Pen Battle: LAMY safari vs TWSBI Eco

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  • @billclockwell
    @billclockwell 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +318

    The ink window is kinda pointless when the competitor is transparent lol

    • @whooobie
      @whooobie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Lol I was just about to say this too

    • @TJulieta
      @TJulieta 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂 my thoughts exactly

    • @Normy12
      @Normy12 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      but it is the clearest ink window possible! That was one heck of a argument, I was laughing my butt off.

    • @Duyanh2806
      @Duyanh2806 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lmao

    • @JosueRodriguez08
      @JosueRodriguez08 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are transparent lamys​@@Duyanh2806

  • @TJulieta
    @TJulieta 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    "Where are you pulling that data from, Drew?"
    "My brain."
    😂😂😂

    • @rangeldi
      @rangeldi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Source: voices in my head. 😂

    • @TJulieta
      @TJulieta 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rangeldi 🤣

  • @Volkmannx
    @Volkmannx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +156

    Came for the arguments, stayed for the facial expressions.
    Anyway, thank you!

    • @taimdala
      @taimdala 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Brian and Drew certainly do not disappoint in the expressions department!

  • @LedgerAndLace
    @LedgerAndLace 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    This was FUN! Rachel needs to be outside holding up a poster through the window about Lamy's unfriendly grip for her kind of writing. And others can join her for that "morning news" vibe.

  • @5peeeedy1
    @5peeeedy1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    I FULLY BLAME THE ECO FOR SENDING ME DOWN THE ROAD TO FOUNTAIN PEN TOWN. Safari was my first fountain pen, but it wasn’t until I got the ECO that I realized what a magical, fantastical world the land of fountain pens can be. The ECO forced me to buy an ink- which was oh so enjoyable to watch sloshing around the barrel. 3 more TWSBIs and 4 new bottles of ink were ordered a week after acquiring my TWSBI ECO and my collection continues to rapidly grow. With the Lamy Safari, I dutifully used the included ink cartridge… completely oblivious to the wonders that awaited me. ECO was the pen that got me addicted.

    • @ArpanBhattacharyafindarpan
      @ArpanBhattacharyafindarpan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      100% agreed. I too blame TWSBI ECO to make me start spending a huge chunk of my hobby money to fountain pens..😊

    • @slane_design
      @slane_design 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      same

    • @devanshi2193
      @devanshi2193 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I am officially scared. I have 2 safari’s use them on and off, alternating with my normal Muji. but for the first time i have ordered TWSBI Eco with Pilot Yama buds ink… I cannot afford a new hobby :P

    • @5peeeedy1
      @5peeeedy1 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@devanshi2193 Your fear is legitimate! 😂. There seems to be no end to the discoveries with pens, ink, paper, etc. For me personally, I find this hobby satisfies my need to be organized and my need for a daily dose of creativity.

  • @leanngoodall7602
    @leanngoodall7602 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    I have TWISBI Ecos (6). I have LAMY Al-Stars (6). Each pen is filled with a different colour. I use five of each in my artwork. Half are filled with waterproof inks and half with non-waterproof. I have a LAMY in my home office to write with. I have a TWISBI at my work office. I don't m8nd refilling the Lamy at home frequently (necessary because it holds so much less ink). I use the TWISBI at my work office because it holds a lot of ink and I can easily see how much is left. This is essential so that I don't head off to a meeting with a nearly empty pen.
    I love the triangular hold on the Lamy...it lets me have super control when sketching. I love the ink capacity of the TWISBI for long sketching sessions.
    Love them both.

  • @LittleDogsHouseholdStaff
    @LittleDogsHouseholdStaff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    “More cartridges than the Eco has” 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Drew is hilarious! I love it!

  • @oscarmedina1597
    @oscarmedina1597 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    You guys have to keep doing these. This was hilarious!😂

  • @danielklopp7007
    @danielklopp7007 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I have multiple copies of each of these pens (in various colors) and I tend to prefer the Safari. The ABS plastic used in the Safari makes it a better knock-around pen (ABS is a much tougher plastic than acrylic). Another feature that's overlooked is the ability to "hot swap" nibs on the Safari (i.e. no need to de-ink the pen).
    Long live the Safari !!

    • @raeedibnzaman1
      @raeedibnzaman1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Do you know if the Lamy Vista also uses ABS?

