This was a pretty biased video (thank you for uploading it all the same!), but then again, the Israeli delegation member did a terrible job proving his case. [tears out hair]
@@randomamericansescreaction1590 Oh, Uppdrag Granskning is the name of an investigative journalism show on SVT, and this is today’s episode of that show.
well considering it was for a tv show they could not include everything that happened..... and yet, maybe this segment should have included everything. A mini-series looking at all the issues that happened. It does lean much in favour of one side and yet, it is a start. Hopefully some brash Eurovision fan journalist will try to get more in depth stories because of this. As much as the EBU said there will be new rules in place and as much as many fans say the same as this TH-camr - not to make 2025 a repeat of 2024 - it still has that potential. The EBU/ESC is not known for its rigorous policy enforcement. They let one stage jumper crash Spain's performance and less than a decade later another was able to wrestle the mic away from Surie. How could a guy get that close to a performer?? What if he had a weapon in that backpack?? Where's the security in all this? So now we are to believe that things will be better next year?? Maybe if the countries send a bunch of neutral or pro-Israeli artists, but if any come out in opposition, I really have no expectations that drama will not happen behind the scenes. Then what of the fans in the arena?? They simply cannot tell people to clap only. The EBU is always tight lipped about everything - we still have no idea how that guy got a backpack past security in 2018 when the police were otherwise strictly enforcing the ban about big bags. I saw it in action myself. This is really part of the problem- there needs to be a public discussion and evaluation of events. The Facebook fan groups are still exploding with the information and misinformation that circulates and gets published, this video included. People just arent satisfied with the one-page press releases because they really say nothing and offer no closure. Should fans get over it and move on?? Sure but people are still salty about their favourite song not qualifying from over a decade ago... when will that ever happen for fans who feel like the EBU does not have the authority it claims?
I want to make it clear that this channel is non political, but some things to keep in mind while watching this: * The treatment of Eden Golan was disgusting * The treatment of Eric Saade was disgusting * The treatment of journalists was disgusting * The treatment of Eurovision fans was disgusting * The amount of misinformation spread was disgusting * SVT irresponsibly platformed the IsraelBreaksRules disinformation account, who openly admit to blocking people who correct their disinformation * If you are at all interested in making 2025 a repeat of 2024, no matter what side of the political divide you’re on, please leave this fandom immediately
Du kanske skulle adderat: "The treatment from the Israeli delegation, commentators and media was wrong" också, annars så håller jag med dig And for international reading this: "No one is lonely to blame for this mess that was ESC 2024, EBU fucked up, Israel and their delegation, media, commentators fucked up, SVT fucked up, journalists fucked up, almost everyone fucked it up this year. The difference is that only some of those parts have taken responsibility for their actions, I´m still waiting for EBU and the Israeli delegation with all there members to do that also, the behaviour of the Israeli HoD in this interview is not ok by any means, NO ONE IS INNOCENT, that´s what made me angry after watcning this
So question - the translations of the KAN commentator's words during the postcards were not accurate? For example, what they said about Ukraine or what is in this video about UK / Olly Alexander?
@@elijahhawaii I don’t know, but they completely lied about the segment on Bambie Thug and translated an obvious joke into an insult in a dead serious tone (I can’t remember it verbatim, but the commentator said something along the lines of “prepare your spells with Bambie” and it was translated to something like “get ready to curse at Bambie”) , and they’ve lied about many many many things before that point too, in very questionable ways. I’ve been working on and off for months on a video on my main channel to debunk all their claims. However, they have deleted their account in response to backlash from this documentary which makes it impossible to verify.
@@LivsArkiv I appreciate the reply. I really find though that this video is in itself a bit of misinformation. For the fans and others involved we know the basics of all the controversy. The segment about the audience turning on the EBU and Martin Osterdahl made it seem like it was because of Israel in the final or if not that at least an undercurrent of anti-Israel sentiment. It totally leaves out that Joost was disqualified the day before and the fans in the arena were incensed at that. Just an FYI, I went to all three jury shows and all three live shows. I was present for all the booing, both at Eden and at Martin. I was right at the security tent at the entrance before the live final when the pro-Palestinian demonstrators tried to rush the entrance and the police had to push them back. I saw some things.
