GY6 Taida 171CC big bore install / No need to remove engine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- Hope gets her Gy6 171cc Taida engine installed. I thought I might need to remove the entire engine, but this proved not to be the case. Was a fun little project, looking forward to seeing the difference in power. Stay tuned for the break-in period I might do a little motovloging.
Shoutouts:
Daniel Martin: • GY6 150cc Taida 61mm B...
Forum: www.dansgaragetalk.com/
Parts:
A14 Camshaft: amzn.to/2tGFLNv
Glixal Cylinder Head: amzn.to/2NaMk32
Exhaust/Intake studs: amzn.to/2tMgpgt
Tekton Ratchet: amzn.to/2yWwnKM
Hey guys for anyone who watches this video I made a big error starting at 7:30, putting the chain guide in upside down. After 450 miles into break-in on this engine a metal shard flew off the guide and blew my head. Please don't make the same mistake could have been a lot worse. Black plastic side faces up.
@@NCYSTORE Oh yeah, I know Glixal isn't the best thing for my build but this all started out as a budget build. (Chinese bike and all) I just knew if I wanted any longevity I had to get a Taiwanese engine. Went with the Taida only because the piston rings were already installed, or I would be rocking the NCY 61mm.
@@NCYSTORE I will definitely be checking out the website tomorrow and will be looking up your affiliate program. Thank you for contacting me, it has been an honor speaking with you, and I really appreciate the kind words about my work. This winter, I'm working on branding across multiple platforms. Definitely going with all NCY products on my next build!
Kachi's Kid finally admitting a failure... rather than me pointing them out lol. U remind me of myself on year 1 with my first TaoTao.
@@HDMotorProduction Bro please! Not a failure it was a small mistake! #Howareyournumbers
uh it was @5:30 timing chain guide is definitely upside down. cams down @7:30 is correct
Most concise and best narrative for this procedure on the Tube. Thanks
Wow, thanks!
I am installing the 61mm piston this weekend as well as a couple other parts and probably porting the head. Thanks for the rad video. I will try to get a video of my work as well!
Sounds great pac, looking forward to see it. Your going to really like the improvement over the 57.4mm. Is it possible to show us how to port the head?
Absolutely! I definitely planned on it! I know I will get hate from some people on my porting cause I do all my work full ghetto garage but I dont care hahaha.
A little advice on this youtube thing....don't worry what haters say! All of us are working out of ghetto garages...lol.
Hahaha thanks man. I do what I can with what I have available and at the end of the day it works.
I installed the radiator a performance clutch and the man what is there for to take off now it's all boy I love it
I k now, big difference.
Nice vid, keep up the good work! Now to see the numbers compared to stock.
Brother I will tell you right now, she feels so much more powerful now. I still have to install the hp variator, belt, and clutch. Taking it easy right now, but she should do 60 easily.
Nice video as always my bro ...😁👍
Thanks bro.
Nice work my friend 🌟 I got new quantum 150 tour & when I ordered, thought it was going to have the digital instrumentation 😐 LOL ! Seems they recalled in 2015ish . But not a deal breaker with analog & after break-In, mod -time 🤔 LOL already shopping for parts . Dope vids & scoot 🔥🔥 appreciate all the information . Salute 😎
Thank you my friend, really appreciate the kind words. Yeah the Quantum is a good looking bike, as it was my 1st choice, but you couldn't get it from Amazon at the time of my purchase. I like those leds running down your front lights. Good luck with your new bike. I'll be here if you ever need anything.
@@kachiskid same here brother & I'm in Ohio & actually have a friend that has a quantum with a blown motor, Idk if he wants to sell ? I can ask if your interested 🤔 he works at the same hospital I due . Thanks & going to definitely be asking for your advice & sharing your vids 😎.
Thanks, but no thanks on the bike, my garage is only so big...lol. Ohio aye, that is pretty close....looks like I'm gonna have to come down there and get a ride out together. We have a lot of Ohioan's on the team.
@@kachiskid I hear ya on bike LOL & sure come on down ( welcome) 🤔make sure it's before the snow fly's ❄🌬😣 LOL. Salute
Will do. Salute
Awesome man
Thanks!
Hey there, where did you get the Taida 61mm cylinder? You didn't add a link. Also How what did you think of the Glixal 61mm head quality? Is it decent? Some of the reviews say the quality isn't great. Thanks! Appreciate your vids!
