Another fantastic presentation of the Eastern Front! Well done Woody. Bringing guests who speak with a depth of knowledge that is giving me a whole new aspect of the war I was unaware of. Thank you!
Douglas Nash's provides an interesting talk on a little known but very large battle. His command of the material is evident as he provides a running commentary of German film of one of the units involved in the operation. Just another great episode on the WW2TV Channel.
I"ve been binge-watching this stuff for the last week, glued to my screen. Channels like this one are very rare indeed sir, I know of about half a dozen high-quality TH-cam channels, and you're smack dab in that group! Keep up the good work, especially these niche-subjects! Regards, Thomas
It was without a doubt a very interesting talk by Mr Douglas Nash, do buy his books, they are worth every penny! Thanks off course WW2TV for this stream and keep up the good work.
Outstanding commentary by Mr. Nash and the host. Unreal amount of material that was hard to obtain and Mr. Nash does an excellent job of putting it all together.
Fantastic stuff ,hope your really growing in popularity with the level of guest speakers you have on hear ,its just amazing to watch ,the Herman Goring Pz Div. held the Russians in check at a place called Memel for a good few weeks .
Hero (thanks from a fellow cavalry officer) and author. Nash is one of best east front authors and provides great detail on the German operations. Buy his books. I do.
Thoroughly enjoyed this show , Doug is one of the current leading Historians on the Eastern Front and i can highly recommend his books , if you haven't got Hells Gate the Battle of the Cherkassy Pocket you are missing out on another masterpiece . Thanks to WWTV for another superb show .
PPS - I first read about this battle in a book titled "Hermann Goring: From Regiment to Fallschirmpanzerkorps" By Bender and Petersen, which was published in 1993. I read the book in the '90's. In those days you had to keep your ear to the ground so to speak and visit many bookstores, especially ones that featured history in general, and as well as ones that carried histories of German WW2 actions and units. Mr. Nash's book looks well worth checking out.
Fantastic video, gentlemen! Colonel Nash's encyclopedic knowledge is testament to his mastery of the primary sources. I can't recommend his books more highly.
Another fantastic video.... Extremely knowledgeable author and an excellently put together show! My reading has been heavily Ostfront-orientated but this fascinating action is still largely new to me. I suppose the Warsaw uprising draws a lot of attention away from it.
@@waynerobert7986 Thank you. Who did he surrender to? I know that Becker was shot by the Russians as a POW. I heard that he was caught with a grenade whilst doing forced labour.
I was born and live in area od this battle, this was great. Forests are still peppered with places where foxholes was, and my village (Stanislawow) was almost totally burned I feel there isn't awareness in popular memory on area how big and important battle it was. It is more "and then frontline come, and there was uprising im Warsaw".
Wow I bet that's well interesting, when I was a child I lived on the edge of the battle area for ww2 in norfolk. Its what spiked my interest in ww2 and finally joining the army.
Yet another excellent episode with great detail from a very knowledgeable presenter. It took a while for me to find further reference to this little known battle (as Doug says its known by different names) but found it - The Battle of Radzymin.
Field marshal Model was portrayed completely wrong in 'A Bridge Too Far'. He was certainly never in any danger of being captured, the filmmakers even got his headquarters wrong.
This is getting ahead of ourselves regarding these battles outside of Warsaw, but I would love to know about the German Heer's Cavalry Korp's contribution to the Konrad offensives trying to relieve Budapest. My grandfather was an old horse cavalryman in the US Army, pre Great War and parts of that war. I'm a geezer now and I've found it's difficult to get info on German Heer Cavalry, from 1943 on. Any information would be greatly appreciated, thank you!
Unfortunately the maps were too small, making it difficult to follow the presentation (a laser pointer?); fortunately, I'm familiar with Poland, Operation Bagration, and Rokossovky's role in that operation so I was able to approximate what occurred. The photos and videos were amazing! I was unaware of this German counterstroke and will order Doug's book asap, I'm looking forward to the additional volumes in this series. I guess at this point this is a rhetorical question... I think there were 2 Polish factions operating in Poland at the time, one was pro-Western and the other pro-Russian. Did this come into play and if so how? Thanks Paul.
It is pretty cool. Brutal & horrific for those taking part, though. I had no real knowledge of these battles. It is great to hear these events described by someone with so much knowledge and an obvious passion for the subject.