You can call it whatever you want; but personally I lost a lot of respect, if not all for KAN the moment they referred to Olly Alexander as "a hamas supporter". Crass, sad and pathetic.
If they are geoblocked on the official Eurovision TH-cam channel, then you can use a VPN to access them. Otherwise, some national broadcasters have them posted, notably Norway's NRK TV but the commentary is of course all Norwegian.
@@randomamericansescreaction1590 The Polish reporter is me. You are entitled to your own opinion. Bringing a song from the beginning with political intentions and the possibility of a potential threat from a side that previously attacked Israel (October 7th) brought a risk to all other participants from almost 40 countries. The demonstrations of thousands and extraordinary security measures are the best proof of that. Can't you see it? The security was one of the main topics of discussion in the press center. The question was not to blame the person (Eden is a singer) but to try to find out what she thinks about it. The question had to be asked to a particular artist. By the way. I was also wished dead after that question.
@@szymonstellmaszyk It's not Eden's fault that the genocidal terrorist organization that murdered the most Jews in a single day since the holocaust would be "a potential threat" there. By that logic, Jews shouldn't go outside and do anything due to being terrorist targets. The blame here is not Jewish and/or Israeli people wanting to do stuff but the fact that they need security measures (many of which were provided by their own country). Is it not fucked up that that is needed? You shouldn't have received a death threat. You also could have phrased it in a way where you did NOT lay the blame at her feet. A lot of Jewish people I know found this question to be victim blaming. I will give you the benefit of the doubt! But please listen to us as well for how it comes across.
historical eurovision edition
This was a pretty biased video (thank you for uploading it all the same!), but then again, the Israeli delegation member did a terrible job proving his case. [tears out hair]
I agree, but it’s still important that it exists. Uppdrag Granskning are not without controversy.
@@LivsArkiv Sorry, what is Uppdrag Granskning? My Swedish isn't that good yet :)
@@randomamericansescreaction1590 Oh, Uppdrag Granskning is the name of an investigative journalism show on SVT, and this is today’s episode of that show.
@@LivsArkiv Of course! Haha förlåt
well considering it was for a tv show they could not include everything that happened..... and yet, maybe this segment should have included everything. A mini-series looking at all the issues that happened. It does lean much in favour of one side and yet, it is a start. Hopefully some brash Eurovision fan journalist will try to get more in depth stories because of this. As much as the EBU said there will be new rules in place and as much as many fans say the same as this TH-camr - not to make 2025 a repeat of 2024 - it still has that potential. The EBU/ESC is not known for its rigorous policy enforcement. They let one stage jumper crash Spain's performance and less than a decade later another was able to wrestle the mic away from Surie. How could a guy get that close to a performer?? What if he had a weapon in that backpack?? Where's the security in all this? So now we are to believe that things will be better next year?? Maybe if the countries send a bunch of neutral or pro-Israeli artists, but if any come out in opposition, I really have no expectations that drama will not happen behind the scenes. Then what of the fans in the arena?? They simply cannot tell people to clap only. The EBU is always tight lipped about everything - we still have no idea how that guy got a backpack past security in 2018 when the police were otherwise strictly enforcing the ban about big bags. I saw it in action myself. This is really part of the problem- there needs to be a public discussion and evaluation of events. The Facebook fan groups are still exploding with the information and misinformation that circulates and gets published, this video included. People just arent satisfied with the one-page press releases because they really say nothing and offer no closure. Should fans get over it and move on?? Sure but people are still salty about their favourite song not qualifying from over a decade ago... when will that ever happen for fans who feel like the EBU does not have the authority it claims?
Har du bakom kulisserna av Eurovision 2016? 🥹
I want to make it clear that this channel is non political, but some things to keep in mind while watching this:
* The treatment of Eden Golan was disgusting
* The treatment of Eric Saade was disgusting
* The treatment of journalists was disgusting
* The treatment of Eurovision fans was disgusting
* The amount of misinformation spread was disgusting
* SVT irresponsibly platformed the IsraelBreaksRules disinformation account, who openly admit to blocking people who correct their disinformation
* If you are at all interested in making 2025 a repeat of 2024, no matter what side of the political divide you’re on, please leave this fandom immediately
Du kanske skulle adderat: "The treatment from the Israeli delegation, commentators and media was wrong" också, annars så håller jag med dig
And for international reading this: "No one is lonely to blame for this mess that was ESC 2024, EBU fucked up, Israel and their delegation, media, commentators fucked up, SVT fucked up, journalists fucked up, almost everyone fucked it up this year.
