As an animator, one thing I was trying to scream into people’s ears is that animals actually have body language. Simply drooping ears conveys sadness more then they show in the finished product.
Martin Gray there’s plenty of actions the animals can do that express their emotions, sometimes their head is low to show submission, they bare their teeth to show anger, and they move erratically to show their distress, it’s pretty impressive.
@@tyrrantx6760 Yeah, that's my point: they don't show any of that in any clips that I've seen at moments where the original actually did in addition to the more human expressions.
@@AntiFaGoat Aslan the Lion was done very well in that manner. Expressive enough (a lot of it through the eyes) but not so expressive that he looked cartoony.
I just showed my 21 year old friend the Lion King for the first time (she somehow never saw it) and she was on the verge of tears when Mufasa died. I felt kind of bad lol
Well, it doesn't help that fandom communities start to make the animation community look like a joke. I.E. Toxic fandoms like Rick and Morty, SpongeBob, Stephen Universe, Sonic, Star Wars, or MLP. Sure the people who actually animate these do put their hearts into as they can, but sadly in a world where can almost say anything online to somebody that in we wouldn't say in real life because we either too nice or too much of a coward. (Including me, I'll admit to that) No matter what you say and even with the work you put into backing up your arguments, people aren't going to listen or give a damn about it. Just like what we've accomplished in school(Unless it applies to whatever careers we want to do), we'll just soon forget anything you and other people said because it just feels like useless nonsense.
I mean, most adults and even teens just see most animation as kid shit or think it's embarrassing to want to see an animated movie. It's kind of sad honestly, I'm a grown man and just about every movie I plan to see next year is gonnna be animated.
Tyler Rakstis Oh shut up with the toxic fandom BS! If the fandom is toxic so is the property. Point blank the fandom makes the property. Sorry you can’t completely change something and still think you get the fans of said something. That’s not how it works. You bring up Sonic but they listened to their fans and changed the property to make it better and we’ll see how much money it makes. Star Wars didn’t and watch a little money they’re making right now. Reality doesn’t agree with your opinion. Entertainment is just a product like any other. If you don’t make your customer happy they don’t buy your product. That doesn’t make them bad people that makes you bad at making products.
"Now I hate to keep comparing . . ." The thing is, a remake INVITES comparison. If you're banking on knowledge of the original to be the draw, you had damn well be prepared for comparisons. And if your movie can't compare favorably, then you're doomed to failure.
@@jjperceval I have always hated the nostalgia argument. It totally undermines the film in question. The fact that so many people love the original Lion King is not because "nostalgia" but because it's an incredible film. The new Lion King is also not shit because people have nostalgia for the original. It's shit because... well I mean, presumably you watched this video right?
*2010:* Nobody takes 3D animation seriously because "cOmPuTeRs Do aLl ThE wOrK" *2019:* Nobody takes 2D animation seriously because it's not realistic enough
Computer do all the work? Excuse me who ever says that need to try them self let's see them animate Pixar level animation without taking them 7 years or more
@@Som3D That's why I put it in quotation marks, because it's what nay-sayers were ignorantly saying at the time. I understand your confusion, so I edited the quote to make it look more sarcastic. I think the problem is that some people won't take animation seriously at all.
@@misseli1 That’s because some people still think that cartoons are just kid stuff. Thankfully, cartoons has shaken off that stigma, for the most part, since the 1990s.
I would kill to see 2D animated films coming out in theaters again. I miss them a lot. I like the kinds of animation they do for Zootopia and (god forbid) Frozen, but I really wouldn't mind seeing 2D films again...
Those films have had the absolute shit hated out of them, but I saw a few and, while all the scenes with humans are cringe hell, the Chipmunks and Chipettes are surprisingly in-character almost all the time. It's like watching an episode of the old cartoon, except someone keeps switching the channels to a show about comedians who hate being in a movie.
I feel like the Lion King remake is made for those people who think the Absolute Best Kind Of Art are the realistic fruit still life paintings and scenery paintings and "god why isn't all art like that"
@@kloggmonkey i like the lionking 2019 I also like realisim But no way is the 2019 version even close to the orginal however they took a deeper dive into scars reign showing us another possibility that scar was going to rule like that of a dog instead of a lion and thus never became kingscar forced the female lions to stay inside only going out to feast he was stronger overtime and became formidable agenst the lionesses whos tradition was not to hurt there king in the movie sarabe is vary clearly still head lioness she the eldest most wise lioness and she dossent get pissed off when nala deffys her when shes an adult she understands nala is old enagh to make her own decisions now and ahe lets her go she has no way of stoping her later realising that it was right for nala to do so all in all the movies enjoyable despite the weird looks and off faces you can still enjoy it personaly i liked the more enhanced body movements it got my brain thinking without makeing me want to talk
Yeah.. I can picture people like that. I hate it, as an artist... like my country is obsessed with realism art, like not even good realism art, like amateur one. Like honestly... aren't we tired of reality.. let art talk. Let the imagination free. So draining that kind of art.
@@cirlex5104 Aslan was done really well. Animals don't speak English to each other and sing either. If you want realistic animals only moving their mouths in animal ways, you might not want to see a movie musical where animals are expected to sing and do Choreo.
Plenty of creators outside of Japan do an excellent job with "adult animation" as well. Heck, it is thanks to Ralph Bakshi, someone from the states, that adult animation got as popular as it did everywhere, with the first X-rated animated movie and his many other works that followed. There's plenty of animation aimed at adults outside the states, all over Asia and Europe and beyond, the problem is people don't seem to care enough. But Disney kicked out every proper 2D animator they had from the Disney Renaissance, so clearly they don't care about making good products anymore. So much effort put into those phenomenal works by those people and yet the company doesn't give two damns about them.
making the characters "realistic" is actually a step backwards in the design process. when Simba (and the rest of the cast) was designed for the original Lion King animated film, the character designers were tasked with taking their source material, a real lion, and designing something that still reads as a lion, but could do everything that they wanted it to do on screen (talking, singing, emoting) and still look appealing. there was a need for them to design a cartoon lion. this is why a designer's job is work... this takes effort. every change you can point out between a real lion and Simba's original cartoon design, is the fruit of their labor. taking that design and trying to bring it back toward photo realism is literally working backward. it's undoing what the designers originally did to make this animal animate in an appealing way. and all of the problems mentioned in this video are a direct product of doing something that was always completely counter intuitive. cartoon Simba was designed to move better, express better, look like he's singing, and have a better color palette... the whole movie was! and a lot of the "live action" Lion King's confusion over how the characters should move, or what their faces should be doing, comes from this. they're trying to keep the characters looking enough like their cartoon designs to be iconic, but adhere enough to what real lions look like to fall in line with realism. of course you're landing in the uncanny valley, that's what the area just shy of realism is, and this creative process is tailor made for landing you exactly there.
I studied animation and classmates, teachers and even the headmaster HATES this movie, because this movie had no soul. The hyper realism work against it since realistic animals can't emote like cartoon animals, they don't have the muscle structure, unlike the cartoon version. And Chile has a worse stigma when it comes to animation, not even a fucking oscar convinced people to take it seriously
oh really you went to animation school ? then you might be knowing that animators study animals before they animate that animal? do you know about finding nemo ? ofcourse they are a different studio but im pretty sure the guys at disney were also highly experienced expert, to know what you might be knowing
Swastik Swarup Das yeah but Finding Nemo is cartoonishly animated, you can get away with anything if it has artistic style, but if the style is realistic or hyper realism then the animation will now have limitations of real life making the animation soulless. Not saying all of them are, but glaringly a lot of hyper realistic animations are not as good.
Gabriel .Strange it depends though. Aslan from Narnia was actually a great animated character despite being from the early 2000’s. But if Disney made The Lion King 2019 have an art style similar to Detective Pikachu or Sonic’s redesign then it can work. But yeah, they should’ve tried more with the animal expressions. They made Zootopia how did they not learn something?
@@SwastikSwarupDas The difference is that while/when creating something especially animals or monsters which are usually a combination of animals/people/plants depending on what the genre is it's how 'squishy' they make the characters. Finding Nemo all the characters while animals are doughy and have human faces or features which even if they do or in some cases don't move like real animals. But that's my two cents on it.
This is the reason I'm very excited for Klaus and how well it uses 2d animation. I just hope it'll inspire more film makers to follow, as well as funding for the art form
Even in anime, 2D animation looks better. With drawings, you can better emphasise movements, exagerations and things like that. With 3D, you don't really see that.
I would love that too as long as its not more adventure time, Stephen universe crap its weird that all the newer shows have this sorta anatomy to them it kinda gets on my nerves
Lion King 2019 : what are you complaining, i mean WE are very great by doing"photorealism"... Narnia: DO NOT CITE THE DEEP MAGIC TO ME WITCH I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN
That was exactly what I was thinking. The CGI from the first Narnia movie maybe wasn't as "realistic" or polished as it can be today, but it was pretty great. Aslan actually had that "weight" mentioned in the video, and the lip-sinc was also quite good. Also, Aslan was never meant to *sing,* which explains why he fits and live-action Simba doesn't.
Gaaaaaaaaaay. Smh some people should never have left sunday church. If my pastor heard about me watching pro-liberal gay cartoons (because that's what they are), I would be spanked on the spot and maybe more (!!!) This is why we grew up in an anti-President Trump (learn the full name folks (!!) world! God bless and Roll Tide!
I'm sure Simbas situation relates to how you feel while at work on a hectic Monday morning listening to people complain to you about things that are meaningless. As your brain blocks out the sound that comes out of their chatterbox, you recall the part from the movie The Lion King where Simba and his mate murder Scar.
Nobody talks about the director, I mean, animators are basically contractors, they have little creative input in the whole design phase, if the goal was to create hyper realistic animals cosplaying as Simba, Timon and Pumbaa, there was little they could do about translating the original movie into this new look.
I finally realized what felt so wrong about this movie ... I was watching animated taxidermy. The fur/skin and anatomy are perfect (to my non expert eyes) but the poses are unnatural. What makes it worse is the eyes have no life just a fake shine to make them look "wet" like glass. When watching this movie my subconscious mind was picturing a taxidermy squirrel mariachi band ...
Correction: pigs get down on their wrists all the time. And yes, they do put their head down first. Sometimes their nose all the way to the ground. Raised alot of pigs.
@@dennymontanez1007 I think there was a lot of research put in, artistically speaking, but this guy cant be an expert on everything. The error was pointed out, so I don't see the problem.
Blue BukkitDev but those piggies are not wild warthogs. Domestic pigs are going to be waaaaay different from wild cousins. I don’t know how warthogs or boars act. Does anyone?
What if it had been remade without voices, completely realistic visually but with empathetic expressions, and forced to tell the story visually and clever story telling?
I was literally thinking about Aslan for almost the entire video. Shame that they couldn't take notes from Narnia and do the animals in this movie some favors.
Dead, soulless, sterile, colorless, depressing and wanting to be overly realistic while being ignorant of the real world? Is this movie... secretly a satire on modern culture?
Sofia Lazarev At this point Disney is just ripping off the ideas of the past to play on people’s nostalgia. I mean look at Star Wars. All of the new ones are trash.
The real irony in all this is how with everything you have pointed out, it all leads back to what walt Disney himself taught at his studio- animation needs believability. and he didn't mean 'draw them realistically' its the 12 principles of animation, it's the core of animation being 'what is this character thinking? can I understand or make sense of this characters thoughts based on their movements alone?' Seems the ones working on the newest Lion king forgot the most basic rules of Walt Disney himself. Oh the irony.
