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Good first effort for live streaming on the field. However, I'd prefer 4k quality, even if that means it's not streamed. Watching TFL on the big screen is the best ❤
Ford used to offer a bzillion individual options. CEO said to simplify and reduce costs they bundled options in 2024. Thus we cannot order Torsen or auto 4wd without the 11k package. Unfortunately consumer isn't seeing these cost savings.
I have been a Tremor fan boy since the launch. The removal of the Torsen front end ended that. I am thinking about buying a used Lariat with a 3:73 locking rear axle and having a Torsen front axel added and putting on a lift, wheels and tires. I’d still come out $$$ ahead over buying a new Tremor. Sure, I won’t have trail turn assist, and a few other options, but I’ve off roaded 40 years without them anyway.
Cost savings TO THEM while charging us more. I am sure the unions have something to do with the price. I have heard some crazy numbers I can't believe but there def. is a union tax we pay at the end of the day. Supposedly UAW labor cost range from $60-70 hour, again not sure how many assembly line workers really make that or what.
To answer the question about whether a 4A transfer case being weaker. It depends. The Raptor transfer case is pretty bespoke in that it uses a clutch system (not truly locking) for the torque on demand mode (4Auto). It has a separate traditional gear and chain system for the 4hi and 4lo modes (truly locked). I'll use the ram 1500 as a different example. This could have been updated, but I believe there were 2 transfer case options. The BW44-44 (4A) and the BW44-45 (traditional part time). To my understanding the bw44-44 does not truly lock even in 4hi and 4lo in the same way that the BW44-45 does as it also uses some form of clutch system. I think what rams use now are the BW48-11 and BW48-12. The 11 is clutch based and not truly locking, the 12 is fully locking. The TRX has a BW48-13 but from what I have read is just a full time version of the 48-11 If it has clutches then friction plates can overheat and fade compromising the system.
Have a ‘24 Tremor and love it. Also like BlueCruise way more than I thought I would - however, Ford and every other auto manufacturer can stick it where the sun don’t shine with their subscription services. 70k for a vehicle and you want to nickel and dime me in order to fully utilize features that are already built into the car? Get lost.
@@66racer Yeah, I had no idea you even had to pay a subscription to use the tech. It's like $67 a month to be accurate. That's the price for the privilege of using BlueCruise. But hey, if you pay for 3 years, you get a discount! Then, it's only $2100.00.
@@Dusdaddy that's pretty pricey, I am gonna ask my buddy if his GMC Yukon XL has the same monthly/yearly rates. I know his does lame changing and such. I'm personally good with adaptive cruise control.
@@66racer Not gonna lie it would be nice to have but not at that price. GM Super Cruise is only $25 a month. That's $400 a year cheaper than Ford. A $4k savings if you keep the truck for 10 years! That's huge.
Coming from a first gen Raptor (loved that truck, had it for almost 12 years) I recently picked up a ‘24 Tremor with the 401a package….i really wanted the 5.0, but there were none to be found in my end of the country this close to year end. With that said, the 3.5 is a fantastic engine, less the V8 soundtrack…..more complexity, which I’m a little uneasy bout in the long term, but there are plenty of uber high mileage 3.5 EBs around that have been relatively trouble free so fingers crossed. Apart from that, I find that the 401a package has pretty much everything that I would want. Personally, I didn’t want the moonroof, funky tailgate or anything else that the higher spec package has….would’ve liked the modular front bumper. But even the seats in the 401a are very nice….cloth centre section with vinyl sides/back. Added the bed utility pkg with step, spray in box liner and tonneau….that’s it. And, I took full advantage of the year end incentives which meant almost $15K off up here in Canuckistan….made the price much more palatable. I’d go as far as saying that the Tremor (especially with the V8) is the spiritual successor of the first gen Raptor without the (as) insane prices of the current gen Raptors.