    • @danielklopp7007
      @danielklopp7007 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@raeedibnzaman1 - I am not privy to the resins used by Lamy, however my guess is the Lamy Vista is not made from ABS (clear ABS is generally "milky clear", not crystal clear like acrylic or polycarbonate). If I were a Lamy engineer, I would choose polycarbonate, since polycarbonate is much tougher than acrylic (i.e. more in keeping with the rest of the Safari line)... but I am not a Lamy engineer so the short answer is, I don't know what resin they use for the Vista.

    • @raeedibnzaman1
      @raeedibnzaman1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@danielklopp7007 Thank you so much for your comprehensive reply!

  • @js4637
    @js4637 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I considered the TWSBI Eco, Lamy Safari, and Kaweco Sport fountain pens (after almost giving up the hobby on a Preppy) as a beginner. I went with the TWSBI Eco because of the color variety and I adore my two glows. I also now own a bunch of Kaweco Sports because of their color variety, ease of nib changes, etc. I am a tinkerer who enjoys variety. Taking them apart, cleaning, using bottles of ink, buying a limited edition that calls to me.... that is where my joy is.

  • @midnightprincessful
    @midnightprincessful 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +166

    TWSBI Eco all the way!! ❤

    • @aaabbbccc176
      @aaabbbccc176 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Totally agree!

    • @josh_002
      @josh_002 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sure, until the pen cracks..

    • @dragonfly656
      @dragonfly656 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Totally agree. I started with 2 Safaris and then found the Eco. Eco all the way. So reliable and so beautiful.

    • @el-mustaphastudio
      @el-mustaphastudio 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I love watching calligraphy writing clips on TH-cam but down here in Maiduguri, Nigeria no fountain pen in our markets.

  • @LaurenceWillis
    @LaurenceWillis 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I love how Brian tried to wrap it up when Drew started talking about the disassembly of the ECO. LOL

  • @akaErma
    @akaErma 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Safari was my first fountain pen and I have no complaints about it, *except* that it dries out if left unused for a while. I have *never* had the Eco be anything but juicy wet every single time I uncap it.

  • @judyjacobs5827
    @judyjacobs5827 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Sloshitude? Brilliant! Thanks for that, gentlemen.

  • @joanwerthman4116
    @joanwerthman4116 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    When I gifted my friend’s children with their first fountain pen I gave them all Safaris with bulb syringes and a bunch of different Lamy cartridges so they could change ink colors as kids love to do. I have a number of ecos, but they aren’t as easy for beginners, the feeds are delicate and the nibs often write like nails. Lamy nibs are far better save for the occasional lemon who is easily replaced.

    • @alohaboy96
      @alohaboy96 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I've never had a twsbi nib write bad. I do almost always use broad nibs though.

    • @joanwerthman4116
      @joanwerthman4116 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Actually, I don’t have a problem with them either. But for beginners, I expect something more likely to be smoother is better. Good fountain pen friendly paper is also a must, so I included small journals for each which I forgot to mention. I wanted to make things easy as possible for them and it worked out nicely.

    • @yangsu2235
      @yangsu2235 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@alohaboy96 I have three of them in EF/F write horrible recently. Two of them almost are writeable at all. I emailed them, they were eager to make an exchange for the nibs. I did have others several years ago. They work fabulously.

    • @alohaboy96
      @alohaboy96 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@yangsu2235 interesting. I've never used the smaller nibs. I just like the look, feel, and juiciness of broad nibs

  • @robynjohnson5750
    @robynjohnson5750 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Please do more of these! 👍🙌 Totally entertaining with great humorous banter and I learned a bit more about each pen. Thanks!

