Ask any Wi-Fi engineer - we use wired connections whenever possible. I have designed 100s of wireless networks, and even with the latest latest standards (Wi-Fi 6/7), poor network designs leads to poor performance. Marketeers play with the numbers (for example, aggregating throughput numbers of both the 2.4 and 5GHz radios - the client device can only hook to ONE access point at a time - except maybe Wi-Fi 7, but that's a different discussion). I know this video is about NAS performance, but I couldn't let an opportunity to chat about Wi-Fi go by.
@DRKDNCR I'm not a sysadmin but I do that same thing, but with SME gear. I can't think of having any network issues, apart from needing to replace the switch fan for a silent one.
It’s surprising how poor WiFi really is, even WiFi 6 compared to 1gig wired connection. I never realized how bad it was for years because my internet connection wasn’t very fast so wifi wasn’t the controlling factor, but once I got a nas I have my work computer on a wired connection and my laptop and phone on wifi and can tell a definite difference. I started out with my work computer on WiFi until I realized how much it was slowing me down then I ran Ethernet cable to my office and am much happier.
True that. There's even an old obsolete drywall, not found in any modern home, that is reinforced with metal mesh instead of plastic. The net effect of this drywall is to turn your room into a Faraday Cage. Good luck getting Wi-Fi signals in that room. Might as well put your phone in the microwave, which is also a Faraday Cage.
Before watching the video just seeing the thumbnail - I thought a Synology could support usb3 2,5gbit+ lan Adapters - I tried it and guess what…. Doesn’t work ;) - not recognized- worth a try though. Love your channel. Actually your channel brought me to synology and now I’m a syno partner and using them for my customers.
Of course it works. Asus USB-C2500 and drivers for Realtek can be found by entering the words "realtek github synology" I have 218+ myself and it works
depends on your NAS model, and depends on the adapter, it has to have a specific Realtek chip and you have to install special non official drivers into DSM, available on Github, it wont be recognised with out those being in place. I had one working for quite a while, but after it kept being broken by DSM upgrades I just didn't bother keeping up with it.
I bought similar moca adapters on Amazon recently rated at 2.5Gbps and I got greater than 1 Gpbs local network speed test.. They work in a one-to-many configuration over your home’s coax network, with one box at the switch and one at each endpoint. They communicate through most newer coax splitters if they meet their spec. Many homes built in the last 30 years have coax in many rooms and a multi tap splitter in the attic. This is much better than wifi and much easier than running new catX for most use cases, such as around the 1st floor of a 2 story house.
I did this on my old DS218+ to upgrade the default 1G Ethernet speed to 2.5G and it works great but I'm not getting the full 2.5G bandwidth. More like around 1.8G-2G but that is still a lot better than 1G speeds. My tip though for others is still try to use the 1G connection on your NAS as your primary way for accessing your NAS and have the 2.5G USB to Ethernet dongle for SMB transfers. I say this because whenever your NAS reboots, Synology DSM seems to disconnect the 2.5G USB dongle and you will have no access to your NAS until you restart the Realtek service again through DSM. If you have the 2.5G USB dongle as your only way to access your NAS, then you won't be able to after rebooting it.
I have an ASUS USB-C2500 and DS218+ and I have no problems with restarting. I have a full bandwidth of 2.5GB. The cheapest switch from Ali for $30 2.5GB
MoCA is great, but don’t forget also that nearly all old houses are wired for telephone, and that telephone wiring is almost invariably CAT-3. We used this to provide an additional WiFi hotspot in our carriage barn, which was too far from the house for reliable WiFi, and it works great. It’s not going to be a 1 Gbps connection, but even 10-30 Mbps wired connections are better than unreliable WiFi at a distance.
Most Syology NASes that have USB 3 built-in support usb 2.5 ethernet cards. I've tried it with my old ds418play and it works great. The installation process is not simple but not very complicated either
Same here, copying from LAN-only connected to PC to NAS suddenly only gives me around 11Mbps, which is the same as my internet speed. No matter if I copy from PC through DSM or through windows explorer. No idea why.
