Happy 2017 GTI owner here. I live in a major city with lots of traffic. It’s a good idea to downshift the DSG manually when you are crawling along in traffic so you don’t have turbo lag every time you have to accelerate. That is the only part I think is a hassle with my GTI, but other than that, the steering and breaking really sold me on this car. Watch the sport mode; by driving up the RPMs, you end up using a lot more gas than in drive mode.
Purchased a new 2018 GTI SE and WOW, what fun. This is my second (first was a 1985 GTI). Can't believe how much of a car you get for a 27K price tag. Mine has the DSG trans and leather. It is truly the perfect car. So much fun to drive. VW has really stepped up their game with quality control as well. Car is tight and well balanced. Luv this car!!
Walt: also just purchased a new 2018 GTI SE. Totally agree: Love, love, love this car. And, strangely, I, too, last had a 1985 VW, in that case, a nice Golf Wolfsburg Edition. New one is like yours except for the Clark Plaid cloth seats (THE reason I didn’t get Autobahn - the plaid is pure nostalgia but also super comfortable). I cannot remember having more child-like joy in a new car acquisition - ever. The lightness is what feels so good. Love the FWD, the elegance and understatement of the design - the “Q-car” stealth.
Did you get a performance model, I'm' assuming BC is British Columbia, Canada? I have a 2015 GTI Performance with DCC with Unitronic stage 1 & Stage 1 Dsg tune. Yes it is night and day and is much faster/quicker than a lot of cars I've driven. It's nice to see the 2018's haven't changed. Tried the R, honestly, the GTI with VAQ just drove better nice to see it will be standard now.
the Mark 7's are pretty easy to deal with right now. No History of issues like the MK6 so only time will tell. I have 45K km on mine and have a squeak in my sunroof. I will live with it and lube it up to get rid of the squeak. No carbon billed up, No oil consumption, oil changes every 8K km but these can be pushed to 15K km if you don't modify it. Costs, Oil/Filter changes $100 every 8K - 15K km Tire Rotations Brakes pad - $400-600? for the set4 haven't changed any yet Brake disks - $600-800 for the set4? depending haven't had to replace any Tires - 900-1400 depending on size DSG Service - Every 60K - $600-1000 most expensive maintenance item haven't done it yet. there are kits for it though. That's pretty much it..of course you want to watch for misfires if you mod and maybe put in a catch can to reduce the possibility of carbon build up if you drive in the city a lot. Hope that helped
Absolutely agree. I have a 2015 GTI as well and its a dream. I did the Unitronic stage 1 plus tune, now it is 310 hp and 347 torque at the crank. Its insane for $700 extra. It would cost 20k extra to buy a car new with that performance over the GTI.
I got a gti 7.5 with dsg and it is awesome ! Puts a smile on my face everyday , yea it’s not the most powerful car out there and can’t lap the ring in record time but it’s FUN .
Brian Heaney - Theoryy Happy for you sir! I can’t imagine having all that comfort, and luxury, but still speed, and sportiness? And then it’s engine’s efficiency (if you can resist not having fun that is) haha. Hope it never has issues!
Traded BMW 235i on current 2017 GTI. Really like the GTI better. 235i is a great car, but IMHO not as good a driving experience. Definitely better for your ego, if that's important. GTI is reminiscent of my '72 2002 owned decades ago. Brian mentioned GTI is lighter than the "R". The heavier the car the slower it the responds to driver input. The quick response is a big part of the fun factor. Lots of things go into making a great driving experience, seats- driving position, feel of the controls, power, response and others, they all come together in the GTI to make you want to hop in the car and go somewhere . . . anywhere.
Hey i leased a 2016 golf r for 2 years.. had 2 gti before that.. now I have a 2017 gti sport ... so I think im pretty good at comparing the 2 .. yes the golf r feels abit more faster in a straight line.. but.. the gti feels lighter, more fling about around turns...more playing.. a tad bit of wheel spin... the golf r is great. But if going alittle faster is all you want .. get the r ... if not the gti is a fun car to drive.
I got the R because I live in a mountainous area with a lot of snow. I got sick of fighting the winter with my '14 GLI and my City Golf ( with new Micheline ICE X )not making up hills. This year was the worst winter but the best winter driving experience I've ever had. While everyone was spinning out and getting stuck, I just drove around them. I do agree, the GTI is just as fun to drive, the interior nicer, has a sun roof, LED tail lights, better milage, has a spare tire and price$$ If didn't live where I do, I'd pick the GTI.
I love my 2013 gti I get soooo much versatility . It was super fun on a track and it gets 35 mpg at 65 on hiway which is amazing for the performance of this car. 28mpg doing 80 hiway is great!! It also has so much room and so comfy compared to others in its class great car
I test drove the GTI and it was fun no doubt but ended up buy the R. The R is thrilling. Heart pounding fun. It is in my opinion the king of hot hatches. Sure it’s heavier but tracks a corner or curve like it was on rails. No wheel spin ever. Thanks for the review.
There is no doubt the R is superior but I think a lot of people can't afford an R with crazy dealer mark ups. You can get a GTI thousands under MSRP and put a stage 1 tune and it'll keep up with an R no problem from a roll. Disregard everything I said if you want a track car because we all know the R is better in that term.
The wheelspin on my 13 GTI is definitely problematic. In a straight line, it not too bad, but when trying to accelerate through a corner, the inside wheel like to spin. I'm sure the limited slip on the PP helps though. If you start modifying the GTI for more power, it'll make all of the spin happy issues worse. Thats why I think you need AWD for power levels anywhere above the stock GTI levels.