I passed on the Tremor specifically because I wanted the Torsen but not the 402a package. The Torsen was a $500 stand alone option for’23 but for’24 you have to opt for an $11,000 package to get it. Way to go Ford. 🤬
multi function tailgates are the best new feature for trucks in decades, esp if you have a topper, otherwise you need a bedslide. leveling kits are stupid, unless you want to drive around with an empty bed all the time. as soon as you put a load in the bed or tow something your rear is squatting too much and your headlites are blasting oncoming traffic. this is why trucks used for work are higher in the back. otherwise buy a maverick hybrid to commute in.
extending the wifi range will help get better shots. Maybe use a battery power bank with the starlink on top of a side by side so you can position the starlink closer.. and/or use smaller power banks with wifi mesh extenders at "waypoints"?
F150's NEEEEDDDD their front sway bars disconnected to not suck offroad. Since they only have a front bar, it completely controls the dynamics of the truck. My F150 rode like complete crap offroad with the front bar connected, head bob city, and then would be smooth as butter with it disconnected. The other thing that hugely helped was a rear Hellwig sway bar. It helped counter the stiffness of the front bar and made the truck much smoother offroad.
4wd Auto is nice for winter and street driving but a hardcore off-road truck should have a transfer case that hard locks the front to rear, not connected via a "clutch".
As popular as the Ranger Raptor is, I doubt it. The Raptor is at a great price point compared to the competition. Why lose money to a lower priced Tremor?
Bluecruise is full stop and go completely hands free driving, and you do get 1 year free trial from new. I was skeptical but it's pretty awesome don't knock it until you try it.
@@Dusdaddy At $25 per month I’d buy it regardless of how often I used it. But if you drive a lot of highway miles or have a decent commute to work I think it’s worth $70 per month for a lot of people because it eliminates a lot of stress and fatigue while driving. The 1 year option brings it to $58 per month. I’m hoping the price comes down as more vehicles become equipped with it and more people buy into it.
@@SkylarRacethis is complete bulshit if it's on the truck and you bought the truck it should work just like your heated seats if they had a subscription for that I tell him to get f*****
So tired of getting nickel and dimed for every subscription. When I spend this kind of money….only in theory cause I never would, I should get every option working with no subscriptions.
Love the Tremor. However, even if I had the money, after paying between $60 to $80 grand for a truck, there ain’t now way on God’s green earth, that I’m paying a subscription fee for a service like Blue Cruise on the truck. Just because others are, c’mon Ford, you’re better than this.
On paper I like the F150 Tremor (hate the orange though) but I could not get it over a Raptor at this price. For ME, if I spent +$70k on a Tremor, I think I would worry if I should have gotten a Raptor. This is the same price issue Ford will have with the new gen Ranger Tremor if they bring it to the USA again. I have a '21 Ranger Tremor that I love but eventually may need a full-size. Currently my top pick may be a Gen 2 Raptor or early Gen 3 come time to upgrade in size.
maybe adding a repeater to the setup could enable you to walk further away from the starlink antena without loosing signal strength, also a tripod or something similar to place the antena as high as posible might help with interference.
I hear on some of these videos that some overlanders get the Raptor and put beefier leafs on them to increase payload capacity so it doesn't sag with the heavier overlanding setup. Do you know, if you do that do you lose that raptor smooth highway ride advantage over the tremor and platinum?
Nice truck! Nice review! Two questions. Do you know, would this fully loaded Tremor drive as smooth and comfortably on the highway as the Platinum with its dampeners or the Platinum FX4 that loses those dampeners but apparently gains better quality leafs and suspension? Just gathering info now, will make final decision later. I will say this. Depending on how close the Tremor is to the Platinum in terms of a smooth, comfortable highway drive, I would get the fully loaded Tremor in a second if it came with the Powerboost engine as an option in 2025. I read somewhere that it will. Fingers crossed. Do you know if it will?
Pisses me off to no end that you have to buy an $11k package to get Auto AWD and a heated wheel. Ford gives me absolutely no reason to trade in my 2020 XLT s-crew 5.0 XLT FX4.
So many triggered TFL viewers /Toyota haters were outraged at the orice of the TRD tacoma in the last video. Perfectly fine with this price though. Funny how Toyota illicits so many fan boys but probably more haters now. Probably Ford has alot of fanboys too.
The live streaming was a worthy experiment, but for me, not a successful one. Poor resolution, way too much camera jiggle, momentary glitches, and an inability to get close enough to really see the suspension and traction systems work like your recorded and edited videos. 10 more minutes and I might have started getting a headache from all the shaking. TFL generally has very good production values considering the challenges in what you do and I'll be more than happy to stick to watching those traditional style videos. Fuzzy and shaking all over the place is better suited to a teddy bear in a washing machine than car & truck videos.
