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- Not even Spa could give us any rain but there was still plenty to talk about from the Belgian Grand Prix. Matt and Tommy discuss Ricciardo and Gasly's incredible drives, if Bottas can ever prove he's a title contender and much more!
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i kid you not. after bottas’ feeble attempt at spa, i was watching origins of the silver war and the silver war just to revisit what a competitor nico rosberg was. his staunch defiance against lewis and his ability to upset lewis’s zen mode is commendable and moreover unlike bottas, he always had the ability to lurk behind hamilton or pressurise him. tommy’s analysis was exactly what was going through my mind.
Jesus TV totally agree man... for me 2014 and 2016 season were just awesome. it brought me back to f1, was off it for a very long time. the lewis-rosberg story is an incredible human story
@Jesus TV
th-cam.com/video/UA994NvTYWY/w-d-xo.html Australia 2015 Nico was 6 tenths slower in quali. Finishes 2nd.
th-cam.com/video/I8pHn5q0oBc/w-d-xo.html Bahrain 2015 nico is 7tenths slower in quali (behind seb in ferrari). Finishes 3rd behind vettel.
This trends continues pretty much all year. So when exactly did nico push lewis except for when his motor kept blowing in 2016? Nico had a 43 point lead in 2016 by monaco. They crashed out in spain.
Nico is indeed a good driver, as is bottas but this notion he pushed lewis more than is quantitatively false. Rosberg was more nefarious and willing to play dirty games, but he was no faster than bottas. Plus lewis of 2016 isn't the same as the monster we have today. Did it every occur to you he's improved since then? Valtteri has a much more difficult job than Nico ever did.
@@Bahamuttiamat watch the silver war videos and you'll understand let's also not forget his winstreak from end of 2015 to beginning of 2016. I think it was like 7 races in a row ? btw i'm a hamilton fan but you can't deny rosberg had way more raw pace and could challenge in races where bottas hasn't shown this at all.
@@liamjanssens7802 I've seen said video and I also watched and have a collection of every single race since 2010. I'm well versed on the season.
Nico was indeed fast but the notion he put up a staunch defence against Lewis isn't true. Most of his wins came when something technical occurred to lewis. He has never overtaken lewis on track for the win. Even in his championship winning season he has less wins/poles and podiums while starting on the front row at every single race bar one.
I hate reiterating, but if lewis had his 2016 levels of bad luck bottas would've won the championship last year.
@@Bahamuttiamat Agreed. Also, IMHO, Nico's much of "racecraft" was dodgy, often over the line unsportsmanlike crap. (Not always, but often enough)
I said it before, and I'll say it again, I believe that Lewis has more difficulties in changing his post winning speeches, than he does actually winning the race.
Haha, underrated comment.
"31 years old and don't look a day over fetus" 😂
That is what he said yes
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🤣🤣🤣
The way Tommy just doesn't even react made it funnier to me lol
i read this as matt said it, and it was...............epic
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I live in Canada, I woke up at 8 am on a Sunday after a drink heavy night. I saw the beginning of the race, no rain, the Mercedes in front. I went back to sleep and have no regret.
Try Australia at Midnight
The same to me here in Southamerica... I just tried to stay awake but failed very easily and... regret nothing.
6 am in Arizona, also went back to sleep, also no ragrets
I watched the highlights
Problem, here in Europe, we have already wasted more than half our Sunday before the race starts.
My late three word race review:
"Let Ferrari Cheat" .
let everyone cheat til we have an actual fight for wins and the championship haha
@@lena_ng3654 haha yeah everyone except Mercedes can be allowed to cheat lol
Gordon Freeman and he still would complain about everything
Let Mercedes chat too then. 😊
I agree. Let them cheat. atleast for monza because it will PAINFUL to watch.
Bottas and Albon comparison: I highly disagree with them being compared to each other. Bottas can beat Hamilton in Qualy, Bottas can sometimes beat Hamilton in the race. When would you ever see this from Albon, he's miles off, I'm sorry. Just because Bottas got those 5 tenths in Belgium doesn't make it the standard as it is at RB.
Bottas is much better. He is one of the most experienced drivers on the grid and has proved himself in Williams by convinsingly beating Massa 3 times on the bounce. Albon hasn’t proved anything and I’m pretty sure he didn’t win a thing in junior formulas.
but the point is that Bottas slightly gets away with it, because the Mercedes is light years ahead of anyone else
if Mercedes was a similar standard to the RedBull, then Bottas is suddenly starting around P4 or P5, and suddenly it's not as easy for him
I admit that Albon doesn't have the Bottas Russia/Australia version, where he can hook it up, but they're very similar in that regard as an obvious #2
I believe that Sainz will also be in that boat when he moves to Ferrari (reliable #2 driver behind LeClerc), but will wait and see on that
How long has bottas been racing in f1?
