Lunchbox Lockers - Everything You Need To Know!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ต.ค. 2020
- Today we talk about everything you need to know about Lunchbox Lockers! Powertrax Lock Right, Detroit, Aussie Locker, Spartan, and all Lunchbox Lockers. Easy first upgrade to go further and further on the 4wd trail off-road!
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I put a Lock-Right in a 93 2wd Toyota pickup I used to have everything else was factory, no lift, 195/75 R14 snow tires and 300 pounds in the bed for the winter. I went places in the snow and mud that no other 2wd could get to, and proved a lot of guys with lifted 4wd's on 33's wrong about where my little 2wd Toyota could go before it ran out of ground clearance.
This video helped me understand this type of locker much better! I was really overwhelmed because it seemed very confusing to me but the way you described it was very clear. I was planning on putting a lunchbox locker in the front of my jeep so I was concerned when you seemed to only talk about having one in the rear, but then you included some insight from people who have them in the front too and that helped me a ton! Thank you! Definitely subscribing
dope video, for folks on a budget spartans front and rear are where its at, $500-600 and you've got dual lockers that are fine with 35s and dual cases
Great content, hope you make more videos like this. I got lucky on my ‘85 because the previous owner installed an ARB air locker on the rear. It has an Aussie locker up front and I’ve really grown to like that setup... has got me through a lot over the years.
I have one in my 71 CJ5 and it saved me literally yesterday! It's annoying on the street, but off-road it's amazing.
I usually go front lunchbox and rear open on a budget build. Keeps your on road manners but gives a great off-road boost.
I run an Aussie in the front of my Scout II, with a Powr-Lok in the rear. Works very well off-road. Steering is a little strange though. More hand and arm effort needed for sure.
My 85 came with a spool in the rear. Chirped all the time, wore down tires, and I was sways afraid of shattering it whenever I had to make a “U” turn. Thanks for the awesome content!
It is really cool seeing you guys all off road Toyota Tacoma's together. Me and a few friends all have 96 ranger 4x4s and we all plan on building them just like yours. We do the same kind of off-roading You have me convinced on the lunchbox locker. Thank you!
I run a Spartan locker in my front axle with 38s and love it. I can turn in the rocks and still power up anything
I've had a powertrax in the back axle of my trail duster for about 2 years now . I will be installing another one in my front axle in the next couple of weeks. The one in my back axle has survived 35-in tires and a 440, haven't had any problems.
I subscribed, thank you. You seem honest. I just purchased a 4" suspension lift, 35-17-12.5 KO2's on Mickey Thompson Classic rims, DV8 front bumper with Evo winch mount, rear Fab4 bumper with spare tire carrier..I have factory 3.73's in my 06' Taco. I am putting both front and rear lockers in...and this settled my decision. Lock rite lockers are going in my little Taco...I drove Chevy 4x4's all along..I'm 56...but I once owned an 83: Taco...and saw the wheeling difference...I spent almost more on accessories for my Taco than what it cost me...but it's all good....my little Taco will go where only jeeps may keep up with me..
Thanks again...your info made my mind up for me.
.good thanks again buddy...oh ya. I'm from up Northeast...Nova Scotia ,Canada...4 seasons of completely different weather...rocks.mud.snow...we have it all.
Just found your channel, great vid. I have a 90 Toy PU with a Detroit in the rear. It made a big difference driving on and off-road. Yes, driving on pavement took some learnin' but I've had for so long now I don't really have to think about it much. And yes, I have a MT. Will be watching more vids.
The only negative of running lunch box lockers is all the wanna be mechanics telling you that your U Joints are bad while pulling in a parking lot. If you run lockers you know what I'm talking about.