    • @Gouletpens
      @Gouletpens  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      We'll have another one this week! - Drew

  • @smokeyoak
    @smokeyoak 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    It's the Eco for me hands down, no contest. I had an old Eco on my shelf filled with ink for a year, it didn't dry up or clog, and I brought it to jury duty still writes great without any fuss.
    My first FP was a Safari and while it was great to get me into the hobby, I grew disappointed in them once I experienced other pens. I collected a decent range of pens since then. My favorites for a while were Sailors, but no matter what I'm carrying I also always carry an Eco. I feel they are reliable and satisfying to fill, hold, and to look at the ink swishing inside. It's a great FP experience IMO.
    The only thing I prefer about Safaris is that they use cartridges / converters. I like to syringe clean and refill cartridges / converters because I'm overly cautious about contamination. The ink capacity of the Eco is definitely a double-edged sword, but if you have a favorite ink, with an Eco you have it available year round

  • @Jay-ql4gp
    @Jay-ql4gp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I have Goulet Pen's Lamy Vista in black. And I absolutely adore it. And I have a TWSBI Eco in Orange and I absolutely adore it. I carry my Lamy Vista to work with me because of that nice click on cap. It really is a workhorse especially with that mountain climbing crabiner-like clip. The TWSBI I leave at home (I'm worried I'll over torque the cap and ruin the threads-so I don't use it as much)

  • @travelminipainter
    @travelminipainter 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    "OPERTAOIN & USE" - Made me crack up with a good heartfelt chuckle!
    I have both pens and love both equally. I went through uni with my Lamys and have many fond memories of study sessions with this fountain pain.

  • @deeess3305
    @deeess3305 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I love the trivial and entertaining bickering! You two are absolutely awesome! Thank you!

  • @penelopewarren3168
    @penelopewarren3168 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Own them both. both good value for the price. If I could only keep one it would be the Eco. Feels better in my hand--more substantial. Love being able to see the ink.

  • @ronhori
    @ronhori 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love the creativity and humor that both of you brought to this video! And you made good comments about both pens. I have several TWSBI and Lamy pens and enjoy both brands and models for different reasons and different writing needs. I also have other pens and learned that each brand and each pen has a special personality that attracted me to add to my collection.

  • @lobstershorts1
    @lobstershorts1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    You two are looking dapper today

  • @pastelpinkfairy
    @pastelpinkfairy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    My favorite thing about the Eco's clear barrel is that you get such an unobstructed view of the ink leaking all over you when it cracks.

    • @rangeldi
      @rangeldi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      😂😂😂

  • @jankafka7330
    @jankafka7330 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Between my wife and I we have at least five TWSBI ECOs, with the full range of nibs, all of which get used on a regular basis. There's one Safari, in the house a pen my wife bought because it was yellow, which never gets inked because neither of us like the grip section and the way the pen writes.

  • @sunnycharacter
    @sunnycharacter 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Wow, suits! Fancy 😎

  • @helloitsjordan
    @helloitsjordan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I’m waiting on the arrival of my first TWSBI Eco in the mail, ordered from Goulet! Perfect timing.

  • @karendavidson6580
    @karendavidson6580 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Im a both/and. Love them both

  • @aresaurelian
    @aresaurelian 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love this surprisingly agenty style. Love the variations and contrasts of sensations. A great "opertaion" to see the merchandize, and compare.

  • @stareenafraser
    @stareenafraser 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Can't unsee the potato peeler hahahahhaha oh my!

  • @tawnyalege5314
    @tawnyalege5314 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think you've found your next sticker! Sloshitude! Love it!

  • @sounddude177
    @sounddude177 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I have one safari.
    I have 29 ecos in 29 different colors.
    Pretty obvious whose team I'm on!

    • @heathergleiser
      @heathergleiser 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same! One Safari, eight Ecos.

  • @WoWHunterkari
    @WoWHunterkari 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ok first, I’m definetively Team Both. As germans we used Fountain pens since 2nd grade (i got a Lamy ABC while my brother got the Pelikan Junior), in 5th grade we got the Safari like almost all our Classmates.
    I think i got my first TWSBY Eco 2022? Don’t remember, but it was when the Glow in the Dark launched. And let me say, it writes reliable, for a long time, the weight is ok, but i just wished it didn’t come with a screw-on-cap. That’s the only reason it will never be my designated diary pen, cause when i want to take quick notes i just don’t have the patience to unscrew it every time. And yes, when i leave it uncapped it gets dry.
    Also, if i want to see the cartridge/converter better i just use the Vista (that IS a demonstrator Safari, same build just clear)

  • @thalion2011
    @thalion2011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    That was fun and entertaining. I have both of them but since childhood I always return to the Safari. So, Team Safari, of course 👍

  • @jonathan1636
    @jonathan1636 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love these guys. Truly inspirational what the Goulets have done with their business. I mean, I still remember when Brian started. And when the gentleman in the video started as well.
    As for the pens here: they cater to different types of users. But both can be enjoyed by all. If you like tinkering, then twsbi. If you want a classic design (the safari has been around a *while*), go safari. If you like pens and all that goes with them, get both.