DDTV213 This is Bottas’s 9th season whilst it’s Albons 2nd...you cant really compare them
@@kj48tiger yes you can, they are in top team so you need to treat them like that. If they aren't ready yet (which is fine), they shouldn't be in a top team. I gave him a full year at RB to show that he can improve and he just didn't. I like him, but it's not enough (yet). He should be at AlphaTauri developing.
Rosberg be like “you can’t be as fast as Hamilton... but you can be smarter then him”. From cars 3
Leading from your point at 3:00, Bottas has only ever won 1 race when Hamilton started on pole.
& Hamilton has had pole 32 times since they've been teammates.....
Wtf no way!!!!
Only Australia 2019...right?
Even then he led into turn 1. The guys originally ask at 17:30 whether Bottas has ever won a race having not led Hamilton into turn 1.
Matt_Dobson06 USA 2019, he passed Lewis on track, although Ham was on a different strategy and wouldn’t have been able to hold position long anyway.
Grace Lord Bottas was ahead of Hamilton into turn 1 in that race
Yep! Rosberg is underrated
Yep rosebud is low life and a coward can't compete period
@@jameskabo1028 so hamilton and shumi got beat by a low life coward that cant compete.. nice
Gabriel Mulamba he still beat him once
Ham won the last 6 races and that is why rosebug retired he knew that the beast has been unleashed and could not win anymore. Rosebug is a coward for retiring he is a pussy
@@jameskabo1028 Correction, last 4 races
Its crazy to even think about, that if Ricciardo was still at Red Bull, they could genuinely be in a fight for the constructor title
Lol no
@@antheusmain Hundred percent yes. Ricciardo WAS Red Bull. For sure Max is the quicker driver, but as the comment above says, you can be slower than someone and be better, because you can be smart. Ultimately Ricciardo was that guy. He got into Max's defenses and shredded them. If it wasn't for his DNFs Red Bull defo could have won 2018s constructors.
If you believe like that why haven’t they achieved it in the last 6 years? Next time consider thinking before writing something.
The fact there’s no one pushing Lewis to be his best yet he’s still miles ahead is absolute proof he’s the greatest of all time. Bottas is a great driver but so underwhelming compared to Rosberg. At the last two circuits Nico and Hamilton have had iconic moments together whilst the current Mercs barely see each other on track.
You just said the fact that Lewis is miles ahead of bottas means he's the greatest of all time. Seriously? That's all you need?
Just last night I was watching a video with 1991 race winner Ayrton Senna chewing out rookie F1 driver Eddie Irvine (during the post race interview) for unprofessional driving. The wide camera shot showed the three podium finishers, 1st place, Ayrton Senna, 2nd place Alain Prost, 3rd place Mika Hakkinen. Now that's a podium worth talking about all multi World champions. When you win against that level of competition you can call it truly great. If this were heavyweight boxing and Lewis Hamilton were the title holder, the season's contenders would be called "the bum of the month club". You cannot say GOAT without competition, It's not Lewis' fault that no other team can match the Mercedes onslaught of which LH is rightly the leader. You also make the assumption that if Hamilton was pushed hard he'd be even better, maybe, maybe not he might falter when pushed to the limit week after week. Rosberg did it.
Edit: Just another, 1989 German GP 1st, race winner Ayrton Senna, 2nd place Alain Prost, 3rd place Nigel Mansell, 4th place Riccardo Patrese, 5th place Nelson Piquet. No slight to Patrese but that's 4 out of 5 world champions. This was the level in that era. No criticism to Lewis Hamilton but proof (absolute or otherwise) is what you have done, not what you might do.
Lol no.
I'd say it's more proof of how dominant the Mercedes car is. Lewis is just in cruise mode every race and his only worry is obsessing over the tires. Both Lewis and Bottas pretty much have their car turned down and are still so far ahead of everyone else
@@50gary to be fair, Lewis beat a 4 times champion twice in equal machinery. You can't argue that's NOT competition. Literally no one else has done that
Edit (I say equal because I want to avoid the 2017-2018 Ferrari better or worse argument. I think it's fair to say they were about equal)
The fact that "bring rosberg back" is a trending phrase, 1 week after Bottas signs another deal for next year, I just can't deal with how underwhelming his performance is. And I'm a Lewis fan.
1:35
Tommy : We have the same podium every single weekend.