Great mid-update. Own an Australian MK7 MY16 myself. & those times when you're in form with the gear changes (manual), are PURE BLISS. Also recently upgraded the rear tail lights to MK7.5 with sweeping indicators, mirrors with sweeping LED's & license plate white light LED's..... It's my beast & it deserves to be spoilt 😏
I'm a lifelong fan. Having owned all the generations up to the 2010 model, I just can't bring myself to part with it. I just love the car. It remains fast, familiar and yes, still so VW F U N! I think if I were to get a new one, I might have issues with the "forced upon us" 4 door. I know it's a logical option. It's just a bit different for those of us who've only had 2 doors and don't drive with others in our cars too often. Still, it's a beauty..... Oh! And it was assembled in Germany and has had zero issues...
Own a MK5 GTI because I was to sell it on behalf for a friend. Ended up buying it myself because it was so good for the money, best package of practicality and performance without breaking the bank. DSG is so good it made me consider if would ever buy a car without anymore, like BMWs with a ZF-8 spd which I used to like but now find slow for any car that is meant to be sporty.
Great review! You can tell you have kids, showing car seat fitment and the goldilocks reference made me smile. I appreciate it since car seats are a big issue finding a fun car. I think the bargan is the base model GTi, you still grt all the good performance, seats, brakes, etc. For way less. Thanks!
Really glad see that 2 children seats can fit in the back. Gonna be enough to convince my GF that I'm buying it for future "family purpose" and not only because it's a fun hatch.
Great review! Just FYI on the pricing bit - I have a 2017 GTI Sport DSG (US trim, basically comes with lighting package, performance package, nicer wheels and proximity key) and I got it for 25k USD in April 2017, 5k off MSRP. Has everything besides leather, sunroof, and driver assistance stuff (I didn't want any of those options). Cheapest golf R in my area was on sale for about 38k, major price difference. For track performance, the GTI and the R are very close because of the power to weight ratios as you mentioned. Would only consider the R if I wanted to heavily modify it or lived in a place that had a lot of ice and snow.
GTI's certainly used to be a lot more affordable, it seems. I paid $11,500 for my new MK2 1984 GTI back in the day, which is $27,772 in today's dollars! My second GTI, a new MK4 2003 GTI VR6, cost $24,000, which would cost $32,730 in today's dollars! I've had this GTI for more than 15 years now, and it has been 'bulletproof' and ultra reliable! Still fairly quick too... hits 60MPH in 6.3 seconds. I have not driven any of the more modern GTI's after 2003, and I am sure I would be thrilled at how much 'tighter' they feel. I wish I could trade mine in for a new one, but when you get to my age, major medical debt can quickly rear it's ugly head, despite having health insurance! I'd be lucky if I could now afford a Mitsubishi Mirage or Toyota Yaris, LOL!
You want to really have fun, learn how to use manual shift, then you have full control of how your car performs; that’s why my GTI is manual...always!!
I’m looking to buy this car in the next few months and I can’t say I got much information about what the long term ownership experience will be like. You basically just went through the specs and focussed on whether its good for a quick fang around the backroads. Too many reviewers jump from car to car and forget the important things that lead to a good ownership experience. We know the car is quick. But Is the suspension and steering comfortable for normal driving? Is the seating position sufficently adjustable or is it too high like in most VWs, are the controls where you expect them to be? What are the servicing and common repair costs?
Once I graduate and start working, my two car line-up will be a newer-ish GTi (Mk6 or 7) and an older Miata. But if I can only get away with having one car it'll have to be the GTi. It's so damn impressive. Plaid seats are a must though.
How do you get plaid with sunroof? I had a 2009 gti with 2doors, plaid seats and sunroof and I loved it. Why no 2 doors anymore? VW what are you doing?
I have a pre-facelift Mk7 GTI and I love it. Stage 1 APR turns it into a pocket rocket. It's the most fun car I've driven in a while. I was initially going to upgrade to the Golf R. However, once I laid my eyes on the RS3 I had to go for it... If I was to choose between the S3 and Golf R, I'd gone with the Golf R.
Everyday Reviews My local APR tuner charged me $780 USD if I recall correctly. I didn't get to dyno my car but the numbers on APR's website seem accurate. As far as real world difference goes, it is night and day. I've owned faster cars than the GTI, so I wasn't too impressed by the GTI's power in stock form. But with a stage 1 tune now, it is one of the quickest cars I've driven. Oh, and I should have mentioned that I don't have my RS3 yet. I ordered mine so it'll be here in 2 to 3 months.
$10K price difference between the GTI and Golf R, and that's if your local dealer doesn't mark up the R you want, as they're hard to come by. My advice? Buy a GTI, get a manual gearbox, spend some of the difference on some modest mods, pocket the difference. Enoy! Oh, also, ditch the OEM all-season rubber as soon as you can, they hold back the car massively! Invest in a set of summer tires, you'll thank me later. I got a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s off of Tire Rack, got everything shipped and installed for under $600. WOW! Massive improvement, I can hang with pretty much anything in the twisties now.
I bought a focus st had it for 2 days and then traded it in for a mk7 gti, I lost $1,000 on the deal but I couldnt be happier! Gti is fun to drive and all around practical and has way more luxury than the st, the st felt cheap and like a kids car sure its a tiny bit faster but I drive to work not on the track everyday
Also one thing that bothers me is the clutch based lsd. It means one day it will need to be replaced. If you keep the car forever, you will need to replace 3 clutches in the car. Just bothers me because I’m assuming vw could of used another type of mechanical lsd that doesn’t need clutch replacement
My GTI is ordered, and should arrive in a month or so. Autobahn version, 6 speed manual. My first car was a 1976 Rabbit, so returning to my roots, perhaps. My question for this forum is; should I consider the extended warranty? At almost $3K for 8 years coverage for almost everything, it's a bit steep. Thoughts?