I personally believe the major problem is that “Disney” as an entity, is huge and splintered. People think of the Disney remakes as “being made by Disney” because it has the name on it, but the truth of the matter is that the people who make these are a pretty much completely separate entity from Disney Animation Studios (who do the cartoony stuff) and they have no clue about the underlying values and teachings of classical animation, despite the fact that they basically make animated movies..... and the remakes are on top of that very rarely directed by people who even understand animation properly... at least that’s my take on it but it’s a personal opinion/theory. Just cos it says “Disney” on the box doesn’t mean you get true Disney classical values anymore, sadly.
agreed with this statement, unless the movie was meant to be animation world, literally. I supposed, you do realize that this was meant to be a live action, at the first place. Unless you're criticize about the realistic movement or another, I should be more agree with it
Mostly done watching this video and I'm surprised you didn't make comparisons to Aslan or that Owls of GaHoole movie. One had a realistic lion that could emote, and the other had an animal that was hyperealistic but could also still emote... and it was a fucking bird. Hell, compare it to Happy Feet even.
"Legend of the Guardians" was made by the same studio that made "Happy Feet." Animal Logic. They make the best realistic/semi realistic animal stuff, imho.
I am dumbfounded of how stupid this video is, and the stupid people that just gobble it up. Lots of teenagers thinking that the team of animators, and whole lot of specialists, didn't meticulously studied for months every single movement of the animals in the film "debunked" by this kid? And this is the times we live now. Everyone has an "opinion": the earth is flat, vaccines are not OK, science doesn't work. GO STUDY YOU STUPID SHITS!
@@SofiaFilos Did you actually listen to his arguments? Besides the wrist-thing, he's dead-right. There's a REASON the fight between realistic and cartoon went as it did when the original movie was made. The characters, the colours and the animation seems stiff and lifeless in the remake because they, ironically, wanted to make it life-like. It seems steril compared to something like Maleficent.
So this Monday my college class actually had one of the animators from the new lion King in to give us an animation workshop. I must say that the animators themselves had no creative freedom what so ever. They would have to produce up to 160 different versions (or passes) of each 1-4 clips, and each pass would be reviewed by the on site Disney producers/management team. and Each and every movement they wanted to animate would have to be backed by a lot of reference clips. If the on site Disney managers didn't like what the animators produced they would have to do it again, and again until they were happy with it, even if the animator didn't like the result. Also to touch on the eyebrows, the animator that came into our class said that they were strictly not allowed to move the eyebrows to convey emotions, if they did they would be told to remove the movement during the daily pass reviews. So with that being said, commenters, please don't bash the animatiors so much. They didn't have full control over the animations. tl;dr THE ANIMATORS HAD NO CREATIVE CONTROL AT ALL
Samuel: *mentions some Hakuna Matata scene* Me: *only until he says "They don't seem to be singing" do I finally realize he's already been showing the singing scene.*
So true.. for a person who haven't watched the lion King cartoon.. and don't onow the story.. watching this movie mute mode (without any sound) is soo confusing... The body language, the facial expressions, are soo minimal.. that one will have no idea as to what is happening till someone explains to them what the scene is all about.. we won't be able to make what the characters r feeling even.. and in real life u can make out what ur own house dog is feeling when u look at him closely
Haha indeed. And even then you'd still see haters... I'm sorry... "critics" like this one, shouting "not enough flies" or "too much shit" :D Some people just can't stop.
@@NM-ev7pu Lion King was a cultural touchstone of a generation that is almost unequaled in movie history. A remake was going to smash box offices no matter what as long as it didn't suck, if for no other reason then because people just wanted to see what had been done to it. And the hyper realistic angle means that people who grew up with it, like me, could talk about "how good it looks" rather than just admit they watched a kids movie and liked it for what it is. But if the remake had to stand on it's own in a vacuum on it's own merits only a tiny fraction of people would have seen it and THAT is the measure of the movie.
Ralathar44 I think a huge chunk of the audiences will have been people who were children then, showing this touchstone of their youth to their children. In the old days, Disney would just re-release old movies into theaters, but with modern home movies that no longer works.
I went to some outdoor movie theatre that showed a classic child movie and so many adults cried when the little siblings in a family got reunited with their pets. Can’t remember the name of the movie but it was three siblings (two boys and a girl), and the pets were two dogs and a cat. And they got lost and started making their way back home and that end scene touched kids and adults..,because hey they all had empathy and felt happy it ended well.
Literally the ONLY live action "remake" I'm interested in is Mulan, and that's purely because they're telling almost a completely different story by going off the original poems.
darksector41 Wow, that’s the opposite for me, lol. I never want to lay my eyes upon the new Mulan remake because they’re ruining so many great things about the original.
@@jewelsthecat5331 Yeah, like, if I want to see something close to the poems, there's already a Chinese movie about it, and it is quite good. What interested me on Disney original was all the things it made a Disney one, especially Mushu.
I want a live action Hunchback that isn't a remake of the Disney movie, but an true adaptation from the novel. Imagine the shit show from parents that take their kids thinking it'll be a remake kids film only to see Esmeralda hanging naked at the end.
I’m already tired of these live action Disney remakes too. Can’t they just stop making them already and do something original for a change? Please...? I just feel like they are so busy making these pointless live action remakes that they really don’t have any extra time to work on anything new.
Their biggest money maker is nostalgia. As long as the people crave that Disney is going to provide that. Personally though, I think people have craved something new over nostalgia for the past decade now.
This feels like a retread of when Disney kept churning out pointless sequels to movies that didn't need them. It's a phase that sets a bad precedent. Disney basically fired all their traditional animators and other companies try to hunt down these animators for music videos or special episodes because traditional Disney animators are and will be titans if the animating industry but Disney doesn't see or appreciate that because everything needs to be 3D or live action now.
@A. Lu That's because you have both grown up in a world where your interactions with real people have tended to be emoji's and 128 characters or less, at 38 and a recent graduate (I went back to school) Young adults simply do not communicate with each other and the world in the same way my generation did. I once had a fellow student run into the back of me in front of the library, she was on her phone and had ear buds in... I shit you not she looked up expressionless took one step to the left looked back down on her phone kept walking. I could have given her a vacuum and she would have been a perfect human roomba. Animated content works for younger generations raised on video games and anime because your brain has been strongly conditioned to understand it. Most 40ish or older adults grew up with a much stronger connection to people, and that is why you see such them display a much stronger connection to people, you wanted to play a video game your only option was to sit next to another person, you wanted to talk to them you had to call them, there was no texting. We go into a bar and see 7 people sitting at a table on twitter not talking to each other, and wonder what the fuck they are doing that is special enough to tweet about.
@@alexanderestrada3117 I'am sorry triggered much? Go pet a puppy eat some soy and learn what edge lord means before making a reference too it... Hint: It is more closely related to douche guzzlers like yourself trying to sound edgy and cooler than you are
@@beefy1212 LMAO I can literally say the same about live action movies, or any media you enjoy for what matters. Hell, if I ask my grandmother, she'll throw at your generation, the same kind of generalisation and "hurr durr me better than you" that you're brain farting here. I can also find 40+ adults, with family and successful jobs who enjoy animation as much as the youngsters do(my parents for example, they are 57 and 60). They don't have the pathetic loser's mentality you seem to have. Interesting. You're not better, your generation is not better, more human interaction is not better by default and while implementing more tech has its problems, the world is WAY better now than it was in the Floppy Disk era, so STFU and go learn some grammar before attempting the "I'm better than you" argument.
"The Movie lacks a soul." That THE first thing I said when I saw the movie rolling. Disney sold the soul of the movie for a better image quality. And the fact many people "liked" this soulless movie kinda proves me right - lots of people are either too dumb to spot real quality, or are soulless themselves...
You have to remember as well that the people that grew up with these movies now have kids, so as long as the movie is "cute", they don't care about anything else. Even if you bring up the technical reasons why a movie is horrible, they brush it off as "but it was cute though." The average movie-goer/parent just simply don't care about how terrible a movie for kids actually is, thus we keep getting these sub-standard movies. The only time they do care is if it has something "scary" that they deem kids shouldn't watch. No more Secret of Nimh. No more The Last Unicorn. No more Oliver and Company. No more Alantis. All we have now are cute and feel good children movies.
@@The_Real_Frisbee I've got an extensive movie collection. And besides: Japanese Anime appears to be unaffected. Let's hope they don't fall for this as well...
Yet so as i checked on google the 2019 Lion King went to 1.65billion on the box office while the 1994 version nearly reached the 1 billion. Nostalgia tactic worked for disney as it seems but yes This movie lacks of soul :(
The thing with games is that they add the experience of the gameplay, so that's a whole other layer. But I understand the comparisson. It's something like Bomberman Zero, where they changed the cute tiny robots into a dark gritty realistic setting. Also the gameplay sucked, but the visuals themselves where such a departure from the original it looks like an unnoficial copy.
I think there are some tho, that do work. Things that could be made darker, or closer to their source material, or just (in my opinion better). For making some closer to their source material/darker the new Jungle Book was great. Personally I think the OG Jungle Book just isnt a very good film, but the 2017 one was great (it actually had a story). The new Beauty and the Beast was better because the characters of the Beast and Belle were much, much better, and that one also worked in live action because it went further into being a musical, with new songs (Evermore is great). The same goes for the new Cinderella. And when it comes to making films darker/closer to their source material, there are 2 films that could be remade in live action 1 being Mulan, which I think is fine not being a musical, I think it works much better that way in live action, with the story and setting itself suiting live action. And then there's the film that I want to see 'remade' but completely different to the original if possible, Hercules. They remake it as is, maybe keep it a musical, or they could make Heracles, and have it be the 'real' story from Greek myth of his 12 labours, it may have to be R rated but thats fine
@El Jay And honestly, the "realism" trend really needs to take a big step back. I'm tired of it. Like Frozen 2. Discarding the crappy plot and pacing and how in it's entirety the story lacks flow, the animation is boring. If you took out the scenes where Elsa plays with ice/rides glacial horses, there's nothing notable about it's animation. It looked like it was trying to emulate a live action film so much with all the boring shots of characters talking to each other and nothing else happening in the background or with the characters hair or anything. There was some expressions, sure, but overall? It was meh as hell. Even after they let Elsa let her hair down, they didn't even bother making the hair flow or blow around with the wind. Instead it's just there hanging limply like someone used up an entire can of hairspray on it or something. like, come on. It's an animation for a reason- it's meant to do stuff that you can't do in an live action film. Where's the fun in just trying to emulate real life all the time?
OK, so I literally know what this comments section is going to say.. "it wasn't that bad" ,"You're just hating on tiny things that are off and not taking into account [insert excuse]" or its literally going to be pure hate for this movie. I personally am a 3d artist with years of experience in 3d software like blender and Maya and genuinely thought this movie did a pretty good job in the modeling, texturing and animating department. The thing you guys don't realize is that Sam doesn't really "Despise" this movie but its just the fact that paid professionals with years of experience were tasked with the making of this movie and they should just be held to a higher standard. Things like proper color grading, motion blur, and object physics are basic concepts that if done right, can go a long way to making a movie look amazing. In this video essay, all sam is doing is showing the average viewer possible technical reasons why the movie didn't engage with audiences. I feel like he's actually done a wonderful job (though some things I did find overly nit-picky xD) but overall has shown a lot of the technical side that goes into these movies while also taking great examples from other movies and nature (documentaries). So guys, before you form a polarized opinion on the movie, go watch it yourself with an unbiased opinion though do keep Sam's points in mind! This was genuinely a great video essay and I hope to see more of this content!
