I stand by my stance that Battle League is the most pathetic game Nintendo has ever put out. That doesn't mean it's the worst. But a game with ten characters and one stadium? That's the definition of pathetic.
One stadium? There is five wdym? Plus with all the combos that's around 20 something new stages when mixed up. Ten characters are fine as long as the game is updated and keeps up the hype.
Tbh, I think everyone forgot about battle league like a week after it released because there was nothing to build on the basics. That’s all there was, basics and nothing else.
So the same like Charged and Super? If you were on NeoGaf back in the day, the thread for those 2 games died in less than a week. These sports games are just not popular even when they're "good". They're boring 1 hour time wasters and that's it.
Yeah, when I first saw the game, it looked so slow, and not crazy fast, but the stages fucking killed it for me, no environmental stage hazards, nope, that's not Mario game, that's a boring soccer game. And the fact outfits effect stats, suck so much, because I would've love to customize my character without effecting my gameplay of them, so that sucked even more, but I know why they did it, they legit had no variety with characters so they made outfits that changed their stats, like come on. And the fact caption abilities got removed sucked even more, like I would love the counter play between this captions ability vs this other captions ability, 2 giants Mario and Luigi beating the shit out of each other as all hell breaks lose, wario farting and Bowser just exploding all the farts because of his fire breath, Daisy's crystal attack vs donkey Kong slam, it's insane how those abilities worked, and how fun and crazy they were, I was ad they removed mega strikes, but sidekicks getting removed blows, and along with that superstrikes were also removed unless you get this orb thing now, this game felt empty to me, so I just skipped it and I'm glad I did, this would've been a disappointment of a game for me, and I would've been pissed if I bought this game and getting jackshit for my money
This game has so much potential, the core gameplay is fun, the character animations are very good, I like the gear system, and the graphics and music is just amazing. But the problem is the lack of content, we need more characters and more stages with hazards, alongside more modes (like a big field mode)
This game makes me sad more than angry,when you master the game it becomes very boring after a while and you can tell that a lot of the budget went to the character's animation and not the game it self
It sucks that the one major flaw of battle league is that there's barely anything to the game, cause the presentation and *donkey kong's dance* show that this wasn't meant to be a cash grab, but was forced into a cash grab.
The fact that people can still defend shameless souless cash grabs like Battle Leauge and Switch Sports shows that Nintendo has the one of the most loyal and toxic fanbase in gaming.
It’s cause strikers has a bright side to it, which is the fact it’s hella fun to play. I will not lie and say that content is def lacking, but pathetic, hell no.
@@MarioDiamond63 plus Nintendo is literally adding dlc that has 10 more characters and some other things so what's the point in bitching about there not being enough content
Ever heard of mario hoops 3 on 3? It's a mario basketball game for the ds. 21 characters when all are unlocked. 16 stages (if I remember correctly), some of them with interesting twists. Different ways to play the game. Multiple multi-player modes, some of which can be played with only one game card. And I got it for like 20€. Notice something?
Not even a comparison since it was on handheld and usually those games had lower graphics, usually less asking prices since on handhelds, and came out a while ago so of course it costs less. Not defending the lack of content in battle league but still, way more different things in my opinion.
Don't forget about Mario And Sonic At The Olympic Winter Games DS which had 20 characters, over 20 sports, 3 party games, and a story mode. It's an underrated gem thst I recommend you get if you have a ds, 3ds, or a ds/3ds emulator.
Couldn’t agree more. You definitely made a really great point here. It’s the god damn lacklustre roster and lack of content. Yeah where is Daisy?! Nintendo is getting worse like they just want the game immediately to launch without any effect of finishing some details to make it more fun. What a let down after 15 years of absence!
To think if the game even just got ONE more year of development, we probably would have more characters and more modes and content in general. It would of been SO much better!
Nintendo is becoming what Disney has become. A once loved company known for pumping out consistently great works of art has become a company that while it can still make great stuff, it makes some bad stuff and is a greedy shell of their former golden days.
Oof I wouldn't go that far. At least Nintendo is starting to allow LGBT rep and such in their game like no gendered characters or sometimes LGBT characters where Disney doesn't allow any LGBT rep. If you do some research on The Owl House they basically shortened it down to 2 full seasons and a season 3 that's only 3 episodes even tho it should be a full one.
@@darklinggaymer3032 LGBT representation is good but just because it gets represented doesn't make a company good. Nintendo has really shit the bed consistently, doesn't matter how much representation there is we are here for the games and if they suck now, then that's it. The games suck.
I already said this before but I think I'll say it again. I understand how you feel, this was my first Mario Strikers game that I bought with my own money and admittedly it didn't feel worth it to me also. However, I think Nintendo I knew exactly what they were doing with this game. I think they told next level to set aside content for post-launch updates. They wanted to turn Mario Strikers into rocket League. And it made the game feel unfinished as a result considering that the game really doesn't feel like it was designed with this business model in mind. It feels like this game was designed exclusively with quick matches and the Striker's Club in mind and they didn't take the time to flesh it out. Either because this game was always designed this way or was truly unfinished. Ants to developers of the of the games, specifically Camelot, probably didn't know how to make the free updates work well while making Solely multiplayer focused Mario Sports games that's felt complete. There was World Tour on the 3ds, but that was still mainly single player focused and had paid DLC. And yes, they probably were rushed with the Mario sports games on switch. However, I do believe that the worst of this business model is coming to a close. With the growing negative feedback and lack of Interest towards these games and the sales the most of the games that used the business model being less than favorable, I feel like Nintendo is going to look at these games compared to the better selling and better receipts games that use this business model a lot better and they are going to be more careful with, or at least get a better idea of which types of games work and don't work with this business model. Or at least, I hope they learn. It is still good to stay cautious. Or maybe game studios like Camelot will do a better job at making Mario sports games better great for both single player and multiplayer audiences and figure out how to work in the business model better is Nintendo for system to do it again. Or not, Mario sports games fluctuate in quality all the time. I don't think a couple of mediocre Nintendo sports games with free updates it's going to cause Nintendo as much as an identity crisis as what happened with the Nintendo Wii and DS era and new Super Mario Bros. Especially with the negative feedback by critics and the fact that there are great and complete games on the switch that use this business model that Nintendo could learn from. There is Animal Crossing New Horizons, but that game was delayed and the free update kind of made sense considering that Animal Crossing is a real life simulation game. I doubt it will affect series like Mario Kart or something. I understand why Nintendo fans feel let down by these recent decisions, however the train of mediocre sports game will probably stop soon. And Nintendo might change up their strategies with these types of games in the future, or at least we won't get another Wii U situation. And yes I know that Nintendo isn't the one developing most of these games and there isn't just one team doing it but Nintendo is deciding that these games should be given free updates and they decide the release date.
@@randomguyontheinternet7940 Well yeah but every big company is bad. To me the ones who made Cyberpunk and SEGA who rush Sonic games and others that allow seizure glitches in their games or unplayable like Cyberpunk then that's when I call it rushed and if Nintendo went down to that level then yea I'd start criticising. But Nintendo games don't suck cuz they have other games. Imo Sport games are just the little games that are there for no reason apart from if you wanna see what Mario characters do outside the main games. Like if I was a kid and owned Switch Sports and saw this video I wouldn't of thought much because I'm having fun. I still kinda have that mindset but that's changed thx to companies like SEGA and the one who made Cyberpunk because SEGA are incompetent and Cyberpunk devs...well they had the time and somehow released it in an unplayable state to the point modders had to go into their company and fix it.
I already hate Disney for what they've been doing in recent years and I really don't want to start hating Nintendo for what they've been doing recently.
Nintendo is pretty much practicing unethical marketing strategies at this point, releasing a long overdue sequel with little to no content for long time fans, at full price?! They are taking advantage of us, by hyping what was once a good series. Demeech, thanks for your input. Also Daisy kicking shuntaro in the cojones was 100X more content than Strikers Battle League itself.
"Full price". $60 today is nothing compared to what $60 back then was. Games from back then would cost around $90 in today's money. If companies tried to sell their games for $90, even with WAY more content in them, gamers would bitch about "corporate greed". You can't have it both ways. You want to pay $60 for a game? Expect it to have less content. You want a full fledged game that has all the content of days of old? You better be willing to pay $90 for it.
@@Prodigial Awesome! that's fine by me. You can live by that principle, I won't. Though I'm appreciative of recession, that doesn't change the fact they're charging $60. Compare Strikers Battle League to these $60 titles: Mario Maker, Mario Kart, and Smash Ultimate. Notice how these games almost have an endless amount of content, or features? (e.g., map editor, large variety of customization, over 40 characters, multiple game modes, varied map gimmicks, large file sizes, etc.) Meanwhile, Strikers Battle League doesn't even have a single feature of those mentioned above. Not to mention Strikers Charged, imagine having a predecessor having loads of content and features which allow for it to justifying $60 bucks, while the successor is far from justified. If anything, Strikers Battle League is a title that's worth roughly $25. This should apply to every Mario sports spin-off which relies on the, "finish it later" strategy and free DLC that only adds characters. As a matter of fact, file sizes could be a factor to determine the price of a game, depending on the assets which are relevant to gameplay, and cosmetic files are disregarded from this decision. With a cap of the standard $60. The Nintendo I once knew is gone, without a trace.
@@marcost.2413 Battle League when compared to Strikers Charged, costs approximately between $35-40, so your assessment isn't far off. I don't care about half the things y'all say you want, and I secretly don't think you guys truly care about it either. A full fledged story mode? For a Mario sports game? Arenas with annoying hazards/gimmicks that are going to be turned off/disabled once you go online unless you are playing incredibly casually? The actual gameplay here is SUPER solid; I've had a blast playing online. I've gotten roughly $25 hours in which means that, for every hour of entertainment, I've spent a measly $2.50. That's a good deal imo. Yes, the niche sports game lacks the content of franchises that are literally mainline titles with mass appeal. Are you shocked? The Mario sports games do not have the appeal that Mario Kart or Smash have. You are heavily encouraged to purchase those games over this one if you have not yet, and I'm sure those games had budgets that tower over Battle Leagues because Nintendo knew they would sell millions upon millions. The truth is that, even if Strikers was completely LOADED with more content than you could imagine (Smash Ultimate levels of content), the game would not sell that much more than it's going to sell anyway. Be a smart consumer and examine products that you want to buy. I waited for reviews of the game and for gameplay to come out before I made my purchase of Battle League. I saw the content available, saw the gameplay, saw the price tag, and thought "I think this is worth $60 because I will get a lot of entertainment out of this." If that's NOT you, then don't buy the game. But I don't understand the complaining coming out of people for games that are dirt cheap compared to what games used to cost.
@@Prodigial that’s a laughably bad argument. There has been so many amazing games that have came out this decade and nearly all of them are 60$. I’ve even seen some great games that are in the 40$ range.
Here’s the thing with switch sports right. It’s bad,I’m not denying that,but it’s $40-$50,wasn’t something that fans were necessarily dying for,tries to do something new,and at least has a decent amount of modes. This on the other hand is $60,fans have been asking for it for years,it is completely lack luster,barely has any modes,and is a huge low for next level games. Both are bad,but this one makes me more mad
10 characters, 1 stage, no extra game modes, and it's FULL PRICE. They're selling an arcade game for FULL PRICE. It costs as much as BREATH OF THE WILD.
Glad to see that i'm not the only one who hates the bland stages from this game. While the game as a whole feels like a step back in terms of gameplay and features, coming closer to being like the first game rather than an actual sequel to Charged, the stages are whole other step back considering how much personality the stages in the first games had.
Tbh, i almost glad that you can't see them, because at this point i'm so sick of seeing the same NSMBWii-esque asthetic in every other Mario spin-off game. (Aside from a few exceptions like MK8, LM2+3, M&L:DT, the Mario & Rabbids games, modern Paper Mario to some extent and i guess also modern Camelot Mario Sports, although those are bland in their own way.)
I'm not going to lie, Battle League looks very fun gameplay-wise, and I love the character designs and animations for the game, but there's no sugarcoating that it should have been set to release during a far later stage of development. It's too incomplete to be released now.
Something you should’ve brought more light to was the fact the online mode has off seasons. As in there are long periods of time where you literally can’t play it for no reason. Even Mario Tennis Aces didn’t have off seasons.
For the fanboys in the back that refuse to listen. The reason people are ok with Free/Paid DLC for games we love and not with this type of games, is because they are made to extend the life of it and add extra content to an already great base experience, not to be an extended deadline so the devs finish the game later. Comparing Strikers, Switch Sports or Mario Golf 'Free DLC' to Fortnite, Borderlands or Smash's DLC is insulting. Because they aren't adding stuff that should've been in the base game for starters, they are adding to an already finished game and expanding on it. They aren't going "Well we managed to put a small roster before the deadline, we'll add Daisy in Fall to make people come back if this underperforms", they are offering you a second round of food apart from the amazing course you already had and enjoyed, not giving you half your order and seeing if you liked it so they give you the rest of it despite you already have paid for it.
For example, if Mario Odyssey was released nowadays, they would just release it with 5-6 Kingdom to boot, half the posessions and one third of the costumes, and offer as 'Free DLC' 5 costumes and the Cloud Kingdom for the next season, to see if it performs well, and if does, slowly roll the rest until we have the game we have, without Luigi's Balloons.
I'm telling you, people that defend anything to do with this game never played or own the two previous games. Battle league is their first mario strikers so they gonna defend a game knowing it has problems. It literally almost been a month of release, wheres the updates? Fortnite and rocket league gets updated every month. Funny they compare that because this also proved they weren't around during the ps2 and gamecube era.
