I feel like even though I mentioned it in the video, it’s important to say there are other differences between these devices and this is an EXTREMELY, oversimplified view of their similarities/differences. If you want in-depth hardware reviews, check out @nascompares as he breaks down everything and provides all the details necessary to understand each device. They’re also not “bad” devices, but we should see a refreshed lineup within the next year or so and it might make sense to wait - especially if you’re paying full price now.
@@Ultrajamz I have no idea to be honest, but I am thinking that by ~October or so, there should be some sort of announcement. The issue is, what will it be? 4 bay? 6 bay? The 16/18/22 lineup should probably be refreshed first, but the 4-bay units used to be released every 2 years (916/918/920/...923?) so we will see.
@@WunderTechTutorials Normally they sale NAs models every 2 oy 3 years so I understand the frustration, but they are stucked from 10 years in the same business model and I don't think they will improve it
I've been holding off upgrading my DS718 because I'm not impressed with the current Synology hardware options. I'm very pleased with Synology DSM. Synology needs to update hardware offerings before they start losing customers.
A lot of people seem to hold on to their 718+/918+ NAS'es (I am still with my 918+), to me it feels it was the last really innovatie line Synology released.
My perspective on this is that Synology simply doesn't care as much about the home user as they used to. You can see this in the software they choose to focus on as well. Enterprise is where they make the money. Can't fault them for trying to make more. It sucks and I hope I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything to suggest I am since atleast October, 2020. Personally, I'll give it a couple years for some other company's software to catch up then relegate my 920+ to an offsite backup.
I'm done with Synology. The main reason for me was that they still have 1GBE as standard. That annoyed me. Especially since the devices are not cheap. Last year I decided to try Terramaster. And I'm thrilled. I have the T6-423 and have installed Truenas Scale. Plus 32GB RAM and 2 SSD. Very fast, stable and very quiet because almost everything is made of solid metal. And in the standard 2.5GBE. Synology's DSM is certainly easier to use, but the hardware is crap. I am very happy that Ugreen has now been added. Good for us private users. In six months I will take another look at Ugreen's software. The hardware is top.
A major miss is that it is known that future Synology NAS devices will prefer to a fault ... their own hard drives, to the point where pop ups for 'incompatible hardware' are happening for recent buyers of Synology machines. Proprietary is coming, so if you can buy an older unit ... you may be better off, if you have issues with that kind of a reality.
I have helped with a few different NAS setups for family and friends and tried a few brands and models. I'm still convinced that Synology beats everyone by a million miles with their software. It's easy to use and intuitive, unlike pretty much everything else. I have a Synology myself. It's solid and reliable. That's all you should care about. Try anything else, and you will end up spending much of your time and money on what could be a one-time setup-and-forget job. You are not just paying for hardware, it's also the software.
After 3 generations of synology I'm now building my own. Gigabit and ancient cpu's just don't cut it anymore. I'm sure I can get OwnCloud up and running on m y homebuilt NAS and get the same functionality.
I was a NetGear ReadyNAS user for many years. I moved to Synology when NetGear stopped making them. I still has an old ReadyNAS at home, but at work we have Synology NASs throughout for backup, storage and for our virtualization storage. My biggest gripe is the STUPID restriction on hard drives. The "Synology" HDDS that they will try to sell you are more expensive than off-the-shelf HDDs and are actually nothing more than rebranded Toshiba Enterprise drives with custom Synology firmware. What really gets my goat is if you buy Synology-branded HDDs for your Synology NAS and want to upgrade and repurpose the Synology HDDs for another device, then you will sit with a bricked HDD. Synology-branded HDDs only work on Synology devices. I told them to shove their Synology HDDs and went out and purchased Toshiba Enterprise drives that are cheaper and I can use them in other non-Synology NASs or devices.
I use the DS1621+, I loaded it with a 10gb card, 32gb ram, and 2TB SSD cache. It's been rock solid since day one. I use a combo of WD and Seagate NAS drives, and over the years had no issues. I don't like the direction Synology is going with prefered drives and the warnings for not using the prefered drives. So far I haven't experienced any warnings, but the news about it is a huge turn off if I ever want to upgrade to another Synology machine.
I have similar. 1621+, 10Gb card, 32gb ram, but no SSDs. Don't need em. I had moved up from a 415+. I prefer Seagate Iron Wolf drives now over WD red since WD pulled the SMR thing. Yeah, Synology doesn't seem to care much about the home user.
I think you are spot on! Synology is one of the most conservative companies out there and it seems to me the the changes in future models will be incremental at best. i also think we will not see 2.5gb nics as a standard, not just yet. Excellent video, i tend to think you are predicting it correctly.
Still very happy with my synology. And looking at prices for as ( and the hdd's)....there is no need to release a million types. The speed over the network is still very good. I use it to digitize and stream my blu-rays.
Rather than trying to build out a software suite from scratch, I wonder why some of the other NAS manufacturers don’t take something like TrueNas and build on that to make it more consumer friendly?
DANG YOU! I am still prepping to buy my FIRST NAS from Synology and all you did was throw another wrench in my research and concerns as a newb. Grrrrrr...
While I appreciate my Synology 720+, the reality is that it's noisy, cost a lot to get running and a lot of hardware overhead for basically a slow file server. My next NAS is likely to be all NVME and based on boards you can buy for $100-$200. I can run Proxmox on legacy hardware and get all the services DSM is offering other than the file server, and the file server I just want it be fast and silent. Synology can't really offer that at this point. Their business model is being undercut by more nimble competitors at least in the home lab space.
Thanks for the contribution. I have therefore decided in favor of Ugreen. Very disappointing that such a big company uses outdated hardware and sells it as a new model.
Been a synology user for 20 years. Dumped em last year. Never again. They’re not consumer or enthusiast friendly. $650 for their 20TB drive and not support for 3rd party greater than 16TB. Utter nonsense. Low end cpus, $100 for 16GB supported sodimms, only can use their nvmes for SSDs. Absolutely garbage. F synology.
I own an OLD DS213J ... I wanted to replace this aged NAS. Looking at the current model for the 2-4 bays the J / Value / Plus series. And those models still use a outdated CPU /parts for that price range when other NAS makers have included a more powerful CPU, 2.5Gbps port(s). This makes me want to jump ships to other Brands. What makes me hold on to Synology is due to their simple-to-use interface. Their simple SHR Raid for simple Home users. I'm interested in the Ugrreen NAS as well, But I did not join their Kickstarter. I do not know how good are their UGOS. Hence I'm still holding back for an Upgrade.
i paid 240.00 for the 224+ and paid 24.00 for 16GB upgrade. I just need basic cloud stuff , photo syncing. Unraid does plex, and true nas does iscsi , in a 24 bay supermicros or 36 bay supermicros
They have to respond somehow to the competition. They can't stay forever relying on their DSM. It's like one of your legs to be longer then the other. If not, when competitors released a stable OS everyone will move to them. And they hopefully know that very well.
I'm still on a DS418 play and this will be my last Synology NAS. I hope guys like UGreen make it to compete and only the software experience is securing Synology sales at this point. The moment someone else has a stable, user friendly OS, Synology is in trouble. They would need to release better hardware at a lower cost to remain competitive, which I think will be a tough ask.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. I am still rocking a couple of 11 year old 2413+ units with 4gb of memory and Atom D2700's. I just dont understand the 1gb network interfaces on new units. I honestly think that they all should come with 10gb and nothing less. What is the point of having a 2000hp twin turbo all the bald eagles for power yet only 1gb or even 2.5gb network interfaces. My 11 year old units with hard drives from the same era, will still completely saturate both 1gb network interfaces. If my 11 year unit can saturate the 1gb and the brand new units only have 1gb networking - why the hell should I upgrade? If I need a performance upgrade, I need 10gb and I need enough horsepower on the NAS to fully saturate that connection. The trouble is that many/most new units, even with 10gb, don't have the power to saturate the connection in the real world when formatted and in production. Not only do I have to check for native 10gb but I have to research it to make certain that it can actually use it. Ugh.
They will never change, once you taste the mercenary tactic you never go back, is like crack you always need more, but I want to thank them, because if was not for them probably I will never had the opportunity of buying a Ugreen NAS that is a fantastic machine, so in the end theirs strategy has open the door for new products on the market that if wasn't that probably will never see the light of day.
I know that my 920+ won't last forever and I also have a QNAP to hedge my bets. But, I would like to have a new Synology model with a good fast Intel processor that will take Seagate or WD drives. Until that appears, I'll hang on to my money. Thanks as always Frank. Very much appreciated.