The difference is that only some of those parts have taken responsibility for their actions, I´m still waiting for EBU and the Israeli delegation with all there members to do that also, the behaviour of the Israeli HoD in this interview is not ok by any means, NO ONE IS INNOCENT, that´s what made me angry after watcning this
So question - the translations of the KAN commentator's words during the postcards were not accurate? For example, what they said about Ukraine or what is in this video about UK / Olly Alexander?
@@elijahhawaii I don’t know, but they completely lied about the segment on Bambie Thug and translated an obvious joke into an insult in a dead serious tone (I can’t remember it verbatim, but the commentator said something along the lines of “prepare your spells with Bambie” and it was translated to something like “get ready to curse at Bambie”) , and they’ve lied about many many many things before that point too, in very questionable ways. I’ve been working on and off for months on a video on my main channel to debunk all their claims. However, they have deleted their account in response to backlash from this documentary which makes it impossible to verify.
@@LivsArkiv I appreciate the reply. I really find though that this video is in itself a bit of misinformation. For the fans and others involved we know the basics of all the controversy. The segment about the audience turning on the EBU and Martin Osterdahl made it seem like it was because of Israel in the final or if not that at least an undercurrent of anti-Israel sentiment. It totally leaves out that Joost was disqualified the day before and the fans in the arena were incensed at that. Just an FYI, I went to all three jury shows and all three live shows. I was present for all the booing, both at Eden and at Martin. I was right at the security tent at the entrance before the live final when the pro-Palestinian demonstrators tried to rush the entrance and the police had to push them back. I saw some things.
Kommer du ladda upp Fantasterna James Bond? :)
You can call it whatever you want; but personally I lost a lot of respect, if not all for KAN the moment they referred to Olly Alexander as "a hamas supporter". Crass, sad and pathetic.
Maybe an off topic comment, but do you have the shows for 2018 and 2019? You can link them here 😊
If they are geoblocked on the official Eurovision TH-cam channel, then you can use a VPN to access them. Otherwise, some national broadcasters have them posted, notably Norway's NRK TV but the commentary is of course all Norwegian.
Could you translate what that last written statement said closing out this mini-doc?
"The EBU did not want to be interviewed. In an email, a spokesperson says that they're working on new routines for next years' contest."
Thanks for the correction, I forgot that one. I’m adding it now.
The Polish reporter's moronic victim blaming question was shameful.
He has every right to ask that question.
@@msaone it's not her fault that she got death threats, which made things really fucking unsafe.
@@randomamericansescreaction1590 The Polish reporter is me.
You are entitled to your own opinion.
Bringing a song from the beginning with political intentions and the possibility of a potential threat from a side that previously attacked Israel (October 7th) brought a risk to all other participants from almost 40 countries. The demonstrations of thousands and extraordinary security measures are the best proof of that. Can't you see it?
The security was one of the main topics of discussion in the press center. The question was not to blame the person (Eden is a singer) but to try to find out what she thinks about it. The question had to be asked to a particular artist. By the way. I was also wished dead after that question.
He was very right with this question
@@szymonstellmaszyk It's not Eden's fault that the genocidal terrorist organization that murdered the most Jews in a single day since the holocaust would be "a potential threat" there.
By that logic, Jews shouldn't go outside and do anything due to being terrorist targets. The blame here is not Jewish and/or Israeli people wanting to do stuff but the fact that they need security measures (many of which were provided by their own country). Is it not fucked up that that is needed?
You shouldn't have received a death threat. You also could have phrased it in a way where you did NOT lay the blame at her feet.
A lot of Jewish people I know found this question to be victim blaming. I will give you the benefit of the doubt! But please listen to us as well for how it comes across.