All the reactions i've gotten in my volvo 940 with an aussie locker 🤣🤣
@@hondarocks32 fellow brickster 🤘
@@Mastermindyoung14 oh yes 👋🏻😁
If I had $1 for every time a guy at a gas station tell me that lol
The ratcheting sound
hello there thanks for the helpful vid! Just bought one of these (powertrax lockrite ) Would you happen to know where these are made?
i think i want that shirt!!! i ran a welded diff for a couple of years and thats honestly your best bang for buck if youre on a budget lol
Yep, totally agree.. thanks for the video. They are just as good in the front.
I run a Aussie locker on the rear axle of my 2 door JK, and I love it when I need it, BUT I also get alot of weird looks from the people walking on the streets and also my neighbors when Im making turns. Sometimes it does lock up and unlocks around turns and it sounds like I broke a tooth off my ring gear.... 😂 at that point, they look at me like ouch.
Theyre a great cheap option, but there also is a driving style you have to adopt when turning so it doesnt lock up on you. Basically gain momentum before making a turn, go into neutral, if you have a stick shift lol, and then make the turn, then re-engage the throttle to keep moving forward.
Love mine in my ZJ. They are loud, but you get use to it. Definitely worth it off road.
@96 grand cherokee laredo I don't daily drive my ZJ anymore, but I am very impressed with the road manners. I'm not sure how one in the front would do, but in the rear, I think it does great. You need to remember it stays locked 99% of the time. You can force it to unlock in tight corners, but that is if you are accelerating in a turn (causes it to bang and its loud).
I run a lunchbox in the front of my YJ and I just leave the passenger side hub locked in and the drivers side hub unlocked until it gets really tough then I lock in the drivers hub, On the street I unlock both hubs and it’s better than an open diff. Good video Guy!
I plan to do the same to the front of my samurai as well
i have a lunchbox on my front dana 30. on the inside of my jeep it has a knob with D 2 1 . when you put it in 4 wheel drive with the lever do u match the lever with the knob? i ran it on the hwy in 4 wheel drive and it pulls really really hard to the left about every 100 feet is that normal?
Gave y’all a thumbs up and subscribed. Awesome video! Very well explained.
Looking to do front and back in my 2010 Ford Explorer. How often would you say it locks up and chirps you around a corner?
As a daily driver, once a day ? More? less?
Thanks for the content
Thanks for the sub! It locks up every single corner if you are giving it throttle through, but the second you let off it is open. Not ideal front and rear in a daily driver.
Really well edited video! Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
Thinking about one of these for my 13 Nissan Titan SV... tired of the one tire fire digging me a grave. I think itll turn that truck into a total beast though. It's got so much torque and suspension flex it should be a good crawler. Is it the same part for front and rear?
I've had a spartan locker in my 8.8 for 4 years now. I love it
That is awesome!
Great vid. Spot on
That’s it!! You helped me make up my mind👌🏼
Glad I could help!
Hey Bro, I have a land cruiser 78 troopy where can I find a lunchbox or aussie locker? Thanks for you great vids!
I have been driving my Hardbody with a 5spd manual trans and LockRite in the rear axle since 2005. Locker manufacturers don't recommend installing a mechanical locker in the rear if you have a manual trans because you will have to drive differently on pavement, when taking tight turns, like in a parking lot. Either you will need to coast the turn with the clutch depressed in, or you will need to give the engine throttle (with the clutch pedal out) during the turn.
I would not suggest a lunchbox locker to anyone with manual
I had an 87 350 chev cammed autoloader front and back. No issues.
Need one for my TJ!!! Thanks!
13 hours later, and they're all out of stock.
I have an Aussie Locker in the rear and have another one on my shelf to put in the front. I have an 89 with 37s and the rear works REALLY well. I love it. I will let you know what I think of the front one when I get it installed.
How did it go? I have a spartan in the front of my 99 TJ and I’m considering replacing the rear stock LSD with an auto locker (Spartan or Aussie). I live in Hawaii, it’s not my daily anymore
Hello, I would like to know if you have any experience or know anything about a rear lock on an automatic Ford Explorer. Thank you
great vid! currently working on my 89 jeep yj wrangler, def leaning for a lunchbox 'cause ooo she loves to spin when out in the bush. i'm also a BC baby, would love a group run in the future if you're in the valley!!