  • @LucyLu_meztli
    @LucyLu_meztli 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Big fan of both! Lamy might not include the converter, but it comes with an ink cartridge, which is pretty beginner friendly.
    Twsbi Eco, you would need to buy ink, and that can be overwhelming…

  • @eunicefazzi6697
    @eunicefazzi6697 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a new person to the community/Hobby I have both. But I was disappointed how quickly I ran out of ink in the safari and I write a lot by hand. So yes I had to get acquainted with bottles quickly so I could refill the safari and use the Eco. Especially since the cartridges are so small for Lamy, I think bottle is the more efficient way to go. So because I write a lot by hand I would say Eco because of the higher capacity it will hold.

  • @43pages55
    @43pages55 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got a Lamy as my first pen. It writes amazing straight out of the box, not a fan of the grip though. Got into Kaweco Sports and been using those. Although they are not as reliable nib wise. Just ordered a Twsbi mini. Excited for it to get here. I’ll come back with my winner once I’ve had a week or so to test it out.

    • @0walleye0
      @0walleye0 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How'd it go?

  • @berolinastrassmann
    @berolinastrassmann 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was hilarious and useful! Endless one liners: "LAMY Safari: no malarkey" 😂😂

  • @user-zl5cr7cr7j
    @user-zl5cr7cr7j 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love my Lamy and ALWAYS have it inked. I plan on getting a TWISBY soon.

    • @madisonlerma6939
      @madisonlerma6939 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I got an extra fine TWSBI and expected it to have quite a bit of feedback. To my surprise, it was so smooth and I couldn’t believe it was an EF!! I love mine!

  • @JavierCasillas
    @JavierCasillas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    TWSBI - smoother writing, longer lasting, cooler design. Lamy - really great video ads.

  • @emarino9805
    @emarino9805 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    NEED MORE OF THESE!!!! Hilarious and informative

  • @RogerEhinger-tg1hv
    @RogerEhinger-tg1hv 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I own a couple of Ecos and one Safari, I use the Ecos far more often. In part because of the visibility of the ink and they always write when I need a pen. The forced grip on the Safari may be an issue too, I just gravitate towards the TWSBI s.

  • @adinbradley98
    @adinbradley98 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I like the lamy and appreciate the fact that they are still made in Germany

  • @rctrombone1
    @rctrombone1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was a fantastic discussion. I also own both of these pens. Safari was my first and I would still suggest it to anyone. Having said that, my Twisbi is the one that stays on my desk constantly. And of course the Kawco sport in my pocket. Nice work guys!

  • @cmw9876
    @cmw9876 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm delighted you two are having an argument about pens. That's what normal humans do. We know everyone argues & would be surprised if you never did.
    I started on a brown medium Safari. Bought other Safaris (one is bright RED ! !) plus cartridge converters. When I got comfy with the notion of taking one to bits, I got a TWSBI 580 Diamond. It worked well with very little use & then the cap broke in two. Hmm. I won't be buying another TWSBI. I have splurged on a Pelikan Souverän M805/800 - nice pen but irrelevant to the discussion .... but it does work. That's important.

  • @spiderwrangler4457
    @spiderwrangler4457 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Opertaion is the new comp-nay.

    • @sadieengland8743
      @sadieengland8743 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That cracked me up too

  • @reneehawkins7266
    @reneehawkins7266 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Order my first Lamy Safari this weekend. Super excited for it ✒✒✒ Of course, I ordered from The Goulet Pen Company. I am one of your Hampton Roads neighbors.

  • @saraho92
    @saraho92 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I got a little shiver at 0:52 when the blue behind the words 'Pen Battle' was the exact same shade of blue as Brian's shirt.

    • @TheStockwell
      @TheStockwell 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I had the same Yves Klein blue moment. It's like one of those Kubrickian details which conspiracy addicts can't get enough of. 😏
      Best wishes from Vermont ❄️

    • @DougYerger
      @DougYerger 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or when "Round 2: Opertaion & Use" came on the screen. 🙂

    • @vermis8344
      @vermis8344 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Now that you mention it, I think that's a white shirt that Brian spilled Baystate Blue on.