Rick Phillips I think it's worth it. My 2014 GTI had a failure in my manifold that caused $3k of damage if it was outside of warranty.This failure occurred at about 40k miles. Without warranty I would have been screwed.
Did VW integrate the collision sensors into the bumper this year? On the 2017 you had the 2" x 2" cutout in the bottom grill area, similar to the new Accord. That's no longer the case with the new model. They must have integrated the sensors into the bumper. Looks much cleaner this year.
$39K plus freight, taxes, etc., pushes this GTI toward $50K. Just a bit too high for me. I ended up finding a very low metrage (9,500km) 2016 CPO Audi A3 Technik w/quattro for just a shade under $36K. (The 11 year old trade took care of most of the taxes.) Though I love the practicality of the Golf hatchback, and probably would have got an R, my wife hates the Golf's shape. So as not to sleep in the backyard, I "settled" for the A3. And after this winter, I'm really glad I had the quattro/4 motion set up.
Can you confirm if the VAQ differential and bigger brakes from the Golf R are included on the 2018 GTI Autobahn in Canada? I know they were included on the pre refresh GTI PP but haven’t heard any mention of them on the 2018 models (only referring to Canada as US trims and options are different)
I wish VW offered AWD across the range... like a few thousand dollars option on every model. The R is quite a step up in terms of price and while I understand that you get more with the R, it's not all stuff you necessarily want - when all you need is the AWD that's a tough pill to swallow.
I have a 2017 GTI Sport with a manual transmission, so much fun. Test drove both the manual and the DSG and there's no contest the manual is so much more fun and involving for the driver. Anyone thinking about getting a GTI go for the manual transmission you won't regret it. Automatics are for ladies, remember that gentleman.
No it's not. It's meant to be a daily driver. I've been driving mine daily since last year and it's a beast. Gets great gas mileage on a turbo charged engine. I recommend.
Ooh, I hadn't realized the digital cockpit wasn't available on the petrol GTI in NA; bummer! I doubt I'm going to be able to afford the E or the R. I currently own a 2011 DSG bought with 50K miles, and I'm looking for a replacement in the next few years - so reviews like this one are exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks!
I truly believe that VW has finally created RELIABLE cars. I think the MK7 was their test to see how well it does in reliability. Since the MK7 has proven reliability for 3 years, VW is no longer afraid to offer 6 years and 72k miles of warranty.
I owned a 2016 6 speed. The car was everything I needed it to be. The only sore spot was the transmission. This car is best with the DSG, I'm sorry but it's true. Not saying that the manual isn't worth getting, but the car is geared more for the DSG transmission and the manual has a lot of quirks, mainly a very weak and vague clutch. Really wish they put the full digital dash in the GTIs. It's such a cool feature. But honestly, if you want a pretty fast car and are on a new car budget sub $25,000, the MK7 GTI is the best choice in the segment by far.
I Love my pearl white 2013 mk.7 gti, although it has a stage 2 apr upgrade & a tuned dsg auto with 19" niche mags & michelin pilot sport 4s. so i got a great buy at $23k.,& 58ks. with the dsg servived. Also i was amazed the owner gave me a set of clubsport 18" alloys with the sale. but the car is way nicer inside than my focusRS Except for the RS's lovely & comfy(i'm 5'8') equiped recaro seats. it's quite a nimble car compared to the planted R model & the pilot sport tyres give it a solid feel on the road..would highly recommend the mk.7 gti to any sporty car enthusiast to go & buy one, they are that good, & even get one with the stage tune as it makes them such a blast to drive!-my poor 997turbo is getting jelous of it's playful nature!-cheers all happy golfing..
I've been debating between getting an ex-demo GTI or R and couldn't make up my mind as to whether the extra grand or two I'd need to spend was worth it but a GTI looks more than enough.
Great review! I got to drive the 2016 or 17 GTI with the performance pack, and I really think it is brilliant. I have a Scirocco R from 12 and the updated interior with its style and elegance coupled with the DSG gearbox and the new 2.0 litre engine, makes it a brilliant car over my older scirocco. I do still love mine though. Thanks again! :-)
missed out on an opportunity to get one of these last year...Given how they've added content to these things and now have something resembling a warranty, the next time I have an opportunity to get one of these, It's happening.
I'm sad that the Canadian market doesn't get a limited slip differential anymore, the US market gets it on the higher trims. I will probably get one next summer anyway. PS: The 2018 Golf R gets a 7 speed dual clutch transmission.
Everyday Reviews GTI. I prefer the styling, the plaid seats, the lightness, having a sunroof and the history behind it. GTI is also cheaper overall. Don't need the AWD in Vancouver either.
maybe but still, I HATE sooooo much leather/fake leather seats that I am willing to take the extra care for cloth seats. Unfortunately, all 98% of luxury cars comes with leather seats... I hate them with a passion even with heating or cooling... they have zero compfort... cloth seats are comfy, not too hot or too cold and even help the noise absorbtion in the car... I will trade leather of cloth seats any day for the sacrifice of taking extra care of them...
Stock GTI no has 230BHP which is the old PP . New GTI PP in the UK has 243BHP . Not much of a difference but has bigger brakes and dynamic suspension .