Thank you! But I have seen many of your videos but one important dealbreaker remains unsolved for me. No matter what I do, my remote access download speed from the NAS to the client device is super slow. I am not on QuickConnect (connected directly through DDNS). The download speed from it is around 1 MB/s. The NAS is on 1000/1000 fiber, the router confirms 1000 Mbit connection through the cat7 cable. The client device is on 5G (approx 100 Mbit download). There is only 1 client device. The NAS is not doing anything in the background. I hope you can give some feedback or address this better in a video. Thank you.
I have a 1522 with a 10gb card installed tried to transfer from a new MacBook Pro using a 2.5gb Ethernet/usb adapter but couldn’t figure out how to change the MTU (dimmed option)…. Transfer speed was extremely slow. Wish you had shown changing settings on MacBook
I noticed a significant speed difference when uploading a large folder with files from my Mac. There the Finder upload was very slow and failed while uploading via the browser was relatively fast. BTW I have AFP disabled…
Hey Spacerex! Looking to format my PC and buy a bigger SSD to sync all my synology files to. Instead of syncing all the files using drive at first, could I use smb to transfer my whole home to a place on my PC, and THEN somehow sync that folder using synology drive? Guess that would be faster than syncing 4tb of files using the drive client. Thanks
I found that adding an SSD cache was a vastly better performance improvement than either WiFi → Wired or 1 Gbps → 2.5 Gbps. The thing is that in a single-user scenario at least, upping the network bandwidth only helps when you're transferring very large files, if instead you're working with a large number of smaller files the overheads from the clients navigating directory structures, opening/closing files, etc., mean you can't saturate even 1 Gbps.
I have an SHR setup with 3 drives getting ~450MB/s write speeds over my 10GbE wired connection. How much faster would it be if I added a 4th or 5th drive?
Interestingly I could get SMB multi to work with 1gb and wifi6. But it doesn't work with 1gb and 2.5gb. On the Internet it says both connections need to be the same.
Great ideas.... maybe at some point you can go over 10GB... I recently upgraded to a TPlink 10GB 5 port switch and 2 TPlink network adapters and the Synology 10GB card for my 1522+ speed tests say about 9GB but practical used is about 4GB Granted it is much faster but I have about $500 invested in my 10GB network I would like to see more than half the advertised rate.
I am getting 20Mb/s upload speed to my NAS with SMB, does anybody know what could it be? I've already followed several tutorials and can't find a solution. My PC is wired to a Deco M9 MESH access point, and this access point transfers the wifi signal to another access point, which is wired to my router. Every LAN is in Gigabit, and even though the connection is wireless between the MESH access points, my internet connection is 300Mb/s (the maximum that my ISP provides). So I find it odd that on the local network, my transfer speed is limited to 20Mb/s.
@@SpaceRexWill Thank you for your answer. Is the wifi speed related to my ISP provider? I thought on local network, we could connect to the NAS via wifi directly. Deco m9 uses 802.11ac wifi, and it says it transmits at a top speed of 1300 Mbps.
So your deco will say it can do this that it can't do in a real world configuration. 20MB/s over wifi is pretty decent. You are being bottlenecked by going over wifi. You could get a wired connection to speed everything up
@@SpaceRexWill Thank you very much. Sadly, I can't get a wired connection here in my office, the router isn't here, and it doesn't have a cable for coax neither. I did try CPL, but the speed was pretty bad. Best thing I could do was the MESH. At least now I know I am at the top speed for my configuration. Thank you very much, again.
The 2Gb USB Ethernet adapter was throttling my upload speed to 50MBps instead of the 110MBps that I would get normally using the Ethernet on my Motherboard. I would not recommend the adapter.
Hi Rex, I love your vids, all very helpful and informative, including this one, but at 7:40 when you talk of 1/2.5/10Gbe - when are you going to call out Synology for their dogged determination to keep us pegged at the ancient 1Gbe level? It's a disgrace, and a very weird business decision to keep this very old tech going in these VERY expensive tiny boxes! Why are their head so burried in the sand? Almost everyone (seemingly except you!) is so amzed, and angry, that they're STILL not giving us a faster connection capability - sure, they'll sell us their VERY expensoive 2.5/10Gbe AiC, but at least they should give us 2.5 as a bare minimum in, at least the mid range products, like the 923+ on your desk. I have a 920+, and was about to buy the 923+ at launch, as I mistakenly thought Synology would have woken up to all the complaints, and put 2.5Gbe in the 923+, but no, still the ancient 1Gbe!! WAKE UP Synology! My PC and switch are both 2.5, and you mention using a 2.5/10Gbe USB dongle, but HOW to we integrate that into our 1Gbe NAS's? Another video is called for here Rex, IMO.
encryption is a massive bottleneck for me when it comes to synology even on 10GBe and everything configured nicely the encryption speed of written data is not up to scratch
"Everything you buy is probably 1GB ", No, everything you buy is already 2.5GB, only in the Synology world is 1GB, the standard now is 2.5, is not because that Synology is obsolete that the rest of the world didn't move on.
