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Do you remember when Chad first met Tammy, upon his return from his mission- he stated he knew he was going to marry a blonde - Tammy was thin at the time with blonde short hair.
I would like Lauren to know that she speaks too rapidly and runs her words together, almost slurring. If she could slow down a bit, I could undertand the entirety of what she says.
I am shocked to that the jailers called him a slug!! I have thought that of him from the beginning. I thought I had come up with this term. 😂 So now, to me, this is his official title!😂
@hiddentruecrime lauren it would be wooonderful if you could get Garth and Melanie Pol. to read the James and Elena story for us. They sound so similar to Lori and Chesus! P.S ur Chesus hand ballet performance at the beginning of the video was lovely. You were definitely in the moment and feeling it. A soft ladylike chad thumbs up👍!!
They both will be happily ever after behind bars visiting one another through the portals? On pretty eyes and alibis gigi gave an inside account of what it's like behind bars and a lifer said More often than not people stop believing in a religion rather than having a belief. If this happens lori would realise what they did was horrendous to these kids and Tammy Charles and god knows who ever else. Not sure she ll come to a realisation though or chad. Perhaps they will. Who knows. It's all so crazy they gave up their freedom's for some sickness of the mind jmo
I think Slug had been fixated on his brother Matt forever; his success in business, life AND his beautiful wife. He said Heather had caused him trouble his "whole life". He was also fixated on her, thus his hatred for her when she questioned his visions.
It makes me so sad that Chad described his relationship to Tammy as vanilla. How dare he destroy her loyalty to him in this way? If only Tammy had waited for somebody who truly valued and loved her?
Although I wonder if it was better for her to know - harsh reality of what he was like. Perhaps somewhere in her psyche she knew. If I was her I'd be so disappointed how her children responded/ accepted Lauri and are paying money into prison account. I wonder how they can justify still doing it (if they are) especially given Chads defense being "it was Lauri" and her brother.
@dsoule did you see how he is more alert when people are crying upset and when the photos of the kids were being shown. Almost like he was taking pleasure in his handy work? And on a separate note hiding the laptop screen from the bailiff during side bar? Weird af
@@sula1529 I've no idea. I think the pair of them are idiots, they both had wonderful spouses. Lori's not a patch on Tammy. If you watch Heather Daybells 3 part interview with Lauren & John, you get an insight into the controling aspects, which stems from his father.
Totally off topic, but Lauren and John have such a beautiful relationship. Through all of this your relationship has giving me so much hope on what love” actually is.
IMO ! Lauren gives a lot of respect to John. She listens carefully to him. Many times John is distracted and doesn’t look at her, his attention is other places, fidgety … just body language that says he’s better than . Not so much on this video…generally And IMO!
@@kaylabryson1932I am not in their relationship, but they seem to compliment one another in their TH-cam presentations. From an outsiders’ opinion, you may be projecting
@@kaylabryson1932where do you come up with that? LOL he’s a doctor! 😂😂😂😂😂 They are a team! Who do you think kept everything going with their kids while she was gone? Sheesh! They both work hard. And so what if one stayed home? Couples do that, still! But they don’t! I don’t know where you even came up with that comment 🤦🏼♀️
I really think Lori would have dumped Chad once the dust had settled. Even if they had managed to get away with all the murders, once the everyday reality of living with a loser like Chad [who had sponged on his first wife] became her new normal she would have been shocked to realise that she would have to become the breadwinner. I really believe that whatever insurance money they managed to scam had dried up, she would realised he was a broke loser and he had no intention of doing an honest day’s work.
@@Cassie-pt7mtI think he was in limerence. I think she was motivated by snagging the prophet while being told by the prophet that she was the most powerful immortal goddess in the multiverse. So he was motivated by FINALLY getting to have sex with and marry the hottest cheerleader of his dreams. And she was motivated by FINALLY getting to be god, and oh yeah, the free insurance money from killing all those ppl so she never had to work as a hairdresser again.
I'm glad this "Love Story" has been made public if for no other reason than to humiliate Chad. I hope his kids read/hear it and eventually realize what a immature creep he is.
But I don't think it did humiliate him! Did you see how attentive he was as it was read in court? I think he is too stupid to realize that people were ridiculing it, instead he thought that it showed how glorious & studly he is. I'm serious! He was not looking embarrassed, fiddling with stuff on his desk, or playing with his hands, but instead had his head turned toward the witness with rapt attention, at least when I was watching. I think he was actually proud of it.
I don’t think for a moment he was humiliated by this. He thinks his juvenile scribblings are good and it doesnt occur to him that people are laughing at him
I found Chapter 3 of "James and Alena" !! It's a bit short, but here it is: James began to awaken. With his eyes still closed, his first thought was of his goddess Alena, whom he would soon take into his arms. He was looking forward to her soft lips pressing against his and the things that would follow from that. James rolled over in bed and opened his eyes. He was greeted by the toothless, stubbly-bearded smile of his cellmate Chucky, who sent him a friendly “What’s up, bro?”. James closed his eyes again.
This story had more loins in it than a meat section at the Walmart 🤦🏼♀️ It’s like looking inside the mind of a psycho, and an immature one at that! I loved Dr John’s analysis of it! Great livestream! I also appreciate Dr John has a heart as big as Lauren’s!
When you speak about Chad being neat and orderly it made me think about the way JJs burial site was described - the stones or rocks in an orderly fashion. I think his burial site was purely the work of Chad.
I thought this as well. Alex was NOT a meticulous and orderly person in the least. This was also on Chads property where he was planning on living-I don’t think he would have tolerated a messy “pet” cemetery. If he was trying to put a manufactured home on that part of the land, JJs burial site would have been disturbed and potentially exposed if things were not orderly on the surface. I think even covered with a slab, he would be bothered by the disorderly area. I’m not officially OCD diagnosed, and we’re trying to filter things through the lens of autism (received this year at 39), but I do fit the profile including intrusive. It would bug ME if the area under the slab was disordered chaos-not that I would ever have a body there knowingly.
@@rachelann9362 Exactly. I wonder how far in advance this was plotted and prepared. I’m sure Chad would have planned exactly what would be needed and had everything organized and ready. I remember hearing there was a lot less time for one of the children’s burials than the other. I’ll have to go back and listen. I do think poor Tylee was murdered by Alex and Lori in Loris’s apartment under Chad’s direction. So incredibly evil.