Wow TFL using Starlink now. Roman is really drinking the Elon juice. 😂 When are you doing a real off-road challenge with cybertruck AWD vs Tremor, ZR2, Rebel, TRD Pro or even a Raptor? Are you waiting for Tesla to release under body protection?
Wow, Starlink is 51% as successful as it should be, typical Elon Musk quality, if people expect 100%, Elon gives them no more than 51%. Amazing that the stock prices are not just throwaway penny stocks. TFL, please find a better and more robust wireless solution, the shakey resolution was an embarrassment; Starlink ain’t helping.
could of told you the cyber truck is a problem.. but Tesla makes awesome ev's that are cars.. I own one and it rides better than any gas car I have ever owned and I have owned many
the 5.0 definitely is not the correct engine for a off road truck. Too heavy and takes way too many RPM's to make peak power. It belongs in the Mustang or a Street Truck.
@@jamesbeaman6337 you need power immediately for off road especially torque. That's a basic rule for off-roading. The weight difference is about 50 pounds. The Ecoboost delivers more power and earlier the only reason Ford offers a less reliable Mustang engine in a F-150 is some people think engine sound is important.
@@Cloud30000sounds like what most people would do! I mean who wouldn’t swap a model 3 ( I mean drop it off at the salvage yard) for a 550! Most believable story I’ve read yet!
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Yeah 720p resolution is kinda traveling back to 2005 so is star link not capable of allowing higher resolution or is this a YT issue?
Got a 2023 402A, it’s been incredible. Daily driver, off road, and I tow our 25ft. camper. At 30,000 miles couldn’t be happier
Good first effort for live streaming on the field. However, I'd prefer 4k quality, even if that means it's not streamed. Watching TFL on the big screen is the best ❤
$80,000+ AND they're charging a subscription fee to use the options you already spent extra money for?!? That. Is. Insane.
Yeah for 80k just get the Raptor
Plus, the markup 😂
@@vickyn8162You can easily order one of these under invoice if you put in a little effort.
Ford will keep raping whoever keeps paying them money.
( cyber space truck. Tesla elonie musky 🤮 ) f150 tremor v8👍🏻😎
Ford used to offer a bzillion individual options. CEO said to simplify and reduce costs they bundled options in 2024. Thus we cannot order Torsen or auto 4wd without the 11k package.
Unfortunately consumer isn't seeing these cost savings.
I have been a Tremor fan boy since the launch. The removal of the Torsen front end ended that. I am thinking about buying a used Lariat with a 3:73 locking rear axle and having a Torsen front axel added and putting on a lift, wheels and tires. I’d still come out $$$ ahead over buying a new Tremor. Sure, I won’t have trail turn assist, and a few other options, but I’ve off roaded 40 years without them anyway.
Cost savings TO THEM while charging us more. I am sure the unions have something to do with the price. I have heard some crazy numbers I can't believe but there def. is a union tax we pay at the end of the day. Supposedly UAW labor cost range from $60-70 hour, again not sure how many assembly line workers really make that or what.
To answer the question about whether a 4A transfer case being weaker.
It depends. The Raptor transfer case is pretty bespoke in that it uses a clutch system (not truly locking) for the torque on demand mode (4Auto). It has a separate traditional gear and chain system for the 4hi and 4lo modes (truly locked).
I'll use the ram 1500 as a different example. This could have been updated, but I believe there were 2 transfer case options. The BW44-44 (4A) and the BW44-45 (traditional part time). To my understanding the bw44-44 does not truly lock even in 4hi and 4lo in the same way that the BW44-45 does as it also uses some form of clutch system. I think what rams use now are the BW48-11 and BW48-12. The 11 is clutch based and not truly locking, the 12 is fully locking. The TRX has a BW48-13 but from what I have read is just a full time version of the 48-11
If it has clutches then friction plates can overheat and fade compromising the system.