I can't like this comment enough! The average person thinks animation is easier than it is which is why they don't understand why Sam is calling out professionals on this. Yes, it felt rather nit picky in some places, but he absolutely has a point.
@Ashlee Broccoli Actually I already know why warthogs would actually do that form of locomotion, I've studied animals and I've seen them do in real life. 8:54 He was criticizing how it a pig would never get down on his knees like that and all I did was simply correct him on one fact. So he didn't really do a lot of research on animal behavior he just went on what he personally knows and your paragraph is the only thing that wasn't really necessary. and it appears as though a few agree
I love how people assume what the know to be true. "A pig would never do this" care to maybe cite a source? " While this is true, real warthogs don't go on their knees for the same reason Pumbaa did, and they don't do it often." - incorrect on both counts Warthogs do this all the time, this is how they feed. The also do this when they want see under 'n stump. If you observe a idle warthog for more than about than about 30mins. You are pretty much guaranteed to see them do this
@@broccoli9678 Spent a lot of time observing warthogs do you? a ) they kneel like that to drink and feed, like constantly b) I've observed them kneeling like that to 'investigate' curiosities with their snouts and tusks.
Ashlee Broccoli and they fired most of their 2d animators, Disney animators are incredibly valuable, and I doubt they’d leave the jobs they’re in now to go back to Disney after this shitshow
It's really an important point because they hyped the whole thing up as "ultra-realistic". And one of the first things I noticed was supposedly a young male lion with no balls!
people will be like “the animals having human lips will be unrealistic” the animals are talking, they need human lips to talk dont they? Also animals talking english is u n r e a l i s t i c
KALSKingdom like i said having animals talk perfect english isnt natural at all. No animal can talk perfect english (even parrots though it is very close) its weird, it seems like the animals are lip syncing but badly. Giving them human lips would be more natural in a way to give them life. And “sometimes” being natural in a remake isn’t good enough if its “sometimes” this movie is going to be good don’t make it at all. Keep the movie that was good all the time.
@@mojoejojo6675 My 18 year old cousin whom had never seen the original 1994 version watched the 2019 version first then at my suggestion watched the older version afterwards. He loved the original over this easily. Emotion expression and voice acting were the 2 big things for him.
The "cartoons are for kids stigma" cannot be blamed on American audiences when 90%+ of the content being produced in America is stuff for babies or completely family friendly. Why do you think anime from Japan is popular, they provide content that isn't just made for babies or with rigid family friendly standards.
What about Bojack Horseman, Castlevania, Love Death and Robots, Archer etc.? they are proof animation isn't just a children's medium. The whole "animation is for kids" stigma needs to end and it's outdated
@@Johnlindsey289 you just "proved" that it's not a children's medium and then claimed the stigma of it being a children's medium needs to end. Ask yourself this: who is really perpetuating the stigma? Have you considered that maybe you bringing it up all the time is the problem? Nobody who watches Bojack thinks about cartoons being for kids. Only you do.
@@alpha.gamma.dingdong Just saying they are proof adults can take animation seriously being those examples to Bojack Horseman to Spawn yas to DC animation to Castlevania to even Japanese animation like Ninja Scroll, Akira, Princess Mononoke. I wish that more people stopped judging animation as a whole to due to trends or outdated standards.
The voice acting sucked. Get actual talented and soulful voice actors instead of hiring stars just because they have big names. Its so tacky and feels off.
This! There are plenty of experienced voiceover actors! Dave Fennoy, Phil Lemarr, Cree Summer, Kyla Pratt, Ashly Burch, Laura Bailey, Travis Willingham, Matt Mercer, Sametria Ewunes to name a few!
I'm selighted to see france isn't the only country to have so few consideration for REAL voice actors... But one would say they do this to promote the movie on tv and stuff, as the main characters don't exist.
That's exactly what I keep saying. Give more less well known people more chances instead of just hiring rich people. Its always the same people over and over again and not caring if it's good quality. They keep using people with big names because they hope it's enough to get people to buy in on the movie.., unfortunately that's not how it works.
And if you keep complaining about it, I'm going to keep following this until you stop doing it since you don't realize your just giving them more attention and keeping talking about it won't do a damn thing at all since your all just trapped in your own bubble thinking that what you think is what the entire world thinks.
i dunno how they make any money based on everything i see and read, everyone hates it, but the "i'm into art" people who somehow thing CGI is the same as cartoons or should be the same, when it shouldnt, it definitely shouldnt ever be the same, nobody wants realistic CGI to replace cartoons
"A pig would never get down on it's wrists like that". Actually, warthogs do that whenever grazing or drinking, so, yeah, one point goes to this movie (which is still God-damned pointless, regardless. 😒).
Ashlee Broccoli actually warthogs eat meat too. So if a warthog came accross a non decomposed small corpse it would kneel down to examine it and even take a bite out of it. So yes a warthog WOULD kneel down to look at roadkill
On part 3/4. TBH The funniest thing I found about the whole film is that Zazu, the bird... with a fixed beak and a literal lack of ability to make facial expressions, seemed to me to be one of the most emotive characters around. Why? Because they put a decent amount of effort into the body language of the bird (something utterly lacking in most of the other characters).
Most anime is still intended for children, Shounen and Shoujo especially are both aimed at teen audiences. You can still enjoy them as an adult (I know I do) but most western adults will find them a bit unapproachable if they're not already used to anime.
rockstarcrossing no one ever told you to watch every single anime out there. There is plenty extremely mature and original ones. TV series is filled with too much clichés too if you go that road. My gf always watch a ton of series and I can always predict exactly what’s going to happen because... well it always does.
Homunculus Hope Yeah, I agree and that’s what I was trying to say. There is always a few golden nugget here and there, but most stories, whatever the support it’s using, always come down to the same codes in the end. So saying "I don’t like this because it’s full of clichés" is a dumb argument as every single story is full of clichés.
Did anyone else really hate the “be prepared” song in the new one? Like there was no umph, you know? It just kinda happened and passed by, and it was so boring to watch.
All songs sucked. I wouldn’t even have guessed it was Beyoncé singing. They totally butchered one of the best movie soundtracks ever. Why even the lyrical changes? Why bereave “Can You Feel The Love Tonight” of its grandeur and turn it into a Highschool Musical B-cast performance?
This guy's a coppa spy "Kids like cartoons" "Adults find it difficult to empathize with animated characters" The entirety of anime culture would like a word with you sir.
KingLich Something wrong with it? I don’t believe it’s necessary to hate on certain communities, because you wouldn’t want somebody to hate on one you’re in. Though, I don’t want to start an argument, so just live your life how you want. That’s just my opinion.
There’s no life in it. With hand-drawn art, the artists infuse their soul into their product and the emotions they convey are real. With CGI, it’s a lifeless computer.
I agree. Instead of coming up with new and original ideas, they are busy ruining classics that were far superior to the remakes. Unfortunately Disney is making money from them and won't stop any time soon.
@@DarlyFofa Or you instead stop listening to a**holes who have an ego that makes them think they're superior than the filmmakers and jerking themselves off to anybody who enables them to continue to think like that. And wish they just shut up their big foulmouths because they are so deluded that they don't realize all of what they said is just pointless useless nonsense Just like you.
Guess what? actually they have to, it’s in Walt Disney’s will that every generation a new movie based on a classic has to be made so every gen can enjoy it. Look it up
Despite the early bad reviews,I still decided to give it a chance,remembering what a good job Jon Favreau did with the live-action Jungle Book. What I failed to realize was that movie had a human protagonist,with whom the audience can relate....as opposed to an entire cast of CGI animals rendered so realistically,they lack the ability to facially emote.
and that is what killed the movie, it's not supposed to be real, i dunno why Disney is doing this, are they so out of ideas they are just going back from 1935 on and gonna re render everything in perfect CGI? that would be the dumbest thing ever OR is it us old people who dislike this and the new kids who dunno any better love it and were just the old folks yelling "get off my lawn!" now :(
NOT WRONG! Considering, EVEN ME STARTING OUT IN DIGITAL PAINTING, Neutral colors are FOUNDATION COLORS, NOT DOMINANT COLOR! I know full damn well to use saturation to the fullest extent. As honestly life is colorful, cartoon's exaggerate it, cinema is duller to match darker feelings. If I wanted to see this level of bullshit, go to a desert with a lack of canyons and mesas. Flat, MUTED YELLOWS, MUTED ORANGES, and light greens where vegetation has dried up. It's boring, uninteresting, but atleast in real life it has atmosphere.
8:53 I just want to point out that warthogs do actually kneel down on their knees whenever they need to get closer to the ground. However, with that being said, I do agree with some of your other points, such as Simba not seeming to 'weigh enough' whenever he moves.
Even my kitten has more expression than young Simba. When she's scared her eyes widen and dilate, her ears perk back, her whiskers creep forward, her hackles raise up, her feet spread alittle, her fur poofs alittle, and don't get me started with her changes in movement. Lots of little things amount to alot. Maybe those animators did not have pets? Maybe their animation supervisor was too linient and said that stiffness in expression is fine?
Exactly! You can compare how Simba runs between the stampede scene and, say, the Hakuna Matata song, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, whereas the way a cat runs when scared compared to when it's playing around are different. The stampede scene really bugged me because of it. At least the original had exaggerated facial expressions to sell the emotion.
It's a very whitewashy western feel as there dogs are far more loved by people than any other animal and if the animation has a dog like personality he suddenly becomes adorable.
This is the one thing I can't stand about my family is I can see through the movie and what the problems are. But my family doesn't see that. They are too busy looking at the CGI or their phones to even notice the dialogue, characters, and story. My sister keeps telling me that I'm always so negative about movies so I tell her well it's not my fault that the movie is so shit and I can see what they really are.(note: my family loves Michael Bay films)
Eddie Strange that reminds me of my family, they always say I’m negative about things because certain movies just aren’t good but they don’t realize that.
the dialog characters and story are all the same as the first movie which everyone loves. whats the point of lying when everyone sees y'all doing it? Just to tarnish your spirit with some guilt? hey whatever
8:53 Actually, warthogs will often kneel on their front legs in order to graze on foliage. Their legs are a LOT longer than other species of pig, primarily to allow them to run up to extremely high speeds to outmaneuver predators (they can run up to 40 mph, or approx. 100 kph, I believe). However, these legs happen to be too long for them to be able to properly graze. So, as to circumvent this, they kneel. It's actually really funny to watch. Even though I hate Disney with my guts, I can at least still begrudgingly acknowledge it for its accuracy in this not widely known fact.
"While adults can't empathize with animated characters" They can make u do more than simply emphasize with them! they sometimes have more humanity than the humans themselves thanks to the artists that spend countless hours designing them.
"We don't care that the Lion King (2019) characters are all soulless emotionless inferior versions of the original. We still got your money!" -- Disney
I do support Disney for creative things like Wreck it Ralph and Zootopia but not halfassed carbon copy live action rip-off remakes of classics like Lion King and Beauty and Beast
When is disney going to make a animated movie in the real disney style like they used to? Im so tired of live action and 3d animated movies. I want to see some real art again...hand drawn cells not computer animation... :(
@@oludaebyrd4801 to me there is a difference. I do some web design work and have made simple animations, characters like you would see on flash animations or modern cartoon production(computer based) moving a model around on a computer is not that hard(making it look good can be duh) but its a completely different skillset than cell animation and hand drawing 12 or even 24 frames a second in some animation masterpieces. The biggest difference most of the time if the computer stuff will always look a bit too 'perfect' and thus it tends to lack flow, character and impact of something done by hand drawn art...thas why i consider one to be more of an art form and the other to be more of a process/product/job
@@oludaebyrd4801 You can even see this in other forms of animation...Take south park as an example, It had far more charm and artistic appeal when the animations were made from construction paper. They have now switched to digital for numerous advantages to production and in general it looks very sharp and well produced...but it lacks the artistic creativity it once had.