@@NutellaGorilla-qj4ihI feel like the plan might have been to burn both bodies in the fire pit so there would be little left of them to find but burning Tylee proved harder than they though so they buried what was left of her and just buried JJ as quickly as they could. If Tylee was killed first by Alex, the chaos of Tylee’s disposal was most likely his doing. The orderly burial of JJ was most likely Chad’s doing… IMO 🤷🏼♀️
There’s something that resonates, Chads sweeping desire/lust for “Elena.” Why call her “Elena?” It really dehumanizes her and gives himself permission to unleash himself on her in his mind. It’s uncomfortable to say, but it reminds me of what Hannibal Lecter said to Clarese… “We begin by coveting what we see every day. Don't you feel eyes moving over your body, Clarice? And don't your eyes seek out the things you want?” I think Chad was suuuuper jealous AND envious of his brother Matt, he couldn’t help but want to one-up his brother in every way. Heather, I’m absolutely certain, was prime on Chad and Lori’s hit list. I’m glad the rampage stopped when it did. I pray that the community that allowed this demagoguery to occur LEARNS something!!! Dissenting voices are essential in healthy societies. We can all learn to be more brave and adhere to truth telling and hold integrity dear. I love pot-stirrers like Kay and Heather. You bet Chad feels like he’s been knocked 360 degrees with a frypan when they appear in his thoughts in his jail cell. Still boggles my mind that Chad and Lori thought (and still believes?) that they’re going to get away with murder. Murder. May justice be served cold, for and
Wow, now here’s a thought. Was there a secret lust for the statuesque, tall blond Heather, a woman who was not “bland” in any way? Is that why he disliked her even more? I agree about Matt 100 % and believe that he was one of the reason to move to Rexburg.
I think Chad's jealousy of his brothers' success was a big part of why he shot himself in the foot by showing off his new bride so soon after Tammy's passing. It sickened his friends and neighbors, but it was an absolute need he had to say "See? See what I can get?" as soon as possible. He wanted his brothers and his community to see what a devastatingly virile man he must be to get a woman like that. He thought he had arrived.
Great observation. 💯 CD mentions at least in one place, I can’t remember where I learned it. Probably on this channel. That CD brings up his sibling’s advanced degrees, and in such a way that he sounds jealous of them and their success. Heather is a physically beautiful woman, she and her husband are successful and have that stunning home and property. Then Heather had a much higher calling in the church than CD ever had, to my understanding. Chad was probably attracted to Heather and hated her all the same time. I think that along with Melanie B. P.’s 2 children, Heather would have been in danger as well. Great comment, I liked reading your thoughts.
MOST IMPORTANT TO NOTE : Chad was definitely driving this train aa he manipulated the deaths of her side first to test her commitment strength before killing Tammy. He wanted to ensure he really had Lori... He definitely is the mastermind of these murders... So Sick
YES to Loin Fire being a middle school story. You unlocked memory of the time I wrote a preteen smut novel about 2 of my 8th grade classmates. My mom found it and her and my dad read it and laughed so hard. They actually kept it with some of my other "creative" literature pieces🤓. I had to hunt that back up and destroy it before my mom read it to my Aunts or something
Just like Keith Raniere from his Nexium cult, the narcissist cult leader wants to record or document their own movements 100% of the time. Ultimately, it’s their downfall! Thank God!
We are focusing on Chad because he authored this mess but when you put the two stories together it’s pretty clear they both need the constant validation and both need to be as important as God himself. Lori had multiple marriages with normal men who expected her to behave like a normal wife and mother, with Chad she was an Exalted Goddess. And Chad used these ridiculous lines on many women and was just waiting for one to bite down on that hook. They are a prefect storm, without them joining together these tragedies would not have happened. IMO they are equally influencing each other and their followers and all are to blame equally. As Larry says, “Who sits and prays for Charles Tylee JJ and Tammy to die and NOBODY stands up and says THIS IS WRONG” Chad and Lori’s delusions were the core of it but there was an inner circle that is also culpable.
Though he seemingly never physically hit her, (though the bruising that Prior states was ‘older’ could be evidence of this) Tammy was a victim of domestic violence before Chad killed her. She likely would have blamed herself for not being ‘good enough’. Chad’s family is a narcissistic family system.
I know this was tough for Dr. John to revisit, but I have never listened to this before and want to present the opinion that it is actually important to recognize the absurdity. If more people were exposed to this fantastical love-bombing, and more importantly see the absurdity of it pointed out, perhaps more people would question love-bombing if it occurs early in a relationship and realize it is not coming from a healthy mindset and may even be coming from a manipulative and/or conniving one. So, thank you for reliving this.
I felt bad when Dr.John needed to pause when thinking about the victims here. I think its okay to laugh at the absurdity of Chads writing because this is such a heavy case and none of us will ever forget Tylee,, JJ and Charles. I choose to believe that they are in a safe and loving place now and would laugh along with us. Happy Mother’s Day, Lauren! 💕🌸🌹🌷🌻🌼
My husband says this book is the his prison sentence, what gives him his guilty verdict. I agree he wrote his own evidence, but his narcissistic mind just doesn’t see it.
I feel like making this a mockery honors the victims in this. Humor is my coping mechanism. I really feel so sad for everyone, but especially poor Tammy. My heart breaks for her, the more I hear about this "love" affair.
You two do well together…….my Husband is a Clinical Forensic Psychologist (Retired). He’s in the hospital right now, having a hard time with his health…but him and I have followed this since before COvid. (Years). Sooooo, I know he’ll love to watch this, so I will be sending it to him, thank you! Mike was mainly into Child Custody cases and Sex offenders (he had 3 sex offender classes (?) a week). He said the hardest type of case was the Child Custody cases………he was REALLY GOOD in what he did. He was one of the Psychologists in our Valley that would appear in court for his clients. Thank you, I enjoyed this video.
Lauren- re: your cough. If it’s a mostly dry cough that’s hanging on and on after a cold/ respiratory illness, you may benefit from from talking to your doctor about getting an inhaler (like for asthma). Sometimes the illness causes the cough, the cough causes irritation/ inflammation in the airways, which causes more coughing which causes more inflammation- and it becomes self-perpetuating until you use something to calm the inflammation. Worth seeing your primary care doctor about.
I've been worrying about covid going round and round that courtroom - remember it hasn't gone anywhere, we're just not testing and tracing anymore. Home tests are expired. Repeat exposure increases risk of long covid, cardiac and other complications.
Chad had the attention of a lot of ladies, Lori, Melanie, Melani, Audrey, Christina, Zulema, Serena, Julie Rowe... Do you think it has anything to do with his willingness to bestow 'powers and leadership roles' upon women who typically don't get those type roles in normal LDS life?
I don’t think Lori was “physically” attracted to him. I think she more or less worshipped him, her attraction was the opposite of Chad’s. It was more spiritual and more in the sense that she found someone who shared all her insane beliefs. Plus, she was being called a “goddess” so she was having her ego fed, which is what a narcissist most desires and needs.
I love when Lauren and Dr John take time out to praise each other. It’s very special that they let us see that. It keeps me believing in love and romance.
"That MUTUAL reciprocal influence/radicalization that pushes them into that fantasy world that they cannot escape from (...), not managing to distinguish fantasy of reality; and the danger of living in that fantasy territory when there is a lack of empathy" That is so much accurate, Dr. John! Thank you!
I love the "lunch live" it cuts through all the extraneous material and hits the most important points ... you are extremely knowledgeable about the subject matter!!! Also love your podcast.