  • @varadharajannadarajah
    @varadharajannadarajah 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Usually Brian will speak formally and Drew will make funny faces. This time roles are reversed 😂

  • @tommyballou
    @tommyballou 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hot swapping the nibs on an inked-up Safari is a nice feature.

  • @kart182
    @kart182 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Started off with a TWSBI 580ALR, stuck with a Lamy Safari because I can just yank the cap off and write. Love both, but I use the Lamy more day to day

  • @juliewillson3378
    @juliewillson3378 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I prefer the satisfaction of snapping the cap onto the Safari, but I love the sloshability of the Eco. I enjoy seeing Noodlers SW Sunset in my Eco, but it doesn’t write well. I love the stub nib on my Safari. It really shows off the sheening of Birmingham Tesla Coil, and the nib is smooth as silk.

  • @KendallW
    @KendallW 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    SO GOOD! I've always loved these type of debates, but extra fun with the suits and stacks of papers. Also, love the idea of a poll for the community to decide. Super cool!

  • @dorothykern8537
    @dorothykern8537 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I completely agree with the giftability of the Safari!! Now I'm looking into the Eco and i'm excited to get into this world!

  • @user-qw2ns4oe7i
    @user-qw2ns4oe7i 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is so amusing! My first Fountain pen i bought is a Lamy Safari and my second one is a TWSBI Eco and I like both for specific uses. Also, love the facial expressions. Thank you! ahahahah

  • @SeaweedKisses
    @SeaweedKisses 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    TWSBI all the way!!🖌️❤️👏 I’m with you, Brian!

  • @purlmonster
    @purlmonster 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The showdown I didn't know I needed LOL I've been a die hard Lamy Safari supporter since I was... ahem... 10??? But you know, maybe I should try the TWSBI Eco to see for myself.

  • @Jazmin_Ortega
    @Jazmin_Ortega 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You guys crack me up. Drew seemed fully committed to his role, and Brian looked like he was trying not to laugh throughout. The Safari was my first writing fountain pen, have had one for more than 12 years, and more recently added the Twsbi Eco for sketching. I agree that the Safari is the better entry-level pen, and appreciate the Eco's ink capacity, but the lack of ease in switching out nibs is a limitation that I hope Twsbi can solve in the future.

    • @sharkpopsicles
      @sharkpopsicles 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not sure how you mean lack of ease switching TWSBI nibs. I don't have any issues removing and swapping them and I don't really hear about people having issues with it unless they're being extra rough.

    • @Jazmin_Ortega
      @Jazmin_Ortega 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean the ease of changing nibs in the sense that they don't sell spare nibs (8:42), where you have a variety of nibs to choose from with Safari@@sharkpopsicles. As a sketcher my dream would be to put a fude nib on an Eco... (someone may have done this but I haven't figured it out).

    • @taimdala
      @taimdala 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      TWSBI did solve the nib-swap limitation but did so with their Diamond 580 model. The nib/feed unit unscrews from the grip like a vintage Esterbrook nib unit. If you keep your 580 in nib-up position when you do this, you don’t even have to empty your pen of ink before swapping the nib.
      If TWSBI did this with the Eco, they would have to remake the Eco mold/machine the pen differently by adding a set of threads for the nib/feed unit to screw onto. That may incur extra expense in the pen’s manufacture and would raise the cost point on the pen itself.

    • @Jazmin_Ortega
      @Jazmin_Ortega 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@taimdala good to know, thanks for sharing!

    • @taimdala
      @taimdala 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Jazmin_Ortega you're welcome! 😊

  • @ellisp1nk
    @ellisp1nk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really wishing this video came out before I bought my Safari. I love the Safari, but there’s so many things about the Eco I didn’t think about that Brian mentions and it blows me out of the ink jar

  • @tamantha
    @tamantha 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Lamy all the way!

  • @michaeldugger7716
    @michaeldugger7716 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very good video gents! You guys both look very sharp in those suits, classy! I have both the Lamy and the TWSBI pens and I learned a couple things I did t know by watching this video. Thanks again for doing these videos. They are educational as well as entertaining!👍

  • @drthomas4179
    @drthomas4179 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I enjoyed the video, but one important thing that was not covered is the writing feel of the nibs. Here the TWSBI pens are far and away the smoothest.