20 should i put a lunch box locker in my 2000 tundra thats a daily/offroad rig
Great video! I just ordered my lunchbox locker for the front and rear of my Land Cruiser 80 series! It has a selectable 4x4 system. Quick question about the drivability on-road. I live in a hill-y area, is it okay to drive up inclines with turns? Will the lockers in the rear lock-up while I go up inclines while turning? Thanks!
Would like to know this answer as well. Looking to put something on my 2011 ram 2500 but I do carry payloads and tow regularly. Got stuck one wheeling in the rear while in 4 low
Just installed in rear of tj and it feels like frame twist when I take off from stop
Do luncheon lockers increase fuel usage being locked all the time..
Do they disengage when turning left and right..
New to 4x4,s
Do the lockers ratcheting system work in reverse as well??
I have run a lunch box locker for 10 years my CJ7. It sucks on the road, but that's is largely due to having a manual transmission. Automatic transmissions have a little more slop in them taking the sideways lurching out of the torque application.
Great vid man👍🏼 the taco’s gettin a lunchbox
I NEED HELPPPPP!!!! I have my 2001 chevy blazer LS 4x4... is my not so daily driver( from home to work, 3 times a week) but i also use it for off roading not so crazy... trails and water crossings... what lockers can you recommend??? Would a lunchbox locker be ok???... thank you soo much.
I agree with everything bar one. Lunchbox locker in the front before the rear always. You are far more likely to lose traction in the front well before the rear and you are far more likely to lift a front wheel rather than a rear
That is why I said selectable up front, lunchbox in the rear.
So it will be good for a hot rod?
It doesn't seem like it would matter but would you have any problems running the same locker in a high pinion third member?
Have one in my 99ltd 4Runner in the front. Not good for snow, I want to rip it out and get a selectable for the front
I need to know where you get all of your Toyota shirt/jackets
I put a Spartan lock in the front diff of my 87 f150 manual hubs. Toughest 4x3 you ever saw. Drove it daily and played in every blizzard we had in the upper mid west. I played in mud, snow and ice and was not gentle with the truck. Front diff is where the weight is on a pick up that's where the traction belongs mud and snow.
You also don't get the side slipping that locked rear diffs cause.
Thanks for the video 👍
This info was really helpful, I just subscribed!
I own a 93 Suzuki Sidekick and I have been thinking about installing one of these in the rear. Diff. Thanks.
Ps I’m just down in western Washington, not far from you 👍
Thanks for subscribing. Glad I could help inform you on whether a lunchbox is right for your Suzuki.
Ive got a Suz Grand vitara (02) and just got one, not installed yet though. I got mine from 4xfourart over in turkey. they have aparrently modified their locker to work better on Zuks as they are a zuk specialist for over 20 years.
Not sure what they would charge shipping to you though, but the locker is not big at all and not too heavy.
I got a 1987 samurai and just put 2 lockers in it. It changed the game for offroading in my samurai just be warned that if you put one in the front it is amazing for traction just turning is impossible while driving! Still an amazing upgrade
I have a Vitara (JDM version of Sidekick) with Detroit Locker in the rear. For me, since Suzuki is not very well sound-proved, very small and rear axel is very near the driver, you will hear the ratcheting sound during turn a bit louder than other truck, but that is unnoticeable with radio turn on.
BUT in highspeed turn with gas paddle apply and then the locker decides to unlock (every time going on highway on-ramp), the banging sound is actually quite loud and every passengers always wonder if the car had a brake down.
However, this locker is the best upgrade for my rig, even more useful than a 3" lifted-kit that I installed earlier.
Good choice of machinery!
Aussie lockers are fantastic.