@@ThePika78 kinda disagree with your mario odyssey point since they seem to only do this to sports/spinoff games and not the mainline games because look at the mainline games like Kirby and metroid they come out complete and they did announce they delayed zelda botw 2 to make it better
The problem is that Nintendo was once considered one of the last bastions of consistent quality from the AAA developer world. However, even they have fallen down the path of greed, and it sucks to know that even Nintendo can't be fully trusted anymore. There comes a time in our lives where we have to question if these feelings of frustration are actually nostalgia goggles, or for once, the older generation is right about the old days being better. Of course, bad games always existed, its just that there's bigger and better coverage of it, and the ones we do get are more openly exposed and flagrant with their bad design. A lot of bad games back then? At least a lot could just be chalked up to bad design, instead of the greed of the pigs up top. For the most part.
Great comment. The old days were definitely better since they were forced to release games in a finished state since they couldn't just "update" the game. Nintendo peaked with the Gamecube, DS, and Wii consoles in my opinion.
What is with the notion that nintendo only recently became greedy? They've been a greedy for a while now. This shouldn't be a surprise, they're a company/corporation after all. They've been greedy even during Iwata's time as President of Nintendo, it just so happens he was a much better President of Nintendo than the hacks that came after him.
We were warned back in 2014 when Nintendo is going to charge you in the near future but back then we weren’t aware how Nintendo will be too corporate than ever with their existence for being anti consumer.
Pay the full price now, and we'll MAYBE complete the game eventually, is a bad deal for buyers. And if anyone but Nintendo was doing this, people would have no problem calling it out.
Nintendo has gotten to the path with Square Enix, one of the most inconsistent game companies of all time. They are releasing amazing games and dumpster fire unfinished games as well
Yep. To keep track of all their treasures, I’m calling those good games “Diamonds in the Rough.” There are some cases that are ultimately a stretch like Star Allies or Origami King, both really good games that are heavily flawed, but at least we’ve gotten good games in the past few years. The Switch’s launch year was its only good year otherwise.
I would still say Nintnedo is the best video game developer, but I can agree that the inconsistency is starting to creep up on them, luckily most of their single player focused games are still great, but their multiplayer ones are starting to die in quality.
At least is not as bad like Sonic 06 is a unfinished game with full of glitches and unresponsive death and I give people nightmares. Some people like bad games. I don’t not buy the game because I all ready know that it was unfinished.
At least it's not like the Gamecube where it was all garbage and shit games. Even the "bad" stuff is still extremely fun. Gamecube was just embarrassing on every level. Thankfully we spoke with our wallets and made that purple turd fail!
I'm so sad with what nintendo has done with these mario sports games. They've done this "free" update shit for all three switch mario sports games, and it's just getting worse and worse. The amount of stuff in these mario sports games in initial release is getting less and less. Making these $20 games with a $60 price tag, absolutely horrible.
When I was a kid, I think Nintendo is one of the best companies ever. Yes, this is 2000s back then. Almost every popular game company were the best of the best back then. Since the modern era came, almost all of the companies that I truly loved with heart became the shell of their former self, mostly greedy. I have very low expectations for Nintendo to be a bad company but because of their recent releases of unfinished games and other horrible practices. Well, here we are! Nintendo became one of the greediest AAA game companies as of now.
It’s probably the community, pressuring Nintendo to be the best gaming company, and the community, also being impatient with the games that have a amazing potential, and eventually making Nintendo, releasing it too early.
@@JXFlores_Customs Ah yes, this might be the reason why we get unfinished games from Nintendo. For my perspective, most of the Nintendo fans were very impatient for the upcoming Nintendo games to release. They don't realize that developing a game needs care, passion, time and money and only to release a game when its ready. Its also their fault for pressuring Nintendo to release their games regardless of quality
@@JXFlores_Customs Yeah, I guarantee by December Mario Strikers Battle League is gonna be an awesome game content wise (it already was gameplay wise). Nintendo fanboys are slowly ruining the company.
I've been watching Demeech only a few months recently but he's become my go to for Nintendo reviews. He won't hold back on the truth even if Nintendo fans don't want to hear it. I'm glad I held off on buying this for Demeech only to restore my thought that this would be a half baked product.
Most Nintendo channels are pretty corny tbh I remember when they added folders to switch and this guy literally had a 10min long video hyping it up like it was 2nd coming of Christ it was quite comical tbh
I feel like this game needs/needed at least 4 things so that everyone can/could be happy 1. Some more characters, maybe 6-8 more 2. Functionally different stadiums 3. Some sort of mission mode 4. A couple extra party-like modes like a target hit mode or a penalty kick mode or an endurance mode
And more items. Theres like only 5. Unlockables… I hate games in which you don’t unlock things by getting good. Like the other games where you could unlock Petey or the robots. Here you only unlock gear, which tbh, it is so lacking because it doesn’t make your characters better, they only redistribute your stats. Making a game where you practically don’t earn enhancements, where winning the cups is for nothing, and only cared about online play with major faults… I got so sad when I finnished the game in three hours. Got all cups, all monotonous…
It’s sad Nintendo doesn’t really try anymore with there multiplayer/sports games, the only game I really liked from them so far this year was Kirby and the forgotten land. I really hope we don’t get Mario kart 9 at this point it means if Nintendo is gonna rush that and only have 2 cups and 10 characters… I still wish battle league didn’t fall into the free update strategy but sadly it did, guess I’ll be playing charged still. Anyway I really wonder how long Nintendo can keep this up still, because if they keep doing the “free update” stuff a few years from now on there new console by then they will lose a lot of fans.
The only exception to the free update rule was Kirby star allies, it was already a completed game it was just too short and too easy, the free update was just adding three new dream friends and a harder difficulties such as heroes in another dimension, and soul melter EX. To be honest I always believed the Kirby franchise was getting special treatment.
The games people say were the "best" of the series are all on a massively flopping system the Gamecube. Good because it was just a massive purple turd that didn't deserve to succeed. Switch is their best system of all time, with Gamecube as their worst.
@@davemarquez770 the Gamecube had far more brutal competition than the switch, considering that the PS2 is still the console with most sales to this day. Personally "worst Nintendo console" would go to the Wiiu and i have both played it and the Gamecube
I saw someone trying defend this game he said it had great gameplay graphics and art but conveniently left out the one thing most people have been complaining about the lack of content
I can understand people defending games like Kirby star allies, it was already complete and the DLC was just harder challenges. But when some people try to defend Mario strikers battle League? that's ridiculous.
@@MacDaddyYuunityAnd then some of these guys wonder why PC gamers insult them so much by calling them Nintendards or fanboys, Because they're defending bad or half baked products.
I paid 60 dollars for a game on the Nintendo Switch that has less content, characters, stages, and gameplay modes then Mario Hoops 3-on-3 for the DS for like 20 dollars. Like, jesus christ, the game has such great animations too, I feel so bad for the people who worked so hard on this cash grab--
@@Demeech One thing that I don't like about _Mario Strikers: Battle League_ is that Nintendo and/or Next Level Games (most likely Nintendo) took the Kritters out and replaced them with Boom-Boom for the goalkeepers!! Now, don't you understand me wrong, here - I don't *_*mind*_* Boom-Boom in being added to the roster (the more playable/semi-playable characters the better is what I always say here!) as the goalkeeper for each team; it's just that Kritter was *_*THE*_*_ _*_ONLY_* representation of the Kremlings that the first 2 Mario Strikers video games had there [we didn't even *_*get*_* King K. Rool as a playable character - for figuratively crying out loud - for either Mario Strikers video game; and yet he was in the _Mario Super Sluggers_ video game as a playable character along with 4 Kritter characters, which were recolours/palette swaps of each other (although that video game was not developed by Next Level Games)!], and now Nintendo/Next Level Games took *_even that_* away from us in the _Mario Strikers: Battle League_ video game!!! 😡😡😡😤😤😤👎👎👎
I think Nintendo has become greedy and lazy because of too much success in money made. When you experience too much success you become conceited. They are not getting enough backlash and criticism.
Imagine waiting 15 years for another Mario strikers game only for Nintendo to completely gone out of touch for us with their bad business practices that destroys not only the game but the franchise itself.
@@laniman4128 Except Splatoon 2 had a substantial basegame and is a multiplayer online game as well. It's not that Splatoon was wrong for it, it's just that they didn't understand the circumstances as to why it was so successful for Splatoon.
Strikers Charged was the best one. Each Main character was a leader of their own team, with several different side characters for teammates and each had their own unique gimmicks. And the stages, the hazards that came with them like the meteors, Tornados, even the electric fence you can see the skeletons of the characters that got shocked. The pure, raw sexy that was the savagery the characters had like Waluigi’s Dick Thrust, Peach’s temper, Wario suicide bombing himself, where did all the edge go!? Now that was a real Strikers that we will never see again. Also I don’t like the gear system, the changing the points in a character’s stats seems unnecessary to me, I rather just keep it cosmetic, a light weighted Bowser or heavy hitting Luigi feels super off. And where is my Kritter Goalie!? All things considered I am glad I didn’t buy this game, I was waiting for reviews and glad I held my money.
About the "Raw Sexy Savagery" bit, I was accepting to not come on the new series because people are even more sensitive nowdays especially competitive ones (like Splatoon 3 don't even have a Lose screen anymore), about everything else, there's no excuse.
Wait till they bring back F Zero only to make it a 60 dollar beta test where they only finish the game with "free updates". Captain Falcon would be disappointed.
Nintendo clearly can't meet deadlines in order to release complete/finished games at launch. It's a sad state of affairs because Nintendo used to put quality into their games before anything else. Greed continues to consume them and that's why we keep getting these half baked, unfinished games at launch.
@@davemarquez770 the gamecube era was actually really good , but it had some of the setbacks that the n64 did (the game medium was driving developers away , and also they had to face off against the playstations 1 and 2 , which meant guaranteed loss). The gamecube did a lot better than the wii u , and its games , while they are really divisive within their respective franchises, they are very unique. Yeah i also hate Mario sunshine like you probably do , but that is pretty much the only unfinished notable game on the platform (not counting smash melee but thats beyond the point)
@@prismiemona One of the least divisive GameCube games on the console is Smash Bros. Melee, but even then, some people were turned off by the Melee community.
@@davemarquez770 you are seriously crying like a baby over an actual good Nintendo console? Wow you must have NO standards if you think the SHwITch is the best system they made
Honestly, most big companies like Epic Games, Mojang, and Roblox are being like Nintendo with inconsistency. Epic is just a Valve wannabe, Mojang with the terrible moderation, and Roblox suffering the same fate as Mojang, it’s disappointing how these once amazing companies just became inconsistent as time went on. It’s sad honestly.
@@nolethXB so your upset a company in a capitalist world is making money? I have some news you might not like. Or is it because they don’t pump games out every year? Because that’s generally a good thing. When a game does come out it’s going to be really good. Half life Alyx proved that.
The saddest part is that a free-to-play Pokemon MOBA of all things started with more characters than a $60 "AAA" 1st Party Nintendo game Granted, half of the starting Pokemon Unite roster were originally Gen 1 but the game updates that adds characters/pokemon at least much more consistently than this game (as well as Aces and Super Rushed)
And data mines just revealed recently MORE fan favorite playable Pokemon that are coming very soon. (In case you haven't been keeping up, I won't spoil but one of them is like a GEN 2 FAVORITE let's just say) Like I have issues with the game (mostly the matchmaking aspect) but you know what... Game still feels like it's got legs and with the constant content updates, it's not going anywhere anytime soon. Mario Golf Super Rush I SWEAR just came and went... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Having a more higher roster of characters does not equal better game sadly, thats mobas for u, i quit it anyways, the game is nothing different from ur average gacha with overpriced skins, and now paywalling of literal characters.
So NOW they are finally adding Daisy(And Shy Guy) to this mess, but its already too late and defeats the whole purpose. She should've been there to begin with, and the game itself is still barren. I don't care about this game anymore, and I'm not devoting more time and money into a mediocre product that already wore out its welcome.
Can we just stop pretending that Nintendo is as good as ever? They've fallen so hard since Iwata died and Reggie left. They are no longer a game company. They are a business that releases entertainment apparatuses that print money for them
@@kingpig8732 I can't think of a single fan game that was even half as good as Nintendo's masterpieces, but sure go off with that weird overexaggeration!
@@davemarquez770 They aren't masterpieces at all, releasing a game with a 60 dollar price tag when it has barely any content worth it, remember when there were games like punch out wii where there was so much content and they completely revitalised the series in 3d, added title defense and an endless mode to push it above all the other punch out games and really struck with all the character personality, now you have games like nintendo switch sports which has less sports than resort, and an accessory with it that only works for 1 boring game mode, oh yeah and fangames are free, cater towards what the community wants, such as super smash flash and you are fuckin lying if you want to buy nintendo shit sports or mario strikers battle league over playing a game with actual passion put into it. You really radiate the nintendo fanboy aura, so how about you keep flushing your cash down the drain and then you'll realise that other companies can make better games
@@davemarquez770 AM2R, pokemon Uranium, Super Mario Power Star Frenzy, Super Mario 63, Newer Super Mario Bros Wii, sure we the fans dont even hold a candle to the gods that are Nintendo huh
People always say the Nintendo fanboys are the sole reason for Nintendo releasing mediocre games now but I think the casual audience is just as bad as the fanboys since they’ll buy anything because of brand recognition and nothing else Also recently I saw a comment on a Battle League video that said and I quote “Let’s start the “It’s not Mario Strikers Charged” meme like “it’s not Melee””
I hope this will never happen, Nintendo still has a soul developing Single player games. But yeah, they are screwing up Multiplayer centric games already
Look at Mario Party Superstars, from what I’ve experienced, this “Free Update” baloney don’t seem to have happened with it, and even if so, it’s not as significant as Super Rush or Tennis Aces. And it’s a modern Mario Game.
This is why I was PRAYING they would leave Strikers in its grave. I knew they would Tennis Novices/Super Rushed the game. Dreaded it in the Nintendo Direct when they showed it off.