Monza 2020 : Hold my beer
daniel did deserve dotd just as much, if not more, but i'm very happy pierre got it on such an important and emotionally heavy weekend. i hope it brightened his day a little bit :)
Hamilton is in a league of his own. He gets hate because everyone is mad that there is no racing, but when he retires he will get the respect he deserves. Hamilton has done so much for the sport in regards to equality everyone should respect him.
True..
I think people (teams) should focus on creating a good car & enough talent to beat him, if they don’t want him to always win.
Yes, I don't think much people blame Lewis for being fast but rather Bottas for being "slow". Lewis is a good guy, quite repetitive on his actions but still a good guy. It's sad we didn't appreciate Rosberg as a contender though, the fact he went through much hate in 2016 must have played a big role in his departure, and now we end up having much less fun watching F1.
I think if max was in a Mercedes he would be able to challenge and beat Hamilton fairly regularly so I don't think he's in a league of his own but I think he's the 2nd best if not best driver on the grid and in the fastest car so he could almost never lose
Everyone hates whoever is dominating until they stop. Same happened with Schumi and Seb
Mercedes is on a league of their own, Hamilton just happened to be the best of the two drivers, even maybe of most of the grid but the advantage of having a Mercedes is unbelievable!!!! regarding equality I'm sorry but the guy has no idea if you really want to hear an educated athlete on the subject check Chris Webber speak th-cam.com/video/5JUuOW_sUM8/w-d-xo.html there you have somebody who knows!!!!!
During the Hubert tribute when Gasly was speaking about him I started wondering if Gasly’s resurgence was down to a refocus directly related to the accident. That was the same race he was demoted and I can’t help but think the death of a close friend brought clarity on why he really wants to be in F1.
Rosberg on a thumbnail in 2020, made me smile, thank you guys :)
Your pp makes me smile
People asking for rain....you really want to see hamilton in the rain? Have you not learned? 🤣🤣
This comment is epic... You on legendary level dude!
@FRiCKiNBRiAN its not, it benefits lewis in the rain more unless it comes down to strategy calls then its lvl playing field
In Germany last year he lost his front wing in rain
you remember Germany 2019?
@@oncis96 yes thou... But many driver got off.. You remember sytrian this year... God level drive you remember qualifying hungry 2018
Really like how you guys are pure fans of the sport. We want to make it more competitive to keep watching it and the discussion on "We miss Rosberg" was so on point.
Well the difference between Bottas and Albon is that Bottas almost always either qualifies better or is within a tenth of Hamilton (the quali difference this weekend is the largest I can remember). Albon is consistently half a second down on Max every quali, and his race pace isn't much better, still finishes the race over a minute down and fighting with the junior team.
Ricciardo and Engineer absolute balls of steel sending it on the last lap in 4th!
Can we just get max in that Merc for one race...please
He is gonna crash the car every corner.... Meanwhile he will still be the number 2 driver....
yea lets put max in merc for one race that sounds like a valid idea that will actually happen im sure the teams are ecstatic to see that one through
@@johnayomide4793 At least he can show the _rainmaster_ where the wet lines are.
They desperately need George Russell in that seat! He would give Lewis a run for his money. I actually think he would best Lewis, that's how good I think Russell is. He's a future multi world champ.
@@doubleboy2388 George Russell... Why are you just talking like a crap.... Dude! Russell in the car will be worst than bottas..... No Matter how good he is in F3 and F2
F1 is boring but blaming Mercedes is such a stupid, straw man argument. Other teams simply haven't stepped up within the current rules set, normalising Merc's dominance as a result.
I agree but that isnt going to stop the declining F1 ratings. It's up to the rules then I guess which are unfortunately postponed.
@@NardKoning What guarantee will it reduce mercedes advantage? Weren't the 2017 rules suppose to? You can't guarantee excitement unless you go spec and or BOP. Then it moves into a realm of entertainment over sport.
@@NardKoning I don't deny that. It's an issue but unfortunately rule changes make no guarantee for competition.
It's gonna be like that until Mercedes Is in F1. Daimler group Is by far the biggest and most technologic gruop there Is in F1.