Have a ‘24 Tremor and love it. Also like BlueCruise way more than I thought I would - however, Ford and every other auto manufacturer can stick it where the sun don’t shine with their subscription services. 70k for a vehicle and you want to nickel and dime me in order to fully utilize features that are already built into the car? Get lost.
Agreed. I don't get the steep price. I understand some monthly charges as they add new roads, fine, whatever. But not $800 a year fine!
$800/yr 😬 What the heck does that get you? I assumed it was a lot less. I guess I missed where they spoke about this in the video.
@@66racer Yeah, I had no idea you even had to pay a subscription to use the tech. It's like $67 a month to be accurate. That's the price for the privilege of using BlueCruise. But hey, if you pay for 3 years, you get a discount! Then, it's only $2100.00.
@@Dusdaddy that's pretty pricey, I am gonna ask my buddy if his GMC Yukon XL has the same monthly/yearly rates. I know his does lame changing and such. I'm personally good with adaptive cruise control.
@@66racer Not gonna lie it would be nice to have but not at that price. GM Super Cruise is only $25 a month. That's $400 a year cheaper than Ford. A $4k savings if you keep the truck for 10 years! That's huge.
Coming from a first gen Raptor (loved that truck, had it for almost 12 years) I recently picked up a ‘24 Tremor with the 401a package….i really wanted the 5.0, but there were none to be found in my end of the country this close to year end. With that said, the 3.5 is a fantastic engine, less the V8 soundtrack…..more complexity, which I’m a little uneasy bout in the long term, but there are plenty of uber high mileage 3.5 EBs around that have been relatively trouble free so fingers crossed. Apart from that, I find that the 401a package has pretty much everything that I would want. Personally, I didn’t want the moonroof, funky tailgate or anything else that the higher spec package has….would’ve liked the modular front bumper. But even the seats in the 401a are very nice….cloth centre section with vinyl sides/back. Added the bed utility pkg with step, spray in box liner and tonneau….that’s it. And, I took full advantage of the year end incentives which meant almost $15K off up here in Canuckistan….made the price much more palatable.
I’d go as far as saying that the Tremor (especially with the V8) is the spiritual successor of the first gen Raptor without the (as) insane prices of the current gen Raptors.
I like the updated F-150 the front end looks great
Glad I bought my 401A last year when I could get the Torsen without the glamour pack.
I passed on the Tremor specifically because I wanted the Torsen but not the 402a package. The Torsen was a $500 stand alone option for’23 but for’24 you have to opt for an $11,000 package to get it. Way to go Ford. 🤬
Mind blown you spend base 65k for the tremor and 4 auto not included.
Would love to see a comparison between Tremor/trail boss/Rebel.
Tremor is way better.
multi function tailgates are the best new feature for trucks in decades, esp if you have a topper, otherwise you need a bedslide. leveling kits are stupid, unless you want to drive around with an empty bed all the time. as soon as you put a load in the bed or tow something your rear is squatting too much and your headlites are blasting oncoming traffic. this is why trucks used for work are higher in the back. otherwise buy a maverick hybrid to commute in.
extending the wifi range will help get better shots. Maybe use a battery power bank with the starlink on top of a side by side so you can position the starlink closer.. and/or use smaller power banks with wifi mesh extenders at "waypoints"?
Leveling is for looks, once you put weight in the bed it will level. This would be a great overlanding rig.
F150's NEEEEDDDD their front sway bars disconnected to not suck offroad. Since they only have a front bar, it completely controls the dynamics of the truck. My F150 rode like complete crap offroad with the front bar connected, head bob city, and then would be smooth as butter with it disconnected.
The other thing that hugely helped was a rear Hellwig sway bar. It helped counter the stiffness of the front bar and made the truck much smoother offroad.
4wd Auto is nice for winter and street driving but a hardcore off-road truck should have a transfer case that hard locks the front to rear, not connected via a "clutch".
Many companies have been doing this for decades! Calm down boomer it locks tq 50/50 no problem haha
How about a Ford off road package vid at the ranch course? FX4 vs Tremor vs Raptor.
I’d like to see this vs a Sierra at4 3.0 duramax
$ 80,000 ? I dont think so.... on another note, word has it that the 2025 Ranger Line could include the ' Tremor ' package.
