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- An entertaining race at the Nurburgring provided plenty of talk points. Should Nico Hulkenberg be on the grid next year? Is Alex Albon's Red Bull career over? Did the lack of Friday running make for a more entertaining race? Join Matt and Tommy as they discuss the 2020 Eifel Grand Prix.
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After Albon's "they're racing me too hard", I thought this is over. Max needs a supporting teammate with experience.
Hulk fits I guess lol
Aka Hulk
Either Hulk or Perez. They both have many Years under their belt. I think Perez can handle the pressure even better tbh. But Max and Hulk are good buds.
Gasly got so much trash but Albon way worse.
@@Malignant88 perhaps, But when Hülkenberg has a decent car and he's not under pressure, like 2018, he is easily the most consistant midfield driver. Remember he even beat Pérez in at least a very similar car and also Hülkenberg had waaay more retirements compared to Pérez that season... Sergio did get a podium tho...
As an Albon fan, it just pains me to see him like this. Last year Albon where he was so confident in the car and really set that Red Bull seat on fire in his rookie season compared to this year where his confidence just seems shot and performances poor is like night and day. I wouldn't mind seeing him going back to Alpha Tauri and potentially regaining his confidence just like Gasly did. Hope he can do better in the future.
You are damn right, I think if he goes to AT he will have back all that confidence.
Thank you for making a sensible comment. Totally agree
I think it expose a deeper problem Red Bull has had with second drivers ever since Max came into the team. Ricciardo was good enough to make up for it but both Gasly and Albon have massively struggled. Clearly they need an experienced driver to come in and help set up that second car.
He doesn't have his families support this year. Having no support networks, regardless of who you are, is a quick slide to Bald Brittney town.
Next year, when things are back to normal, we'll see a change in our drivers.
Even our top 3 teams have been struggling with mental states this year.
@Yandz The man you may be right. But I think Redbull needs to reassess what it is that they actually want. They have the Redbull juniors, followed by Torro Rosso (Redbull Junior F1) and then the main team. What this model tells me, is they want to find that young talent, and mould them from a young age into 2hat they want. The same as Mercedes and Ferrari do.
But, his decisions have made it appear more like "we don't care about the other teams. We are running out of time. We need the best NOW!" And "why are our young drivers so shit, we need 2 Verstappen in these seats". Redbull are expecting too much, and not giving enough back.
Ie. Their business model doesn't match Christians desires.
Albon and Gasly just need to grow, which they could do with the right leader (As proven by Torro/Tauri). If Redbull actually supported and talked to their drivers, Gasly would have been entirely different, and would have likely maintained the seat.
Don't expect the maturity of a 40yr old, from a 20yr old, the first time they've ever been put in front of a camera.
If hulkenberg doesn't get a seat next year I might reavaluate my life choices
I don’t understand why people think he needs a seat in F1. This man was in F1 for years and never got a podium
@Gabriel Bellinaso what are u smoking?
@Gabriel Bellinaso are you nuts? Perez got not 1 but 4 podiums in the very same force india car.
Brandon Baker hulk seems to be popular with fans, but I still think he just doesn’t have a mind of a winner.
@@user-gs8jv4oq6w this might be true to some degree, but You can't deny that the guy is a solid driver. IMO he looks in better shape than other current drivers skill wise
My opinion. Hulk is a very talented driver. His junior category record shows he's won in every category he's competed in. And you don't win Le Mans by being a rubbish driver either so I think he deserves an F1 seat
So bring back Hartley you say?
@@DSQueenie I genuinely think he deserved at least another season
@@DSQueenie Hartley wasn’t even close to as successful as hulk in the junior categories lmao
NICO SCORES 10 POINTS IN 2 RACEES AND RUSSELL SCORES 0 IN 34 RACES, DOES RUSSELL DESERVE THE MERCEDES SEAT?
@@stance4life.98 i hope your joking because have you seen what car russel is in?
Albon locked up twice and took out a car owned by his boss and almost took out another before he was retired and Helmut Marko said he had a good race.
Don’t listen to Marko he talks such bs.
@@DSQueenie You know he's in charge, right?
@@mralireza931 The thai who owns almost half of the team is in charge. Helmut Marko knows Albon's race was dreadful but he can't do nothing about it
@@giulianorossi1819 Sure, sure you're right.
alireza rezaei and that’s the worry about redbull the person incharge is a liar with a bloated ego.
Lewis is not my favorite driver, but I think he is mesmurizing to watch sometimes. The fact he was casually on to lap everyone bar Max on a track they haven't been to in years and then pull 4 seconds out his arse on the restart... Granted that Merc is on another planet but his talent still dragged a dog (2009 mclaren) to 2 wins. I cannot come up with enough superlatives for him.
@Vice Ćuška Yes it was. McLaren and Ferrari were so focused on their 2008 title fight that they didn't properly develop their cars. So when the new aero regulations came in 2009, both were horrible cars which were struggling to even score points. Basically both were the SF1000s of their era. How Hamilton dragged it to wins in Hungary and Singapore and how Raikkonen won in Spa with that car still remains a mystery to me.
@Vice Ćuška it was hardly a 2020 Mercedes
Agreed that I have much respect for Lewis ( I’m a Riccardo fan) Lewis always reminded me of Tiger 🐅 Woods. Both minorities in their sport that made it to the top. Both started young with little 💰 and support. Lewis is so competitive, does his homework always talking with the engineers, always hitting his marks and mistake free. Lewis does have the best equipment but so did Michael !