With the budget cap is gonna be even worst due ti the fact that they will have huge technology leakage from stutgard to brakley (something that it's already happening bit without budget cap is not a problema)
You need to learn what a strawwman is kiddo
My three word race review:
Ricciardo deserves better
He deserves a championship contending car , he deserves to win at least one championship
To be fair Hamilton is at his peak and was driving that car to its limit. You could see how much he was leaving the track on those corners. Bottas has room for improvement but currently he is doing a good job. Bottas has also been shielding Hamilton from the others. If Bottas has not been there, the likes of Ricardo would have challenged Hamilton during the drag race
Dat
What we need is lewis Hamilton against vettel back at his best
Even if vettel was at his best, he's still in a ferrari rn :'(
Aaron Barrett for next season... hopefully he goes to Aston martin
We had Hamilton vs Vettel at his best with relatively equal cars 3 times, Vettel won in 2012 Hamilton won in 2017 and 2018 and 2012 wasn’t Hamilton’s fault unlike 2017 and 2018 where Vettels consistent mistakes cost him the title so I don’t think that’s what we need as Hamilton has clearly proved he’s better
I will put my money on Vettel. Vettel is German and Hamilton is an overrated BLM protester with no backbone to not start a race. When all sporters make a statement Hamilton goes like it won't make a difference.
Jo Jo The Crazy Clown Vettel is German, what a great argument 😂
Perez knows exactly where the wall is...he's doing it completely on purpose.
Why on earth would Mercedes give Bottas extra engine power when they're already running 1 & 2?? All it would result in is Hamilton then asking for the same, so the effect is cancelled. Meanwhile they've put both their engines under unnecessary strain to no good benefit, and hobbled themselves should Verstappen subsequently close up.
It's not evidence of Bottas being #2 because they denied it him, it's just common sense on Mercedes' part.
Yes it's absolutely logical from Merc. The point lies with Bottas. Him accepting this shows he doesn't want it enough. Remembering Max's radio messages etc, do you think he would have asked permission? He would have used it and perhaps rather crash out both cars rather than lose points relative to Ham. Again, fully understand that Merc doesn't want this but Bottas doesn't have it in him to be an egoist.
@@NardKoning I'm not entirely sure how those modes work, but I don't think the drivers can engage them without some corresponding input from the garage. If it were left entirely to the discretion of the drivers they'd abuse it and burn out the engine. I stand to be corrected though.
I have watched races where Verstappen has literally begged for more power from the team - which suggests he's not fully independent in being able to utilise it at will.
@@kholui I believe they can. Hamilton used them against Rosberg in Bahrain that year they fought, without permission.
Another piece of info that’s important is that the merc has precedent for denying them using the mode against each other.
In austria (1st race) Hamilton asked to use the mode against Bottas but the team said no.
@@kholui Teams are forbidden from being able to actually adjust things on the car from the garage - thats why they call out specific engine modes or strats when the cars die, they've got the data coming off the car and can request a specific mode to try and save the engine, but they cant change the mode from the garage. If they could they wouldn't be saying as much as they do over the radio.
The reason it seems that Max was unable to use the mode is that whilst he might desperately want it, he knows that if the power is boosted the engine takes a hit, so he has to respect the teams decision to save the engine despite how much he might disagree with the decision at the time.
31?!?!?! He looks about 12 😅 you have to tell us what moisturiser you're using Tommy!!
I think Russell should come into Mercedes, he has the motivation & personality to challenge Lewis. I don’t quite like bringing back old drivers when there’s clearly young talent. Lewis is obviously talented (league of his own) but sometimes it’s redundant when no one is giving him a solid challenge. P.s. I’m a LH fan.
I think you would see a Max and Albion type thing going on with Russel being a few tenths behind LH and then the media would hound Russel (maybe not cause he’s British) but I think he’ll take it for the new regs 2022
In my best Ricciardo impression.
“Psst, Tommy, do you even have pubes yet?”
Regarding the Giovinazzi and Russell incident, I just can't understand how it wasn't a red flag situation when in FP2 the red flag came out because an advertising board fell onto the circuit.
In Free Practice they use the red flag more freely, in the race it has to be a last resort since it's way bigger deal
Well it's pretty pointless having a Safety Car or full course yellow flag in practice. The drivers would just return to the pits anyway, so you might as well use a red flag. I agree though that it should have been a red flag during the race.
There was a tweet saying that your podcast is now more entertaining than the actual race. Sad but absolutely true.
Renault is now where Williams a few years ago. Supremely good on the relatively low downforce tracks
Early prediction for Monza;
1)Hamilton
2)Bottas
3)Ricciardo
4)Verstappen
5)Stroll
I'm happy to tell you that you got 0 points with that prediction ;)
again it's funny that Botas falls off after getting a contract happens every year
Makes some sense, he's no longer fighting for his seat. I sort of wish that Mercedes wouldn't renew his contract until the end of the season.