I love the lunch live too! I watch alone and it feels great to have a place and a group to debrief the craziness with. It's also cool to get the inside scoop on what's going on in the court room. The lunch lives are the best!!
If we can't take stuff like this and have a break and laugh and just think of the absurdity of it , then we shouldn't even be in the True Crime because it cannot be dark all the time
This is my favorite episode so far. Made me laugh, made me cry. Laughing not because it’s funny but so ridiculous. Dr John’s psychological insights were helpful and made so much sense. Chad has such low self esteem he has to overcompensate by coming across as a powerful leader with all the answers. Thank you. Happy Mother’s Day. You two make such a cute couple❤
I cant believe, two middle-aged people carried on like this. Its so bazzar, and the worst is four innocent human beings, had to be murderd, because of thier insane affair. 🤨
@@SusanaXpeace2u or 6 if you count Joe Ryan! I think any and everyone that resulted in an insurance payout should be looked at! She was a black widow for sure.
I always look forward to Dr John’s psychological insights on criminal behavior. I never liked crime shows until I found your TH-cam channel. The two of you work perfectly together.
This is very sad to me. Being a victim of my Ex husband who left me for another women. My heart hurts terribly for Tammy. I am praying for JUSTICE for Tammy, Tylee and JJ and Charles. This was all based on LUST....while Tammy was at home being a good wife and mom Mr. Dumbell was out doing this This letter triggers my past. He's a disgusting pig. I am praying for the death penalty. Happy Mothers Day Lauren. Love your hard work for us.
I think being in general population for the rest of his life will be worse than death penalty. The men will make his life more of a hell than it would on death row. He would have to watch his back constantly.
Lauren you just shine as you return back home!!! I'm so happy your home with your darling family! Thanks for all you do to communicate this trial to us!
You two are a terrific example of what listening to one another in a relationship looks like. And having respect for each other. I find you both so very likeable as well with great insight and observational abilities.
Awh Dr. John you are such wonderful husband to Lauren. I know you really missed her . I'm happy to see you both with each other. Thank you for your sacrifices and hard work.❤
I agree with Dr. John. I, too, feel some empathy for Zulema. To be sexually abused from age 7 from a father figure and to grow up in such a toxic abusive environment as she did left her vulnerable, broken, and alone. She was desperate for love, connection, family, and a place she felt secure. She tried to find those things in marriage but after 6 failed attempts she was still searching. People like Chad and Lori look for types like Zulema to recruit as damaged, lost, lonely, misplaced people in society are the easiest to groom and perfect to manipulate. People like Zulema never stand a chance once they're sucked into a cult like environment. This in no way excuses the fact that, like others involved, who knew what was going on, she should have spoken up. She clearly knows more than she's let on, and the defence is going to hit her hard as a result of that. It will be interesting to see whether Prior is able to extract more of the truth from her when she next faces him.
Narcissists emotional maturity is stunted at the age of 6/7 years. They are also terribly insecure and spend much of their energy developing a persona that others admire. This admiration is required because they are deeply insecure. How do I know? I was married to one and once I no longer loved and admired him because of his infidelity he turned into an ugly person who threatened my life. Never underestimate a narcissist!
I have this video paused at one second. The LOVE I see in both Lauren and John's eyes, just gladdens my heart and makes my heart feel as big as the moon. 🥰
I tune in from Central Coast, NSW Australia. Each day the trial starts is midnight here. So when I wake the next morning I search your lunch live update. I really appreciate the updates. Happy Mother's Day Lauren your a wonderful Mumma!
I remember hearing from a visitor that when Tammy opened the door Chud popped up and told Tammy 'go get on with your geneology' in that horrible controlled voice of his told me all I needed to know about their marriage
This is the epitome of a supportive, healthy and loving marriage and partnership. You can just see how they adore eachother and really respect eachother and their crafts. It's so awesome. Both brilliant in their own minds and my favourite channel.
Actually there are many parallels to Saturday's Warrior themes "These are the stronger warriors, saved for Saturday", "they must learn who they are and why they're here" (= James and Elena, to lead the 144 000)
When Chad calls her an archangel and a warrior it makes me think he is readying her for the idea of having to do hard things. Like killing her husband and children.
Hello Lauren, I am a relatively-new subscriber. I turn to your coverage on this CD trial. Thank you for working so hard to keep us up to date. I appreciate your coverage, and I value your integrity. You look really pretty wearing red, too.
It’s gratifying that you two are so thoughtful about the content. I trust you and appreciate Dr. John’s objective analysis and Lauren’s empathy and hard work.
I enjoyed this very much. I started watching it last night, but finished this morning. The "loin fire" bs had me laughing so hard I almost peed my pants. (I had a hysterectomy last Sept. Still having issues!) Anyway, I really needed that, as I'm a special needs mom and have a whole slew of health problems. Often, I feel we have to laugh to keep from crying. Thank you for all you do, Lauren and John. You're a great couple! And thank you, especially, for your beautiful hearts! ❤️ Happy Mother's Day, Lauren! 💐
What a lot of people don’t realize is that for a narcissist, this love-bombing behaviour actually comes from their intense feelings, and they don’t even know that’s what they are doing. They genuinely think they have found their soulmate. Then when things get “boring”, or they lose interest because they aren’t capable of true intimacy, they’ll start to find problems with the person they idealized in the first place, and then repeat that same cycle with someone else, discarding the first partner without any real feelings toward them any longer. Love bombing isn’t intentionally malicious in the beginning, narcissists really do idealize the person and believe in their own bullshit.
I'm struck by John's reaction during the reading. He needed a moment. As Lauren laughed, John was quietly remembering the victims. Thank you, John, for that.
On the rewatch crew. I'm so glad y'all read this. It offers some levity to the horrific pain and destruction left in their wake. This is like having a harlequin romance novel being read😂😂
Something worth considering is the impact their religion had on their behaviors. Chad writes about limiting their sexual activities by keeping clothing on and then he gives it a religious tone by giving her a spiritual blessing during a sexual encounter. Yet where was the religion when it came to taking the lives of their family members whose main crime was being an inconvenience to their ability to have time alone? I also think Chad's description that Lori's love made him mad and crazy is accurate.
It's not religion and it's not religions fault. It's the way they decided to perceive it and in this case it's the way they decided to take something and use it to manipulate each other and others. It's individuals making horrible choices and using whatever they can in their lives and use it to do their own evil purposes. And that can be any thing somebody has in their life and no blame goes to something completely and utterly outside of these human beings and their actions just because they decide to use it in their evil evil plans
And anybody who blames religion is doing exactly what these people want. Anybody who blames religion is taking the responsibility at least in part from the shoulders of those who are doing things they absolutely know are wrong
Chad is an evil person. He was disloyal to his beautiful wife. He is a murder and will spend the rest of his life in jail, then in the next life he will be punished by Heavenly Father. He is a very sad person.