Would’ve been better and more savage if you said Luigi’s Mansion compared to Battle League was like going from Pixar to Illumination. Props to anyone who gets the idea.
Battlefront 1 has 16 maps, 20 characters, Galactic Conquest. Only released in 2004! Battlefront 2 has 24+ characters to play as, 18 land maps, 6 space maps, 4 Xbox DLC Maps which are free and be downloaded as a PC mod and only was made in 2005! Mortal Kombat Armageddon has 50+ characters to play from, and a story mode. Only was released in 2006! Mario Strikers Battle League has 10 characters, no story mode, one stadium with no unique features. Released in 2022. Nintendo. What the flump are you doing?!
Live services weren't really a thing till about 10 years ago at least. Before that most games were actually finished. But now it seems that every AAA game suffers from the 'fix it later' approach (aside from a couple exceptions) At least indie games exist I suppose.
The only reason I started playing Nintendo games and consoles because of Kirby. If it wasn't for that little guy I would have never been interested in Nintendo or it's consoles.
Yeah there has been a real downgrade in quality in Nintendo games during these recent years. Pretty much everyone knows "free updates" means "the game is unfinished but we'll take your money anyway. Also you will get a decent game in a year or two if you're lucky and we feel like it." Nintendo is becoming crappy, their games were way better before. One of my examples is Mario and Sonic at the Olympics 2012 (idk if it's the correct name, I'm french). This game has many game modes. From traditional sports games to mini games for a party type mode. It may not be perfect, but it's very replayable and it's actually fun. There are some good games on the switch but it doesn't make up for the quality of the most recent games.
I've pretty much switched over to exclusively indie titles now because the AAA industry is failing to give us experiences worth remembering (with some exceptions) Great video btw. I discovered you when I saw your unfinished Nintendo games video and you have definitely improved man. As I say. At least we got indie games.
Kirby and the forgotten land is the only reason I still have a switch now. If it wasn't for that game, I would have sold my switch and saved up for an Xbox or PS5.
@@wolfetteplays8894 I haven't played either. But I guess I should have added indie games, because I do love deltarune , hollow knight and undertale and then there's botw, but most of (except a few) nintendo's AAA games are unfinished, $60 messes. Nintendo used to be a very good company, but nowadays it's games like mario strikers battle league with it's "free updates"that has disappointed me time and time again with nintendo's "finish it later" approach. Then there's NSO, which is a poor version of GameFly. And while I do love the above mentioned games, I can easily get them on PC through steam and an emulator respectively. But the fact that I love kirby and that there's a new game on the switch I had to take it.
Apart from graphics and online, I can't think of a single thing Battle League did better than Charged, like everything present in Battle League was done much better in Charged
Only animation polish Charged had more personality The game was faster, more hecktic More character diversity Character power ups. Sense of progression More items Stage variation (quickly recall the one with no electric fence that could become a 4v1 or the dk stage that left marks on the wood) Fun unlockables (freaking Petey Piranha!) Even the mechanic of charging the ball and hitting a super strong hit with a weak character at the end felt a lot more satisfying than an electric “perfect shot” of a strong character in BL.
Nintendo has one of the dumbest, most gullible, most blindly loyal fanbases I've ever seen, and I say that as someone that only owns a Nintendo Switch.
I felt as if I broke away from being such a blind fanboy ever since I played Paper Mario Sticker Star. It was literally the most biggest disappointment I had ever experienced from a Nintendo game. I'm not even joking, that might have been the moment I opened my eyes.
As a switch owner and someone who grew up with Nintendo I agree but I also think the games are reflective of the switch console itself. The biggest issue with the switch is the fragile, drifty joycons that Nintendo refuses to fix. Not to mention the low battery and lackluster online services.
The gamecube flopped massively and they were releasing pure shit and buggy games nobody asked for, while the Switch has the most consistent quality games since the SNES and is a massive success. Seems like the "success = laziness" and "failure = trying harder" is a big conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up. Come up with better arguments.
Honestly I’m so Upset Boom Boom is the goalie….I love when characters that are from Mario side series appear in Mario games such as the Ukikis appearing in the series starting in Mario 64 or Funky in Mario Kart Wii. Or just characters/enemies that don’t appear often. That’s why I’m upset the Kremlings where replaced…with the generic Boom Boom no less……
While Switch Sports is absolutely a nothing burger, Mario Strikers Battle League is a waste potential and it has no business being so expensive, but so barebones. All I hope is that Nintendo listens the criticisms with these game and stop rushing game out the door. Great vid BTW👌.
This was really well put together your work is really fun and entertaining. I feel the same way and whenever I checked my total hours played for this game it makes me feel the hit from this game. Charged was so much fun and from what I remember had a better ranking system in my opinion. Thanks for making this video. All the best.
Here's my take on these "Free Updates" for incomplete games; if it's not done in *less then a month, than delay the game!!!* Don't waste peoples time and money on a $60 - $100 game (depending on where you live) that won't get finished for another few months or year. Especially if its a AAA game from a multi-BILLION gaming company.
Battle League just felt like it lacked substance. The thing that I loved the most were the characters and the personalities they had. Peach used to have moxy, Daisy had spunk, Waluigi was raunchy, and Wario was a selfish dickhead. Think about stuff like the crotch chop, Wario's accordion, and Daisy being ready to straight up body her teammates because they were underperforming. Now it's generic "Oh no! Well, I'll get them next time!" It just doesn't have that same spunk or grit that it once had. It was my childhood game and I hate to see it disappoint like this.
Battle league feels like playing same mario party minigame over and over again. Fun minigame but it will get boring and repetetive if you keep playing the same one.
And I thought Nintendo switch sports was really bad. Nevermind, they're BOTH stupid! A thing that was executed like Nintendo but correctly is Cuphead. It was so long before we got the dlc, but since the game was so good, people were fine with it since they knew it was going to be quality so it was highly anticipated and people loved it, instead of having low quality stuff come more of it half a year later. Quality over quantity, Nintendo. Or, in this case, both of those... In this case, Cuphead was ACTUALLY FINISHED, so updated were very HYPE compared to what Nintendo is doing.
Yeah, I miss when Nintendo used to do that. The only games they did that with this generation were Breath of the Wild, Smash Ultimate, and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Everything else (as far as I know) uses the "finish it later" model. :(
Honestly, it pisses me off whenever Nintendo reveal a new sports game and people actually get excited for it. When are we going to wise up and take the hint that these games are just minimal effort cash grabs?
Now that the game is finished, I like it even LESS than I did back at launch. Atleast I had hope about the updates making the game good, but now that it's finally finished...WOW.... just WOW.
for the first like, 25 minutes of the video, i'd say this was your best work. seeing you let other youtubers take the stage and douse the "fury" with a grounding of the points while still not sugarcoating the way the game was being handled in any way, it felt like a genuinely great evolution of your content and the strongest defense of your stance regarding the Nintendo update model so far, especially with the few years of the model being around being used as examples. I fully agree with the fact that Nintendo's content model is abysmal. you also tackled nearly every question that i went into this video asking or thinking of, like "is this video *really* necessary? the reaction to Battle League was already AWFUL" and "how would you even make a video on Battle League at this point? haven't you already made your points enough times?" You definitely did a good job at that. but the reason why i'm making this comment was because this might be the skit which left me with the absolute sourest taste in my mouth. i was never a fan of the... "strawman sarcasm" that fueled your skits, but that was simply my opinion. it was just your brand of content, and that's fine. but... were the blatant ad hominem attacks *really* necessary? is putting the fault of everything that has befallen nintendo on a dozen loud shills that you seem to intent on feeding and interacting with *really* necessary? imagine if someone that is genuinely trying to give this content a try to see a counterargument to their beliefs, and then right as they feel like you might have just made good points to them, and then they listen to 29:03. if even someone like me who fully agrees with your stances is having a hard time listening to that, then... idk maybe i'm just in the wrong place.
The review is serious. The skits are designed to be entertaining and exaggerated. My goal was to illustrate my frustration with the shills in an entertaining way.
@@Demeech first off, thank you for reading and responding. in the end of the day i feel like even with it being non-serious, this skit was the first one that really didn't sit right with me. maybe i *am* being a bit too sensitive, but i do feel like keeping your responses to the shills serious while keeping the skits for bashing the company and the game is something that could be considered. it is your content, and the fact you're listening to feedback and growing your content is very respectable. hope to keep seeing that in the future.
@@SereKabii I'll always take feedback into consideration. If it fully dismissed criticism, I'd go against everything my channel is about. I will admit shills have frustrated me, and the skit was made to be funny and also illustrate my frustrations. But if it came across as petty, I understand that.
@@SereKabii Thinking about what you are saying here I haven't put much thought into this particular perspective before, However, I can say that it will be very hard to make a review of a game without reflecting good or bad on the creators of the game. Since it being a serious and critical review it's not going to hesitate to be real. As far as the bashing I guess it technically could be avoided, however to do that he'd have to get rid of emotion entirely when he is recording the videos, and just from personal experience fully blocking out your emotions isn't possible because I've tried. It never holds up super well. You can sustain it for awhile, but it always explodes in your face at some point. A whole lot of it has to do with the track record and I've been unfortunate enough to be a witness to how track record can affect things where I work. Track record matters a lot and that can be the difference between someone dismissing something to someone firing you over the same act. Thing is... Nintendo's track record is not good, so there's more built up annoyance and frustration behind it. I think the biggest thing to learn is that people are going to share their opinions whether you want it or not. Its an inescapable part of life as a human (which to be fair there's a lot worse creatures you can be, so we actually have things pretty good compared to other creatures) that I fully get you on. I constantly have trouble with that on a day to day basis. You just have to smart enough to see it as someone else's and to have your own opinion on matters (not letting other people force you in a band wagon) As far as what I think I'm sorry to say that I actually do agree with this video. The reason I agree with it is that really recently I've experienced buying a game from Nintendo and it was so bad quality I didn't play it. Pokemon Sword and Shield was the one that was like that for me, Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl the same thing. What he is describing in his video isn't just a what if scenario, it has actually happened to consumers who bought games that Nintendo has made in recent history. So, while he did bash Nintendo a lot, it was based on true experiences and disappointment that many consumers have felt. On the skits, yeah that could have been left out. I actually skipped it because I thought it didnt fit in.
@@henveeee No, I'm just saying that I don't like those toppings usually on my burger, especially pickles. Your example isn't really the best to be honest.
The problem with modern Nintendo imo is that they don’t put in enough effort in the game. For example, Mario Party Superstars is only good because it was what the Top 100 should’ve been. They didn’t have to make any new content. I like the game but the cracks were showing when their was only 10 characters and 5 boards. With the sports games like Battle League, they made Next Level Games rush it out the door/give them a limited budget to not have MORE than 10 characters, a small amount of stages with the only difference being the aesthetic (Mario Tennis Ultra Smash BS) and like no extra game modes. Only to add them in months down the line to reignite interest. Compared to the N64 and Gamecube era where Nintendo didn’t have as much money, they could still make amazing games that had a lot of content at launch. I just really hope this doesn’t effect their big games. They know that people will buy their games no matter the content and even potentially get more sales when the game gets the free updates. It’s just really sad.
Everyone who buys Nintendo games deserves to get screwed over. Boycott until they improve or don't complain when you shell out more money for the same garbage experiences.
I'm a pretty smart dude and I only buy Nintendo games that I know that are worth it, such as Kirby and the forgotten land, breath of the wild, hollow Knight, Sonic origins and a few others. I know when a game is really good and when it's half baked garbage
Yup you nailed everything perfectly. Yet we have select few people that still purchase the game because "gameplay" when Nintendo is giving them less content for the same amount of money and unfinished at that lol. The game is not worth $60. Compare the game to the superior Strikers Charged and you'll see quite the difference. Then they talk about the "dlc later" thing. Yeah DLC that should've already been there in the base game. To those that voted with their wallets and didn't support this practice, respect. I'm glad there are actually are people that didn't just buy the game blindly. Surprised me.
The game sold faster in the UK, USA, and Japan than Charged and is still in the top 5 on the Switch eshop. It's already gonna be the best selling in the series whether you like it or not. People like fun games, what's so bad about that?? Stop gatekeeping buying games just because YOU don't like it. I like it so I bought it. Twice. One physical and one digital.
@@davemarquez770 it's only the best selling of the three because it's on the switch, and that's it. I'm convinced that the gameplay is pretty good, but that's really all the game has, and people like demeech and a lot of people in the comment section do not think of just the big picture like you do, but rather the smaller details that were present in the first two games and that this game just doesn't have, or if it has, they're very limited. additionally, charged came out very early into the wii's lifespan, and most people just focused on mario kart wii, TLOZ: twilight princess and super mario galaxy. this game has just come out, and the switch is in the middle of its lifespan. 5 years? yeah, that's more than enough to the point where any first-party games can rack up over 2 million sales, even a relative failure like arms, which came out at launch, which is why people are complaining even more. we currently live in a world where free updates and DLC are two common things seen in the gaming world, but there's a huge difference between updating a game and content that should at best be only really downloadable and optional, stuff that should only affect the game on a very minor scale (that's how DLC should have always worked, so, basically, expansion packs), and a game that just adds content for free and those aforementioned expansion packs just aren't expansion packs, as an excuse to complete the game. to make it easier to understand, take the example of super smash bros. 4. sakurai had only 2 years of development and he made a complete game, with every game mode present, a pretty big roster, 8-player smash, trophies, a stage builder, a mii creator, etc. etc. the DLC only consisted of some characters, stages and music that really not even the majority of users needed (at least when playing casually, in competitiveness, it was just about bayonetta, but even then..), while the free updates fixed bugs and gave nerfs/buffs to characters, and in the worst case scenario, it added support for some more stages in 8-player smash. that's about it. that's an example of how to do DLC and free updates correctly, and the game came out in late 2014. now look at super smash bros. ultimate. 3 years of development after planning was finished, and even more time was saved since SSBU uses the same engine (and most of the features) as SSB4. and...at launch, the game had no stage builder and no mob smash either, which, for a game that is all about the roster, was a very strange decision. a lot of features that you see in ultimate right now have been added for free after launch, and to top it off, it has some of the most expensive DLC of any switch game currently available, with the additional characters costing almost as much as the game itself, and with such context, DLC feels much more necessary than in SSB4. additionally, all-star mode is just mob smash again instead of being its own thing like in the previous games. at this point, people only play ultimate just for the online mode that is somewhat refined from other multiplayer games on the switch, but there are a lot of people who play SSB4 online as well. so, to conclude the entire text, everyone that you see complaining about this game (even myself) focus on the smaller details that should have been added from the start because they are what make the game complete, or at least feel complete. as much as I want to buy this game, without those "smaller details", it's otherwise a generic football game with mario characters, which is what maybe casuals and a lot of switch defenders want, but actual fans don't. also the game costs $60, when it should have cost at most $40, which is another reason why people are complaining.
