Worlds Deadliest Sniper or Biggest Troll?
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People are not annoyed by the fact that they might be rusty or that they might just be trying to put on a show as social media influencers. They are annoyed by their pompous arrogance and incompetence, while acting as though they are an authority on the topic when they are clearly in over their heads. Anyone with a trained eye who watches this is going to question their credentials after watching the way they zeroed their weapon. When you are a part of a community, it's easy to tell when someone speaks your language and understands what you mean or is just a pretender who is trying to look the part. This is something that applies across all fields whether its fitness, gaming, business, or in this case the rifle marksmanship community. These guys came off as very novice shooters, who maybe have some experience with shooting, but limited long distance precision shooting. I'm not gonna unsult them by saying they acted like guys who've watched a lot of movies and played too much call of duty, but they were definitely in that ballpark.
Plus they were shooting at targets 300-500 yards out with high end bolt action rifles with scopes. That's not even considered long range. They teach shooting out to 500 yards using iron sights in basic training, these distances should be child's play.
And what is your credentials?
When I was in we trained 308 with iron sights out to 600 yards
300 yards in basic training
At least that's what it is in the army which this guy was in, not sure what marines do. Depending on your unit in the army you could shoot further, I believe rangers shot to 500 yards but that's not in basic training
It isn't the first time Lunkers has been an absolutely abysmal spotter for another shooter. I don't doubt Nick's ability, he's public enough at this point that so many people would've outed him as a liar at this point. Lunkers on the other hand, I don't understand it. Everything you said is 100% right, this is basic stuff that should be like reflexive to him but it doesn't seem to be.
It's 100% true that military service alone doesn't automatically make anyone a good shooter but these guys aren't just your average 11Bs, they would've memorized all this stuff in sniper school.
That said, our military today relies heavily on top of the line ultra expensive gear, stuff the average hobby shooter isn't going to spend a couple months rent buying. Without all that tech, some of them are pretty much mediocre at best, even though they shouldn't be.
Best Sniper I know is Bob Lee Swagger, he was deserted while on a mission and his spotter died. But he was able to take down the heli that killed him.
😂 😂
Bob lee is fake a character name used for a movie the story if fictional Carlos Hathcock how ever is real a Vietnam Marine NCO that is Non Commissioned Officer who has 93 confirmed kills which the Bob lee characteris inspired from. For impactshooting to like the Bob lee comment just shows how little he actually knows
@@Dean341 uh duh its called a joke.
@@ictrlaltdeleteu aaah so funny
@@Dean341 look up….it went over your head
Former soldier here, non SF. They're a disorganised mess. Your run-of-the-mill grunt knows how to provide more meaningful corrections: "Come right two points of aim," "Splash one metre below target," etc. Give the shooter a reference for relative to the point of aim and they can adjust their zero (or shot placement) accordingly. This is par for the course for Lunker's videos, lots of screwing around, little (or no) preparation and a long runtime. At least the swearing is military grade.
Lunkers was force recon not even SOF my theory is nick former ranger was just being humble and not showing him up on his own channel after he let him promote his new book. Recon guys are known for telling everyone they are snipers cuz they went to a school once and never used their long guns
@@gavinD1219 Its hard to watch ANY of the Lunker dudes videos ...he comes off as REALLY douchey IMO in the few videos Ive watched on his channel !
@@gavinD1219 pretty sure he was Army. Said in one of the few videos I watched of his he was an Army sniper and used the M24 but it’s been a while and I could be wrong.
@@thomassellers3813 I believe you are correct and that’s why he bought a M24
I think lunkers attended a basic designated marksman school, not a classic "rear sniper program", from what I understand he was somehow attached to a group that contained SOF members and he carried a SCAR 17 mostly... I think Lunkers is purposefully misrepresenting his actual military record in order for social media influence, The Nick guy seems to not be misrepresenting his service, although I haven't looked into the "most deadly" claims, Nick seems genuine and like he was pulled into the spotlight by his "friends" wanting to use his credentials and service record to boost their own greed and fame... Just my opinion. Lunkers ex-wife can attest to his character as well...
The big thing you’re missing here is that the world of professional/competitive marksmen is completely different than combat marksmen/snipers…. I’m a gunsmith in Texas and have regularly worked with guys who place in king of the two mile as well as some combat snipers ….. in my experience the competitive guys tend to outshoot and out run the combat guys at that type of shooting…. The biggest strengths of the combat sniper is the ability to make calls and adjustments on the fly in extremely stressful situations….. most spotter sniper pairs develop personal jargon that allows them to communicate quickly while only having to imply information without always having to be explicit…. Just throwing in a new spotter or a new shooter into the mix won’t get the same results ….. Lunkers isn’t a great spotter….. but Nick is a great shooter ….. but like I said combat snipers are a different world from competitive guys ….. I’d rather have the competitive guy on a hunt….. but I’d rather have the combat sniper with me if the things I’m shooting are shooting back ……
I hear what you are saying but they were not making calls and adjustments on the fly, they changed their measurements and took way too many rounds to get to Zero. It was just a bad video, im sure Nik is alot better than that.
100%
@@capetownoke2780 They were just having fun on a Saturday morning. I think people take this video way too seriously.
@@wilfdarr Maybe, but at their "Level" you expect a little more professionalism. If you read the comments people really though thats the way you do it. Just because someone has been in the US military and seen combat doesnt mean they are above reproach! I love having fun on a Saturday with guns, we still keep it solid though.
@@capetownoke2780 I'm willing to cut them some slack: both these young men have seen "some shit": the fact that they're as well adjusted as they are is no small miracle. I'm not going to demand they be "professional" on a Saturday morning, in a video made for people's entertainment.
"I dont know why he's swearing so much" - In the US Army especially among the Infantry, swearing is a normal part of everyday life. Thats just how it is. So when we are among others we can identify with under a shared experience, we cuss a lot. It doesnt mean anything. We dont talk like this to everybody.
Yup, it's just a different dialect of American English.
This channel is a joke
Just found this video.
I have many family and friends who served and none of the special forces members act like these clowns.
They don't brag about killing people. They don't glorify the numbers they have. They don't make videos for million plus people to pick apart their shortcomings.
Thank you for your efforts to share quality information and real lessons on safety and efficiency when handling firearms.
I would love for you to show some carbine (16-18") barreled AR platform distance shooting. Like 5.56/.223 or .300blk, etc.
Kept up the good stuff.
300BLK incoming
Yeah, I watched a couple of their videos some time ago, entertaing at first, but anything military related they talk about started to sound fishy really quick, more so when you see them actually shoot
All these videos of Seals speaking on their kills but you somehow missed it. People die in war buddy, that's the nature of the business.
Man, I couldn't' finish that [original] video much less stomach a full reaction to it. Thanks for the video Pieter, your breakdown made it worthwhile.
EDIT: let us know when you're ever back in Texas :)
We have to have Pieter and Henry go head to head in a practical Accuracy!!
that sounds awesome!
Can we a have a colab with Pieter doing the whole 9 hole range?
@@IMPACTSHOOTING dude a colab with you and 9 hole review would be flippen epic
Peter Henry and Josh all doing a speedway run on 1 bolt and 1 gas gun would be legit
When I first watched Lunkers video I thought it was just 2 guys out having a good time shooting. It sucks if there are individuals out there that believe that's how long it actually takes to properly zero your set up however, I don't believe this video showed their true abilities to seriously get a rifle ready. I would love to see you do a video with Nic or Rob and give them a fair showing. Thanks for all of the excellent videos you put out!
I haven't watched Lunker's video, but I've seen several of Nick's, as well as ines he has done with Matt om Demolition Ranch, and he never seems to have these issues. Maybe they were drunk
Lunkers is largely known for goofing around...its not a serious shooting channel. The 3rd degree being given to this is absurd.
I would EMBARRASSED to even film this clusterfuck. much less post it.
@@ravissary79 Bro, this guy was a sniper? he is a joke. There is no wind and he couldn't hit shit
@@jasonmorgan27 dude you have no f-ing idea what you are talking about.. You need to do some serious research on reaper and then come back and apologize for your ignorant comment.
