I think it was better if you did the front locker test with the same car. But I also agree that front locker is much more useful than rear locker for climbing rock steps. With the rear locker you'll be only be pushed side to side, especially in muddy conditions.
Few thoughts here, With the front locker engaged you still Have the lsd in the back helping it along. With a rear locker you only have an open in the front. But I always kinda thought whilst climbing you have all the weight at the rear so why not have that locked up? And while going down a sketchy hill you can lock the rear Diff and it’ll keep the rear end striaght and stop it sliding around under compression...In saying all that I’ve got a auto locker from and lsd rear combo in me gu and it’s mint lol
You forget that a Toyota doesn't have a working rear LSD. We Patrol owners are accustomed to being able to go most places with just a front autolocker and the working LSD. Going down sketchy hills in the Patrol it's best to use the handbrake for rotation control of all 4 wheels. I sometimes wonder if a rear locker would be worth the cost for my Patrol, but never needed one. Putting the cost towards portals would be better :)
What a great demo, I just picked up a new Beast that has front and rear lockers, I can't wait to get out there and make a video of it just a tad bit much snow on the ground right now...fingers crossed for the weekend forecast 🤞
Here’s a good tip if u have an lsd rear diff get a front locker the lsd kind of acts like a locker but if u have an ifs vehicle I recommend getting a front locker because your not likely to loft your front wheels then u are to loft your rear wheels so front locker first in any car I think personally
Front locker with rear LSD is the preference. Remember with a rear locker you have an open diff prior to locking so you’ll constantly be locking the rear.
How well would a 4.88 Axle Ratio work with 40" tall tires on a relatively high horsepower (500HP+) Truck/Jeep/SUV? Would it be okay? What about acceleration and mpg? Thanks
Yes they will do, so long as the CV shafts are spinning. But they should unlock easier because you don't have driven power forcing the locker to lock up harder.
I think the first test you did on the flat ground with the opposing holes the lockers are equally as effective, up sand and maybe mud hills where you need constant power and momentum I think a rear will help you more because that’s where more weight will be and I think slower or shorter obstacles a front can help you more because it can then help pull the vehicle over the obstacle. But that all depends on the car and especially the wheel base imo
Surfer Andy the Auto locker will automatically lock in any gear, the best way to describe it is a very very tight lsd that unlocks when turning or off throttle
Please use the correct description! On the rear both of you have manual full lockers but in front you have a special kind of locker! It is non other than the mighty Detroit (or Aussie) locker! Unlocked when it needs to be unlocked and locked at all the other times!
Do you ever get worried that you will roll the troopy cause they are kinda top heavy? I use to have a 75 series troopy and it felt sketchy off road. What are your thoughts?
I would probably go with an e locker if I wasn't worried about money, sometimes having the locker always engaged can be annoying and I would assume its a bit stronger But so far a $400 part has gotten me the same places that an e-locker would 🤷♂️
Great video as per usual 👍 How does the auto front locker go in soft sand? Does it push alot and make it understeer when you're on the power or is it smart enough to unlock and drive as if it was standard?
Hi guys! Nice video... I am in the process of doing some upgrades to my 78 series troopy. What brand auto locker is installed in the troopy and have the sway bars been removed on this video? Cheers!
Honestly we don't have enough experience with them all to give you good advice Sorry we can't be of much help there If it's worth anything, when I put a rear locker in the troopy, going off of other people's advice I'll probably be going with TJM
Hey Adam, how does the auto locker influence the Troopy's gravel road (corrugation) handling and characteristics? I want to get an auto locker, but I'm wondering if this is an issue
Hey mate, certainly makes it a bit more interesting haha locker comes in and out so your steering will go heavy randomly I wouldn't say its the worst thing ever, but it does make driving around in gravel when it's in 4wd a bit different haha I wouldn't get an auto locker if I didn't have a 2wd option
Hey mate, just wondering if I could have some help on what 4x4 I should get. And also id love to do a 4x4 trip with you and the boys. Im based south Queensland and would love a trip away with you bunch. Cheers
Don't know if you already got one but if your looking to do serious shit like them solid axles are usually the way to go, so like landcruiser's, patrols and the older hiluxs are all pretty good
What auto locker are on running mate? 4wd systems Lokka, a Detroit, or something else? I mean, I know they are all pretty similar but it's always good to see other people's experiences
Front and rear ARB air lockers....... don't be fooled by LSD. It's just a fancy open diff. If you can only afford one go rear. 90% I use rear only other 10 is through narly stuff and twin is best. Saving money on repairs everytime I go 4wding. Best part is showing patrols and other land cruisers how it's done in a prado.