@@wojtek-33 Overpriced? What we don't lack is 2.5GB switches below 100 bucks, even so, all motherboards are now 2.5GB, just connect the NAS directly if needed, and the other port of the NAS to the router, is only the Obsolete Synology NAS that don't have 2 x 2.5GB, most of the other NAS brands I see out there are now with 2 x 2.5GB.
You are my go-to man for all my Synology questions. Appreciate it
Yes he is awesum
MoCA is fantastic. I use it. It works flawlessly.
This is such an amazing and rich video. I have been using my DS220+ and before DS218j for years now and this is still helpful. Keep up the good work.
Ask any Wi-Fi engineer - we use wired connections whenever possible. I have designed 100s of wireless networks, and even with the latest latest standards (Wi-Fi 6/7), poor network designs leads to poor performance. Marketeers play with the numbers (for example, aggregating throughput numbers of both the 2.4 and 5GHz radios - the client device can only hook to ONE access point at a time - except maybe Wi-Fi 7, but that's a different discussion). I know this video is about NAS performance, but I couldn't let an opportunity to chat about Wi-Fi go by.
I'm a systems admin, I have Ethernet on everything throughout my household using enterprise grade tech. I only use wifi for cell phones and tablets!
@DRKDNCR I'm not a sysadmin but I do that same thing, but with SME gear. I can't think of having any network issues, apart from needing to replace the switch fan for a silent one.
@@davidunwin7868 I have a dedicated comms room with air con and fiber to the home.
It’s surprising how poor WiFi really is, even WiFi 6 compared to 1gig wired connection. I never realized how bad it was for years because my internet connection wasn’t very fast so wifi wasn’t the controlling factor, but once I got a nas I have my work computer on a wired connection and my laptop and phone on wifi and can tell a definite difference. I started out with my work computer on WiFi until I realized how much it was slowing me down then I ran Ethernet cable to my office and am much happier.
True that. There's even an old obsolete drywall, not found in any modern home, that is reinforced with metal mesh instead of plastic. The net effect of this drywall is to turn your room into a Faraday Cage. Good luck getting Wi-Fi signals in that room. Might as well put your phone in the microwave, which is also a Faraday Cage.
Thanks for this. Love the channel
Before watching the video just seeing the thumbnail - I thought a Synology could support usb3 2,5gbit+ lan Adapters - I tried it and guess what…. Doesn’t work ;) - not recognized- worth a try though. Love your channel. Actually your channel brought me to synology and now I’m a syno partner and using them for my customers.
Of course it works. Asus USB-C2500 and drivers for Realtek can be found by entering the words "realtek github synology" I have 218+ myself and it works
depends on your NAS model, and depends on the adapter, it has to have a specific Realtek chip and you have to install special non official drivers into DSM, available on Github, it wont be recognised with out those being in place. I had one working for quite a while, but after it kept being broken by DSM upgrades I just didn't bother keeping up with it.
I bought similar moca adapters on Amazon recently rated at 2.5Gbps and I got greater than 1 Gpbs local network speed test.. They work in a one-to-many configuration over your home’s coax network, with one box at the switch and one at each endpoint. They communicate through most newer coax splitters if they meet their spec. Many homes built in the last 30 years have coax in many rooms and a multi tap splitter in the attic. This is much better than wifi and much easier than running new catX for most use cases, such as around the 1st floor of a 2 story house.
Great post - thanx Rex !👍👍👍👍👍
I did this on my old DS218+ to upgrade the default 1G Ethernet speed to 2.5G and it works great but I'm not getting the full 2.5G bandwidth. More like around 1.8G-2G but that is still a lot better than 1G speeds. My tip though for others is still try to use the 1G connection on your NAS as your primary way for accessing your NAS and have the 2.5G USB to Ethernet dongle for SMB transfers. I say this because whenever your NAS reboots, Synology DSM seems to disconnect the 2.5G USB dongle and you will have no access to your NAS until you restart the Realtek service again through DSM. If you have the 2.5G USB dongle as your only way to access your NAS, then you won't be able to after rebooting it.