Definitely some questions. I watched this one when it originally came out and had some of the same reactions. The scope appears to be a Vortex Diamondback "Tactical" 4-12x40(the only one with the fiber optic on the windage turret) which had a MOA reticle.
When he said “I’m going 2 revs up”, my eyebrows went 2 revs up.. then, you put up 2 fingers: and had the exactly same expression on your face. The whole office heard me crack up laughing! Thanks for another great video, this was a fun format!
not sure if you have seen any of Ryan Cleckner’s videos but there’s a guy who knows long range shooting. His no nonsense hit the target real world application mentality is what got me interested and one of the reasons I’ve enjoyed your channel.
If you two did a colab, that would be AWESOME!
His book is really good too!
Ryan Cleckner is awesome
Agreed!! I bought it. Read it twice(which is a significant accomplishment for me) and I keep it in the gun case of my rifle along with the journal he suggested to keep; where I am happy to share that I never collected air samples of the days I ever shot to pointlessly store with my journal.😂
He got me started, too.
I e-mail him every once in a while asking when the Advanced book is coming out.
Ryan did a collab with John Lovell war poet on shooting some longer distance also
I spent 10 years in the Marines and I was a POG, NGL that was cringeworthy for me to watch. 15 rounds to get on target at 300 yards. I will definitely blame a lot of it on lack of meaningful communication and lack of fundamentals. There was a lot of back and forth large adjustments.
That being said, I'm sure he was on point when he needed to be and when he was constantly training. Shooting accurately is a perishable skill.
Every other video I've seen of Nick shooting, he has been on point. I wonder of he was trying to avoid showing Lunker up on his own channel. Although, he never really seems to have issues when he is on Demolition Ranch, either
I've never been in the military and find this video cringeworthy.
When I went to basic training in 1999, they showed us how to hit targets out to 500 yards using iron sights on the m-16a2 service rifle. Hitting at 500 yards with a scoped high end precision bolt action rifle, using a .308 cartridge should be a chip shot.
@@copo2835Nick was never a sniper, he was a designated marksman he doesn't really know what he's doing, he tells the internet he was a sniper bc it gets him game and money
Marine....this guy is a fake
He has said so many thing that only a 10 year old would believe and he says them as fact.
The only reason he gets over is because people WANT to believe.
Somebody needs to call Don Shipley on this fraud.
Gnna ramble just a little.
We shot at 500 yards open sights and the 300 yard of our course involved the kneeling....every single one of us would have went UNQUALIFIED if we shot like this.
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Semper Fi
I love watching Mark and Sam after work from Australia. They do extreme long range and Sam does a wonderful job calling impacts "half target high, one target right." I have tried to improve my skills to the point of being able to sight in my rifle in 2 or 3 shots then confirm drops at distances. I am by no means a professional shooter, but I agree this is really poor communication.
Agree 100%. They live not far from me. ( Im a West Aussie, so "not far" can be couple miles to half a days drive. lol. Theyre about 400 kms south . Not that far )
A great shooter spotter team. Simple , easy to read comunication.
And omg. Mark sends some insane distance hits out with his various rifles on that 24inch square target they use.
Dunno if theyve managed that 5000 yrds yet, but theyre trying.
YES! Mark and Sam after work are the best! I watch all of their videos. His information videos are other worldly (obviously in a good way). Anybody that hasn’t seen them PLEASE go check them out. They work extremely hard on their videos and are very under viewed and under appreciated. They even make their OWN precision rife shooting components. They are top notch. As you can see I very much appreciate their knowledge and work on their videos.
I was not impressed at all
@@RonaldHelgesen Who gives af?
I’m an avid shooter and I’m very proficient. I got into long range shooting and got addicted to the sport, to then bring my new skill set to the field where it increased the range I was willing/capable of taking game. I had a pretty big fight with my dad last year after he started rattling rounds off at an elk at 800 yards while demanding I help give calls to walk him on target. After giving him a couple, I told him he needed to stop. Hence the fight. I know his competency, and I imagine now, we looked like Pieter and “the reaper” in the field. One of us knew what we were doing but the other didn’t. What made matters worse was I practiced daily for months leading up to the hunt with my newly built 338 EDGE to shoot across a specific canyon I knew I’d likely see elk in. This same day, I made a 1 shot kill on a 6x6 bull at 1007 yds, so my dad assumed if I could do that, 800 for him should be easy? Pretty toxic logic. This video was as hard to watch as that situation was to be in.
Former US Army 11B, and yes this does look like a mess. I think it could be a combination of factors. When you are shooting in the military while in garrison it is very controlled(At least in my experience). Also, you will hit, and hit consisentently or you will get guidance and training until you do. While deployed, experiences can vary hugely. I deployed twice to Iraq and only fired my weapon in anger on one occasion when our COP was attacked my first tour. I know just based off of these guys background they experienced ALOT more combat than I did so I have alot of respect for them based off of that. Now that they are out, they are both social media influencers, content creators, authors, etc....They might just not really care much for shooting anymore. They still do, to make videos and for fun, but they may not take it anyone near as serious as they once had to. When I was in I was a great shot with an M4(not trying to toot my own horn but I was). I was a dismount, a rifleman in a mechanized infantry company/combined arms brigade. I took it very serious and I gave 100% percent effort. I got out in 2012, I shoot my AR everynow and then for fun, but not with the laser like focus I use to have. Also, both of them being social media influencers, I think they may have had there focus on the camera(making a video that will get views) and not on performing the task at hand effectively.
I agree 100% and thank u for ur service
Great analysis and you're on point
Idk if you have solid fundamentals you typically don’t lose that..
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@@micahdunleavy9227 You dont use it you lose it. Applies to everything in life
Honestly the fact that the dude was dropping bodies overseas is good enough for me. You shoot for a sport, idk if you have any military or LE experience but it’s a big difference taking a shot under duress in the field vs playing a game where you won’t get targeted and shot back at. You critique because you’re a sportsman and good at this one craft, this guy is NOT a sportsman obviously, and has played around a lot on demolition ranch so it’s pretty well established that he doesn’t take himself too seriously. There a lot of guys who in theory shoot better than someone in an infantry unit, but in a war scenario I’d have to choose the infantrymen as im not as confident that a sportsman will share the same resolve under pressure. Lastly it’s easy to become great at shooting if that’s all you do, military personnel have numerous other duties to accomplish besides sitting on a range for 8 hrs a day popping reloads on AR500.
Honestly, watching the video when he can't hit shit and even can't zero his rifle makes me think that he never dropped any body, except by accident and just full of bullshit.
This doesnt really prove anything. If one person has the fundamentals and one doesnt, who would rather shoot under stress
@@Dexter-nw2fe Nick came in clutch on deployments as he needed to be. Easy to shoot a target when its not shooting back at you with NOT JUST AKs and RPKs but RPGs too. Nick said it in his book he wasn't the world's greatest sniper, but he gained his "deadliness" tag because he was in a target rich environment. He has nothing to prove. He saved many lives during his deployments. Long range shooting is a perishable skill and when Nick was in his prime (i.e. deployment ready) he was able to do what he needed to. This video seemed personal.
@@dantenicholson9744 I agree!! I came across this video because I have been very interested in getting into the long range shooting sport. But the attitudes of the so called “expert shooters” in the comment section as well as the presenter, is a bit off putting. I didn’t know who Irving was before this, but I went and subscribed to his channel. I may not learn to become “expert long distance shooter” from watching his content, but I can appreciate a person who have been through tough situations and can still have fun in life.
Great jobs Pete, it’s channels like your’s that actually teach and provide us entertainment that make shooting enjoyable. Remember that anyone can put out content on TH-cam, but it doesn’t make it true or worth watching.
Nick has 33 confirmed kills and more unconfirmed. So regardless of how he's shooting in a TH-cam video I would definitely say he got it done when it counted.
Could just be out of practice.
@@BenjaminAdams23 💯
@@ahandgrenade3640 that's what it is.
"You dont use it, you lose it"
Wasn't a sniper but I was a DM.
No way i could shoot as well as i did years ago.