@@matt_dobson0614 yea it always happens 3 times now he is doing good then gets a contract renewal and falls off maybe its him or Mercedes telling him what he needs todo to keep his seat
I wasn't expecting Williams to be challenging Ferrari for a few more years but 2020 is a wild year
F1 race: *is dry yet again*
Nascar fans flooding into F1 to explain the vortex theory:
I think in the hybrid era I've only seen 3 drivers overtake and stay ahead of Hamilton on track, on pure pace alone. Vettel has, Austria 2018 from memory, when Hamilton was down on power. Ricciardo has, China 2018, when he had fresh tires and Hamilton had old ones. And Verstappen has, Malaysia 2017, on pure pace alone. I genuinely think that may be the only time. Staggering really.
Bottas has 1 win with Hamilton starting from pole, Australia last year and had the lead going into turn one
That's where the Bottas 2.0 narrative came from
20 years ago I did a gliding course in the Air Tracining Corps (RAF youth organisation). Thermals are a big thing for gliders, it's how thay gain altitude, which is traded off for airspeed. Now one of the things I learned was to look out for concrete/tarmac/roads surronded by natural terrain.The hard surfaces heat up more then the natural surfaces, thus heating the air above providing lift. In a dire low altitude situation you can do cirles above factories/cooling towers or fly along a motorway to gaing height. Additionally clouds have sink in the centre and lift around the perimeter, so its possible the heat above a ractrack prevents clouds forming, although itseems counter intuitive that you notice it more this year without crowds, but i suppose the temperature drops quicker this year when the race ends whilst under normal circumstances, the crowd and their cars going home keep clouds at bay for longer.
No timestamps again. Podcast used to be better with them.
Latifi had a steering issue throughout the race, lots of oversteer when turning right and lots of understeer when turning left which is why it took him a while to get up to pace and the reason why he made a second pit stop. After his second pit stop he was lapping faster than the Ferraris despite the steering issue so I think a D is a bit harsh, even with his poor quali.
You'd be stupid to have Mercedes drivers taking points off each other or taking risks all the while Max is in the mix for the title. A covid outbreak at Mercedes and max could be leading the championship, it's a business and team sport at the end of the day.
Me after Monza: THANK YOU JINXING TOMMY
Gasly could also be heading back to Red Bull. That kid is driving very well at the moment.
Yeah he did pretty good in Monza
I don't even want him to go back there, the risk of him not being much better than last year is too high. he should stay at alpha until he can get a seat at a non rb team
‘...Bottas wouldn’t take advantage of that ..... why would he?’
Lol
Tom literally looks 18-19. Imagine getting ID at a pub at 31 😂
Really enjoy listening to your podcasts guys, thanks a lot for the content 👍
Oh Tommy I wish you would listen to yourself. Christian Horner has said a number of times that wet and dry setups are similar these days.
Lots of young people listen to you guys and think that your well informed about F1.
Brilliant section from Tommy about the whole Bottas/Albon conundrum
Really not. Daniel Ricciardo was beaten by Bottas even when he had the RB seat, and Bottas was only half a second off for this race. He has taken poles and wins and to say that RB would win the constructors if they had danny ricc back is bollocks
I don't think the Bottas to Albon comparison really works. Yes Lewis is in another league compared to VB, but like Matt said VB isn't usually far off in Qualifying and usually within about 10 seconds in a race. Albon is nowhere near Max in Quali or Race pace. If Max can get a podium every weekend in the RB, then Albon should have gotten one by now as well. If Max had a better #2 driver, Red Bull could throw a lot more strategy at Mercedes to spice it up.
Honestly love this podcast/video but is it that hard to have the qualifying and race positions of each weekend ready before you starting recording?
Tommy and Matt 17:58 blame Bottas for having never overtaken Hamilton on pure race pace after the 1st lap (Actually Bottas did so in last years British GP just after Hamilton had overtaken him). Well I can actually never remember Rosberg ever overtaking Hamilton on pure race pace from 2013-2016 (Lewis overtook Rosberg on several occasions). Alonso did not do so in 2007 when Ham was a rookie. Button might have done so but I cannot remeber. My question is why is Bottas taking so much heat for something that none of Hamiltons teammates have ever done?
damudread I can remember one occasion where I’m pretty sure Rosberg overtook him on track on merit, which was US 2015. He subsequently went on to throw the race away by running off track but he did at least make the overtake stick. I wasn’t watching in 2007 and have a terrible memory anyway so don’t know if there are others. Austria 2016 maybe? Although think they were on different strategies.
But yeah, generally speaking Hamilton doesn’t lose to his teammates if he leads them in lap 1, his race pace is usually too good.
It looks like Rosberg is happily retired. All you need is to put in a Mercedes Verstappen, or Leclerc, or Vettel, or Ricciardo, or even Hulkenberg, Perez, Alonso, etc.