Basically I'm wondering was it basically gorilla war in eastern Poland during the eastern advance of Germany or just a slaughter since Russian and German soldiers were allied at the time ?
Some comments. It is proper to specify the surname because Christian name can belong to anybody. You are mentioning new general of 2 Panzer Army: Aleksiej. His surname was Radzijevski. He replaced injured general Siemion Bogdanov. Most common Polish name of the panzer battle east of Warsaw is battle of Wolomin. Sometime names battle of Radzymin or of Okuniew are also used. It started on 27th of July at about 11:00 south east of town of Garwolin. Soviet 5 mechanized regiment was moving swiftly along main Lublin - Warsaw road and was intending to enter this small town without any reconnaissance, when 2 leading tanks were suddenly hit. Hits came from 1 battalion of 175 grenadier regiment from 75 infantry division. Very soon 5 regiment was in serious trouble, unable to continue further attack. Garwolin fell after 2 weeks of bitter fighting. Village of Okuniew in the centre of the battle changed hands 15 times ( even 17 according to some sources ) before it finally fell into German hands. Polish Home Army was unable to capture bridges in Warsaw due to its weakness and lack of heavy weapons. About 50000 insurgents were equipped only with insufficient number of hand guns and grenades and very few decent machine guns. However they managed to block most important rail route in the centre of Warsaw until 5th of October. All bridges were blown up by Germans on 13th of September. Besides there was no will to cooperate. Polish exile government in London and Stalin were in very bad relations. Home Army planned to capture Warsaw without Soviet help and to greet them in liberated city. Polish prime minister Mikolajczyk visited Moscow several times in July and August. Stalin was demanding swift recognition of his puppet Polish "Lublin" government and was becoming more aggressive every meeting. He even called insurgents in Warsaw bandits, worse than Nazis. Entire issue is very complicated and there are many contrary opinions, but one thing is for sure - there was no cooperation whatsoever between Polish authorities in exile and Stalin. There is a very detailed film on you tube on this panzer battle: "Bitwy Swiata - Bitwa pod Warszawa 1944 r" by Martinn. It is certainly the best one on you tube as it animates precisely movements of all Soviet and German units with numbers of regiments specified. Unfortunately it is in Polish only but contains a lot of original photos and films.
We all know west Poland was occupied by Germany eastern Poland was occupied by Soviet Russia, when operation Barbarossa started would it not have started in eastern Poland?
Eastern Poland was actually today's Western Ukraine. These were the territories annexed from Russia as a result of the Soviet-Polish war of 1920. The problem with these territories for the Poles was that there were very few true Poles living on them - mainly, the top elites. They were populated by Ukrainians and Jews. By the way, in 1944 there was a big problem for the Polish Home Army there because Ukrainian nationalists with the active help of Germans undermined, in fact, the powerbase of the Home Army there - around Lvov (or Lviv, or Lemberg).
60:00- perfect info: Rokssovski could have taken Warsaw if he had been informed by Resistance/AK_Home ARmy on July 27, AD 1944. I (my family) live in the area; my father was a Resistance member: a vodka@personal friendship decided about life and death for both Germans and villagers - your dumb State law does not work: a hit man (of Resistance) with a Colt arrived and Police tried to check his ID, and of course, a fire battle would have started all Germana killed@then retribution: the massacre of a stubborn village who does not obey a Law! My father told them: "You don't see him unless you want to be alive"; they ..departed. Do you (morons) understand? ps. the plan of Resistance was O,k if the the attack was coordinated by both: Resistance and Russians; it did not happen.A few days of fighting would liberate the City instead...of 2 months of slaughter.
It wasn't guaranteed. Actually, after the huge jackpot of Bagration the Soviets operated near Warsaw with only one their tank army which were commanded then by General Radsievskiy (surprise: he was ethnic Pole). He had very few mobile infantry and no heavy artillery (in fact, the absence of mobile heavy artillery plagued the Russians for the whole war). And when Germans finally moved their reserves to Warsaw (especially, Wiking Panzer Division), then trying moving ahead was unrealistic and even more - catastrophic. And considering Soviet actions near Warsaw just think about simple numbers. The usual depth of a successful strategic operation then was 200-300 km. Bagration was really a huge jackpot: its depth was 500 km until the Soviets came to the rivers Vistula and Narev. But wonders don't exist: for moving further they need another strategic operation, and they had to move their rears, supplies, munitions, replenish troops, tanks and all that. So they tried to get to Warsaw by their mobile troops, clashed with German reserves and retreated.