@@volcanic5187 mate 100% it's the best investment I've made for off-road. Don't just stop at cv's. Less wear and tear on everything. Stuff I would've had to full send to make it, I now crawl over it. I did the Billy goat ridge track a few months back......with ease, even the two new tracks.
@@volcanic5187 also to go with that was underbody protection is a must, I went ARB. First trip out saved me a Brocken sump. 2inch lift is good as well and take side steps off, they just get smashed. All does cost alot but worth it.
@@120pradotwnlockr3 Yeah sweet got most of that stuff just trying to figure which locker to go with first, 4wd action done a vid recently and reckon for an IFS go with a front locker first, my lsd seems to work ok in the rear even at 220,000 klm but not 100% positive it works well.
@@volcanic5187look I use my rear most of the time and engage front when needed due to its hard to steer when front are locked. I got both at same time so I can only judge by what I use more. My opinion will be rear first. Also when doing hill climbs most of the weight is on the rear, so I wouldn't won't any slip even if it's limited. Hope it helps ask away mate happy to help.
had an auto locker in the rear used to be a pain when doing u-turns on the hard top as it would try and lock up if you if you accelerated to much also when ever i changed the diff oil it would allway's have a metallic look to it not sure if it was the auto locker that caused that or my diff was on it's way out
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This is by no means scientific 😂 what do you think?
Adam Reed getting up that mud hill had a lot to do with momentum...
Great video 😉
G'day Adam, love your vids. I've got a HDJ79 ute, what is the name and brand of locker, and do you rate it?
In your first attempt, was your front lockers on? Coz i only saw 1 wheel spining
@@MeanMāoriM3an the 80 not ,the 70 was.
sliders/scrub bars look really good finish the bar work nicely
I think it was better if you did the front locker test with the same car. But I also agree that front locker is much more useful than rear locker for climbing rock steps. With the rear locker you'll be only be pushed side to side, especially in muddy conditions.
Few thoughts here,
With the front locker engaged you still
Have the lsd in the back helping it along. With a rear locker you only have an open in the front.
But I always kinda thought whilst climbing you have all the weight at the rear so why not have that locked up? And while going down a sketchy hill you can lock the rear Diff and it’ll keep the rear end striaght and stop it sliding around under compression...In saying all that I’ve got a auto locker from and lsd rear combo in me gu and it’s mint lol
You forget that a Toyota doesn't have a working rear LSD. We Patrol owners are accustomed to being able to go most places with just a front autolocker and the working LSD. Going down sketchy hills in the Patrol it's best to use the handbrake for rotation control of all 4 wheels. I sometimes wonder if a rear locker would be worth the cost for my Patrol, but never needed one. Putting the cost towards portals would be better :)
What toyota doesn't have lsd ?
Im a hilux guy (06) and for the 20 years to it they're lsd
They have one but there terrible 😒
@@shanevonharten3100 They leave the factory with what Toyota describes as an LSD, but by the time you have driven around the block it no longer works.
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What a great demo, I just picked up a new Beast that has front and rear lockers, I can't wait to get out there and make a video of it just a tad bit much snow on the ground right now...fingers crossed for the weekend forecast 🤞
Here’s a good tip if u have an lsd rear diff get a front locker the lsd kind of acts like a locker but if u have an ifs vehicle I recommend getting a front locker because your not likely to loft your front wheels then u are to loft your rear wheels so front locker first in any car I think personally
Front locker with rear LSD is the preference. Remember with a rear locker you have an open diff prior to locking so you’ll constantly be locking the rear.