I haven't even seen the whole movie, and I already know that my cat has more emotion in her left eyebrow than this entire movie has in its runtime. As an aspiring animator, a cat lover, and someone with a history of taking my beanie baby kittens outside in the morning, standing on a chair, holding them over my head and screaming in awful Swahili as the sun rose when I was a child, this movie successfully shattered my hopes like a metal bat to all three of my kneecaps.
As an animator, one thing I was trying to scream into people’s ears is that animals actually have body language. Simply drooping ears conveys sadness more then they show in the finished product.
Animals are very expressive. The challenge is finding the medium between how humans express emotions and how animals express them.
@@AntiFaGoat Yeah, but they didn't even try doing much of ANY emotion.
Martin Gray there’s plenty of actions the animals can do that express their emotions, sometimes their head is low to show submission, they bare their teeth to show anger, and they move erratically to show their distress, it’s pretty impressive.
@@tyrrantx6760 Yeah, that's my point: they don't show any of that in any clips that I've seen at moments where the original actually did in addition to the more human expressions.
@@AntiFaGoat Aslan the Lion was done very well in that manner. Expressive enough (a lot of it through the eyes) but not so expressive that he looked cartoony.
"While adults can't empathize with animated characters"
E X C U S E M E
It's four in the morning and I'm laughing me vocal cords off.
I just showed my 21 year old friend the Lion King for the first time (she somehow never saw it) and she was on the verge of tears when Mufasa died. I felt kind of bad lol
Well, it doesn't help that fandom communities start to make the animation community look like a joke. I.E. Toxic fandoms like Rick and Morty, SpongeBob, Stephen Universe, Sonic, Star Wars, or MLP. Sure the people who actually animate these do put their hearts into as they can, but sadly in a world where can almost say anything online to somebody that in we wouldn't say in real life because we either too nice or too much of a coward. (Including me, I'll admit to that) No matter what you say and even with the work you put into backing up your arguments, people aren't going to listen or give a damn about it. Just like what we've accomplished in school(Unless it applies to whatever careers we want to do), we'll just soon forget anything you and other people said because it just feels like useless nonsense.
I mean, most adults and even teens just see most animation as kid shit or think it's embarrassing to want to see an animated movie. It's kind of sad honestly, I'm a grown man and just about every movie I plan to see next year is gonnna be animated.
Tyler Rakstis Oh shut up with the toxic fandom BS! If the fandom is toxic so is the property. Point blank the fandom makes the property. Sorry you can’t completely change something and still think you get the fans of said something. That’s not how it works. You bring up Sonic but they listened to their fans and changed the property to make it better and we’ll see how much money it makes. Star Wars didn’t and watch a little money they’re making right now. Reality doesn’t agree with your opinion. Entertainment is just a product like any other. If you don’t make your customer happy they don’t buy your product. That doesn’t make them bad people that makes you bad at making products.
"Now I hate to keep comparing . . ."
The thing is, a remake INVITES comparison. If you're banking on knowledge of the original to be the draw, you had damn well be prepared for comparisons. And if your movie can't compare favorably, then you're doomed to failure.
so true!
if a movie cant compare favourably, the audience is wearing their nostalgia frames
@@jjperceval I have always hated the nostalgia argument. It totally undermines the film in question.
The fact that so many people love the original Lion King is not because "nostalgia" but because it's an incredible film.
The new Lion King is also not shit because people have nostalgia for the original.
It's shit because... well I mean, presumably you watched this video right?
I often watch originals and remakes and never compare them. It's pointness to compare them.
cheezemonkeyeater FACTS!
I think we can all agree, that the only good Lion Disney has animated in a “realistic” way is the Lion from the Narnia movies
That lion looks pretty good to me. I can't remember Narnia that much but I remember the lion being the best part of the movies
Naw I prefer the lion from the Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe
@@chokichocat3083 same lol
@@chokichocat3083 that is Narnia
That Lion was best Lion.
*2010:* Nobody takes 3D animation seriously because "cOmPuTeRs Do aLl ThE wOrK"
*2019:* Nobody takes 2D animation seriously because it's not realistic enough
History is repeating itself... Again.
God bender is right, *KILL ALL HUMANS* ahahahahah I need some help.
Computer do all the work?
Excuse me who ever says that need to try them self let's see them animate Pixar level animation without taking them 7 years or more
@@Som3D That's why I put it in quotation marks, because it's what nay-sayers were ignorantly saying at the time. I understand your confusion, so I edited the quote to make it look more sarcastic.
I think the problem is that some people won't take animation seriously at all.
@@misseli1 That’s because some people still think that cartoons are just kid stuff. Thankfully, cartoons has shaken off that stigma, for the most part, since the 1990s.
I would kill to see 2D animated films coming out in theaters again. I miss them a lot. I like the kinds of animation they do for Zootopia and (god forbid) Frozen, but I really wouldn't mind seeing 2D films again...
Me: “‘Alvin and the Chipmunks...’”
Me: **takes a long drag on my candy cigarette**
Me: “Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in years...”
Those films have had the absolute shit hated out of them, but I saw a few and, while all the scenes with humans are cringe hell, the Chipmunks and Chipettes are surprisingly in-character almost all the time. It's like watching an episode of the old cartoon, except someone keeps switching the channels to a show about comedians who hate being in a movie.
Smokes smarties lol people actually got really in trouble for that oh wow that was a long time ago
i dont even remember who was getting the best head
DeathbyPixels jokes on u I’ve jerked it to porn all the time
@Erik Mendon Theodore, you fool.
I feel like the Lion King remake is made for those people who think the Absolute Best Kind Of Art are the realistic fruit still life paintings and scenery paintings and "god why isn't all art like that"
oh definitely! or the type of people who'd claim concept art is dead because they personally prefer a bland photorealistic rendering on a computer.
i think it was made for simba. and humans are lucky to be blessed with such divine mana
@@kloggmonkey i like the lionking 2019
I also like realisim
But no way is the 2019 version even close to the orginal however they took a deeper dive into scars reign showing us another possibility that scar was going to rule like that of a dog instead of a lion and thus never became kingscar forced the female lions to stay inside only going out to feast he was stronger overtime and became formidable agenst the lionesses whos tradition was not to hurt there king in the movie sarabe is vary clearly still head lioness she the eldest most wise lioness and she dossent get pissed off when nala deffys her when shes an adult she understands nala is old enagh to make her own decisions now and ahe lets her go she has no way of stoping her later realising that it was right for nala to do so all in all the movies enjoyable despite the weird looks and off faces you can still enjoy it personaly i liked the more enhanced body movements it got my brain thinking without makeing me want to talk
Yeah.. I can picture people like that. I hate it, as an artist... like my country is obsessed with realism art, like not even good realism art, like amateur one. Like honestly... aren't we tired of reality.. let art talk. Let the imagination free. So draining that kind of art.
@@naissketching395 Me too, I even find photorealism style is boring.
“What’s live acton about it?”
“The ground.” - Nostalgia Critic
Aslan had more facial expressions than the “live action” Simba.
Yeah and that didnt look good either. Can we just not try and make realistic looking talking animals? It never works
Yeah I remeber last time I went to the zoo. I swear that lion was making the quagmire face.
@@cirlex5104 It didn't look good, 'cause it looked *great.*
@@thermallance7947 giggity
@@cirlex5104 Aslan was done really well. Animals don't speak English to each other and sing either. If you want realistic animals only moving their mouths in animal ways, you might not want to see a movie musical where animals are expected to sing and do Choreo.
Hey hey, Japan does a great job of creating many cartoons directed at adults. Cartoon animation is not dead everywhere, just in Disney's mind.
That's why he specifically mentioned "stigma [[IN AMERICA]]"
Plenty of creators outside of Japan do an excellent job with "adult animation" as well. Heck, it is thanks to Ralph Bakshi, someone from the states, that adult animation got as popular as it did everywhere, with the first X-rated animated movie and his many other works that followed. There's plenty of animation aimed at adults outside the states, all over Asia and Europe and beyond, the problem is people don't seem to care enough.
But Disney kicked out every proper 2D animator they had from the Disney Renaissance, so clearly they don't care about making good products anymore. So much effort put into those phenomenal works by those people and yet the company doesn't give two damns about them.
No. Animation has always been seen in the West as being for kids. There's always been that stigma; it's not just Disney.
And that is why Disney made Frozen 2 2019 and Raya And The Last Dragon animation in 2020..
So dead in Disneys mind LOL
But sadly, only film and animation fanatics would only care.
The realism just doesn't add anything to the telling of the story.
Lmao, like if Disney ever made an original thing except mickey
making the characters "realistic" is actually a step backwards in the design process. when Simba (and the rest of the cast) was designed for the original Lion King animated film, the character designers were tasked with taking their source material, a real lion, and designing something that still reads as a lion, but could do everything that they wanted it to do on screen (talking, singing, emoting) and still look appealing. there was a need for them to design a cartoon lion. this is why a designer's job is work... this takes effort. every change you can point out between a real lion and Simba's original cartoon design, is the fruit of their labor.
taking that design and trying to bring it back toward photo realism is literally working backward. it's undoing what the designers originally did to make this animal animate in an appealing way. and all of the problems mentioned in this video are a direct product of doing something that was always completely counter intuitive. cartoon Simba was designed to move better, express better, look like he's singing, and have a better color palette... the whole movie was! and a lot of the "live action" Lion King's confusion over how the characters should move, or what their faces should be doing, comes from this. they're trying to keep the characters looking enough like their cartoon designs to be iconic, but adhere enough to what real lions look like to fall in line with realism. of course you're landing in the uncanny valley, that's what the area just shy of realism is, and this creative process is tailor made for landing you exactly there.
Dorbald Goblin Beautifully said! I couldn’t agree more 👏🏼
@@loregoblin3854 Couldn't have said it better, myself.
The Lion King actually IS an original story, created specifically for Disney, so you have to give them credit for that
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warthogs actually do get down on their wrists like that, but the rest of the commentary is valid.
Thank you for being more polite than the others about this. People need to realise it's okay to make mistakes.
I studied animation and classmates, teachers and even the headmaster HATES this movie, because this movie had no soul. The hyper realism work against it since realistic animals can't emote like cartoon animals, they don't have the muscle structure, unlike the cartoon version. And Chile has a worse stigma when it comes to animation, not even a fucking oscar convinced people to take it seriously
oh really you went to animation school ? then you might be knowing that animators study animals before they animate that animal? do you know about finding nemo ? ofcourse they are a different studio but im pretty sure the guys at disney were also highly experienced expert, to know what you might be knowing
Swastik Swarup Das yeah but Finding Nemo is cartoonishly animated, you can get away with anything if it has artistic style, but if the style is realistic or hyper realism then the animation will now have limitations of real life making the animation soulless. Not saying all of them are, but glaringly a lot of hyper realistic animations are not as good.