As for missing coordination between Home Army and the Soviets. It wasn't a mistake, it was a fully conscientious decision. The crux of the policy of the Polish emigre government and hence the Home Army was to wedge themselves between the retreating Germans and advancing Russians - and to declare themselves as the legal power. Because of that the Home Army leaders had no intention for not only coordinating their actions with Russians but even simply forewarning them. Their mistake was they didn't have reliable information about the situation around Warsaw and believed that Germans were already beaten. But when something went wrong they began demanding help from Stalin and blaming him.
Nash is a legend, buy his books!
Another fantastic presentation of the Eastern Front! Well done Woody. Bringing guests who speak with a depth of knowledge that is giving me a whole new aspect of the war I was unaware of. Thank you!
Douglas Nash's provides an interesting talk on a little known but very large battle. His command of the material is evident as he provides a running commentary of German film of one of the units involved in the operation. Just another great episode on the WW2TV Channel.
Thanks Tim
I"ve been binge-watching this stuff for the last week, glued to my screen. Channels like this one are very rare indeed sir, I know of about half a dozen high-quality TH-cam channels, and you're smack dab in that group! Keep up the good work, especially these niche-subjects!
Regards,
Thomas
Welcome aboard and thanks for the nice words
It was without a doubt a very interesting talk by Mr Douglas Nash, do buy his books, they are worth every penny!
Thanks off course WW2TV for this stream and keep up the good work.
Outstanding commentary by Mr. Nash and the host. Unreal amount of material that was hard to obtain and Mr. Nash does an excellent job of putting it all together.
Thanks, and hopefully you'll stick with our channel - we have lots more shows coming up and a growing back catalogue
Fantastic stuff ,hope your really growing in popularity with the level of guest speakers you have on hear ,its just amazing to watch ,the Herman Goring Pz Div. held the Russians in check at a place called Memel for a good few weeks .
Thanks Mark
Paul your channel is fantastic.i wish this was available 30 years ago.your guests are amazing
Thank you William. It's a lot of work and we are not yet getting the views the guests deserve, but it's fun to do
Hero (thanks from a fellow cavalry officer) and author. Nash is one of best east front authors and provides great detail on the German operations. Buy his books. I do.
Outstanding presentation.
Thank you guys this was riviting i was on the edge of my seat. Thank you really enjoyed this .
Awesome interview.!!!!....I just brought your book on Kindle....thanks for your efforts on this forgotten corner of history
Thoroughly enjoyed this show , Doug is one of the current leading Historians on the Eastern Front and i can highly recommend his books , if you haven't got Hells Gate the Battle of the Cherkassy Pocket you are missing out on another masterpiece . Thanks to WWTV for another superb show .
I have that book a superb read that puts the reader in the middle of the action
PPS - I first read about this battle in a book titled "Hermann Goring: From Regiment to Fallschirmpanzerkorps" By Bender and Petersen, which was published in 1993. I read the book in the '90's. In those days you had to keep your ear to the ground so to speak and visit many bookstores, especially ones that featured history in general, and as well as ones that carried histories of German WW2 actions and units. Mr. Nash's book looks well worth checking out.
Peaked my interest to dive into this fascinating part of the war.
Thank you for this great lecture. Wow.. Model was a very impressive commander.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic video, gentlemen! Colonel Nash's encyclopedic knowledge is testament to his mastery of the primary sources. I can't recommend his books more highly.
Thanks for that!
Not lost for words but I am now . All I can say is wow wow . Thank you gentlemen for a great history lesson .
Another fantastic video.... Extremely knowledgeable author and an excellently put together show! My reading has been heavily Ostfront-orientated but this fascinating action is still largely new to me. I suppose the Warsaw uprising draws a lot of attention away from it.
Excellent presentation by a really great author. Thnk you.
AMAZING !! Thank you!!
Very well done.
Thanks, yep Douglas is great
@@WW2TV I own his two books related to this battle and the actions in 1945 Hungary. I need to find out what happened to Gille after the war.