@@nassaubahamas5494 You do know that a driver's ability isn't just set for their whole career, right? Hamilton is a considerably better driver than he was 10 years ago, mainly owing to his sheer consistency. Hamilton beat Button in two of their three seasons as teammates; when Button beat him in 2011, that was probably Lewis' worst season of his career. Let's not forget Lewis has had three world champion teammates (Alonso, Button, Rosberg) and he beat them all. How many other drivers on the current grid have had three teammates who have been world champion? I don't think there are any. At least have some respect for his achievements, no one would have predicted that Schumacher's records would be beaten within 15 years.
@@nassaubahamas5494 So you want to see Hamilton go up against a multiple world champion, in the same car? Oh wait, he already did, in his *rookie* season. And he matched him...
i've been the #1 alex albon defender for many years, but that race just make me extremely sad. i really REALLY want to defend him and i just can't. i will say that he explained that the retirement was because of gravel, and i don't think RB would retire him for no reason. but you never know.
sadly he won’t improve because RB is such a toxic environment and many people want him out giving him immense pressure. its a sad reality when alex’s 2 friends (george and lando) are being praised while he’s getting hate and death threats. he definitely deserves to be in F1 but not in a top team too early in his career. i hope some team is interested to sign him because it doesnt look like Kvyat’s going anywhere
@@catalyst7812 People and especially people on social media have no idea what they want, think or whatever.All of them are dancing how the last race ends or even last video they watched lol, every single time
In my opinion I think Daniil is going to retire e or go out for a year and Albon is going to go back to Alpha Tauri ! And Hulk is going to Rbr , that is what I think . I’d be very sad if Rbr droppped Albon from their teams , but you know after this race ... it wouldn’t be much of a surprise to me .
@@catalyst7812 completely agree with you :(
Red Bull's car is basically Max's ride. Anyone else in the second seat is having to adjust to drive Max's ride. If the driver does not adjust, he is getting the sack. Red Bull may as well just wait for Max's younger brother to grow up to fill the second seat at this point.
Hopefully Albono goes to Alpha Tauri with Pierre and they both have success and lots of fun. Albono looks drained of his positivity. Turrible environment for him.
Winning Monza isn’t enough to get Gasly back at Red Bull, they need Hulkenberg or Perez as has been said. Hulkenberg showing up is always so much news, why wouldn’t a team want to bask in that goodwill. He’d be a good second driver
Perez beat hulkenberg easily tho
Whilst I don't think Gasly should go back to Red Bull, his results this year have been outstanding. They need to give Hulk or Perez a year with Max & put either Gasly or Albon back in the car for 2022
gasly has driven excellently in multiple races this year. I agree that it shouldnt move him back to redbull though, I would however like it to help a move to a different team though. No driver is going to be as good as verstappen so any comparison is gonna make them look like crap so its kind of a toxic position to be in. Red bull I feel needs to get a veteran known quantity driver to drive alongside verstappen and be a clear no.2 to help the team get verstappen challenging for race wins
@Phillip Leite Perez beat Hulk every year they were teammates (except Perez first year at Force India)
Neither Perez or Hulk got a podium worthy car (Force India and Sauber), yet Perez managed 8 podiums with those two teams (P2 on Malaysia, but could have been a race win against Alonso, in his rookie year).
They are both great drivers, really solid base for a team, they could be the most complete and strong driver line up. But Perez always got the upper hand against Hulk, even in their junior formulas (and even Perez stated in jr formulas that Hulk someday would be his greatest rival because of his talent).
So yeah, it’s pretty even, but Perez clearly had showed how he can beat every teammate he has.
All of this, plus his amazing financial backup, is a no brainer.
Because after 182 races, he still hasn't placed a podium. Gasly has managed it and proven he is a solid driver. Albon has proven himself as well.
Redbull is in 2 capable hands, Toro Rosso will just dig into their talent pool and pull out another 2 Hot shots.
albon literally got told to "retire the car" with no warning. "we'll talk about it in the garage." why not tell him the radiator is broken?? he totally retired, or red bull were overly cautious with the radiator which we didnt see.
Kvyat to the bench, Albon back to AT to learn how to race from Gasly, Hulk to RB. Nothing personal against Kvyat, but compared to Gasly he's struggling much like Albon is against Verstappen.
Unpopular opinion: Kvyat is better than Albon. Disclaimer: Probably not true.
This sir is correct!
Gravity's Rainbow Tsunoda definitely deserves a seat at Alpha Tauri. He’ll develop nicely.
@Gravity's Rainbow if you look in depth, kvyat has been very unlucky with most of the races, Pierre has more pace in qualifying but in the race they are pretty equal on pace most of the time. He doesn’t deserve to be benched and he also beat albon during the period they were together
Kvyat outperformed Albon during Toro Rosso tenure but stupid Red Bull ain't ready to promote him again. He did better job than both Gasly and Albon in Red Bull.
Come on Marko and Horner, what are you guys waiting for?
Replace Albon with HULK for 2021 !!!!!!
WOW! If you are a Hulk fan, I would not wish him such a bad thing. I would not wish that seat on my worst enemy even...
@@opius1199 wut
sorry but Albon is staying.
@Chris 1983 defo
@Arthur Kamst everyone likes the hulk
I just feel bad for Albon. He is literally in his 2nd season in F1 and people want him to be out of F1. Quite a lot of people forget Albon came into Red Bull with just half a season in Torro Rosso. Half a season. Just to give you a comparison, Vettel and Verstappen both spent 1 and 1/2 years, Gasly spent 2 years and Ricciardo had 4 full seasons in F1, 2 of them with Torro Rosso. And he has done great for someone so inexperienced. Look at his races in China, Belgium, Brazil, Austria and Mugello. He just needs some support and confidence. Demoting him to AlphaTauri could (probably) make him go the Kvyat way and perform even worse. Whether he deserves his seat in Red Bull, probably a yes from me. He has done quite good for someone so inexperienced, but I admit this season he has been underperforming. You can't compare him to Verstappen, he has 4-5 years of experience, is incredibly talented and dragging the car to places where it has no right to be. But to say he doesn't deserve a seat is just plain dumb and stupid. Of course, the radio message was stupid, but this is too much. Anyway, I wish him the best for the future and hope he becomes successful, he is so nice and humble. Oh, and to whoever who read all of this from the beginning, thank you for your patience.
