@@minecraftkid50978 As a kid I thought animators made enough money to buy a mcmansion and a supercar. I was shocked to learn some of them get paid near minimum wage and work 12-16 hours!
@@minecraftkid50978 That needs to be changed. That's exactly what we are talking about here. Accepting this kind of treatment as a norm will make things even worse.
@@3nertia Because we have created this culture of giving most of the credit to the actors. The actor is just another artist working in a team of thousands of artists. Most animators and visual effect artists work 10 times as hard as the actor. Yes, the famous actor brings the audience to the theatres, but that doesn't mean that he/she should be overpaid while the post-production team is getting paid minimum wages. Sometimes those actors don't even bring the audience but still get paid in millions. What I'm saying is that all the artists should get respect, credit and a salary that they deserve.
Good to mention animators are generally the worst treated on a production team. They get paid less and typically have no benefits. They are not invited to parties or social events in most studios. You have to work overtime without being paid. I want animators to be treated better. They make the magic happened.
Hell yes indeed! Everyone ought to be treated on the same level and given recognition now and then. Otherwise, they may get up and abandon you (company). I imagine the work environment/culture is anti-socialist.
Animators are basically actors in their own right, as they create and control the movements of characters to convey emotions in the story. As such they should be paid just as much as the actors.
I wanted to be an animator for Disney movies growing up, thought it was a dream-killer when animation turned to computer graphics but I've realized over the years that being a Disney animator was one of the most stressful, taxing, and financially unfulfilling things you could do in that industry so probably dodged a bullet in the long run.
"the worst treated on a production team" What the heck ?! Where are you working ? What is the name of your studio where animators are not invited to parties and social events ? Working in the industry for ten years now, and i never seen any animator being treated like that. And directors and story boarders beside, they mostly do have the best salary.
The cartoons we made, weren't for children ~ Mel Blanc. They used to play that clip on USA/TBS/TNT when they showed looney tunes in the evenings back in the 90's, I think.
I have a good 15 anime/cartoons I could show people that are most definitely not for kids. I dare someone to have their small children watch Psycho Pass, even just the first episode is very intense.
Western animation has somewhat created it's own tropes. Disney, Warner Brothers and Pixar have always heavily relied on selling kid's toys, meaning that their movies would have to be "kid-friendly". Disney in particular tried to push that trope to it's limits. No matter how mature the actual topic of an animated movie from these companies, their creations were always going to be associated with "kid-stuff". That is, of course, incredibly unfair to the vast amount of very mature animated movies. In Japan, animation is not considered childish in the slightest. So in comes dreamworks, literally adapting the biblical tale of the exodus, an incredibly bloody and dark tale of betrayal, tyranny, and loss of innocent lives. Sure is "immature" what with all them movin' pictures.
Considering some of the animated shows I've watched, such as Overlord and Devilman Crybaby(which I didnt actually enjoy but helps prove my point) that shit is definitely not kid friendly but definitely could never be achieved in live action. I mean, I get so sucked into these shows that I still have visible, physical reactions to some things that I see, but the same thing i look at in live action I have no reaction to, because it seems too fake. The blend of the fake and the real helps to announce the fake, but having everything not real, somehow makes you forget that none of it is real. Which makes no sense but I know you understand what I mean.
@@RedFloyd469 What about Bojack Horseman, Ninja Scroll, Dark Knight Returns, Archer, Love Death and Robots, Castlevania, Akira, Princess Mononoke etc.?
@@ManubibiWalsh thats an opinion,not a fact. but I agree bojack is sometimes better than rick and morty but rick and morty has its own thing and they shouldn't be compared with eachother.
The oscars are not to be taken seriously to begin with. I don't know why everybody thinks being nominated for one of those worthless statues is somehow meaningful when there is literally a concept called 'oscar-bait'.
I think animated movies can win best movie aswell. The best animated movie award is basically just extra tribute to them. They have different challenges they deserve an own award aswell
Honestly, animation should have its own Oscars-esque ceremony (I know I'd watch it), with pretty much the same categories as the Oscars. That way, all sorts of animated films could be recognized.
Disney isn't planning any new 2D movies, any time soon 😢 but luckily there are so many smaller studios making beautiful animations. Cartoon saloon is one of my favorites!
@@blackbacon08 I do have to agree, they can be be pretty funny. Then again I don't have cable I use streaming services and YT, but I also don't use twitter or Facebook, I'm asocial so I don't see the same commercials all the time.
This is so true. People in animation should get more credit than they already get now. I hate the stigma of animation only for kids. It's limitless what we can do with animation.
It's a tiresome argument alright. But it's probably never going to disappear from entitled moviegoers, that won't bother the process animation goes through.
MissJazzDaFunk It’s kind of a hilarious, ironic stigma considering how many talented people have to bust their butts to get the final product out. You’re telling me that a difficult, expensive, ambitious, artistic, and creative labor of love is just for kids just because it’s not live-action?
Yeah, it's also very disrespectful to to all the people behind these films, especially when they put so much hard worl and effort into making it. These adults put their heart and soul into their work, and their lives are on the line with each project. When their fellow adults say "animation's just for kids", it's like these people's work stations are being torn apart, all their tools violently tossed off the edge as they're talked down to like children. Picture the dress-ripping scene from the Disney's original animated Cinderella film, but with everyday working men and women.
The animation category in awards exists because the film industry was so angry and insulted that an animated film did a better job than the "real movies"
And still major awards only care about Disney, Pixar films. Yeah fuck Perfect Blue, A silent voice, Paprika, Girl who leaps through time, Summer wars, Paranoia Agent etc. LET'S NOMINATE BOSS BABY!
Even if animation was taken more seriously (Which let's face, it is coming but not at Japan's level yet.) American animation will still overtake major awards over foreign animation. Just as American live action over takes foreign live action nearly every time. There's a reason there is a best "Foreign film" category. Also Hollywood movies are simply too popular around the world for there to be a reason for them not to be included.
@@mill2712 and yet more and more American movies rely on overseas box-office money to make a profit when their domestic gross is less than the production cost.
I think that's why I'm so frustrated with Lion King 2019. I'm an artists myself, and i remember having the original VHS tape and seeing the behind the scenes stuff where the artists would sit in a room with REAL LIONS to practice drawing them with the Disney style. I appreciate the HELL out of that! Whoever is in charge rn really needs to bring back 2D movies because nobody can do color like Renaissance Disney did
@@bartoldo5898 you shouldn't choose between 2D and CGI because you don't wanna do as much work. You should choose based on which one benefits your story more. And both still require hard work because CGI still require you to know what programs to use to make sure your 3D models don't look like something from the uncanny valley. I don't hate CGI animation. Pixars Toy Story was a breakthrough for animation as the first fully CGI animated film. But they used CGI because that's what worked for the story. The textures looked like plastic, but because it's about toys, it works. Meanwhile you have films like Dreamworks The Prince of Egypt that has a 2D style, but it lives up to the grandiose story that it tells. Even Disney's own Treasure Planet was able to mix the two together. And each of these movies have one thing in common-- they hold up. They don't feel dated (with the exception of the humans in toy story lol). These remakes sadly won't be able to live up to their animated source material. But that's not because the animation isn't good. It's because the love and care isn't the same
@@randominternetgirl1798 well that could be true. Btw there are still film made with that kind of effort and passion. The stop motion films. I'd say that the effort put in them is even more but I can't because I don't really know and I have never experienced doing that.
@@bartoldo5898 oh yeah for sure. I think it takes them one day of work to create one to three seconds of film. But they get to create their own world still. The live action remakes are just trying to make the animated scenes anew with humans/photo realistic characters
Long story short: Reality is often disappointing, but animation, that puts a smile on my face. Edit: I wish I knew more than five people irl that would have liked this
I remember being a kid, watching the directors' commentary on the Incredibles DVD and hearing Brad Bird bemoan how animation was underappreciated. And that was back in 2004.
Man, I remember being a kid back in 2004/2005, watching these commentaries, and I remember some animator or worker (probably Bird) talking how the artists took a whole month just to animate a scene where Bob puts his hand into his ripped blue uniform
Animation has been underappreciated since the 1930's, when Walt Disney failed to win an Oscar for "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves". He was denied an Oscar, because of the artform he used to tell his story.