Laughing at the writing is okay and makes the whole thing so extraordinary. I am so happy that Tammy’s friends got to let us know more about her. Do you think that Kay would ever be able to tell us a bit more about Charles as I feel he is an unsung hero. I completely understand if she doesn’t want to. Love you both. Am getting the article recommended.
you both are so kind to keep the tragedy in mind as these two psychopaths destroyed many people’s lives. thank you for your sensitivity. I’ve watched every day of trial and appreciate your lunch updates. Your insight and review of the psychological development of the individuals at play is powerful.
Geez Lauren you got yourself an amazing man that he's so sensitive and thoughtful... I’m not sure if I knew that men like him existed. You are that’s a lovely couple.
In the 80’s in LDS communities there was a musical called Saturday’s warriors. In the musical , look up the song “ circle of our love”. The first part is in his book.
It’s heartbreaking for the 4 lives lost over this foolishness Love you Lauren & Dr John for all the work you do to educate us on these personalities to watch for
It was lovely seeing Mr & Mrs back together & Dr John crediting all Lauren means to their family. Great to see them laugh together & im sure any Gems that know their work, don’t even think for a moment that they are laughing at the atrocities carried out by these people..
I am sorry that this case was so sad. But I couldn’t help to laugh as well when listening to you both covering the James and Aleena story. Totally junior high vibe 😂 Great coverage!
I was late getting on. Ya'll had me laughing so hard. I can understand why Dr. John feels like he does; however, when this first came out we didn't know everything we know now.
I think I’ve read every Kathleen Woodwiss book ever written, all steamy, vibrant and seductive and classy. Chad has never read a romance novel, his loin fire (my spellcheck wanted to change the word to bonfire!) is so beyond his imagination he resorts to Scientific Phenomena!!! My neighbors can hear my laughter, I’m certain of it. And it’s 11:30 at night!!!! Thanks you two!! Sending joy your way, Lauren. Happy Mother’s Day 💐
@@lulubells930 my mother in law got me started on her books over forty years ago, I never read a romance novel by any other author, just her. Which makes Chads attempt that much more comedic. Asinine really. I’m certain Chads books would give my headache a headache. Who in the world could take him seriously?!
This case is so fascinating !! This gigantic rotten onion that keeps bringing surprise after surprise when it comes to human behavior gone REALLY wrong . That is why I come to your channel for input . And some really needed laughter processing these evil deeds . Thank you both and thank you Gems !!
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Do you remember when Chad first met Tammy, upon his return from his mission- he stated he knew he was going to marry a blonde - Tammy was thin at the time with blonde short hair.
I would like Lauren to know that she speaks too rapidly and runs her words together, almost slurring. If she could slow down a bit, I could undertand the entirety of what she says.
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I am shocked to that the jailers called him a slug!! I have thought that of him from the beginning. I thought I had come up with this term. 😂 So now, to me, this is his official title!😂
@hiddentruecrime lauren it would be wooonderful if you could get Garth and Melanie Pol. to read the James and Elena story for us. They sound so similar to Lori and Chesus!
P.S ur Chesus hand ballet performance at the beginning of the video was lovely. You were definitely in the moment and feeling it. A soft ladylike chad thumbs up👍!!
Chuds hands are so pretty because he made Tammy do ALL the work.
Good one
….and wore gloves to dig graves in the pet cemetery IMO 🙃🙃🙃
She did all the work but Chad was bored with her because she was too “vanilla” what a raging narcissist he is!
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Mockery may hurt him more than imprisonment. I hope he knows we had a good laugh at his expense.
I was just thinking that. Hope he knows what a joke we all find him.
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They both will be happily ever after behind bars visiting one another through the portals?
On pretty eyes and alibis gigi gave an inside account of what it's like behind bars and a lifer said More often than not people stop believing in a religion rather than having a belief. If this happens lori would realise what they did was horrendous to these kids and Tammy Charles and god knows who ever else.
Not sure she ll come to a realisation though or chad. Perhaps they will. Who knows.
It's all so crazy they gave up their freedom's for some sickness of the mind jmo
I wonder if they will keep him separate from general population? We know how they feel about kid killers.
True ! Good point
The irony, Chad murdered the most incredible woman in his life.
Killed the most REAL woman in his life too.
Exactly. He seems very insecure but covertly narcissistic
Yeh he turned her into a muted, careful version of herself, then killed her.
Listen to the song " Crazy Man Michael" by Fairport Convention. That's all I can think of when I see Chad.
😢yeah- he did… why not just let her go (divorce is an option)
I think Slug had been fixated on his brother Matt forever; his success in business, life AND his beautiful wife. He said Heather had caused him trouble his "whole life". He was also fixated on her, thus his hatred for her when she questioned his visions.
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Yes! You can be assured he fantasied about her and he hates her for that. Sooo jealous of Matt.
Chad doesnt think he is a prophet. He thinks he can pretend he is a prophet to elevate his standing with people he can fool.
perfectly stated
Well said
This is exactly it. He feeds off the belief others have in him and his lies.
Happy Mothers Day Lauren mother's Day 😊
I am laughing already! Thanks
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You have 24 likes...So 25 of us are showing our age! I used to find those while snooping in my parents room when I was like 12 (in 1990)
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It makes me so sad that Chad described his relationship to Tammy as vanilla. How dare he destroy her loyalty to him in this way? If only Tammy had waited for somebody who truly valued and loved her?
Yep, Chad should’ve looked in the mirror more often to see who and what vanilla is
I hope she never knew about this Elena & James crapola
@@SweetUniversei was going to say, at least she never had to hear all of this (i hope).
Although I wonder if it was better for her to know - harsh reality of what he was like. Perhaps somewhere in her psyche she knew. If I was her I'd be so disappointed how her children responded/ accepted Lauri and are paying money into prison account. I wonder how they can justify still doing it (if they are) especially given Chads defense being "it was Lauri" and her brother.
I got the spelling of Lori all wrong in above! Sorry.
He's a psychopath. They don't do anxiety. They do excitement, anger, and self-gratification. The dude is such a creep, ...
He really is creepy.
@dsoule did you see how he is more alert when people are crying upset and when the photos of the kids were being shown. Almost like he was taking pleasure in his handy work?
And on a separate note hiding the laptop screen from the bailiff during side bar? Weird af
@@McQuizzicalwhat did lori see in him? Tammy was to good for him but it worries me her kids don't seem to want justice for her killing?
Totally agree
@@sula1529 I've no idea. I think the pair of them are idiots, they both had wonderful spouses. Lori's not a patch on Tammy. If you watch Heather Daybells 3 part interview with Lauren & John, you get an insight into the controling aspects, which stems from his father.
Totally off topic, but Lauren and John have such a beautiful relationship. Through all of this your relationship has giving me so much hope on what love” actually is.
IMO ! Lauren gives a lot of respect to John. She listens carefully to him. Many times John is distracted and doesn’t look at her, his attention is other places, fidgety … just body language that says he’s better than .
Not so much on this video…generally
And IMO!
@@kaylabryson1932I am not in their relationship, but they seem to compliment one another in their TH-cam presentations. From an outsiders’ opinion, you may be projecting
I was thinking the same thing while watching this! They really are a wonderful and down to earth couple who seem to truly enjoy each other.