2.5GbE switching is an absolute nightmare, especially if you buy 10GbE switches and plug in 2.5GbE. You get worse average performance than 1GbE and I think that’s why most consumer products (home appliances, like Synology, but also laptops and the such) are still shipping with 1GbE NICs
Synology sells as we know due to the software stack, plus the reliability aspect. Playing devil's advocate - maybe they're using procs because they know how to cool them properly and therefore ensure the product survives longer term (my opinion). Throwing SFP+ ports (as 10GbE RJ45 is not widely supported) causes more heat etc. As I said, devil's advocate (I've got a 2.5GbE USB in my 920+ which annoys me I have to go community to get a driver).
I am coming from an older Synology NAS. It was past time to upgrade so I started looking at Synology to stay in rhe family, but was very disappointed with the current offerings. Ended up with one of the new Terramaster models and I am very happy with it.
I've found DSM (and it's really ancient Docker / Docker Compose version) very limiting for what I want to do application wise, but I've decided the better way to go is probably a mini-PC like the Minisforum MS-01 running Proxmox and using that to run a VM with Docker and your applications on it, and using the NAS for JUST storage. DSM is fine in that regard. I think my next NAS will still probably be something with TrueNAS Scale and ZFS, but whether that's DIY or something like a 45Drives HL15 if I can make room for a rack remains to be seen.
Ubuntu Server is all you need. I run a Server as a web server and with 12TB of storage. It's been running for 3 years now, without any issues and it's free. The only cost were the 3 hard drives.
I for a long time was waiting for Synology to update their lineup because I wanted a general nas and media server.... then they moved to cpus that didn't have transcoding features...so I built a TrueNAS SCALE server instead... haven't really looked at Synology since
Synology is a software company working within the limits of hardware that must be cheap and reliable enough to make a decent profit from. Hopefully this doesn't mean another generation of 1Gbit ports, but it will depend on cost and reliability again.
I don't think reliability would suffer if they chose to offer a real upgrade. They just love selling as little hw for as much $ as possible, and they've been pushing the envelope in this regard for years and gotten away with it. Frankly, if they f*ng burn, I'll be actually enjoying it, and fanning the flames.
Storage based operations dont need to be a powerhouse, NAS CPU decisions should always be going toward the safe and secure hardware. i was glad they went for ECC. give me 4+ year old hardware with higher MTBF and the support of the OEM them all day.
I have a DS920+ and I won't upgrade any time soon. Synology plays with their customers because they know they are the king of NAS but their hegemony is starting to end. Let's see if Synology open their eyes once and for all and start to really give their customers a good balance between hardware and price without: - forcing users to buy their HDD's; - stop trying to make users buy their truly expensive memory modules; - stop with the "supposed" memory limit (that we already know that can go further); - increase the number of free camera licenses; - Improve their ALL apps to Android (idk about IOS) and GoogleTV, mainly their DS Audio which is really terrible! because we already have to spend a LOT in a NAS + HDD's. Ugreen is a Chinese company and we all know what is going to happen. They will strike with all the power they have, and I'm convinced that they will focus heavily on dethroning the DSM. DSM is really good but if they think that it alone will "save" them, they are completely wrong!
In fact, many companies in China have begun to encroach on Synology's market, in addition to Ugreen NAS, there is also Polar Space NAS, which is more popular, and its influence in the Chinese market is slowly growing. Synology is running out of time to lie down and make money. www.google.com.hk/search?q=%E6%9E%81%E7%A9%BA%E9%97%B4
I still have an 1815 that works perfectly fine..... i have an 1821+ works perfect... why do you need more cpu for home users? the end point devies ( on tv side ) all have hardware for decoding, you are literlaly only sending data back and forth not encoding or decoding if you are doing it right.
Mainly that the 1821+ was announced in late 2020 and released in early 2021. Back then and even today, it's a great device based on your needs, but in 2-3 years the device will be 5+ years old if you buy it today. There just comes a point where waiting for a new model makes sense and in my opinion, that's right now.
I left Synology when they discontinued my box. They promissed link aggregation on my model, and the options seem to be there, but it just won't work. So I was stuck with 1Gbps. Their CPUs and prices are a joke!
I'm not so sure they have one more opportunity to skate through an incremental upgrade. This is their moment to bust through the competition or add to the noise. Not to change the subject but in the US the two cameras are out of stock everywhere. There was a third camera mentioned that is nowhere to be found. No one is talking about this issue. Are they fixing a flaw, new version coming out or supply issues? At this point supply issues would feel like a useless talking point. Any thoughts?
I love DSM software, honestly it's unmatched by anyone else. However, their hardware is extremely bad. To have a cpu from 2019 into a 2024 device is just crazy to me. That's why we need more people in the space. I want to see other Nas companies eating Synology lunch so they wake up. Imagine if Samsung put a 4 years old cpu.. No one in their mind would buy it.
Interesting to see all the people who speak about outdated harware and performance issue. I have myself choosen a ds1520+ and I'm delighted. This NAS is perfect for me. I have chose it even knowing the Ds1522+ was out because of the transcoding (i agree it is a shame the new one don't have it). But the software is so so good. Stability Easy backups Docker Reverse proxy Synology drive with sync on demande (if you don't use it try) Synology photo is very good in my opinion I monitor my power consumption and it's around 40w with 4Hdd The CPU is around 12% during normal use (i'm a small user) but it run around 20 containers And use 4go of ram. I for my self will not take an other brand unless I have very good reason. Also the security is I think something they take seriously. Mine is open on the internet and i never had any problem (with minimal exposure and firewall plus reverse proxy and geo ip restrictions). I don't say the video don't point true synology hardware flows but there is other points than raw power to consider. It's only my opinion 😮
I just upgraded my DS1019+ to a DS1522+ because I needed its 10 Gbit/s upgrade option, and I doubt we'll see a new 5-bay model this year, so general advice against buying ANY Synology NAS today seems inappropriate. It depends on how many bays and which features you want, and when the corresponding model was last updated.
The old hardware is why I’m going from my 5 year old synology to UGreen. I don’t use most of the synology software so I figure it’s worth the try for a predominantly PLEX server.
Great video - based on your overview here I just cancelled an Amazon order I had for a DS923+ as I'd rather wait for an improved hardware profile from the device. I'm very interested to look at comparative devices on the market (my workload constitutes running ***arr platforms, Plex (w/o hw transcoding) and Docker containers), so will be checking the rest of your videos to see what your comparative options are in this space - thanks!
I disagree with your statement that you often fail in your explanations, unless this video was an extreme outlier. It was totally consumable by someone with a modicum of knowledge of computers, networking, NAS drives and information processing. Thanks. Subscribed. ✅
Wow, were all of you still thinking they pay for good hardware? Really? Pretty expensive hardware then! With Synology you pay for the whole ease-of-use managed software with 'good-enough' hardware to use it. If you don't know linux, don't want to configure everything yourself, are not an IT nerd, don't want to keep an eye on updates/patches, don't want to configure your own security but you do want to run a big fileserver, a mediaserver, connect it to the internet with vpn, run home assistant on it, make auto-backups of all your devices, synchronize your cloud-accounts, run your own website, easy replace faulty disk, easy migrate to bigger disks or new model every 5 years and feel relatively safe by the security / managed software/updates provided by the solution (software+hardware) then I feel Synology is for me still the best choice! For 95% I have no clue how it is running/working, don't see consoles/commandlines. I am just using the thing like I use a television or a washing-machine.
I have DS712+ and DS420+. I only use these for file storage and perhaps the odd web station to make some files available over HTTP. I really want a Syno that has ZFS, but that's probably not going to happen unless I do an iSCSI target. (Or I go back to home-built NAS.) Nothing faster than Gig-E for me until 10Gbps is affordable (anything that can't be managed via console is a big no-no).
I bought a 920+ when the 923 came out because of the reduced home user functionality. Now video station and codecs have gone my next NAS is unlikely to be Synology.
I see the value in DSM, especially the reliability of managing data. I care less about the CPU and more about being on supported hardware, so I can get the better features. As pure NAS I appreciate their engineering. I think the capability of the homeowner hardware is potentially lacking when the use case leans towards turning your NAS into a platform for virtualization. But you can still execute on a small scale, at least.
Has any home user managed to get quick connect to work seamlessly after broadband band router changes? I am having a tough time setting it up so i can use it as private cloud to be honest. Any useful tips would be greatly appreciated. I don’t have static ip address.