No thank you for putting into words what I've been thinking, people are being mean to him just for the sake of it and it's starting to seriously piss me off. Also fuck RB's management style.
I agree with some parts. RedBull definitely screwed up on how they managed things after Ricciardo left. They should have given Gasly and especially Albon more time in Torro Rosso and look for a driver somewhere else. However, I do think it would be the right move to demote Albon to Alpha Tauri (yeeting Kvyat out). Albon is just doing a bad job (you can literally not deny this) and maybe back at Alpha Tauri, where there is not so much pressure on his shoulders, he can finish his 'developing time' and have his chance later, as RedBull should have done from the start. Also it would be really exciting to see Albon side to side with Gasly! Anyway, Max deserves a better number 2 driver to limit the strategy options of mercedes and I don't see this happen with Albon any time soon. Again, I would wile to emphasise the fact that RedBull put themselves (and Albon) in this situation and they definitely f'ed up.
That's precisely why he shouldn't be around; now that he's had an adequate number of races his baseline performance has been shown to be far below average
I agree with you on most points. i have to be honest i thought that Albon was doomed to fail as soon as they announced him. Mainly due to him being inexperienced and, this may seem harsh, but China aside he didn't seem any better then Kvyat who in my opinion would've been the better choice. Red bull would be far better off hiring an experienced second driver like perez or Hulkenberg. I don't see Albon surviving there much longer. He's costing them points
@ There is a big difference between Formula Renault, Formula 3, etc., and Formula 1. F1 cars are a different beast compared to these cars. Even the jump from F2 to F1 is rather big. So even if you are experienced in single-seaters, it does not guarantee you can be successful in F1.
The issue at red bull is the whole team is built around Max and you bring these young drivers in who need a bit more nurturing and don’t get it, this they struggle. When you look back at danni ric or Webber who could stand on their own with out that and could fight their teammate who was the clear number1 in Vettel and Max
We’re still living in the Schumacher legacy with the drivers he inspired like Vettel in particular still about and his son on the verge of F1. Hamilton’s legacy will be felt in time when drivers inspired by his dominance come into the picture
Scott Elder that’s why I hate the term GOAT. There is a greatest driver of their own era. Fangio, Stewart, Lauda, Schumacher, and, Hamilton (your list may vary significantly). Talk about the GOHAs (greatest of his era) not GOAT.
@@aurktman1106 I have to disagree with Stewart and you've left out Senna and Clark.
1pr007 my opinion of Stewart is more than just as a driver. He pushed the safety aspects and did as much off the track as on it. I agree about Senna, I think he would have been twice the legend he is now had he not been killed, he was a brilliant driver. Clark was an absolute legend too, I should have him in my list too as he was a bridge between the time of Fangio and Stewart.
Based on some interviews I've seen, young drivers nowadays probably idolize Lewis, just like the days we used to idolize any drivers we like. People like it or not, but Lewis has definitely leave a big legacy in current F1 era.
1pr007 I would probably do the GOHA as decades.
50’s Fangio
60’s Clark
70’s (early) Stewart and (late) Lauda - so much changed in F1 in that decade.
80’s Prost and Senna (I know, highly contentious to put both together in the same level, I do but for different reasons)
90’s Schumacher
00’s Vettel
10’s Hamilton
They should give the First practice for new and reserve pilots only. That would solve a lot of problems.
love that!
That sounds intresting indeed
I agree with you on Hamilton,
I am a Redbull fan, but you can not deny he deserves it.
WE NEED HULK AS A FULL TIME F1 DRIVER
He needs to be at a good team. Not just cruising.
NICO SCORES 10 POINTS IN 2 RACEES AND RUSSELL SCORES 0 IN 34 RACES, DOES RUSSELL DESERVE THE MERCEDES SEAT?
@@stance4life.98 Its the car problem not the driver
@@stance4life.98 that’s not Russels fault.
I don't agree in a good teamhe will score but I starting to think he is just gonna be like Valterri nothimg special
I think the thing people don’t understand is that albon is actually doing a lot worse than what Gasly was on most tracks, Gasly would always have 2 Ferrari cars in front of him putting him 2 places behind, at the moment if albon is behind a Ferrari he is behind another midfield car & at most he is behind 1 Ferrari. If Gasly got 8th place last year, that’s the equivalent of albon being 10th, so in my opinion he has to go unfortunately.
Ferrari has indeed moved down, but the midfield has caught up quite a bit to Red Bull.
Even Verstappen has to give it his all to qualify 3rd and even that isn't always possible (for example he qualified 7th in Hungary).
This doesn't excuse Albon's poor race performance but in the age of dirty air track position is king.
At the Nürburgring everybody bar the top 3 was stuck behind Leclerc and lost a lot of time.
That being said, time to bring the Hulk to Red Bull.
NICO SCORES 10 POINTS IN 2 RACEES AND RUSSELL SCORES 0 IN 34 RACES, DOES RUSSELL DESERVE THE MERCEDES SEAT?
@@stance4life.98 Well, I'm not saying Nico is bad. He's actually awesome but let's not forget the car Russell has! I really hope he gets to drive the Merc in a practice session someday!
ARJUN NAIR; I agree with you there! Hulkenberc can be compared to Albon closer than he can be to Russell, and I actually think Latifi is doing a good job this season, which makes the Williams look better than it really is!