@@kaylabryson1932Reporting IS her job. He has his own career which is very psychologically and mentally demanding. They are both hard workers.
@@kaylabryson1932where do you come up with that? LOL he’s a doctor! 😂😂😂😂😂 They are a team! Who do you think kept everything going with their kids while she was gone? Sheesh! They both work hard. And so what if one stayed home? Couples do that, still! But they don’t! I don’t know where you even came up with that comment 🤦🏼♀️
I really think Lori would have dumped Chad once the dust had settled. Even if they had managed to get away with all the murders, once the everyday reality of living with a loser like Chad [who had sponged on his first wife] became her new normal she would have been shocked to realise that she would have to become the breadwinner. I really believe that whatever insurance money they managed to scam had dried up, she would realised he was a broke loser and he had no intention of doing an honest day’s work.
I totally agree with you ❤❤
@@Cassie-pt7mtI think he was in limerence. I think she was motivated by snagging the prophet while being told by the prophet that she was the most powerful immortal goddess in the multiverse. So he was motivated by FINALLY getting to have sex with and marry the hottest cheerleader of his dreams. And she was motivated by FINALLY getting to be god, and oh yeah, the free insurance money from killing all those ppl so she never had to work as a hairdresser again.
How long after the end-of-days doesn't happen summer of 2020 does Lorie tire of Chad?
Don’t forget his plans to put a mobile home over the graves so they could live there.
@@MarieDuplessisYThe actually felt Lori would live in a mobile home? Lol
James: Im really smart, only 99.99999% of the population dont know it except Elena and myself. 🤣🤣🤣
James is a lot like Kevin Franke like that.
Lol. Nicely said.
How sweet of a tribute the Dr gave to his lovely and awesome wife Lauren
I know! So much love 💝 🎉
Yes it was so lovely! And as talking about this case in particular. So lovely to hear a husband truly appreciate his wife. ❤
Chad Daybell: Worst Midlife Crisis Ever
I just wonder if he still thinks these writings are awesome or is he as humiliated as he should be.
I'm glad this "Love Story" has been made public if for no other reason than to humiliate Chad. I hope his kids read/hear it and eventually realize what a immature creep he is.
But I don't think it did humiliate him! Did you see how attentive he was as it was read in court? I think he is too stupid to realize that people were ridiculing it, instead he thought that it showed how glorious & studly he is. I'm serious! He was not looking embarrassed, fiddling with stuff on his desk, or playing with his hands, but instead had his head turned toward the witness with rapt attention, at least when I was watching. I think he was actually proud of it.
As Dr John said, I found it the most potent evidence to seeing into how his depraived mind worked…ewww shudder…very dangerous
I don’t think for a moment he was humiliated by this. He thinks his juvenile scribblings are good and it doesnt occur to him that people are laughing at him
I found Chapter 3 of "James and Alena" !!
It's a bit short, but here it is:
James began to awaken.
With his eyes still closed, his first thought was of his goddess Alena, whom he would soon take into his arms.
He was looking forward to her soft lips pressing against his and the things that would follow from that.
James rolled over in bed and opened his eyes.
He was greeted by the toothless, stubbly-bearded smile of his cellmate Chucky, who sent him a friendly “What’s up, bro?”.
James closed his eyes again.
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that is hilarious - it was even funnier because I wasn't expecting it - I really bought into it 🤣
@@british4199me too!😂
I hope Chadsta spends the rest of his life in prison Yearning and Longing for Lori !!
It is hitting harder during this trial. The innocent people who lost their lives truly loved and trusted these evil people. So tragic and sad.
Chad loved Lori so much he threw her under the bus very fast to save his own behind
This story had more loins in it than a meat section at the Walmart 🤦🏼♀️ It’s like looking inside the mind of a psycho, and an immature one at that! I loved Dr John’s analysis of it! Great livestream! I also appreciate Dr John has a heart as big as Lauren’s!
It also had more schmaltz! It was closer to BS then a rump roast.
I agree with you both! 😆
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When you speak about Chad being neat and orderly it made me think about the way JJs burial site was described - the stones or rocks in an orderly fashion. I think his burial site was purely the work of Chad.
That's a good observation
I thought this as well. Alex was NOT a meticulous and orderly person in the least. This was also on Chads property where he was planning on living-I don’t think he would have tolerated a messy “pet” cemetery. If he was trying to put a manufactured home on that part of the land, JJs burial site would have been disturbed and potentially exposed if things were not orderly on the surface. I think even covered with a slab, he would be bothered by the disorderly area.
I’m not officially OCD diagnosed, and we’re trying to filter things through the lens of autism (received this year at 39), but I do fit the profile including intrusive. It would bug ME if the area under the slab was disordered chaos-not that I would ever have a body there knowingly.
@@rachelann9362 Exactly. I wonder how far in advance this was plotted and prepared. I’m sure Chad would have planned exactly what would be needed and had everything organized and ready. I remember hearing there was a lot less time for one of the children’s burials than the other. I’ll have to go back and listen. I do think poor Tylee was murdered by Alex and Lori in Loris’s apartment under Chad’s direction. So incredibly evil.
This is such a insightful point. I don't think I've seen anyone else connect those dots.
@@NutellaGorilla-qj4ihI feel like the plan might have been to burn both bodies in the fire pit so there would be little left of them to find but burning Tylee proved harder than they though so they buried what was left of her and just buried JJ as quickly as they could. If Tylee was killed first by Alex, the chaos of Tylee’s disposal was most likely his doing. The orderly burial of JJ was most likely Chad’s doing… IMO 🤷🏼♀️
There’s something that resonates, Chads sweeping desire/lust for “Elena.” Why call her “Elena?” It really dehumanizes her and gives himself permission to unleash himself on her in his mind. It’s uncomfortable to say, but it reminds me of what Hannibal Lecter said to Clarese… “We begin by coveting what we see every day. Don't you feel eyes moving over your body, Clarice? And don't your eyes seek out the things you want?” I think Chad was suuuuper jealous AND envious of his brother Matt, he couldn’t help but want to one-up his brother in every way. Heather, I’m absolutely certain, was prime on Chad and Lori’s hit list. I’m glad the rampage stopped when it did. I pray that the community that allowed this demagoguery to occur LEARNS something!!! Dissenting voices are essential in healthy societies. We can all learn to be more brave and adhere to truth telling and hold integrity dear. I love pot-stirrers like Kay and Heather. You bet Chad feels like he’s been knocked 360 degrees with a frypan when they appear in his thoughts in his jail cell. Still boggles my mind that Chad and Lori thought (and still believes?) that they’re going to get away with murder. Murder. May justice be served cold, for and
Wow, now here’s a thought. Was there a secret lust for the statuesque, tall blond Heather, a woman who was not “bland” in any way? Is that why he disliked her even more? I agree about Matt 100 % and believe that he was one of the reason to move to Rexburg.