Triple locked yet I almost never use them
My dedicated 4b has got a cigweld locker, cheap not that easy to install but strong as and no wires or springs! hahaha
lol
Not locker related but Sam's head lights are they any good over the factory one's
Nick Webb no still shit as hahah
Thanks for that’s guys coz I just got twin lockers installed in my patrol and I’m waiting for the time to go and try them 👍😎
How well would a 4.88 Axle Ratio work with 40" tall tires on a relatively high horsepower (500HP+) Truck/Jeep/SUV? Would it be okay? What about acceleration and mpg? Thanks
Does the auto locker click if say? your hubs are locked in but the transfer is in 2wd, like in a modern IFS ute?
Yes they will do, so long as the CV shafts are spinning. But they should unlock easier because you don't have driven power forcing the locker to lock up harder.
I think the first test you did on the flat ground with the opposing holes the lockers are equally as effective, up sand and maybe mud hills where you need constant power and momentum I think a rear will help you more because that’s where more weight will be and I think slower or shorter obstacles a front can help you more because it can then help pull the vehicle over the obstacle. But that all depends on the car and especially the wheel base imo
Just wondering how the auto lokka works in 4high, is it engaged or only in 4low?
Surfer Andy the Auto locker will automatically lock in any gear, the best way to describe it is a very very tight lsd that unlocks when turning or off throttle
4 low and 4 high activates the Auto Lokka as both 4wd modes send power to the front wheels.
Tyson Collier unless you have one in the rear on in a full time 4wd car like mine
Please use the correct description! On the rear both of you have manual full lockers but in front you have a special kind of locker! It is non other than the mighty Detroit (or Aussie) locker! Unlocked when it needs to be unlocked and locked at all the other times!
I have A limited slip 8.5 for my 85 square body and I'm researching what to do.
I'm thinking front locker first.
In a patrol reshimed lsd and a front e locker is the go 👌
Do you ever get worried that you will roll the troopy cause they are kinda top heavy? I use to have a 75 series troopy and it felt sketchy off road. What are your thoughts?
I agree my troopy is pretty batshit scary on angles
If price didn't matter would you still go with your auto locker or would u have put an elocker in the front
I would probably go with an e locker if I wasn't worried about money, sometimes having the locker always engaged can be annoying and I would assume its a bit stronger
But so far a $400 part has gotten me the same places that an e-locker would 🤷♂️
On the front diff of the troopy what locker do u have? Lokka, air or e-locker? What kind on the rear diff?
Thanks
Cheers
This also depends on the vehicles weight distribution.
Great video as per usual 👍 How does the auto front locker go in soft sand? Does it push alot and make it understeer when you're on the power or is it smart enough to unlock and drive as if it was standard?
It locks when it is under load so it would understeer a lot
@@livin4x4 yeah I figured
Hi guys! Nice video... I am in the process of doing some upgrades to my 78 series troopy. What brand auto locker is installed in the troopy and have the sway bars been removed on this video? Cheers!
i love the bar on the troopy
What kind of front locker did adam have? i want to put one in my N80 lux.
What lockers would you recommend Adam/Sam? There's harrop and arb and TJM. TJM seems like the best to go for
Honestly we don't have enough experience with them all to give you good advice
Sorry we can't be of much help there
If it's worth anything, when I put a rear locker in the troopy, going off of other people's advice I'll probably be going with TJM
TJM pro locker is the strongest on the market. Check out what the non sponsored racers & rock crawlers r using most r TJM. I am NOT sponsored by TJM
Hey Adam, how does the auto locker influence the Troopy's gravel road (corrugation) handling and characteristics? I want to get an auto locker, but I'm wondering if this is an issue
Hey mate, certainly makes it a bit more interesting haha locker comes in and out so your steering will go heavy randomly
I wouldn't say its the worst thing ever, but it does make driving around in gravel when it's in 4wd a bit different haha I wouldn't get an auto locker if I didn't have a 2wd option
Thanks for your honesty. Cheers
did you lose any fuel mileage with the front lokka adam??