Rosberg won 1 WDC and ran.
Hamilton beat him 3 times and two of those were WDC's.
Rosberg wins one and bails, because he knew he couldn't bring himself up to do it again. Which just showcases what kind of monster Hamilton is mentality wise. Even a big battle with one of his best friends and breaking that friendship didn't even stop him. He kept winning.
@Kangyu Ng But it's what happened lol.
Hamilton beats Rosberg 3 times in the same car. First time in the championship. Second and third time he wins the WDC and in the fourth time Rosberg wins after Hamilton suffering more technical issues than him lol. Rosberg wins.... and he's gone. ''To spend time with my family.'' Next season: he's at almost every GP, does tv work for multiple tv networks and makes lots of content for his YT channel. Travelling to many of the races and also having a stake in FE and being there a lot.
@@zpduzghr1301 That's a lie. There's literally zero evidence that a german owned team, who wanted a german born driver, owned by a german car brand wanted a Brit to beat their german driver? Read that out loud, see if it makes sense. At no point did mercedes ever want lewis to beat nico for optics. All they cared about was winning and 1-2s. With all the unreliability of 2016, many fans, including myself questioned if mercedes was trying to gift nico the championship.
www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/04/mercedes-letter-sabotage-lewis-hamilton-f1-toto-wolff
@@zpduzghr1301 Well no, but does God exist? Is there evidence of it? Do you really want to go down the philosophical road?
The difference between "opinion" and facts is evidence. Anyone can say or belief anything but for it to be factual there must be evidence backing it up.
@@zpduzghr1301 ok
@@zpduzghr1301 That's such a crazy conspiracy theory. Seeing how constructors mostly care about the team first. It's a constructors championship first. Making a decision all the way in 2013 or something to make Hamilton ''the best driver ever'' under their team is also a stretch because they never knew how well they'd. People also came and went behind the scenes. Like Ross Brawn and then Toto Wolff. It seems like you're just scraping for anything to make it seem like Mercedes just wanted Hamilton above anything.
Rosberg was a coward. He ran away he should have stayed cuz he knew Lewis would have made him smell his own ass nobody forced him to go away.. He was pretty lucky with championship win thou..
People forgetting that it took everything for Rosberg to beat Hamilton, that's the reason he retired right after being champion. And tbf Hamilton is a much better driver now than he was in 2016, but oh well. I just find it weird that this topic only comes with Mercedes and not with Red Bull for example, or with Ferrari when Kimi was in the team and could barely push that car against Vettel.
What do you mean? People also talk about Albon as nr 2 etc. And it's about Merc because typically you need a title fight in a sport. Since nobody is gonna beat the Merc no matter how good they are, Bottas has to provide it.
@@NardKoning Bottas has the bad luck of driving against Hamilton, even if he can't challenge Hamilton he still delivers second and third places all the time, The same can't be said for Albon, Red Bull could give much more of a fight if it had two good drivers. And we're also forgetting that Ferrari lost a lot of form which is distorting the standings this year.
@Jesus TV To the last race but behind in points. 2015 they had similar problems and retirements, but Hamilton was champion with three races to go, it's not like Rosberg lost 75 points due to retirements.
@@kl75182 I agree with you. I don't think the two ponits exclude each other. I mean look how much Ferrari is (rightly so) ridiculed. But simply looking from Bottas' perspective, he is a good driver but its obvious he will not beat Hamilton if Hamiton is concentrated zen mode over the season. So if he is an egotist who really wants it, he will have to start being more of an asshole to the team and not ask permission. Nothing will change for him as he is approaching it now.
@Jesus TV it went down to the last race in 2014 because of a silly double points rule that applied to the last race that year. You can argue it kept the championship alive but it would have also be extremely unfair if that had decided the result
2020: "The race was slightly disappointing"
2021: You guys are racing in SPA???? "cries in 6 Formation Laps"
Rosberg did everything right in his time. He beat The MAN who is still the man to beat right now. Without hamilton as teammate rosberg would have way more championships right now
I think the thing we forget about rosberg is that he was team mates with schumi who was good at mind games so obviously picked up some points
Rosberg and Webber were the most talented #2 drivers of the last 25 years. Change my mind.
Disagree that Rosberg was a number 2 driver
@@luckinout2056 true
Massa 2006/7 and dc aswell
Webber wasnt talented
Coulthard, Massa and Barrichello all had more race wins as #2 drivers than Webber.