Most combat arms guys get out they stop training completely.
@@BenjaminAdams23 killing people overseas is not “doing something for this country,” and killing more people isn’t doing more.
Lunkers wasn't a sniper either he was a DM, taking a ten day course and happening to be on a patrol or two that contained attached SOF members or vice versa makes him saying "I was a sniper in the Army, with special operations" factual accurate, but also is purposefully worded to be misleading and misrepresent his service record in order for attention and clout on social media... Also I feel he and other supposed "friends" drug Nick into the spotlight to hopefully gain attention based on Nick's service and accomplishments, as he does not seem to enjoy the spotlight or attention, rather was drug into it in exchange for the promise of future financial security... Pretty disgusting behavior with Nick being nothing more than a hopeful cash cow for them, while accidentally putting himself at possible risk of collateral damage to his own reputation in the process 😠
Thank you for making this video. I hope a lot of people take the time to watch this video. I’ve had like experiences when spending time with military trained people.
I watched this guy “review” a budget rifle a couple years back and called BS on his knowledge and ability almost immediately. He seemed angry and rushed throughout the video. He completely shit in the rifle for not performing on the same level as rifles he (may or may not) have owned or that he has used prior. It was absolutely unprofessional, foul mouthed and impatient. It was as if he was offended to have to shoot and discuss an inexpensive, budget rifle. I think it was a 6.5 Creedmoor in a Ruger American if memory serves. Honestly, his primary motivation seemed to be that he wanted his audience to know that he is an alpha. Literally NOTHING I’ve seen from my his guy has been quality content, nor has he provided insightful, useful information, only “I’m the man, I do dope things, and I have cool sh$t.” Ugh.
He's a "content creator". He produces nothing of substance. He used to put out good fishing videos, but that is long in the past.
The ruger American is a good gun too
it's not THAT serious brother 😂
@@cavemanlovesmoke4394 pretending to be something you’re not, lying to and influencing young or uneducated guys on subject they have no business speaking on is pretty serious, hence this video calling them out. Bro.
Also, for some reason, the US military at some point (probably when Nick was active duty) did mix mils and MOA, I kid you not. So Nick may actually have the most practice using an MOA scope but making adjustments in mils 🤷♂️
Back on the day the reticle might be in Moa and Adjustments in Mils
it was a fixed 10x Leupold with a MIL dot reticle and MOA turrets. that was pretty standard until about 20 years ago
@@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 Leupold M3A, that's what was on my M24. We got the PVS10 day and night scope, but I hated it and never used it.
@@Booneboarder that's right. the Marines had the oval MIL dots and you guys had the round dots, correct? Wasn't it the same scope otherwise?
Until 2012, from 2000 IIRC.
Big army at its finest!
Can you please make a video of sighting in a scope at 300 and see how many shots it takes you??
You mean this video?
Special Ops Sniper vs Pro Shooter
th-cam.com/video/uW-i3NjYjlI/w-d-xo.html
@@IMPACTSHOOTING You know, I thought I had seen this already. LOL
Lol already done bud
@@pietermalan5450 who dis?
@@IMPACTSHOOTING net n naamgenoot van pretoria piet 👍 keep up the good work
As a former military guy I can say that these are two guys, that share a similar background, getting together to shoot some good old 308 down range. Both have their own traumas but share a lot of the same traumas. This is simply therapy and messing around. To dissect one’s shooting ability that actually used these skills in combat is a bit elementary. This would be equivalent to a TH-cam basketball player critiquing some of the greatest to ever play the game based on a shoot around. If you’re doing this for views, you win. You got my view. End of the day, this is some weekend warrior content from a guy that’s never served or used any of their shooting knowledge in any practical application outside of hunting. I understand your goal is not to disrespect their service, but you’re comparing practical shooting to precision shooting. These guys don’t train like you train, hence why there’s a difference in technique. The “lingo” you speak of is not for TH-cam lol. This is how they learn to communicate. You’re really on your high horse with this video. They took a personal moment as two former snipers and shared it with the world. You’re using that moment for notoriety. You shoot for fun. They shot for country.
Agreed, I would also add that he seemed very butthurt when he stated the number of followers Lunkers has. This stinks of jealousy. This video was terrible to watch once.
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You said it all Sir. Saved me a lot if type time. Well done
eff you and your "serving" b.s. I refuse to be apart of the thank you for your service cult. they weren't drafted. they got a check.
You nailed it!!!! This video is so cringe I can't stand it. It speaks jeolousy!!!! I watched the original and thought how awesome. Two of America's finest enjoying a day out shooting. That was it. And this guy just shreds them for it!
1. Weapon system(tolerances),barrel length,scope 2.Sight in range 25,36,50,100 etc 3.ammo 4.last but not least the operator and training/practice
I remember when this video came out and how it was an instant meme throughout the PRS community. Their shooting was absolutely atrocious and the people who defended them was even more cringy
I watched this a WHILE ago and it was just atrocious to watch. They jumble corrections, mix up MOA and MILs, change positions. Makes no sense to anyone that knows what they’re doing. These guys are not representative of real special ops snipers… Check out Phil and Caylen at modern day sniper..
I’ll be honest, if I can’t zero a rifle in 5 or 6 shots I get embarrassed. Usually my bore sight puts me a few inches from center at 100. If they had just zeroed on paper then started the video it would have hidden a lot of their incompetence. Also they’re way too excited for 300 yards… I can hit 300 yards with irons on my M16a4 clone EASILY. These guys are essentially larping
I'm not really sure but I think this is a reupload or something I've seen this reaktion video last year or something and if you scroll through the comments you can see that there are comments from a year ago even though the "upload date" is today 😅
Not good
Nick is an actual veteran, sniper in the military, maybe Marines? Not 100% sure on the branch. He has a decent kill amount. But yeah, this video is hard to watch. I can only assume that he's been out of the military for a while and hasn't done much of this. That's what I want to say, anyway lol.
@@Lovell93 yeah, I know all about Nick. Not knocking his military service at all. He's a bad dude, but this video he released with LunkersTV was a poor display of skill and a bit much on the ego part. They could be a little more humble. Shooting is still just shooting regardless of military accolades. That's why a lot of these guys stay out of the competition world, because they would get smoked by every day people if the task was just shooting. Guys like Nick are highly trained in tactics, fieldcraft, and putting bullets on bad guys that get within their comfort zone - things I personally know nothing about.. but I can zero a rifle in 5 shots and if I'm prone I probably won't miss my second shot - and I'm just some random guy that likes to shoot a lot
As a precision rifle enthusiast, I’m glad you made this video.
In fairness to Lunkers and Nick, precision shooting =/= sniping. Waaaaay more to sniping than just shooting. Shooting is a key part, but you have tools to help you over come that (plus daily training that they haven't had in almost 2 decades for lunkers, idk how long for nick) like they aren't those guys any more.
I use to ruck 15-20 miles fairly easily, now I'd struggle and some recreational hiker could easily destroy me out there, doesn't make him a better infantryman that I was just means I'm far removed from my glory days and he's current.
I'm not saying this justifies the complete shit show, but just keep in mind these guys haven't been billy badass in a while, but when they needed to be they did, in fact, get it done.
Im just glad you took the time to be respectful yet ask the questions people aren't asking about some of these influencers
As a follow up: Pieter, you wondered why the shooter kept asking for holdover in MILS when the spotter kept giving them in MOA. In the US military we dealt almost exclusively in MILS. Either the scope reticle was in MILS (don't know if you could ever identify which scope they were using) or the shooter, being a former military shooter, is only comfortable/thinks in terms of MILS regardless of the equipment he is using.
I speculate the spotter was using a ballistic calculator or spotting scope set for MOA and he doesn't know how to either change the settings to MILS or he can't make that changeover calculation in his head (which most any seasoned long range shooter can do fairly easily.)
There is a tremendous amount of pressure in the US to put combat veterans on a pedestal. As a veteran myself, in a family of retired veterans, I feel ok saying DUDE BROS like these and the guys at Black Rifle Coffee and the like get a free pass on acting like jackasses on social media. In fact, they are rewarded for it.