I was going to upgrade my DS920+ to a 923+ but the cpu without gpu transcoding left me staying with my 920+. I have my security cameras running on my NAS and didn't want them to not record when the 923+ went to 100% transcoding a movie and pausing every other non transcode action. I will again stay with my 920+ if the 925+ or 926+ NAS comes out with no graphics or an inferior AMD cpu with graphics compared to what I now have.
Thanks for the video. I have a DS418 which has a Realtek processor according to Synology. Is this good? As a home user and amateur photographer it’s mainly to store my photos, videos and documents. I have 4x2tb WD Reds installed and configured automatically by the unit for around 5.6tb. I’m running out of space and am considering a second NAS. Should I stick with the DS418? If not which would you recommend? I’m travelling to Europe and I am looking at my options to back up my photos. One is to simply use iCloud. I have 200 GB of storage. Or I can set the NAS up as a form of cloud storage. I’m currently looking at how to do that. It’ll be accessed by my iPad and iPhone. What are your views on this? Thanks.
It really depends on what you're using the device for. I wouldn't focus on hardware specs, but more on usability. Are you happy with it? Running into any issues? Want more? If you haven't had any of those thoughts, it's probably working well!
@@WunderTechTutorials thanks for replying. I'm happy with the NAS that I have. However, I've yet to see what is comparable out there. My "use case" is simply storage for our media (video, photos, etc.) and to stream the videos to Apple TVs. It's just that I'm running out of disk space. It has 4x2tb drives. Can I replace them via hotswapping with larger drives, say, do one at a time until all 4 new drives are installed?
@@WunderTechTutorials thanks, I give that a go, then. One of the NAS channels suggested avoiding WD Reds. Which disk drives do you recommend? I have WD Reds in mine at present and 3 or so years later, no failures (yet).
@@mjpt57 As long as the WD Red drive is CMR (check before buying), it's fine IMO. Just make sure it's CMR and not SMR, and a decent price/TB, but if price wasn't an object, I'd go with IronWolf drives.
I don't buy anything now which doesn't have a 2.5Gb Nic, nor a processor older than something like an N100, and I'm expecting a new Nas like that, but hey, this is Synology, they lag far behind Asustor, or Terra-Master. Also, look at the base OS, they, and some others, use very outdated Linux kernels.
Love my 1823vs, feels so much snappier than 1821+... but sucks with thermal and no transcoding. If I add another synology, it will be 12 bay....or dva model for surveilance.
I'm on the fence as to whether to get the 6 bay or 8 bay when they come to the non-kickstarter consumers in early July. Looking forward to the reviews.
The software on Synology Nas is the critical reason I use their products. This is where other companies can't compete with Synology. Even Ugreen's products is a no go for me seeing the operating system looking abysmal. Qnaps has been a contender as an alternative, but it feels like the OS is always an afterthought to their hardware. Now that Synology is forking their product line for the consumer market with their entry devices like Beestation, it seems they're abandoning Intel all together and regulating the enterprise level nas/servers with intel hardware. I won't be surprised if they're working on an OS that can take advantage of Snapdragon's Elite chips for the prosumers since ai is the trend right now. I would love them to at least make a lowend NAS with an ARC based igpu for those who want transcoding with the latest codecs or at least offer a device that can add hardware transcoding like their Play series. Even the company Eufy who is known for consumer-based security cameras are planning to get into the NAS market to compete with Beestation and their latest base station is essentially a dumbed down Nas specifically design as a hub to have full control of their cameras.
My DS720+ will be my last Synology NAS. They have the best software, but very slow processors to make the server evolve without losing speed. (Emby, Nextcloud, VM etc.) I now purchase refurbished hardware at a third of the price of a Synology NAS with two to three times the performance. I really liked Synology, but our romance is over.
Good to know....better to have known 61 days ago when I bought the DS923+. 😅😂 I fell into the Ubiquity rabbit hole, so I have not done much with it lately. RIP my time. ☠
My DS1512+ finally died (blinking blue light). Ended up building a TrueNAS Scale box using an old server which has onboard 10GB and ECC memory. TrueNAS is pretty awesome and it is FREE, very impressed with Scale, it is much easier to use than the old Core. At first I was going to buy a new Synology but as mentioned in the video, the current models are from 2021 and I really wanted 10GB Ethernet. Yes you can add 10GB to a Synology but they charge a fortune for the add-on cards. I may still get another Synology one day as they are great, depends on what models they introduce later this year or next.
Do you keep close tabs on Syno's routers? If so, I'd love to see a video analysis from you of Syno's current router offerings, and where you think they might go in the future. I've been very happy with my Syno 2600, but I need to upgrade it. I don't want to spend money on a 6600 for only 1 Gbit and WiFi 6, so I keep hoping that Syno will roll out some router updates soon.
I don't unfortunately. The 1GbE isn't that big of a problem if it's on the WAN side (I don't know the devices very well) because most ISPs provide service at or under 1Gbps, but there are a few providers that are >1Gbps, and in that case, yes, 2.5GbE would be necessary.
this is so annoying.... I've been trying so hard to save up and get my hands on my first NAS... I have my sights set on Synology, and now that I have the money ready to spend. But the more research I do the more confused I am as to which one to land on. uGHHHHH...in this moment I am thinking of going for the 923+ and try to add a "zimaboard" or something to help with PLEX transcoding? (Plex, video editing, and file storage are all I'd be looking to use this for) - if you have other suggestions let me know.
I'll list a link below that sums up how I feel about devices and which I think you should use, but the first question you have to answer is if you will even USE Plex transcoding. I think it's a fairly misunderstood topic because if you are direct playing media, you'll never transcode so getting a Zimaboard would be a waste and I wouldn't rush to that conclusion if you aren't even sure. Here's my two cents: get a NAS you want and forget transcoding. If you find out you need it, get a Mini PC because it'll do the same thing as the Zimaboard while being cheaper and faster. In terms of which NAS to pick, these are my suggestions: www.wundertech.net/which-synology-nas-should-i-buy/
@@WunderTechTutorials Thanks for the reply! 😀 so you're right I really don't know much about how much transcoding I'd actually be needing, it just seems like such a big deal when all these reviewers bring it up. I am a heavy plex user although 99% of the time I'm using it with my apple TV which I have heard different things about weather or not that uses transcoding, however I share my plex server with others around the country, and they are all using it on home streaming boxes as well (apple tv/roku/whatever) if transcoding is something I should ignore for now I guess would go for the ds923+ and throw in two 16GB hard drives...that way I can at least get started, do you think that make sense for me? I don't know much about the mini PC thing, can you point me somewhere that explains that option a bit more? (appreciate the help, this has been... a puzzle)
@@jacobheadley6506 The more you use Plex (in terms of client devices), the higher the chance of transcoding, but it's a tough requirement for Synology devices right now. It's almost like you have to pick between worse hardware and better software or better hardware and worse software. In terms of the Mini PC - all it is is a device like a Zimaboard, but cheaper, and faster/better. I go over an example setup in this video, but I probably wouldn't follow it if you ONLY want transcoding: th-cam.com/video/gHBSrENzeqk/w-d-xo.html With that said, if your goal is transcoding only, the Zimaboard is fine.
"Bad" is subjective. If a new device comes out later this year, yeah, might not be the best time. If one doesn't, then it's a fine time to buy. It's just hard to say because we have no idea what's coming.
Synology is a joke. I have a 920+ with Synology drives and cache, and when I had an issue with the cache causing corruption they wouldn’t accept responsibility even when I could prove it was their hardware, especially since it was ALL Synology hardware. Also, in looking at upgrading to a more powerful 12-bay, I was able to build my own 36-bay NAS, add 16TB NVMe cache, 256GB RAM, and fill it with 100TB of drives for the same money as an empty Synology chassis.
@@RonnyNussbaum I’m currently running 2 Unraid servers with 4 caches each and 120TB per server with 256GB RAM and a small Arc A310 GPU in each for transcoding. One is my primary and the other one I bought as a backup after learning the pricing for backing up to the cloud. I also run all my media services on both for HA. I’m not really happy with the performance and stability of Unraid. I will keep Unraid as a backup because even if you lose both parity drives and then you lose another drive, you will only lose that one drive, opposed to the entire array. So I’m going to convert one of them to TrueNAS for file storage, and add another array to run iSCSI for my gaming PCs and VMs running on another 2 Proxmox servers which also run my media services and homelab projects. As part of that change and because of how TrueNAS works, I’ll be doubling the RAM to 500GB to start because I run TrueNAS as a VM in one of my Proxmox servers with 500GB RAM and it ate almost the whole thing. ZFS devours memory for caching. I adore that feature.