I think Chad's jealousy of his brothers' success was a big part of why he shot himself in the foot by showing off his new bride so soon after Tammy's passing. It sickened his friends and neighbors, but it was an absolute need he had to say "See? See what I can get?" as soon as possible. He wanted his brothers and his community to see what a devastatingly virile man he must be to get a woman like that. He thought he had arrived.
Oh my!!! No way! Absolutely! My mind came to the same thing listening to this. Wow...😮
Great observation. 💯 CD mentions at least in one place, I can’t remember where I learned it. Probably on this channel. That CD brings up his sibling’s advanced degrees, and in such a way that he sounds jealous of them and their success. Heather is a physically beautiful woman, she and her husband are successful and have that stunning home and property. Then Heather had a much higher calling in the church than CD ever had, to my understanding. Chad was probably attracted to Heather and hated her all the same time. I think that along with Melanie B. P.’s 2 children, Heather would have been in danger as well. Great comment, I liked reading your thoughts.
Excellent observation! Agreed 💯
You guys laughter is the best antidote to all this pain and misery of the case.
MOST IMPORTANT TO NOTE : Chad was definitely driving this train aa he manipulated the deaths of her side first to test her commitment strength before killing Tammy. He wanted to ensure he really had Lori... He definitely is the mastermind of these murders... So Sick
That's a good point!!
Awful writing. And to think that he felt this writing actually had any value spiritually. Disgusting.
YES to Loin Fire being a middle school story. You unlocked memory of the time I wrote a preteen smut novel about 2 of my 8th grade classmates. My mom found it and her and my dad read it and laughed so hard. They actually kept it with some of my other "creative" literature pieces🤓. I had to hunt that back up and destroy it before my mom read it to my Aunts or something
Chad basically kept a play-by-play diary of His and Lori's spiral down from reality.
Just like Keith Raniere from his Nexium cult, the narcissist cult leader wants to record or document their own movements 100% of the time. Ultimately, it’s their downfall! Thank God!
"How not to sext" by Chad daybell!! 😅😅😅😅
“His” ??? He shouldn’t be capitalized
I think Laurie spiraled but Slug knew exactly what he was doing.. just my opinion!
We are focusing on Chad because he authored this mess but when you put the two stories together it’s pretty clear they both need the constant validation and both need to be as important as God himself. Lori had multiple marriages with normal men who expected her to behave like a normal wife and mother, with Chad she was an Exalted Goddess. And Chad used these ridiculous lines on many women and was just waiting for one to bite down on that hook. They are a prefect storm, without them joining together these tragedies would not have happened. IMO they are equally influencing each other and their followers and all are to blame equally. As Larry says, “Who sits and prays for Charles Tylee JJ and Tammy to die and NOBODY stands up and says THIS IS WRONG” Chad and Lori’s delusions were the core of it but there was an inner circle that is also culpable.
If it wasn’t Lori he would have found someone else.
@@ilovepotatoesforever9818 finding another Lori that comes with a built in Alex type doesn’t seem likely.
I can't imagine how it would feel for Tammy had she known he was writing and feeling this way about another woman
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Who knows what she was thinking? She was on depression meds. Married to Chad, who wouldn't be depressed?
She might have filed for divorce.
Doubt it. I think she was very subservient to him.@@WolfRoss
Though he seemingly never physically hit her, (though the bruising that Prior states was ‘older’ could be evidence of this) Tammy was a victim of domestic violence before Chad killed her. She likely would have blamed herself for not being ‘good enough’. Chad’s family is a narcissistic family system.
I can imagine Lori's description of their mad love sessions. "He doesn't have much experience. But it'll get better." 😂
Find someone who loves having you home and appreciates you the way Dr John loves and appreciates Lauren. ❤
I know this was tough for Dr. John to revisit, but I have never listened to this before and want to present the opinion that it is actually important to recognize the absurdity. If more people were exposed to this fantastical love-bombing, and more importantly see the absurdity of it pointed out, perhaps more people would question love-bombing if it occurs early in a relationship and realize it is not coming from a healthy mindset and may even be coming from a manipulative and/or conniving one. So, thank you for reliving this.
I felt bad when Dr.John needed to pause when thinking about the victims here. I think its okay to laugh at the absurdity of Chads writing because this is such a heavy case and none of us will ever forget Tylee,, JJ and Charles. I choose to believe that they are in a safe and loving place now and would laugh along with us.
Happy Mother’s Day, Lauren! 💕🌸🌹🌷🌻🌼
And Tammy❤! I thought i included her.
My husband says this book is the his prison sentence, what gives him his guilty verdict. I agree he wrote his own evidence, but his narcissistic mind just doesn’t see it.
Dr. John's the man!I have so much respect for him.
So, So happy to see Dr John back!!
Welcome back Dr. John.
Such a great guy
Agree
Where can I order or buy Dream? I also have trouble sleeping,
I feel like making this a mockery honors the victims in this. Humor is my coping mechanism. I really feel so sad for everyone, but especially poor Tammy. My heart breaks for her, the more I hear about this "love" affair.
Well said 👍
You two do well together…….my Husband is a Clinical Forensic Psychologist (Retired). He’s in the hospital right now, having a hard time with his health…but him and I have followed this since before COvid. (Years). Sooooo, I know he’ll love to watch this, so I will be sending it to him, thank you!
Mike was mainly into Child Custody cases and Sex offenders (he had 3 sex offender classes (?) a week). He said the hardest type of case was the Child Custody cases………he was REALLY GOOD in what he did. He was one of the Psychologists in our Valley that would appear in court for his clients. Thank you, I enjoyed this video.
Lauren- re: your cough. If it’s a mostly dry cough that’s hanging on and on after a cold/ respiratory illness, you may benefit from from talking to your doctor about getting an inhaler (like for asthma). Sometimes the illness causes the cough, the cough causes irritation/ inflammation in the airways, which causes more coughing which causes more inflammation- and it becomes self-perpetuating until you use something to calm the inflammation. Worth seeing your primary care doctor about.
This RN agrees 100&
I've been worrying about covid going round and round that courtroom - remember it hasn't gone anywhere, we're just not testing and tracing anymore. Home tests are expired. Repeat exposure increases risk of long covid, cardiac and other complications.
@@kpanycYes, I agree and have been worried about that very thing!
Just eat some dutch drop
It's beyond me how any one woman could find him attractive, much less his wife, lori, and any number of girlfriends he has supposedly had. 😳
Psychopaths gotta psychopath.
Some people are easy pleased lol.
I know he’s nothing special to look at.
Chad had the attention of a lot of ladies, Lori, Melanie, Melani, Audrey, Christina, Zulema, Serena, Julie Rowe... Do you think it has anything to do with his willingness to bestow 'powers and leadership roles' upon women who typically don't get those type roles in normal LDS life?
I don’t think Lori was “physically” attracted to him. I think she more or less worshipped him, her attraction was the opposite of Chad’s. It was more spiritual and more in the sense that she found someone who shared all her insane beliefs. Plus, she was being called a “goddess” so she was having her ego fed, which is what a narcissist most desires and needs.