As a passionate long range shooter dedicated to furthering my shooting capabilities, I would much rather watch videos like yours where I can learn more about shooting and about new calibers and equipment, than watch these peacocks strut around for 20 minutes. Thanks for your videos and keep up the good work.
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Both idiots knew nothing about either. Jargon from a few movies and books. If you were trained at all you would see clearly that they had no sense of the values expressed in either value.
I respect veterans for having the balls to get off the couch and risk their ass, BUT they do NOT defend our Constitutional rights, nor defend the American people. Modern wars are fought for the multinational corporations and bankers that seek to enslave us.
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I myself am a combat disabled vet and I agree 1000x with what you just said.
Nick was Nicknamed the Reaper, the should tell you enough right there.
Saw this video a while ago. I can tell you this doesn't speak to the true shooting ability or training of a SOF sniper. I have to believe they were clowning around. Unfortunately, they look very inadequate. I won't demean their service, but their video should have never been posted, especially as any type of tutorial.
Completely agree with you, I know some gentlemen that use to be snipers in their day that shoot incredibly well. They are also humble and down to earth and I have never heard them bragging about how many people they have killed.
He has a video about cheap vs custom rifles and he lost me on that one. Really made me question his gun knowledge
An inadequate spotter makes it pretty difficult for the shooter especially if there relaying the wrong information.
Nicholas Irving is the same guy who had a confirmed 33 kills in less than 4 months just saying.
@@zugang7248 Nobody was taking anything away from his service or kills in Helmand Province.
Good. Sir. I watched this video and also the one that they compared a "budget" rifle to a "gucci" rifle. Rob had a hard time with the budget but was hitting target with his rifle. I was turned off in even attempting to do long range. I kept researching and found you. Thank you for your videos. Very informative.. I hope takenbetter videos of the range and download it to my channel. Take care and a lot of love and respect to you
I had basic training in the Philippines Navy, just watching you, I can’t imagine your frustrations. Thanks for your videos, I am new in building precision rifles for hunting and I am learning from your videos. I am buying some MDT products now. Thanks to you.
Welcome to this awesome sport!!!
I’ve given you the thumbs up just for having the balls to make this video. 👍🏻
I gave a thumbs down 👎 and unsubscribed after watching this.
Putting the crosshairs on fellow TH-camrs isn’t a good thing unless it’s planned out. What was the goal of this video? To take subs away from Nick and Lunkers? Their video wasn’t the greatest but they are just trying to make a living. I can’t stand people who think they are better than someone else.
@@justini7275 that's alot of what lunkers and they crews do. They friends with wd. Demo ranch and others and they all act like better then every one lmao
@@justini7275 He mentioned multiple time why. To make sure people that don't know better don't think what they did was good practice to repeat.
@@justini7275 lunkers is a complete joke!
@@justini7275 This douchebag guntuber culture is a fine line and guys like this who claim elite status need to reflect that to a high degree, a good example is Garand Thumb.
I’m glad you did this video, I stopped watching Lunkers years ago cuz he would pimp out his sniper background and kill my expectations on his knowledge and skills. He used to be decently modest many years ago but he just annoys the heck out of me
Googan baits also suck really bad
I used to love his stuff, but he got too much moola and became a bit of a dick. Havent watched him in years. Jon B is still the same!
Nicholas was definitely getting annoyed with Rob as Rob was never really in a spotter role when enlisted and was giving him horrible calls. I think the reason nicholas wasn’t correcting his own shots until the end was because as a sniper you rely on your spotter to give you the correct calls. We also have 2 different classes of snipers here, there’s Rob who was a basic sniper who would go out with SEAL teams sometimes and then there’s Nicholas Irving who was Master Sniper of his platoon, a team leader, and was a tier 2 operator who had tons of training and would go out with tier one dudes. Not to discredit this video but there’s plenty of videos with great sniper lingo of Nicholas. He has one on his channel named Reaper 33 on his channel that was created a few years back.
My dad served as a 1st Battalion Ranger Sniper and as a sniper MILS are engraved into your brain, all your scopes and equations use mils instead of MOA. So it makes sense that when Nicholas is annoyed and just wanting to hit the target and get half decent shots off that he’ll go back to the basics and ask Rob for corrections in the units Rob learned in. At the end of the day it was just a couple of guys plinking around and there’s multiple factors that goes into this video. However I think the video was horrible in terms of Rob giving accurate corrections and the corrections made by Nicholas as he probably confused himself going back and forth between units of measurment.
Nicholas was never a sniper, and never had a spotter, he was a designated marksman he shot between 200 and 600 yards, he just says he was a sniper on the internet for clout
I agree with everything you said. The one thing that really confused me that wasn't mentioned was: if you're having problems hitting a target from prone why would you move to a less stable position(kneeling) like at 6:38?
Nick is most comfortable in a kneeling position. Shooter preference
I hate shooting prone, my neck is short so I'd always get kinks in my neck sighting in for to long periods of time.
Kneeling on the other hand I can hold it for hours if need be lol
@@leopapio683 have you tried stretching your neck with brass rings like the women in that African tribe 😁
@@me2ontube lmfao!!! If only brother
@@leopapio683 just trying to help
Been shooting for 37 years and hunting for 20 years. Saw their vid some time ago and remember thinking "wtf are they doing? That's so complicated and utterly false zeroing practice".
Legends have built up around special operations and snipers. In some cases, like the US Army Rangers, "sniper" is part of an actual MOS, not just DM or designated marksman. I have read two of Sgt Irving's books. I have also read and watch podcasts of Ryan Cleckner, whom I could wholeheartedly recommend. Cleckner was a sniper team leader in the 1st Ranger Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. He explicitly states in his book on long range shooting that he is not and never was a sharpshooter. That would be something along the lines of the channel host, here, being a competitor in precision shooting.
Cleckner was, in his own words, a tactical shooter. Not trying to pierce ear lobes at a mile. Trying, however, to put 220 grains stopping energy in an standard target out to 600 yards. Average range of combat is less than 800 yards and many is the shot that is 300 yards or less.
I agree, this video might be for show. Since they are no longer serving in an active unit, they might not desire to hold to a standard phrasing of communication but I agree, you need to have agreed on terms. And stay within the measuring system you want to use.
And Irving also mentions in his books with some of his stories of combat, you are trying to make the most of the situation.
And so, you would think, on a calm day in Texas with no one shooting or lobbing ordnance at you, better shots can be made. Or at least sooner.
I don't know, it just seemed like they were having fun.
Most people who I have known who served had salty language. Except for my mother, who did not serve. But she could curse enough to make a sailor blush.
Thank you, comp shooting vs combat has some similarities yet far more differences. The simple fact that he made it home should prove he isn’t a joke. I also doubt he’s trying to be the most technical with his call outs when he’s out joking with his friends.
@@710vet3 They're both snipers.
@@MF-Rell what!!? Yea scrap what, I said this guy won.
Well the real misconception is the military works with what it has. If u shoot relatively well ur doing better than most green recruits. Not everyone is a marksman sniper assassin. It's really more about tactics that actual marksmanship and knowing ur limitations. But yes I noticed he couldn't shoot that well in another video.
@@djl5634 That is something I also learned. The standard expected of green recruits is 4 MOA. This translates into being able to hit the enemy at 100 yards, or CQB. Can the new guy hit a 18 inch wide by 20 in tall target from house to house? While moving, possibly off hand.
Guys who shoot better than that can become DM. Others specifically want the work of long range combat. Well, being a sniper is not actually about splitting the X at 1,000 yards which can certainly be the goal of various competitions. A big part of the sniper activity is getting into closer positions and you do that by being a sneaky bastard. Less distance equals greater accuracy.
According to Cleckner, and others, such as Milton, a retired SEAL sniper and instructor, average range of engagement was less than 800 yards. Sometimes, quite a bit less than that. And the object was not the x ring. The object was to place 220 grains in center of mass of an 18x20 in target.
For example, Cleckner would use a .300 Win Mag. Dial elevation from DOPE and hold left or right edge of target into the wind.
And this is while an enemy is actively seeking you and shooting at you and trying to kill you.