@@stance4life.98 yes
I think a C for Ocon is a bit harsh considering he was on par with Ricciardo in qualifying and was running in front of Sainz before his retirement. He probably would have finished 5th in the end.
Nico Rosberg & Toto Wolff both said they see Ocon's potential. I value their opinion on talent more than any internet commentator.
Brundle's comment on Albon's "they race me so hard" was lit: "welcome to Formula 1".
The problem with the second Red Bull seat is, no matter who you put in that seat, if that drivers driving style does not suit the way the red bull is designed for Verstappens style, they’re gonna be shit. Red bull either needs to find someone with a similar style to Max or someone who is talented/experienced enough to adapt they’re style and still be rapid
Hulk? In a Redbull? Next race? FUCK YEAH?!
Just a concept, is the current weakness of the Red Bull driver program a bit of karma for their treatment of drivers who are not their darlings. During the last decade Red Bull have had two darlings (Vettel and Verstappen) who were clearly given preferential treatment at the expense of their team mates. Red Bull denied it constantly, but the way Horner managed disputes made it clear that if you are not the darling you did not matter to them. If I were a young driver and I had the option, I would join any of the other programs from other teams as I would not volunteer to be treated so poorly. This would also explain why the Red Bull program has so many drivers who had no other option (Kyvat, Hartley, Albon) and why their pipeline has dried up.
Truth, maybe horner and marko are the problem.
I hope Alex and Pierre are able to find success in other teams. I think Redbull chews drivers up and spits them out. If Verstappen gets picked up by Merc or someone else for 22 I think RB might collapse like Ferrari have this year.
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Monaco 2018 was the first F1 race I ever watched and I’ve been a RIC fan ever since. So good to see him on the podium again!
His won so China was my first, but otherwise same.
I think whoever they get as a second driver at red bull will just show that Max is a once in a generation talent and will be just as far behind as Albon
Alex Rogers, He likes a high rake car, put him in a normal rake F1 car like a Mclaren and there won't be much difference between him and Norris, remember he lost 2-1 to Ricciardo over 3 seasons.
@@pr-tj5by And considering Riccardo retired from 8 of those races due to car issues vs Max’s 3 retirements I feel he didn’t beat Riccardo conclusively, I’d love to know how Riccardo would have gone if the car didn’t fail him so much.
@@danielshort2893 He felt he was getting screwed over imo so he left
The "lewis is in the best car so he's not great" makes no sense when you look at his F3/GP2/karting races
People always say this. They said it about Vettel, they said it about Schumacher, they said it about Senna, hell they said it about Fangio. Some people just say whatever fits the narrative they've already constructed for themselves.
@@jafuncle Yep!
except they're watching F1, a sport that is literally half human performance and mechanical performance
do these idiots even know what the MOTOR in Motorsport means?
Not really a strong argument. Every F1 driver did well in F2, F3 and/or karting, otherwise they wouldn't be here. You could say the same thing for Lance Stroll, and I don't think he's as bad as people say, but I don't see him becoming a multiple world champion, even in the Mercedes
@@nassaubahamas5494 No. Mercedes just have a good 2nd driver. Sorry not sorry Barrichello was not front runner material and never used championship winning cars properly. Not at Ferrari, nor at Brawn. Both Bottas and Rosberg are far more talented AND motivated to win than he ever was.
Nico Rosberg is such a shit stirrer and I love it! He always knows what buttons to push. He also worked out pretty much exactly what was wrong with the Mclaren when he was interviewing Carlos.
Yeah, he's educated and has impressed engineers with his knowledge of engineering, it was one of his main strenghs as a driver. Setting up the car and getting it dialed in was his major strengh. Not my opinion I saw a video recently and thats what he said about himself.
@Gravity's Rainbow I'm convinced Rosberg could have won a second title. Hamilton has had some dips in form over the last 3 seasons and it's possible Nico could have capitalised where Bottas couldn't.
@@alexrobertssings Nah, I don't think he could've a 2nd title. I am a Rosberg fan, but you have to admit he was helped quite a lot by Hamilton's horrendous luck, like in Malaysia where his engine puffed out when he was leading and Rosberg came 3rd. And no, Hamilton has improved and is the most consistent driver on the grid. I admit, this season he is a bit off, but he is incredibly consistent so Rosberg probably could have capitalised only in places like Monza or Russia (which Bottas capitalised on).
@@wayne1da121 Lol, i was reading this like WTF?! but then got to the end and you're like thats what he said about himself. LOLOLOL, here have an upvote, u lovely little troll. You should make it into a meme and tweet it on a weekend where Rosy is talking nonsense
@@ViKingsRacing COPY AND PASTE FROM ESPN BITCH
He started karting at the age of 11 and in 2002 he moved up to German Formula BMW, winning the title in his first season with nine victories. At 17 he became the youngest person to drive an F1 car when he was given a test with Williams, and he never looked back. Driving for his father's team, Team Rosberg, he graduated to Formula 3. In 2005 he was offered a place at Imperial College in London to read for a degree in Aeronautical Engineering, but decided pursue a career in racing.
Perez has done more and achieved more to be ahead of hulkenberg for the red bull seat.
Will he want to be a number 2 driver though???
Nelson A i think being a number 2 driver is better that being in a low mid-field team
Perez is in a tough spot, he would Have to drop down to the back of the pack to be a number 1 driver currently
Hulk was consistent with that scrapy renault.He is bit more aggressive and hungry for success. That my point of view but both deserves that seat but it's up to redbull. Redbull will go for German again may be .
False
This season is proof that Liberty Media F1 and the FIA need to have enough tracks in their pocket that the schedule is different from year to year.
