyfonic VA. Under €500 used.
If you're putting something as expensive as a Roland System 8 in there, and you debated whether to put a Hydrasynth Explorer in there, why not forego the Explorer, and just put a Hydrasynth in your list? Yes, its also at the upper range of the beginner price bracket, but more knob-per-function, ribbon, etc. and something you can really grow into.
Not a pro / I know nothing / just my 2c 😅
Good point.
OK, that´s all new or kinda new stuff. As an "old" keyboardist I just kept my old stuff as the new synths are not so superior that I feel forced to buy new stuff. Furthermore I have 4 models of each synth as I hate to read the manuals and get used to the handling of numerous synths. So for an analog synth I have four Oberheim Xpanders. For wavetable four Waldorf Microwaves II, for sampling four Roland S-760 and for any digital emulation I use four V-Machines (plus there are 4 digital piano modules, for rompling I have 4 Roland XV.5080 and for Hammond sound I have a real C3 and 3 Voce V5+)
Why four? Well, one for my studio, and one for each setup of my live-gear).
So I think you forgot to mention old synths that could be purchased at decent price points - ok, not the Xpander.
It is true, but older synths do come with their helping of problems. As someone who fixes & restores old synths, it's not all that common that you find an older used synth for sale with NO problems whatsoever. :)
The MiniNova has the same sound engine as the Ultranova.
Great video! Which I'm more of chasing a nostalgic sound so for me the Roland Botique and Yamaha Reface series can't really be beat. As while they have a tweaked sound from the orginals it fits better with what I am creating... But of your list that Hydrosnyth sounds really good as an midi interface and snyth.
100%, the Hydrasynth will do everything the Boutique and Reface series synths can do, and much, much more.
@@ScottsSynthStuff Good point and I could use the hydrasmth with the roland cloud plug ins instead of a botique... That does seem like a good way to get me started thanks!
In considering the system-8, I think it's fair to regard it as *four* synths in one, and therefore about $400 per synth. That's how I thought of it, anyway
For sure, and it's THE cheapest way to get the most accurate Jupiter-8 emulation available. I know people who have bought two of them, loading different plugouts into the second one.
Hey! Thanks for all the vids you do! You are so dedicated and passionnate about synths! My first synth was a DM-12 desktop that I used with a Roland RD2000 in the fifth layer slot, still love it. 2nd synth was the ASM Hydrasynth 49 keys and rapidly I added the Novation Summit. My last acquisition is Hydrasynth Deluxe. Summit sounds so great, Hydrasynth polyphony is wonderful and the dual engine makes it exceptionnal. I still have a lot to learn with every piece of gear. Also a lot to learn with DAW functionality too. Cobalt 8X seems nice... I do think I have enough to work on... But temptation is great! ;-) What do you think?
As you know, I also have the Summit and Hydrasynth Deluxe. I wouldn't have bought the Cobalt8x if it didn't bring something new and unique to the sonic stage, which it definitely does. I say, go for it!
Wow you just named a lot of the gear that I have and have been interested in, curious to pick your brain a little bit! I also have an RD-2000 that I hold onto for practicing real piano and because the keybed is just the most wonderful experience ever. However, the gigging band I’m in has less and less need for piano and organ sounds so I decided to switch to synthesizers full-time. Was about to buy a DM12 but found a good deal on the Hydrasynth 49-key and I don’t regret that at all. I love my hydrasynth deeply and am considering upgrading to the deluxe for the longer keybed and multitimbrality so that I can more seamlessly switch between two patches during live play.
My one complaint about the HS though is the huuuge travel of the keybed. Anytime I do fire up my RD-2000 I find I can just fly on that thing in a way that the HS doesn’t allow me to (maybe I’m just not used to it yet and I know that synth keybeds are a different beast). So anyway I found a good deal on a Summit and am considering basically selling the Roland to buy that and either keeping the HS or possibly downsizing to the explorer (could never part with the HS and love the idea of portability and battery power if the Summit becomes my main board). I briefly got to demo the Summit and enjoyed the shorter travel, could play faster than on the HS for sure, but wasn’t as blown away by the sound engine or keybed as I was hoping. I think both of these could be due to feeling rushed and not being quite used to them yet.
So anyway, I’m rambling, my question is: with three seemingly very different keybeds, do you relate to my opinions of them and what would you recommend between the Summit and HS Deluxe (I’ve heard they slightly altered the keybed on the Deluxe but don’t have an opportunity to demo one unfortunately), both in terms of keybed and sound engine (this will be my main/possibly only synth and I do enjoy deep sound design, but play in a post-punk-experimental-noise band).