Same which can be said for Sgt. Nicholas "The Reaper" Irving, 3rd Ranger Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. For a number of tours.
Do these guys talk like PRS dudes? Probably not. Do the talk the way they did in service? Maybe, maybe not. Often is a the case where shooter and spotter develop their own lingo. No rule says that you cannot. And are you going to tell these guys no? Just remember, they are retired paid killers. It was the job to end lives per orders. And do so quickly, and efficiently, and don't take all day.
And I think that is going to be just different than maybe an F-Class match with a 16 pound rifle designed to sit on the ground on a hill under a shade poking holes in paper.
I could be wrong. I am not a veteran, certainly not a competitive shooter.
I remember watching this video too and wondered why it took so many rounds to zero it in especially with a rid that cost probably 5 times what I paid for and it took 6 or 7 rounds and it wasn't bore sighted...
I saw the video you are reviewing quite a while ago and thought the same thing. Thank you for the perspective.
I went to the range with a vet one time and he couldn't hit shit. He kept blaming it one the fact that my ar did not have an m203 launcher so holding the rifle without felt weird.
I humored him but it was pathetic
If you didn't make him feel less, then you made him feel more and my man, that is the most honorable thing you could have done. Long distance High 5...for allowing a man to keep his dignity.
You gotta think combat shooting is different the shooting recreationally
What’s even more pathetic is you coming on here and trashing some mystery vet you claim to have shot rifles with. I think it’s funny that you “humored” him face to face. Meaning you didn’t run your mouth because he probably would’ve extracted some of your teeth. You’re a textbook perfect example of how people come online and feel free to say anything rude condescending and disrespectful without the fear of getting punched in the mouth.
@@smyers820gm let the hero brag on TH-cam about how he’s a better shooter then military guys
@@jdizzle5083 I know I should have just kept my mouth shut and moved on to another video but I couldn’t help it. People that say things like that just trigger me. Most of the time I keep myself in check but every once in a while. . . 😂😂😂😂
Nick (Reaper) is the real deal. Idk wtf was their issue in this vid but he’s genuine. That said their video was an embarrassment,but a lot of grunts are not gun guys snipers included. The rifle is a tool to use, they get out and forget everything, it’s quite common. AND Lunkers sucks and prolly sucked as a DM.
He has Some good story’s but good god idc what anyone says he lies like friken crasy an is a douche
‘Never want to close the bolt unless you are on target’. That wouldn’t go over well amongst military folks.
Good thing the targets weren't moving or shooting back, you are spot on a sniper and spotter work hand and hand so they can surive down range and complete the op.
They seem like they are just guessing for the most part.
I would really love to see your opinion on (MarkandSam after work)
Some of their videos are surprising what they manage to hit targets with at long range.
They have great videos and a similar feel to your videos.
Mee too I would love too see him react to them since they are way better than lurkers and that sniper
Mark and Sam AW are great! 💯
Mark and Sam are awesome educational and entertaining videos and very grounded folks hard working and you can see there progression through the years with there videos and they sell great parts
That’s a really good channel. Caution: rabbit hole ⚠️
I got outta the Marines 22 years ago and that's a very great class on how not to sight in a rifle..I don't see common military disciplines associated with shooting.
I got out of the Marines 22 years ago too. HOORAH!
I got out in 2010 guys Hoorah
Thank you fellas...hoorah!
Thank you. I remember watching this, and wondering why it was taking so many shots. I'm far from a pro at long distance shooting. I don't even know if I could consider myself amateur, but this zeroing was ridiculous. I think I remember them blaming the rifle at one point. They seem very flustered & anxious. They definitely don't seem excited to be shooting. I don't know what they were thinking. Very odd.
Pretty sure the answer to "you don't know what they were thinking" is cocaine. 😄. I've been around people on cocaine many times in my life and when watching this video back when lunkers posted it, the first thought that came to my mind was that these guys seem like they're on coke.
I’ve seen similar results over the last 20 years. I believe the biggest reason is they will get training to become a sniper go through the courses and once graduated their kinda left to their own devices and yes I understand the senior snipers will give tutelage but with that being said I’ve belonged to civilian pistol and rifle clubs and the tutelage and training never ends your always being pushed to do better and learn more. I’ve seen guys at the F class matches that are civilians only , never served and just kill it. What I do think is the military trained are trained to put lead down range without much hesitation 1st on target with volume usually wins the fight but accurate fire is the ultimate game changer. I always enjoy having current or former military and Leo’s at the range they can teach us civilians stuff we’ve never even dreamed of and sometimes our long distance tips help them if applicable to their situation. But yeah when they go back and forth on the adjustments Mil’s To Moa is aggravating. Having a great spotter that both the shooter and spotter understand the terminology is crucial as this video clearly shows. I’ve done just as bad if not worse having a bad spotter, which is an art in itself.
Just wanted to say I will be receiving my first chassis today in the mail from MDT thanks to your videos. Just getting into shooting and reloading.
You will love it. I put my Mossberg Patriot .308 in to an MDT LSS Gen 2 with a folding stock adapter and an SCS buttstock. That brought the Patriot to an average of 1 MOA after 60 rounds of heat.
And just recently, I put my TC Compass II in an Oryx, the sister company to MDT. In fact, the shipping info comes from an MDT email. To me, chassis are so great precisely because they are adjustable. And the metal frame is superior to any other kind of bedding.
"Not bad from 300 from the knee "
I was not a sniper and I've done that before with significantly less attempts, with a red dot.
Veteran
The problem with this critique is that people are now equating what happened on a TH-cam video with these guys bona fides. Some are actually questioning if either guy was qualified or had even earned their accolades. You gets points for trolling them for views and comments, thereby making money, while accusing them of trolling for views and comments, thereby making money. But the lack of respect shown isn’t good long term.
Agree md
My goodness. All I'm going to say here, is that the dude making this video seems like a decent kid, but very young, and while I may be wrong here, I don't believe he has ever had to examine and successfully overcome all the variables involved in examining intelligence on an area, deciding your shooting location and ingress, knowing the consequences if you fuck up, then laying perfectly still at times, while being eaten by ants, mosquitos, mites and God knows what, while trying to ignore the dysentery cramps and your own smell, acquiring your target, killing another human being to protect your brothers and then being basically interrogated afterward, aa if you were under investigation for murder. These guys are out having a good time, in a very LOW STAKES- HIGH FUN environment. Cut them some slack.
Well said bro, I served in the Parachute regiment as a DM in the fire team and they two talk a lot like the marines I met in Iraq and rangers in Afghan
White guy Mat, was also a DM and Nick (black dude) was a Marine sniper with 33 confirmed kills
@@iidentifyaskingoftheuniver1928 wrong, they both were US Army Snipers, Irving just happens have been a Ranger with 3rd Bat. Horrendous shooting all around, though.
@@evey0259 ahh my bad thanks for clear up but yeah it was not pretty too watch
Exactly
I spent half a day yesterday with Charlie Melton, seal Sniper retired and now precision instructor.
We sighted a CZ 457 .22 at 50 yards until I was placing bullets exactly where I wanted them. Then the wind picked up, gusting 16+ mph, and we decided to go for an IPSC at 289 yards.
With .22’s, we were consistently hitting on that target using StrelokPro. Now we struggled with those gusts some, but we’re talking within a mil and still consistently hit until we were going for headshots :).
I honestly believe they had a bad day of shooting but were just having fun goofing around, which honestly is what lunker’s channel mostly is. I don’t think Nick shot like this in service 😛.
I have a video I posted where I included misses, and I’ve literally had death threats on that video. But it’s also my most watched video currently (which sucks but also happens to be monetized so I’m not complaining). As shooters, I would say it’s more important to just do the right thing and support others, lifting them as we can. We all make mistakes and sometimes even post it to TH-cam; I just hope my mistakes don’t get used to describe my whole meaning :).
My goodness I don't think Nick shot like this during his service either. But damn son, its not like his been retired for 35years and only picking up a rifle before this video again. 289yards with a 22rimfire is nuts in that wind! Well done!
@@IMPACTSHOOTING it was certainly a fun day of shooting with 22’s 😃.