@@RonnyNussbaum For my NAS' I ended up getting 2 Supermicro superstorage servers with 36 bays. I bought one at first and then realized there was a 3 month ROI if I bought another one instead of backing up to the cloud, so I did that. Each server currently has a little over 100TB running Unraid, 256GB RAM, and 4 x 4TB NVMe cache drives, s small Arc A320, and 2 x 10GB NICs. I'm not really happy with the performance for Unraid, but I do like their apps, as well as the fact that even if you lose the 2 parity drives, and then you lose another, you only lose the data on that disk, rather than the entire array. So I am converting my backup server to TrueNAS, adding another 256GB RAM, adding another array for iSCSI o my Proxmox cluster can use fast iSCSI on TrueNAS as Unraid doesn't have this. TrueNAS will end up being my primary NAS backing up my media to Unraid and both backing up my configs and important files to my Synology.
I have a DS119J which is far to slow to do anything other than backup photo and access files on the fly. I have been looking to upgrade for some time but am put off by the huge price - focused on DS224+. Wonder if I really need that. Main goal is to backup photos of family mobiles and pc laptop files. Store all historic photographs and some videos. Now that Google Photos is charging and limits of 15gb reached, I need something that works equally as well, which Synology Photos may or may not do. I am by no means an techy expert but can get around and like Synology. Should I remain with Synology or are there other better alternatives?
Just got six (6) RS4016's (for a temp NAS solution) and was not at all happy about buying synology SDD's and Memory. Come on. The next batch for the data center will not be Synology.
What 4-bay NAS would you recommend for a new NAS user like me? preferred a friendly budget NAS under AU$1000 (Australian), what are the things to consider before i buy a NAS?
Me who just bought a synology... Nah but I really don't care about hardware. I have a personal server I run plex on, I just wanted a stable NAS to keep my data cozy and Synology Surveilance looks like a great program I wanted to try out.
Same here. I have a Dell PowerEdge T330 with 8 3,5 hot swap bays. And two more disk on the DVD bays, one Nvme 2TB used as storage volume, 64GB of RAM, and a lot of PCI slots free. On idle consumes 84w. It cost me around 150€ total. The Synology machines on that price range, has really really bad hardware.
thanks for this video as i'm currently looking to buy into my first NAS. i wanna go with a synology as i wanna get something that works out of the box without me setting up too much. i was wondering if there would be new models coming soon so i'm currently waiting to hold out on buying until october or so. for the 923+ and the transcoding issue i was thinking of getting a Zimaboard to use for the transcoding tasks
Get an N100 based NUC and load Ubuntu. I haven't looked at the price of a Zima, but for $160 you can get an N100 including a Windows pro license and 2.5 gb ethernet. Plex transcoding is just better on Linux. This is what I did.
i've said it multiple times, synology had it easy for way too many years, and now is paying off, terramaster and ugreen are gonna kick their asses and i'm gonna enjoy it
I need to look into Ugreen, See what they have. Getting near the time to replace my DS1019+, Want to go bigger next NAS at least 8 bay with possibility to add expander later if needed.
I have a 1821+. Pretty sure i won't upgrade. 30% increase really won't do anything for me because its cpu usage is already very low & I have upgraded the nic to a dual 10Gbe nic (spf+). The only thing that would be nice if they went back to intel (for quicksync) granted i know synology had a bad taste in their mouth from the previous atom CPUs that were failing. I went with a n100 mini computer for plex & its a transcoding beast. I sure hope they change the crap move of showing errors when your not using a synology branded drive. They should just do that if they detect you are using a smr drive.
Having my main NAS in my living room I wonder if their next generation of CPU's won't need bigger fans/fanspeed. I would prefer at least one 4-bay NAS with a more modest CPU that can run very quiet.
If they would do a mere refresh for the 15xx, 16xx and 18xx models, that would mean a competitive device in this line won't be released until 2027. I don't think they can afford that. I expect some completely new devices from Synology 2nd half of 2024, that would also explain why the refresh of the 16xx and 18xx took so long.
Have a 918+ and waiting for that new 1824+ to drop this fall. No? Since my home lab is developing I'm wondering if I should just build a NAS instead. I love synology but the lackluster hardware leaves a lot to be desired when thinking about a five year use case. If I built my own it will be years ahead and so last as many more.
@@jasperverkroost ahh that explains the date my 918+ was released... Yeah I sure hope they've got fast nic and better processors. If they don't have that I can't justify spending the money on it when I could build a truenas with future proof hardware for a better price. Now that I take my home lab more seriously the ease of use of Synology isn't really top of the list anymore.
I didn't bring up stock prices, but all companies have a valuation and the goal is to increase that. There are still shareholders, even if it's not publically traded.
Benn waiting for ages now for them to release a new 8 bay for home users, My 5 bay is getting old and don't think it's worth adding an expansion unit to it, Would rather just replace with a newer 8 bay NAS, Synology needs to hurry up as I am very tempted to switch brands. QNAP and ASUSTOR may not have the best software but their hardware is above Synology, We should be getting more than 1GbE ports as standard even if it's just 2.5GbE that way they can still sell their 10GbE add in cards for those who need it.
So probably still incremental updates with ancient hardware. Why is it the worst time to buy synology now? Reading the title, I thought synology finally will catch in hardware.
I am purely guessing it'll be an incremental upgrade but I am having a hard time thinking it'll be anything more. My thought process is if you're in the market for a new NAS, just wait until the end of the year (unless you absolutely must have it) and see what they come out with, if anything.
I feel like even though I mentioned it in the video, it’s important to say there are other differences between these devices and this is an EXTREMELY, oversimplified view of their similarities/differences. If you want in-depth hardware reviews, check out @nascompares as he breaks down everything and provides all the details necessary to understand each device.
They’re also not “bad” devices, but we should see a refreshed lineup within the next year or so and it might make sense to wait - especially if you’re paying full price now.
When do you think we’ll get announcements on new models? Really waiting for new 5-8bay models.
@@Ultrajamz I have no idea to be honest, but I am thinking that by ~October or so, there should be some sort of announcement. The issue is, what will it be? 4 bay? 6 bay? The 16/18/22 lineup should probably be refreshed first, but the 4-bay units used to be released every 2 years (916/918/920/...923?) so we will see.
@@WunderTechTutorials I’ve seen some speculation on computex but maybe wishful thinking.
@@WunderTechTutorials Normally they sale NAs models every 2 oy 3 years so I understand the frustration, but they are stucked from 10 years in the same business model and I don't think they will improve it
I've been holding off upgrading my DS718 because I'm not impressed with the current Synology hardware options. I'm very pleased with Synology DSM. Synology needs to update hardware offerings before they start losing customers.
A lot of people seem to hold on to their 718+/918+ NAS'es (I am still with my 918+), to me it feels it was the last really innovatie line Synology released.
I am also the proud owner of a DS718+, but I would also like to buy a ugreen DXP6800 to play around with.
I am still rocking Synology 213j and that thing is refusing to die. Works over a decade.
Waiting new models to upgrade this year.
My perspective on this is that Synology simply doesn't care as much about the home user as they used to. You can see this in the software they choose to focus on as well. Enterprise is where they make the money. Can't fault them for trying to make more. It sucks and I hope I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything to suggest I am since atleast October, 2020. Personally, I'll give it a couple years for some other company's software to catch up then relegate my 920+ to an offsite backup.
I agree buy they dont have an enterprise market distribution, support, or maintenance and monitoring. It is a difficult solution for an MSP.
I'm done with Synology. The main reason for me was that they still have 1GBE as standard. That annoyed me. Especially since the devices are not cheap. Last year I decided to try Terramaster. And I'm thrilled. I have the T6-423 and have installed Truenas Scale. Plus 32GB RAM and 2 SSD. Very fast, stable and very quiet because almost everything is made of solid metal. And in the standard 2.5GBE. Synology's DSM is certainly easier to use, but the hardware is crap.
I am very happy that Ugreen has now been added. Good for us private users. In six months I will take another look at Ugreen's software. The hardware is top.
I agree, 1GbE and the outdated cpu's that don't even do transcoding very well is making me look at other brands to replace my DS1019+.
We do not care about hardware we care about software
Mine has the 10GbE card and works great
chinese software and data security? no way for me
@@GR-zx3wo What do you suggest is a good alternative to Synology? At this point everything is Chinese though.