I hope you see this and can weigh in, I’ve been dying to hear the perspective of someone with the experience that it seems you have. Thank you so much!
@@tylerborn7345 Hi! Your stage piano is solid, durable RD2000 with an excellent keybed and 8 ZONES to be a Master Keyboard and control whatever you want with 2 midi out. I will keep it for sure and go for a desktop PEAK and/or a desktop DM-12. Keep your HS 49 for the polyafter touch (but add an additionnal control over it with the RD2000. You will have multitimbrality with the addition of other synths . Have the BPM clock sent by the RD2000. Many possibilities with the RD2000 to program scenes and have control over midi of ALL YOUR SYNTHS and also virtual instruments. You can start all of them at once all in sync. Or choose which one at the touch of a button! Even start an arpeggio or a patch, Latch On and let it go, then start playing with the other synths without altering the arpeggio. It's what I do. You can tweak your sound on your desktop while playing another synth on the RD2000... So many possibilities. Money seems to be an issue, then keep in mind that RD2000 is a great value. There will be plenty of newer synths in the future to choose from.
My first synth was bought at radio shack. The MG-1. Im old
I remember going into the store as a kid and playing it!
Thank you very much.
I've watched this video more times than I want to admit. Well done, very useful and informative. I'm currently looking into the MX49 and it just blows my mind how much value is in that keyboard for the money. Do you have an experience with the novation circuit tracks? I'm really curious what a circuit tracks could do with a MX49 as the sound module and controlled via MIDI from the tracks.
For sure! The MX49 is a bargain for the breadth of sounds it contains, and it will work either as a sound module to be controlled by a Circuit Tracks, or as a controller to play sounds/samples in the Circuit Tracks...or both!
Hey Scott, here is a new suggestion : the ASM Hydrasynth. Do you plan to make a video on it ?
100%, it's definitely coming up. I LOVE my Hydrasynth!
Keep making videos🧡
Thanks for the video. I've been thinking about getting the full ASM Hydrasynth Deluxe. I want a full size synth keyboard, I love the fact that it has poly aftertouch. On top of that, it seems like I would never grow tired of it's sonic capabilities, except that I can't load my own waveforms. This would be my first synth in 20 years and I consider myself a novice. Would I be making a mistake?
Definitely not. I don't think you could outgrow it, it can do just about everything, and like you said, the keybed is spectacular. I love mine!
Recommending System 8 and refusing to consider FM synths is strange. Opsix can easily do your "oscillators through a filter" subtractive stuff. Actually if one owns Ableton Standard or higher one of the best learning synths that they already have is Ableton's Operator.
I got the Roland Gaia as my first synth. It was around $500 and I could not deal with a synth that did not have a full size keys.
Me too. I really dislike mini keys (at least my fingers do).
I've coaxed some amazing sounds out of the Gaia. It's unbelievably versatile.
Love your videos and this on is awesome, and just what I needed! I'm still undecided though! About $400 is my limit, for a first synth. I don't mind used. I want a 37-mini-key model (so it fits on my desk) and with a decent looper and sequencer. I'm more interested in creating unique sound effects as well as having access to good quality instrument voices for regular playing. Good built-in effects (including long delays) are important to me. I'm thinking about Minifreak, Mininova, JD-Xi, Minilogue XD or Cobalt 8...
What I am disappointed with synths these days is the lack of multi-timberality. My kids Yamaha Psr-e473 is six part multi-timberal, comes with two DSP effects and global reverb and chorus for $375. I know its not a synth but c'mon surely things that cost five times can't do this?
I think part of it comes from the relentless drive to emulate analog synths of yesterday, which were definitely not multitimbral. Workstations like the MODX, Montage, Fantom, Nautilus, etc. still have multitimbrality, but it's just not part of the virtual analog world. For those that do (Hydrasynth Deluxe, System-8, Summit) they are bitimbral, which again emulates the Jupiter-8's of old.
always enjoy your cobyate work scott but you just introduced me to 9? more!