Great review, but since VW makes about 40 models of the GTI for all the world markets, it's sometimes hard to tell what is what. I read below that there's no more LSD for Canada. What? I'm in the U.S. and that sux.
Definitely like the GTI! I had 2004, 2007, 2010 but now I’m driving a 2015 black Abarth with plenty of performance mods. Having a blast with this car. GTI seem to refined compare to the Abarth. Can’t beat the stock exhaust with this car!
+TheNotoriousMAZ It was a couple of years ago and I don't remember everything about the cars I drive. Also. My experiences could differ from time. Either way, I was extremely pleased on how fun and great this car is to drive. Thanks for watching. Enjoy your car!
Great car. I'm on my 3rd GTI, MK5, MK7 and MK7.5...... One thing so great about the German is driving a 60,000km GTI still feels like driving a new car, none of the Japanese or Korean makes can match. Forget about the domestic!!
I own a pre facelift VII GTI with a manual transmission and it is a joy. Short shift, direct and prescise, plus it´s very easey to heel & toe, because the pedals have a perfect position. I test drove the GTI with a DSG before buying it and you have to admit that it is a very good gearbox and it is pefect for everyday use and you also get very nice sounding farts everytime you change gear above 4000 RPM more or less, but for pure fun and enjoyment, go for the manual. Trust me, you won´t regreet.
Wowsers isn't that a nice looking GTI, wish they would change their Plaid patterns to include the two Canadian plaids! I haven't been in a GTI since the "Rabbit" yes I'm that old, wow 140 klms a hour you must be in Maple Ridge?
+Stephen Bradley We used to have a Rabbit when I was growing up. It was a diesel and it blew black smoke something terrible. Do yourself a favour and go drive a new GTI. You won't be disappointed. They're so fun!
I'm 6'2 with a 2019 se GTI. It's a little snug but far from uncomfortable. If your more than average weight could be a problem. Your backseat passenger def needs to be like 5'8 or shorter tho.
Happy 2017 GTI owner here. I live in a major city with lots of traffic. It’s a good idea to downshift the DSG manually when you are crawling along in traffic so you don’t have turbo lag every time you have to accelerate. That is the only part I think is a hassle with my GTI, but other than that, the steering and breaking really sold me on this car. Watch the sport mode; by driving up the RPMs, you end up using a lot more gas than in drive mode.
Purchased a new 2018 GTI SE and WOW, what fun. This is my second (first was a 1985 GTI). Can't believe how much of a car you get for a 27K price tag. Mine has the DSG trans and leather. It is truly the perfect car. So much fun to drive. VW has really stepped up their game with quality control as well. Car is tight and well balanced. Luv this car!!
Walt: also just purchased a new 2018 GTI SE. Totally agree: Love, love, love this car. And, strangely, I, too, last had a 1985 VW, in that case, a nice Golf Wolfsburg Edition. New one is like yours except for the Clark Plaid cloth seats (THE reason I didn’t get Autobahn - the plaid is pure nostalgia but also super comfortable). I cannot remember having more child-like joy in a new car acquisition - ever. The lightness is what feels so good. Love the FWD, the elegance and understatement of the design - the “Q-car” stealth.
I have a 2015 GTI. and I love it. 0 issues. , glad to see not much has changed. Best daily. I'm also from BC. Love this channel.
Did you get a performance model, I'm' assuming BC is British Columbia, Canada?
I have a 2015 GTI Performance with DCC with Unitronic stage 1 & Stage 1 Dsg tune. Yes it is night and day and is much faster/quicker than a lot of cars I've driven. It's nice to see the 2018's haven't changed. Tried the R, honestly, the GTI with VAQ just drove better nice to see it will be standard now.
Hey what's up bro i just had a question, is Volkswagen hard to maintain? I'm coming from a Mercedes and am trying to get something cheaper.
the Mark 7's are pretty easy to deal with right now. No History of issues like the MK6 so only time will tell. I have 45K km on mine and have a squeak in my sunroof. I will live with it and lube it up to get rid of the squeak. No carbon billed up, No oil consumption, oil changes every 8K km but these can be pushed to 15K km if you don't modify it. Costs,
Oil/Filter changes $100 every 8K - 15K km
Tire Rotations
Brakes pad - $400-600? for the set4 haven't changed any yet
Brake disks - $600-800 for the set4? depending haven't had to replace any
Tires - 900-1400 depending on size
DSG Service - Every 60K - $600-1000 most expensive maintenance item haven't done it yet. there are kits for it though.
That's pretty much it..of course you want to watch for misfires if you mod and maybe put in a catch can to reduce the possibility of carbon build up if you drive in the city a lot. Hope that helped
IcedHooligan yeah I agree with the comment above, I have a mk5 and I have had no problems so far even with it being 2008
Absolutely agree. I have a 2015 GTI as well and its a dream. I did the Unitronic stage 1 plus tune, now it is 310 hp and 347 torque at the crank. Its insane for $700 extra. It would cost 20k extra to buy a car new with that performance over the GTI.
No sun roof on the R was a deal breaker. Bought the GTI autobahn.... king of fun and style.
I bought the base GTI, loved it for several years. Now, I'm going for the Golf R......I pick it up in two days...... can't wait!
I got a gti 7.5 with dsg and it is awesome ! Puts a smile on my face everyday , yea it’s not the most powerful car out there and can’t lap the ring in record time but it’s FUN .
Jeez. The GTI is the perfect car.