I have an ASUS USB-C2500 and DS218+ and I have no problems with restarting. I have a full bandwidth of 2.5GB. The cheapest switch from Ali for $30 2.5GB
Thanks a lot for for your videos! They are very appreciated :)
MoCA is great, but don’t forget also that nearly all old houses are wired for telephone, and that telephone wiring is almost invariably CAT-3. We used this to provide an additional WiFi hotspot in our carriage barn, which was too far from the house for reliable WiFi, and it works great. It’s not going to be a 1 Gbps connection, but even 10-30 Mbps wired connections are better than unreliable WiFi at a distance.
Super helpful, thank you!
Most Syology NASes that have USB 3 built-in support usb 2.5 ethernet cards. I've tried it with my old ds418play and it works great. The installation process is not simple but not very complicated either
Anyway you can make an updated video how to use webstation with the new dsm?
@Spacerex Any real positives or negatives to "bonding" the two 1GB ports together?
I'm using a USB to 2.5Gbe USB Adapter for my NAS. So I don't need a 10Gbe card. Works fine with my old DS 916+.
What are your thoughts on link aggregation / bonded connections?
Im stuck at 11MB/s hardwired. ive gotten 30+ over wifi previously. not sure what changed...
Same here, copying from LAN-only connected to PC to NAS suddenly only gives me around 11Mbps, which is the same as my internet speed.
No matter if I copy from PC through DSM or through windows explorer. No idea why.
Nice tips. Thank you.
What about the possibility of LAAG? Would it be too advanced for this video maybe?
Thank you Will. Just wired my home with fiber and 10gbe along with udm/unifi stuff. Speed is good compared to 1gbe ☺️from Sweden
Thank you! But I have seen many of your videos but one important dealbreaker remains unsolved for me. No matter what I do, my remote access download speed from the NAS to the client device is super slow. I am not on QuickConnect (connected directly through DDNS). The download speed from it is around 1 MB/s. The NAS is on 1000/1000 fiber, the router confirms 1000 Mbit connection through the cat7 cable. The client device is on 5G (approx 100 Mbit download). There is only 1 client device. The NAS is not doing anything in the background. I hope you can give some feedback or address this better in a video. Thank you.
I have a 1522 with a 10gb card installed tried to transfer from a new MacBook Pro using a 2.5gb Ethernet/usb adapter but couldn’t figure out how to change the MTU (dimmed option)…. Transfer speed was extremely slow. Wish you had shown changing settings on MacBook
I noticed a significant speed difference when uploading a large folder with files from my Mac. There the Finder upload was very slow and failed while uploading via the browser was relatively fast. BTW I have AFP disabled…
Can you make a video on how to expand NAS storage from a 2 disk bay to a 4 without losing data?
Like, you have a 4 bay chassis with only 2 disks currently in it?
@@OwenIverson no, I have a 2 bay wanting to get a 4 bay
Hey Spacerex! Looking to format my PC and buy a bigger SSD to sync all my synology files to.
Instead of syncing all the files using drive at first, could I use smb to transfer my whole home to a place on my PC, and THEN somehow sync that folder using synology drive? Guess that would be faster than syncing 4tb of files using the drive client. Thanks
Many many many experienced people forget about asymmetrical internet connection at home :)
I found that adding an SSD cache was a vastly better performance improvement than either WiFi → Wired or 1 Gbps → 2.5 Gbps. The thing is that in a single-user scenario at least, upping the network bandwidth only helps when you're transferring very large files, if instead you're working with a large number of smaller files the overheads from the clients navigating directory structures, opening/closing files, etc., mean you can't saturate even 1 Gbps.
I have an SSD Cache and have noticed a much faster response time and have upgraded to a 2.5GbE NIC
25:20 "upgrading to fiber can make a NASsive difference"
I have an SHR setup with 3 drives getting ~450MB/s write speeds over my 10GbE wired connection. How much faster would it be if I added a 4th or 5th drive?
Interestingly I could get SMB multi to work with 1gb and wifi6. But it doesn't work with 1gb and 2.5gb.