I do like how you invited anyone to come to a match and shoot with y’all to learn how to really get on target; that’s exactly the kind of thing we need :).
May I ask where the wind was coming from? Was it straight on from the front or behind? Or did it come from left or right?
@@andrewstoll4548 it was blowing from the 3-5 o’clock position; the up drafts at that range are due to its location in a canyon. I had close to a mil of additional elevation when it was gusting hard.
It is a perfect example of why most TH-cam videos on shooting are apparently trying to appeal to a LCD audience to boost views and subscribers rather than provide real information, I have watched a lot of things like this for purely entertainment purposes or examples of what not to do. Thank you for sharing a more detailed analysis, unfortunately it probably won’t get as many views as things that play to armchair soldiers.
My old man did three tours in nam as a sniper and I showed him this and he just started laughing his ass off its good to see him smile thx
I asked him why he found it so funny and he said I've always been curious how the shittiest jobs in the military become the sexiest you would think you'd think motor pool or accounting or any other that doesn't require being shot at would be the jobs people would really want to go for but maybe that's because they never heard somebody tell him I would sacrifice 10 of you for one good logistics guy while your covered in mosquito bites and your balls be chafing so bad you want to just cry but everybody sees themselves is the hero not the guy who buys it during the opening credits cuz you didn't want somebody looking at him while he was taking a shit
I know little to nothing about shooting. I'm a vet but I was an electrician and didn't get into guns til recently. But when I first came across "The Reaper" I was super impressed by his story. Started watching alot of his interviews and he definitely comes off as somebody who embellishes the hell out of a story. My first red flag was him on Arian Foster's podcast and him saying he flirted with some girl. And when her boyfriend found out, like a whole neighborhood worth of dudes wanted to fight him about it. It was weird. And I gave you just as much details as he did. And he swore it happened 😒... A few more videos and I realized that him capping seemed like a trend. His lies seem obvious tho, at least. And if he's telling the truth the other 80% of the time it seems believable. For what it's worth
Well he has a confirmed 33 kills being one of the most dangerous combat Snipers in modern day...
@@jamesonbolen9058who ALSO somehow thinks a near miss with a 50 will rip an arm off 😒and has the gall to even tell people this on camera
But oh he was joking. Or was he?
I stopped watching a lot of shooting videos several years ago for this exact reason. After competing in f class then progressing into elr shooting about 10 years ago, the more I learnt, the more frustrating it is to watch 90% of the so called experts. I would of been upset about wasting ammo sighting in if my bore sight was that bad....Anyway Pete, keep doing your thing and try not get side tracked by the clowns that are in abundance.
It's very similar reading comments when people actually type out learnt and ignore the autocorrect recommendation 🙄 learned.
@@jiml4987 and you just turned yourself into the "autocorrect" lolol
One day humans will be known as the new fossil fuel alternative.
I’m a F N amateur and it took me less rounds to zero my new rifle last weekend. 7 rounds to be exact and I had no spotter, just did my best off a bore sight.
The Gunners Mates who trained me back in the 1990's would take away my rifle if it took 15 rounds to get on target. Of course the Marines were doing 500 yards on iron sights. Yes this was way before the standard rifleman got an optic.
Ok grandpa whatever you say
Bear in mind this is the same guy who said that the shock of a bullet passing you within 2 feet would tear your arm off. I’m old enough to remember demolition ranch shooting his .50 cal from a canoe over a creek and proving this wrong. Unfortunately when all people are looking for is attention, all it takes is a flashy thumbnail and enticing title. Well done on the breakdown.
I had watched this vid a few weeks ago and was very unimpressed, i thought he was full of crap, i am ex military and know special ops guys are a lot less full of themselves. I turned it off half way through it.
Lunkers is an actual army sniper combat veteran and the other guy who is sniping is a 75th ranger combat veteran sniper there is a video on lunkers tv to shut up most people where lunkers shoots by himself and no spotter
@@6n518 I don’t know what you are talking about
@@Chris09978 hmmmm
@@6n518 idk about lunkers, but Irving definitely served. He's pretty well known
This was clearly an issue of having a spotter not giving the right info to Nick. Also, Rob was the trigger puller overseas and obviously didn’t keep up on his spotter ability since he basically does mostly fishing now.
This is clearly two people that can’t zero a rifle. The splash of a .308win at 300 yards is easily evident in the PIP frame on my tiny cell phone. Through the glass is a cake walk. A scout sniper should not be missing static targets within 700 yards with a .308. Especially the Fed GMM loading that he was using at the end of the vid. I can understand being reliant on the spotter for range and atmospherics, but known ranges are simple with any decent training (like a 2 day precision rifle course). He should be center plate by 3rd shot, and all hits after that from prone off a bag.
@@christopherfreeman3095 oh really
@@christopherfreeman3095 You're absolutely correct, and I remember watching this video and thinking, "Is this a joke? Are they high???" Lunkers has always rubbed me in a wrong way as being overly cocky. His Ukraine War coverage is super cringe. You'd think he believes he's Norman Schwarzkopf. I'm pretty sure he wasn't a military strategist in Afghanistan. In fact I'm positive of it, but you wouldn't know it from watching him talk about predictions of BOTH Ukraine's and Russia's entire military game plans. He's always been overly cocky and unless you're Nick, you're not half the rifle shot he is. He just assumes how great he is out of the gate compared to everyone. Now that they're all teaming up with Demo-Ranch and Kentucky Ballistics, you get a chance to see them on multiple weapons platforms and it's rare Lunkers shows up. Nick also looks uncomfortable with most weapons outside of a bolt gun and an AR variant. I can't dispute Nick having a large number of confirmed kills in combat, and while that's admirable, it doesn't make you the best marksman in the world. The guys by the truck in this video are thinking exactly what we are: Wow...this is embarrassing. It's like 2 monkeys f***ing a football.
I got into shooting at a very young age. I've competed in 3 gun, intermediate, and large caliber long range shooting competitions and get togethers all over Kentucky, my home state of West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Tennessee, and there's some Country Boys out here that'll embarrass you with a 7mm mag deer rifle. We've pushed out past 1000 with .408, 6.5, .338, and some obscure loads and have pulled off some pretty great shots in conditions that were far from optimal, and I'd never make a video this pretentious. This, and his military commander role-play, have shown me all I needed to see. Not to sound like lunkers, but at 300, all I need is my 15" AR with an eotech and a magnifier to get hits like this. I'm far from the only one that can do it too.
Bro it doesn't take a spotter to zero a rifle at 300 yards 😂 ask me how I know youve never shot long range
@@Barnes-ml9wg 300 isn’t long range, 600 is mid range still.
Seems like the review was a bit on the personal side, from your reactions and criticisms. Your normal demeanor is a lot more endearing and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed your precious videos. I have no previous military experience and am an admitted pretty novice shooter, but if I had to guess it would be that running and gunning in the military might be a bit like working in a donut shop, the last thing you want to eat when you get home is a donut. For others it may be quite the opposite. I would expect their skills to drop off a bit as any other perishable skill if not practicing regularly. In the grand scheme of things, Its not that big of a deal, just a couple of guys out having a bit of fun shooting, you shouldn’t take what others do so seriously. It doesn’t seem like lunkers is trying to compete in the same space that you are in, so to expect them to be as proficient as you would be a bit unreasonable.
I agree with you. These guys shoot for a past time not a living. And personally (being a novice to long range and vehemently hating to zero optics) 15 rounds to get on target isn’t that much especially when you can literally pick up those exact same loads from the store. Hand loads maybe a bit dif.
@impactshootin at around 9 minutes into the video, you said Nick was asking about corrections in Mil, but he asked for minutes. (MOA) That’s what we call it here in the states for short sometimes. I don’t know if that’s different over there.
I remember watching this video when it released and it almost entirely put me off of long range. I figured "well if this is what a pro sniper looks like, then what's the point?" So glad I decided to try it myself, sooo much fun.
Same
They’re not “pro” snipers. They’re military snipers. Pro sniper targets don’t shoot back or call in air support.
Same. Grateful I found some others.