Hey there, I didn't add a link in this video because of where I got the engine is no longer in business. I have since blown that engine because a valve breaking off a Glixal 57.4mm head th-cam.com/video/CDmPILAtT5U/w-d-xo.html
The new engine has been installed and I promoted the company that I received it from with a link in the description. th-cam.com/video/3UkBDjKabDs/w-d-xo.html
I stayed away from the Glixal head on the new engine of any size, but I do remember really liking the performance that I was getting out of the 61mm Glixal before I broke an exhaust bolt and had to replace it with the 57.4. Thanks for watching.
Did you change your carb in any way or just keep it as it was ?
Carb. I'm running... th-cam.com/video/MpzHA1_al_U/w-d-xo.html
Say bro u should try out an aluminum intake I really thing u will like the sound it give off soooo sweet bro plus the stock intake always leak they crack around the bolt holes and cause ur bike to idle a lil bad so u never really get it to tune right
Yeah, I had it on there at 1st but didn't vent the head correctly, but I got a K&N filter to vent the head into now so I will be going back to that setup. In my very 1st video...Custom Look/Ride, it on there.
Will the engine still run smoothly if you don't change the stock carburetor setting after installing a 61mm bore kit into a 125cc GY6?
Yes it will. Please make sure that this engine will slide into a 125cc. I started from a 150cc, so no boring was needed.
Nice video. Can you tell me why some use gasket sealant and you don’t need it ? Or is it the case that’s others didn’t really need it ?
Thank you. Great question. At the time of this video I hadn't come across a great gasket sealer. That red high temp is absolute garbage! It helped me mess up my original 150cc engine, attempting to seal a leak. I have since learned and purchased Yamabond 4, which is what Yamaha uses to seal its engines. I'll be making a video about it when I change my cam from that A14 to an A9 later this summer. Honda also makes a version call Hondabond 4.
@@kachiskid thanks . I will get some before I tackle the job.
No problem.
Great content on your channel brutha! I'm in the middle of the same upgrade on my custom build for a Ruckus. I have a Jonway 150cc (157QMJ) donor engine. I bought the 61mm Taida kit, and it should be drop in, but I am running into a difference of about .6mm in my engine case opening, so it does not drop right in. The outer cylinder diameter is 62.7mm, and my engine case opening is only 62.3mm. The info on the Taida says the engine case bore should be 62.9 to accommodate. I'm kinda confused how this engine case would be any different than another GY6 longcase. I'm thinking I may just have to get to hand sanding the bore by tracking on the new gasket circumference, and using that as a guide as to how much material to remove. I really don't want to tear down the whole engine again, and go to a machine shop for a bore difference of only .6mm. Any thoughts would be much appreciated?
Thank you for the compliment bro. Okay, I imagine you can't send the engine back so there's that...this one is tough. I would attempt to hand sand before taking it to a shop. The boring tool is to costly, unless you are going to use it more than once. We have to be careful with the sleeve because it's not as thick as we would like. T, is it possible to crack the engine case, and attempt to fit it around it? Using the piston to hold postion. How good are you with a dremel?
@@kachiskid I had that thought about the Dremel too, but I think it would take off too much material at a time. I feel like I will be able to better maintain the true circular nature by hand, and might end up with an uneven surface if I tried Dremel action on it. I know I'm sacrificing extra labor time, but my thought is it will have better integrity for the long haul. We'll see how it goes. I'll be tackling it this afternoon. My hope is no more than a few hours to get a perfect fit.
@@timreilly4917 good luck bro, let me know how it goes.
I’m looking to throw this same kit in my 150cc long case. But NCY says you need to bore the stock 150cc cases? -Please, measure with a caliper GY6 crankcase bore (opening) for 61mm cylinder outer diameter sleeve need a minimum of 62.9mm bore clearance or boring and machining are required.?
Bro, I have bought 2. My last one came from the NCY store. They fit no problem, no boring required.
Thanks for great video.. can you pls let me know where the red pipe connectcoming out from cylinder head?
No problem. The red hose is my vent hose for the head of the engine. More detail of it in this vid. th-cam.com/video/df8b6Dzr_1A/w-d-xo.html
@@kachiskid Thanks for quick response.. I meant its starts from your head of engine to connect where?
Because i have my hose starts from head of engine cover and splashs oil everywhere i don no where to connect it
@@yf48353 into a K&N filter...should be clear in the other video.
I wonder if I would have to bore engine case on a bintelli beast 150?? I believe my engine is a 157QMJ
This one is suppose to slide into any 157QMJ. Should not need to be bored out, only reason I purchased it.
Im up tuning my 125 cc Gy6 cylinder to 180cc (63mm) What are the intake and outtake diameters I need to drill my 125cc cylinder head to? Also what size main jet you recommend for the default carburator of 125cc?