A major miss is that it is known that future Synology NAS devices will prefer to a fault ... their own hard drives, to the point where pop ups for 'incompatible hardware' are happening for recent buyers of Synology machines. Proprietary is coming, so if you can buy an older unit ... you may be better off, if you have issues with that kind of a reality.
If they go that route I will never buy another Synology again.
I have helped with a few different NAS setups for family and friends and tried a few brands and models. I'm still convinced that Synology beats everyone by a million miles with their software. It's easy to use and intuitive, unlike pretty much everything else.
I have a Synology myself. It's solid and reliable. That's all you should care about. Try anything else, and you will end up spending much of your time and money on what could be a one-time setup-and-forget job.
You are not just paying for hardware, it's also the software.
When hardware has reached a certain age, and depending on use case, software can't make up for it.
Sad to see the direction synology is going
What are good alternative brands? I want something similar to the DS423, with Dropbox integration. And hope to eventually upgrade to the + line.
@@sidbrun_ ugreen
After 3 generations of synology I'm now building my own. Gigabit and ancient cpu's just don't cut it anymore. I'm sure I can get OwnCloud up and running on m y homebuilt NAS and get the same functionality.
I was a NetGear ReadyNAS user for many years. I moved to Synology when NetGear stopped making them. I still has an old ReadyNAS at home, but at work we have Synology NASs throughout for backup, storage and for our virtualization storage. My biggest gripe is the STUPID restriction on hard drives. The "Synology" HDDS that they will try to sell you are more expensive than off-the-shelf HDDs and are actually nothing more than rebranded Toshiba Enterprise drives with custom Synology firmware. What really gets my goat is if you buy Synology-branded HDDs for your Synology NAS and want to upgrade and repurpose the Synology HDDs for another device, then you will sit with a bricked HDD. Synology-branded HDDs only work on Synology devices. I told them to shove their Synology HDDs and went out and purchased Toshiba Enterprise drives that are cheaper and I can use them in other non-Synology NASs or devices.
I use the DS1621+, I loaded it with a 10gb card, 32gb ram, and 2TB SSD cache. It's been rock solid since day one. I use a combo of WD and Seagate NAS drives, and over the years had no issues. I don't like the direction Synology is going with prefered drives and the warnings for not using the prefered drives. So far I haven't experienced any warnings, but the news about it is a huge turn off if I ever want to upgrade to another Synology machine.
I have similar. 1621+, 10Gb card, 32gb ram, but no SSDs. Don't need em. I had moved up from a 415+. I prefer Seagate Iron Wolf drives now over WD red since WD pulled the SMR thing. Yeah, Synology doesn't seem to care much about the home user.
I think you are spot on! Synology is one of the most conservative companies out there and it seems to me the the changes in future models will be incremental at best. i also think we will not see 2.5gb nics as a standard, not just yet. Excellent video, i tend to think you are predicting it correctly.
Thanks, Avi! Hopefully I am wrong about all of it!
Still very happy with my synology. And looking at prices for as ( and the hdd's)....there is no need to release a million types. The speed over the network is still very good. I use it to digitize and stream my blu-rays.
Rather than trying to build out a software suite from scratch, I wonder why some of the other NAS manufacturers don’t take something like TrueNas and build on that to make it more consumer friendly?
I think they have to pay for a license when shipping a NAS with TrueNAS
DANG YOU! I am still prepping to buy my FIRST NAS from Synology and all you did was throw another wrench in my research and concerns as a newb. Grrrrrr...
Synology is still the best pre-built device. Just need to keep in mind you're buying older hardware that will be obsolete sooner.
While I appreciate my Synology 720+, the reality is that it's noisy, cost a lot to get running and a lot of hardware overhead for basically a slow file server. My next NAS is likely to be all NVME and based on boards you can buy for $100-$200. I can run Proxmox on legacy hardware and get all the services DSM is offering other than the file server, and the file server I just want it be fast and silent. Synology can't really offer that at this point. Their business model is being undercut by more nimble competitors at least in the home lab space.
Thanks for the contribution. I have therefore decided in favor of Ugreen. Very disappointing that such a big company uses outdated hardware and sells it as a new model.
TrueNAS is the NAS I using for many years both home and business. So very glad I have. Nothing better. Period.
The longer synology takes the more is expected at this point, and the more I fear high prices from them.
Been a synology user for 20 years. Dumped em last year. Never again. They’re not consumer or enthusiast friendly. $650 for their 20TB drive and not support for 3rd party greater than 16TB. Utter nonsense. Low end cpus, $100 for 16GB supported sodimms, only can use their nvmes for SSDs. Absolutely garbage. F synology.
What brand are you using now ? Xavier France
Someone pointed me to the 'hacked' version of DSM, xpenology, which, if you like the DSM o/s allows own hardware choices.
I own an OLD DS213J ... I wanted to replace this aged NAS. Looking at the current model for the 2-4 bays the J / Value / Plus series. And those models still use a outdated CPU /parts for that price range when other NAS makers have included a more powerful CPU, 2.5Gbps port(s). This makes me want to jump ships to other Brands.
What makes me hold on to Synology is due to their simple-to-use interface. Their simple SHR Raid for simple Home users.
I'm interested in the Ugrreen NAS as well, But I did not join their Kickstarter. I do not know how good are their UGOS. Hence I'm still holding back for an Upgrade.
So what am I to do? I need a NAS for my movie collection to send over to infuse pro. No idea where to start..
i paid 240.00 for the 224+ and paid 24.00 for 16GB upgrade. I just need basic cloud stuff , photo syncing. Unraid does plex, and true nas does iscsi , in a 24 bay supermicros or 36 bay supermicros
They have to respond somehow to the competition. They can't stay forever relying on their DSM. It's like one of your legs to be longer then the other.
If not, when competitors released a stable OS everyone will move to them. And they hopefully know that very well.
I'm still on a DS418 play and this will be my last Synology NAS. I hope guys like UGreen make it to compete and only the software experience is securing Synology sales at this point. The moment someone else has a stable, user friendly OS, Synology is in trouble. They would need to release better hardware at a lower cost to remain competitive, which I think will be a tough ask.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. I am still rocking a couple of 11 year old 2413+ units with 4gb of memory and Atom D2700's. I just dont understand the 1gb network interfaces on new units. I honestly think that they all should come with 10gb and nothing less. What is the point of having a 2000hp twin turbo all the bald eagles for power yet only 1gb or even 2.5gb network interfaces. My 11 year old units with hard drives from the same era, will still completely saturate both 1gb network interfaces. If my 11 year unit can saturate the 1gb and the brand new units only have 1gb networking - why the hell should I upgrade? If I need a performance upgrade, I need 10gb and I need enough horsepower on the NAS to fully saturate that connection. The trouble is that many/most new units, even with 10gb, don't have the power to saturate the connection in the real world when formatted and in production. Not only do I have to check for native 10gb but I have to research it to make certain that it can actually use it. Ugh.
They will never change, once you taste the mercenary tactic you never go back, is like crack you always need more, but I want to thank them, because if was not for them probably I will never had the opportunity of buying a Ugreen NAS that is a fantastic machine, so in the end theirs strategy has open the door for new products on the market that if wasn't that probably will never see the light of day.
I know that my 920+ won't last forever and I also have a QNAP to hedge my bets. But, I would like to have a new Synology model with a good fast Intel processor that will take Seagate or WD drives. Until that appears, I'll hang on to my money. Thanks as always Frank. Very much appreciated.
Immediately returned my ds920+ and got a ds923+ just for the 10Gbe
I am afraid that the days of Synology using Intel CPU's are over.
2.5GbE switching is an absolute nightmare, especially if you buy 10GbE switches and plug in 2.5GbE. You get worse average performance than 1GbE and I think that’s why most consumer products (home appliances, like Synology, but also laptops and the such) are still shipping with 1GbE NICs
Synology sells as we know due to the software stack, plus the reliability aspect. Playing devil's advocate - maybe they're using procs because they know how to cool them properly and therefore ensure the product survives longer term (my opinion). Throwing SFP+ ports (as 10GbE RJ45 is not widely supported) causes more heat etc. As I said, devil's advocate (I've got a 2.5GbE USB in my 920+ which annoys me I have to go community to get a driver).
I am coming from an older Synology NAS. It was past time to upgrade so I started looking at Synology to stay in rhe family, but was very disappointed with the current offerings. Ended up with one of the new Terramaster models and I am very happy with it.
Yes, it's frustrating. Particularly with the lack of update of the DVA series.