  • @shazzagirl9803
    @shazzagirl9803 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Oh my Gosh 1 minute in and you guys have me in stitches 😂

  • @berolinastrassmann
    @berolinastrassmann 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    18:38 Combinations: if you have a few Lamys, you can DIY change barrels and sections to match your taste.

  • @MariaReyes-xy6hj
    @MariaReyes-xy6hj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice talk guys! But my favorite is kaweco! Kicked myself when i bought all the nibs( now i just want pen bodies)

  • @TaraHornbacker
    @TaraHornbacker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I use stub nibs and so I have to order a 15.00 nib + converter with every Safari...so, the eco wins since the stub nib isn't an extra 15. But I still order a Safari now and then...loved the new blackberry/pink beautiful with blackberry ink...such a win!!

  • @annespaperspot2747
    @annespaperspot2747 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is the best debate I have watched in a long time since I am avoiding all political debates. 😅

  • @busternineshoes
    @busternineshoes 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My first fountain pen was a Stypen at Secondary School here in the UK in 1973. We had to write with a fountain pen in English lessons. The Stypen used short IS cartridges. I soon changed to a Platignum Varsity that took the long IS cartridge. Cartridge pens are by far the best to start with. I do have a load of Lamy blue cartridges in my drawer that have never been used though...

  • @renorrc7222
    @renorrc7222 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love the suit and ties! I love when you guys debate which pen is the better pen. I did buy the Lamy Dark Lilac ink and I love it! I am wondering what is the best paper to use it on, I notice the shimmer doesn't shine on many of the papers I use.

    • @ZWolfgang
      @ZWolfgang 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Iroful will show the shimmer. Most other papers cannot compare with regard to displaying color and shimmer. And, it's great paper in all the other aspects, as well.

  • @alexbond03
    @alexbond03 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Twsbo Wco White Rose Gold (About 70USD if u buy in India: while Lami costs almost same), however, its still worth it. Granted i almost messed it up while cleaning bcoz i forgot which way the piston opens, and i had a hard time putting it back (to the extent i was willing to take it to a pen hospital). That being said, its one my of my best pens (baring Metropolitan for its smooth nib). And i realise 1 thing, after few days, the nib of Eco is really really really smooth too. Also, its very flexible considering its a steel nib

  • @fountainpenink6593
    @fountainpenink6593 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i giggled the whole video, Brian your commentary to Drew's speech had me on the floor

  • @dragonabsurda
    @dragonabsurda 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I started out with Lamy (and even digitally modeled and 3D printed a nib holder for quickly sampling inks with each of the Lamy nib sizes), buuuut.... ever since I got my first TWSBI, I've hardly touched my Lamy's. One of the biggest winners for me is how reliably the TWSBIs write and how they never seem to dry out, even if one of them gets neglected for a bit. I like the convenience of the Lamy Safari snap cap, but the TWSBI Swipe scratches that itch with a much better seal (and it takes cartridges AND comes with TWO different cartridge converters). The Swipe feels less durable than the ECO or 580, but it easily gives Lamy Safari a run for its money if you're talking about starter pens.

  • @corysoxydiaries
    @corysoxydiaries 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    who’s idea is this anchor news setting?!? brilliant!!! u guys made my day😍🤩🙌🏻

  • @pontoon_cat
    @pontoon_cat 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Somehow missed this when it dropped two months ago, but it's aged pretty well. Both TWSBI and Lamy have been prolific this year with these models, Lamy dropping 6 new editions of the Safari only half way in. I kind of forgot about my Al-Star, came back to it today, threw some Pilot Iroshizuku Yama-budo in it; what a pleasant pen to write with. Only wish the Z28 converter came apart (like Platinum and Sailor converters do) for ease of cleaning.

  • @dtaggartofRTD
    @dtaggartofRTD 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The ABS of the Safari is certainly tough. Never had any cracking issues with them. I've had multiple Ecos crack in the section near the sides of the nib in normal usage. Love them both though.
    If you don't write much, the Safari's cap seal can be a potential problem. The TWSBI caps do seal nice, so they seldom develop problems drying out. I did find the huge capacity of TWSBI pens to be a little frustrating starting out since I frequently wanted to try different inks.