@@waynerobert7986 Thank you. Who did he surrender to? I know that Becker was shot by the Russians as a POW. I heard that he was caught with a grenade whilst doing forced labour.
@@waynerobert7986 Thank you for the information.
Great guest that taught me alot!
I was born and live in area od this battle, this was great. Forests are still peppered with places where foxholes was, and my village (Stanislawow) was almost totally burned I feel there isn't awareness in popular memory on area how big and important battle it was. It is more "and then frontline come, and there was uprising im Warsaw".
Wow I bet that's well interesting, when I was a child I lived on the edge of the battle area for ww2 in norfolk. Its what spiked my interest in ww2 and finally joining the army.
Very Impressive, Thank You!
What a fascinating talk! I've bought all three of Douglas's books. I'm excited to find out more about these mostly forgotten battles.
A fine presentation you need to do one of the Battle of Debrecen in Hungary in the fall of 1944
Yet another excellent episode with great detail from a very knowledgeable presenter. It took a while for me to find further reference to this little known battle (as Doug says its known by different names) but found it - The Battle of Radzymin.
Interesting and informative.
Thank you very interesting learned a lot.
5th SS is my study , TY ; Doug . !
Where can I get one of them JS tanks for my garden?
Field marshal Model was portrayed completely wrong in 'A Bridge Too Far'. He was certainly never in any danger of being captured, the filmmakers even got his headquarters wrong.
This is getting ahead of ourselves regarding these battles outside of Warsaw, but I would love to know about the German Heer's Cavalry Korp's contribution to the Konrad offensives trying to relieve Budapest. My grandfather was an old horse cavalryman in the US Army, pre Great War and parts of that war. I'm a geezer now and I've found it's difficult to get info on German Heer Cavalry, from 1943 on. Any information would be greatly appreciated, thank you!
Often small unit actions that save the day are overlooked and smothered underneath the big picture.
Eastern front, always interesting, Poland always +1
Unfortunately the maps were too small, making it difficult to follow the presentation (a laser pointer?); fortunately, I'm familiar with Poland, Operation Bagration, and Rokossovky's role in that operation so I was able to approximate what occurred. The photos and videos were amazing! I was unaware of this German counterstroke and will order Doug's book asap, I'm looking forward to the additional volumes in this series. I guess at this point this is a rhetorical question...
I think there were 2 Polish factions operating in Poland at the time, one was pro-Western and the other pro-Russian. Did this come into play and if so how? Thanks Paul.
It is pretty cool. Brutal & horrific for those taking part, though. I had no real knowledge of these battles. It is great to hear these events described by someone with so much knowledge and an obvious passion for the subject.
Picture 22 is of 12.SS Panzer Division.
By golly, you're right!
Excelente entrevista,recheado de ótimos detalhes,parabens pelo conteudo.
The Germans kicked a lot of ass in Hungary during October 1944. Especially during the battle of Debrecen
They did, but you word it in such a way that it sounds like a good thing, which of course it wasn't
@@WW2TV
Whatever man. Excuse me for contributing to the history. lol
@@Wilson7092-u4n no worries, thanks for joining in. It was just an odd way of putting it, especially because we're talking about the SS
The cupboard was bare by now. 1:09:53
Basically I'm wondering was it basically gorilla war in eastern Poland during the eastern advance of Germany or just a slaughter since Russian and German soldiers were allied at the time ?
I don't know
Some comments. It is proper to specify the surname because Christian name can belong to anybody. You are mentioning new general of 2 Panzer Army: Aleksiej. His surname was Radzijevski. He replaced injured general Siemion Bogdanov. Most common Polish name of the panzer battle east of Warsaw is battle of Wolomin. Sometime names battle of Radzymin or of Okuniew are also used. It started on 27th of July at about 11:00 south east of town of Garwolin. Soviet 5 mechanized regiment was moving swiftly along main Lublin - Warsaw road and was intending to enter this small town without any reconnaissance, when 2 leading tanks were suddenly hit. Hits came from 1 battalion of 175 grenadier regiment from 75 infantry division. Very soon 5 regiment was in serious trouble, unable to continue further attack. Garwolin fell after 2 weeks of bitter fighting. Village of Okuniew in the centre of the battle changed hands 15 times ( even 17 according to some sources ) before it finally fell into German hands.