I think 2D animation is the most under appreciated. Disney and other companies completely ditched it in favor of 3D (as it's cheaper and "faster" depending on how detailed). I love anime but I really miss the classic animation like the Iron Giant or the Road to El Dorado. I should just be happy that people are still doing stop motion though; I've been hard pressed to find a stop motion I didn't like
@Nes Ally Well also must of the animator in japan are also underpaid which explain why many japenese left after 3 years even if they like their job. I do like many anime but I can understand why they are moving into 2d CGI.
Just rewatched The Secret of NIMH this week. Something I hadn't really noticed before was how much personality and detail that was put into every scene.
Hand-drawn frame by frame animation is indeed hard and very time consuming, but seeing your own drawings and characters come to life, is all the reward I need! - An aspiring animator
I love how you can stop the hand-drawn disney movies at any minute and you know how the characters feel because of their facial expression. When you stop the new lion king at any minute you got an animal documentation in HDR-Rendering.
I want to be an animator when i grow up. I told my friend and she said “Why? Animated movies? Why not a movie actor?” I hated that. I grew up watching nothing but the lion kng. MY QUOTE ON MY YEARBOOK IS “yes, the past can hurt. But the way i see it, you can either run from it, or, learn from it.
SketchyBish You are such an inspiration and i also aspire to become an animator. Let’s hope in the future we’ll get more recognition for the work that’s done
Ironically enough, we have shows like Family Guy, Squidbillies, American Dad, Bob's Burgers, and even the newly made Season 3 of Young Justice. Yep, definitely made for kids, right? Lmao, I hate ignorant people, still stuck with that stupid 80's mentality.
People calling the Lion King remake "live action" got me peeved. The animators deserve more credit than that because animating a cartoony CGI film is not nearly as difficult as animating a photorealistic CGI film.
KEN You may have misunderstood "cartoony" as me saying 2D animation. I was solely talking about 3D animation and find that realism is the hardest to perfect in the realm of 3D animation because you have to take into account every crease and fur particle under even the slightest movement.
I can't even bring myself to call it live action, and it irks me when other people do. I call it *"The Lion King remake"* I mean, did they bring _actual_ tamed lions and meerkats and warthogs and baboons and hornbills onto a set and have an animal handler record _real_ animal actors moving around in front of a camera?
The only Live Action Lion King is the musical which despite the limits of reality is GORGEOUS. I know show tickets are more expensive especially good seats but if you can see it at least once DO IT (btw get an aisle seat, trust me!). How Disney made that 20 year old beautiful juggernaut emulate the film so well yet also made this drab mess is irritating.
@@ChaosRayZero Well possibly if you have the animal walk infront of the screen then blend it with a 3D lion yeah you can use a mixture of both and 3D scanners is definately a choice
As someone who aspires to work in the animation industry, I really appreciate this video. So many people overlook animation and it seems our entire society (at least in america) tries to convince us that animation is only for kids. People forget that animation is an ART FORM. It is beyond the confines of one specific age group, or medium. For my whole life, I could never get the same amount of immersion from a live action movie as I could from an animated movie. As you said here- there is something stunningly human about animation. Something that connects with us in ways that live action never can. I can only hope that the attitude towards animation changes over the years! I would love to see a change where animation is made for everyone again, how it was originally intended.
Someone did said "I've always appreciated animation more. I wish that more people stopped judging animation as a whole to due to trends or outdated standards."
Honestly, I only genuinely liked 2 live-action shows, those 2 are ALF(Paul Fusco is a good person), & That 70s Show. Animated stuff is just far more appealing to me because there's just so much you can do compared to live-action!
Man! You said it! I find it immensely disappointing that this medium is still not taken seriously despite all the hard work put to changing that! I pray that in the future, animation would be seen as an endless way of bringing stories to life and not something that is strictly for kids, and another thing those people who judge others for something that is “not real” shouldn’t be allowed to talk to others since they put people who likes things that “aren’t real” beneath them. They honestly more childish than the medium they are claiming to be so. I’ve always loved animation, and I’ve always dreamt that if I have the power or money to make animated movies, I would consistently make animated movies that would change the landscape people have on animation, but sadly I don’t, but I am optimistic that it might change, eventually at least...
@@Johnlindsey289 Yeah exactly, but if I’m going to be brutally honest with you... ( even though you might have already) you can’t really blame the general public for thinking that animation is for kids, as most of media that involves animation are geared more towards kids. Not to mention a lot of animated movies aren’t very good, hell now it’s getting more and more rare to come by good animated movies. Hell even Disney is not putting out films unless it gains them money. Which in turn effects the quality of most of their movies nowadays. It also doesn’t help that animated movies that are average at best. Like Illumination movies, are making more money than really good ones. So unless the industry stop treating animation the same way an average person would also treat it and start helping grow like it should, we would not stop seeing this art form get treated like this...
I heard some people demean Spiderverse by calling it just a cartoon, yet they enjoyed it. They said "Into the Spider-verse was good for a cartoon" Why can't they not have just enjoyed it??
I don't understand people at all sometimes. People just see animation and say it's "immature" cause its supposedly just for kids when that clearly ain't the truth. ESPECIALLY in A Silent Voice. That movie is incredibly mature, one of the most mature animated movies I've ever seen. Period. And now.....the studio that brought us that movie has been destroyed by arson, and 34 are dead. :( #PrayforKyoAni
@@onepeace9632 Sadly that wont help either. Dark story with blood and political conspiracy doesnt equate mature to the sceptics. Dont get me wrong I think AoT is neato but it wont make them realize how much merit animation posseses. And neither will other animations with dark story and blood.
John Smith that is literally my favorite movie the visuals story telling everything it's so beautiful and makes me really feel and understand the characters
I will share this masterpiece of a video wherever I can because this is so incredibly well done at showing why animation is not just for children or childish. Amazing work man.
JaxBlade Same here. My family thinks that animation is nothing more than a kids toy. I try to tell them that that can’t be further than the truth, but because it’s three against one (my dad doesn’t care, thanks Dad) and majority rules, I’m not taken seriously.
@Tom Ffrench I guess they don't know there is a thing called Cartoon Nudity,and if animation is limitless,then everything bad and good can be exaggerated, If you know what I mean,everything that is considered adult can be easily depicted as cartoon.And that does not make it kid friendly
Animation is limitless, and everyone needs to stop thinking its constrained to children stories, also we need to stop thinking kids media as inherently a bad thing
@marianne mccrank indeed! Tbh, everytime someone uses the phrase "kids stuff/content" as an insult I feel is more like an insult for kids? Like why the hate on children all of the sudden
@@sunspotmill1291 What do you mean it's not a kids show? And btw another good example would be Avatar the last Airbender, I really loved the story telling when I was younger
I think it's the stigma that "cartoons are for kids" that turns some people off from animation. Which is incredibly sad because animation truly is limitless
Professional Animator here ✋🏼 just felt like saying „thank you“ for this little love letter to the craft I love, and helping spread the appreciation for this incredible artform and the crazy people who get into this totally under appreciated and incredibly difficult profession. Truly, thank you ♥️
I pretty much only watch the MCU movies in terms of live action, people think I'm wierd for that, but holy shit if the justice league animated movies aren't a million times better than the live action one.
@@darkfyraproductions7958 Under the red hood and Year one were fire :D Also got no idea how green lantern could fail as a movie when they could have just done First Flight.
I've never been as drawn to live actions as I have to animations. It's definitely an unpopular opinion to have my favorite movie spots filled up by animated films. Animation is my guilty pleasure. Can't help it.
RyanHardt *insert celebrity name here* has spoken out against Trump. They’re just celebrities and people take their political beliefs seriously when they don’t explain a thing and repeat the same mimicked garbage over and over again. And the media applauds it so the viewers follow suit with the agenda. But when someone voices the “unpopular opinion” (there are popular opinions that are just politically incorrect and shameful to the dumb masses), they are ostracized when they actually do the Brave thing of standing against the trends. What the OP was saying was that we give way too much validity to the celebrities and call them Brave for something that is not difficult to say because it’s expected to be said. Even if you’re against trump, you shouldn’t take or give validity to a celebrity who pulling statements out of their asses without debating contrasting opinions. Celebrities say stuff outside of their realm of expertise and then not even debate or back up their points. It’s a form of pandering and I’m sure you’ve seen it.
Inxanity But what he’s saying has nothing to do with what the comment said. What does the god tier that celebrities are given have to do with Hollywood movies not having soul?