Chris Sorreda it’s so much fun to drive, my first car and I couldn’t be happier that I chose it
Brian Heaney - Theoryy Happy for you sir! I can’t imagine having all that comfort, and luxury, but still speed, and sportiness? And then it’s engine’s efficiency (if you can resist not having fun that is) haha. Hope it never has issues!
Chris Sorreda haha.... oh well
Yes sir.
for the money/fun/ride quality, you are right !
Traded BMW 235i on current 2017 GTI. Really like the GTI better. 235i is a great car, but IMHO not as good a driving experience. Definitely better for your ego, if that's important. GTI is reminiscent of my '72 2002 owned decades ago. Brian mentioned GTI is lighter than the "R". The heavier the car the slower it the responds to driver input. The quick response is a big part of the fun factor. Lots of things go into making a great driving experience, seats- driving position, feel of the controls, power, response and others, they all come together in the GTI to
make you want to hop in the car and go somewhere . . . anywhere.
S Dagle which suspension you have on each of these 2 cars and which is less firm or softer? I cannot find these type of comparison... thanks
Good review!! My GOLF GTI is the best car I've ever owned. Hands down. Love this car.
Any issues?
None. No issues. As long as you don't abuse it. It runs great.
@@unfilteredvoice3535 thanks man
Hey i leased a 2016 golf r for 2 years.. had 2 gti before that.. now I have a 2017 gti sport ... so I think im pretty good at comparing the 2 .. yes the golf r feels abit more faster in a straight line.. but.. the gti feels lighter, more fling about around turns...more playing.. a tad bit of wheel spin... the golf r is great. But if going alittle faster is all you want .. get the r ... if not the gti is a fun car to drive.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Well said.
I got the R because I live in a mountainous area with a lot of snow. I got sick of fighting the winter with my '14 GLI and my City Golf ( with new Micheline ICE X )not making up hills. This year was the worst winter but the best winter driving experience I've ever had. While everyone was spinning out and getting stuck, I just drove around them.
I do agree, the GTI is just as fun to drive, the interior nicer, has a sun roof, LED tail lights, better milage, has a spare tire and price$$ If didn't live where I do, I'd pick the GTI.
I love my 2013 gti I get soooo much versatility . It was super fun on a track and it gets 35 mpg at 65 on hiway which is amazing for the performance of this car. 28mpg doing 80 hiway is great!! It also has so much room and so comfy compared to others in its class great car
I have a 2015 with APR Stage 1. Best car I've ever owned, Mk8 will have to be a big step up for me to upgrade.
if they had reliability of honda they would be quite a brand..
The best of VW and in my opinion, best hatchback.
Just bought a DSG MK7 a couple days ago, this car is such a blast
appreciate the review from a Canadian perspective.
I test drove the GTI and it was fun no doubt but ended up buy the R. The R is thrilling. Heart pounding fun. It is in my opinion the king of hot hatches. Sure it’s heavier but tracks a corner or curve like it was on rails. No wheel spin ever. Thanks for the review.
There is no doubt the R is superior but I think a lot of people can't afford an R with crazy dealer mark ups. You can get a GTI thousands under MSRP and put a stage 1 tune and it'll keep up with an R no problem from a roll. Disregard everything I said if you want a track car because we all know the R is better in that term.
CaideN then the GTI is not the king - unless you base it on sales.
What do you mean? Did you even read my comment? Never claimed any car was king. Just stating the R is a great car and the GTI is a good car too...
The wheelspin on my 13 GTI is definitely problematic. In a straight line, it not too bad, but when trying to accelerate through a corner, the inside wheel like to spin. I'm sure the limited slip on the PP helps though. If you start modifying the GTI for more power, it'll make all of the spin happy issues worse. Thats why I think you need AWD for power levels anywhere above the stock GTI levels.
Should have done a mechanical lsd in the gti. saved yourself some money unless you push to the limit through autox.
Great mid-update. Own an Australian MK7 MY16 myself. & those times when you're in form with the gear changes (manual), are PURE BLISS. Also recently upgraded the rear tail lights to MK7.5 with sweeping indicators, mirrors with sweeping LED's & license plate white light LED's..... It's my beast & it deserves to be spoilt 😏
I'm a lifelong fan. Having owned all the generations up to the 2010 model, I just can't bring myself to part with it. I just love the car. It remains fast, familiar and yes, still so VW F U N! I think if I were to get a new one, I might have issues with the "forced upon us" 4 door. I know it's a logical option. It's just a bit different for those of us who've only had 2 doors and don't drive with others in our cars too often. Still, it's a beauty..... Oh! And it was assembled in Germany and has had zero issues...
Own a MK5 GTI because I was to sell it on behalf for a friend. Ended up buying it myself because it was so good for the money, best package of practicality and performance without breaking the bank. DSG is so good it made me consider if would ever buy a car without anymore, like BMWs with a ZF-8 spd which I used to like but now find slow for any car that is meant to be sporty.
Great review! You can tell you have kids, showing car seat fitment and the goldilocks reference made me smile. I appreciate it since car seats are a big issue finding a fun car. I think the bargan is the base model GTi, you still grt all the good performance, seats, brakes, etc. For way less. Thanks!
Really glad see that 2 children seats can fit in the back. Gonna be enough to convince my GF that I'm buying it for future "family purpose" and not only because it's a fun hatch.
my perfect cars have a 2017 GTI and this is my third GTI.