Polish Home Army was unable to capture bridges in Warsaw due to its weakness and lack of heavy weapons. About 50000 insurgents were equipped only with insufficient number of hand guns and grenades and very few decent machine guns. However they managed to block most important rail route in the centre of Warsaw until 5th of October. All bridges were blown up by Germans on 13th of September.
Besides there was no will to cooperate. Polish exile government in London and Stalin were in very bad relations. Home Army planned to capture Warsaw without Soviet help and to greet them in liberated city. Polish prime minister Mikolajczyk visited Moscow several times in July and August. Stalin was demanding swift recognition of his puppet Polish "Lublin" government and was becoming more aggressive every meeting. He even called insurgents in Warsaw bandits, worse than Nazis. Entire issue is very complicated and there are many contrary opinions, but one thing is for sure - there was no cooperation whatsoever between Polish authorities in exile and Stalin.
There is a very detailed film on you tube on this panzer battle: "Bitwy Swiata - Bitwa pod Warszawa 1944 r" by Martinn. It is certainly the best one on you tube as it animates precisely movements of all Soviet and German units with numbers of regiments specified. Unfortunately it is in Polish only but contains a lot of original photos and films.
Ps- Sorry, just want to say that the Bundesarchiv in Germany is a great resource. But you have to be able to read German.
This is th battle of OKUNIEW.
We all know west Poland was occupied by Germany eastern Poland was occupied by Soviet Russia, when operation Barbarossa started would it not have started in eastern Poland?
Eastern Poland was actually today's Western Ukraine. These were the territories annexed from Russia as a result of the Soviet-Polish war of 1920. The problem with these territories for the Poles was that there were very few true Poles living on them - mainly, the top elites. They were populated by Ukrainians and Jews. By the way, in 1944 there was a big problem for the Polish Home Army there because Ukrainian nationalists with the active help of Germans undermined, in fact, the powerbase of the Home Army there - around Lvov (or Lviv, or Lemberg).
So Much for Hitler's decisions.
First 10 minutes is useless yapping.
So skip it, easily sorted
_Close Combat Last Stand Arnhem_ has a mod named " *Radzymin44* " exactly about this important Battle
60:00- perfect info: Rokssovski could have taken Warsaw if he had been informed by Resistance/AK_Home ARmy on July 27, AD 1944. I (my family) live in the area; my father was a Resistance member: a vodka@personal friendship decided about life and death for both Germans and villagers - your dumb State law does not work: a hit man (of Resistance) with a Colt arrived and Police tried to check his ID, and of course, a fire battle would have started all Germana killed@then retribution: the massacre of a stubborn village who does not obey a Law! My father told them: "You don't see him unless you want to be alive"; they ..departed. Do you (morons) understand? ps. the plan of Resistance was O,k if the the attack was coordinated by both: Resistance and Russians; it did not happen.A few days of fighting would liberate the City instead...of 2 months of slaughter.
It wasn't guaranteed. Actually, after the huge jackpot of Bagration the Soviets operated near Warsaw with only one their tank army which were commanded then by General Radsievskiy (surprise: he was ethnic Pole). He had very few mobile infantry and no heavy artillery (in fact, the absence of mobile heavy artillery plagued the Russians for the whole war). And when Germans finally moved their reserves to Warsaw (especially, Wiking Panzer Division), then trying moving ahead was unrealistic and even more - catastrophic. And considering Soviet actions near Warsaw just think about simple numbers. The usual depth of a successful strategic operation then was 200-300 km. Bagration was really a huge jackpot: its depth was 500 km until the Soviets came to the rivers Vistula and Narev. But wonders don't exist: for moving further they need another strategic operation, and they had to move their rears, supplies, munitions, replenish troops, tanks and all that. So they tried to get to Warsaw by their mobile troops, clashed with German reserves and retreated.
As for missing coordination between Home Army and the Soviets. It wasn't a mistake, it was a fully conscientious decision. The crux of the policy of the Polish emigre government and hence the Home Army was to wedge themselves between the retreating Germans and advancing Russians - and to declare themselves as the legal power. Because of that the Home Army leaders had no intention for not only coordinating their actions with Russians but even simply forewarning them. Their mistake was they didn't have reliable information about the situation around Warsaw and believed that Germans were already beaten. But when something went wrong they began demanding help from Stalin and blaming him.