RyanHardt Well, I get what you’re saying as well. It’s a bit of a tangent, but it still has to do with the Western culture. I might even compare all this despise for true art to the increasing degeneracy of the liberal West. Even though animation is amazing, we disrespect it. All the respect goes to the undeserving live action acting. As a result, we worship the faces, or the actors, when they played only a part of the entire creative process. If we gave the deserved respect to animation, we’d give the the animators and creators most of the credit because they’ve done most of the work. However, in movies, the layman will only give credit to the actors, but not the directors, musicians, and creators. There is a connection between all these things we talk about. Actors are worshipped because live action movies are overhyped. Live action movies are overrated because animation is disrespected. Animation is disrespected because society is degeneracy right now. Society is degeneracy because... I don’t wanna explain that. Let’s just say we give ourselves too much liberty so we forgot what really got us here and what is really important in life. Taking that idea, it makes sense why the west is admiring actors (who are just people like everyone else and Keanu Reeves is an example of the good actor who doesn’t get power hungry) and not admiring animation (making ugly art [unlike Japan] or making the good Western art seem childish when it is a form that anyone should enjoy in respecting the countless months/years of effort behind it). Non-Japanese animation can be good, but if it’s not Disney/Pixar, the art style isn’t going to be beautiful. Look at the Anime that gets so much respect. There is so much beauty in the art and they can make ugly art but beauty is the goal. At the same time, Japanese don’t idolize celebrities like Westerners do to the Kardashians or the royal family or the A list celebrities or the online personalities. That stuff that we do is disgusting. But in Japan, even subways have Anime in their advertisements. The respect for their hardworking artists is, well, respectable.
It's a matter of demand. If there was only one guy who could draw in the Disney style, you can bet your bottom dollar he'd be better paid than the top five actors combined.
@@nestoons4539 In my experience though , there is no shortage of voice actor but currently people don't apply for animator ( In Japan at least ) because harsh working condition and low payment . People start to shift to 3D/2D hybrid art to save money and time....
kampfer91 I meant that a voice actor has a distinct voice that usually can’t be replaced, but with an animator there is almost always someone else who can draw and animate nearly identically.
@@nestoons4539 The same goes for the animator , during the animation process there is the lead animator who responsible for the art , it is his / her work that determine how the show looks like and if the art looks good enough it will be a hit , you can't really copy 100 % , we do something called tracing from the outline he/she draw . Voice actors may have unique voice but the thing is there are many of them available for the job , like so many unlike animator job which only a few people actually attend college just to learn how to do animation . Voice actor usually hired near the end , they contribute like 10 % of the work while the animator did the majority of the show and if the lead animator take a sick leave they gonna delay it . I am not gonna deny voice actor important work of making personality out of a char but when theirs payment is like 10X more than animators , only few want to be the animator in Japan....
Animation is SO HARD. People take a look at it and think “Pffft, that mustn’t be THAT hard.” I spend hours on my trashy animation just to make it look good, I rarely even finish it. People who animate deserve to be praised as g o d s -
I used to HELLA under appreciate animation. Then I started FlipaClip, thinking “eh, how hard can it be?” and spent the next month on a crappy Mapleshade AMV Animation’s hard my dudes
I'm currently learning it and yes, it does take hours to produce a fraction of second even though I'm not working with any living things yet (just the basic shapes, some bouncing balls and things like falling leaves). Imagine doing it with a set of main characters and a crowd in the background, and the background itself with blowing winds and perhaps hundreds of falling leaves... It's daunting.
It's funny because ADULTS create KID'S movies. I work at Mercury Filmworks (A Disney studio that makes Tangled and Lion Guard), and the amount of work that goes into any animated product is RIDICULOUS. It makes me more fully appreciate every piece of animation I have ever seen.
oh my gosh! When I read you worked at Mercury Filmworks I was soo happy! I love their shows (especially how they're so beautifully animated) and aspire to work there one day. How's your experience there, if I may ask?
Hey man I just wanna say as an animator myself who is studying at university; I cant say thanks enough for telling people about the magic of animation. I really feel like your talking to me when you were explaining the effort that goes into the process of making these images move, I know it all too well! There are big things on the horizon for animation, and I believe as dissatisfaction for live action remakes grows, the demand for a return to animation will grow too. EDIT: Stumbled back on this video and saw my comment haha. I'm working in the animation industry now. I worked on Adult Swims 'Smiling Friends' and now I'm working on a new adult comedy that is yet to be announced. To say that the actual process of making animation is a challenge is beyond an understatement. And although people have this idea of a collaborative and wonderful art culture; in reality it's one of the hardest jobs you can imagine. I do not hesitate to say that this industry eats you alive and that those that can make it through into permanent employment are some of the toughest people I've ever met. The psychological aspect of pushing through the utter barbarity of this industry alone is immense. Crunches last weeks, people are underpaid, schedules are insane, and artists who stumble and fall can sometimes loose their jobs forever. Animation is beautiful, and I love it with all my heart, but if a little kid said that they wanted to be one like me... I honestly couldn't encourage them to pursue it.
I was going to say the same thing, as an animator you see some people not taking your job seriously or people saying is only for kids, and I absolutely hate this mindset.
This video is fantastic. Adults limit animation to being just for children, and it’s not at all fair to the animators, voice actors, and screenwriters. Animation is limited only to your imagination, and not many people can appreciate that.
Only speaking by experience, it mostly teenagers and young adults who are trying to proves that that they are adults who say animation is for kids. Then, around the age of 25-30 nowadays, they realize being adults dont mean having an adult body or doing adult things, but being mature and sage of mind, and being able to take your responsibilities firmly with your hands.
the missing link Yeah. I was talking with a college professor not long ago and she was comparing her class to a kindergarten. “I have to track attendance now, i din’t have to do that 10 years ago” she told me. We dont transmit true values and discipline to our kids anymore and they grow into entitled kings-child.
@@mlheureux2663 Only speaking from my own experience, I have several middle-aged and elderly friends and family who refuse to even watch animated movies because "it's a cartoon." One of which absolutely adored the live action Beauty and the Beast. I asked her if she'd seen the original and she didn't even want to try it. Another one, after coming along to the theater more than once just because the rest of the family was going, she admitted that she loved Home and The Croods "despite the fact that they're a cartoons."
You'd think that with the existence of shows such as Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, and especially South Park... that they would get the hint about your statement.
The power of animation is that it makes it look dreamlike, a fairytale land without limits. The real life version makes the world feel limited because we know and understand that world a lot better. A villain can look crazy and creepy but still good designed in the animation but in real life the design is limited because it is not appealing to have a cartoonish villain in a real life movie.
As someone studying animation: THANK YOU!! Live action, 2D animation, 3D animation... They are not 'upgrades' of each other... They are entirely different Art forms within themselves! They have their own strengths and weaknesses. Like any tool, it's what people make of it that decides the quality.
I had the same reaction after people told me Far From Home was the best Spider man movie. I ask them about Spider-Verse and they say it doesn’t count because it’s animated. Weak sauce. Far From Home was good, but it ain’t on Spider Verse’s level.
literally same! i told my friends that spider-verse is my favorite superhero movie of all time and they pointed and laughed and made fun of me. because it's animated it doesn't count? the fact it's animated makes it 10x more creative, energetic and comic-y than 99% of live action superhero movies!
So would I, but alas, I doubt that will happen any time in the near future. CG animation costs infinitely less time and money to produce than other forms of animation, and because the big film studios have almost complete control over what films get made, it's the only form of animation that they're willing to release to the big screen.
Let’s talk about claymation and live action for a moment. We are gonna compare a simple action: a character flipping into a scene. Live action: the actor or stunt double is put into harnesses in front of a blue/green screen. Director calls action, and the harness moves with them as they do the flip. Done in an hour, at the least. Claymation: each frame is one picture, and each picture is taken after each adjustment of the “puppet”. If they want the facial expression to change at any point, they have to replace the head or sometimes the whole “puppet” to get the one with the different facial expression. They use thin wires to hold it up so it won’t show in the picture. Someone, somewhere, is painting up the background that will be shown on the green screen. To get a split second shot, it probably takes the whole day, not including the animation of the background. So, yes, animation is underrated.