Ok everyone how do we get this guy in change because that’s such a good idea
@@thomasandrews8174 shit bruh ill do it for 1/2 what they're paying whoevers in charge
Hmm, that will probably just lead into rich Arabians throwing more money at the FIA to ensure a race at their snooze of a circuit to gain an advantage over other circuits. You can see that going on with interlagos already :(
@@thingiezz na id draw the schedule champions league style make a whole big stink about it. Sure teacks could get drawn on consecutive years but the placement would always be random. Spa in december China in july canada in march.
Can I start a petition to have Jess as a special guest if Bottas ever wins the WDC
Lol, as if that's ever gonna happen 😆
Love Tommy's purple eye shadow 💜
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Germany be like
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I think it would be good to send Albon back to Alpha Tauri.
I'm pretty sure that this would be the same effect as with Gasly.
Albon is a talented driver but he needs more time in a team with less pressure.
On german television Hülkenberg actually said that he would return to the grid next year as he said:,, Ahh, just in this year when I'm not in f1 they race on the Nürburgring! ''.
I guess you are also from germany?
Unfortunately that says nothing... He drove since 2010 in f1 (only missed 2011).... which means he drove the whole time and think he just wanted to show that exactly the year he's out even though he was on the grid for the last 8 years they are driving there and not regarding to the future.
That statement is not invalid if he doesn't race next year.
Thanks to Tommy and Matty! I always look forwards to this podcast
Bottas C is a bit unfair...least he shud hv get is a B. He out qualified Lewis 2.5tenths on a track he's not driven b4 and held his position until his lock up.
They are so biased. Who says that Bot didnt have engine problems already to slow him down in the first place
Bottas drove here with Williams in 2013, so that statement is false.
Also his lock up was very crucial, it ruined his chance to win. Everything happening after that was just very unlucky.
The lock up was really bad, but giving him a C is a bit harsh given that he was fantastic in qualy and, perhaps, things would have been different without his mechanical failure.
@@miguelmoroni8254 C is not that Bad though, it's exactly average in this rating system.
A* | A | B | C | D | E | F
@bumdog well they could be faster Lewis was close on Bot and Bot was the faster car with clear track. Probably his car was already sheit.
On a Friday give the teams 3 hours to do a max of 90 min of running. The fastest time set per driver will determine starting position for the short 15 - 22 laps sprint race on the Sat with a 30 min shake down run in the morning. Finishing positions will determine grid for main race with the 1st six positions reversed and everyone starts on the tyre of choice.
I feel so bad for Albon, but I felt like he had this weird, impatient race, where he was trying to overtake Gasly at all costs. I'm def a fan, and I think Albon + Gasly could be a good thing, but I'd be worried about the chemistry. Maybe/hopefully they'll work it out. I'd like to see Perez in the second RedBull seat tho.
Why is everybody just talking about the race simulations on friday.
What about the testing of new parts?
If you ban friday testing, and you got a team with a massive margin to the others, they won't be able to close that gap.
Also where do you get the support races in?
I was thinking of restrictions on practice time based on finishing,g positions of previous race and or races? That way the bottom teams week end week out would get more of a chance.
@@ericcline9146 I like this idea - the sport needs more negative feedback loops to balance it out.
@@Shreyank28 And reserve drivers I just wanted to add that in there
@@ericcline9146 I personally think restrictions rarely work and feel really unfair and dirty. A top team have the resources to get the job done even if they lose a few hours of practice so you need to do something more drastic and that will only make the sport feel manufactured. Lower performing teams need extra concessions, so extra test days, maybe more component allowance before penalties then they can lift the field and as soon as they start becoming podiums threats take away the concessions. Look at MotoGP they use this method and with 9 races so far this year there have been 7 different winners and 15 different podium finishers of a 22 rider grid.
26:38 I think the real point here is how much of an opportunity is the second RBR seat to anyone? That seat has claimed two drivers already, almost ending Gasly's career and it's now put a sizeable dent in Albon's future hopes. I'd be surprised if Gasly, or indeed any of the current drivers, actually really wanted that seat. I think only Perez or Hulk would go for it as they have no other options..
Gasly has wanted that seat for many years and still kinda does for some reason
If its only down to the car why Lewis is winning, how come Bottas is marginally ahead of Max who has had 3 DNF's? the problem with F1 is not Merc dominance, its clueless pundits and clueless podcasters reading from this script they pass around to each other where they are only allowed to say "If Lewis is winning F1 is boring".
I think that speaks more about Bottas than the car. Car is several tenths ahead of the rest on average, which puts it in a class of its own. That's problematic for fun competition for the top step.
@@bartonez123 No the real problem is F1 is absolutely full of lazy incompetent journalists who rather than getting their fingers out and engaging the fans, have decided to slag the sport off because they don't like to see this amazing history that unfolding and they have manged to gaslight the fans into going along with this narrative.
In years to come when we're out of the EU begging for relevance and moaning that we don't have any British drivers challenging for titles, we will look back on this time with envy and rightly feel anger at the useless lazy journalists that are currently ruining this moment of national pride.
Bottas has now had 2 races out of the points that weren't his fault as well. The engine failure this race and the tire failing one lap too soon in Silverstone. So if Max had come third instead of one of the DNFs, they'd be on basically equal points
Speaks more about bottas’ and Max’s ability. The car is the quickest by a good margin. Also I do get your point(emphasis on get) but the way you presented it is quite immature. Also, not in a salty way, but if you don’t like it, no one is forcing you to listen or watch said journalists. (You can express your opinions but don’t say them out as if they’re facts)
Then stop listening to them? Championships are won by BOTH the driver AND the car. That has always been the case.
Perez to Red Bull, for at least one season, would be great. Hulk doesnt deserve a RB seat. Sorry. Great podcast as always!