Synths?🛩✈️🛸🛸
🙃much love bro. if i may pick yr brain a bit mo', are those behinger electronic drmkits fair enough
all round. 🫧thanks
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Seems like a really thoughtful video but i wouldve really appreciated if you demonstrated each synth so i can at least know what it sounds like, dont think ill finish this video because of that tbh which is a shame because you seem like you really know your stuff
I really like synth sounds of music, TV, movies from 70s/80s, what would be a beginner synth for these sounds? Been looking at Beringer retro synths, Monopoly, Poly D and Odyssey
Hello Scott, my name is Ace Bizerk and I own the A-Pro 300, JD-Xi, and MC-707. I have watched your videos and thank you for making them. I felt like since I have these same devices that it would be good to reach out and say hello. There are some areas that I could use some advice on like mapping the A-Pro for the MC-707. Embarrassing as it is I could also use some help setting up the initial parameters for using RPN/NRPN messeges. Somehow I still do not have a good understanding of how to set the null controllers and utilizing these types of MIDI messeges. I got some of the maps for the JD-XI off of the Roland Clan Forum that have Sysex messages. RPN'S are not mapped but described which ones work with the JD-Xi. However, since I don't know how to set up RPN's I have not been able to use them. This I am really wanting to figure out so I can make maps for the MC-707 which seems to have much smaller midi implementation Rx parameters. Thank you so much for your time and all the help you have already provided. Aaron (Ace Bizerk, ZoomFutureProductions, and Glass Pane Studio)
I think you don't say enough that the Minilogue XD 3rd osc is basically open source. So yeah, some people sell these, many others give them for free, and there is and virtually endless source of interessting noises.
Now if you sequence things (no idea why keyboard is a criteria here), Roland JU-06A is cheap, 6 voices virtual analog, doesn't take any space. It's great.
Thanks you Scott. In the Deepmind 12 don't forget the powerful modulation matrix.
And I would add the Studiologic Sledge in the list. It's a powerful VA with all capabilities (3 Vco, 3 LFO, a Multi VCF, wavetables, Fm, synchro,....). It is really relevant for beginners all knobs and buttons are on the panel.
Excellent suggestion in the Sledge! It's really quite inexpensive for what it is as well! Plus they look cool. :)
The list could have so many in there. It’s a great time to be a synthesist with so much choice. I’ve been into synths since the late 70s and although I’m hopeless at it I still love them and have a few older ones. The first synth I ever tried was an ARP 2600 😂😂. Needless to say I couldn’t get anywhere with it.
love it. thanks for sharing
@Scott what is the best synth pair?
Have you done a video like that?
One for all bass sounds, one for all leads I guess.
I would add the Behrenger Poly-D. It's only 4 voices and it's not a true poly synth, so if you're looking for that, than its not ideal. But it's based on the MiniMoog, and there are no menus or presets, so it's the most basic and easiest synth in the World to learn on. And all of the classic MiniMoog sounds like leads and basses are right there for you. A real MiniMoog is 5 times as much money (and monophonic), so it's a huge bargain. In terms of playability and hands-on control, nothing can touch it. I own one, and love it. Not for everyone, but if you learn subtractive synthesis on this, than you'll really get it.
I really considered that one for this list. I've also ALMOST bought one several times! What kept it off the list is that because it mirrors the MiniMoog which was almost at the creation of subtractive synthesis, several of the controls, flow and NAMES of things are not the same as you will find on common subtractive synths today.
@@ScottsSynthStuff It's funny, because that's how I've always felt about ARP synths like the Odyssey and 2600. They're usable, but quirky and unintuitive. But the signal layout on the Mini and all the details are super clear and easy. I can read a patch from the panel layout from across the room. The only real naming quirk is calling the envelope generators "Contour Generators", which is easy to figure out. I've taught synth to people on Minis and they always find it easy and intuitive. I can't say that I fully agree with you on this one.
In my experience, Yamaha MX are extremely playable. . . . Being able to play along with literally any song off the radio makes me think of the '70s synthesizers that had to be programed for only a specific part within a song.
For me, the number 1 is the DM12
If the refAce CS had onboard preset storage, I would have kept mine. Amazing sound but so frustrating to not have a convenient way of saving said sounds
I agree, and it certainly has the ability - because you can plug it into your computer or tablet and use SoundMondo to store and retrieve presets.
Hi Scott this 2024 what you think about beginners synth?
Yeah, I guess it's time to update this list. I'll put it on my "videos to make" list
@@ScottsSynthStuff Thank you bro !!
I like the fact today’s digital analogue synths don’t have the hiss found on the Juno 60 chorus
Some of the Roland emulations (System-8, Zen-Core on Fantom, JP-X, etc) have that as an option, so if you want the hiss in the chorus, you can have it.
Hi ..People should listen hard on your advice here ..I just bought Korg modwave ..its amazing BUT BUT BUT ..its totally baffling aprt from the performance presets which are simple to use but the wave tables stump me despite loads videos on the subject ?? a wave table that is named cybals or drums or trombone ???yet non of these WT sound like these....im in over my head ...synths can be VERY complicated ...Howeevr i have to persevere now iv made my bed ....lol
If spending System 8 money (unwise on a 1st/learner synth?) a used Summit or rev2 is a MUCH better choice IMHO or the deluxe Hydrasynth.