I love when Lauren and Dr John take time out to praise each other. It’s very special that they let us see that. It keeps me believing in love and romance.
Oh my I loved your “Chad hand-ballet”. I laughed out loud with your gentle commentary of the ballet.
Thank you so much for making such a dark case a bit lighter. We needed this. So nice to see you together.
Kudos for not throwing up in court
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"That MUTUAL reciprocal influence/radicalization that pushes them into that fantasy world that they cannot escape from (...), not managing to distinguish fantasy of reality; and the danger of living in that fantasy territory when there is a lack of empathy" That is so much accurate, Dr. John! Thank you!
I love the "lunch live" it cuts through all the extraneous material and hits the most important points ... you are extremely knowledgeable about the subject matter!!! Also love your podcast.
I love the lunch live too! I watch alone and it feels great to have a place and a group to debrief the craziness with. It's also cool to get the inside scoop on what's going on in the court room. The lunch lives are the best!!
If we can't take stuff like this and have a break and laugh and just think of the absurdity of it , then we shouldn't even be in the True Crime because it cannot be dark all the time
Totally agree! ❤
Goodmorning everyone from Namibia.
This is my favorite episode so far. Made me laugh, made me cry. Laughing not because it’s funny but so ridiculous. Dr John’s psychological insights were helpful and made so much sense. Chad has such low self esteem he has to overcompensate by coming across as a powerful leader with all the answers.
Thank you. Happy Mother’s Day. You two make such a cute couple❤
Yes, i found it very insightful also. I am sure his speaking and books helped his self-esteem
I cant believe, two middle-aged people carried on like this. Its so bazzar, and the worst is four innocent human beings, had to be murderd, because of thier insane affair. 🤨
I think it's 5 I think Alex although not innocent, he took whatever poison was given to Tammy. He knew he had to.
The mother of all existential crises, huh?
@@SusanaXpeace2u or 6 if you count Joe Ryan! I think any and everyone that resulted in an insurance payout should be looked at! She was a black widow for sure.
Or 7 of you count Tammy's mom.
She's like a ridiculous teenager as well
I always look forward to Dr John’s psychological insights on criminal behavior. I never liked crime shows until I found your TH-cam channel. The two of you work perfectly together.
You really are a power combo. I've tried and grown weary of a ton of channels. This is the only one I really respect and trust.
This is very sad to me. Being a victim of my Ex husband who left me for another women. My heart hurts terribly for Tammy.
I am praying for JUSTICE for Tammy, Tylee and JJ and Charles. This was all based on LUST....while Tammy was at home being a good wife and mom Mr. Dumbell was out doing this This letter triggers my past. He's a disgusting pig. I am praying for the death penalty. Happy Mothers Day Lauren. Love your hard work for us.
Lust & Money! So sorry you had this terrible experience 🙏🙏🙏
I think it was more than lust. He was a psychopath and he met a pawn to fulfill his fantasies.
I think being in general population for the rest of his life will be worse than death penalty. The men will make his life more of a hell than it would on death row. He would have to watch his back constantly.
Lauren you just shine as you return back home!!! I'm so happy your home with your darling family! Thanks for all you do to communicate this trial to us!
The reaction of John listening to this again reminds me so much of Heather Daybell’s reaction. She said it was visceral and made her physically ill.
You two are a terrific example of what listening to one another in a relationship looks like. And having respect for each other. I find you both so very likeable as well with great insight and observational abilities.
Awh Dr. John you are such wonderful husband to Lauren. I know you really missed her . I'm happy to see you both with each other. Thank you for your sacrifices and hard work.❤
I agree with Dr. John. I, too, feel some empathy for Zulema. To be sexually abused from age 7 from a father figure and to grow up in such a toxic abusive environment as she did left her vulnerable, broken, and alone. She was desperate for love, connection, family, and a place she felt secure. She tried to find those things in marriage but after 6 failed attempts she was still searching. People like Chad and Lori look for types like Zulema to recruit as damaged, lost, lonely, misplaced people in society are the easiest to groom and perfect to manipulate. People like Zulema never stand a chance once they're sucked into a cult like environment. This in no way excuses the fact that, like others involved, who knew what was going on, she should have spoken up. She clearly knows more than she's let on, and the defence is going to hit her hard as a result of that. It will be interesting to see whether Prior is able to extract more of the truth from her when she next faces him.
I'm so happy to see you two together! Happy Mother's day, Ms. Lauren!
Good morning from Hamburg, Germany. So great to see you both together on Mother's Day. Thanks for all your work & thoughts - and humour.
Awwww Dr. John’s comments are so sweet!
Narcissists emotional maturity is stunted at the age of 6/7 years. They are also terribly insecure and spend much of their energy developing a persona that others admire. This admiration is required because they are deeply insecure. How do I know? I was married to one and once I no longer loved and admired him because of his infidelity he turned into an ugly person who threatened my life. Never underestimate a narcissist!
I have this video paused at one second. The LOVE I see in both Lauren and John's eyes, just gladdens my heart and makes my heart feel as big as the moon. 🥰
Yay Dr. & Queen BABE!!! 🥰🥰🥰 Happy Mother's Day Lauren!!!
It is so obvious Dr John has such a compassionate heart. Bless him for that great heart of his and his brilliant mind.
I tune in from Central Coast, NSW Australia. Each day the trial starts is midnight here. So when I wake the next morning I search your lunch live update. I really appreciate the updates. Happy Mother's Day Lauren your a wonderful Mumma!
Same. I’m in the Central West.
My heart breaks for Tammy. There is no way he suddenly became this monster. He probably abused her emotionally for years 😢
I remember hearing from a visitor that when Tammy opened the door Chud popped up and told Tammy 'go get on with your geneology' in that horrible controlled voice of his told me all I needed to know about their marriage
Aww Dr Babe telling Lauren how appreciated and loved she is🥹So happy you both are back!
This is the epitome of a supportive, healthy and loving marriage and partnership. You can just see how they adore eachother and really respect eachother and their crafts. It's so awesome. Both brilliant in their own minds and my favourite channel.
LDS, did you notice that Chad is literally quoting Saturday's Warrior in his story? "Heard that voice before, seen that face before.."
I started singing the lyrics to The Circle of Our Love as soon as I heard that part of Chad’s “original” story! 🤣🤣🤣
Actually there are many parallels to Saturday's Warrior themes "These are the stronger warriors, saved for Saturday", "they must learn who they are and why they're here" (= James and Elena, to lead the 144 000)
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When Chad calls her an archangel and a warrior it makes me think he is readying her for the idea of having to do hard things. Like killing her husband and children.
That is a profound insight.
Hello Lauren,
I am a relatively-new subscriber.
I turn to your coverage on this CD trial.
Thank you for working so hard to keep us up to date.
I appreciate your coverage, and I value your integrity.
You look really pretty wearing red, too.