Gabriel .Strange it depends though. Aslan from Narnia was actually a great animated character despite being from the early 2000’s. But if Disney made The Lion King 2019 have an art style similar to Detective Pikachu or Sonic’s redesign then it can work. But yeah, they should’ve tried more with the animal expressions. They made Zootopia how did they not learn something?
@@SwastikSwarupDas The difference is that while/when creating something especially animals or monsters which are usually a combination of animals/people/plants depending on what the genre is it's how 'squishy' they make the characters. Finding Nemo all the characters while animals are doughy and have human faces or features which even if they do or in some cases don't move like real animals. But that's my two cents on it.
Well game of thrones season 8 won "best drama" from the emmy's; no ones going to be taking these "awards" seriously anymore.
I'm such a fan of the old 2D styled animation. I wish there'd be more of that rising again
This is the reason I'm very excited for Klaus and how well it uses 2d animation. I just hope it'll inspire more film makers to follow, as well as funding for the art form
Even in anime, 2D animation looks better.
With drawings, you can better emphasise movements, exagerations and things like that. With 3D, you don't really see that.
agreed!!!
@Ana Laura Meraz I know anime exists I just don't particularly like it
I would love that too as long as its not more adventure time, Stephen universe crap its weird that all the newer shows have this sorta anatomy to them it kinda gets on my nerves
Just look at Azlan from Chronicles of Narnia, He was done perfectly.
I hate to be that person but it's *Aslan but yes I totally agree.
Lion King 2019 : what are you complaining, i mean WE are very great by doing"photorealism"...
Narnia: DO NOT CITE THE DEEP MAGIC TO ME WITCH
I WAS THERE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN
@@Eggsther I'M WHEEZING
your joking right? that thing looked fake as hell, the little rat character look miles better, IMO
That was exactly what I was thinking. The CGI from the first Narnia movie maybe wasn't as "realistic" or polished as it can be today, but it was pretty great. Aslan actually had that "weight" mentioned in the video, and the lip-sinc was also quite good. Also, Aslan was never meant to *sing,* which explains why he fits and live-action Simba doesn't.
"While adults can't empathize with animated characters" wtf I'm 25 and I rather watch animated characters than dramas and shit
Same, I'm 19 and I still watch cartoons more than live-action TV shows or shows that guys at my age "should" watch
Gaaaaaaaaaay. Smh some people should never have left sunday church. If my pastor heard about me watching pro-liberal gay cartoons (because that's what they are), I would be spanked on the spot and maybe more (!!!) This is why we grew up in an anti-President Trump (learn the full name folks (!!) world!
God bless and Roll Tide!
I'm sure Simbas situation relates to how you feel while at work on a hectic Monday morning listening to people complain to you about things that are meaningless. As your brain blocks out the sound that comes out of their chatterbox, you recall the part from the movie The Lion King where Simba and his mate murder Scar.
@Pepe The Platypus They're a troll and/or a legitimate nut job. It would be best to ignore them.
Brother/sister, I feel the exact same way.
Narnia had a CG lion with some human facial expressions and it looked infinitely more realistic.
Yes...you could love Aslan even though he moved clunkily and the fur looked like a carpet. But the voice and the face did the work.
Preach!
didn't he have the same face the whole time? like a droopy eyed bulldog?
@@satireknight Which means the faces and postures should be obviously more expressive if you're implying that time should make animation better.
Yep!
i feel bad for the animators in this movie, they are getting absolutey obliterated
And the concept artists too. Their concepts are waaaay more artistic than the actual movie 😢
Ayu Maharani im a major in computer animation and all of this is so depressing :(
I mean, dont blame the animators. They just get hired for the job, and do what they have to do based on what they're told to do.
Animating is HELLA *HARD* Making 1 second take 3 hours*
Nobody talks about the director, I mean, animators are basically contractors, they have little creative input in the whole design phase, if the goal was to create hyper realistic animals cosplaying as Simba, Timon and Pumbaa, there was little they could do about translating the original movie into this new look.
I Didn't realize that scene was supposed to be singing without the audio.
Me neither lmao 😂😂
yes indeed, it just looks like a literal bird's eye point of view of them walking
Same, it took me until he actually explained the scene that we were watching.
same
what scene?
I HAVE NEVER watched the original lion king and i totally missed the shot where simba grows up! You're actually right
I finally realized what felt so wrong about this movie ... I was watching animated taxidermy.
The fur/skin and anatomy are perfect (to my non expert eyes) but the poses are unnatural. What makes it worse is the eyes have no life just a fake shine to make them look "wet" like glass.
When watching this movie my subconscious mind was picturing a taxidermy squirrel mariachi band ...
Oh, that's a good way to word it. Everything just looks dead. Even the environments. Feels like there's absolutely no soul in this film.
Like a museum display
Great way to word it
Congrats you've just been told what to think...
Love that comparison. Yes, every shot I've seen of this movie looks like they worked hard on that it looks real, but not alive.
Correction: pigs get down on their wrists all the time. And yes, they do put their head down first. Sometimes their nose all the way to the ground.
Raised alot of pigs.
Cue "goteem" gif
in minecraft?
That was the moment I disliked the video. Not enough research was done obviously.
@@dennymontanez1007 I think there was a lot of research put in, artistically speaking, but this guy cant be an expert on everything. The error was pointed out, so I don't see the problem.
Blue BukkitDev but those piggies are not wild warthogs. Domestic pigs are going to be waaaaay different from wild cousins. I don’t know how warthogs or boars act. Does anyone?
“A real warthog would never do this” that’s literally how real life warthogs lean down to drink and stuff.
This.
Legitimately everytime!!
Here’s an example, where you can clearly see a warthog doing this: th-cam.com/video/I9T3WnodKZA/w-d-xo.html
Glad I'm not the only one who found that jarring.
Exactly!
What if it had been remade without voices, completely realistic visually but with empathetic expressions, and forced to tell the story visually and clever story telling?
I'd be curious about that. It might not be the best movie, but certainly an interesting take if done right.
Wow you expect allot from a studio that does not give a fuck about movies
Aslan from Narnia is ashamed on this movie's animators.
Star Ranario He has to pull them aside and talk to them gravely on a big rock, like he did for Edmund 😂
Oooohhh now THAT'S a good movie. Narnia had Aslan the best animators.
I was literally thinking about Aslan for almost the entire video. Shame that they couldn't take notes from Narnia and do the animals in this movie some favors.
Ohhhh, please why did you remind me of such good moments in life watching that movie 😭😭
I really want someone to analyze why Aslan worked better than the Lion King remake because I know it does work better but can't explain why
They should have paid Animal Planet to shot the whole movie.
Jammy Man shut the fuck up. 😂😂
@J T dude, look at the profile. English is probably not their first language.
@J T You speak english. Elitist bastard. I wish I spoke English, oh wait I do. Guess I'm better than everyone else too now.
@@dead2675 R/WOOOOSH
@J T Then, don't try to correct someone if you can't correct yourself, idiot.
Dead, soulless, sterile, colorless, depressing and wanting to be overly realistic while being ignorant of the real world? Is this movie... secretly a satire on modern culture?
I Hate the society for still watching this shitty movie. Why ?
Haha
That, or it's a video game from 2007.
@@thomassommerfeld8494 because PEOPLE LIKE IT. WE HAVE OPINIONS DO YOU NOT KNOW THOSE EXIST
All of Disney's remakes are soulless boring movies. That's why I hate them and wish they didn't exist.
Who’s ready for the Fox and the Hound remake?
*_Yeah... me neither..._*
Wait, is it true?
Now that’s tough lol
They better not butcher my childhood favourite Disney movie (rewatching it recently made me realise how dark/deep it actually is)
Sierotka Marysia
Yeah they’re making a remake
Oh god no
The thing is, fans don’t want to see the same movies over again with better graphics. We need to see more original ideas
This
Sofia Lazarev At this point Disney is just ripping off the ideas of the past to play on people’s nostalgia. I mean look at Star Wars. All of the new ones are trash.
Some like it, some don't- it's all just preference.
tell that to all of the stupid Batman, Spiderman, and Superman reboots...same shit origin stories.
Exactly.
The real irony in all this is how with everything you have pointed out, it all leads back to what walt Disney himself taught at his studio- animation needs believability. and he didn't mean 'draw them realistically' its the 12 principles of animation, it's the core of animation being 'what is this character thinking? can I understand or make sense of this characters thoughts based on their movements alone?'
Seems the ones working on the newest Lion king forgot the most basic rules of Walt Disney himself.
Oh the irony.
very true lmao
I personally believe the major problem is that “Disney” as an entity, is huge and splintered. People think of the Disney remakes as “being made by Disney” because it has the name on it, but the truth of the matter is that the people who make these are a pretty much completely separate entity from Disney Animation Studios (who do the cartoony stuff) and they have no clue about the underlying values and teachings of classical animation, despite the fact that they basically make animated movies..... and the remakes are on top of that very rarely directed by people who even understand animation properly... at least that’s my take on it but it’s a personal opinion/theory. Just cos it says “Disney” on the box doesn’t mean you get true Disney classical values anymore, sadly.
This needs to be up top
agreed with this statement, unless the movie was meant to be animation world, literally. I supposed, you do realize that this was meant to be a live action, at the first place. Unless you're criticize about the realistic movement or another, I should be more agree with it
I wonder if Walt Disney watched his animations as if he were deaf?
Mostly done watching this video and I'm surprised you didn't make comparisons to Aslan or that Owls of GaHoole movie. One had a realistic lion that could emote, and the other had an animal that was hyperealistic but could also still emote... and it was a fucking bird. Hell, compare it to Happy Feet even.
"Legend of the Guardians" was made by the same studio that made "Happy Feet." Animal Logic. They make the best realistic/semi realistic animal stuff, imho.
@@AntiFaGoat animal logic? Wow didn't know that, they were the ones who made the cn city era
I saw Legend of the Guardians for the first time the story was decent but the aesthetics were incredible!!!
Owls of GaHoole is not talked about enough. Loved that movie. It's not perfect but really good.
@@rosewatersaffron8430 No one talks about it because it ruined the books.
''no pig would ever get down on his wrist like that'' open google , type warthog
thats actually their wrists, also
I am dumbfounded of how stupid this video is, and the stupid people that just gobble it up. Lots of teenagers thinking that the team of animators, and whole lot of specialists, didn't meticulously studied for months every single movement of the animals in the film "debunked" by this kid? And this is the times we live now. Everyone has an "opinion": the earth is flat, vaccines are not OK, science doesn't work.
GO STUDY YOU STUPID SHITS!
@@SofiaFilos ok boomer
@@SofiaFilos Did you actually listen to his arguments? Besides the wrist-thing, he's dead-right. There's a REASON the fight between realistic and cartoon went as it did when the original movie was made. The characters, the colours and the animation seems stiff and lifeless in the remake because they, ironically, wanted to make it life-like. It seems steril compared to something like Maleficent.
Mari Back are you saying you liked the new lion king? More than the original?
So this Monday my college class actually had one of the animators from the new lion King in to give us an animation workshop.
I must say that the animators themselves had no creative freedom what so ever. They would have to produce up to 160 different versions (or passes) of each 1-4 clips, and each pass would be reviewed by the on site Disney producers/management team. and Each and every movement they wanted to animate would have to be backed by a lot of reference clips. If the on site Disney managers didn't like what the animators produced they would have to do it again, and again until they were happy with it, even if the animator didn't like the result.
Also to touch on the eyebrows, the animator that came into our class said that they were strictly not allowed to move the eyebrows to convey emotions, if they did they would be told to remove the movement during the daily pass reviews.