Love watching you guys, best way to end the day, keep it up guys!💖✌🏽😁
Still think Albon gets another year. His race was bad and indefensible but still young and growing. Hulk/Perez might be ok for a season but not much more.
What will we all say if Hulk got that seat and was still trounced by Max? We’d have to eat a lot of words on how ‘bad’ Pierre and Alex were, maybe max is just god tier
@peter pan Your comment is just stupid. Re-analyse those 2 seasons and you"ll see why Max lost against Danny.
16:50 thank me later
16:42 to be exact, but yeah still appreciate it!
just what I was looking for thank you :)
Schumacher vs Hamilton both are greats...
What a useless comment
@@cuckmasterflex9106 What a uselesess discussion.
@@cuckmasterflex9106 least mine had content...
I love the idea of Matt pointing at a tractor and saying "that's a really old car!"
Hulk is a brilliant driver but Perez deserves the Red Bull seat more than Hulk, however Hulk has to be in F1 next year no doubt
19:05 that's seriously not possible though. Gasly was doing this all of his stint at red bull, I'm sorry but Albon is not doing as bad as Gasly was in that Red Bull. I will concede this was a horrible race for him, but so were so many of Gasly's drives at the start of 2019.
I have watched every race since drive to survive came out because I’m from the US and never thought F1 was so amazing. But every year I’ve watched I’ve seen Hamilton win so I’m just used to Mercedes winning so I’m excited for the next rules to change
I'm a Hamilton fan but I get why people might think as you do. I've watched F1 since the mid 90s and I think that gives a bit more perspective on the period of Merc dominance. Just a suggestion but you could check out the F1TV website for some of the old races in previous seasons maybe 2005 to 2012. The 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2010 seasons are some of the best IMO
kityhawk2000
How do the old races give perspective on Merc dominance? The most dominant period in the last 30 years was Ferrari, and at least that was only 5 years
Merc have been boring F1 fans to death for 7 goddamn years now
Hey Matty why did you guys stopped the "That time when" in podcasts? I really enjoyed it. Bring it back.!!
One of the reasons I thought they might of retired the car is Albon was extremely poor, locked up a handful of times & after locking up against Gasly they had to retire because they had no tyres left to give him & it was for a safety reason. One of the other theories is he already took Kvyat out & nearly took Gasly out & after the 'they fight me so hard' radio message they thought he was going to crash into Gasly so just decided to retire.
No albon had a cooler sistem problem that was the reasson they took him out!
@@n9214kf If you believe that you're extremely naive. He never once complained about lack of power, Red Bull never once told him there was a problem with the Radiator, they told him they were retiring the car & when he asked why they said 'we speak about it later' if there was a real issue why not just say. Extremely sus from RB
Nathan Sparks Dude.... they’re loosing precious points by doing that... just think about it logically, it wouldn’t make sense to retire the car unless they absolutely had to.
@@zacharysylvester8349 I mean they are not precious points, they are miles ahead in second, no one is catching them, they won't catch Mercedes, so a couple of points don't matter at all. Fair enough if it was close between 1st & 2nd or 2nd & 3rd but it isn't. Its not like Hass or Williams, Red Bull won't care about a couple of constructor points in there position.
I had high hopes for Albon this year. I didn't think he would be right next to max. but at least would be controlling of 4th position heavily. I could've let a few races pass by but its been more than just a few. I feel for him and understand that its huge amount of pressure building and its even worse that he is not able to perform , because the less he performs the more Marko/Christian/the fans are judging him and getting ready to replace him. I hope he's able to go back to AlphaTauri and perform with Gasly.
"I don't think lando had the outright pace" lando had pulled a gap from what was Perez in DRS range to then being 3 seconds ahead before the pits, I really don't think Perez was gonna have anything but p5
I want to see Martin Brundle ask Kimi where he was when Mick presented that helmet to Lewis.
I think Frank should feature in every episode
I think that a lot of people forget that Hulk was driving with Sir Lancelot’s car set up! That’s mad impressive
I swear y’all think Hulkenberg is a better driver than he really is.
He’s not a bad driver, he’s never really had a chance at a team with a goood car and everyone had bad seasons like he did in 2019 but his 2018 season was not bad, and never really had a car that coule get him a podium.
Albon's present situation in RBR is literally a combination of Kvyat's (torpedoing into people) and Gasly's (getting demolished by Verstappen) past in RBR
Super defensive about ABCDEF1 today?
You’re correct it’s just an opinion but if I had any criticism it’s that you give grades for people when you don’t remember how their race actually went. Like thinking someone is behind on pace but they actually had an extra pit stop etc.
But it’s not a big deal guess since, like you said, it’s just a bit of fun.
not everyone is as logical and reasonable as you unfortunately
I would always vouch for Perez in that second Red Bull seat. He has constantly been in that upper midfield position for years now and is scoring points week in, week out. He is a perfect team player and would never go into silly battles with Max. I fail to understand why no team is right away grabbing him for next year.
Because of his stint at McLaren
@N-parahydroxyphenyl Acetamide 2016 bottas got it over him
Too much data on Friday? Just forbid data collection from the car. Driver feedback only.
This is actually a great idea
2007 Monaco GP, the top 3 lapped the whole grid. This problem has always existed on F1
Love your content! Lots of love from Australia
Albon with that "WHY" just left me teared me up
Riccardo likely a little worried about moving from Renault to McLaren these days
Probably not since Mclaren are still strong and are getting the best engine in the field. They are only 4th place because of some bad luck with reliability and some driver errors.
Scott Elder danny is outperforming the renault, and will do the same in mcl
not really mclaren have a far better chasis and once they get powered by merc it's over
Also Danny is driving the shit out of that shit renault
McLaren have had a little bit of bad luck but they are still pretty close to Renault and they are getting Merc engines next year which should give them a boost. I don't think Danny Ric will be worse off for his decision
@@Createin Doesn't Williams use a Mercedes engine? Doesn't seem to be helping them much.