Welcome to the community.🌷
It’s gratifying that you two are so thoughtful about the content. I trust you and appreciate Dr. John’s objective analysis and Lauren’s empathy and hard work.
I enjoyed this very much. I started watching it last night, but finished this morning. The "loin fire" bs had me laughing so hard I almost peed my pants. (I had a hysterectomy last Sept. Still having issues!) Anyway, I really needed that, as I'm a special needs mom and have a whole slew of health problems. Often, I feel we have to laugh to keep from crying. Thank you for all you do, Lauren and John. You're a great couple! And thank you, especially, for your beautiful hearts! ❤️ Happy Mother's Day, Lauren! 💐
Dear Bruce Porter, Thank you SO much for your presence during the "Loin Fire phenomenon." Offspring would have created an even BIGGER disaster...
Lauren said she has figured out who Bruce Porter was. Who was he?
Narcissists put their prey on pedestals in the beginning and do a lot of love bombing.💣 That's how this feels to me.
True
Spot on ❤
All the “we” talk. It’s what is going to signal to the jury that Chad was the perp
What a lot of people don’t realize is that for a narcissist, this love-bombing behaviour actually comes from their intense feelings, and they don’t even know that’s what they are doing. They genuinely think they have found their soulmate. Then when things get “boring”, or they lose interest because they aren’t capable of true intimacy, they’ll start to find problems with the person they idealized in the first place, and then repeat that same cycle with someone else, discarding the first partner without any real feelings toward them any longer. Love bombing isn’t intentionally malicious in the beginning, narcissists really do idealize the person and believe in their own bullshit.
I'm struck by John's reaction during the reading. He needed a moment. As Lauren laughed, John was quietly remembering the victims. Thank you, John, for that.
But also, as she said, she is living this darkness everyday in her face in the courtroom. He’s just now taking this in…
On the rewatch crew. I'm so glad y'all read this. It offers some levity to the horrific pain and destruction left in their wake. This is like having a harlequin romance novel being read😂😂
Out camping, in perfect timing to the story, a loud clap of thunder that lasted for over a minute. Then came the rain.😅😂
Something worth considering is the impact their religion had on their behaviors. Chad writes about limiting their sexual activities by keeping clothing on and then he gives it a religious tone by giving her a spiritual blessing during a sexual encounter. Yet where was the religion when it came to taking the lives of their family members whose main crime was being an inconvenience to their ability to have time alone? I also think Chad's description that Lori's love made him mad and crazy is accurate.
It's not religion and it's not religions fault. It's the way they decided to perceive it and in this case it's the way they decided to take something and use it to manipulate each other and others. It's individuals making horrible choices and using whatever they can in their lives and use it to do their own evil purposes. And that can be any thing somebody has in their life and no blame goes to something completely and utterly outside of these human beings and their actions just because they decide to use it in their evil evil plans
And anybody who blames religion is doing exactly what these people want. Anybody who blames religion is taking the responsibility at least in part from the shoulders of those who are doing things they absolutely know are wrong
What's a bloom moppet? Did I hear that right? 😅
Chad is an evil person. He was disloyal to his beautiful wife. He is a murder and will spend the rest of his life in jail, then in the next life he will be punished by Heavenly Father. He is a very sad person.
@@CatkinNomi, I heard blue Muppet. Not that that makes any more sense.
Laughing at the writing is okay and makes the whole thing so extraordinary. I am so happy that Tammy’s friends got to let us know more about her. Do you think that Kay would ever be able to tell us a bit more about Charles as I feel he is an unsung hero. I completely understand if she doesn’t want to. Love you both. Am getting the article recommended.
you both are so kind to keep the tragedy in mind as these two psychopaths destroyed many people’s lives. thank you for your sensitivity. I’ve watched every day of trial and appreciate your lunch updates. Your insight and review of the psychological development of the individuals at play is powerful.
Appreciate Dr John`s considerateness.
Geez Lauren you got yourself an amazing man that he's so sensitive and thoughtful... I’m not sure if I knew that men like him existed. You are that’s a lovely couple.
In an alternate universe, Charles and Tammy met after he emailed her and lived happily ever after. Better story than The Slug's dopey tropes.
They would have made a beautiful couple. And what a wonderful mom Tammy would have been to little JJ.
Thank you Lauren and John! It was a good laugh🤣 It’s been so heavy listening to all the testimony that we all needed a bit of a break!
In the 80’s in LDS communities there was a musical called Saturday’s warriors. In the musical , look up the song “ circle of our love”. The first part is in his book.
Just posted this same thing. Sorry. Didn’t see your reply.
We missed you Dr John!
omg dying at dr john and lauren and past dr john and lauren cracking up at the scientific phenomenon known as “loin fire” 48:07
It’s heartbreaking for the 4 lives lost over this foolishness
Love you Lauren & Dr John for all the work you do to educate us on these personalities to watch for
It was lovely seeing Mr & Mrs back together & Dr John crediting all Lauren means to their family. Great to see them laugh together & im sure any Gems that know their work, don’t even think for a moment that they are laughing at the atrocities carried out by these people..
“Finally,…found someone, They can trust and confide in.”
To me this is very telling.
Happy Mother’s Day. I thank your husband and you for your thorough informations.
You guys are so nice together. It's very clear how much you both love & respect each other.
You both are really great humans. Thank you. ❤
I am sorry that this case was so sad. But I couldn’t help to laugh as well when listening to you both covering the James and Aleena story. Totally junior high vibe 😂 Great coverage!
I just love you two. You are the perfect True Crime couple
Agree
Agree!! ❤👍
Anyone else notice on Friday, that even Prior referred to the texts as "this... thing".
1:18:07 I just feel so immensely sad for Tammy. This man disrespected and devalued her in her life and her death and he keeps doing it til this day.
I was late getting on. Ya'll had me laughing so hard. I can understand why Dr. John feels like he does; however, when this first came out we didn't know everything we know now.
Happy Mother’s Day Lauren! Thanks for all you do 🤗🩷
I think I’ve read every Kathleen Woodwiss book ever written, all steamy, vibrant and seductive and classy. Chad has never read a romance novel, his loin fire (my spellcheck wanted to change the word to bonfire!) is so beyond his imagination he resorts to Scientific Phenomena!!! My neighbors can hear my laughter, I’m certain of it. And it’s 11:30 at night!!!! Thanks you two!! Sending joy your way, Lauren. Happy Mother’s Day 💐
I Love her books. The Flame and the Flower is the best!!!
@@lulubells930 my mother in law got me started on her books over forty years ago, I never read a romance novel by any other author, just her. Which makes Chads attempt that much more comedic. Asinine really. I’m certain Chads books would give my headache a headache. Who in the world could take him seriously?!
Super appreciate you Lauren and Dr. John.
This case is so fascinating !! This gigantic rotten onion that keeps bringing surprise after surprise when it comes to human behavior gone REALLY wrong . That is why I come to your channel for input . And some really needed laughter processing these evil deeds . Thank you both and thank you Gems !!