I asked my mom to watch Coraline with me. At the beginning she was all like "Isn't this for 5 year olds?" And then in the middle of the movie she was very scared and my sister and I just enjoyed watching it. In the end, she said "Why can't you just watch normal things for once?" She doesn't even realise how much time and effort people spent on these stop-motion films and yet she calls it strange and weird.
Shæms “why can’t you watch normal things?” was my moms reaction as well haha! But when I mentioned the animation she said “that’s what makes it creepier, I thought I was one of the little puppets on the set being moved around” so I guess in a way she still appreciated the eerie and wistful way they animated the clay puppets and sets
Yeah, and nobody will get hurt in the process. I mean, there could be accidents and with real actors it's always a little bit dangerous to get those action scenes.
@alexander shawn I still love live action, I’m just mad animation is so under-appreciated in comparison even though for most animations there’s a lot more work out into it
I would go if I had a family started and did not suffer from capitalism's blight on job seeking when younger. Not just Disney, but other companies and independents alike.
They tried to bring 2D back with the Princess and the Frog. Not a lot of people went to watch it and it didn't bring in athe big bucks. Disney only seems to care about money, and easy money at that. I think that's why we won't ever be seeing a return to Animation on the big screen.
UltimateGeek No they won’t. They went back to 2D for like 3 movies, and they flopped at the box office. That may be because the movies weren’t that great, or maybe their advertising sucked, but Disney cares about numbers more than anything. Those 3 numbers failed, and they haven’t gone back to 2D since.
Tbh Princess and the frog is actually favourite Disney movie. I'm really disappointed that the Disney 2D animation doesn't exist anymore and I feel like as the years have gone on Disney has been loosing it's spirit 😔 I agree with you that we desperately need a miracle bc these live action films aren't enough 😢
Hirohiko Araki (author of JoJo) wrote in his book that when he draws there has to be a balance between realism and symbolism. Draw the most important object with more detail but tone it down for the non important things. It's another concept that's exclusive to animation and drawings, because that balance is lost when you go live action. If you slap everything with realism like in the Lion King you get animals that just seem off and even nightmare fuel like Pumba.
I giggled when reading this comment because it reminds me of one of my friends who constantly uses this book as an example or to explain narration to others, so I instantly imagined him talking and randomly taking the book out of his bag to explain to us the teachings of Araki
I cringe every time I hear the words "animation is just for kids" for many reasons but mostly because I understand how much work has to go into every frame of the film. I also know that some of the best scenes in cinematic history are from animated films. The first film ever to make me understand how movies could make you feel sympathy for the characters was in fact Pixar's up. I was very young when I first watched it. Before that I had only watched mostly funny films that I would laugh at. Up changed how I saw movies forever and although other films both live action and animated have also given me experience's like it up has always remined an important lesson for me about why animation is so important.
@@darkfyraproductions7958 At least video games have lost much of that stigma recently - very mature games dominate the best-seller lists and gaming is quickly becoming mainstream, whereas with animation...
Anime? Dude, several shows have made me cry. I swear to GOD if someone even attempts to tell me "Anime is just Asian cartoons and cartoons are for kids" I will force them to watch Devilman: Crybaby or, even better, Banana Fish. (Banana Fish is 100% R rated, would not recommend for immature viewers.)
I always wondered why animated movies and tv shows made me feel more emotion than live action. Animation somehow brings out the inner feelings of a person that can be difficult to portray, ironically, with actual people.
@@Johnlindsey289 I think that puppetry has the same effect. Maybe this is because they can mimic animation by being manipulated in doing whatever emotion needs to be expressed.
I remember back when Beauty and the Beast was released and how incredibly amazing everyone thought it was. It won so many awards because putting that much character into inanimate objects through animation had never been done before and was truly astounding. The creativity it required is still relatively unmatched today. With the remake it lost ALL of that soul, and everything that made Beauty and the Beast so amazing. It's sad to think that the children today will go up preferring these new ones just because it's new and modern
I think Emma Watson helped make the remake popular and that was it. Everyone still remembered her from the Harry Potter franchise as a very loved character and actrice. Well, and they never revealed Beast in the trailers. It was a way to lure people to the theaters to watch a movie that could never compare to the original. I'll be honest, I was intrigued when the 'remake' came out because it was new and eventually watched it while on a date with a guy that had a secret love for Disney. Now the whole remaking just gets old and I hope children will see that too and check out the original. I wonder if kids actually prefer this style over 2D animated and how long it'll last. Hand-drawn are slowly making a come back on kid channels.
When the remake of the original Beauty and the Beast was announced, I asked myself only one question. Why? In the transition to live action, it was going to lose so much - the expressiveness of the inanimate objects as you say, not to mention the beast, the magic of the setting, the fluidity of the musical numbers (they'd never be able to match *that* scene in the ballroom, or the liveliness of the town in "Belle"). Meanwhile I couldn't think of a single advantage that the medium of live action could give a fairy tale film like Beauty and the Beast. And of course, as it turned out, the remake did lose all those things, plus a whole lot more. The existence of it adds nothing to the world other than a great demonstration of why you shouldn't make live action versions of animated films. Of course the answer to my question "Why?" was extremely obviously. Money. No artistic vision, nothing but cold hard cash.
kids will always prefer the originals because their parents show them at early ages so it's what they grow up with. the only people who genuinely care about these live actions are adults giving Disney their money so they can criticize every mistake in a live action and compare it to the originals
I’m about to study animation at university, it makes me sad that it’s so under appreciated. It’s art that tells a story in a creative and exciting way that live action films could never capture. All straight from the imagination, the animators take so much time perfecting every frame to make everything flow... It’s just amazing!
There is a demand for adult anamation now with rick and morty anime ect now if you could break the mould you could be the future It would be cool to see a much more diverse range of western animation. Be the diffrance you want to see in the world try to make something that breaks the mould and earns that respect and demonstrates animation as a medium rather than being misconstrued as a genre Action speaks louder than words. prove them wrong.
@@chyandinii Good Thing In 2016 Zootopia Moana Kubo And The Two String The Red Turtle Finding Dory Why All Animation Because I Think Animation Is Better Than Live Action Movie . One Day Animation Feature Will Win Best Pitcure At The Oscar .
The final message of the video on how the artform of animation itself, and how it will continue to grow and hopefully gain the respect it deserves. Is something every animation junkie (traditional hand drawn animation, stop motion animation, anime, computer generated animation, among other styles) can definitely agree on.
Thank you for bringing up Japanese animation like A Silent Voice and Your Name. I just wish you brought up Ghibli because there's a reason why it's such a respected animation studio.
Thanks SO much for explaining that CGI animation takes so much time and hard work and that even CGI animators work very hard to produce just a few minutes or even less of the movie since people really don't seem to appreciate CGI animation as much as they don't see how much hard work goes behind it too. Every form of animation is a work of art, time and hard work.
@@CenterRow Yeah,I've seen many videos about how animation is an art (which is something I totally agree with, considering I wanna be an animator myself) but not a single one of them has video games LIKE WHAT?WHY? Nevertheless,this is a really good video and I feel like you already touched on why animation is great so the fact that it doesn't include video games is a bit of a nitpick.
Lots of games are moving towards photorealism in visuals and also have more realistic animations. Sometimes I find this change completely counterintuitive and innapropriate to the type of game that adopts this approach.
@@Scroteydada Well yeah but I think games kinda have an excuse for photorealism. It's kind of a sign that you're supposed to take this game super seriously and if not,it still helps build a slightly uncomfortable atmosphere,with all its "ugliness". Now you might say that this isn't an excuse for photorealism and maybe you're right,but one of the reasons photorealism can be damaging is that you can't read a characters expression and therefore you can't read their feelings.In video games though,you're already in control of the main character.So it's like experiencing all of this yourself.When it comes to the other characters,well you still have readable postures,voice acting,plus most of time,the characters will mostly be humans anyway,and the action on screen is also readable.If a photorealistic video game DOESN'T have these,it just doesn't do visuals right... Also,when I said "it's kind of a sign that you're supposed to take it super seriously" I'm not implying that you can't take a vg seriously unless it's photorealistic.You definitely can do that,but when you see a photorealistic guy with a gun,your usual reaction would be "Shit.That guy looks like he means buissness!",compared to when you see a simpler and stylized guy with a guy where you'd react like "Oh,that guy looks cool!".In both occasions you're taking him seriously,but in the first one he looks almost menacing,while on the second,he does look intimidating but not necessarily as scary. And some ppl are just more attracted by realism.If you'd have me and my brother searching through Steam,you'll notice that all the video games I'll stop at are stylized and have vibrant colors and don't always look realistic,all the vg my brother stops at are photorealistic,possibly also with medieval elements or machinery.Even if it just has guns and military weapons,the guy is into that stuff.He would sometimes try to explain to me how guns and other things work and the physics behind them,until he realised my brain just doesn't retain such info (no matter how hard I try) and now doesn't do that as often,but he's still clearly into this stuff.He still plays stuff like Cuphead,Hollow Knight,Shovel Knight,Undertale and won't stop doing so.And I also play photorealistic video games sometimes and won't stop doing so. But yes,they do sometimes fail.I don't know many that do but I also don't have alot of vg experience either.