So with that being said, commenters, please don't bash the animatiors so much. They didn't have full control over the animations.
tl;dr THE ANIMATORS HAD NO CREATIVE CONTROL AT ALL
Most accurate comment
Who hates on the animators? Teh hate is on the directors ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯
the Animator definitely hate those stupid management people who had known nothing about animation and expression...
I feel bad for those animator.
Samuel: *mentions some Hakuna Matata scene*
Me: *only until he says "They don't seem to be singing" do I finally realize he's already been showing the singing scene.*
Yup.
Yea the movie’s terrible lmao 😆
So true.. for a person who haven't watched the lion King cartoon.. and don't onow the story.. watching this movie mute mode (without any sound) is soo confusing... The body language, the facial expressions, are soo minimal.. that one will have no idea as to what is happening till someone explains to them what the scene is all about.. we won't be able to make what the characters r feeling even.. and in real life u can make out what ur own house dog is feeling when u look at him closely
>TFW the poster has more orange than the entire actual movie
BUT DIRTY ASS BROWN IS REALISTIC!!! /s
Those lions should be covered with flies and mud and have strings of old shit hanging from their buts if they wanted to have a realistic movie xD
Haha indeed. And even then you'd still see haters... I'm sorry... "critics" like this one, shouting "not enough flies" or "too much shit" :D Some people just can't stop.
And Rafiki would actually have a red baboon butt, and most male characters you'd definitely be able to tell that they are male
they should've made this a Disney Earth documentary if they really wanted to make it THAT realistic.
Havent I seen your comment in a video about TH-cam's new terms of service?
@@xxeroes Yes.
The problem being that this movie made money, and since Disney loves money above all, they are going to keep doing this to their old movies.
Don't worry, they made money from buying their own tickets. Lol jk
That's what I'm afraid of.
Looked it up. It made more money in the US than the first Avengers, Avatar or Black Panther...
@@NM-ev7pu Lion King was a cultural touchstone of a generation that is almost unequaled in movie history. A remake was going to smash box offices no matter what as long as it didn't suck, if for no other reason then because people just wanted to see what had been done to it. And the hyper realistic angle means that people who grew up with it, like me, could talk about "how good it looks" rather than just admit they watched a kids movie and liked it for what it is. But if the remake had to stand on it's own in a vacuum on it's own merits only a tiny fraction of people would have seen it and THAT is the measure of the movie.
Ralathar44 I think a huge chunk of the audiences will have been people who were children then, showing this touchstone of their youth to their children.
In the old days, Disney would just re-release old movies into theaters, but with modern home movies that no longer works.
"While adults can't empathize with animated characters"
Excuse me but don't project yourself on me, sir.
Prob soyboy
poor choice of words. Weirdo.
Lol he said MOST not all. Put a safety on that trigger lol
@@jaimerivera6435 Literally the only one triggered by my comment is you buddy
@@stealthpro56 Ma'am, just go back to your cave. Thanks
"Most adults find it difficult to empathize with animated characters"
Me and my Miku body pillow disagree ._.
\*Look at hentai collection\*
Suuure...
I went to some outdoor movie theatre that showed a classic child movie and so many adults cried when the little siblings in a family got reunited with their pets.
Can’t remember the name of the movie but it was three siblings (two boys and a girl), and the pets were two dogs and a cat. And they got lost and started making their way back home and that end scene touched kids and adults..,because hey they all had empathy and felt happy it ended well.
@@soilgrasswaterair "Homeward Bound"
Hatsune Miku! 😊💛
"While adults can't empathize with animated characters.."
Baby Yoda: Hold my beer
JDawOfficial All the characters in Bojack Horseman!
Baby Yoda is a puppet. Not sure that counts for animated 😁
@@SheldonHull It is a hybrid cgi made to look "puppety"
Question - ...WHY DOES BABY YODA HAVE A BEER??!!!
@@lukeeasterling1457 Jawa Juice.
Literally the ONLY live action "remake" I'm interested in is Mulan, and that's purely because they're telling almost a completely different story by going off the original poems.
I liked Maleficent, but it wasn't a remake. But yeah, I'm not watching any of these remakes. Just not interested.
darksector41
Wow, that’s the opposite for me, lol. I never want to lay my eyes upon the new Mulan remake because they’re ruining so many great things about the original.
@@jewelsthecat5331 Yeah, like, if I want to see something close to the poems, there's already a Chinese movie about it, and it is quite good.
What interested me on Disney original was all the things it made a Disney one, especially Mushu.
I want a live action Hunchback that isn't a remake of the Disney movie, but an true adaptation from the novel. Imagine the shit show from parents that take their kids thinking it'll be a remake kids film only to see Esmeralda hanging naked at the end.
Wait there is..? Why I never heard about that
Whoever called this photorealistic: come back when animals are allowed to have external genitalia
You just made me imagine a lion's balls
Yeah why the heck are the people so fricking puritanical that you can't even show animal genitalia in a movie that strives towards realism.
@@nartapok They should've made the movie 18+ so they can show the “realism”. I wonder how they make those balls.
@@carljojohnson Imagine animating lions balls
@@Hatred1414 Red Dead Redemption 2 has Horse Balls and with balls that Shrink in Cold Weather
"you can't train a bunch of lions to act together" - he's probably never seen Roar (1981)
_Roar_ doesn't contradict that point. It confirms that point.
Lions pride's are a thing
I’m already tired of these live action Disney remakes too. Can’t they just stop making them already and do something original for a change? Please...? I just feel like they are so busy making these pointless live action remakes that they really don’t have any extra time to work on anything new.
Google the recent D23 news. There's gonna be an animated movie about some dragon. Forgot the name lol.
TheVanishing87 yeah! They ARE making three new movies this year though I think, so that’s a HUGE step up from before.
Their biggest money maker is nostalgia. As long as the people crave that Disney is going to provide that.
Personally though, I think people have craved something new over nostalgia for the past decade now.
these movies are making them a ton of money
far more than anything original
it's not gonna stop until the bubble bursts
This feels like a retread of when Disney kept churning out pointless sequels to movies that didn't need them. It's a phase that sets a bad precedent. Disney basically fired all their traditional animators and other companies try to hunt down these animators for music videos or special episodes because traditional Disney animators are and will be titans if the animating industry but Disney doesn't see or appreciate that because everything needs to be 3D or live action now.
This movie was Disney flexing their animation muscles. Period.
Get this it wasnt necessary Disney it was a studio hired to do it
could of at least had real fur movement like they did in Peter Rabbit.
J C or even like the new CATS movie musical!
@@rainbowocean5075 pff. The Japanese has been doing this shit for years!
@@imtheonehero9305 that is true as well
“Do I need to bust out planet earth to display how colourful earth can be” perfect
I’m over 20 and I relate more to animated characters then real people.
I'm 25 and same
@A. Lu That's because you have both grown up in a world where your interactions with real people have tended to be emoji's and 128 characters or less, at 38 and a recent graduate (I went back to school) Young adults simply do not communicate with each other and the world in the same way my generation did. I once had a fellow student run into the back of me in front of the library, she was on her phone and had ear buds in... I shit you not she looked up expressionless took one step to the left looked back down on her phone kept walking. I could have given her a vacuum and she would have been a perfect human roomba.
Animated content works for younger generations raised on video games and anime because your brain has been strongly conditioned to understand it. Most 40ish or older adults grew up with a much stronger connection to people, and that is why you see such them display a much stronger connection to people, you wanted to play a video game your only option was to sit next to another person, you wanted to talk to them you had to call them, there was no texting. We go into a bar and see 7 people sitting at a table on twitter not talking to each other, and wonder what the fuck they are doing that is special enough to tweet about.
Don't cut yourself on that edge
@@alexanderestrada3117 I'am sorry triggered much? Go pet a puppy eat some soy and learn what edge lord means before making a reference too it...
Hint: It is more closely related to douche guzzlers like yourself trying to sound edgy and cooler than you are
@@beefy1212 LMAO I can literally say the same about live action movies, or any media you enjoy for what matters.
Hell, if I ask my grandmother, she'll throw at your generation, the same kind of generalisation and "hurr durr me better than you" that you're brain farting here.
I can also find 40+ adults, with family and successful jobs who enjoy animation as much as the youngsters do(my parents for example, they are 57 and 60). They don't have the pathetic loser's mentality you seem to have. Interesting.
You're not better, your generation is not better, more human interaction is not better by default and while implementing more tech has its problems, the world is WAY better now than it was in the Floppy Disk era, so STFU and go learn some grammar before attempting the "I'm better than you" argument.
"The Movie lacks a soul."
That THE first thing I said when I saw the movie rolling. Disney sold the soul of the movie for a better image quality.
And the fact many people "liked" this soulless movie kinda proves me right - lots of people are either too dumb to spot real quality, or are soulless themselves...
It's not even better image quality. More realistic =/= better.
You have to remember as well that the people that grew up with these movies now have kids, so as long as the movie is "cute", they don't care about anything else. Even if you bring up the technical reasons why a movie is horrible, they brush it off as "but it was cute though." The average movie-goer/parent just simply don't care about how terrible a movie for kids actually is, thus we keep getting these sub-standard movies. The only time they do care is if it has something "scary" that they deem kids shouldn't watch.
No more Secret of Nimh.
No more The Last Unicorn.
No more Oliver and Company.
No more Alantis.
All we have now are cute and feel good children movies.
@@The_Real_Frisbee I've got an extensive movie collection. And besides: Japanese Anime appears to be unaffected.
Let's hope they don't fall for this as well...
Yet so as i checked on google the 2019 Lion King went to 1.65billion on the box office while the 1994 version nearly reached the 1 billion. Nostalgia tactic worked for disney as it seems but yes This movie lacks of soul :(
It is not as good as the original, of course, but is kinda good..?
This 'hype' of turning a cartoon to realistic felt like the same problem games encounter with so good graphic but crap gameplay.
The thing with games is that they add the experience of the gameplay, so that's a whole other layer. But I understand the comparisson. It's something like Bomberman Zero, where they changed the cute tiny robots into a dark gritty realistic setting. Also the gameplay sucked, but the visuals themselves where such a departure from the original it looks like an unnoficial copy.
I think there are some tho, that do work. Things that could be made darker, or closer to their source material, or just (in my opinion better). For making some closer to their source material/darker the new Jungle Book was great. Personally I think the OG Jungle Book just isnt a very good film, but the 2017 one was great (it actually had a story). The new Beauty and the Beast was better because the characters of the Beast and Belle were much, much better, and that one also worked in live action because it went further into being a musical, with new songs (Evermore is great). The same goes for the new Cinderella. And when it comes to making films darker/closer to their source material, there are 2 films that could be remade in live action 1 being Mulan, which I think is fine not being a musical, I think it works much better that way in live action, with the story and setting itself suiting live action. And then there's the film that I want to see 'remade' but completely different to the original if possible, Hercules. They remake it as is, maybe keep it a musical, or they could make Heracles, and have it be the 'real' story from Greek myth of his 12 labours, it may have to be R rated but thats fine
Agreed! I'd rather play a LONG game with a lot of content but mediocre visuals, than a three-hour eye feast with 2 enemy types.
A cgi movie that goes for realism where the animals talk human. Yeah.
Northern Lights They should have made an anime remake of the Lionking. Why doesn’t Disney make anime movies?
@@crashban4t.f.s.b783 haha nope. Keep the mouse away from anime.
Harits Andhika Nugroho LMAO! We don’t want to see a Starwars:Last Jedi anime remake.