Great review! Just FYI on the pricing bit - I have a 2017 GTI Sport DSG (US trim, basically comes with lighting package, performance package, nicer wheels and proximity key) and I got it for 25k USD in April 2017, 5k off MSRP. Has everything besides leather, sunroof, and driver assistance stuff (I didn't want any of those options). Cheapest golf R in my area was on sale for about 38k, major price difference. For track performance, the GTI and the R are very close because of the power to weight ratios as you mentioned. Would only consider the R if I wanted to heavily modify it or lived in a place that had a lot of ice and snow.
YES! the GTI is still king of the hot hatch.
GTI's certainly used to be a lot more affordable, it seems. I paid $11,500 for my new MK2 1984 GTI back in the day, which is $27,772 in today's dollars! My second GTI, a new MK4 2003 GTI VR6, cost $24,000, which would cost $32,730 in today's dollars! I've had this GTI for more than 15 years now, and it has been 'bulletproof' and ultra reliable! Still fairly quick too... hits 60MPH in 6.3 seconds. I have not driven any of the more modern GTI's after 2003, and I am sure I would be thrilled at how much 'tighter' they feel. I wish I could trade mine in for a new one, but when you get to my age, major medical debt can quickly rear it's ugly head, despite having health insurance! I'd be lucky if I could now afford a Mitsubishi Mirage or Toyota Yaris, LOL!
Will a set of golf clubs fit in the back hatch area?
You want to really have fun, learn how to use manual shift, then you have full control of how your car performs; that’s why my GTI is manual...always!!
I, and many others, hope that GTI long term reliability is good these days.
I’m looking to buy this car in the next few months and I can’t say I got much information about what the long term ownership experience will be like. You basically just went through the specs and focussed on whether its good for a quick fang around the backroads. Too many reviewers jump from car to car and forget the important things that lead to a good ownership experience. We know the car is quick. But Is the suspension and steering comfortable for normal driving? Is the seating position sufficently adjustable or is it too high like in most VWs, are the controls where you expect them to be? What are the servicing and common repair costs?
Once I graduate and start working, my two car line-up will be a newer-ish GTi (Mk6 or 7) and an older Miata. But if I can only get away with having one car it'll have to be the GTi. It's so damn impressive. Plaid seats are a must though.
Great review! I like your great description on the drive and feel.
How do you get plaid with sunroof? I had a 2009 gti with 2doors, plaid seats and sunroof and I loved it. Why no 2 doors anymore? VW what are you doing?
I have a pre-facelift Mk7 GTI and I love it. Stage 1 APR turns it into a pocket rocket. It's the most fun car I've driven in a while. I was initially going to upgrade to the Golf R. However, once I laid my eyes on the RS3 I had to go for it... If I was to choose between the S3 and Golf R, I'd gone with the Golf R.
How much was the Stage 1 APR and how much difference did it make? RS3, super sweet ride. How does that compare to your GTI?
Everyday Reviews My local APR tuner charged me $780 USD if I recall correctly. I didn't get to dyno my car but the numbers on APR's website seem accurate. As far as real world difference goes, it is night and day. I've owned faster cars than the GTI, so I wasn't too impressed by the GTI's power in stock form. But with a stage 1 tune now, it is one of the quickest cars I've driven. Oh, and I should have mentioned that I don't have my RS3 yet. I ordered mine so it'll be here in 2 to 3 months.
Stage 1 makes a significant difference in power
How do you find or cope with the extrawheel spin that seems to result from the extra power ?
Saul Moreira just hold on for the ride!
Very nice review. I have a Passat with APR stage 2. These cars are great buy, if you want more power upgrade it to APR.
Where was that tunnel that you went under located? (I also live in Vancouver)
Where was this tested? I like the mountains and the road where the tests were done. Nice.
My favourite car of all time
Yes. Still the king of hatchbacks. Other car companies will introduce a good hatchback here and there but GTI is the best.
$10K price difference between the GTI and Golf R, and that's if your local dealer doesn't mark up the R you want, as they're hard to come by. My advice? Buy a GTI, get a manual gearbox, spend some of the difference on some modest mods, pocket the difference. Enoy!
Oh, also, ditch the OEM all-season rubber as soon as you can, they hold back the car massively! Invest in a set of summer tires, you'll thank me later. I got a set of Firestone Firehawk Indy 500s off of Tire Rack, got everything shipped and installed for under $600. WOW! Massive improvement, I can hang with pretty much anything in the twisties now.
I bought a focus st had it for 2 days and then traded it in for a mk7 gti, I lost $1,000 on the deal but I couldnt be happier! Gti is fun to drive and all around practical and has way more luxury than the st, the st felt cheap and like a kids car sure its a tiny bit faster but I drive to work not on the track everyday
My man! 🙌 Yes, I echo this statement all day long. I've ridden in the ST and it SCREAMS cheap!
Looks fantastic in White Silver Metallic.
What would you prefer a manual or a DSG? I have been driving sticks since 85.
Also one thing that bothers me is the clutch based lsd. It means one day it will need to be replaced. If you keep the car forever, you will need to replace 3 clutches in the car. Just bothers me because I’m assuming vw could of used another type of mechanical lsd that doesn’t need clutch replacement
My GTI is ordered, and should arrive in a month or so. Autobahn version, 6 speed manual. My first car was a 1976 Rabbit, so returning to my roots, perhaps. My question for this forum is; should I consider the extended warranty? At almost $3K for 8 years coverage for almost everything, it's a bit steep. Thoughts?
Rick Phillips I think it's worth it. My 2014 GTI had a failure in my manifold that caused $3k of damage if it was outside of warranty.This failure occurred at about 40k miles. Without warranty I would have been screwed.
How are the headlight at night?