Whoa Vicmot...that is hard to answer. The reason I went with the 171cc and nothing larger is because anything over 171cc's you have to bore out your engine. The 171 was just a slide in. for a question like that, you might want to contact the Ruck Shop. Jetting also is hard, depends, do you have a pod filter, and high performance exhaust? My stock jets didn't have any numbers on them, which sucks. I am currently tuning and attempting to find the right jet for my bike. I'm up to a 120 main and 40 pilot and I'm running lean. Safe bet would to stay around 98 - 110, on a totally stock bike. Depends on the weather and the altitude of where you live.
@@kachiskid are u sure if you have 157QM type 6 engine u can go up to 70mm i heard?
@@TY-jt9js It's possible, I have never heard of a type 6 engine. Where did you hear this?
Hey kid
I got a question I just did my big bore on my scooter it's the same one you got I did the taida brand head and cylinder buy my valves are ticking and I adjust them already 3 times the kit came with a performance cam but my valves are ticking and I never had that be proplem before. Any ideas maybe you can help a brother out
Whoa, you got a Taida head also? I would try the original head for a period of time to see if the ticking will go away.
Oh man you know I ain't taking that apart again I went threw hell putting that sucker on .
I adjust again didn't even need it but I think my rollers are really wore out and the rattle alot maybe that's the noise .you know I put a 118 variator and I go threw rollers and sliders quick it just melts them i think the bigger variator get real hot down there. I'll let you know in a bit when I change the rollers
how did you plug the egr on the valve cover?
I didn't, I had to find a non-EGR cover to go on my non-EGR head.
Is that an a or b block? And did you have to bore the case?
b block, no boring.
Slight displacement increase big deal on a 2 stroke motor not so much on a 4 stroke motor. Was it worth it?
I will never ride a 4-stroke 150cc again if I can help it! 171cc for life! (no boring required)...lol.
But 61mm with stock stroke isn’t 171.
Okay. I've had it now lol. Piston got stuck in the cylinder while I was riding. My plan now is to replace the piston and cylinder, this time with larger. To get me to work. And in a few weeks I am buying a Honda CBR 300R 2020. I will still keep my GY6. At the moment, my problem is removing the wrist pin from the stock piston. The piston will move up and down, but, I tried tapping the pin from both sides and it won't budge. Both circlips are out. How easy was it to remove your pin?
Yes, it can be a little hard. I use the same size socket (5-7mm) as the size of the wrist pin. Line it up, and hit with a rubber mallet, it will come out.
Okay, thanks. I'll keep trying.
No problem, you might want to try a torch to heat it up also. Looking forward to seeing the CBR 300, your gonna love it.
No luck. I ordered a piston pin remover and will try that. If that doesn't work, considering the piston is hollow aluminum, I am going to cut it parallel to the pin and split it off. Maybe need a slotted screwdriver to pry a little. I won't be putting stress on the rod.
I had trouble deciding between the CBR, YZF, and GSX. The CBR has a few things I dislike. The headlights for example. They work independently. The displacement is more of 280cc rather than the R3's 330cc. No gear indicator, although I can add one. No hinged fuel cap. Poor color choices. Actually, only two choices. There not a big deal type issues, just saying. But, my heart is still set on the CBR for some reason. I'm going to at least figure out what I can do to get the headlights to work together so I dont have to use projectors. That's just weird.
Sorry to hear about the pin, there must have been a lot of heat.
I imagine you want the CBR because Honda makes a great bike. That being said I didn't know about the headlight issue. Most likely you have already seen it but if you haven't... th-cam.com/video/ycEE5JX95UI/w-d-xo.html
As a R3 owner it's only 321cc's, but I did know the CBR was a little short of 300cc's. Are you going to be making payments on the bike, or buying it outright? I personally DON'T get bored with bikes and need something faster in a month or 2. I will most likely never sell mine! If I want something faster, I will throw a 600cc in the garage.
I got the same moped as you, your videos got me to buy the same one 😍 and wanted to ask if there is an order to buy parts to speed up my Alice cause I’m not rich nor do I have the mechanical skills to do anything but I do have your TH-cam videos and if possible can you send me a list fam the do’s and don’t? BTW there is a rattling somewhere idk where and the belt feels like it’s hitting something I only installed the alarm and autostart I love it, my friends thought it was cool too easy install thanks to you again 😁 well yeah I wanted to say thank you very Much Fam stay safe
Thank you so much for the compliment. I would encourage you to take off the CVT cover, check your bel,t and an upgrade from rollers to sliders. I have a video on it. Alice, I love it! Make sure to send a pic to my email kachiskid@gmail, so Alice can be featured.