As popular as the Ranger Raptor is, I doubt it. The Raptor is at a great price point compared to the competition. Why lose money to a lower priced Tremor?
not digging the lower quality of this live broadcast
That tailgate opening is far from normal. Tailgate is overly complex for no reason
Wow I can't imagine paying monthly to use cruise control. That's insane.
Bluecruise is full stop and go completely hands free driving, and you do get 1 year free trial from new. I was skeptical but it's pretty awesome don't knock it until you try it.
@@SkylarRace Really? Is it $70 a month awesome? GM Supercruise is only $25 a month and you can tow with that one.
@@Dusdaddy At $25 per month I’d buy it regardless of how often I used it. But if you drive a lot of highway miles or have a decent commute to work I think it’s worth $70 per month for a lot of people because it eliminates a lot of stress and fatigue while driving. The 1 year option brings it to $58 per month. I’m hoping the price comes down as more vehicles become equipped with it and more people buy into it.
@@SkylarRacethis is complete bulshit if it's on the truck and you bought the truck it should work just like your heated seats if they had a subscription for that I tell him to get f*****
So tired of getting nickel and dimed for every subscription. When I spend this kind of money….only in theory cause I never would, I should get every option working with no subscriptions.
The ZR2 is superior for a better deal
Which engine?
Which engine?
Which engine?
If you was going to buy a Chevy Colorado 2017 / 2018 or a Toyota 2017 2018 which one would you recommend. 5:14
Love the Tremor.
However, even if I had the money, after paying between $60 to $80 grand for a truck, there ain’t now way on God’s green earth, that I’m paying a subscription fee for a service like Blue Cruise on the truck. Just because others are, c’mon Ford, you’re better than this.
On paper I like the F150 Tremor (hate the orange though) but I could not get it over a Raptor at this price. For ME, if I spent +$70k on a Tremor, I think I would worry if I should have gotten a Raptor. This is the same price issue Ford will have with the new gen Ranger Tremor if they bring it to the USA again. I have a '21 Ranger Tremor that I love but eventually may need a full-size. Currently my top pick may be a Gen 2 Raptor or early Gen 3 come time to upgrade in size.
Would love to see you guys get your hands on an stx fx4(rattler) to me seems like quite the bang for the buck!
maybe adding a repeater to the setup could enable you to walk further away from the starlink antena without loosing signal strength, also a tripod or something similar to place the antena as high as posible might help with interference.
Thanks for the great suggestion!
I hear on some of these videos that some overlanders get the Raptor and put beefier leafs on them to increase payload capacity so it doesn't sag with the heavier overlanding setup. Do you know, if you do that do you lose that raptor smooth highway ride advantage over the tremor and platinum?
Code Orange = Faded Red
Remember when the 2024s were announced and they showed you could get a winch from factory? Yeah that's not an option anymore.
Nice truck! Nice review! Two questions. Do you know, would this fully loaded Tremor drive as smooth and comfortably on the highway as the Platinum with its dampeners or the Platinum FX4 that loses those dampeners but apparently gains better quality leafs and suspension? Just gathering info now, will make final decision later. I will say this. Depending on how close the Tremor is to the Platinum in terms of a smooth, comfortable highway drive, I would get the fully loaded Tremor in a second if it came with the Powerboost engine as an option in 2025. I read somewhere that it will. Fingers crossed. Do you know if it will?
Should do the next d to d when the lucid gravity launches.
Great video as always
I still think that options should be " a la carte "
Basically Cherry picking!
But that's in a perfect world lol
Pisses me off to no end that you have to buy an $11k package to get Auto AWD and a heated wheel. Ford gives me absolutely no reason to trade in my 2020 XLT s-crew 5.0 XLT FX4.
Hey guys im looks on getting the high package but i want the colored bumpers but nobody is able to answer me if i can or not. Thanks
I don't understand why they would make the tailgate swing to the curb side and not the street side.
That is dumb. It was like my Honda CRV and Lexus GX460. Both rear doors swung to the curb and it was so annoying.
Not a fan of vehicle's steering themselves, or any of the nannys
Hey guys! great video. Does the Tremor have the cheap belt system that pulls oil from the oil pan upwards or vice versa?