A nice way to introduce a variable to the race would be to require the use of 3 tyre compounds. This would generate many different solutions to run the race and allow for more options on strategy. It would also take away the usual tyre conservation to save a pit stop and also allow more teams to gamble or force a strategy change to apply pressure to a competitor. Just my thoughts, what do you think?
Think this was discussed on the Sky f1 shows at the last race. They have to run all compounds for a minimum number if laps.
How many times do drivers make mistakes while being put under pressure by Hamilton.
Rosberg vettel bottas for example
Rosberg won a Championship against Hamilton...
@@Giovanni_-xf8if Yes, but without reliability issues for Lewis, he would have been over 40 points behind, as usual!
Rosberg is an exception actually. He was the one putting hamilton under pressure. For example where he won all the races after lewis hamilton won the championship in 2015, when he refused to retire in Abu Dhabi 2014
@@Giovanni_-xf8if lost 2
In my opinion, Best Driver lineup for RedBull Teams next season :
RedBull need drivers to challenge Mercedes consistently. Give Nico a few practice sessions and see what he can do.
RBR : Max Verstappen, Nico Hulkenberg
Apparently a sister team and not junior team now. Should have resources to produce a good car which two drivers can drive. Pierre isn't going anywhere and Alex can do better than Kvyat. Those two can challenge for top 6 regularly with a car that suits them.
AT : Pierre Gasly, Alex Albon
Why don’t the F1 teams have their own F2 cars and send the drivers out. See who is the best driver in the grid
They don't have cars, but have pilots.
My idea for a less predictable weekend is: In FP1 and FP2 teams can only use Hards and Wets. In FP3 teams can use Hards, Mediums and Wets. In Q and R you can use all 3/5 compounds. It will make the Inters and the Softs "gamble tyres" so that it's not known how much you gain until Q.
How about Kimi? He's old and just want to have fun now, he might accept be number 2, has all the tallent needed to drive a difficult car to the best capability and help Max by qualifying well and putting pressure on the Mercs to make them waste tires, change strategies for less optimal ones, he can stay on track a little more to come back ahead of a merc and stall them from overtaking and even play dirty and squeeze someone out of the track of needed, all shit alvin can't do when he is racing in 12th. But I believe Kimi stays in Alfa to teach Mick Schumacher next year.
Riiight... You seem to forget how badly Kimi was outperformed by an already struggling Vettel. Definitely a talented driver but surely he has lost a lot of it (his fitness and commitment is no schumi/hammy level neither). Now imagine putting him against arguably the best driver on the grid for the past two years (yep, talking about Max now, nope, Im actually a Leclerc fanboy). I highly doubt Kimi would do better than Gasly or Albon. Perhaps in the race thanks to his massive xp, but a second off Max in every quali is not going to help them beat Mercs
I don’t think he’d sign for Red Bull to be honest he doesn’t like teams with high profiles that much, because they expect him to do advertising all the time, he even got a special clause on his last Ferrari contract that stated his advertising would be limited. Red Bull is nearly as bad as Ferrari when it comes to this. So unless they offered him an exorbitant amount of money and said he could do limited advertising I doubt he’d go to Red Bull or a top team in general, in his words “Leave me alone I know what I’m doing” he just wants to race.
Looking at it as it stands rn tbh i think it was a mistake by Renault to drop the Hulk in favor of Ocon when you consider how Nico genuinely outperformed Ocon in an on paper fairly equal car basically.
I had an idea for practice
Its always shit but some People want to attend so heres a solution
Practices should all be 1 hour first
Than reverse championship times
For example williams would have 1 hour track time,mercedes 10 minutes
Something like the wind tunnel rules
Take Tommy's idea and make Friday a standalone event. Have the morning be a practice session so drivers can get running time on the circuit and the afternoon a sprint race that doesn't factor into the championship standings. The catch is all Friday running can only be done on the C1 compound tires, or inter/wets if needed. (Yes, tire rule would even apply to junior drivers running in morning practice sessions)
Saturday is one normal practice session followed by quali. Race on Sunday.
My solution to Friday practice: offer the drivers with cars in the bottom half of the grid extra practice. Nicholas Latifi struggling with Turn 1 and constantly flat spinning into the gravel? Give him 8 more hours of practice, that way the team’s engineers can learn as well, and maybe he could finally learn how to avoid blocking other drivers on the grid.
The Bottas lockup reminds me of Nico Rosbergs lockup at Monza which have Lewis the win. The pressure just got to him
Yes in my predictions for 2021 nico is in redbull
My feedback would be to make the orange squares in the corners a little bit bigger, that way the TH-cam-embedded watermark fits neatly into that square on the bottom right. Right now the edge of the square cuts through the W
Alex Ambon crying about getting raced too hard no lie i lost some respect smh like bruh you are driving a dam RACE CAR!
Yeah I lost all respect I had for Ambon. On a side note, I heard that he has a brother called Albon who is a much better driver than him.
Well, at least his driving his better than your English, I guess.
he was saying that why is the red bull b team racing him and not letting him pass more easily with less chance of damage
@@nakshatraagarwal1764 it’s not red bulls B team anymore. They are both equal now. They are disgusting for a spot nothing wrong was done. It’s nobody fault but his own not being able to get passed. Why verstapen is always able to be ahead of him?