On the Internet it says both connections need to be the same.
does 7.2.2 kill usb nic?
Great ideas.... maybe at some point you can go over 10GB... I recently upgraded to a TPlink 10GB 5 port switch and 2 TPlink network adapters and the Synology 10GB card for my 1522+
speed tests say about 9GB but practical used is about 4GB
Granted it is much faster but I have about $500 invested in my 10GB network I would like to see more than half the advertised rate.
I am getting 20Mb/s upload speed to my NAS with SMB, does anybody know what could it be? I've already followed several tutorials and can't find a solution. My PC is wired to a Deco M9 MESH access point, and this access point transfers the wifi signal to another access point, which is wired to my router. Every LAN is in Gigabit, and even though the connection is wireless between the MESH access points, my internet connection is 300Mb/s (the maximum that my ISP provides). So I find it odd that on the local network, my transfer speed is limited to 20Mb/s.
Ah. So your WiFi speed is 300 mbit. The transfer speed is in MB/s. So 300mbiy WiFi could do 30MB/s
And WiFi always is slower
@@SpaceRexWill Thank you for your answer. Is the wifi speed related to my ISP provider? I thought on local network, we could connect to the NAS via wifi directly. Deco m9 uses 802.11ac wifi, and it says it transmits at a top speed of 1300 Mbps.
So your deco will say it can do this that it can't do in a real world configuration.
20MB/s over wifi is pretty decent. You are being bottlenecked by going over wifi. You could get a wired connection to speed everything up
@@SpaceRexWill Thank you very much. Sadly, I can't get a wired connection here in my office, the router isn't here, and it doesn't have a cable for coax neither. I did try CPL, but the speed was pretty bad. Best thing I could do was the MESH. At least now I know I am at the top speed for my configuration. Thank you very much, again.
The 2Gb USB Ethernet adapter was throttling my upload speed to 50MBps instead of the 110MBps that I would get normally using the Ethernet on my Motherboard. I would not recommend the adapter.
Hi Rex, I love your vids, all very helpful and informative, including this one, but at 7:40 when you talk of 1/2.5/10Gbe - when are you going to call out Synology for their dogged determination to keep us pegged at the ancient 1Gbe level? It's a disgrace, and a very weird business decision to keep this very old tech going in these VERY expensive tiny boxes! Why are their head so burried in the sand? Almost everyone (seemingly except you!) is so amzed, and angry, that they're STILL not giving us a faster connection capability - sure, they'll sell us their VERY expensoive 2.5/10Gbe AiC, but at least they should give us 2.5 as a bare minimum in, at least the mid range products, like the 923+ on your desk. I have a 920+, and was about to buy the 923+ at launch, as I mistakenly thought Synology would have woken up to all the complaints, and put 2.5Gbe in the 923+, but no, still the ancient 1Gbe!! WAKE UP Synology!
My PC and switch are both 2.5, and you mention using a 2.5/10Gbe USB dongle, but HOW to we integrate that into our 1Gbe NAS's? Another video is called for here Rex, IMO.
Slow? My DS1821+ it's a beast!
encryption is a massive bottleneck for me when it comes to synology even on 10GBe and everything configured nicely the encryption speed of written data is not up to scratch
mmkay speed.
Truenas, all the way.. way less problems than I am reading here.
"Everything you buy is probably 1GB ", No, everything you buy is already 2.5GB, only in the Synology world is 1GB, the standard now is 2.5, is not because that Synology is obsolete that the rest of the world didn't move on.
TP Link Omada gear has only just upgraded off 1gbps ports, but the price is ridiculous.
The standard is definitely not 2.5, but it's getting there. Switches are still way overpriced.
@@wojtek-33 Overpriced? What we don't lack is 2.5GB switches below 100 bucks, even so, all motherboards are now 2.5GB, just connect the NAS directly if needed, and the other port of the NAS to the router, is only the Obsolete Synology NAS that don't have 2 x 2.5GB, most of the other NAS brands I see out there are now with 2 x 2.5GB.
@@wojtek-33Just bought 8x2.5Gbit + 10Gbit SFP+ for €25…
Don't get offended, but what does this episode bring new to the topic compared to what you shared some time ago? Are you running out of topics?
Gotta keep making videos man! :D