Kachi's Kid thank you fam, I will send you a video once I’m done doing mods. Currently getting sliders and oil decompression tube and a new belt I watched all your videos 100 times buying all your recommendations that was available on amazon I saw your comments lol and next project is exhaust or BIG Bore KIT but since I’m in California my engine displacement is 149cc to be carb approved I think 🤷🏽♂️ idk but does this effect it cause I don’t wanna bore my engine no tools to do it I honestly didn’t think you would reply to me hahahaha 😅
@@wiredgaming8504 Bro, there has never been a person I haven't responded to...even the haters! Cali, is rough on you guys, make sure of the rules. That big bore, just slides right in like an old man into a warm bath. They shouldn't check your piston size, unless your just messing all the way up! The exhaust upgrade should come if your big boring, and changing to a pod filter...they kinda work together. Just adding an exhaust can lead to having to rejet your carb.
Kachi's Kid just ordered some under glow with brake light connections imma copy your sae charging cable those are great it was a gift, right? It looks like it’s 4 gauge wires which probably means your using a different battery since it’s really big imma check your videos I thought I seen one where title says “before you buy a battery” I think that’s what it is. But yeah looking to also replace handle bars with a cruiser type maybe or longer bar imma remove cover I just don’t know if handle bars are same I know there is clamp and the one we got but is it replaceable ? And I’m also getting speakers I was gonna get the same one but reviews pushed me away. And Bro How did you connect your phone mount like that it’s a magnet right? It ain’t sketchy.
Phone mount is crazy glued on and holds the phone great. Magnet is very strong but I don't think Vava isn't making it anymore. Just changed my wiring that connects to the battery to 8 gauge. You might want to check with "49ccscoot" on what handlebars will fit.
Has anybody got a link for these I can’t find them anywhere
gy6store.com/TAIDA-172cc-GY6-CYLINDER-SET-WITH-61mm-PISTON-RINGS-54mm-STUD-TAIDA-172cc-CYLINDER-KIT-61mm.htm
Will this work on the 50cc version
Unfortunately no...50cc can only big bore up to 100cc's, but I hear you really don't want to go over 80cc. Should take you from 35mph to 45-50mph WOT.
hii my friend 😀
i have one question 😅
does the bigger piston make more vibration than stock because it is bigger and you dont change crank shaft
Hey buddy, You will not get more vibration, unless your crankshaft is already bad.
@@kachiskid
oki thank you sir ❤️❤️
@@kachiskid
i understoud that you dont notice any kind of vibration when install 61 mm piston right?
That is correct. I am currently installing a 180cc engine in the bike and using just a regular crank, no stroker. I have had no problems out of my old crank though.
@@kachiskid
good , oki thank you so much 😍❤️
Is it ok if the engine block is 125 and i upgrade it to 175 and not change the hole block and cvt and gears on it
Sorry bro, I don't know enough about the 125cc, and never heard of a 175cc engine. What size piston is that?
From 125 cc to 150 cc is good..The 170 cc will not fit in
@@GYccUsefultips That makes total sense!
Kachi's kid..Is that permatex copper spray on the gaskets..They seem to be dry..
Did they work ok?
Yup that is Permatex copper spray. You want them to be dry when you install. Learned that from Daniel Martin. Worked just fine.
@@kachiskid Thank you brother..I believe when you use it on the base gasket,it increases heat conductivity between the cylinder and the case,which is a benefit for heat dissipation..key in these air cooled engines..I also think it strengthens the gasket and extends its life..I used it dry on a gy6 150 cc transmission cover and one of the advantages is ,it makes reinstallation a breeze..I wanna share with you some of my tests results on the gy6,since my income depends on them..I found a budget variator and rollers that work amazing and i would like you try it..You can even make a video on it and share with the scooter community..Ler me know if want the information
@@GYccUsefultips well stay tuned because next season I will be replacing the cam, and instead of using gaskets will be using Yamabond. Yeah send me a link to variator and rollers.
@@kachiskid I left you the info on one of your videos
@@GYccUsefultips cool, I'll check it out.
How do I get any advice off of you guys
Ask a question, normally gets answered.
Are those glixal parts reliable bro??
Naw bro, forget them...I'm kinda liking the GOOFIT name brand right now. That Glixal head valve failed, and the orange fan they make broke on me also. I have there A9 cam but don't think I will use it.
@Minimalistic Van Living I agree, giving them a chance, and they blew it.
I change out the vavles and springs but thats just me..