@@mascotwithadinosaur9353 An example of it failing would be Devil May Cry 5 recently. A third person extreme brawler where the animation is very important. It has all the same moves of the last game, but now instead of being cartoon anime guys, the characters have both scanned in faces and clothing. This is already somewhat jarring, but at first I enjoyed it for how comedic it was. You know that scene in Hot Fuzz where Simon Pegg does ninja flips over rural English garden fences? Yeah that for 5 hours straight. Where this fails though is the physics. In the original back in 2001, Dante was given a long trench coat later in development so that his silhouette would be readable from greater distances. DMC5 makes the coat shorter and animated by physics. It looks sloppy as it flops around and clips in and out of him. A timeless principle of animation dropped so Capcom could show off their stupid coat flopping technology. It won't age as well as DMC4 because of all this. Realsistic shooters are a way better fit for photorealism.
I'm so glad you made this. Any animation is a staggering amount of work from an amazing amount of talented people, and back in the early days was seen as an art form for everyone, but as time went on and prices changed it became "just for kids" because it's inherently "less" than live action, when in truth all it is is different. I want to go into animation, and I'm glad people are starting to see it for the art it is again.
One of the reasons the live-action remakes annoy me so much is they diminish what made the originals so impressive and spectacular. The fact they were animated. They were all hand-drawn. That cannot be recaptured with CGI.
GeneralKenobi75 I normally watch them for the story changes honestly. Beauty and the beast was still trash but the *slight* changes in Aladdin like raga (however you spell the tiger) being a dangerous animal and the sultan making jasmine sultan instead of changing the law himself are just... fun. But I do agree that all the classics being remade is extremely disrespectful to the original and the art form
@@madyluvsanime1248 Fun but not really necessary. What do those really add to the overall story? What does that have to do with Aladdin and Jasmine's romance or Aladdin and the Genie? I mean, at least it's something different but like with Beauty and the Beast the changes don't really add anything to the story. It's not just disrespectful to me, it's completely unecessary. It's just Disney putting out movies to get people into theaters to make money without doing anything really interesting to the changes. The only remake I actually liked was The Jungle Book.
@@GeneralKenobi75 I dislike the remakes because the stories are as unoriginal as it gets and obviously just a Disney's method of earning an easy couple hundred million dollars, but the craft that goes into CGI, especially good CGI is remarkable. It's incredibly hard to do correctly and I find it every bit as impressive as hand drawn animation.
@@GeneralKenobi75 There actually was ONE minor change in Beauty & the Beast that added to the story. The live action version of the Mob Song has an extra line from Gaston that stands out: "Call it war, call it threat, *you can bet they all will follow, for in times like this, they'll do just as I say!"* It paints him as a manipulative villain to counter all those "Gaston did nothing wrong" people. That's the _one bit_ of praise I can give it though. The 2D version of the movie is overall better.
@@ChaosRayZero That wasn't a real change from the original though. That's just adding a line. In the original animated version Gaston is constantly portrayed as using the town for his own ends. Its there. He manipulates the town against Maurice and then again against the Beast. The live-action film likely added that line because they think their viewers are idiots that need everything spelled out for them due to the criticism the original got. Instead doing show don't tell they added unnecessary crap. So to me even that doesn't help the animated one. The only change I actually liked was to Maurice's character. Making a more dignified and wise old clockmaker rather than the bumbling absent-minded inventor that Belle had to look after in the animated one.
As someone who is currently in school studying animation, videos like this really give me hope that more people will begin to recognize the beauty of the medium again. One of my pet peeves right now is hearing people call the new Lion King a "live-action remake," which, even though I'm not particularly a fan of the movie, upsets me because of how it completely disregards the fact that people had to animate all of it! I get so worked up and excited about the animated medium, whether it's in movies, tv shows, video games, etc. because it's my passion, but so often entertainment created with animation is treated so poorly compared to their live-action counterparts. One of the worst culprits really is Disney, which started out as an ANIMATION studio! It's not just with their movies either. Their amazingly clever and charming animated television shows are more often than not treated so poorly to the point of cancellation after only a season or two (Wander Over Yonder, for example), while their live-action sitcoms take the lead, with even the most subpar ones lasting several seasons. Lilo & Stitch was my first introduction to the world of animation at the age of 4 and it's stuck with me ever since in ways that live-action movies just haven't. Thanks for making this video and putting it out there for more people to see, it really helps us animators feel even just a bit more appreciated :)
It's called live action remake (eventho it's animated) coz the makera and advertisement of the movie says so (even though they knew it's not it's only trying to be) and the movie is such a waste of effort... why change the animation to photorealistic when the cartoony style is already good? Why not take that effort and use it on something else that would actually fit the style?
There’s lots of people who like animation, so don’t worry, you’ll have lots of people who appreciate your work. It’s just sad if those jobs don’t pay well because I know it’s a lot of work and it’s also a competitive field. Hope you can make your own small studio or market yourself well. Jobs are all about connections and networking, so make sure you get out there and meet people and collaborate. My best friend and her husband have been working for about 8-9 years trying to break into the video gaming industry (they want to create video games and make their own studio and bring that type of business to our city located in Midwest part of US). Right now it seems like everything goes to California and I think it’s a missed opportunity. I wish big businesses would start expanding their operations to other states that have creative talents too. Anyways, keep networking and good luck to your creative pursuits.
A Cooper thank you for the encouragement!! I do think people miss out on many opportunities by automatically gunning for places like Cali and the big studios, while not thinking of aiming for smaller studios that are scattered around. I mean, even bigger names are in other states AND countries. Laika’s studio is located in Oregon of all places, and Bethesda Softworks is located in Maryland! I’m an optimist, but I also understand the competitive nature of the field I’ve chosen, so I’m gonna keep working hard to make my way in the industry however I can through networking and so forth. And Good luck to your friend and her husband!! I hope they’re able to achieve their dream of building up their own game studio.
Blue Panda I’m studying animation at UMBC, which, funny enough, is a primarily STEM-focused school. However, I do feel like I’m getting a good education in the arts, and I’m saving a lot of money doing so. So don’t feel like you have to go to some big art school in order to get a good art education! While networking may be a big tougher at times, it’s all about the effort you put into it and how much you put yourself out there!
This is why into the spider verse is the best representation of the idea of spider-man; he's a comic book hero and that can't really be captured in live action
Wavvy its literally based off a comic set in a different universe where said character is black. its not even peter parker, its a completely different character. y u so mad
Wavvy In the comic book story it told that the character was supposed to be black, and besides people are tired of the same white characters in movies and tv series
I’m studying traditional 2D animation and I have to say it is EXTREMELY difficult We have to greatly respect the work of those people who made such masterpieces
When you said "Animation might just be the purest form of cinematic storytelling." I just remembered that Irzykowski, an early film critic said something similar in "The Tenth Muse" back in 1924: "When the future of the normal film belongs to the engineers of matter (the human body and the body of nature), then the future of the cartoon film belongs to the painter-poet. And it is only the possibilities of the latter movie that guarantee the cinema its artfulness. [...] For the normal film is a temporary substitute of a painted movie. To disregard a cartoon because a photographic film already exists would be as absurd as to abandon painting because the mechanism of photography was invented."
Idk how many people here watch tv cartoons regularly but if you wanna see some of the best things in animation right now, watch The Wonderful World Of Gumball. The production team is able to seamlessly blend so many styles of animation and film making into each 11-minute episode and they're able to push so many boundaries with the wonderfully designed characters and worlds they've created.