Used System-8's are far cheaper than used Summits (about $500 cheaper). For a beginner, the System-8 is far more approachable than the Summit I think - no mod matrix, less complex engine. I suppose it comes down to the sound you want.
@@ScottsSynthStuff you have a good point. A "raw" mono/para (no effects, mod matrix, sequencer etc.) might be the best for learning principles, but could also be hard for a beginner to get much out of sound wise?
Well damn I'm a beginner and I bought a Fantom 6. I've got some learning to do.
Thanks a lot for the video！I'm a guitarist but I also want to get into synths. I've been researching for about a month now and I'm torn between the ASM Hydrasynth and the Modal Cobalt 8. I was leaning toward the Hydrasynth but now because of the V2 update I'm leaning toward the Cobalt for a first synth. The most attractive thing to me for the Hydra is the simple user interface; however, the Cobalt seems to be able to generate more bread and butter type sounds easier. I don't have any need for crazy FM synth sounds and lazer gun type sounds. I'll probably start off by tweeking patches and presets. Any advice？
The Cobalt does have a design interface that "protects" you from doing things that don't make sense, whereas on the Hydrasynth you can easily do things that end up with NO sound coming out. But both synths can make your "bread and butter" sounds very easily without much effort. The Hydrasynth with its 32 mod matrix slots can definitely create far more complex and evolving sounds.
I need a top 10 of the top 10 reviews of the top 10 synths, there are too many, why cant some of these companies make light bulbs, ore something else? Maybe i'll just get a Korg Minilogue XD and be done with it.
I would have included the microKorg. It's only the best selling synth ever.
I had a MX49 on my wishlist, But 2022 was a good year for me, and got a MODX6+ instead. I already have a Classic Motif 6, but it's DAW integration is just too outdated.
Good choice, while the MX is a great keyboard, the MODX is infinitely more capable. I only wish they made it in blue! :)
@@ScottsSynthStuff I was wishing they made it in white.
Piano player here, trying to get into synths.
I'm going to need to watch this video a couple of times, great tips here.
Had a hydrasynth deluxe, but couldn't really get completely into it, now looking for something else
I am baffled to see the Yamaha reface CS turning up in the second synths for beginners video I’m watching.
I have some five months experience using software synths, and the limited possibilities of this instrument don’t appeal to me at all.
I have been to the music store twice to try and make friends with this thing, but I just don’t get it.
It is beyond me why you would recommend such a crude machine over a synth that has at least two oscillators and can teach you the basics of subtractive synthesis because it has all the basic features.
Nice list but missed the Behringer PolyD, and Odyssey ;-)
Thank you for the very helpful video! I was just wondering what you think of the Korg prologue as a first synth?
I hate the lack of sequencers. Clearly it's on of those "you need more expensive model for that". And yeah, you can easily get around that with a computer, or even a phone .. but still. It's 2020s. He solid stated have hard drives with terrabytes of capacity. Yet you get 64 step pattern limit. That's if you get sequencer at all.
Hey, I’m getting my chops up so that I can sit in with my brothers cover band, lots of Dead, Allmans, Phish and long jams. I’m torn between purchasing the Behringer Poly D or the Roland Gaia that is suggested in this video, please help!
For live work I'd definitely pick the GAIA, for two main reasons:
- You have presets, which you can quickly select to get the desired sound for each song
- You have true polyphony, so you can play chords
The Poly D sounds great, but you have to dial in each sound manually, and it is paraphonic - so you can play chords, but it does so by re-tuning individual oscillators, so the sound is not going to be the "thick" sound you expect from the synth when you have oscillators playing together in mono mode, and you're limited to four notes sounding at once.
The GAIA can easily do organs and classic 70's synth sounds.
Thanks so much Scott, now I just have to practice, practice, practice. I’m enjoying your videos, glad I found your channel 🤙
Helpful video！how about Korg volca？
It's your channel so you may do as you please of course, but personally I didn't relate to the conditions set forth, especially when you started with term "INEXPENSIVE" and then dropped 'System 8' as an opener (that's a price of JD-Xi, GAIA and MiniNova in one, or 3 Roland Boutiques). Also didn't understand what you have against FM synthesis - the other half of the 80's hits were made with it. As a beginner I want SOUNDS and couldn't care less about the sound generation method.
I was a bit surprised JD-Xi was not higher in your recommendation after watching your vid on it, but then again like I said this list was a bit all too arbitrary for me, it was more of a "Here are some syths for you to consider" than anything else.