I can answer the Bottas turn 1 question, the answer is never. Bottas has never overtaken Hamilton on track with pure pace. He did fight with Hamilton back in Germany 2018 when the safety car from Seb’s crash ended as he was on fresher tires, BUT that only lasted one or two corners if I remember correctly because the first “Valtteri, it’s James, hold position” message occurred
As a Hamilton fan, Rosberg pretty much gave me an ulcer but he’d be welcome as a challenger to Hamilton now
@@dardvader6 every single driver would be at the back driving a williams
@@dardvader6 That's a terrible argument. Put Senna in a Ligier-Lamborghini in 1991 and he'd never win the championship. The best drivers get the best cars.
@@dardvader6 niko had the best car for 3 years took him till 2016 to win the championship and it took everything out of him
@@dardvader6 he still had to work for it by impressing F1 bosses during his junior career. Ron Dennis saw his potential at a young age so I admit he had abit of luck but still earned that seat
@@dardvader6 Nico and Lewis had the exact same cars for the 4 years that they were team mates. Lewis was scouted by McLaren from a young age because he was that good of a driver. And from 2009 to 2013 he had nowhere near the best car, but yet managed to win a race in every single season. He is a way better driver than Nico was. And he never had to resort to foul play to win races and championships unlike Schumacher and Senna.
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if ricciardo was still with red bull would russel already be with mercedes?
Good point, more than likely
Damn good question - I’d love to hear the guys discuss this one!
Also y’all don’t remember Leclerc’s engine had an issue, he had to pit twice to top up his compressed air tank that controls the valves of his engine. He would have been within reach to grab a 10th.
Hamilton has improved since nico retired. I doubt he could do any better against 2020 Hamilton. Ps. Spa was not boring.
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it was a smart choice of rosberg to retire when he did, after lewis lost the championship he completely changed his mentality and improved his driving so much. he didn't want something like that to happen again. rosberg would've never beaten him a second time
Warm air can hold more water and that could be a reason why it starts raining just after the race with everything cooling down and evening starting anyway
Slightly disappointing?! Come on it was woeful. Something needs to change.
That’s what the 22 regs are for we just have to be patient and besides while it wasn’t the best race behind the front 3 it was pretty entertaining tbh
@@michaelmayo2489 We still have 1 more season of this hahaha.... yeah...
change? we are literally changing THE ENTIRE CAR in 2022. It was supposed to be 2021 but things happened
Yes, the other teams have to get faster.
@@GloomGaiGar No one will be watching by 2022
Matt and Tommy, about your conversation about Hubert, how about do a one minute tribute before Practice? That way, you still get closure, you still say goodbye to a driver, yet you don't risk your life in only a couple of seconds. I mean, no race driver will push 100% in practice. They might push 98%, but they won't go that extra 2% to find that extra tenth.
I think if u put Vettel in the merc we’d have killer races
If u put prime vettel in that merc damn that will be a good fight
Max at Mercedes would be intense. And I think Max would edge out Lewis
52:00 - Leclerc was actually put on the softs because they needed to fill the car up with pneumatic pressure, he had a loss of pressure and that's why he was pitted, simple as that - not a strategy call
In the 2000 season, it rained at almost every round.
19:26 we shared a moment matt. I drink my coffee, you your tea. looked each other in the eyes, I felt that.
How is Bottas going to win if Hamilton is better? That's an impossible task.
Love the podcasts! Keep it up lads
"Nico it's James"
apparently on one of the runs up eau rouge hamilton lifted off slightly on the downhill part ,sorta break testing bottas, causing him to not get the run up the straight
The guy on the right (Tommy i think) 18:12 seems to lack a basic understanding of how a team should be run. He seems to think that Mercedes is better off asking the driver who is at number 2 to potentially damage his engine and tires by using extra power. Imagine if Bottas uses that power mode and Lewis responds by using the same button and both end up damaging their tires and engines. How stupid would Merc strategists be if it costs them a 1-2.
If I’m not mistaken. Power modes are decided by the engineers. If they say no idk there is an override button for the drivers.
I feel like the mid field battle is kinda like: RP good on low speed tracks, Renault good on straight lines and McLaren good on high speed corners
Again Tommy and Matt would you call for Max to have a stronger more aggressive team mate if he was in a faster car? I doubt it.
So? It's because Redbull is the second team that the only chance they would have would be with a stronger driver.
And even then: he is in the second best car so every time he's less than fourth that's bad. But even worse is that he only managed to be fourth once this season.
Jasper de Groot Not sure what you mean?
Nice ESP LTD EX (I think) in the background, Tommy!