  • @DestroyerOfWords
    @DestroyerOfWords 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Buy BOTH. My first Lamy was a gift in 1987, I've got close to 20 Lamys altogether. Also have a few TWSBI Ecos, they are also great. They rarely dry out and hold tons of ink.

  • @billclockwell
    @billclockwell 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The interesting thing about the safari clip is that its both big and simultaneously small
    On the pen it's huge but clipped on my sweater it legitimately disappeared I had to feel around for it, the wire is pretty thin

  • @michellet5978
    @michellet5978 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was super new at fountain pens when I received my first TWSBI Eco. I love to tinker so of course, I took the whole thing apart because they dangled a little wrench in my face. Ten minutes later I was frantically searching the internet to try to figure out why the pen looked right, but wasn't right enough to write. DREW BROWN TO THE RESCUE! I found your TWSBI Eco video explaining the "wrench zone" and the "space and no space" with all of the extremely helpful sound effects (which I also used) and in seconds my pen was ready for the beautifully pigmented tears of the gods (Diamine Marine). I personally love the TWSBI but if I'm gifting a pen, the Lamy Safari would be the winner. That all being said, I had so much fun playing with my pen and learning how it worked and I'm super grateful that your video was there to help me find my mistake. Both pens are winners! Thank you for this fun comparison. ❤

  • @MoniDmajor
    @MoniDmajor 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:37 Thanks for the laugh! I spilled coffee over my fancy keyboard and it was absolutely worth it!!! 🤣

  • @roberteidsa8130
    @roberteidsa8130 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My first fountain pen was a Lamy Al-star with a converter, basically a metall safari. The second pen was a TWSBI eco 🤗 Both pens are really good, but I really liked that the eco never dried out. The third pen and most recent is the TWSBI 580 Diamond. At the moment I have the 580 Diamond and the Lamy inked up, both are reliable and good writers 😊

  • @7_v610
    @7_v610 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guys, thanks for the insightful video. I just purchased a TWSBI Eco with a Fine nib a few days ago. I inked it with a Jacques Herbin Terre d’Ombre. Guess what? Starting writing in the office, initially (the first few minutes), I kind of impressed by its smoothness. Keep writing, with a normal note-taking pace, the flow started drying out. Gradually, the letters started becoming thinner and thinner; I started reaching a point where there was a readability issue coming out clearly! With continuing writing, in addition to that “thinning” of the letters (not aware whether there is a dedicated term for that), I started having skipping problems. Today, I referred back to the retailer (a UK retailer, since I am in England) for giving me a solution.
    Conclusion: I am not sure if it happened I was that unlucky to end up with a problematic pen (i.e., the way it has been manufactured by the company), but if not, there is no the slightest comparison with the ample flow capacity of a LAMY! Not the slightest chance! I own like 6 LAMYs so far, and had never had aaaaaaaaanyyyyy issue with them! Their reliability is to be studied. On the contrary, the aforementioned TWSBI is my first ever TWSBI, and come out either problematic, or not a fountain pen model with sufficient flow capacity to support everyday writing activity in the office. I highlight that the TWSBI has a fine nib. I do not know if things would be different with a medium. However, even if they would, the fine nib option would not be a suggestion from me as a “workhorse”, … except (of course), if I had been that much unlucky with my first TWSBI Eco purchase! In any case, though, this first TWSBI purchase of mine came with a disappointment. 😢😢😢

  • @anneK3801
    @anneK3801 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TWSBI for the win! I only have one, because of the price tag, maybe? I have 6 LAMY and I like the colors and finish, I even like the line...when I finally get them to write! They are the worst, right up there with Jinhao, for drying out and hard starting. Even then, I think the nib feels smoother and more juicy on the Eco. Love the capacity, and the option to totally disassemble because I have about 50 pens inked and sometimes they get crusty (who would be like that, right?).

  • @TWTourist
    @TWTourist 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love your battles. I’m just starting down this rabbit hole and can say it looks a lot cheaper than the knife I’m trying to get out of. 😁. As for the battle, Drew wins from a beginner’s point of view. One thing he forgot to mention was it’s easier to travel with ink cartridges than ink bottles. With that said, you guys have convinced me into ordering a eco as my next pen. 😁😇🤣

  • @mrjughead87
    @mrjughead87 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I own both, buy both, be happy both. Both both = smiles

  • @slowfootlabeef704
    @slowfootlabeef704 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TWSBI- I don't have to pay extra for a 1.1 stub. I tried the special lamy cursive nib. Writes exactly the same as the fine.