I've found DSM (and it's really ancient Docker / Docker Compose version) very limiting for what I want to do application wise, but I've decided the better way to go is probably a mini-PC like the Minisforum MS-01 running Proxmox and using that to run a VM with Docker and your applications on it, and using the NAS for JUST storage. DSM is fine in that regard. I think my next NAS will still probably be something with TrueNAS Scale and ZFS, but whether that's DIY or something like a 45Drives HL15 if I can make room for a rack remains to be seen.
I have a DS214 that’s still going. I’m very likely to do a DIY NAS for the next system. Anyone else thinking this? Freenas or truenas or?
Ubuntu Server is all you need. I run a Server as a web server and with 12TB of storage. It's been running for 3 years now, without any issues and it's free. The only cost were the 3 hard drives.
And the electricity 😅
@@ClaudeAlexandreRochatProfile Yes true, but it isn't on 27/7.
Synology is really lagging and their HW is really outdated. They should include 2.5Gbe or even 10Gbe by default already.
I for a long time was waiting for Synology to update their lineup because I wanted a general nas and media server.... then they moved to cpus that didn't have transcoding features...so I built a TrueNAS SCALE server instead... haven't really looked at Synology since
I've got a 918+ and use it primarily for Plex. I'm hoping something changes or else I'm going to need to think about something new.
Synology is a software company working within the limits of hardware that must be cheap and reliable enough to make a decent profit from. Hopefully this doesn't mean another generation of 1Gbit ports, but it will depend on cost and reliability again.
At this point really should be 2.5Gb minimum.
I don't think reliability would suffer if they chose to offer a real upgrade. They just love selling as little hw for as much $ as possible, and they've been pushing the envelope in this regard for years and gotten away with it. Frankly, if they f*ng burn, I'll be actually enjoying it, and fanning the flames.
PCIe slots on their larger models make it simple and cheap to add an SFP+ card and module. Mine runs on 10Gbe fiber now.
Storage based operations dont need to be a powerhouse, NAS CPU decisions should always be going toward the safe and secure hardware. i was glad they went for ECC. give me 4+ year old hardware with higher MTBF and the support of the OEM them all day.
With their push to a narrowing HCL list Synology are no longer a consideration anyway.
I have a DS920+ and I won't upgrade any time soon.
Synology plays with their customers because they know they are the king of NAS but their hegemony is starting to end.
Let's see if Synology open their eyes once and for all and start to really give their customers a good balance between hardware and price without:
- forcing users to buy their HDD's; - stop trying to make users buy their truly expensive memory modules;
- stop with the "supposed" memory limit (that we already know that can go further);
- increase the number of free camera licenses;
- Improve their ALL apps to Android (idk about IOS) and GoogleTV, mainly their DS Audio which is really terrible!
because we already have to spend a LOT in a NAS + HDD's.
Ugreen is a Chinese company and we all know what is going to happen.
They will strike with all the power they have, and I'm convinced that they will focus heavily on dethroning the DSM.
DSM is really good but if they think that it alone will "save" them, they are completely wrong!
In fact, many companies in China have begun to encroach on Synology's market, in addition to Ugreen NAS, there is also Polar Space NAS, which is more popular, and its influence in the Chinese market is slowly growing. Synology is running out of time to lie down and make money. www.google.com.hk/search?q=%E6%9E%81%E7%A9%BA%E9%97%B4
If no new release at computex I'm moving to another brand I'm at the end of my patience.
I am also really looking forward to an (possible) announcement at Computex. Fingers crossed!
I still have an 1815 that works perfectly fine..... i have an 1821+ works perfect... why do you need more cpu for home users? the end point devies ( on tv side ) all have hardware for decoding, you are literlaly only sending data back and forth not encoding or decoding if you are doing it right.
Mainly that the 1821+ was announced in late 2020 and released in early 2021. Back then and even today, it's a great device based on your needs, but in 2-3 years the device will be 5+ years old if you buy it today. There just comes a point where waiting for a new model makes sense and in my opinion, that's right now.
I left Synology when they discontinued my box. They promissed link aggregation on my model, and the options seem to be there, but it just won't work. So I was stuck with 1Gbps. Their CPUs and prices are a joke!
Link aggregation needs to be supported and set up on the switch as well, in order for it to work. Have you checked your switch for that?
I'm not so sure they have one more opportunity to skate through an incremental upgrade. This is their moment to bust through the competition or add to the noise.
Not to change the subject but in the US the two cameras are out of stock everywhere. There was a third camera mentioned that is nowhere to be found. No one is talking about this issue. Are they fixing a flaw, new version coming out or supply issues? At this point supply issues would feel like a useless talking point. Any thoughts?
I love DSM software, honestly it's unmatched by anyone else. However, their hardware is extremely bad. To have a cpu from 2019 into a 2024 device is just crazy to me. That's why we need more people in the space. I want to see other Nas companies eating Synology lunch so they wake up. Imagine if Samsung put a 4 years old cpu.. No one in their mind would buy it.
Interesting to see all the people who speak about outdated harware and performance issue.
I have myself choosen a ds1520+ and I'm delighted. This NAS is perfect for me. I have chose it even knowing the Ds1522+ was out because of the transcoding (i agree it is a shame the new one don't have it).
But the software is so so good.
Stability
Easy backups
Docker
Reverse proxy
Synology drive with sync on demande (if you don't use it try)
Synology photo is very good in my opinion
I monitor my power consumption and it's around 40w with 4Hdd
The CPU is around 12% during normal use (i'm a small user) but it run around 20 containers
And use 4go of ram.
I for my self will not take an other brand unless I have very good reason.
Also the security is I think something they take seriously. Mine is open on the internet and i never had any problem (with minimal exposure and firewall plus reverse proxy and geo ip restrictions).
I don't say the video don't point true synology hardware flows but there is other points than raw power to consider.
It's only my opinion 😮
I just upgraded my DS1019+ to a DS1522+ because I needed its 10 Gbit/s upgrade option, and I doubt we'll see a new 5-bay model this year, so general advice against buying ANY Synology NAS today seems inappropriate. It depends on how many bays and which features you want, and when the corresponding model was last updated.
The old hardware is why I’m going from my 5 year old synology to UGreen. I don’t use most of the synology software so I figure it’s worth the try for a predominantly PLEX server.
Great insight such useful info. This is what annoys me such much with synology is there hardware is crap. Thanks
Great video - based on your overview here I just cancelled an Amazon order I had for a DS923+ as I'd rather wait for an improved hardware profile from the device. I'm very interested to look at comparative devices on the market (my workload constitutes running ***arr platforms, Plex (w/o hw transcoding) and Docker containers), so will be checking the rest of your videos to see what your comparative options are in this space - thanks!
I disagree with your statement that you often fail in your explanations, unless this video was an extreme outlier. It was totally consumable by someone with a modicum of knowledge of computers, networking, NAS drives and information processing. Thanks. Subscribed. ✅
I appreciate the kind words! Thanks for watching!
Wow, were all of you still thinking they pay for good hardware? Really? Pretty expensive hardware then!
With Synology you pay for the whole ease-of-use managed software with 'good-enough' hardware to use it.
If you don't know linux, don't want to configure everything yourself, are not an IT nerd, don't want to keep an eye on updates/patches, don't want to configure your own security
but you do want to run a big fileserver, a mediaserver, connect it to the internet with vpn, run home assistant on it, make auto-backups of all your devices, synchronize your cloud-accounts, run your own website, easy replace faulty disk, easy migrate to bigger disks or new model every 5 years
and feel relatively safe by the security / managed software/updates provided by the solution (software+hardware)
then I feel Synology is for me still the best choice!
For 95% I have no clue how it is running/working, don't see consoles/commandlines. I am just using the thing like I use a television or a washing-machine.
What happened with all the rackmounts? All I see now are trash desktop ones which of course use slower chipsets and use featureless controllers.
I have DS712+ and DS420+. I only use these for file storage and perhaps the odd web station to make some files available over HTTP. I really want a Syno that has ZFS, but that's probably not going to happen unless I do an iSCSI target. (Or I go back to home-built NAS.)
Nothing faster than Gig-E for me until 10Gbps is affordable (anything that can't be managed via console is a big no-no).
I bought a 920+ when the 923 came out because of the reduced home user functionality. Now video station and codecs have gone my next NAS is unlikely to be Synology.
I see the value in DSM, especially the reliability of managing data. I care less about the CPU and more about being on supported hardware, so I can get the better features. As pure NAS I appreciate their engineering.
I think the capability of the homeowner hardware is potentially lacking when the use case leans towards turning your NAS into a platform for virtualization. But you can still execute on a small scale, at least.