Hey Scott - Love the System 8. A great first synth if you can afford it as it covers all bases 😁 Gonna take (yet) another look at the CS as it's bene on my hit list for a while but still think it's overpriced. Speaking of which - yes, Roland stuff is ALL over-priced. They've really lost the plot and are now leaning on their past reputation.
The CS is pretty accurately priced for what it is - very high build quality, with analog modelling DSP chips inside. It was $500 when it first came out, which was definitely too expensive.
Gotta agree with Scott here -- it's a fantastic unit, and well worth the current price. Those small keys feel surprisingly solid, and the sounds are very strong. I've used one in concert (from the soundboard, not as part of the band)
@@ScottsSynthStuff 'Expensive' is relative, of course 😁 In the UK some shops still want £399 ($520). Best price is around $440 equivalent. Hmm... 😁
@@Jobotubular Thanks, very helpful. Might see if my local, friendly music store has one 👍
[Edit] Nope, it's on a 3-month back order...
@@IanWaugh -- seems that's true everywhere -- just did a quick check. Might have to wait until the chip shortage is ended ...
I need a desktop synth list never a fan of built In keyboards 🎹 on my synths
I have a school of rock and currently have a Yamaha MX88. I am considering going to a 73 key device that is super user friendly since I mostly work with kids. I don't need to connect to a computer, program patches, etc.. I would even consider a vintage keyboard if it is simple to use. Any suggestions? Thank you!
Love School of Rock! My daughter was in our local one for years, and she was on the cover of their brochure for many years. :)
Honestly, I would think that the MX series of Yamahas is really ideal for SoR. They're light, easy to operate, reasonably rugged, can do great pianos, EPs, organs, and pads if need be. The next size down of MX is the 61 however, so not quite the 73 you're looking for.
@@ScottsSynthStuff Thank you for the feedback!!
My keyboard players have difficulty hearing themselves over the (2 or 3) guitar players. I have a powered hot spot right beside the keyboard but it just is not enough. In ears are not practical for my situation so I am considering a keyboard amp? Thoughts? Thank you!!
Please, In your opinion, between the hydrasynth Explorer and the Modal Cobalt 5s which is a better option first synth option in your opinion?
I'm a long time piano player and I don't want to buy the 'wrong one' between the two.
Also, you mentioned that you can get piano sounds on the Hydrasynth Explorer? on it's own? I didn't know that.
Thank you!
It really depends on what you're looking for, and your level of comfort in design. Either would work well as just a preset machine, both have good keybeds, although the Explorer keybed is polyphonic aftertouch, and is the more exceptional of the two. And yes, the Hydrasynth engine (which is a full Hydrasynth, unlike the scaled-down engine in the Cobalt 5s) can create a passable piano sound. As a piano player, you may want to consider if you want to limit yourself to the 5 notes of polyphony on the Cobalt.
A helpful review... unfortunately, it looks like a beginner can't do so well for under $600, and is likely to have to spend more, correct?
Putting a $1700 synth on there puts the price range for a Fantom 0 or MoDX+ in play. Which completely negates the S8, Xi, MX49. Both synths can get complex… but they have envelope displays and any sound you need for any genre of music. 🤷🏻♂️ One could argue for the Arturia mini brute or minifreak as well. KingKorg, microkorg etc. and all that is not even counting softsynths. For a beginner a nice soft synth could be a great start and be free.
Disagree. Yes, the $1700 synth is an outlier, but a Fantom-0 or MODX is orders of magnitude more complex than a System-8, which in terms of UI, is still just an (admittedly advanced) subtractive synth. A beginner would be mystified and frustrated with a Fantom-0 or MODX, but can apply concepts of basic subtractive synthesis to operate and do sound design on a System-8 with no problem. This video is less about price and more about complexity.
High Scott... I'm an RnB producer and I won't be doing much gigging. Just recording and mixing. Ive been interested in the Deepmind12d desktop. Because it looks nice to work. But I'm new to the hardware synth world and im not really looking to make many sounds but to manipulate presets or sounds that are there more then to create from scratch. Would the Deepmind be the better synth for me? Is a rompler better for me? I'm truly not sure...
The Deemind is truly a powerful synth, particularly for its price. I've waffled over buying it a number of times. It is a true analog synth, with a plethora of powerful digital effects. Without the effects, its analog oscillators and filters are good - not great. But with the effects added on, it can really produce some spectacular sounds, and do just about anything you might need it to do.
@@ScottsSynthStuff would you recommend it over the Novation Peak? Or anything you would recommend over the Deepmind12 with great sounds?