He sighted in the rifle, takes like 10 shots scattered around the 500 yards. Mean while you shot the king of 1 mile without missing until the 1 mile range.
I'm only 16 and just brought my first scope with moveable turrets and I already get that MOA and Mrad are two different measurements. switching back and forth sighting in is not a good idea.
The man hit his targets in combat with his life on the line, that’s all I need to know. The amount of disrespect in these comments is unbelievable.
Exactly...how many of these other ppl can say the same?
He is not discrediting Nick's service in the military; the video was just objectively poor shooting. It may have been due to a combination of them not actually trying, the spotter communicating information poorly, Nick being a bit rusty, etc but nonetheless it was poor shooting.
@@user-vt2cr8qd1b My problem is making the video in the first place. Putting his pic in the thumbnail and implying he’s a troll. As well as these worthless duffle bags in the comments talking smack from behind a keyboard. I think it’s problematic and disrespectful to call him out like that over one video. Nick is a decorated sniper who performed in combat. Sure his military peers might criticize him, but not in this way. Because they know what he’s done and understand what he’s been through and sacrificed.
@SHAK3 N Because you say so. Got it.
U fell for the scam. 😂
I remember watching that video before I got into shooting and thought it was brilliant, after about a year of shooting and wasting a boat load of money and ammo I came across impact shooting, it inspired me to get into matches, to cut down on useless kit, to get to know my kit better and it made me a better shooter. No disrespect to lunkers and nick I still think they’re funny guys and I love the American shooting community, but thanks to Peter and the shooting community in the UK I’d say I’m a better shooter now than what they showed in that video. So here’s to you Peter! 🍻
Bc Nick was never a sniper and doesn't really know much about it, he was a designated marksman, he tells the internet he was a sniper bc it makes him money and fame
Nick "The Worlds Deadliest Sniper LOL" also loves shooting the 6.5 creedmoor because "It shots so fast". And before I get he's a Vet so i should respect him, so am I and respect is earned not just handed out. I went out with a 308 took me 5 shots to zero at 500 spotting myself.
Your a joke. Are you a military sniper? Do you know what it takes to make it as a top sniper in the military? It's not just about shooting....lol. Stroking your own ego. Wow 5 shots Im so good. How many confirmed kills do you have?
This should have been done much closer, then walked out to 300.
@Nate W not necessarily, you have to start somewhere though. We went from 25yards straight to 200 in the marines on m16's and had the same point of impact. You just have to know the trajectory of the cartridge you're using..
How would you like Nick to earn your respect? Shoot 33 men in front of you? It's confirmed by the Army... I think that this video is them clowning...Rob is a lost cause...if you are an American citizen, you should at least respect the uniform of the men and women who VOLUNTEERED to defend our nation...all of them were there because they had the balls to sign up and do the things for those who can't...or won't...
@@sykwookiee By not acting like a child with a new toy, It's a weapon a tool to be used as such. He has said many things online that make me think he knows very little about shooting. I don't give a crap how many men he's killed, Chris Kyle killed and when he came home he didn't brag about his kills he quietly lived his life helpinng anyone he could. That man has my respect 100%. If you read my comment I also served but I'm not trying to get paid off my service to the country, we all took the same oath. Please understand I'm not talking crap about him as a person don't know him like that but as a shooter he needs to get some training apparently from someone other than the US Piet has a class he would probably even give the young man a discount.
I’m so glad that you made this video. I’ve been thinking everything you’re saying since seeing theses guys on demo and BRCC. I just think they talk bigger than reality. As a military guy I didn’t take any disrespect.
I don't know about the white dude but Nick Irving was definitely an Army Ranger sniper with 33 confirmed kills in Afghanistan. His book is also one of the best selling military books out there.
I’ve made reasonable shots at 300-1000 with inferior scopes and cartidges and holding in thin air without requiring too many follow ups. (Lots of practice). The inability to use a mil-grid or turrets which greatly assist in first round hits is bonkers for spec-ops guys.
Well they have over 20 confirmed kills so they did something right
@@retingo7940 you begin to believe the army is just a bunch of liars. Since the entire war itself was a lie
From Australia, ex Military myself and sport shoot long range,
You.Sir are awsome and have learned a great deal from you.
Keep doing what you do SALUTE
Appreciate that Sully, have a fantastic weekend Sir! Thank you for your service!
Factual,practical and professional thank you for not cursing just to be cool
I always asked myself why everyone liked this guy. Hearing his stories I could tell he was full of it.
He was in combat and his military record isn't in question so idk what you're talking about
@@Loyal69 No one is denying that. However, listening to his stories of these "epic tales" and what he did always sounded fake and the fact that he can't zero in for 300 without taking 10+ shots just doesn't add up.
@@crypt0sFX I don't really think you should take a video of tow guys having fun too seriously. It's like Messi casually playing football with a fan and your calling him trash because he wasn't dominating. If you know anything about guns, shooting at targets for fun and shooting at actual people is two completely different situations
@@nobunaga4720 Really bad argument, he's clearly trying to hit his shots in the video. Sure they were messing around, however his reputation was on the line as that was the whole point of the video and he failed miserably.
@@crypt0sFX Reputation on the line? Bruh He has a 100+ confirmed kills. His own battle footage is on TH-cam he has nothing to prove.
Pieter, I've always thought you were a class act. This video proves it. Professional assessment of the shooting, without unnecessary personal attacks. "Just the facts." And the facts are, this is not exceptional shooting in this video.
That's Nick the Reaper right? I've seen him on a few podcasts and he seemed pretty solid. Not sure what he's doing here but wandering if he dumbed it down to fit it with the other clowns. Sure seems odd though.
exactly, This is dude doing the breakdown is taking their play time and screw around time way too serious. ITS CRINGEY WATCHING THIS DUDE REACT TO THIS AND TAKE IT SERIOUS
@@dontbetreadin4777 exactly
There is no way on this earth this individual is a trained sniper.
Who
I am no long range shooter or gun owner. Had the oppurtunity to shoot a few different rifles in my younger days and even though they were not my own I was able to hit my targets the first shot without any practice shots. Maybe just my luck or a very well sighted in rifle I don't know...but really can it be that difficult?
Pete lol I watched that video once before and I’d be embarrassed if I were them guys. I’ve been watching your videos and Ive learned a lot from you. I actually just built my first long range rifle this year.
Embarrassed lol... how many people have you killed? How many tours? How many friends you lost? While you and Pete are shooting still targets, Nick was in the field risking his life, getting shot & being entrusted to take the life of enemy targets .. keep talking from your wife’s computer Dylan smallwood
Lol Pete we called this dude out when this video came out. Offered to pay his match fee to any 2 day match to see what he could do lol. It was a pretty funny thread on IG.
What IG was it. I want to read his responses… or did he even respond?
I have seen newbies shoot better than that!
Pretty much everything this "reaper" guy does he comes off as silly and I mean I respect the work he's done but in the civilian world he comes off just as if he doesn't know anything.
Sad to say, I rarely ever meet or see military guys who can shoot that well, both at a regular range or at a match unless they practiced and learned on their own time... it usually seems like their zeroes and dope cards are done by someone else in the military and they struggle with setting up their own rifles like in this video. But ofcourse service members have a ton of other difficult things to do besides shooting so they deserve respect 🙏
I remember watching the original video to this and thinking a lot of what you're mentioning. Most of the time my thoughts were, "were they really snipers in the military? Man they suck, and I only shoot occasionally and can get on target better".
They have over 20 confirmed kills. So no, they don't suck.
I guess that no one can have a bad day especially when they’re fucking around making a video.
How many confirmed kills do you have in REAL LIFE COMBAT? Not just paper or steel targets? Has air support ever been called in on you if you miss your target? No..... Then shut up.
@@GunGuy258 im pretty sure the taliban didnt have air support :) the war on terror was a cakewalk compared to real war with truely armed and trained people.
@@frigglebiscuit7484 how many wars did you serve in? And how many tours?
I’ve shot the majority of my life (open pistol, 3 gun, and long range) and this is absolutely ridiculous…. To start with the language makes them sound 14 and me and my shooting buddy can do that in no time. I stand behind and support anyone in our military but that was pretty sad!