Im confused im lookin on ebay aliexpress for 61mm big bore kit. For some reason ebay says 150-200cc but most say you need to adjust the case size. To much info and i can't find wat i wanted. The 171cc is the one that will fit the 150cc gy6 engine without changing the case size? Since on ebay its like 30-40€ 61mm bore kit but i don't wanna change the case size. (still need to install the racing vario parts and different weights had no time yet to look at it its not that great weather plus with work and the night falling quick.)
Anyway 171cc is the max without changing case size if im right. Even them im not if it will work since the atv quad gy6 150cc is a 4 valve head so a bit different then the others if im correct.
Racing or performance cdi did not that much. Not in speed just start rpm is higher.
Im just looking for cheap upgrades (cams bore kit etc) but i think my exhaust line with be the problem if i tune it much, its very small in diameter but since its on the quad i can't really put a bigger size on like the scooters have.
The Taida and NCY kits are the only ones that I know that will slide in with cutting into the case. That being said I have never gotten a cheaper kit but I was thinking the same thing as you. They should be the same size but that (some boring may be required) scared me off too. I'm a person who looks to get the cheapest price I can also, but for my engines, I know quality costs.
@@kachiskid yeah i dont really care for the engine i mean a new one is 200€ of ebay.
but when i see the 30€ big bore kit 61mm on ebay kinda tempting :)
but im getting ahead of my self since i still need to install the racing vario and change some other things.
but at 30€ it seems like a fun thing but if i need to bore the case i dont have the stuff for that or know any one who can do it..
i did find a aliexpress seller that has 61mm and 58.5mm but i think 58.5 is only 155cc.... im not sure it doesnt say anything. it says 150-200cc kit those china listing are confusing AF
Yeah, I'm sure it can be tempting, but hold off and get your variator done, work with the different weighed rollers and you might be surprised. Yup, I saw that 155cc also, that is a waste of an upgrade. How good are you at tuning carbs.? If you jet the carb. just right you will get some more power.
@@kachiskid yeha i mean 5cc aint gonna do shit
yeah i know, like one of my video shows, the belt aint going all the way on my vario so i guess lighter weights would help that. havent toke to the time to look at my adly 150cc quad. to busy with work and christmas and new year + i got my self a triton 450 quad to many things to do :) plus shit rain weather often, its stil stock the carb i need to jet it bigger i think cause with the fake akrapovic exhaust it might need a biger jet, cause i checked the spark plug the other day it was pretty black. so the mixture is not perfect. but it runs fine. i hope that at some point it will do 80kmh. and not 65kmh
@@kachiskid and i mean i know how to jet but not that i know what the best is i just follow forums and try :=)
Was this done on a 157qmj engine ? How’s it holding up?
Yes it was, and holding up great. My 1st one was destroyed due to a cheap head I was using. Damn valve broke off and well, you'll see... th-cam.com/video/CDmPILAtT5U/w-d-xo.html
@@kachiskid was the original Piston size 57.4 ?
@@Mini.Moto.Guy806 Yes sir, generic 150cc piston size.
@@kachiskid man I hope the kit I ordered drops right in without boring
@@Mini.Moto.Guy806 No worries it will, if you got the same engine.
What would a bike shop charge for this upgrade I wonder
Well if you really want to know, I think Matt from Rolling Wrench, or Ryan from the Ruck Shop could tell you. The Ruck Shop has a good video on the same size engine that I watched maybe 50 times before making mine. Ryan goes by the name of Burnout Bobby on TH-cam. He is definitely worth a watch and sub.
chicago 300 to 500... shop hours vary
Where did you get the kit
NCY store.
@@kachiskid would this fit in a 50cc
@@alexcute978 No sir.
How is this holding up
She runs awesome every time out. I just bought a new toy that I get tomorrow, stay tuned bro...
@@kachiskid you have not had any problems out of the crank?
@@runningbear211 Nope, crank is holding up strong. Why have you had problems?
@@kachiskid yes my crank went bad last week
@@runningbear211 Oh bro, I'm so sorry. Did you have just 150cc engine in there?
11gram rollers
That is what I'm rocking now.
I don't need no big bore kit
If you can hit 60mph or above, I would say no.
Hey bro I hope u don’t buy another one just buy a whole taida motor instead and u will be better off because it won’t blow up on u them cases can’t handle that u will blame ur self every time it blows up thinking it was something u did wrong I’ve been there done that if u can afford it just buy a whole taida motor
Yeah I would have done that but I wanted to tear a 150cc engine apart for the knowledge, and the channel is also focused on building on a budget. After I get this CDI video wrapped, hopefully tomorrow, I got an A9 cam and going back to a 61mm head. I have a 57.4mm on there now because of that error in the guide. I love that Taida though.
Lol
Not really clear if you enjoyed the video or not.