The pic at 2:27 looks like Whipsaw creek. Great video, thanks.
How well do they work when you put the truck in for low with a marlin crawler do they still lock at low speeds?
I have a 4.7 low range in my 86 runner with a lunch box locker in the rear. It has always stayed locked when I'm crawling.
I guess I’m confused. If this were to be installed in the front diff would it always be “activated” and ratcheting, even when in 2wd. Or would it only “activate” when 4wd is engaged
Is it possible to put one of these in a 2021 Toyota Tacoma TRD Sport 4x4 Double cab? The sport does not come with a locking diff like the off road model, so I'm curious if this is a good substitute or would you recommend something else?
Absolutely possible. But I would honestly just buy a locking diff from a junkyard and swap it in for your case
What’s the difference between Spartan, Aussie, and lock rite? Is that the brand or design is different?
Another add bonus over an lsd is no need for posi additive in the rears. Can save money and run just straight gear lube. I found instead of 80/90wt. Running 75/140wt does kinda cushion the ratcheting noises of the lunchbox locker. I can't use a locker on the front of my lil chevy s10 truck because of it being IFS and a tiny carrier size with 26 spline count axles. So open diff up front, locker out back. Love your vids by the way. Thinking next truck will be a 90's toyota for a trail rig and keeping the 04 S10 crewcab as my daily mall crawling pavement princess lol.
Good information, I just bought it, I will put the 75/140, did you use synthetic or mineral?
I added lock-rite to my 91 Toyota , lots of miles later still love it.
forgot to tell it was 25 years ago
@@als484 Wow very long time! Does the ratcheting noise eventually become quieter? At least for the rear?
@@mikeypotts4732 not much quieter,
@@mikeypotts4732 you have to change your driving habits for corners.
What is a good inexpensive (budjet minded) lunch box locker to use? Amazon $185.00 to Spartsn $560.00. For a 98 jeep xj 4wd. Do you run them front and rear?
Im kind of new in the Toyota world. Current projects are my 80 and 85 pickups. The 80 is my hunting, fishing, and junkyard rig. The 85 is going to be my wheeler. I like how you did the front spring hanger. Doesn't hang low like other builds. I like how low your truck sits also. Could you fill me in on some info about yours? Tire size and front leafs mostly. I plan on running chevy 63s in the rear of my 85 and front spring setup close to yours.
Sure! Trailgear 3" lift springs, bottom 2 leafs are removed for more flex, lower and softer ride. And I have 2" OME springs in the rear. 37" tires
I now want to put a locker in the 1st gen 87 4runner I just got.
Ive noticed the noise and they lock up when they aren't supposed to every so often but my spider gears were shot and a locker was the same price as new gears so it was a no brainier I kind dig the noise it sounds broken 😂
Very cool Just subscribed
Can I ask a dumb question? If you have a SFA and manual locking hubs, when you shift into 4WD and lock the hubs are both tires locked together or do you still need a seperate locker like this?
Your manual locking hubs are not lockers. It's still a open front differential and tires will spin separately.
What about a lunchbox locker in the rear of a 2WD for a hunting rig that will see rough access roads and gravel a lot in the fall and winter?
They should call them automatic unlocking. They're always locked until the rotational difference becomes too great.
I put one in 20 yrs ago in my fj60 rear diff still going.
Best first mod for off road?
Tires
I'm looking to do a trip from SC to Moab UT, to CO, and back. I'm considering these, but wonder how well they'll hold up on such a long trip? Thoughts? Suggestions appreciated!
I know so much now. Ps. I love the background
I don't really understand how it works. Why does it lock when spinning and not lock while cornering ?
How about on a full time 4x4 that can't go into 2WD for street driving?
Spool in front axle is good with locking hubs
Its definitely not ideal. But it is manageable with locking hubs.
Hey man just orderd it so u 're used 2 of the spider gears ?
Yes! The side gears.