@@Watchmedome3017 mate i agree but verstappen is on a whole other level compared to the current grid
Agree on Albon, but one thing which has been confusing me about the talk of who gets the Red Bull seat is this preference of Hulkenberg over Perez. This has been happening with fans but also now seems to be creeping into media, with Tommy stating his preference for Hulkenberg. Surely when choosing between two drivers who have been teammates you evaluate them against each other in those years. Perez came out on top twice (2015 + 2016, Hulkenberg once in 2014, Perez comes out on top on overall points, also during that period Perez scored 4 podiums to Nico's 0, counter-point is that Hulkenberg outqualified Perez over the three year period 35-24 but of course points is what matters and with the current gap between 2nd and 3rd quickest car, Perez's slight underperformance in qualifying may still put him P4 on grid most races. I would also to point out that Matt said Hulkenberg always "won f1.5" by finishing 7th every year, Nico was 7th once (2018), Checo 7th twice (2016, 2017). I just don't understand, on data and track records why Nico is spoken about first in this conversation, let's also not forget Perez has just had back to back 4th places so is also on great form. I do rate Nico and really hope he has a F1 seat next year but if that Red Bull seat is available then it surely, popularity aside, should go to Sergio Perez.
They should get kvyat back in the red bull, he was actually fairly decent.
This actually might be a good idea. He became way more mature now and has behaved himself very well. Just gets terribly outshined by Gasly.
Igor Kolosov he can deal with the pressure and he was alright against ricciardo.
In 2016, the Merc was developed to suit Rosberg's driving style. There were many elements of it that Hamilton didn't like. It wouldn't surprise me if the Red Bull has been developed around Max's driving style which is no doubt very different to Alex's and probably Pierre's racing style as well. The same can probably be said of the current Ferrari, being set up to suit Leclerc rather than Seb.
With Hulk being a particularly tall driver, would be interesting to see if the car can be set up successfully for both drivers at RB.
KathleenMc73, He suits a high rake car, put him in a normal rake and he won't dominate anything like he does, remember he lost 2-1 over 3 seasons to Ricciardo.
Imo they retired Albon because he was just destroying the car with the lock ups and the vibrations
Hey “not bad for a number 2 driver cheers” Mark is a legend ahahahaha
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Ideal race week:
Friday: practice with different tires.
Saturday: qualifying.
Sunday: race.
Monday: testing of new parts.
Think an easy solution is to just have 1 session on a Friday instead of 2
Hulk or perez is perfect for the red bull seat. Both experienced, adaptable drivers that can bring constient results while possibly challenging max for podiums.
that 2nd seat at RB is toxic, at least give them the same car and parts, 100% concentrate their time and money on the #1 driver and pile tonnes of pressure on the #2 driver,the worst thing one of the Alpha Tauri drivers gets is a promotion to RB
Yep. Simple as that
mclaren got some aero upgrades on the car, lando had them on in russia and carlos had them this weekend. turns out the older parts worked much better in both races. Carlos said he was really struggling with the car this week (also due to no friday practice to test how the upgrade works)
Re: Fridays, how about sensors are turned off.. (or computers etc..) Only feedback is from the drivers.
It still means, the drivers are given chance to find some sweet spots, they get used to the tyre and different setups and the commercial holders get they branding on the screen etc. The engineers and decision makers in the team are then limited to Saturday & Sunday..
thoughts?
Modern cars can't run without sensors. Cars will get destroyed very easily. How do you monitor engine temperature or tire temperature without making a connection of that data with the laps?
@@shp27493 Yes, aware cares requires computers and sensors to operate. Let me clarify, cut out the feedback given to the engineers from the car. Following from WTF1 point about developing a specific tyre for Fridays, I am suggesting there could be someway of making Friday practice about driver and machine only, removing the data and engineers for one day to increase racing opportunities on Saturday and Sunday by putting drivers teams more on the edge.
1.5 hours FP1 Friday
1 hour FP2 Saturday
Quali Saturday
Race Sunday.
Set a number of maximum laps for both sessions so if weather changes or the track evolves over the course of a session not everyone will have that data. Some will have good data for the start if the race and others will have better data for the end. Could make for good racing
"Bottas wouldn't wanna win by pure luck" Pretty sure if Lewis catches Covid and sits out three races, there will still be a luck deficit for Valtteri.
Yeah hed finish 9th, 5th and a dnf
@@BlogVomMax you forgot his tyre blowing up..........again
@@bigmini2870 Just shows he's still bad at tyre management. Just like in the Tuscan GP. "Hurr durr put me on opposite strategy to Lewis - Oops tyres are dead pls box me"
@@charles-antoinemartel-roy If Lewis was following Valtteri between 1.5 to 2 seconds for 50 laps he would have those issues too.
@@bigmini2870 Bullshit, he does it all the time. Why is it Valtteri who locked up from the lead when it was Lewis following between 1.1 and 1.4s behind. He can't cope with the pressure stop finding pitiful excuses for him, it's pathetic.
We've got some rule changes coming up to limit CFD/wind tunnel time etc based on championship position in the prior year. The FIA could do something similar based on current championship positions for how long teams can run in Friday practice. As it is now, Williams would get the most and Mercedes the least amount of time. This could be a good way of bringing the race pace closer for the whole field.
Honestly, think Perez deserves that Red Bull seat a bit more. He's been hauling midfield cars to podiums for nearly a decade, deserves his shot in a big team that isn't a falling Mclaren
But hulk is faster
On paper grosjean is better than hulk but still would rather have hulk in a rb.. i think podiums from midfield cars are nice but not to make a choice to put someone in a car
I kind of hope Mick Schumacher takes the record back, that would be one of the funniest moments in F1 😂. I know it probably won’t happen, but a man can dream
@peter pan "Incompetent product of nepotism". I doubt it was due to nepotism that he took so many podiums, 2 wins and the championship lead in one of F2's most competitive seasons. True, he probably got helped a bit by his surname, but to say he is incompetent is just plain dumb and stupid. He has talent and he has shown it.