Hey mate, just wondering if I could have some help on what 4x4 I should get. And also id love to do a 4x4 trip with you and the boys. Im based south Queensland and would love a trip away with you bunch. Cheers
Don't know if you already got one but if your looking to do serious shit like them solid axles are usually the way to go, so like landcruiser's, patrols and the older hiluxs are all pretty good
What front locka is in the Troopy
Good demonstration, thanks.
when under power auto lockers tend not to disengage so in something soft your front locker will under steer
What's a good locker brand and style for jeep yj
Thanks for the demo..very informative..
Did you ever do a video on Sam’s suspention setup?
Søren Vinter no but it’s just a 2inch lift that’s pretty broken and needs replacing hahah
Sounds just great, haha!
Would still be Nice if you did some videos of the cars and upgrades 😉
awesome vid guys well done
What kind of front locker does Adam have?
what tyre size was everyone running on this trip
185/35/12
What kind of locker do you have in the front. :)
Me turning with a front locker.
My locker: the fuck you are
You should try turning on the road with lockers in!
Why would you want to do that?
@@T1000.Android just cause
Sounds like an all round bad time haha
What auto locker are on running mate? 4wd systems Lokka, a Detroit, or something else? I mean, I know they are all pretty similar but it's always good to see other people's experiences
Hey mate, the brand I'm using is lokka, don't really know what differences are between the brands haha
Can we turn the car while the front locker is on....?
nice tutorial fellas
I've got front but no rear lockers. I gotta take care or that
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Huh?
why do I think suspension flex is sexy ?
Cool video Lads
Thank you,
Thank you for the informative video! ;-)
You need body lift
Edit it hits the the guard so yeah
front auto locker rear limited slip😎
Good vid guys, I'm looking at a ARB air locker for my hilux, about NZ $2400 fitted. For one 😫
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Front and rear ARB air lockers....... don't be fooled by LSD. It's just a fancy open diff. If you can only afford one go rear. 90% I use rear only other 10 is through narly stuff and twin is best. Saving money on repairs everytime I go 4wding. Best part is showing patrols and other land cruisers how it's done in a prado.
Hey chief, I have a 120 also, do you think a locker in the front diff will help prevent breaking cv's, axles etc
@@volcanic5187 mate 100% it's the best investment I've made for off-road. Don't just stop at cv's. Less wear and tear on everything. Stuff I would've had to full send to make it, I now crawl over it. I did the Billy goat ridge track a few months back......with ease, even the two new tracks.
@@volcanic5187 also to go with that was underbody protection is a must, I went ARB. First trip out saved me a Brocken sump. 2inch lift is good as well and take side steps off, they just get smashed. All does cost alot but worth it.
@@120pradotwnlockr3 Yeah sweet got most of that stuff just trying to figure which locker to go with first, 4wd action done a vid recently and reckon for an IFS go with a front locker first, my lsd seems to work ok in the rear even at 220,000 klm but not 100% positive it works well.
@@volcanic5187look I use my rear most of the time and engage front when needed due to its hard to steer when front are locked. I got both at same time so I can only judge by what I use more. My opinion will be rear first. Also when doing hill climbs most of the weight is on the rear, so I wouldn't won't any slip even if it's limited. Hope it helps ask away mate happy to help.
Interesting
Wrong line
had an auto locker in the rear used to be a pain when doing u-turns on the hard top as it would try and lock up if you if you accelerated to much also when ever i changed the diff oil it would allway's have a metallic look to it not sure if it was the auto locker that caused that or my diff was on it's way out
auto lockers like a detroit locker only put in a 70 series where you can disengage the 4x4.