Has any home user managed to get quick connect to work seamlessly after broadband band router changes? I am having a tough time setting it up so i can use it as private cloud to be honest. Any useful tips would be greatly appreciated. I don’t have static ip address.
QNAP for the win. I saw this coming a few years ago, Synology wasn't on a path for serious prosumer devices.
Every nas kickstarter is one less Ferrari in synology's driveway until they stop labeling vintage tech as current.
I was going to upgrade my DS920+ to a 923+ but the cpu without gpu transcoding left me staying with my 920+. I have my security cameras running on my NAS and didn't want them to not record when the 923+ went to 100% transcoding a movie and pausing every other non transcode action. I will again stay with my 920+ if the 925+ or 926+ NAS comes out with no graphics or an inferior AMD cpu with graphics compared to what I now have.
The hardware is old, the update is slow, the APP is terrible, this is what I want to say, I don't think about buying it anymore.
Thanks for the video. I have a DS418 which has a Realtek processor according to Synology. Is this good?
As a home user and amateur photographer it’s mainly to store my photos, videos and documents.
I have 4x2tb WD Reds installed and configured automatically by the unit for around 5.6tb.
I’m running out of space and am considering a second NAS. Should I stick with the DS418? If not which would you recommend?
I’m travelling to Europe and I am looking at my options to back up my photos. One is to simply use iCloud. I have 200 GB of storage. Or I can set the NAS up as a form of cloud storage. I’m currently looking at how to do that. It’ll be accessed by my iPad and iPhone.
What are your views on this?
Thanks.
It really depends on what you're using the device for. I wouldn't focus on hardware specs, but more on usability. Are you happy with it? Running into any issues? Want more? If you haven't had any of those thoughts, it's probably working well!
@@WunderTechTutorials thanks for replying. I'm happy with the NAS that I have. However, I've yet to see what is comparable out there. My "use case" is simply storage for our media (video, photos, etc.) and to stream the videos to Apple TVs. It's just that I'm running out of disk space.
It has 4x2tb drives. Can I replace them via hotswapping with larger drives, say, do one at a time until all 4 new drives are installed?
I'm not sure if that NAS supports hot swapping but yes, you'd have to do one at a time and wait for the RAID array to rebuild.
@@WunderTechTutorials thanks, I give that a go, then. One of the NAS channels suggested avoiding WD Reds. Which disk drives do you recommend? I have WD Reds in mine at present and 3 or so years later, no failures (yet).
@@mjpt57 As long as the WD Red drive is CMR (check before buying), it's fine IMO. Just make sure it's CMR and not SMR, and a decent price/TB, but if price wasn't an object, I'd go with IronWolf drives.
Just build a TrueNAS box. Off the shelf parts and easily replaceable. Why go with proprietory stuff and risk your data to loss?
I don't buy anything now which doesn't have a 2.5Gb Nic, nor a processor older than something like an N100, and I'm expecting a new Nas like that, but hey, this is Synology, they lag far behind Asustor, or Terra-Master. Also, look at the base OS, they, and some others, use very outdated Linux kernels.
Love my 1823vs, feels so much snappier than 1821+... but sucks with thermal and no transcoding. If I add another synology, it will be 12 bay....or dva model for surveilance.
I bought a UGreen 6 Bay. Synology needs to step it up!
I'm on the fence as to whether to get the 6 bay or 8 bay when they come to the non-kickstarter consumers in early July. Looking forward to the reviews.
The software on Synology Nas is the critical reason I use their products. This is where other companies can't compete with Synology. Even Ugreen's products is a no go for me seeing the operating system looking abysmal. Qnaps has been a contender as an alternative, but it feels like the OS is always an afterthought to their hardware. Now that Synology is forking their product line for the consumer market with their entry devices like Beestation, it seems they're abandoning Intel all together and regulating the enterprise level nas/servers with intel hardware. I won't be surprised if they're working on an OS that can take advantage of Snapdragon's Elite chips for the prosumers since ai is the trend right now. I would love them to at least make a lowend NAS with an ARC based igpu for those who want transcoding with the latest codecs or at least offer a device that can add hardware transcoding like their Play series. Even the company Eufy who is known for consumer-based security cameras are planning to get into the NAS market to compete with Beestation and their latest base station is essentially a dumbed down Nas specifically design as a hub to have full control of their cameras.
I got a 2nd hand DS920+ for around 100usd, a bnew is around 800usd in my area of the world, i think it's good buy
My DS720+ will be my last Synology NAS. They have the best software, but very slow processors to make the server evolve without losing speed. (Emby, Nextcloud, VM etc.) I now purchase refurbished hardware at a third of the price of a Synology NAS with two to three times the performance.
I really liked Synology, but our romance is over.
Good to know....better to have known 61 days ago when I bought the DS923+. 😅😂
I fell into the Ubiquity rabbit hole, so I have not done much with it lately. RIP my time. ☠
My DS1512+ finally died (blinking blue light). Ended up building a TrueNAS Scale box using an old server which has onboard 10GB and ECC memory. TrueNAS is pretty awesome and it is FREE, very impressed with Scale, it is much easier to use than the old Core. At first I was going to buy a new Synology but as mentioned in the video, the current models are from 2021 and I really wanted 10GB Ethernet. Yes you can add 10GB to a Synology but they charge a fortune for the add-on cards. I may still get another Synology one day as they are great, depends on what models they introduce later this year or next.
I just get the higher end models where the expansion slot is regular PCIe, where it's easy to find used SFP+ cards and modules for cheap.
Do you keep close tabs on Syno's routers? If so, I'd love to see a video analysis from you of Syno's current router offerings, and where you think they might go in the future. I've been very happy with my Syno 2600, but I need to upgrade it. I don't want to spend money on a 6600 for only 1 Gbit and WiFi 6, so I keep hoping that Syno will roll out some router updates soon.
I don't unfortunately. The 1GbE isn't that big of a problem if it's on the WAN side (I don't know the devices very well) because most ISPs provide service at or under 1Gbps, but there are a few providers that are >1Gbps, and in that case, yes, 2.5GbE would be necessary.
this is so annoying.... I've been trying so hard to save up and get my hands on my first NAS... I have my sights set on Synology, and now that I have the money ready to spend. But the more research I do the more confused I am as to which one to land on. uGHHHHH...in this moment I am thinking of going for the 923+ and try to add a "zimaboard" or something to help with PLEX transcoding? (Plex, video editing, and file storage are all I'd be looking to use this for) - if you have other suggestions let me know.
I'll list a link below that sums up how I feel about devices and which I think you should use, but the first question you have to answer is if you will even USE Plex transcoding. I think it's a fairly misunderstood topic because if you are direct playing media, you'll never transcode so getting a Zimaboard would be a waste and I wouldn't rush to that conclusion if you aren't even sure.
Here's my two cents: get a NAS you want and forget transcoding. If you find out you need it, get a Mini PC because it'll do the same thing as the Zimaboard while being cheaper and faster. In terms of which NAS to pick, these are my suggestions: www.wundertech.net/which-synology-nas-should-i-buy/
@@WunderTechTutorials Thanks for the reply! 😀 so you're right I really don't know much about how much transcoding I'd actually be needing, it just seems like such a big deal when all these reviewers bring it up. I am a heavy plex user although 99% of the time I'm using it with my apple TV which I have heard different things about weather or not that uses transcoding, however I share my plex server with others around the country, and they are all using it on home streaming boxes as well (apple tv/roku/whatever) if transcoding is something I should ignore for now I guess would go for the ds923+ and throw in two 16GB hard drives...that way I can at least get started, do you think that make sense for me? I don't know much about the mini PC thing, can you point me somewhere that explains that option a bit more? (appreciate the help, this has been... a puzzle)
@@jacobheadley6506 The more you use Plex (in terms of client devices), the higher the chance of transcoding, but it's a tough requirement for Synology devices right now. It's almost like you have to pick between worse hardware and better software or better hardware and worse software. In terms of the Mini PC - all it is is a device like a Zimaboard, but cheaper, and faster/better. I go over an example setup in this video, but I probably wouldn't follow it if you ONLY want transcoding: th-cam.com/video/gHBSrENzeqk/w-d-xo.html
With that said, if your goal is transcoding only, the Zimaboard is fine.
And you thing is bad time to buy a 423+ too? I am so close to buy one, but the cpu could bt a little more powerfull.
"Bad" is subjective. If a new device comes out later this year, yeah, might not be the best time. If one doesn't, then it's a fine time to buy. It's just hard to say because we have no idea what's coming.