Did VW integrate the collision sensors into the bumper this year? On the 2017 you had the 2" x 2" cutout in the bottom grill area, similar to the new Accord. That's no longer the case with the new model. They must have integrated the sensors into the bumper. Looks much cleaner this year.
looks like the 2018 GTI/Golf R will be released in 1Q 2019?
Does anyone know if the Canadian version will have dynamic flowing turn signals like they do in Europe
it can be programmed. so don't worry about it.
$39K plus freight, taxes, etc., pushes this GTI toward $50K. Just a bit too high for me. I ended up finding a very low metrage (9,500km) 2016 CPO Audi A3 Technik w/quattro for just a shade under $36K. (The 11 year old trade took care of most of the taxes.) Though I love the practicality of the Golf hatchback, and probably would have got an R, my wife hates the Golf's shape. So as not to sleep in the backyard, I "settled" for the A3. And after this winter, I'm really glad I had the quattro/4 motion set up.
Can you confirm if the VAQ differential and bigger brakes from the Golf R are included on the 2018 GTI Autobahn in Canada? I know they were included on the pre refresh GTI PP but haven’t heard any mention of them on the 2018 models (only referring to Canada as US trims and options are different)
Certainly the brakes are. VW Canada now has updated their website with the 2018 GTIs.
Rick Phillips Any idea about the VAQ diff?
It's a Cross-Differential system (XDS) to reduce inside wheel-spin.
For Canada these features are standard.
Lucky
Isn't the DSG automatic in the face-lifted model a 7 speed? or am I mistaken?
Kyle'sEdits only for the R
What trim option is this?
Is it in America yet?
I wish VW offered AWD across the range... like a few thousand dollars option on every model. The R is quite a step up in terms of price and while I understand that you get more with the R, it's not all stuff you necessarily want - when all you need is the AWD that's a tough pill to swallow.
I have a 2017 GTI Sport with a manual transmission, so much fun.
Test drove both the manual and the DSG and there's no contest the manual is so much more fun and involving for the driver.
Anyone thinking about getting a GTI go for the manual transmission you won't regret it.
Automatics are for ladies, remember that gentleman.
My wife regrets it! LOL
AudiophileTubes your wife regrets which one?
My manual transmission GTI. There are those rare moments when her car is out of commission and she needs to use my car. She can't drive manual.
with you brother, automatic transmission are too boring.
Very informative video. Well done.
Isn't reverse camera a requirement for all 2018+ cars now?
FYI - the four wheel drive on the R only kicks in when you need it. So mostly a front wheel.
Between 2500 and 3000 rpm is right in the sweet spot
What trim is this?
Ugh ... when will the 2018 be released in the US?!
When the hell is this coming out? There is no release date info anywhere...
Elliot Jay January or February in the U.S. that’s according to my local Volkswagen dealer
Thanks. I may very well end up buying one.
Have a 2016 Autobahn and I love it. Fun car
is it a harsh ride for daily driving or bad roads?
No it's not. It's meant to be a daily driver. I've been driving mine daily since last year and it's a beast. Gets great gas mileage on a turbo charged engine. I recommend.
When is the mk7.5 finally coming out?! Every other 2018 vw is at dealerships already.
A couple have started to arrive (London, ON). Mine, ordered, needs another 5 weeks.
Great video... I'm looking to get one :)
Ooh, I hadn't realized the digital cockpit wasn't available on the petrol GTI in NA; bummer! I doubt I'm going to be able to afford the E or the R. I currently own a 2011 DSG bought with 50K miles, and I'm looking for a replacement in the next few years - so reviews like this one are exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks!
I truly believe that VW has finally created RELIABLE cars. I think the MK7 was their test to see how well it does in reliability. Since the MK7 has proven reliability for 3 years, VW is no longer afraid to offer 6 years and 72k miles of warranty.
Where are you? What pretty scenery.
dry509 He’s in BC, our westernmost province.
Which colour is this? is it Pure white?
Yep.
I Have 3 Car seats in the back of my Modded 400HP DSG Mark 7 GTI..
I owned a 2016 6 speed. The car was everything I needed it to be. The only sore spot was the transmission. This car is best with the DSG, I'm sorry but it's true. Not saying that the manual isn't worth getting, but the car is geared more for the DSG transmission and the manual has a lot of quirks, mainly a very weak and vague clutch. Really wish they put the full digital dash in the GTIs. It's such a cool feature. But honestly, if you want a pretty fast car and are on a new car budget sub $25,000, the MK7 GTI is the best choice in the segment by far.
The VW GTI always has been and always will be King of the hot hatch!
A proud MK 6 owner with over 100k on her.
I Love my pearl white 2013 mk.7 gti, although it has a stage 2 apr upgrade & a tuned dsg auto with 19" niche mags & michelin pilot sport 4s. so i got a great buy at $23k.,& 58ks. with the dsg servived. Also i was amazed the owner gave me a set of clubsport 18" alloys with the sale. but the car is way nicer inside than my focusRS Except for the RS's lovely & comfy(i'm 5'8') equiped recaro seats. it's quite a nimble car compared to the planted R model & the pilot sport tyres give it a solid feel on the road..would highly recommend the mk.7 gti to any sporty car enthusiast to go & buy one, they are that good, & even get one with the stage tune as it makes them such a blast to drive!-my poor 997turbo is getting jelous of it's playful nature!-cheers all happy golfing..
No digital dash? I thought we were getting that in 2018?
99SVTBolt analog is better anyway.