But no balls.
J1z I know and Disney is wrong for claiming that the Lionking is an original film.
The more money Disney makes, the less artistically interesting they become.
big surprise huh.
Just like apple
They've got good modern cartoons though.
@@crfstewarje4597 That they canceled.
You could say the same to most of the biggest corporations today. It's all about the money.
"you cant train a bunch of lions together, although that would be awesome"
A movie called roar: allow me to introduce myself
Disney tends to forget that their whole foundation is based on cartoons, and that they also SET THE TRENDS.
@El Jay As realistic as talking and singing lions.
@El Jay And honestly, the "realism" trend really needs to take a big step back. I'm tired of it.
Like Frozen 2. Discarding the crappy plot and pacing and how in it's entirety the story lacks flow, the animation is boring. If you took out the scenes where Elsa plays with ice/rides glacial horses, there's nothing notable about it's animation. It looked like it was trying to emulate a live action film so much with all the boring shots of characters talking to each other and nothing else happening in the background or with the characters hair or anything. There was some expressions, sure, but overall? It was meh as hell. Even after they let Elsa let her hair down, they didn't even bother making the hair flow or blow around with the wind. Instead it's just there hanging limply like someone used up an entire can of hairspray on it or something.
like, come on. It's an animation for a reason- it's meant to do stuff that you can't do in an live action film. Where's the fun in just trying to emulate real life all the time?
@El Jay for realism try Kimi no Na wa this is ANIMATION
"While adults can't emphathize with animated characters"
Excuse me, I'm almost pushing 30, and I am straight opposite of that.
I'm 40 and I'm the straight opposite of that. Animated characters are the best.
PikaLink91 copied? 🤔
You mean pushing 60...
no waifu no laifu
Only people with no empathy, simply cannot empathize. Age is irrelevant.
OK, so I literally know what this comments section is going to say.. "it wasn't that bad" ,"You're just hating on tiny things that are off and not taking into account [insert excuse]" or its literally going to be pure hate for this movie. I personally am a 3d artist with years of experience in 3d software like blender and Maya and genuinely thought this movie did a pretty good job in the modeling, texturing and animating department. The thing you guys don't realize is that Sam doesn't really "Despise" this movie but its just the fact that paid professionals with years of experience were tasked with the making of this movie and they should just be held to a higher standard. Things like proper color grading, motion blur, and object physics are basic concepts that if done right, can go a long way to making a movie look amazing. In this video essay, all sam is doing is showing the average viewer possible technical reasons why the movie didn't engage with audiences. I feel like he's actually done a wonderful job (though some things I did find overly nit-picky xD) but overall has shown a lot of the technical side that goes into these movies while also taking great examples from other movies and nature (documentaries). So guys, before you form a polarized opinion on the movie, go watch it yourself with an unbiased opinion though do keep Sam's points in mind! This was genuinely a great video essay and I hope to see more of this content!
I can't like this comment enough! The average person thinks animation is easier than it is which is why they don't understand why Sam is calling out professionals on this. Yes, it felt rather nit picky in some places, but he absolutely has a point.
Great. But do you have proof?
actually Warthogs do get on their front knees the way pumbaa does
This should be up higher in the comments...
Pigs / hogs also do that little spin as well.
@Ashlee Broccoli Actually I already know why warthogs would actually do that form of locomotion, I've studied animals and I've seen them do in real life.
8:54 He was criticizing how it a pig would never get down on his knees like that and all I did was simply correct him on one fact. So he didn't really do a lot of research on animal behavior he just went on what he personally knows and your paragraph is the only thing that wasn't really necessary.
and it appears as though a few agree
I love how people assume what the know to be true.
"A pig would never do this" care to maybe cite a source?
" While this is true, real warthogs don't go on their knees for the same reason Pumbaa did, and they don't do it often." - incorrect on both counts
Warthogs do this all the time, this is how they feed. The also do this when they want see under 'n stump.
If you observe a idle warthog for more than about than about 30mins. You are pretty much guaranteed to see them do this
@@broccoli9678 Spent a lot of time observing warthogs do you?
a ) they kneel like that to drink and feed, like constantly
b) I've observed them kneeling like that to 'investigate' curiosities with their snouts and tusks.
I wish Disney would go back to making actual animated movies...
Absolutely
they abandoned 2D because they decided people didn't like it
but it's too late to go back now
all their 2D stuff is gone
Ashlee Broccoli and they fired most of their 2d animators, Disney animators are incredibly valuable, and I doubt they’d leave the jobs they’re in now to go back to Disney after this shitshow
TwilightSky15 - originals too same
The reason they won't is because both the princess and the frog and winnie the pooh failed to make money.
i didnt get attached the characters. the cartoon i cried so hard when musfasa died but live action didnt even care
Crazy Nerd neither did Rafiki. Another unrealistic element shattering suspension of belief
@@Tempusverum any of them really
I laughed my ass off when realistic mufasa died
maybe u r just a sociopath who feels nothing for animals?
@@flightlesslord2688 Fake robotic animals that don't even express as much as a real animal, yeah.
“None of these characters are capable of expressing emotion on their face”. For half a second, I thought it was an Ariana Grande clip review.
I agree and that's what was so amazing about the original Animated version...they captured the human emotions! This one doesn't!
Forget the animation, the realistic Lion King has no testicles.
I thought I was the only person on earth who noticed this.
And it's interesting to reflect upon what it tells us about humanity.
It's really an important point because they hyped the whole thing up as "ultra-realistic". And one of the first things I noticed was supposedly a young male lion with no balls!
Ultra realistic with no balls 🤣
Now imagine all the kids asking their parents where Simba's balls have gone.
people will be like “the animals having human lips will be unrealistic” the animals are talking, they need human lips to talk dont they? Also animals talking english is u n r e a l i s t i c
the animals are talking, they need human lips to talk dont they?
Every parrot : hold my beer.
@@Tyranastrasza
woooosh???
ImpaledBerry nope, doesn’t count as one
i can see this movie working where the dialogue is head nods, moans, and growls
KALSKingdom like i said having animals talk perfect english isnt natural at all. No animal can talk perfect english (even parrots though it is very close) its weird, it seems like the animals are lip syncing but badly. Giving them human lips would be more natural in a way to give them life. And “sometimes” being natural in a remake isn’t good enough if its “sometimes” this movie is going to be good don’t make it at all. Keep the movie that was good all the time.
I didn't cry in lion king 2019 and i still tear up in the original 2D animated version. Go figure.
because you have a bias. I didn't watch the original so loved the 2019 version.
@@mojoejojo6675 My 18 year old cousin whom had never seen the original 1994 version watched the 2019 version first then at my suggestion watched the older version afterwards. He loved the original over this easily. Emotion expression and voice acting were the 2 big things for him.
I cried more at the fact that the Lion King was ripped off of another show from Japan but they still called it their original show. My life is a lie.
I was crying too because they killed my childhood
@@zeri7835 I mean at this point we can go all the way back and point out that this is just the plot of Hamlet...
The "cartoons are for kids stigma" cannot be blamed on American audiences when 90%+ of the content being produced in America is stuff for babies or completely family friendly. Why do you think anime from Japan is popular, they provide content that isn't just made for babies or with rigid family friendly standards.
What about Bojack Horseman, Castlevania, Love Death and Robots, Archer etc.? they are proof animation isn't just a children's medium.
The whole "animation is for kids" stigma needs to end and it's outdated
@@Johnlindsey289 you just "proved" that it's not a children's medium and then claimed the stigma of it being a children's medium needs to end.
Ask yourself this: who is really perpetuating the stigma? Have you considered that maybe you bringing it up all the time is the problem? Nobody who watches Bojack thinks about cartoons being for kids. Only you do.
@@alpha.gamma.dingdong
Just saying they are proof adults can take animation seriously being those examples to Bojack Horseman to Spawn yas to DC animation to Castlevania to even Japanese animation like Ninja Scroll, Akira, Princess Mononoke.
I wish that more people stopped judging animation as a whole to due to trends or outdated standards.
The voice acting sucked. Get actual talented and soulful voice actors instead of hiring stars just because they have big names. Its so tacky and feels off.
This! There are plenty of experienced voiceover actors! Dave Fennoy, Phil Lemarr, Cree Summer, Kyla Pratt, Ashly Burch, Laura Bailey, Travis Willingham, Matt Mercer, Sametria Ewunes to name a few!
I feel bad for James Earl Jones for being in this movie he absolutely butchered through this movie
@@vanillaa_spice460 he's old.
I'm selighted to see france isn't the only country to have so few consideration for REAL voice actors...
But one would say they do this to promote the movie on tv and stuff, as the main characters don't exist.
That's exactly what I keep saying. Give more less well known people more chances instead of just hiring rich people. Its always the same people over and over again and not caring if it's good quality. They keep using people with big names because they hope it's enough to get people to buy in on the movie.., unfortunately that's not how it works.
As long as those remakes make a lot of money don’t expect them to stop
And if you keep complaining about it, I'm going to keep following this until you stop doing it since you don't realize your just giving them more attention and keeping talking about it won't do a damn thing at all since your all just trapped in your own bubble thinking that what you think is what the entire world thinks.
As Bo Burnham says: We’ll stop beating this dead horse when it stops spitting out money.
@@Jogjosmowwdkfs That's true, but sadly nobody is going to listen to us, because as I said, people don't like to be told what to do.
I am excited for the lady and the tramp one though.
i dunno how they make any money based on everything i see and read, everyone hates it, but the "i'm into art" people who somehow thing CGI is the same as cartoons or should be the same, when it shouldnt, it definitely shouldnt ever be the same, nobody wants realistic CGI to replace cartoons
"A pig would never get down on it's wrists like that".
Actually, warthogs do that whenever grazing or drinking, so, yeah, one point goes to this movie (which is still God-damned pointless, regardless. 😒).
That gives the movie a score of -99! Whoo!
Ashlee Broccoli actually warthogs eat meat too. So if a warthog came accross a non decomposed small corpse it would kneel down to examine it and even take a bite out of it. So yes a warthog WOULD kneel down to look at roadkill
On part 3/4.
TBH The funniest thing I found about the whole film is that Zazu, the bird... with a fixed beak and a literal lack of ability to make facial expressions, seemed to me to be one of the most emotive characters around. Why? Because they put a decent amount of effort into the body language of the bird (something utterly lacking in most of the other characters).
Actually warthogs walk on their wrists when they are searching for food
But he's not doing that, so it's kinda still out of wack
Thank you for stating.
I was going to comment this. Warthogs do indeed walk on their wrists sometimes.
@Torrin Nicholson you literally just asked?
"While adults can't empathize with animated characters"
Anime; Let me introduce myself
Most anime is still intended for children, Shounen and Shoujo especially are both aimed at teen audiences. You can still enjoy them as an adult (I know I do) but most western adults will find them a bit unapproachable if they're not already used to anime.
Michael Kenner not really. a lot of anime aimed at older audiences actually air at midnight or later timeslots when kids are asleep
Anime has way too many cliches for me to even enjoy it.
rockstarcrossing no one ever told you to watch every single anime out there. There is plenty extremely mature and original ones.
TV series is filled with too much clichés too if you go that road.
My gf always watch a ton of series and I can always predict exactly what’s going to happen because... well it always does.
Homunculus Hope Yeah, I agree and that’s what I was trying to say. There is always a few golden nugget here and there, but most stories, whatever the support it’s using, always come down to the same codes in the end. So saying "I don’t like this because it’s full of clichés" is a dumb argument as every single story is full of clichés.