@@davemarquez770 its objectively inferior to it's predecessors. It fails to elaborate on anything established, and it fails to compensate in any meaningful way
@@davemarquez770 It's on the switch so it's naturally going to sell more than the one on the GameCube and Wii. For a switch game, it's underperforming anyways even compared to the other spinoffs like Aces and Golf. Even the sales in the UK have become stagnant as it only recently dropped to number 5 and quickly at that. U.S. sales are not doing well either. Japan also isn't so interested in the game either. Majority of people who bought the game have a negative opinion about it so it just goes to show you. It's not just about rather or not I like the game. It's about not supporting these practices of "finish it later" in order for us to get another product without that BS. If you want less content for the same price then good for you! Keep wasting your money on video games you already have a second time lol.
@@classicgameover You nailed everything right on the head so I didn't even really need to reply to him. You put the dude in hush mode. Seriously can't understand why people defend the "finish it later drive" like it's so dumb. Just compare the game to Charged to get an understanding but no though this guy pays over $120 for a bare bones content game lol.
I think the real reason this game failed is because Daisy isn’t in the roster even though she is a big part of Mario Strikers. This is like that photo scene in Encanto where the cast is the family and Daisy is the protagonist. Now that I think about it… The protagonist does kind of remind me of Daisy
Demeech, this is your magnum opus, I had a blast with this vid, especially the ending with Petey playing Charged. Also as a Canadian, I must apologize for that jerk that criticized you, up here we are known for being polite, don't know what his beef was. I for one am not willing to spend $100 on this sad excuse for a game. Frick Bowser and Furukawa, I stand by the believe they are a disgrace to the Reggie and Iwata before them.
Who do people give Reggie credit for everything that happened in Nintendo? Did people forget that this guy almost ruined any chance of xenoblade becoming a important franchise for Nintendo?
@@Demeech Also Demeech. I think you should move to Canada. Due to the USA trying to become how Germany was in late 1930's and Early 1940's ever since the tragedy of Roe vs Wade.
*video not vid. I don't understand the concept of wanting to shorten a word that is already short enough as it is. I find it ridiculous. But I do understand wanting to shorten long words.🤦♂
It's a damn shame Nintendo has been going towards this route with their games recently. I can forgive the first few titles within Nintendo Switch's lifespan since they're making up for it, but now that they're making a habit out of it, that's unacceptable. From what I can remember, it happened with Arms, Mario Tennis Aces, Animal Crossing, Mario Golf, Nintendo Sports, and now this? Please comment on the games I missed but it's just getting ridiculous at this point and what's worse is people defending this kind of behavior.
I agree with everything you said 100%. When me and my sister were talking to each other about how good Kirby and the forgotten land was, she told me that HAL made Kirby and the forgotten land (as well as the entire franchise), not Nintendo. And while it's true that HAL does work with Nintendo, HAL has control of Kirby not Nintendo.
ARMS was not unfinished. Its a fighting game and new IP. people just didnt like it. As for animal crossing, people loved that so much and it was 80% finished.
@@guyfierimtwi People did enjoy the game, but long time fans have stated the game is disappointing compared to the release on the 3DS. Arms released with a lack of content and despite it being a fighting game, doesn't excuse it since plenty of fighting games out there had more content on release than Arms and you can say it's because it's a new IP, doesn't excuse that problem. SFV and Bleeding Edge was criticized for that, so to excuse Arms because it's a new IP is ridiculous.
@@Renegado140 Here's the thing about animal crossing. When you put it in the "finish it later" group, everyone hates it. When you treat it standalone, it's a good game. And yet animal crossing gets treated like crap and super mario party with NO dlc gets like medicore scores and people "move on". Could you imagine if it got dlc for smp? We would be categorizing is it as a finish it later game.
@@guyfierimtwi But thats the thing, Animal Crossing is the kind of game that can last for a long time for anyone depending if you're patient. When i first played Animal Crossing it was on the 3DS and it had enormous amount of content. When Animal Crossing New Horizons came out, a lot of people enjoyed it but ended up as a disappointment since it has less features than previous titles, that's why people put in that group, is because while they introduced some new features, they also removed a lot at the same time. That to me doesn't merit something that should be rewarded. Despite all of this, yes Animal Crossing for the Switch is a great game, but it's being compared to their previous entry that is a better game imo, and I'm not alone when I make that comment. I don't agree being toxic when criticizing a game because these are videogames at the end of the day, but if any company is screwing up or a game is a disappointment, then it deserves to be criticized so the developers can take the feedback and do better next time. Unfortunately for Nintendo, they have been doing this a lot recently and the criticism is deserved.
Sometimes, I gotta wonder why I'm still a Nintendo fan in this day and age. It's been my main (and only) console library since I started gaming and that'll likely never change due to my attachment with it. Which makes me really sad whenever I see a game like Battle League come around. Another example of a Nintendo game shipping off lackluster and fixing the problem later. When a games only shining quality is high quality animation, it's not going to bode well. Maybe in 6 month Battle League will feel like $60, but that doesn't matter because what we had at the beginning didn't feel like what we paid for. Do not regret skipping this one.
I agree but there's no way Nintendo would do that. The only free to play game I can think of is Pokemon unite and even that has a ton of microtransactions
I have one thing to say about the new strikers game. The game looks and feels fantastic! But it severely lacks in content. Such as characters and stadium hazards. If that was addressed from the launch then we wouldn’t have this review. Which does point out a lot of issues In the game.
this game is like 1 step forward (gear, modern graphics), 2 steps back (stadiums, lack of gamemodes and roster - seriously, they removed koopas, hammer bros, and kritter etc??)
I'm pretty terrified for the prospect of Mario kart 9 existing. I've wanted it for such a long time but now?? I have no doubt it will be a de-evolution of the series in many ways
Great video. I wanted Mario strikers battle league to be good but it just isn't. As a Daisy fan a wasn't as disappointed as others when it was revealed that she wouldn't be in the game but I was more disappointed in the fact that there were 10 characters. Mario has a lot of characters but they chose the most basic ones and even leave out staples like daisy. I would rather have a roster full clones like baby Mario or pink gold peach with or without daisy instead of 10 characters we've seen 100+ times. I thought the game was very lacking in content but I love the animations and the soundtrack (Albeit it's generic af) Free update model isn't going to work for this game.
Being honest I just blame Nintendo for letting a game this unfinished be released I could of waited a little longer if it meant I for more content,characters and even more
It is sad to see, but unfortunately Nintendo has finally joined in on the greed that plagues modern gaming. Who knows when they'll decide to bring MTX over to games outside of mobile. To think they wouldn't do so ever is just being in denial at this point. Money does indeed talk, and no company is forever safe from caving into greed.
@@volvoman5262 As long as the MTX aren't locking any elements required for game completion behind a paywall, then I suppose they can be implemented in non-greedy ways.
I stand by my stance that Battle League is the most pathetic game Nintendo has ever put out. That doesn't mean it's the worst. But a game with ten characters and one stadium? That's the definition of pathetic.
And yet, Nintendo has the audacity of charging full price for it.
This is depressing.
@@kazoorion7993 soon they'll release a game with only 5 characters and half a stage and pay 60-70 dollars for it
And people will still buy it
Here before the triggered and upset Nintendrones show up lol
@@ghostxplatinum same lol
One stadium? There is five wdym? Plus with all the combos that's around 20 something new stages when mixed up. Ten characters are fine as long as the game is updated and keeps up the hype.
"A rushed game is still $60, a delayed game doesn't make us any money this quarter." --Modern Day Nintendo
This is the sad truth.
yup its a shame thats what they are now especially towards mario sports games.
Nintendo sticking to the $60 price tag for all of their games and justifying it with padding is another issue.
Also with Daisy Fans as a Barbabeau Fan.
@@MrMild-sv7is Thank you! 💯 I shouldn't have to download the rest of the game
99% of the development went into dancing DK
Tbh, I think everyone forgot about battle league like a week after it released because there was nothing to build on the basics. That’s all there was, basics and nothing else.
So the same like Charged and Super? If you were on NeoGaf back in the day, the thread for those 2 games died in less than a week. These sports games are just not popular even when they're "good". They're boring 1 hour time wasters and that's it.
@@davemarquez770 you have no idea how much time I played Mario sports mix and charged
I mean, I just got the game yesterday, bud. Is it better than Strikers Charged? Lol, no. Is the game itself half decent? In my eyes, yes.
@@JJsNeighborhood Could have and Should have been better, that's what the majority are saying.
@@Aaaa-g6u8e Yeah, I 100% agree
The way Battle League turned out just motivated me to go back to Strikers Charged.
that game is an ez 10/10. this one is like a 7.
Yeah, when I first saw the game, it looked so slow, and not crazy fast, but the stages fucking killed it for me, no environmental stage hazards, nope, that's not Mario game, that's a boring soccer game. And the fact outfits effect stats, suck so much, because I would've love to customize my character without effecting my gameplay of them, so that sucked even more, but I know why they did it, they legit had no variety with characters so they made outfits that changed their stats, like come on. And the fact caption abilities got removed sucked even more, like I would love the counter play between this captions ability vs this other captions ability, 2 giants Mario and Luigi beating the shit out of each other as all hell breaks lose, wario farting and Bowser just exploding all the farts because of his fire breath, Daisy's crystal attack vs donkey Kong slam, it's insane how those abilities worked, and how fun and crazy they were, I was ad they removed mega strikes, but sidekicks getting removed blows, and along with that superstrikes were also removed unless you get this orb thing now, this game felt empty to me, so I just skipped it and I'm glad I did, this would've been a disappointment of a game for me, and I would've been pissed if I bought this game and getting jackshit for my money
@@WatchDoggyDog even lower
This game has so much potential, the core gameplay is fun, the character animations are very good, I like the gear system, and the graphics and music is just amazing. But the problem is the lack of content, we need more characters and more stages with hazards, alongside more modes (like a big field mode)
These gaming companies want to give us less content To make DLC DLC is what killed gaming
Exactly, it just needs more characters and fields like the old games.
These are good ideas. Especially the big field mode. Nice thinking
@@droid4d279 Couldnt agree more
Still better than Sonic Free Riders.
The worst part is that people will watch this, buy it anyway and defend on Twitter saying "it was an ok game, you're just a hater".
Your wrong
Yep
I just both a ok and disappointed game that all
Then again. It's Twitter.
True
This game makes me sad more than angry,when you master the game it becomes very boring after a while and you can tell that a lot of the budget went to the character's animation and not the game it self
99% of the development went into dancing DK
I wouldn't be surprise if this was the case
That’s not the issue. The issue is that they didn’t get enough time to make the game.
@@tomandthecats2.018 Lol
It sucks that the one major flaw of battle league is that there's barely anything to the game, cause the presentation and *donkey kong's dance* show that this wasn't meant to be a cash grab, but was forced into a cash grab.
This review was well done man! This really went in-depth in the games issues. Over half an hour long review jezz!
NO WAY! First RidersDX, and then you?? I'm honored. Thank you for the kind words! I love your videos.
Yoooo
The fact that people can still defend shameless souless cash grabs like Battle Leauge and Switch Sports shows that Nintendo has the one of the most loyal and toxic fanbase in gaming.
It's the same toxic positivity you see with a lot of Bethesda fans
We made the dogshit gamecube flop massively, so we speak with our wallets when we have too!
It’s cause strikers has a bright side to it, which is the fact it’s hella fun to play. I will not lie and say that content is def lacking, but pathetic, hell no.
Yeah
@@MarioDiamond63 plus Nintendo is literally adding dlc that has 10 more characters and some other things so what's the point in bitching about there not being enough content
Ever heard of mario hoops 3 on 3?
It's a mario basketball game for the ds.
21 characters when all are unlocked.
16 stages (if I remember correctly), some of them with interesting twists.
Different ways to play the game.
Multiple multi-player modes, some of which can be played with only one game card.
And I got it for like 20€.
Notice something?
Not even a comparison since it was on handheld and usually those games had lower graphics, usually less asking prices since on handhelds, and came out a while ago so of course it costs less. Not defending the lack of content in battle league but still, way more different things in my opinion.
@@MarioDiamond63 though even when disregarding the price, the giant difference in how much content the games each have speaks volumes.
@@angrypicture6155 yea def not denying that. Just saying for the price part
Don't forget about Mario And Sonic At The Olympic Winter Games DS which had 20 characters, over 20 sports, 3 party games, and a story mode. It's an underrated gem thst I recommend you get if you have a ds, 3ds, or a ds/3ds emulator.
@@MarioDiamond63 well now that Nintendo combined their handheld line with their console line, the price is perfectly reasonable to compare imo
Couldn’t agree more. You definitely made a really great point here. It’s the god damn lacklustre roster and lack of content. Yeah where is Daisy?! Nintendo is getting worse like they just want the game immediately to launch without any effect of finishing some details to make it more fun. What a let down after 15 years of absence!