  • @gigglingchicken8444
    @gigglingchicken8444 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love both but if I had to choose the Eco for sure. I tend to always have at least one eco inked at all times.

  • @ChristopherBogs
    @ChristopherBogs 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I adore my TWSBIs but for a starter pen I think I have to go with the Safari for ease of use and indestructibility. (I'd send them to the TWSBI Diamond 580 as a great followup pen, though!)

  • @ahmetahmet9673
    @ahmetahmet9673 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Absolutely love the setting, both of you are looking very dapper too. Really enjoyed this thank you. #teamsafari over here 🤓

  • @snowhibiscus
    @snowhibiscus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    TWSBI Eco really great for my shimmering inks, but use the Lamy Safari to write notes in dark during film festival because the grip makes it easier for me to know I have the nib in the correct position. Just preference due to lifestyle. 😊 But price wise I have more Lamys.

  • @penguin1780
    @penguin1780 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Team quad grip who finally was converted to the cult of TWSBI by the beautiful and buttery smooth 1.1 mm Indigo and bronze. I used a whole sample of De Atramentis Columbia (local river) Blue Copper.. I was skeptical, as I had heard about the cracking issue, and I am mostly a vintage person, but it’s the prettiest non gold nibbed pen that I own. For Lamy, I prefer the cp1 with a z57 gold nib, fits my weird grip well, and the 2000.

  • @giselesmith7795
    @giselesmith7795 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a LAMY safari in my bag all the time. Get lots of complements on it. However, I have a TWSBI Diamond 580 (in Iris, so pretty I couldn't resist) and use it quite a bit at home. Will probably pick up an ECO soon just for fun. I am not sure whether to love or hate you guys, as you got me back into collecting pens (a hobby I had abandoned about 25 years ago when all my antique pens got destroyed in a flood). But I am having fun with them....both are very nice pens.

  • @dbrickner5292
    @dbrickner5292 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Eco all the way.

  • @XtianApi
    @XtianApi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As someone who has many thousands of dollars of pens and both of these pens for some reason the Safari just works for me. I love the clip is pretty much indestructible and I love that it's a snap cap. If I'm using a cheap pen I don't want it to be some imitation of a better pain where the threads crack and things break. I have so many broken Diamond 580 it's ridiculous

  • @weloveyouso6083
    @weloveyouso6083 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have both lol I kinda like the safari a tiny bit more I thought I would hate the grip but it's actually comfortable so when I use my twisbi eco I unse the same grip without realizing

  • @rhondacarlock6735
    @rhondacarlock6735 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So entertaining! My cheeks hurt from laughing.

  • @cynthiaslater7445
    @cynthiaslater7445 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I own a Twsbi Eco, but I own a lot of Lamy Safaris. I put my favorite ink in the Eco, Ottoman Roses, because I like looking at it.

  • @ngetal
    @ngetal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You guys!!!! I love this video so much! MORE MORE MORE!

  • @denisekinsley3554
    @denisekinsley3554 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fun segment. I'm Team TWSBI all the way, mainly for the convenience. I know when I grab it that it's going to write immediately and write well. The LAMY writes ok once I get it going, but if I haven't used it for awhile there will be several minutes of sweary struggle to get the ink flowing.

  • @michaelswisher9696
    @michaelswisher9696 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For years I wrote and drew with my MontBlanc (bought in 1973). In 1994, a friend gifted me a Lamy AlStar in aluminum and it fit the task better. When Goulet opened their doors, I bought several Noodler’s and fell in love with piston fillers, nib swapping and general tinkering. My first TWSBI, a 530, pretty much launched an investigation into more alternatives. Upon buying a Leonardo Momento Magico outfitted as a Dolce Vita homage I stopped searching, bought a second with a gold nib and now confine my purchases to converting friends and fellow artist’s to new toys to write/draw with. I think both of the competitors are great choices but give thumbs up to the ECO as a superior studio choice. It just works, never dries out, and takes all the best blacks for drawing. By the way, thanks for the fun.