I've been debating between getting an ex-demo GTI or R and couldn't make up my mind as to whether the extra grand or two I'd need to spend was worth it but a GTI looks more than enough.
Great review! I got to drive the 2016 or 17 GTI with the performance pack, and I really think it is brilliant. I have a Scirocco R from 12 and the updated interior with its style and elegance coupled with the DSG gearbox and the new 2.0 litre engine, makes it a brilliant car over my older scirocco. I do still love mine though. Thanks again! :-)
+Max Klinkby I love the Scirroco! You're so lucky. We don't get that car on this side of the pond.
I know, we are very lucky! I love it too, it's basically a squashed sportier golf and I love it. :-) Keep up the great vids!
missed out on an opportunity to get one of these last year...Given how they've added content to these things and now have something resembling a warranty, the next time I have an opportunity to get one of these, It's happening.
first car I ever bought that I want to keep forever... I have a Eurodyne tune and downpipe with intake... I'm beating golf Rs on the highway so...
I feel the same way about my 2016, 40,000 miles later.
Damn that sucks you can't get the virtual cockpit in NA. That was the real selling point for me over a year or two older Mk 7 GTi.
Gti or wrx?
I'm sad that the Canadian market doesn't get a limited slip differential anymore, the US market gets it on the higher trims. I will probably get one next summer anyway.
PS: The 2018 Golf R gets a 7 speed dual clutch transmission.
+Michael Zhu Are you going to go for the GTI or Golf R?
Everyday Reviews GTI. I prefer the styling, the plaid seats, the lightness, having a sunroof and the history behind it. GTI is also cheaper overall. Don't need the AWD in Vancouver either.
Great job 👍..
AMEN for cloth seats !!
Aleziss They look great but hard to clean 😕. Would have to be pedantic with these beautiful cloth seats
maybe but still, I HATE sooooo much leather/fake leather seats that I am willing to take the extra care for cloth seats. Unfortunately, all 98% of luxury cars comes with leather seats... I hate them with a passion even with heating or cooling... they have zero compfort... cloth seats are comfy, not too hot or too cold and even help the noise absorbtion in the car... I will trade leather of cloth seats any day for the sacrifice of taking extra care of them...
But seats look so ugly for such expensive car
Dude, if I'm not mistaken, the 2018 GTI puts out around 245 HP with the performance package and not 220 HP.
No more performance package. All GTI's now have 220HP. Are you in North America? European models may be specd different,
Everyday Reviews I'm in Illinois but yeah the reviews I saw b4 were either from the UK / Germany. Thank you for the clarification!
+Vishnu Kumar Kailash Kumar They have better fuel than ours, put out more power.
Stock GTI no has 230BHP which is the old PP . New GTI PP in the UK has 243BHP . Not much of a difference but has bigger brakes and dynamic suspension .
I feel like that hidden backup camera is just built to fail. Hopefully I'm just being overly pessimistic.
Great review, but since VW makes about 40 models of the GTI for all the world markets, it's sometimes hard to tell what is what. I read below that there's no more LSD for Canada. What? I'm in the U.S. and that sux.
Gti or st???
Definitely like the GTI! I had 2004, 2007, 2010 but now I’m driving a 2015 black Abarth with plenty of performance mods. Having a blast with this car. GTI seem to refined compare to the Abarth. Can’t beat the stock exhaust with this car!
Is it only me that noticed he's got a manual handbrake in that when all the golfs in the uk now have an electric handbrake
JiMb0 _ the golfs in NA still have a physical ebrake which in my opinion is better
It's December 26, 2017 and the GTI still hasn't made it to the local dealerships in California.
If you get a GTI, you get a damn stick man.
I agree. I have one. It makes driving more engaging.
Pretty sure the virtual cockpit is going to be an option here in the US.
It's standard here in the UK :)
How come you acted like you haven't driven the MK7 GTI before? I watched your review of the pre-facelifted model before I bought my car.
+TheNotoriousMAZ It was a couple of years ago and I don't remember everything about the cars I drive. Also. My experiences could differ from time. Either way, I was extremely pleased on how fun and great this car is to drive. Thanks for watching. Enjoy your car!
Great car. I'm on my 3rd GTI, MK5, MK7 and MK7.5...... One thing so great about the German is driving a 60,000km GTI still feels like driving a new car, none of the Japanese or Korean makes can match. Forget about the domestic!!
Did you try the manual? Which trans is more fun?
dry509 manual is funner
I own a pre facelift VII GTI with a manual transmission and it is a joy. Short shift, direct and prescise, plus it´s very easey to heel & toe, because the pedals have a perfect position. I test drove the GTI with a DSG before buying it and you have to admit that it is a very good gearbox and it is pefect for everyday use and you also get very nice sounding farts everytime you change gear above 4000 RPM more or less, but for pure fun and enjoyment, go for the manual. Trust me, you won´t regreet.
Wowsers isn't that a nice looking GTI, wish they would change their Plaid patterns to include the two Canadian plaids! I haven't been in a GTI since the "Rabbit" yes I'm that old, wow 140 klms a hour you must be in Maple Ridge?
+Stephen Bradley We used to have a Rabbit when I was growing up. It was a diesel and it blew black smoke something terrible. Do yourself a favour and go drive a new GTI. You won't be disappointed. They're so fun!
Can someone who is 6'2" fit in this?
I'm 6'2 with a 2019 se GTI. It's a little snug but far from uncomfortable. If your more than average weight could be a problem. Your backseat passenger def needs to be like 5'8 or shorter tho.
@@BrandonLove1 Thanks bud, appreciate it.