One word “Money!”
@@NickMario1 Oh yes! That’s a definite clue for sure! No wonder Nintendo is going hungry for our Money 💰
To think if the game even just got ONE more year of development, we probably would have more characters and more modes and content in general. It would of been SO much better!
@@T-Dawg75 oh yeah couldn’t it be on hold for another year
Nintendo is becoming what Disney has become. A once loved company known for pumping out consistently great works of art has become a company that while it can still make great stuff, it makes some bad stuff and is a greedy shell of their former golden days.
Oof I wouldn't go that far. At least Nintendo is starting to allow LGBT rep and such in their game like no gendered characters or sometimes LGBT characters where Disney doesn't allow any LGBT rep. If you do some research on The Owl House they basically shortened it down to 2 full seasons and a season 3 that's only 3 episodes even tho it should be a full one.
@@darklinggaymer3032 LGBT representation is good but just because it gets represented doesn't make a company good. Nintendo has really shit the bed consistently, doesn't matter how much representation there is we are here for the games and if they suck now, then that's it. The games suck.
I already said this before but I think I'll say it again.
I understand how you feel, this was my first Mario Strikers game that I bought with my own money and admittedly it didn't feel worth it to me also.
However, I think Nintendo I knew exactly what they were doing with this game. I think they told next level to set aside content for post-launch updates. They wanted to turn Mario Strikers into rocket League. And it made the game feel unfinished as a result considering that the game really doesn't feel like it was designed with this business model in mind. It feels like this game was designed exclusively with quick matches and the Striker's Club in mind and they didn't take the time to flesh it out. Either because this game was always designed this way or was truly unfinished. Ants to developers of the of the games, specifically Camelot, probably didn't know how to make the free updates work well while making Solely multiplayer focused Mario Sports games that's felt complete. There was World Tour on the 3ds, but that was still mainly single player focused and had paid DLC. And yes, they probably were rushed with the Mario sports games on switch.
However, I do believe that the worst of this business model is coming to a close. With the growing negative feedback and lack of Interest towards these games and the sales the most of the games that used the business model being less than favorable, I feel like Nintendo is going to look at these games compared to the better selling and better receipts games that use this business model a lot better and they are going to be more careful with, or at least get a better idea of which types of games work and don't work with this business model. Or at least, I hope they learn. It is still good to stay cautious. Or maybe game studios like Camelot will do a better job at making Mario sports games better great for both single player and multiplayer audiences and figure out how to work in the business model better is Nintendo for system to do it again. Or not, Mario sports games fluctuate in quality all the time.
I don't think a couple of mediocre Nintendo sports games with free updates it's going to cause Nintendo as much as an identity crisis as what happened with the Nintendo Wii and DS era and new Super Mario Bros. Especially with the negative feedback by critics and the fact that there are great and complete games on the switch that use this business model that Nintendo could learn from. There is Animal Crossing New Horizons, but that game was delayed and the free update kind of made sense considering that Animal Crossing is a real life simulation game. I doubt it will affect series like Mario Kart or something.
I understand why Nintendo fans feel let down by these recent decisions, however the train of mediocre sports game will probably stop soon. And Nintendo might change up their strategies with these types of games in the future, or at least we won't get another Wii U situation.
And yes I know that Nintendo isn't the one developing most of these games and there isn't just one team doing it but Nintendo is deciding that these games should be given free updates and they decide the release date.
@@randomguyontheinternet7940 Well yeah but every big company is bad. To me the ones who made Cyberpunk and SEGA who rush Sonic games and others that allow seizure glitches in their games or unplayable like Cyberpunk then that's when I call it rushed and if Nintendo went down to that level then yea I'd start criticising. But Nintendo games don't suck cuz they have other games. Imo Sport games are just the little games that are there for no reason apart from if you wanna see what Mario characters do outside the main games. Like if I was a kid and owned Switch Sports and saw this video I wouldn't of thought much because I'm having fun. I still kinda have that mindset but that's changed thx to companies like SEGA and the one who made Cyberpunk because SEGA are incompetent and Cyberpunk devs...well they had the time and somehow released it in an unplayable state to the point modders had to go into their company and fix it.
I already hate Disney for what they've been doing in recent years and I really don't want to start hating Nintendo for what they've been doing recently.
Nintendo is pretty much practicing unethical marketing strategies at this point, releasing a long overdue sequel with little to no content for long time fans, at full price?! They are taking advantage of us, by hyping what was once a good series. Demeech, thanks for your input. Also Daisy kicking shuntaro in the cojones was 100X more content than Strikers Battle League itself.
"Full price". $60 today is nothing compared to what $60 back then was. Games from back then would cost around $90 in today's money. If companies tried to sell their games for $90, even with WAY more content in them, gamers would bitch about "corporate greed". You can't have it both ways. You want to pay $60 for a game? Expect it to have less content. You want a full fledged game that has all the content of days of old? You better be willing to pay $90 for it.
@@Prodigial Awesome! that's fine by me. You can live by that principle, I won't. Though I'm appreciative of recession, that doesn't change the fact they're charging $60. Compare Strikers Battle League to these $60 titles: Mario Maker, Mario Kart, and Smash Ultimate. Notice how these games almost have an endless amount of content, or features? (e.g., map editor, large variety of customization, over 40 characters, multiple game modes, varied map gimmicks, large file sizes, etc.) Meanwhile, Strikers Battle League doesn't even have a single feature of those mentioned above. Not to mention Strikers Charged, imagine having a predecessor having loads of content and features which allow for it to justifying $60 bucks, while the successor is far from justified. If anything, Strikers Battle League is a title that's worth roughly $25. This should apply to every Mario sports spin-off which relies on the, "finish it later" strategy and free DLC that only adds characters. As a matter of fact, file sizes could be a factor to determine the price of a game, depending on the assets which are relevant to gameplay, and cosmetic files are disregarded from this decision. With a cap of the standard $60. The Nintendo I once knew is gone, without a trace.
@@marcost.2413 Battle League when compared to Strikers Charged, costs approximately between $35-40, so your assessment isn't far off.
I don't care about half the things y'all say you want, and I secretly don't think you guys truly care about it either. A full fledged story mode? For a Mario sports game? Arenas with annoying hazards/gimmicks that are going to be turned off/disabled once you go online unless you are playing incredibly casually? The actual gameplay here is SUPER solid; I've had a blast playing online. I've gotten roughly $25 hours in which means that, for every hour of entertainment, I've spent a measly $2.50. That's a good deal imo.
Yes, the niche sports game lacks the content of franchises that are literally mainline titles with mass appeal. Are you shocked? The Mario sports games do not have the appeal that Mario Kart or Smash have. You are heavily encouraged to purchase those games over this one if you have not yet, and I'm sure those games had budgets that tower over Battle Leagues because Nintendo knew they would sell millions upon millions.
The truth is that, even if Strikers was completely LOADED with more content than you could imagine (Smash Ultimate levels of content), the game would not sell that much more than it's going to sell anyway. Be a smart consumer and examine products that you want to buy. I waited for reviews of the game and for gameplay to come out before I made my purchase of Battle League. I saw the content available, saw the gameplay, saw the price tag, and thought "I think this is worth $60 because I will get a lot of entertainment out of this." If that's NOT you, then don't buy the game. But I don't understand the complaining coming out of people for games that are dirt cheap compared to what games used to cost.
@@Prodigial Corporations will never love you. Stop defending them
@@Prodigial that’s a laughably bad argument. There has been so many amazing games that have came out this decade and nearly all of them are 60$. I’ve even seen some great games that are in the 40$ range.
It's all Ishihara's doing 110%. All of this new "shit it out and clean up later" business started when Iwata kicked the bucket and Ishihara took over.
And Doug Bowser
It’s definitely obvious it’s those new guys even reggie admitted its not the same Nintendo
Here’s the thing with switch sports right. It’s bad,I’m not denying that,but it’s $40-$50,wasn’t something that fans were necessarily dying for,tries to do something new,and at least has a decent amount of modes. This on the other hand is $60,fans have been asking for it for years,it is completely lack luster,barely has any modes,and is a huge low for next level games. Both are bad,but this one makes me more mad
Agreed 100%
I actually kinda liked switch sports, then again I got it 1 week ago and only play it beacuse the cosmetics are pretty lol
I've been playing the original Mario strikers with my bro recently agter playing battle league, that game still holds up in fun 15+ years later
10 characters, 1 stage, no extra game modes, and it's FULL PRICE. They're selling an arcade game for FULL PRICE. It costs as much as BREATH OF THE WILD.
Glad to see that i'm not the only one who hates the bland stages from this game. While the game as a whole feels like a step back in terms of gameplay and features, coming closer to being like the first game rather than an actual sequel to Charged, the stages are whole other step back considering how much personality the stages in the first games had.
You CAN'T even see them! It's pathetic!
Tbh, i almost glad that you can't see them, because at this point i'm so sick of seeing the same NSMBWii-esque asthetic in every other Mario spin-off game.
(Aside from a few exceptions like MK8, LM2+3, M&L:DT, the Mario & Rabbids games, modern Paper Mario to some extent and i guess also modern Camelot Mario Sports, although those are bland in their own way.)
It’s definitely pathetic that the first game on GCN has more replay ability and more aesthetically better then the new game
@Demeech ironically the game's DEMO has MORE content than the base game
Honestly the only thing I don’t like is that they didn’t even add toadette.
I'm not going to lie, Battle League looks very fun gameplay-wise, and I love the character designs and animations for the game, but there's no sugarcoating that it should have been set to release during a far later stage of development. It's too incomplete to be released now.
Something you should’ve brought more light to was the fact the online mode has off seasons. As in there are long periods of time where you literally can’t play it for no reason.
Even Mario Tennis Aces didn’t have off seasons.
the 'main' online mode you mean, an important distinction since quickplay online is dope 24/7
@@WatchDoggyDog Because I love when they have off seasons for no reason. And the main selling point of the game isn't even consistent.
For the fanboys in the back that refuse to listen. The reason people are ok with Free/Paid DLC for games we love and not with this type of games, is because they are made to extend the life of it and add extra content to an already great base experience, not to be an extended deadline so the devs finish the game later.
Comparing Strikers, Switch Sports or Mario Golf 'Free DLC' to Fortnite, Borderlands or Smash's DLC is insulting. Because they aren't adding stuff that should've been in the base game for starters, they are adding to an already finished game and expanding on it. They aren't going "Well we managed to put a small roster before the deadline, we'll add Daisy in Fall to make people come back if this underperforms", they are offering you a second round of food apart from the amazing course you already had and enjoyed, not giving you half your order and seeing if you liked it so they give you the rest of it despite you already have paid for it.
For example, if Mario Odyssey was released nowadays, they would just release it with 5-6 Kingdom to boot, half the posessions and one third of the costumes, and offer as 'Free DLC' 5 costumes and the Cloud Kingdom for the next season, to see if it performs well, and if does, slowly roll the rest until we have the game we have, without Luigi's Balloons.
@@ThePika78 does that mean the next 3D Mario game is gonna be half finished?
@@NickMario1 If Nintendo continues going down this route, honestly it might be.
I'm telling you, people that defend anything to do with this game never played or own the two previous games. Battle league is their first mario strikers so they gonna defend a game knowing it has problems. It literally almost been a month of release, wheres the updates? Fortnite and rocket league gets updated every month. Funny they compare that because this also proved they weren't around during the ps2 and gamecube era.
@@ThePika78 kinda disagree with your mario odyssey point since they seem to only do this to sports/spinoff games and not the mainline games because look at the mainline games like Kirby and metroid they come out complete and they did announce they delayed zelda botw 2 to make it better
The problem is that Nintendo was once considered one of the last bastions of consistent quality from the AAA developer world. However, even they have fallen down the path of greed, and it sucks to know that even Nintendo can't be fully trusted anymore. There comes a time in our lives where we have to question if these feelings of frustration are actually nostalgia goggles, or for once, the older generation is right about the old days being better.
Of course, bad games always existed, its just that there's bigger and better coverage of it, and the ones we do get are more openly exposed and flagrant with their bad design. A lot of bad games back then? At least a lot could just be chalked up to bad design, instead of the greed of the pigs up top. For the most part.
Great comment. The old days were definitely better since they were forced to release games in a finished state since they couldn't just "update" the game. Nintendo peaked with the Gamecube, DS, and Wii consoles in my opinion.
In reality they are screwing over third\second parties with tight deadlines
Because the in house develop nintendo games had a lot of development time
What is with the notion that nintendo only recently became greedy? They've been a greedy for a while now. This shouldn't be a surprise, they're a company/corporation after all. They've been greedy even during Iwata's time as President of Nintendo, it just so happens he was a much better President of Nintendo than the hacks that came after him.
We were warned back in 2014 when Nintendo is going to charge you in the near future but back then we weren’t aware how Nintendo will be too corporate than ever with their existence for being anti consumer.
Sadly, Nintendo isn't the only ones. Sega, Square Enix, Sony, Microsoft. Alot of them are becoming like that too.
Pay the full price now, and we'll MAYBE complete the game eventually, is a bad deal for buyers.
And if anyone but Nintendo was doing this, people would have no problem calling it out.
Yeah it's amazing how the Nintendo Fanboys can be hypocritical at times.
@@alphonsejohnson5601 it’s not just the fanboys. Everyone ignores the fact Nintendo is no better the EA, blizzard and the rest
Daisy and Shy Guy are here now with another bland stage and new gear, I couldn’t be more unimpressed.
Nintendo has gotten to the path with Square Enix, one of the most inconsistent game companies of all time. They are releasing amazing games and dumpster fire unfinished games as well
Yep. To keep track of all their treasures, I’m calling those good games “Diamonds in the Rough.” There are some cases that are ultimately a stretch like Star Allies or Origami King, both really good games that are heavily flawed, but at least we’ve gotten good games in the past few years. The Switch’s launch year was its only good year otherwise.