Lunchbox up front, LSD rear in my Jeep. I would have gone with a rear one instead but around me you need a front locker. The rear cant push you up and over a slippery tree that's down across the trail. Especially when that tree is on a angle and it's impossible to get both front tires to touch it at the same time. My lunchbox locker was less than 400 Canadian on Amazon.
Did you use a front Lunchbox Locker too?
Good video,new sub
Where do I get that shirt?
I’m blessed to have a friend that got a grizzly Locker and passed it down to me , I don’t hear it lock or unlock but same principle with the turning if I don’t gas it around the turn it doesn’t chirp the tires but if I take off in a turn I’m probably going to chirp them 99% of the time
Wicked! I rarely hear or feel mine. But as I mentioned when I do it's really aggressive. Could just be a Lock Right thing though.
@@DirtGarage my buddy has one in the front and has broken many cv axles , and Iv road with him those unlock sounds are terrible sounds like it’s destroying itself 😂 but it’s just keeeps tricking along.
I think those are soft lockers like a detroit and are a little smoother
@@pacific4x444 way more expensive that’s for sure
Would it be a remotely good idea if someone used selectable (air,electric) lockers on the front axle and either detroit or grizzly lockers in the rear axle? Since the front axle could easily be converted to an open differential with the simple push of a button, and technically, the rear axle would not be a spool or locked all of the time. Thanks
Turning in 4WD High and Low with the locker in the front, that’s my question!!!
rear locker is one of my favorite upgrades I did to my rig. would love to see a walk around/build breakdown on that diesel.
Shoulda done a front locka, pull the heavy part of your car up first rather than pushing
@@samtimo3002 i have snow in the winter to deal with, and don't like how the front can mess with handling in that situation, so that's why i went with a rear first. eventually Ill have both.
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Didn’t like mine any kind of turn you had to push in the clutch or it would buck and jerk pretty badly
My Truck comes with a Torsen rear diff. If I buy a locker would it be better it I replace my front open diff instead?
Keep the Torsen and use the brakes to find traction of you lift a wheel. I'd only put a lunchbox locker in the front if you have manual hubs.
@@jonny_panic electric auto locking hubs... it's an 07 ford ranger. why only if I have manual?
The solid axle directly results in more flex which directly results in less of the limited slip actually slipping because the wheels doesnt try to lift as soon as it starts to flex. So saying that theres no advantage until you get a locker is really wild.
Just my experience. No point in the extra articulation if your truck can't even take advantage of it. Also the solid axle is open from factory, not limited slip.
@@DirtGarage lol okay man. Thats why i walk past these dumb ifs setups with no locker in my axles huh? 🤔 proof is in the pudding not on paper. Yes lockers obviously help but solid axle vs ifs is night and day difference and youre coping hard if you try and say its not lol.
Awesome! I've got a steep unpaved driveway and a 93 2wd Toyota pickup with a 22re. The driveway turns into an ice waterfall in the winter and I had a really hard time getting up it last winter. Like every time... it was horrid... I've been looking into lunchbox lockers as a way of coping with this, but I'm a bit concerned about sliding sideways. Would you recommend a lunchbox locker or tire chains for a steep, ice-covered, unpaved driveway from hell ;)? Thanks!
Denfinetley try chains first lunchboxes are hard to drive with and have a possibility of being dangerous
@@pacific4x444 Thanks for the reply! I ordered chains, which are here now and fit perfectly, and have hesitated on the locker. Haven't had to use them yet, but I'm feeling much better about the driveway already.
@@pacific4x444 Have now tried the chains during a raging snowstorm, and tonight on the standard ice-waterfall that my driveway becomes at this time of the year. So far the chains have performed beautifully - the only issue I've had is that I'm still getting used to putting them on. I'm close to having that down pat now.