Bruh, albon has such less experience literally half season in a toro rosso and then directly in a red bull, everyone got at least one season in a toro rosso like jeez relax
I wouldn't blame Albon either. He is in his second season driving a car that was constructed to suit Verstappens driving style for a longer time than Albon is in F1. Another point is that at least the last 2 races Albon was testing the tyres on behalf of Verstappen, cause both strategys were not optimal at all.
Also when Albon overtakes someone its always a risky but good move.
So why have him in F1.. let him get his experience in f2 first then come over.. sick n tired of how much support he is getting when mayb there are other drivers who have that experience n need to b in F1..
@@rrani4061 Ok so lets play this out.... You want to exchange an inexperienced driver, who is currently gaining experience and getting progressively better, with an inexperienced driver, who will be starting from square 1, in like @JingelJjay said, a car not suited to the second driver.
Albon is definitely not performing at the same level as Max, but like, c'mon, we're also comparing max and lewis as being on the same level. lets all chill for a minute and let the poor guy just get his head down for a while without having everyone be like "iS aLbOn GoNnA gEt DrOpPeD?!?".
@@tomw9078 i believe i used the word experienced! Please read again.. btw i meant drivers who are actually ready for that seat... i can think of a few already.. n i dont mean drivers who only have had half a season or less in F2 or F3!! i think we all know by now especially in F1 what not having the experience n confidence can do.. please stop making more out of what i wrote.. simply stating the obvious as to WHY Albon is being given THE treatment, so much of UNDERSTANDING when Gasly was not! N Before you jump on that i am not a fan of Gasly.. just cant understand all this overwhelming indulgence with Albon... i know he brings in alot of money but seriously? Actually you know what maybe its Redbull i dont get.. i find their softly softly approach to Albon baffling when it was not offered to anyone else... so there... something else for you to chew on!!
54:27 wasn't the safety car the end of lap 10? When the leaders got to the pits they began lap 11 I thought.
Finally! I've been waiting a long time for this. We need Rosberg to come back!
55:05 tommy actually jinxed it
COTA 2019 Bottas different strat passed Lewis for the win other than that I can't think of any other
Yeah but if i remember correctly, bottas was leading in that first stint
Bottas had pole though
Podium for monza, Hamilton, bottas, ricciardo
F1 E-sports is Genuinely more fun to watch .
At this point, almost any series is, virtual or not, right? Only similar bad was LMP1 with Toyota since Porsche left...
The thing with Bottas is that they don't even let him race. He asked if he could try to overtake and was denied. But then when Lewis is behind they are allowed to race
It seems that nowadays any race that isn’t like Austria 2020 is considered boring.
haha i mean you literally didn't have a͟͟n͟͟y͟͟t͟͟h͟͟i͟͟n͟͟g͟͟ happen in the top 3. also i think a lot of people expect rain lol
This race was boring though. It wasn't just boring, it was sleep inducing crap unless you are the biggest F1 nerd and care about whether Gasly gets P6 or 7. You should watch some F2 so you can see what actual racing looks like. Dont get me wrong, noone needs w2w-racing every lap as strategy CAN be interesting, but these kind of races are not good for F1.
I live in Australia and our races start at 11pm. I was moderately drunk (you know where the temptation to nod off to sleep starts hitting) and I stayed up to watch the race, I passed out on lap 5 and woke up to see the three podium place drivers driving in to the pit lane at the end 😂😂 seems like I missed nothing
Latifi D lol he had to lift cause k-mag ran wide and he was p13 in FP3 😂russle was behind p13 I forgot where he was tho
I have no idea why I started waving when I saw Tommy doing it in the start, it was like he was right in front of me lol 🙈
Why would anyone want Rosberg back. He was only able to beat Hamilton 1 out of 4 years and that was largely down to a 28 point swing at Malaysia. He’s been out of the game for 4 years whilst Hamilton has without doubt raised his game further. I understand Bottas, certainly in races, isn’t creating enough championship fight. But I’d much rather see, Russell in the car or Verstappen get a better Red Bull than drag Rosberg out of a retirement he took because it clearly took everything he had and a bit of luck to beat Lewis
@G.G. Baxter
F1 fans have notoriously short memories. In 2015, the same calls for nico's replacement was all the rage because Vettel was ahead of him in the points.
Lmaooo I have the biggest grin on my face that my question was in my favourite podcast 🤣🤣
Yes #bringbackrosberg
Rosebug is a coward and afraid to compete
The only way Rosberg could have a chance to beat Lewis in the championship was Lewis getting extra DNF's. Btw Mercedes already signed Bottas for 2021 and Lewis only has about 2~4 years to perform good enough to win the championship in F1.
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