I stand by my words that Disney's Tarzan still has some of the best animation setpieces I've seen. The baboon chase scene was so complex, and let's not forget Tarzan's complex movements during the music montage of his growth with the song "Son of Man".
Animation and art style wise tarzan, treasure planet, Lilo and stitch, emperor's new groove, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Atlantis are some of my all time favorite Disney movies
I agree with all of this. I also hate how underpaid the animators are. Some people don't realize how much work it is to animate a few minutes of screen time.
Someone asked me what my favourite movie was the other day and for some reason it didn’t even come to mind to consider that animated movies could be in that category even though that’s where my favourites all are.
Interesting. This made me rethink my favourite movies for a sec, haha (though it didn't change and they are still all live action ones). Just curious,did your list of favourites change at all after realizing this? Probably half of my favourite TV shows are animated though, and I've never thought twice about that, despite the weird looks I've gotten sometimes, or the handful of times I've actually had to defend those choices to other adults.
aerialpunk I don’t really have a favourite movie I just have a group of movies I enjoy more than others. I quite like Hackshaw Ridge, and I quite like spirited away. But I don’t know if those are my favourite movies. The movie I have loved for the longest time would be the lion king though, spent a significant amount of my childhood watching it and performed it as a musical in high school. I have to agree with you on animated tv though, most of my favourites are definitely animated there.
I hate live action adaptations of animated films. It never ever turns out well. The idea behind the practice is literally just "How to suck all the soul out of a piece of art and make a quick buck while doing it" in my opinion. They never take the bad/mediocre animated movies to do it and try to "reimagine" them, retell them in a better way, because of course they wouldn't. They always take the masterpieces that don't need to be retold, don't need to be reimagined because they're near-perfect as is because it's literally ONLY about making money! And animation, specifically old animation, has a much higher likelihood of being great than any live action films because of how much work goes into them and therefore thought. Thought being the driving force behind quality in art.
They are ok, but I'm getting bored of hearing "jshfkskabe is going to have a live action". Like, that's the only thing I've heard in the last couple years. I'm so bored I started remaking Frozen in 2D with my friends just for fun. Are they out of ideas? Can I watch a new movie now?
This was a great video on the subject! Animation is my favorite medium because it enables artists and storytellers to tell stories in a way that would be impossible to transmit in real life. Art, in general, seeks more an essence of reality than reality itself. And with the animation, artists are able to bring an essence to life. In The Lion King, for example, some artists of the project went to Africa to do some research for the movie. And their goal after the trip was to know how to convey the Africa they visited to the audience. Not what they saw exactly, but what they felt when they were there.
And the result was a great movie that brings a great visual experience to the audience. We have so many movies these days that would look so good with animation. But with many people seeing animation as something that it's only for kids, we have many films with excessive effects and CGI that will probably be dated in a few years. Animation is a language that has the ability to tell any story and do whatever you want, and therefore deserves more recognition of the market and the audience.
@@darkfyraproductions7958 imagine every single live action movie as animation. Hell fuck it just get rid of live action all together. Who what's the inferior medium, right??
We've reached the point where a hand-drawn feature film would feel like a novel invention in this day and age. I'm completely aware CGI animation takes a pain-staking amount of work too, but... *man am I sick of seeing it*
It's not CGI alone that's the problem. It's the fact that no one is doing anything creative with it even though it opens up so many possibilities. Into the Spider-Verse was probably the only CGI movie that I watched that actually looked different.
Same, they all look too similar when they're all 3D, Spider-verse was a breath of fresh air, despite still being 3D, but it would be even better to get a big company doing a 2D animated film released in cinemas like we used to have.
@@chrisossu2070 Agreed. I want to see more boundaries being pushed on the big screen. Maybe it comes down to all the animation studios being afraid to take the risk of making something look different and have it fail because it's not familiar (even though some could definitely afford to take risks).
Couldn’t agree with you more. Live action is great for grounding your film in reality and can create a sense of relatability even in the most bizarre circumstances. But live action can never hope to compete with animation's ability of abstraction. Live action builds empathy through relatability, by showing you the world the characters live in, while animation builds empathy through representation, by showing you how the world feels to the characters.
@@CenterRow wait what. You made the opposite argument in the video. That animation often feels more real than live action. You walking back on that now
Yeah...this is 100% correct, except for one thing. The UP opening scene COULD NOT have been done in live-action as the animators specifically used colours and framing techniques to convey the emotions behind each scene that could not have possibly been fully replicated in live-action.
As a old school clean up artist I really appreciate the recognition you give everyone who busts their butts bringing animated movies, shows and games to life. It can feel like you’re doing brain surgery at times but, it’s worth it when you see it completed. We love our work and are proud of it. We just hope everyone out there enjoys it.
Imagine being an animator who loves their job, who worked hard to pay their studies and you have finally graduated. You're ambitious about all things animation and you wish to be on a major project. But then you end up working on some cash grab shit like the Emoji Movie.
I'll always prefer animated versions over "live action" remakes. Animation is art in and of itself. When I watch an animated movie or cartoon, whether it's traditional 2D animation or Pixar style, I always love to appreciate how good all the art and animation looks. It is part of the experience.
Post Rock Mixes which is why I put “live action” in quotation marks. I understand the movie is fully animated, but the hyperrealism takes away from the charm by trying to emulate the way things look in real life. It’s just not the same
I'm 26 and liked both animation and live action films at the same time. But I also am a little aware of how underappreciated animation (especially hand-drawn) seems to feel by comparison.
(+Q) I would say that CGI definitely IS becoming more realistic and seamless over time, but you only notice the bad CGI. Everyone talks about how great the practical effects in Mad Max: Fury Road are, but ignore all the CGI in the movie. And nobody even realized that many of the super-suits in Endgame were CGI, like the white Ant Man suits. Even Iron Man’s suit has been primarily CGI for the entirety of the MCU. The thing is, the better they do with CGI, the less recognition they get because people won’t realize that it’s all computer generated.
Q It’s used as a crutch but there are improvements. Thanos is incredible to the point you genuinely feel like he’s a physical being interacting with the other characters. They recreated 1982 Sean Young in Blade Runner 2049 and it’s uncanny purely because I know she isn’t that age anymore - but the effect is amazing to the point that those who didn’t know wouldn’t be able to tell.
I was born and raised in Orlando (yes I saw the Mouse when born) so Disney was always apart of my life so I wanted to be an animator when I grew up. But I didn't truly know how much hard work it was until I had to take a class which I failed twice! Drawing is an art itself but drawing fluid movement is mind boggling yet these psychos happily do it for years. RESPECT THE CRAFT!
"Animation is thought to be for kids" Japan: Hold my sake No, really. The whole mindset of "animation is for kids" thing is purely a western mindset. And yeah call me a weeb or whatever, but ever since falling in love with anime back in the early 90's, I've grown to despise the mindset that "cartoons are for kids" because it's simply not true, and it CAN be changed here in the west if we use a more serious approach to animated movies. Stop "live-actioning" adult-themed things that can and do look better animated, and freaking ANIMATE the thing! Like, look at this year's Battle Angel Alita. yeah, the main character is animated, so is like 90% of the movie, but it's meant to emulate reality. If they stylized it and animated to look like say, "Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse" but just emulating the style of the original manga and anime, the movie could have been much more amazing. (Alita wasn't bad, I liked it. I just prefer the manga and anime OVA's) Like come on, Dragonball Evolution???? Some things can be live-action, and some things can be animated. But we shouldn't force one into the other.
@@4uDudes in all fairness Anime has actually grown just as bad as Cartoons have with few exceptions. Where there are a small abundance of good cartoons these days there's an overabundance of crap rehashed anime. The anime market is flooded with animes that have stiffer animation and frame rates with characters that look the same as other characters from other anime. So really the eastern market is in just as much peril as the western market
@@ratchetexperience8379 you do have a point.. but still every year you could find around 30-50 quality anime out which around 10 will be so freakin amazing... But you cants say the same about Western animation.. there are no option , there are choices... Being an anime fan you never run out of good anime to watch...
@@ratchetexperience8379 this year itself :- attackontitan , mob psyco 100, one punch man 2, my hero academia , haikyuu , Jojo part 5 , shield hero and many more is released.. just few of many...