@@jamiebrake514 awesome to hear the lsd in my truck in 2wd gets hairy if you hit the gas hard or if you get the tires spinning you go sideways pretty easy
I’d get pretty tired of chaining up and down at the end of my driveway
Definitely no spool in the rear, unless your rolling a trailer queen. I’m running a stock selectable locker from a 04’ Tacoma in the rear, and running a lunchbox in the front. Been using this setup now for four years without any regrets.
Would you run a spartan in the front ?
I currently am running a Spartan (lunch box) locker in the front, combined with 5.29 gear sets. The set up has worked well for me for many years.
@@SOLDADITO76 cool thanks , I have spartan in the rear same 5.29 , was looking and thinking what to put in the front ppl said stay away with that set up but if the hubs aren't open it shouldn't matter
I heard both, works good in the front, never run it in the front. I have driven hubs locked in 2h had no issues. I did this having to run to the store after a heavy snow fall. One thing I will say hubs locked in 2wd or 4wd you will feel resistance while turning, or that could be just me because I'm not running high steer yet.
I would ask for the reason why not to run it in the front. Could be they installed it wrong. I had brought my front and rear carriers with new ring and pinion set to a diff shop before I installed my Tacoma rear end, no problems as of yet.
The problems associated with a LL in the front can be alleviated by not running in 4WD on the street. I have them, front and rear, in my Chevy K10 where they've given exemplary service for nine years and 40K miles. I only go into 4HI or 4LO when I know I'll be needing them in the next half mile......
Do you have manual hubs or the auto locking on the k10
I ran a spool in the rear and a detroit in the front. 100% trail rig. Worked great. But your statements are accurate!
If you had lockable hubs on a lunch boxed front axle, would it be better to just run one hub locked in the ice and snow?
No, it will pull to one side every time you hit the gas.
@@Lray4x4 I could see that on a turn, but in a straight line why would that be any different than an open diff?
@@chriswilson1098 Because if you only have the left side hub locked when you press the gas all the torque will be going to that wheel, and it will pull to the right.
Lunchbox locker in the rear diff ONLY if you do not drive on the road. If you do, the rear will be getting destroyed. I learned this myself. E-lockers or Air-lockers are the better choice.
Ive got spartan lockers f/r in my shitbox. Holds up to tons of abuse I'll shatter a birf before I break the carrier or locker 👍
Curious, do these lock up under engine braking, or only positive torque?
Engine braking too I think
Only positive torque, when there is torque applied from the driveshaft.
These bastards will lockup with strong engine braking and acceleration. I daily mine and i hated the way it drove in corners, aspecially on wet or slippery roads. I now run Airlockers front and rear and that is what i prefer.
I bought a diff with a lunch box locker 2nd hand for dirt cheap and had it in for 6months then swaped my open diff back. Saved some money for a while and bought complete diff's with ARB's and 4.88's installed by Marlin Crawler.
But there seem to be a lot of people who like there lunchbox lockers. Or they just like the price more.
My advise when you daily it, if you have the money or time to save some go for air lockers or a e-locker for at least the rear axle. Lunchbox in the front doesn't matter when your wheelhubs are unlocked. But if you want to control when it locks and unlocks ditch the idea of a lunchbox locker.
@@sebastiaanpeters7358 That's kind of what I was wondering about. I can imagine a situation going around a curve under engine braking where you go from a fully open diff to a fully locked diff unexpectedly. If that happened you might need to be ready with some counter-steer before things start to go sideways. I guess the obvious solution is to try not to do that in gear. Haha.
@@cafn8ed74 yep you have to learn to drive with them if you get one they arent as unpredictable if you driven with one
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Can you put lunchbox lockers to a 1986 Toyota pick up truck 4x4
Yup. Front and rear
Bad ass
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Mornin!
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The beauty of toyota is you can buy a used e-locker and wiring for the same price as the lunchbox locker
I actually picked up my elocker for a case of beer 😅 The actuator I picked up for $100 used though.
@@DirtGarage you cant beat that
BC native, sweet