Agreed- ive never shot competitively nor was in military- but myself and any of my dis-functional buddies would have no problem sighting in a 308 at 300 yrds with less than four shots- and that’s if we had just picked up a rifle we had never used and slapped a scope we bought on way there from walmart on the clearance isle- we don’t know shyt about mils or MOA either- we just know how to shoot- we give corrections to each other in target sizes and rarely at that- because we know how to use our own eyes and coordinate our own corrections- and not to mention we rarely miss-
Y’all do realize military guys mostly do a job rather then specifically use their weapon as much. Any competition shooter could probably out shoot mil guys, as a veteran that’s not our biggest point of focus, being proficient at completing the mission is the case. And for snipers their main job is recon not necessarily actually using their sniper, many don’t even use it when they go out on missions
@@Jrod110 Bull.
I'm former military myself, and I absolutely had to be proficient with the various weapons systems that I used.
These guys don't know basic shooting fundamentals, but they're passing themselves off as elite.
It's embarrassing
Language wise, as active duty we definitely use a curse word every so other word in our sentences when we are bullshitting with our buddies
@@M240D nick Irving is passing himself off as elite? He’s retired and he knows it. His time serving and sniping is over and he’s not claiming to be son deity. Relax bud
You are witnessing guys that a very much out of practice. If you don’t use it, you CAN lose it. Utmost respect for you as well as lunkers, and Nick. It is very obvious that you are currently in your prime and very good at what you do. I do remember watching this a year ago and noticing the same thing, but I attributed it to being way out of practice
Unrelated to nick but the wooden troll in the cover photo of this video is from aullwood farm in Dayton, Ohio. I live 30 minutes from that location. I watch all of your content but when I saw the troll it especially caught my attention. Keep up the great content brother.
I once dated a concert pianist who refused to play on any piano that wasn't perfectly tuned. I couldn't understand why until just now.
"If you dont use it, you lose it"
No doubt in my mind he was good when he served, but most military guys get out, they stop training, and only shoot once in awhile.
yeah no doubt. shooting, especially accurately, is a perishable skill.
I am so glad you made this video! I watched him do this last year sometime and couldn’t believe how horrible he did. The lingo was all over the place and I didn’t understand why he kept swapping from MOA to Mil. I am also a veteran and have the utmost respect for them. However, they can’t shoot worth a crap.
And yet he is in the ARMY RANGERS sniper hall of fame... lmaooooo I would expect a vet to know that
@@MrSwccguy that’s what confuses me so much. I can’t help but wonder if this was a troll video because he really does sound like he doesn’t know what he is doing. BTW, just because I am a vet doesn’t mean I know everything. I served in the Navy from ‘92-‘99. So not knowing something is not out of the realm of possibilities.
@@chrisfranks2215 you ain't wrong man. But I suspect it was part troll because if you watch him on demolition ranch he's like that too sometimes.
@@chrisfranks2215 they're just goofing around and being careless and casual about it. Pretty dure he wasn't shooting like this while on duty 🤔
@@crystallava5002 they're not goofing around. They're bragging and congratulating each other, its fucking cringe. Its obvious to everyone else, i dont get why some prefer to lick boots.
I have a hunting sim on my phone that simulates basic ballistics (no spindrift or magnus effect) but I use MOA clicks simply because that's what I researched first. However the scope I've set in game is in milrads. The 1/4 MOA clicks only go up to 50 and then I have to resort to the milrads. Thankfully I have a ballistic calculator that is perfectly compatible with the game (which it ought to be) and I managed to come up with a simple formula that lets me correct. each 1/4 MOA click is to be divided by 13.75 to obtain milrad equivalent. Works great for me now since I get the MOA, x4 to get clicks, subtract the full 50 from it and then divide by 13.75 to get a hold off. Only thing is, I do wish I could define the twist rate and miller stability factor to put spin drift effects onto the sim as beyond 600yds I hear that can be a problem. The example of 6.9MOA is 27.6 quarter clicks. Divide b 13.75 is 2.007 MRADs as stated. Works a charm.
I mix my units simply because I can't be bothered to change them on my sim. I haven't had the opportunity to shoot for real so it's not really an issue for me yet but I can imagine it being a weird thing to do in reality, especially since most real scopes keep a consistent unit of measurement throughout either clicks or sight markings.
Also, I will confirm the 8MOA drop from 300m zero to 500m. I get same. Whilst I can't speak as a shooter, I can speak as a pilot, the amount of 'maybe's and 'about's going on is not conducive to being accurate. Whilst a bit of approximation is realistic (such as using 'targets' as your unit of measurement) it is still important to be as specific as possible. Currently I'm going for my FRTOL radio license and if people started communicating to each other like that on the radio, it just wouldn't be good. It's all about brevity and clarity, getting your message across as accurately and as quickly as possible in a useful manner. Just my take on it.
When I was a kid (10 -12) in the early 90’s I had access to pistols and rifles and shotguns. I also had lived on property. I would clean barn stalls and such for money so I could buy ammo. Anyway, I didn’t have anyone to teach me how to shoot so I just learned on my own. In short by the time I was 13 I could outshoot any adult and hit bottle caps at 70+ yards with iron sites. I actually learned that using only the front site on a pistol was way easier and faster to use on a target. So in short, some people just have an innate ability to run a gun. I wish I would have been able to make a career out of it. My boys who are 12 -14 are really good shots as well.
I’am no expert but this BS is a joke. I hope no one takes him seriously. Thank you for your support of all of us, and your help to all who need your expert input.
exactly theyre screwing around and this dude is taking it SUPER SERIOUS.
If I ever shot that badly I certainly wouldn’t be posting a video about it…I’m sure many highly qualified and experienced service members of the armed forces around the world 🌎 are cringing 😬
I saw this video when it first came out, it's quite old, I'm an ex Warminster trained sniper, and to me it was like they had forgotten most things and were trying to remember as they went along, but to me it was confusing, and I was worse off for watching, the little I did watch, I don't think I've watched any of his videos since last year, so I know this video is old.
As a Navy Vet, your video reminds me of the fresh out collage midshipman who could perfectly navigate a ship under basic sea fairing conditions, but I have literally watched many melt under pressure of real world combat situations when AV-8 jump jets are landing 10 feet from the bridge and helos taking off on the aft end. Shooting @ targets and slow moving animals is one thing, but when u add in a mission and real life or death scenarios theoretical experience and practical experience are separate things, but I am sure you reach your goal of gaining more viewers.
Although what you are saying is true that’s completely irrelevant to the fact that they did a very poor job communicating with each other. With that logic if he was truly that bad in a calm scenario how bad would he be under pressure. What’s most likely is that they were just messing around.
@@reddirtwarrior5956 I get your point but imagine if that military sniper were to take a precision shooter into combat, the perfect technical jargon, and waiting for the perfect precision shots would be thrown right out the window. That military person could make the same video, but title it "Precision Shooter Folds Under Combat Pressure."
@@reddirtwarrior5956 and I get that this is not combat, but most of the operators that I know will tell you is that all they need is an 80% solution to solve combat situations because there are two many variables, what I saw in the video are guys who still stick to that even when he is making a TH-cam Video.
@@keithm.8230 I agree that being under pressure has a lot to do with how someone performs. I’m not denying that he is very lethal it was just strange how poorly they communicated. Of course in a real combat situation you’d be lucky to have a spotter. I think in all reality he was just screwing around. He wasn’t prone trying to get on target at 300 yards most of the precision shooters talking crap couldn’t do that without being in prone.
@@reddirtwarrior5956 100% agree.
well i clicked the "like" button, but that's only for you Piet. Thanks for sharing and thanks for being the professional that you are. Makes us all better. They need to watch your channel.
I appreciate that!
When I watched the video I got the vibe of it being way more just fun and relaxed screwing around, not being super serious shooting.
It also helps to look through the optic as you make a correction.
Would love to see your guide on a freshly mounted scope for a comparison. You would think being a sniper they would be able to reign in the shot much faster.
Have a look for the video pinned in the commenta