Bought a DS1512 the day before the DS1513 came out, so yea; I skipped the DS1522 for a DS1523, no, DS1524 or DS1525?
I’m using DS-720+ and an ancient WDMyCloud single bay gen2 with OS5…despite all the issues.
I own a DS716+ and have indeed never seen why updating would make sense. To he difference is just too small.
Synology is a joke. I have a 920+ with Synology drives and cache, and when I had an issue with the cache causing corruption they wouldn’t accept responsibility even when I could prove it was their hardware, especially since it was ALL Synology hardware. Also, in looking at upgrading to a more powerful 12-bay, I was able to build my own 36-bay NAS, add 16TB NVMe cache, 256GB RAM, and fill it with 100TB of drives for the same money as an empty Synology chassis.
Can you share the full specs of your setup please?
@@RonnyNussbaum I’m currently running 2 Unraid servers with 4 caches each and 120TB per server with 256GB RAM and a small Arc A310 GPU in each for transcoding. One is my primary and the other one I bought as a backup after learning the pricing for backing up to the cloud. I also run all my media services on both for HA. I’m not really happy with the performance and stability of Unraid. I will keep Unraid as a backup because even if you lose both parity drives and then you lose another drive, you will only lose that one drive, opposed to the entire array. So I’m going to convert one of them to TrueNAS for file storage, and add another array to run iSCSI for my gaming PCs and VMs running on another 2 Proxmox servers which also run my media services and homelab projects. As part of that change and because of how TrueNAS works, I’ll be doubling the RAM to 500GB to start because I run TrueNAS as a VM in one of my Proxmox servers with 500GB RAM and it ate almost the whole thing. ZFS devours memory for caching. I adore that feature.
@@RonnyNussbaum For my NAS' I ended up getting 2 Supermicro superstorage servers with 36 bays. I bought one at first and then realized there was a 3 month ROI if I bought another one instead of backing up to the cloud, so I did that. Each server currently has a little over 100TB running Unraid, 256GB RAM, and 4 x 4TB NVMe cache drives, s small Arc A320, and 2 x 10GB NICs. I'm not really happy with the performance for Unraid, but I do like their apps, as well as the fact that even if you lose the 2 parity drives, and then you lose another, you only lose the data on that disk, rather than the entire array. So I am converting my backup server to TrueNAS, adding another 256GB RAM, adding another array for iSCSI o my Proxmox cluster can use fast iSCSI on TrueNAS as Unraid doesn't have this. TrueNAS will end up being my primary NAS backing up my media to Unraid and both backing up my configs and important files to my Synology.
I have a DS119J which is far to slow to do anything other than backup photo and access files on the fly. I have been looking to upgrade for some time but am put off by the huge price - focused on DS224+. Wonder if I really need that. Main goal is to backup photos of family mobiles and pc laptop files. Store all historic photographs and some videos. Now that Google Photos is charging and limits of 15gb reached, I need something that works equally as well, which Synology Photos may or may not do. I am by no means an techy expert but can get around and like Synology. Should I remain with Synology or are there other better alternatives?
Why not just go with the 223j if all you need is storage space?
Just got six (6) RS4016's (for a temp NAS solution) and was not at all happy about buying synology SDD's and Memory. Come on. The next batch for the data center will not be Synology.
What 4-bay NAS would you recommend for a new NAS user like me? preferred a friendly budget NAS under AU$1000 (Australian), what are the things to consider before i buy a NAS?
These are my overall suggestions for NAS devices: www.wundertech.net/what-synology-nas-to-buy/
dose this apply
Me who just bought a synology... Nah but I really don't care about hardware. I have a personal server I run plex on, I just wanted a stable NAS to keep my data cozy and Synology Surveilance looks like a great program I wanted to try out.
XPENology is what I’ve been using for years, no issues. Even if I did, I can replace the parts!
Same here. I have a Dell PowerEdge T330 with 8 3,5 hot swap bays. And two more disk on the DVD bays, one Nvme 2TB used as storage volume, 64GB of RAM, and a lot of PCI slots free. On idle consumes 84w. It cost me around 150€ total. The Synology machines on that price range, has really really bad hardware.
thanks for this video as i'm currently looking to buy into my first NAS. i wanna go with a synology as i wanna get something that works out of the box without me setting up too much. i was wondering if there would be new models coming soon so i'm currently waiting to hold out on buying until october or so. for the 923+ and the transcoding issue i was thinking of getting a Zimaboard to use for the transcoding tasks
Get an N100 based NUC and load Ubuntu. I haven't looked at the price of a Zima, but for $160 you can get an N100 including a Windows pro license and 2.5 gb ethernet. Plex transcoding is just better on Linux. This is what I did.
@@john_in_phoenixthanks for the feedback. From what I could find the price ranges from 119 to 199 dollars depending on the ram you want
i've said it multiple times, synology had it easy for way too many years, and now is paying off, terramaster and ugreen are gonna kick their asses and i'm gonna enjoy it
I need to look into Ugreen, See what they have.
Getting near the time to replace my DS1019+, Want to go bigger next NAS at least 8 bay with possibility to add expander later if needed.
@@ShaneMcGrath. i think a server might be the best option at that point, but the 8 bay unit from ugreen is pretty powerful too
In addition to UGREEN, you can also choose 极空间, which is really great!
@@imoak3820 what is even that lol
I have a 1821+. Pretty sure i won't upgrade. 30% increase really won't do anything for me because its cpu usage is already very low & I have upgraded the nic to a dual 10Gbe nic (spf+). The only thing that would be nice if they went back to intel (for quicksync) granted i know synology had a bad taste in their mouth from the previous atom CPUs that were failing. I went with a n100 mini computer for plex & its a transcoding beast. I sure hope they change the crap move of showing errors when your not using a synology branded drive. They should just do that if they detect you are using a smr drive.
Cpus are advancing very fast the last few years. A stronger Cpu cannot cost that much.
Having my main NAS in my living room I wonder if their next generation of CPU's won't need bigger fans/fanspeed. I would prefer at least one 4-bay NAS with a more modest CPU that can run very quiet.
why i can't find any video about UGreen NAS on you channel
With the drop of HEVC support, it looks like transcoding might be gone 😅
Didn't expect that one 🤦🤣
If they would do a mere refresh for the 15xx, 16xx and 18xx models, that would mean a competitive device in this line won't be released until 2027. I don't think they can afford that. I expect some completely new devices from Synology 2nd half of 2024, that would also explain why the refresh of the 16xx and 18xx took so long.
I really hope so!
Have a 918+ and waiting for that new 1824+ to drop this fall. No?
Since my home lab is developing I'm wondering if I should just build a NAS instead. I love synology but the lackluster hardware leaves a lot to be desired when thinking about a five year use case. If I built my own it will be years ahead and so last as many more.
@@ckckck12 If it will be released this fall it will be an 1825+, but yes, the 16xx and 18xx models are first in line to be replaced.
@@jasperverkroost ahh that explains the date my 918+ was released...
Yeah I sure hope they've got fast nic and better processors. If they don't have that I can't justify spending the money on it when I could build a truenas with future proof hardware for a better price. Now that I take my home lab more seriously the ease of use of Synology isn't really top of the list anymore.
Synology is a private company and does not have publicly traded stock1. Therefore, it does not have a stock price.
I didn't bring up stock prices, but all companies have a valuation and the goal is to increase that. There are still shareholders, even if it's not publically traded.
Benn waiting for ages now for them to release a new 8 bay for home users, My 5 bay is getting old and don't think it's worth adding an expansion unit to it, Would rather just replace with a newer 8 bay NAS, Synology needs to hurry up as I am very tempted to switch brands.
QNAP and ASUSTOR may not have the best software but their hardware is above Synology, We should be getting more than 1GbE ports as standard even if it's just 2.5GbE that way they can still sell their 10GbE add in cards for those who need it.
So probably still incremental updates with ancient hardware. Why is it the worst time to buy synology now? Reading the title, I thought synology finally will catch in hardware.
I am purely guessing it'll be an incremental upgrade but I am having a hard time thinking it'll be anything more. My thought process is if you're in the market for a new NAS, just wait until the end of the year (unless you absolutely must have it) and see what they come out with, if anything.
Is there a better option?
Right now, no, but hopefully new devices later this year - with that said, just a total guess.
Another great video, thanks
I believe nowadays transcoding is no longer necessary within a LAN
Getting a cheap minipc and having transcoding done on it solves the problem for those who need it anyways