I would still say Nintnedo is the best video game developer, but I can agree that the inconsistency is starting to creep up on them, luckily most of their single player focused games are still great, but their multiplayer ones are starting to die in quality.
At least is not as bad like Sonic 06 is a unfinished game with full of glitches and unresponsive death and I give people nightmares. Some people like bad games. I don’t not buy the game because I all ready know that it was unfinished.
At least it's not like the Gamecube where it was all garbage and shit games. Even the "bad" stuff is still extremely fun. Gamecube was just embarrassing on every level. Thankfully we spoke with our wallets and made that purple turd fail!
@@davemarquez770 idk. The GameCube had some masterpieces.
First we have the Worst, now we have the most pathetic. Nice
next, we will have the most worst.
@@hatguy3119 then the Weisswurst
I'm so sad with what nintendo has done with these mario sports games. They've done this "free" update shit for all three switch mario sports games, and it's just getting worse and worse. The amount of stuff in these mario sports games in initial release is getting less and less. Making these $20 games with a $60 price tag, absolutely horrible.
When I was a kid, I think Nintendo is one of the best companies ever. Yes, this is 2000s back then. Almost every popular game company were the best of the best back then. Since the modern era came, almost all of the companies that I truly loved with heart became the shell of their former self, mostly greedy. I have very low expectations for Nintendo to be a bad company but because of their recent releases of unfinished games and other horrible practices. Well, here we are! Nintendo became one of the greediest AAA game companies as of now.
It’s probably the community, pressuring Nintendo to be the best gaming company, and the community, also being impatient with the games that have a amazing potential, and eventually making Nintendo, releasing it too early.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
@@JXFlores_Customs Ah yes, this might be the reason why we get unfinished games from Nintendo. For my perspective, most of the Nintendo fans were very impatient for the upcoming Nintendo games to release. They don't realize that developing a game needs care, passion, time and money and only to release a game when its ready. Its also their fault for pressuring Nintendo to release their games regardless of quality
@@JXFlores_Customs Yeah, I guarantee by December Mario Strikers Battle League is gonna be an awesome game content wise (it already was gameplay wise). Nintendo fanboys are slowly ruining the company.
@@Forzamon42069 it has good gameplay cause the first game has good gameplay
All joking aside, Demeech is actually right. If Mario Kart 9 did something like this, people would lose their shit and riot!!!
AND still pay for it
DONT JINX IT
I'd throw it in the trash after just one playthrough.
@@gregzotter6189 the fact you'd buy it at all says a lot about you
Dont underestimate Nintendo fans, I bet they can pay 100 dollars for Super Mario Bros with input lag and still defend Nintendo
Over a month later. Not a single "free update."
This is why i don’t want a baseball Mario game to come to the switch if it will be as bad as this
I've been watching Demeech only a few months recently but he's become my go to for Nintendo reviews. He won't hold back on the truth even if Nintendo fans don't want to hear it. I'm glad I held off on buying this for Demeech only to restore my thought that this would be a half baked product.
Most Nintendo channels are pretty corny tbh I remember when they added folders to switch and this guy literally had a 10min long video hyping it up like it was 2nd coming of Christ it was quite comical tbh
The switch is a sucess. The wii u was a failure. The sales refelect the views.
@@guyfierimtwi sales, you mean sales of joy cons, I'm pretty sure more moneys been spent buying joy cons than the console itself
I feel like this game needs/needed at least 4 things so that everyone can/could be happy
1. Some more characters, maybe 6-8 more
2. Functionally different stadiums
3. Some sort of mission mode
4. A couple extra party-like modes like a target hit mode or a penalty kick mode or an endurance mode
And more items. Theres like only 5.
Unlockables… I hate games in which you don’t unlock things by getting good. Like the other games where you could unlock Petey or the robots. Here you only unlock gear, which tbh, it is so lacking because it doesn’t make your characters better, they only redistribute your stats.
Making a game where you practically don’t earn enhancements, where winning the cups is for nothing, and only cared about online play with major faults…
I got so sad when I finnished the game in three hours. Got all cups, all monotonous…
It’s sad Nintendo doesn’t really try anymore with there multiplayer/sports games, the only game I really liked from them so far this year was Kirby and the forgotten land. I really hope we don’t get Mario kart 9 at this point it means if Nintendo is gonna rush that and only have 2 cups and 10 characters… I still wish battle league didn’t fall into the free update strategy but sadly it did, guess I’ll be playing charged still. Anyway I really wonder how long Nintendo can keep this up still, because if they keep doing the “free update” stuff a few years from now on there new console by then they will lose a lot of fans.
The only exception to the free update rule was Kirby star allies, it was already a completed game it was just too short and too easy, the free update was just adding three new dream friends and a harder difficulties such as heroes in another dimension, and soul melter EX. To be honest I always believed the Kirby franchise was getting special treatment.
I wish HAL Laboratory just took over Nintendo's IPs, they're the only company where I they truly care
The games people say were the "best" of the series are all on a massively flopping system the Gamecube. Good because it was just a massive purple turd that didn't deserve to succeed. Switch is their best system of all time, with Gamecube as their worst.
@@davemarquez770 Virtual Boy Watching in the corner: 👀
@@davemarquez770 the Gamecube had far more brutal competition than the switch, considering that the PS2 is still the console with most sales to this day. Personally "worst Nintendo console" would go to the Wiiu and i have both played it and the Gamecube
I saw someone trying defend this game he said it had great gameplay graphics and art but conveniently left out the one thing most people have been complaining about the lack of content
I can understand people defending games like Kirby star allies, it was already complete and the DLC was just harder challenges. But when some people try to defend Mario strikers battle League? that's ridiculous.
The strikers Discord still defend this game to be honest you can't convince them otherwise
@@MacDaddyYuunityAnd then some of these guys wonder why PC gamers insult them so much by calling them Nintendards or fanboys, Because they're defending bad or half baked products.
@@alphonsejohnson5601 yup
@@MacDaddyYuunity The mistake is using Discord because my god are almost all Discord servers basically subreddit hive minds
I paid 60 dollars for a game on the Nintendo Switch that has less content, characters, stages, and gameplay modes then Mario Hoops 3-on-3 for the DS for like 20 dollars.
Like, jesus christ, the game has such great animations too, I feel so bad for the people who worked so hard on this cash grab--
It was awesome being a part of the video! Thanks for having me on! 🇨🇦
Aye!
@@Demeech One thing that I don't like about _Mario Strikers: Battle League_ is that Nintendo and/or Next Level Games (most likely Nintendo) took the Kritters out and replaced them with Boom-Boom for the goalkeepers!! Now, don't you understand me wrong, here - I don't *_*mind*_* Boom-Boom in being added to the roster (the more playable/semi-playable characters the better is what I always say here!) as the goalkeeper for each team; it's just that Kritter was *_*THE*_*_ _*_ONLY_* representation of the Kremlings that the first 2 Mario Strikers video games had there [we didn't even *_*get*_* King K. Rool as a playable character - for figuratively crying out loud - for either Mario Strikers video game; and yet he was in the _Mario Super Sluggers_ video game as a playable character along with 4 Kritter characters, which were recolours/palette swaps of each other (although that video game was not developed by Next Level Games)!], and now Nintendo/Next Level Games took *_even that_* away from us in the _Mario Strikers: Battle League_ video game!!! 😡😡😡😤😤😤👎👎👎
I think Nintendo has become greedy and lazy because of too much success in money made. When you experience too much success you become conceited. They are not getting enough backlash and criticism.
Really? I find after research that they get way more criticism than most other companies.
The sequel we've all been waiting for. And it's guaranteed going to be a masterpiece!! Grab your drinks and popcorn, people.
Yeah Petey!😂😂
@@SuperPlacido1 I wasn't talking about the game, I was talking about this video. This is Demeech The Movie 2 as stated by Demeech himself.
@@perrytheplatypus4620 Ah I see! My bad! I had misunderstood!
@@SuperPlacido1 its fine
Nintendo is slowly becoming the "Disney" of video games industry. Average products with iconic characters.
29:33 this has to be the most Fever dream “I have to get my project in by tomorrow” editing I’ve ever seen
Imagine waiting 15 years for another Mario strikers game only for Nintendo to completely gone out of touch for us with their bad business practices that destroys not only the game but the franchise itself.
All that wait was all for nothing because of Nintendo's poor habits of releasing incomplete games with mediocre contents
@@edmartinez925 Mario baseball is next
@@therealjaystone2344 I think it's the company's current president that's causing all these problems.
Blame Splatoon 2 that started free updates
@@laniman4128 Except Splatoon 2 had a substantial basegame and is a multiplayer online game as well. It's not that Splatoon was wrong for it, it's just that they didn't understand the circumstances as to why it was so successful for Splatoon.
Strikers Charged was the best one. Each Main character was a leader of their own team, with several different side characters for teammates and each had their own unique gimmicks. And the stages, the hazards that came with them like the meteors, Tornados, even the electric fence you can see the skeletons of the characters that got shocked.
The pure, raw sexy that was the savagery the characters had like Waluigi’s Dick Thrust, Peach’s temper, Wario suicide bombing himself, where did all the edge go!? Now that was a real Strikers that we will never see again.
Also I don’t like the gear system, the changing the points in a character’s stats seems unnecessary to me, I rather just keep it cosmetic, a light weighted Bowser or heavy hitting Luigi feels super off. And where is my Kritter Goalie!?
All things considered I am glad I didn’t buy this game, I was waiting for reviews and glad I held my money.
About the "Raw Sexy Savagery" bit, I was accepting to not come on the new series because people are even more sensitive nowdays especially competitive ones (like Splatoon 3 don't even have a Lose screen anymore), about everything else, there's no excuse.
I like the second paragraph
I haven't played the game but from what I've seen, it's exactly how you said it, it's not even close to being a good Strikers game.
RIP sassy sexy princess Peach from Charged 😢
I like how Nintendo is pretty much just clickbaiting fans with old beloved franchises like Wii Sports and Mario Strikers.
Wait till they bring back F Zero only to make it a 60 dollar beta test where they only finish the game with "free updates". Captain Falcon would be disappointed.
@@turbobist2889 Captain Falcon would probably come in a "FrEe UpDaTe"
@@turbobist2889 shit I didn’t think about that, maybe we should hold off with f-zero requests for the time being
Nintendo clearly can't meet deadlines in order to release complete/finished games at launch. It's a sad state of affairs because Nintendo used to put quality into their games before anything else. Greed continues to consume them and that's why we keep getting these half baked, unfinished games at launch.
Nowhere near as bad as the dogshit Gamecube era though!
@@davemarquez770 the gamecube era was actually really good , but it had some of the setbacks that the n64 did (the game medium was driving developers away , and also they had to face off against the playstations 1 and 2 , which meant guaranteed loss). The gamecube did a lot better than the wii u , and its games , while they are really divisive within their respective franchises, they are very unique. Yeah i also hate Mario sunshine like you probably do , but that is pretty much the only unfinished notable game on the platform (not counting smash melee but thats beyond the point)
@@prismiemona One of the least divisive GameCube games on the console is Smash Bros. Melee, but even then, some people were turned off by the Melee community.
Kirby and the forgotten land was made by HAL, not Nintendo. Nintendo just works with the company just like they work with the company that made zelda.
@@davemarquez770 you are seriously crying like a baby over an actual good Nintendo console? Wow you must have NO standards if you think the SHwITch is the best system they made
Honestly, most big companies like Epic Games, Mojang, and Roblox are being like Nintendo with inconsistency. Epic is just a Valve wannabe, Mojang with the terrible moderation, and Roblox suffering the same fate as Mojang, it’s disappointing how these once amazing companies just became inconsistent as time went on. It’s sad honestly.
acting like valve is a messiah when they literally make mass profit off of their fand and doing nothing lol
fans
@@nolethXB I mean every company makes money of their fans right? unless im missing something here
Not just inconsistent, greedy and lazy.
@@nolethXB so your upset a company in a capitalist world is making money? I have some news you might not like.
Or is it because they don’t pump games out every year? Because that’s generally a good thing. When a game does come out it’s going to be really good. Half life Alyx proved that.
The saddest part is that a free-to-play Pokemon MOBA of all things started with more characters than a $60 "AAA" 1st Party Nintendo game
Granted, half of the starting Pokemon Unite roster were originally Gen 1 but the game updates that adds characters/pokemon at least much more consistently than this game (as well as Aces and Super Rushed)
True. I haven't played that game in a long time. Last time I've played was before the hoopa event.
And data mines just revealed recently MORE fan favorite playable Pokemon that are coming very soon. (In case you haven't been keeping up, I won't spoil but one of them is like a GEN 2 FAVORITE let's just say)
Like I have issues with the game (mostly the matchmaking aspect) but you know what... Game still feels like it's got legs and with the constant content updates, it's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Mario Golf Super Rush I SWEAR just came and went... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Pokemon unite is still p2w, and full of terrible overpriced skins.
@@serily4524 true (also P2W or Grind for a month on average), but that's besides the point
Having a more higher roster of characters does not equal better game sadly, thats mobas for u, i quit it anyways, the game is nothing different from ur average gacha with overpriced skins, and now paywalling of literal characters.
So NOW they are finally adding Daisy(And Shy Guy) to this mess, but its already too late and defeats the whole purpose. She should've been there to begin with, and the game itself is still barren. I don't care about this game anymore, and I'm not devoting more time and money into a mediocre product that already wore out its welcome.
Can we just stop pretending that Nintendo is as good as ever? They've fallen so hard since Iwata died and Reggie left.
They are no longer a game company. They are a business that releases entertainment apparatuses that print money for them
and they also strike down fan works that are better than their own games
@@kingpig8732 I can't think of a single fan game that was even half as good as Nintendo's masterpieces, but sure go off with that weird overexaggeration!