Did anyone else really hate the “be prepared” song in the new one? Like there was no umph, you know? It just kinda happened and passed by, and it was so boring to watch.
And they cut the whole Nazi reference that was absolute genius. I was shocked but not really surprised.
Having vats of green goo shooting in the sky would have been silly, though.
@@Simboiss They didn't seem to have a problem doing that horrible "Can't wait to be a king'
@@Simboiss they could have adapted. Replacing it by some sort of geyser or lava things.
All songs sucked. I wouldn’t even have guessed it was Beyoncé singing. They totally butchered one of the best movie soundtracks ever. Why even the lyrical changes? Why bereave “Can You Feel The Love Tonight” of its grandeur and turn it into a Highschool Musical B-cast performance?
This guy's a coppa spy
"Kids like cartoons"
"Adults find it difficult to empathize with animated characters"
The entirety of anime culture would like a word with you sir.
fuck anime culture
KingLich
Something wrong with it? I don’t believe it’s necessary to hate on certain communities, because you wouldn’t want somebody to hate on one you’re in. Though, I don’t want to start an argument, so just live your life how you want. That’s just my opinion.
@@FourFor4 YASSSS!!!!!ANIMMMMMMEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
I can’t explain it but the movie just looks like it’s dry.
There’s no life in it. With hand-drawn art, the artists infuse their soul into their product and the emotions they convey are real. With CGI, it’s a lifeless computer.
Robert Olin no I mean like physically dry
@@dushdjtoedushdjtoe3298 because most of the movie is in dry areas in africa
@@Tempusverum Sometimes even CGI is more expressive and full of life than whatever the hell is the Lion King 2019
That Disney Color Grading 😂 they use in all their Marvel movies
"It looks like when that kid remade toy story with real toys"
this
Disney is remaking movies that nobody asked to be remade
YUP
You know that argument is invalid since someone might've asked for it. Hell, you could say the same for the original since no one asked for that.
I agree. Instead of coming up with new and original ideas, they are busy ruining classics that were far superior to the remakes. Unfortunately Disney is making money from them and won't stop any time soon.
@@DarlyFofa Or you instead stop listening to a**holes who have an ego that makes them think they're superior than the filmmakers and jerking themselves off to anybody who enables them to continue to think like that. And wish they just shut up their big foulmouths because they are so deluded that they don't realize all of what they said is just pointless useless nonsense Just like you.
Guess what? actually they have to, it’s in Walt Disney’s will that every generation a new movie based on a classic has to be made so every gen can enjoy it. Look it up
18:22 "Do I really need to bust out Planet Earth"
Yes, please do... All BBC series since Planet Earth had beautiful colors.
Despite the early bad reviews,I still decided to give it a chance,remembering what a good job Jon Favreau did with the live-action Jungle Book. What I failed to realize was that movie had a human protagonist,with whom the audience can relate....as opposed to an entire cast of CGI animals rendered so realistically,they lack the ability to facially emote.
People were distracted with the human character the flaws in the Lion King were in the Jungle Book which is also bland.
Dragon wars and Golden compass had far better animation.
and that is what killed the movie, it's not supposed to be real, i dunno why Disney is doing this, are they so out of ideas they are just going back from 1935 on and gonna re render everything in perfect CGI? that would be the dumbest thing ever OR is it us old people who dislike this and the new kids who dunno any better love it and were just the old folks yelling "get off my lawn!" now :(
They shouldn't have messed with the classic. That was a huge mistake.
Erica Diaz yeah, Just like they did with child play. I hate The remake.
Unfortunately, Boxoffice earnings says otherwise..
$1.65 BILLION box office. I don't think they see it as a mistake.
@@eltorpedo67 I don't know where people jump to these stupid conclusions
It should of been called The Beige King.
NOT WRONG! Considering, EVEN ME STARTING OUT IN DIGITAL PAINTING, Neutral colors are FOUNDATION COLORS, NOT DOMINANT COLOR! I know full damn well to use saturation to the fullest extent. As honestly life is colorful, cartoon's exaggerate it, cinema is duller to match darker feelings. If I wanted to see this level of bullshit, go to a desert with a lack of canyons and mesas. Flat, MUTED YELLOWS, MUTED ORANGES, and light greens where vegetation has dried up. It's boring, uninteresting, but atleast in real life it has atmosphere.
Also, coming from someone who has only ever seen it in documentaries...
Africa is not. That. Beige.
It should be called The Lying King
Ironically, my modded copy of Fallout 4 is probably more colorful and that game is DESIGNED to be bleak and dystopian!
"All three of these films so far have scored lower than any of Disney's Star Wars movies"
It seems that this quote has not aged well.
"ignoring the fact that a pig would never get down on its wrists like that"... uhhhh that's how warthogs drink water my dude.
And forage... Im from South-Africa, they do that here every day.
@@Griffen66 I know, it's hard to listen at how confident he sounds when he has absolutely no clue.
Yeah this made no sense to me, seems like disney animators did more research then this guy - making it hard to take him seriously.
T h E r E i S n O w A t E r
well, it looks more like warthogs use their forearms to lean down. But yeah you're right
"adults can't empathize with animated characters"
i cried at the ending of toy story 4....
I cry at the ending of"Toy Story 3"but still...same point.
Cough Cough, My Little Pony
I cried at A Silent Voice, which should've earned an Oscar.
@@littleoreo7717 Such s good movie. I wish there was a sequel or something :/
"Mindlessly watching whatever is set in front of them"
Wow, didn't expect to be personally attacked in this video.
8:53 I just want to point out that warthogs do actually kneel down on their knees whenever they need to get closer to the ground.
However, with that being said, I do agree with some of your other points, such as Simba not seeming to 'weigh enough' whenever he moves.
Even my kitten has more expression than young Simba. When she's scared her eyes widen and dilate, her ears perk back, her whiskers creep forward, her hackles raise up, her feet spread alittle, her fur poofs alittle, and don't get me started with her changes in movement. Lots of little things amount to alot. Maybe those animators did not have pets? Maybe their animation supervisor was too linient and said that stiffness in expression is fine?
Exactly! You can compare how Simba runs between the stampede scene and, say, the Hakuna Matata song, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, whereas the way a cat runs when scared compared to when it's playing around are different. The stampede scene really bugged me because of it. At least the original had exaggerated facial expressions to sell the emotion.
it's been three months when's the Alvin deep dive gonna be up
Actually it’s 6 live-action Disney remakes in 2019. There’s also the live-action Kim Possible.
I could have gone this far without being reminded of that....
That’s not considered part of the official canon though
We don't talk about the live-action Kim Possible
And to be REALLY technical, there's only 4, as the Maleficent sequel is a sequel to a remake, not a remake in and of itself.
ajzeg01 wait WHAT THERES A LIVE ACTION REMAKE WTF
This movie is waay too like sharp and like square, also if you wanna see a lion animated to perfection go watch the chronicles of narnia
They usually animate animals just fine so.... just what went wrong this time?
@@kittenmimi5326 they hate their og movies and do the remakes for money without passion
@@kittenmimi5326 Aslan in Narnia has a motion capture face...
Pigs can get on their ‘wrists’ like that, my pig does it all the time if she’s trying to reach something underneath something
Disney only knows how to animate animals like they're all dogs
Well, most of them are good bois, so I kind of understand...
you know MPC animated it, not Disney?
It's a very whitewashy western feel as there dogs are far more loved by people than any other animal and if the animation has a dog like personality he suddenly becomes adorable.
@@erick_ac disney is made of furries
trope.all_animals_are_dogs
Tl:Dr: The entire movie sits in an awkward middle-ground for every subject.
When I saw this remake all I could think of is “look how they massacred my boy”
*cue Godfather theme*
This is the one thing I can't stand about my family is I can see through the movie and what the problems are. But my family doesn't see that. They are too busy looking at the CGI or their phones to even notice the dialogue, characters, and story. My sister keeps telling me that I'm always so negative about movies so I tell her well it's not my fault that the movie is so shit and I can see what they really are.(note: my family loves Michael Bay films)
Eddie Strange that reminds me of my family, they always say I’m negative about things because certain movies just aren’t good but they don’t realize that.
the dialog characters and story are all the same as the first movie which everyone loves.
whats the point of lying when everyone sees y'all doing it? Just to tarnish your spirit with some guilt?
hey whatever
Simba Lion hey... what?
god... not the Bays...
Ugh!It's bloody irritating!
Fun Fact: in some countries Lion King was More successful then Avengers Endgame.
Andreas Knab However, Avengers Endgame is better than The Lion King remake.
Was Belgium one of those countries? They strike me as the type.
It deserves to be
The new Lion King looks like I watched a documentary of Lions with music playing behind it.
documentaries are far better!
8:53 Actually, warthogs will often kneel on their front legs in order to graze on foliage.
Their legs are a LOT longer than other species of pig, primarily to allow them to run up to extremely high speeds to outmaneuver predators (they can run up to 40 mph, or approx. 100 kph, I believe). However, these legs happen to be too long for them to be able to properly graze. So, as to circumvent this, they kneel. It's actually really funny to watch.
Even though I hate Disney with my guts, I can at least still begrudgingly acknowledge it for its accuracy in this not widely known fact.
"While adults can't empathize with animated characters"
They can make u do more than simply emphasize with them! they sometimes have more humanity than the humans themselves thanks to the artists that spend countless hours designing them.
"We don't care that the Lion King (2019) characters are all soulless emotionless inferior versions of the original. We still got your money!"
-- Disney
I'm glad i didn't Disney my money
I’m glad that I’m quitting Disney.
I do support Disney for creative things like Wreck it Ralph and Zootopia but not halfassed carbon copy live action rip-off remakes of classics like Lion King and Beauty and Beast
Hmm, no, no they didn't.
Can you blame them? If something succeeds, why prevent it?
When is disney going to make a animated movie in the real disney style like they used to? Im so tired of live action and 3d animated movies. I want to see some real art again...hand drawn cells not computer animation... :(
Well, it's not Disney, but have you seen Klaus? Its 2D art is gorgeous
I understand what you mean, though all of it's *real art*
@@oludaebyrd4801 to me there is a difference. I do some web design work and have made simple animations, characters like you would see on flash animations or modern cartoon production(computer based) moving a model around on a computer is not that hard(making it look good can be duh) but its a completely different skillset than cell animation and hand drawing 12 or even 24 frames a second in some animation masterpieces. The biggest difference most of the time if the computer stuff will always look a bit too 'perfect' and thus it tends to lack flow, character and impact of something done by hand drawn art...thas why i consider one to be more of an art form and the other to be more of a process/product/job
@@oludaebyrd4801 You can even see this in other forms of animation...Take south park as an example, It had far more charm and artistic appeal when the animations were made from construction paper. They have now switched to digital for numerous advantages to production and in general it looks very sharp and well produced...but it lacks the artistic creativity it once had.
Cory R I completely understand it’s much different. Some people (not you) think you can just talk to the computer and it draws for you LOL!
I haven't even seen the whole movie, and I already know that my cat has more emotion in her left eyebrow than this entire movie has in its runtime. As an aspiring animator, a cat lover, and someone with a history of taking my beanie baby kittens outside in the morning, standing on a chair, holding them over my head and screaming in awful Swahili as the sun rose when I was a child, this movie successfully shattered my hopes like a metal bat to all three of my kneecaps.
“Nant’s Ingonyama” is Zulu, my precious friend.
@@aericabison23 really? Shit. I've been thinking the wrong one for years.