This was beautifully done. It really shows how much us animators work our asses off. I am a one-man team, and it takes a tremendous amount of work, but I love every second of it. Others just don't understand how hard we work, yet never get the pay that we deserve. Anyways....nice job on this video. 🙌
I'm an animation student. My class , as a joke, decided to watch circle of life on the animated and then -CGI animated- live action and compare them. The -CGI- was jarring, confusing, and pitiful in comparison. So, thanks for this dose of appreciation for my media. Hopefully it doesn't slip off into obscurity by the time I'm hireable
@@Johnlindsey289 YES. finally someone talks about coco, i dont care if animation is 3d or 2d, it should just be on the same level as live actions movies.
@@mc.gemstone True, but they mostly do 2D, wonderful works of art. And that's not really the point of this comment, it's not like the person who commented this said that Japan only does 2D animation.
Laika, by the way, is *criminally* underappreciated and it breaks my heart more than you can know that they're making less and less money off of their films. People. Go see stop motion in theater. Please.
I cried watching this. It hurts me to my very core how underappreciated animation is and how people think loving animation is "immature". I wish more people would understand and support this.
I feel you,man. Another thing that gets me really hard is how, because I'm an adult, I'm not supposed to find jokes funny if kids can also understand them, or to find emotional themes moving if kids can also be moved by them. People look down on animated "kids' movies" as if, because it's aimed at kids, there's something wrong with am adult being moved by the sisterly love in Frozen, the sense of adventure in Moana, or how Azula's story arc ended in Avatar. I genuinely don't understand how people can think that way.
Speaking of Wander Over Yonder villains, thank God Lord Dominator made PhantomStrider's list of "Top 10 Most Powerful Animated Women" along with Twilight Sparkle (however, what makes the list flawed is that Strider could have put the Mane 6 on the list), Maleficent (much more so than Princess Aurora), Wonder Woman, Toph (wait, if PhantomStrider is aware that she's mega powerful, then she could be more than an honorable mention, which there could be a lot of on this list because a lot of characters were missing from this list and I could talk with PhantomStriser himself about this) and Marceline & Princess Bubblegum on the list. But what makes the choices look not as good as they could've been is when a Frozen character and a post-Avatar: The Last Airbender franchise character was on the list. "Don't underestimate those amazing, powerful young women!"?! More like "Don't overestimate those bratty teenage women! EVE in WALL·E and the Disney Renaissance women are way stronger!!!!!"!!
In psychology and observation of child development specifically relating to art... I feel like, as an artist, I can say this with at least some modicum of confidence... A child, innocent and full of life, views the world with open eyes and sees the beauty and the vibrancy of the world. You look at a child's drawings and there are strong saturated colors. A vivid blue sky, a beaming yellow sun, green trees and grass... you name it. When we grow up and learn to draw more intricate drawings and we base it more and more on reality, instead of the impression we get of reality... When you look at these fantastical, vibrant animated movies you get to see what a child sees. Strong vibrant colors and expressive body language and facial mimicry. When you look at the live action rendition of the same movie, you can't help but to see how cold and dim the world looks like in comparison.
As an art student that is currently studying animation/ 3d modeling, I'm quickly learning how difficult it is to get things to look exactly as I want it to. You have to be very imaginative. So these teams are full of amazing people who don't get enough praise for their work.
Let us not forget that animators are very underpaid and actors are often extremely overpaid
Uxbridge if your looking to work in animation I hope you don’t mind working a year at a time at random studios with unpaid overtime being the norm
@@minecraftkid50978 As a kid I thought animators made enough money to buy a mcmansion and a supercar. I was shocked to learn some of them get paid near minimum wage and work 12-16 hours!
@@minecraftkid50978 That needs to be changed. That's exactly what we are talking about here. Accepting this kind of treatment as a norm will make things even worse.
Which begs the question; why do they do it when they could potentially save money?
@@3nertia Because we have created this culture of giving most of the credit to the actors. The actor is just another artist working in a team of thousands of artists. Most animators and visual effect artists work 10 times as hard as the actor. Yes, the famous actor brings the audience to the theatres, but that doesn't mean that he/she should be overpaid while the post-production team is getting paid minimum wages. Sometimes those actors don't even bring the audience but still get paid in millions. What I'm saying is that all the artists should get respect, credit and a salary that they deserve.
Good to mention animators are generally the worst treated on a production team. They get paid less and typically have no benefits. They are not invited to parties or social events in most studios. You have to work overtime without being paid. I want animators to be treated better. They make the magic happened.
Hell yes indeed! Everyone ought to be treated on the same level and given recognition now and then. Otherwise, they may get up and abandon you (company). I imagine the work environment/culture is anti-socialist.
Agreed!
Animators are basically actors in their own right, as they create and control the movements of characters to convey emotions in the story. As such they should be paid just as much as the actors.
I wanted to be an animator for Disney movies growing up, thought it was a dream-killer when animation turned to computer graphics but I've realized over the years that being a Disney animator was one of the most stressful, taxing, and financially unfulfilling things you could do in that industry so probably dodged a bullet in the long run.
"the worst treated on a production team"
What the heck ?! Where are you working ? What is the name of your studio where animators are not invited to parties and social events ?
Working in the industry for ten years now, and i never seen any animator being treated like that.
And directors and story boarders beside, they mostly do have the best salary.
Animation is so underrated is depressing. All that hard work for someone to go "meh that's just for kids" 😭 my soul hurts.
Artofizanagi I agree.... I love hand drawn animation ❤️
“meh just for kids” sAID NO ONE
The cartoons we made, weren't for children ~ Mel Blanc. They used to play that clip on USA/TBS/TNT when they showed looney tunes in the evenings back in the 90's, I think.
@@misswolfy2000 my classmates always say that
I have a good 15 anime/cartoons I could show people that are most definitely not for kids. I dare someone to have their small children watch Psycho Pass, even just the first episode is very intense.
It's sad the ignorant "Animation is for kids" notion continues and seems so strong. *_Animation should be for ALL AGES_*
Western animation has somewhat created it's own tropes. Disney, Warner Brothers and Pixar have always heavily relied on selling kid's toys, meaning that their movies would have to be "kid-friendly". Disney in particular tried to push that trope to it's limits.
No matter how mature the actual topic of an animated movie from these companies, their creations were always going to be associated with "kid-stuff".
That is, of course, incredibly unfair to the vast amount of very mature animated movies. In Japan, animation is not considered childish in the slightest.
So in comes dreamworks, literally adapting the biblical tale of the exodus, an incredibly bloody and dark tale of betrayal, tyranny, and loss of innocent lives. Sure is "immature" what with all them movin' pictures.
Considering some of the animated shows I've watched, such as Overlord and Devilman Crybaby(which I didnt actually enjoy but helps prove my point) that shit is definitely not kid friendly but definitely could never be achieved in live action.
I mean, I get so sucked into these shows that I still have visible, physical reactions to some things that I see, but the same thing i look at in live action I have no reaction to, because it seems too fake.
The blend of the fake and the real helps to announce the fake, but having everything not real, somehow makes you forget that none of it is real.
Which makes no sense but I know you understand what I mean.
@@RedFloyd469
What about Bojack Horseman, Ninja Scroll, Dark Knight Returns, Archer, Love Death and Robots, Castlevania, Akira, Princess Mononoke etc.?
If someone ever says that, direct them to a Rick and Morty or South Park episode.
Hellsing ultime, tokyo ghoul, Grave of the Fireflies, sausage party and other: let us to introduce ourselves
_Animation is a Medium that needs to be Respected._
Alpha Jay 3.0 Say it loud for the people in the BACK.
@@ManubibiWalsh thats an opinion,not a fact. but I agree bojack is sometimes better than rick and morty but rick and morty has its own thing and they shouldn't be compared with eachother.
AMEN!!
@@animalanomalies1601 That's the ideal perspective on both shows!
@@kieranstark7213 what's that supposed to mean?
“Animated movie = kids movie” I hate that misconception
Don't worry, pal. Everyone hates that. Well, time for Karen to take the kids to "Sausage Party" at the theater.
You can add "comics/mangas are for kids" and "video games are for kids" to the list of hared misconceptions
Sebastian Varela A Lot of the people who think will watch some of the bs comedies, action films, and whatever Hollywood spews our every year.
I mean do people know of all the Japanese animated films out there? Some of them actually touched upon world war 2 and the bombings!
LPS Monsterpawz - That was back when their Black & White live action movies were more mainstream
I hate that animation is concidered a “genre” (especially pisses me off at the oscars) while it’s obviously a medium.