So basically nothing at all has changed about Nintendo since they entered the game making business in 1980 or so?
@@davemarquez770 They aren't masterpieces at all, releasing a game with a 60 dollar price tag when it has barely any content worth it, remember when there were games like punch out wii where there was so much content and they completely revitalised the series in 3d, added title defense and an endless mode to push it above all the other punch out games and really struck with all the character personality, now you have games like nintendo switch sports which has less sports than resort, and an accessory with it that only works for 1 boring game mode, oh yeah and fangames are free, cater towards what the community wants, such as super smash flash and you are fuckin lying if you want to buy nintendo shit sports or mario strikers battle league over playing a game with actual passion put into it. You really radiate the nintendo fanboy aura, so how about you keep flushing your cash down the drain and then you'll realise that other companies can make better games
@@davemarquez770 AM2R, pokemon Uranium, Super Mario Power Star Frenzy, Super Mario 63, Newer Super Mario Bros Wii, sure we the fans dont even hold a candle to the gods that are Nintendo huh
People always say the Nintendo fanboys are the sole reason for Nintendo releasing mediocre games now but I think the casual audience is just as bad as the fanboys since they’ll buy anything because of brand recognition and nothing else
Also recently I saw a comment on a Battle League video that said and I quote “Let’s start the “It’s not Mario Strikers Charged” meme like “it’s not Melee””
Next thing you know, they're gonna make a mainline mario game where mario is locked behind a free update.
I hope this will never happen, Nintendo still has a soul developing Single player games. But yeah, they are screwing up Multiplayer centric games already
Look at Mario Party Superstars, from what I’ve experienced, this “Free Update” baloney don’t seem to have happened with it, and even if so, it’s not as significant as Super Rush or Tennis Aces. And it’s a modern Mario Game.
This is why I was PRAYING they would leave Strikers in its grave. I knew they would Tennis Novices/Super Rushed the game. Dreaded it in the Nintendo Direct when they showed it off.
If a video features Uncle Al, you know it's gonna be good
10 characters, 5-no ONE stage, there are less than minimal content, and it costs 60$. that is absolutely pathetic
Would’ve been better and more savage if you said Luigi’s Mansion compared to Battle League was like going from Pixar to Illumination. Props to anyone who gets the idea.
Video Brinquedo is FAR worse than illumination
@@Demeech
Content wise, that’s true.
Battlefront 1 has 16 maps, 20 characters, Galactic Conquest. Only released in 2004!
Battlefront 2 has 24+ characters to play as, 18 land maps, 6 space maps, 4 Xbox DLC Maps which are free and be downloaded as a PC mod and only was made in 2005!
Mortal Kombat Armageddon has 50+ characters to play from, and a story mode. Only was released in 2006!
Mario Strikers Battle League has 10 characters, no story mode, one stadium with no unique features. Released in 2022.
Nintendo. What the flump are you doing?!
Live services weren't really a thing till about 10 years ago at least. Before that most games were actually finished. But now it seems that every AAA game suffers from the 'fix it later' approach (aside from a couple exceptions)
At least indie games exist I suppose.
Games were not easier to make lol
Great review. You praise its pros and bash its cons unlike other Nintendo TH-camrs that just give everything Nintendo pumps out glowing reviews.
3:07 Demeech’s Fury
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If I'd known Nintendo would sink like titanic without Iwata around to set things straight, I would've jumped ship to Microsoft years ago.
The only reason I started playing Nintendo games and consoles because of Kirby. If it wasn't for that little guy I would have never been interested in Nintendo or it's consoles.
@@alphonsejohnson5601 some people care about their passion projects more than others I guess.
Yeah there has been a real downgrade in quality in Nintendo games during these recent years. Pretty much everyone knows "free updates" means "the game is unfinished but we'll take your money anyway. Also you will get a decent game in a year or two if you're lucky and we feel like it."
Nintendo is becoming crappy, their games were way better before. One of my examples is Mario and Sonic at the Olympics 2012 (idk if it's the correct name, I'm french). This game has many game modes. From traditional sports games to mini games for a party type mode. It may not be perfect, but it's very replayable and it's actually fun. There are some good games on the switch but it doesn't make up for the quality of the most recent games.
I've pretty much switched over to exclusively indie titles now because the AAA industry is failing to give us experiences worth remembering (with some exceptions)
Great video btw. I discovered you when I saw your unfinished Nintendo games video and you have definitely improved man.
As I say. At least we got indie games.
Kirby and the forgotten land is the only reason I still have a switch now. If it wasn't for that game, I would have sold my switch and saved up for an Xbox or PS5.
@@alphonsejohnson5601 Yeah that game is great from what I've heard.
@@alphonsejohnson5601 you should still do it anyway, I got a PS5 awhile ago and I plan on getting the new Xbox sometime this year too!
@@alphonsejohnson5601 not Tetris 99 or animal crossing?
@@wolfetteplays8894 I haven't played either. But I guess I should have added indie games, because I do love deltarune , hollow knight and undertale and then there's botw, but most of (except a few) nintendo's AAA games are unfinished, $60 messes. Nintendo used to be a very good company, but nowadays it's games like mario strikers battle league with it's "free updates"that has disappointed me time and time again with nintendo's "finish it later" approach. Then there's NSO, which is a poor version of GameFly. And while I do love the above mentioned games, I can easily get them on PC through steam and an emulator respectively. But the fact that I love kirby and that there's a new game on the switch I had to take it.
I think it’s like the other sports games, but this time people are just fed up with all the mediocrity, and this was the breaking point
Apart from graphics and online, I can't think of a single thing Battle League did better than Charged, like everything present in Battle League was done much better in Charged
Only animation polish
Charged had more personality
The game was faster, more hecktic
More character diversity
Character power ups.
Sense of progression
More items
Stage variation (quickly recall the one with no electric fence that could become a 4v1 or the dk stage that left marks on the wood)
Fun unlockables (freaking Petey Piranha!)
Even the mechanic of charging the ball and hitting a super strong hit with a weak character at the end felt a lot more satisfying than an electric “perfect shot” of a strong character in BL.
Who fucking cares about graphics smfh, graphics do not equal good game, anyone can make a high graphics game today but dogshit quality.
Nintendo has one of the dumbest, most gullible, most blindly loyal fanbases I've ever seen, and I say that as someone that only owns a Nintendo Switch.
I felt as if I broke away from being such a blind fanboy ever since I played Paper Mario Sticker Star. It was literally the most biggest disappointment I had ever experienced from a Nintendo game. I'm not even joking, that might have been the moment I opened my eyes.
As a switch owner and someone who grew up with Nintendo I agree but I also think the games are reflective of the switch console itself. The biggest issue with the switch is the fragile, drifty joycons that Nintendo refuses to fix. Not to mention the low battery and lackluster online services.
Theres a difference beetween being loyal and being a bootlicker
$100 for a beta........
Christ please save gaming as we are in the darkest of times
Indie games exist. They are our only hope now.
Maybe fans should stop rushing and expecting Nintendo games to come so soon and then get mad when it doesn’t turn out well.
Modern Nintendo is their worst when they think they dont need to try due to successful hardware sales.
The gamecube flopped massively and they were releasing pure shit and buggy games nobody asked for, while the Switch has the most consistent quality games since the SNES and is a massive success. Seems like the "success = laziness" and "failure = trying harder" is a big conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up. Come up with better arguments.
Lmao gamers.
Honestly I’m so Upset Boom Boom is the goalie….I love when characters that are from Mario side series appear in Mario games such as the Ukikis appearing in the series starting in Mario 64 or Funky in Mario Kart Wii. Or just characters/enemies that don’t appear often. That’s why I’m upset the Kremlings where replaced…with the generic Boom Boom no less……
And Boom Boom is his own character, he ain’t a species. What, are they going to add Pom Pom too?
While Switch Sports is absolutely a nothing burger, Mario Strikers Battle League is a waste potential and it has no business being so expensive, but so barebones. All I hope is that Nintendo listens the criticisms with these game and stop rushing game out the door. Great vid BTW👌.
This was really well put together your work is really fun and entertaining. I feel the same way and whenever I checked my total hours played for this game it makes me feel the hit from this game. Charged was so much fun and from what I remember had a better ranking system in my opinion. Thanks for making this video. All the best.
Thank you!
Here's my take on these "Free Updates" for incomplete games; if it's not done in *less then a month, than delay the game!!!* Don't waste peoples time and money on a $60 - $100 game (depending on where you live) that won't get finished for another few months or year. Especially if its a AAA game from a multi-BILLION gaming company.
Play indie games because they are far better than most of the AAA games that have come out recently.
10:23 he burped so hard it decreased the fps
Battle League just felt like it lacked substance. The thing that I loved the most were the characters and the personalities they had. Peach used to have moxy, Daisy had spunk, Waluigi was raunchy, and Wario was a selfish dickhead. Think about stuff like the crotch chop, Wario's accordion, and Daisy being ready to straight up body her teammates because they were underperforming. Now it's generic "Oh no! Well, I'll get them next time!" It just doesn't have that same spunk or grit that it once had. It was my childhood game and I hate to see it disappoint like this.
My biggest problem with this game?
It's $60
No way no how I'm wasting 60 bucks for an incomplete game.
What is worse Nintendo switch sports or chibi robo zip lash
@@Gordonjamesheneryproductions Switch Sports at least Chibi Robo has an adventure and more things to do
@@elmaionesosexo but both games blow
Through s both physical games in the toilet
@@Gordonjamesheneryproductions i know that, but you know? at least Chibi Robo was attempting to do something
Battle league feels like playing same mario party minigame over and over again. Fun minigame but it will get boring and repetetive if you keep playing the same one.
And I thought Nintendo switch sports was really bad. Nevermind, they're BOTH stupid!
A thing that was executed like Nintendo but correctly is Cuphead. It was so long before we got the dlc, but since the game was so good, people were fine with it since they knew it was going to be quality so it was highly anticipated and people loved it, instead of having low quality stuff come more of it half a year later.
Quality over quantity, Nintendo. Or, in this case, both of those...
In this case, Cuphead was ACTUALLY FINISHED, so updated were very HYPE compared to what Nintendo is doing.
Yeah, I miss when Nintendo used to do that. The only games they did that with this generation were Breath of the Wild, Smash Ultimate, and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. Everything else (as far as I know) uses the "finish it later" model. :(
@@kelvindavis172 yeah, that's 100% true. Just wish Nintendo did quality and quantity over neither.
Honestly, it pisses me off whenever Nintendo reveal a new sports game and people actually get excited for it.
When are we going to wise up and take the hint that these games are just minimal effort cash grabs?
Now that the game is finished, I like it even LESS than I did back at launch. Atleast I had hope about the updates making the game good, but now that it's finally finished...WOW.... just WOW.
for the first like, 25 minutes of the video, i'd say this was your best work. seeing you let other youtubers take the stage and douse the "fury" with a grounding of the points while still not sugarcoating the way the game was being handled in any way, it felt like a genuinely great evolution of your content and the strongest defense of your stance regarding the Nintendo update model so far, especially with the few years of the model being around being used as examples. I fully agree with the fact that Nintendo's content model is abysmal.
you also tackled nearly every question that i went into this video asking or thinking of, like "is this video *really* necessary? the reaction to Battle League was already AWFUL" and "how would you even make a video on Battle League at this point? haven't you already made your points enough times?" You definitely did a good job at that.
but the reason why i'm making this comment was because this might be the skit which left me with the absolute sourest taste in my mouth. i was never a fan of the... "strawman sarcasm" that fueled your skits, but that was simply my opinion. it was just your brand of content, and that's fine. but... were the blatant ad hominem attacks *really* necessary? is putting the fault of everything that has befallen nintendo on a dozen loud shills that you seem to intent on feeding and interacting with *really* necessary?
imagine if someone that is genuinely trying to give this content a try to see a counterargument to their beliefs, and then right as they feel like you might have just made good points to them, and then they listen to 29:03. if even someone like me who fully agrees with your stances is having a hard time listening to that, then...
idk maybe i'm just in the wrong place.
The review is serious. The skits are designed to be entertaining and exaggerated. My goal was to illustrate my frustration with the shills in an entertaining way.
@@Demeech first off, thank you for reading and responding.
in the end of the day i feel like even with it being non-serious, this skit was the first one that really didn't sit right with me. maybe i *am* being a bit too sensitive, but i do feel like keeping your responses to the shills serious while keeping the skits for bashing the company and the game is something that could be considered.
it is your content, and the fact you're listening to feedback and growing your content is very respectable. hope to keep seeing that in the future.
@@SereKabii I'll always take feedback into consideration. If it fully dismissed criticism, I'd go against everything my channel is about. I will admit shills have frustrated me, and the skit was made to be funny and also illustrate my frustrations. But if it came across as petty, I understand that.
@@SereKabii Thinking about what you are saying here I haven't put much thought into this particular perspective before, However, I can say that it will be very hard to make a review of a game without reflecting good or bad on the creators of the game. Since it being a serious and critical review it's not going to hesitate to be real.
As far as the bashing I guess it technically could be avoided, however to do that he'd have to get rid of emotion entirely when he is recording the videos, and just from personal experience fully blocking out your emotions isn't possible because I've tried. It never holds up super well. You can sustain it for awhile, but it always explodes in your face at some point.
A whole lot of it has to do with the track record and I've been unfortunate enough to be a witness to how track record can affect things where I work. Track record matters a lot and that can be the difference between someone dismissing something to someone firing you over the same act. Thing is... Nintendo's track record is not good, so there's more built up annoyance and frustration behind it.
I think the biggest thing to learn is that people are going to share their opinions whether you want it or not. Its an inescapable part of life as a human (which to be fair there's a lot worse creatures you can be, so we actually have things pretty good compared to other creatures) that I fully get you on. I constantly have trouble with that on a day to day basis.