Love my 2022 Tremor, even if she is a road queen.
what is the 4wd system like on the base tremor? Does it have any sort of lockers or limited slip
it was covered in the video. Rear locker with the option of a limited slip in the front
Ford as really overpriced their truck's. You can see why their sales as slowed.
So many triggered TFL viewers /Toyota haters were outraged at the orice of the TRD tacoma in the last video. Perfectly fine with this price though. Funny how Toyota illicits so many fan boys but probably more haters now. Probably Ford has alot of fanboys too.
720p oh come on you gotta have the bandwidth to update your setting to at least 1080p keep trying
Xlt trim in orange?!? For what almost 70k
Fords new black grills are painted grey plastic, the black paint chips off too easily
Great on location show
Holy crap this is the first I've seen the cyber truck wrap and I freaking love it.
11 grand option and they can't even put in LED projectors like in the Platinum. What a joke
$80K? Give me one good reason not to buy a Rebel Cummins instead?
Not impressed AT ALL with the Starlink feed. Editing is a plus. Finally turned this mess off.
Es burrona?
Truck is expensive because ford needs to use this revenue stream to compensate for its ev loss
Cybercar****
You complain about the price of the truck, then your next statement is i would add a supercharger! . That’s 10000 $ bucks . Buy a raptor.
$80k? Shiiiit
Nice try, your constant harping on the price is not the issue. How it works is the important part of your content.
2 things you need in life a wife and a house. No expensive toys are necessary
I’d take the house and truck. You eventually stop paying for those.
@@shiftymcgee9359wife is on her way to this battlefield in two minutes 😂
I traded my f150 for a gx460
Didn’t need the towing capacity but wanted durability
@@user-tb7rn1il3q The new GX550 is pretty badass. I got a used Escalade cause I need heavy towing and the space but, Lexus will be my next car
@@USAWILL the 550 might make a good used truck. IF the drivetrain holds up which is in question as of now
The live streaming was a worthy experiment, but for me, not a successful one. Poor resolution, way too much camera jiggle, momentary glitches, and an inability to get close enough to really see the suspension and traction systems work like your recorded and edited videos. 10 more minutes and I might have started getting a headache from all the shaking.
TFL generally has very good production values considering the challenges in what you do and I'll be more than happy to stick to watching those traditional style videos. Fuzzy and shaking all over the place is better suited to a teddy bear in a washing machine than car & truck videos.
Wow TFL using Starlink now. Roman is really drinking the Elon juice. 😂
When are you doing a real off-road challenge with cybertruck AWD vs Tremor, ZR2, Rebel, TRD Pro or even a Raptor? Are you waiting for Tesla to release under body protection?
Wow, Starlink is 51% as successful as it should be, typical Elon Musk quality, if people expect 100%, Elon gives them no more than 51%. Amazing that the stock prices are not just throwaway penny stocks.
TFL, please find a better and more robust wireless solution, the shakey resolution was an embarrassment; Starlink ain’t helping.
I believe GMC looks better
could of told you the cyber truck is a problem.. but Tesla makes awesome ev's that are cars.. I own one and it rides better than any gas car I have ever owned and I have owned many
the 5.0 definitely is not the correct engine for a off road truck. Too heavy and takes way too many RPM's to make peak power. It belongs in the Mustang or a Street Truck.
More power is needed for highway driving than most off-roading. Also, what is the actual weight difference between the 5.0 and the 3.5EB?
@@jamesbeaman6337 you need power immediately for off road especially torque. That's a basic rule for off-roading. The weight difference is about 50 pounds. The Ecoboost delivers more power and earlier the only reason Ford offers a less reliable Mustang engine in a F-150 is some people think engine sound is important.
Tesla sucks.
I returned mine. Don't buy it.
Cool story Hansel
Mine has be awesome. Sounds like a personal issue.
Don't ever buy a Tesla truck they are terrible. I returned mine it was unusable I ended up getting a chevy a real truck.
I bought a Model 3, but it was a terrible vehicle. I just dropped it off at the salvage yard and got a F550 instead, much better.
@@Cloud30000sounds like what most people would do! I mean who wouldn’t swap a model 3 ( I mean drop it off at the salvage yard) for a 550! Most believable story I’ve read yet!
4vinyesound a real truck umm are you sure