You just have to smart enough to see it as someone else's and to have your own opinion on matters (not letting other people force you in a band wagon)
As far as what I think I'm sorry to say that I actually do agree with this video. The reason I agree with it is that really recently I've experienced buying a game from Nintendo and it was so bad quality I didn't play it. Pokemon Sword and Shield was the one that was like that for me, Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl the same thing.
What he is describing in his video isn't just a what if scenario, it has actually happened to consumers who bought games that Nintendo has made in recent history.
So, while he did bash Nintendo a lot, it was based on true experiences and disappointment that many consumers have felt.
On the skits, yeah that could have been left out. I actually skipped it because I thought it didnt fit in.
It's like buying a pizza that has good-tasting sauce and cheese, but bland-tasting crust and pepperoni
Exactly its like a good burger without the pickles and mayonnaise
@@henveeee Actually I kinda hate mayonnaise and pickles on my burger not gonna lie.
@@realthemariogamer so battle league is perfect for you
@@henveeee No, I'm just saying that I don't like those toppings usually on my burger, especially pickles. Your example isn't really the best to be honest.
@@realthemariogamer i don't know i think it just went over your head.
The problem with modern Nintendo imo is that they don’t put in enough effort in the game. For example, Mario Party Superstars is only good because it was what the Top 100 should’ve been. They didn’t have to make any new content. I like the game but the cracks were showing when their was only 10 characters and 5 boards. With the sports games like Battle League, they made Next Level Games rush it out the door/give them a limited budget to not have MORE than 10 characters, a small amount of stages with the only difference being the aesthetic (Mario Tennis Ultra Smash BS) and like no extra game modes. Only to add them in months down the line to reignite interest. Compared to the N64 and Gamecube era where Nintendo didn’t have as much money, they could still make amazing games that had a lot of content at launch. I just really hope this doesn’t effect their big games. They know that people will buy their games no matter the content and even potentially get more sales when the game gets the free updates. It’s just really sad.
Everyone who buys Nintendo games deserves to get screwed over. Boycott until they improve or don't complain when you shell out more money for the same garbage experiences.
I'm a pretty smart dude and I only buy Nintendo games that I know that are worth it, such as Kirby and the forgotten land, breath of the wild, hollow Knight, Sonic origins and a few others. I know when a game is really good and when it's half baked garbage
@LiquidMetal Yes yes, the game does have some flaws but I was able to look past them and have a good time with the game.
Nintendo fans love the games, Nintendo fanboys love the company. Just like Infinite from Sonic Forces said "that's the difference between you and me"
Yup you nailed everything perfectly. Yet we have select few people that still purchase the game because "gameplay" when Nintendo is giving them less content for the same amount of money and unfinished at that lol. The game is not worth $60. Compare the game to the superior Strikers Charged and you'll see quite the difference. Then they talk about the "dlc later" thing. Yeah DLC that should've already been there in the base game.
To those that voted with their wallets and didn't support this practice, respect. I'm glad there are actually are people that didn't just buy the game blindly. Surprised me.
The game sold faster in the UK, USA, and Japan than Charged and is still in the top 5 on the Switch eshop. It's already gonna be the best selling in the series whether you like it or not. People like fun games, what's so bad about that?? Stop gatekeeping buying games just because YOU don't like it. I like it so I bought it. Twice. One physical and one digital.
@@davemarquez770 it's only the best selling of the three because it's on the switch, and that's it. I'm convinced that the gameplay is pretty good, but that's really all the game has, and people like demeech and a lot of people in the comment section do not think of just the big picture like you do, but rather the smaller details that were present in the first two games and that this game just doesn't have, or if it has, they're very limited.
additionally, charged came out very early into the wii's lifespan, and most people just focused on mario kart wii, TLOZ: twilight princess and super mario galaxy. this game has just come out, and the switch is in the middle of its lifespan. 5 years? yeah, that's more than enough to the point where any first-party games can rack up over 2 million sales, even a relative failure like arms, which came out at launch, which is why people are complaining even more.
we currently live in a world where free updates and DLC are two common things seen in the gaming world, but there's a huge difference between updating a game and content that should at best be only really downloadable and optional, stuff that should only affect the game on a very minor scale (that's how DLC should have always worked, so, basically, expansion packs), and a game that just adds content for free and those aforementioned expansion packs just aren't expansion packs, as an excuse to complete the game.
to make it easier to understand, take the example of super smash bros. 4. sakurai had only 2 years of development and he made a complete game, with every game mode present, a pretty big roster, 8-player smash, trophies, a stage builder, a mii creator, etc. etc. the DLC only consisted of some characters, stages and music that really not even the majority of users needed (at least when playing casually, in competitiveness, it was just about bayonetta, but even then..), while the free updates fixed bugs and gave nerfs/buffs to characters, and in the worst case scenario, it added support for some more stages in 8-player smash. that's about it. that's an example of how to do DLC and free updates correctly, and the game came out in late 2014.
now look at super smash bros. ultimate. 3 years of development after planning was finished, and even more time was saved since SSBU uses the same engine (and most of the features) as SSB4. and...at launch, the game had no stage builder and no mob smash either, which, for a game that is all about the roster, was a very strange decision. a lot of features that you see in ultimate right now have been added for free after launch, and to top it off, it has some of the most expensive DLC of any switch game currently available, with the additional characters costing almost as much as the game itself, and with such context, DLC feels much more necessary than in SSB4. additionally, all-star mode is just mob smash again instead of being its own thing like in the previous games. at this point, people only play ultimate just for the online mode that is somewhat refined from other multiplayer games on the switch, but there are a lot of people who play SSB4 online as well.
so, to conclude the entire text, everyone that you see complaining about this game (even myself) focus on the smaller details that should have been added from the start because they are what make the game complete, or at least feel complete. as much as I want to buy this game, without those "smaller details", it's otherwise a generic football game with mario characters, which is what maybe casuals and a lot of switch defenders want, but actual fans don't.
also the game costs $60, when it should have cost at most $40, which is another reason why people are complaining.
@@davemarquez770 its objectively inferior to it's predecessors. It fails to elaborate on anything established, and it fails to compensate in any meaningful way
@@davemarquez770 It's on the switch so it's naturally going to sell more than the one on the GameCube and Wii. For a switch game, it's underperforming anyways even compared to the other spinoffs like Aces and Golf. Even the sales in the UK have become stagnant as it only recently dropped to number 5 and quickly at that. U.S. sales are not doing well either. Japan also isn't so interested in the game either. Majority of people who bought the game have a negative opinion about it so it just goes to show you.
It's not just about rather or not I like the game. It's about not supporting these practices of "finish it later" in order for us to get another product without that BS. If you want less content for the same price then good for you! Keep wasting your money on video games you already have a second time lol.
@@classicgameover You nailed everything right on the head so I didn't even really need to reply to him. You put the dude in hush mode. Seriously can't understand why people defend the "finish it later drive" like it's so dumb. Just compare the game to Charged to get an understanding but no though this guy pays over $120 for a bare bones content game lol.
I think the real reason this game failed is because Daisy isn’t in the roster even though she is a big part of Mario Strikers. This is like that photo scene in Encanto where the cast is the family and Daisy is the protagonist.
Now that I think about it…
The protagonist does kind of remind me of Daisy
If Daisy was in the game but everything else was in the stage as it is now it would still be a fail.
Mario Strikers Charged is just orders of magnitude better.
Demeech, this is your magnum opus, I had a blast with this vid, especially the ending with Petey playing Charged. Also as a Canadian, I must apologize for that jerk that criticized you, up here we are known for being polite, don't know what his beef was. I for one am not willing to spend $100 on this sad excuse for a game. Frick Bowser and Furukawa, I stand by the believe they are a disgrace to the Reggie and Iwata before them.
I'm well aware Canadians are polite! I've went to Toronto in 2011 and always have wanted to go back. Thank you!
@@Demeech That's where I'm from, glad to hear you enjoyed it. Also bro 29:07 is cursed af.
Who do people give Reggie credit for everything that happened in Nintendo? Did people forget that this guy almost ruined any chance of xenoblade becoming a important franchise for Nintendo?
@@Demeech Also Demeech. I think you should move to Canada. Due to the USA trying to become how Germany was in late 1930's and Early 1940's ever since the tragedy of Roe vs Wade.
*video not vid. I don't understand the concept of wanting to shorten a word that is already short enough as it is. I find it ridiculous. But I do understand wanting to shorten long words.🤦♂
It's a damn shame Nintendo has been going towards this route with their games recently. I can forgive the first few titles within Nintendo Switch's lifespan since they're making up for it, but now that they're making a habit out of it, that's unacceptable. From what I can remember, it happened with Arms, Mario Tennis Aces, Animal Crossing, Mario Golf, Nintendo Sports, and now this? Please comment on the games I missed but it's just getting ridiculous at this point and what's worse is people defending this kind of behavior.
I agree with everything you said 100%. When me and my sister were talking to each other about how good Kirby and the forgotten land was, she told me that HAL made Kirby and the forgotten land (as well as the entire franchise), not Nintendo. And while it's true that HAL does work with Nintendo, HAL has control of Kirby not Nintendo.
ARMS was not unfinished. Its a fighting game and new IP. people just didnt like it. As for animal crossing, people loved that so much and it was 80% finished.
@@guyfierimtwi People did enjoy the game, but long time fans have stated the game is disappointing compared to the release on the 3DS.
Arms released with a lack of content and despite it being a fighting game, doesn't excuse it since plenty of fighting games out there had more content on release than Arms and you can say it's because it's a new IP, doesn't excuse that problem. SFV and Bleeding Edge was criticized for that, so to excuse Arms because it's a new IP is ridiculous.
@@Renegado140 Here's the thing about animal crossing. When you put it in the "finish it later" group, everyone hates it. When you treat it standalone, it's a good game. And yet animal crossing gets treated like crap and super mario party with NO dlc gets like medicore scores and people "move on". Could you imagine if it got dlc for smp? We would be categorizing is it as a finish it later game.
@@guyfierimtwi But thats the thing, Animal Crossing is the kind of game that can last for a long time for anyone depending if you're patient. When i first played Animal Crossing it was on the 3DS and it had enormous amount of content.
When Animal Crossing New Horizons came out, a lot of people enjoyed it but ended up as a disappointment since it has less features than previous titles, that's why people put in that group, is because while they introduced some new features, they also removed a lot at the same time.
That to me doesn't merit something that should be rewarded.
Despite all of this, yes Animal Crossing for the Switch is a great game, but it's being compared to their previous entry that is a better game imo, and I'm not alone when I make that comment.
I don't agree being toxic when criticizing a game because these are videogames at the end of the day, but if any company is screwing up or a game is a disappointment, then it deserves to be criticized so the developers can take the feedback and do better next time. Unfortunately for Nintendo, they have been doing this a lot recently and the criticism is deserved.
Sometimes, I gotta wonder why I'm still a Nintendo fan in this day and age. It's been my main (and only) console library since I started gaming and that'll likely never change due to my attachment with it. Which makes me really sad whenever I see a game like Battle League come around. Another example of a Nintendo game shipping off lackluster and fixing the problem later. When a games only shining quality is high quality animation, it's not going to bode well. Maybe in 6 month Battle League will feel like $60, but that doesn't matter because what we had at the beginning didn't feel like what we paid for. Do not regret skipping this one.
The fact that people still defend the core gameplay of the game is crazy to me. The core gameplay is so slow and tedious
They never played the previous games. Battle league is their first lol.
Given that this game had little content at launch, it would've been better off as a free-to-play game instead of something that costs money.
I agree but there's no way Nintendo would do that. The only free to play game I can think of is Pokemon unite and even that has a ton of microtransactions
29:53 any specific reason, lore wise or even thought process wise, as to why half of your face turns into the 1998 KLaSKY-CSUPO Splaat?
The Strikers series had always been incredibly difficult, Battle League is the easiest in the series
I have one thing to say about the new strikers game. The game looks and feels fantastic! But it severely lacks in content. Such as characters and stadium hazards. If that was addressed from the launch then we wouldn’t have this review. Which does point out a lot of issues In the game.
this game is like 1 step forward (gear, modern graphics), 2 steps back (stadiums, lack of gamemodes and roster - seriously, they removed koopas, hammer bros, and kritter etc??)
I'm pretty terrified for the prospect of Mario kart 9 existing. I've wanted it for such a long time but now?? I have no doubt it will be a de-evolution of the series in many ways
Way to be a downer on a game that doesn't exist yet. I bet you have SO many friends with that hateful attitude...
tour is considered mario kart 9 and it's the worst one
Great video.
I wanted Mario strikers battle league to be good but it just isn't.
As a Daisy fan a wasn't as disappointed as others when it was revealed that she wouldn't be in the game but I was more disappointed in the fact that there were 10 characters. Mario has a lot of characters but they chose the most basic ones and even leave out staples like daisy. I would rather have a roster full clones like baby Mario or pink gold peach with or without daisy instead of 10 characters we've seen 100+ times.
I thought the game was very lacking in content but I love the animations and the soundtrack (Albeit it's generic af) Free update model isn't going to work for this game.
Being honest I just blame Nintendo for letting a game this unfinished be released I could of waited a little longer if it meant I for more content,characters and even more
It is sad to see, but unfortunately Nintendo has finally joined in on the greed that plagues modern gaming. Who knows when they'll decide to bring MTX over to games outside of mobile. To think they wouldn't do so ever is just being in denial at this point.
Money does indeed talk, and no company is forever safe from caving into greed.
True. This is why I'm concerned about their future games like Splatoon 3 and Pokémon SV.
@@ThePrismaticEnder
Splatoon always had that model, apparently, so maybe it won't be too much of a problem.
@@NoBillsOfCrashDamage until nintendo adds microtransactions to their games, they're not greedy
(mobile games don't count
@@volvoman5262
As long as the MTX aren't locking any elements required for game completion behind a paywall, then I suppose they can be implemented in non-greedy ways.