The oscars are not to be taken seriously to begin with. I don't know why everybody thinks being nominated for one of those worthless statues is somehow meaningful when there is literally a concept called 'oscar-bait'.
-Dian - Now I’m imagining animated characters competing against human actors for best actor/actress
I think animated movies can win best movie aswell. The best animated movie award is basically just extra tribute to them. They have different challenges they deserve an own award aswell
Eaxl Beauty and the Beast was only nominated. Silence of the Lambs won the award that year.
Honestly, animation should have its own Oscars-esque ceremony (I know I'd watch it), with pretty much the same categories as the Oscars. That way, all sorts of animated films could be recognized.
I love and appreciate 3D movies and the hard work that goes into them, but I also want western 2D animation to make a big comeback
Stop motion has made a comeback
Klaus Is 2D Animation .
Disney isn't planning any new 2D movies, any time soon 😢 but luckily there are so many smaller studios making beautiful animations. Cartoon saloon is one of my favorites!
@@m.syauqiabdurahman2798 and it was awesome.
@@cepahreinholt8710 it was awesome
Animation is SO under appreciated. While tabloid shows, reality shows, tween sitcoms, and insurance commercials are WAY over appreciated.
Damn those insurance commercials, always stealing the attention from animated movies! lmao
I agree, as 38 year old I still love cartoons, anime, animated series, animated films and animated movies. I was a film student in college.
Geico commercials are pretty good tho
@@blackbacon08 I do have to agree, they can be be pretty funny. Then again I don't have cable I use streaming services and YT, but I also don't use twitter or Facebook, I'm asocial so I don't see the same commercials all the time.
@@blackbacon08 No they're not! They're stupid!
This is so true. People in animation should get more credit than they already get now. I hate the stigma of animation only for kids. It's limitless what we can do with animation.
It's a tiresome argument alright. But it's probably never going to disappear from entitled moviegoers, that won't bother the process animation goes through.
Yeah I hate the stigma, where in fact most block busters today incorporated animation through VFX.
Agreed animation has always been the ultimate portal to imagination and can more sophisticated than live action sometimes
MissJazzDaFunk It’s kind of a hilarious, ironic stigma considering how many talented people have to bust their butts to get the final product out. You’re telling me that a difficult, expensive, ambitious, artistic, and creative labor of love is just for kids just because it’s not live-action?
Yeah, it's also very disrespectful to to all the people behind these films, especially when they put so much hard worl and effort into making it.
These adults put their heart and soul into their work, and their lives are on the line with each project. When their fellow adults say "animation's just for kids", it's like these people's work stations are being torn apart, all their tools violently tossed off the edge as they're talked down to like children. Picture the dress-ripping scene from the Disney's original animated Cinderella film, but with everyday working men and women.
The animation category in awards exists because the film industry was so angry and insulted that an animated film did a better job than the "real movies"
Arcademan09 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Bravo! Well said! Exactly!
And still major awards only care about Disney, Pixar films. Yeah fuck Perfect Blue, A silent voice, Paprika, Girl who leaps through time, Summer wars, Paranoia Agent etc. LET'S NOMINATE BOSS BABY!
Even if animation was taken more seriously (Which let's face, it is coming but not at Japan's level yet.) American animation will still overtake major awards over foreign animation. Just as American live action over takes foreign live action nearly every time. There's a reason there is a best "Foreign film" category. Also Hollywood movies are simply too popular around the world for there to be a reason for them not to be included.
@@mill2712 and yet more and more American movies rely on overseas box-office money to make a profit when their domestic gross is less than the production cost.
@@justalostlocal Hey, I'm sure all those movies are great, but there's no need to knock Boss Baby here lol
Discounting animation is like discounting paintings if they're not photo realistic.
@Eaxl I that's more to do with Disney and WB wanting it to appeal only to children were as Ghibli marketed to whoever will watch.
That is a perfect example
I love this analogy
No one thinks like that about paintings anymore though, thanks to the rise of abstract art.
@@Gemnist98 There are still a ton of painting that are considered for adults. Abstract art is what let to graffiti and that’s definitely for adults
I think that's why I'm so frustrated with Lion King 2019. I'm an artists myself, and i remember having the original VHS tape and seeing the behind the scenes stuff where the artists would sit in a room with REAL LIONS to practice drawing them with the Disney style. I appreciate the HELL out of that! Whoever is in charge rn really needs to bring back 2D movies because nobody can do color like Renaissance Disney did
Ok so do that yourself.
What would you choose?
Thousands of hours and a lot of effort or normal work?
@@bartoldo5898 If I was truly passionate about it, I wouldn't mind all that work to satisfy my audience
@@bartoldo5898 you shouldn't choose between 2D and CGI because you don't wanna do as much work. You should choose based on which one benefits your story more. And both still require hard work because CGI still require you to know what programs to use to make sure your 3D models don't look like something from the uncanny valley.
I don't hate CGI animation. Pixars Toy Story was a breakthrough for animation as the first fully CGI animated film. But they used CGI because that's what worked for the story. The textures looked like plastic, but because it's about toys, it works. Meanwhile you have films like Dreamworks The Prince of Egypt that has a 2D style, but it lives up to the grandiose story that it tells. Even Disney's own Treasure Planet was able to mix the two together.
And each of these movies have one thing in common-- they hold up. They don't feel dated (with the exception of the humans in toy story lol). These remakes sadly won't be able to live up to their animated source material. But that's not because the animation isn't good. It's because the love and care isn't the same
@@randominternetgirl1798 well that could be true.
Btw there are still film made with that kind of effort and passion.
The stop motion films.
I'd say that the effort put in them is even more but I can't because I don't really know and I have never experienced doing that.
@@bartoldo5898 oh yeah for sure. I think it takes them one day of work to create one to three seconds of film. But they get to create their own world still. The live action remakes are just trying to make the animated scenes anew with humans/photo realistic characters
Especially the amount of time, creative design, and imagination that goes into creating every frame. truly underappreciated for sure.
Oh hell yeah!! We need to make the world a much, much, much better place than this!!!
Watch akira
And watch kimba the white lion too
@@Ozzymandias493 holy crap my aunt use to play that on our dvd when i was a kid and ik its old but she had them on dvd that show was awesome
Animation is underappreciated compared to live action? Hah, good joke!
Wait, seriously? Who are you people?
Long story short:
Reality is often disappointing,
but animation, that puts a smile on my face.
Edit: I wish I knew more than five people irl that would have liked this
Couldn't have said it better.
Too true
Luca Toffa your edit is the truest thing
Now I'm crying because this post will probably be the thing I'll be most known for
Thanos would approve.
I remember being a kid, watching the directors' commentary on the Incredibles DVD and hearing Brad Bird bemoan how animation was underappreciated. And that was back in 2004.
Man, I remember being a kid back in 2004/2005, watching these commentaries, and I remember some animator or worker (probably Bird) talking how the artists took a whole month just to animate a scene where Bob puts his hand into his ripped blue uniform
@@guilhermeviana8131 actually every scene in the incredibles is hard to make
Animation has been underappreciated since the 1930's, when Walt Disney failed to win an Oscar for "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves". He was denied an Oscar, because of the artform he used to tell his story.
The most underrated animated film I can think of is the 1988 anime film Akira because my god there is so much detail in every shot of the film.
@@timtam3730 How is Akira underrated??
I think 2D animation is the most under appreciated. Disney and other companies completely ditched it in favor of 3D (as it's cheaper and "faster" depending on how detailed). I love anime but I really miss the classic animation like the Iron Giant or the Road to El Dorado.
I should just be happy that people are still doing stop motion though; I've been hard pressed to find a stop motion I didn't like
I love the older style Disney animation like The Lion King. I hope they will make one like this again.
@Nes Ally Well also must of the animator in japan are also underpaid which explain why many japenese left after 3 years even if they like their job. I do like many anime but I can understand why they are moving into 2d CGI.
Just rewatched The Secret of NIMH this week. Something I hadn't really noticed before was how much personality and detail that was put into every scene.
it's not really cheaper nor is it faster but 2D animation is still under appreciated yes
@ra You should take in account that these two are 10 years apart, inflation could have some influence
ive tried animating before and jesus christ its so difficult and requires a ton of motivation- mega respect to all animators
Lmao not only that but you have to be able to draw well which takes a whole extra couple years to perfect
Blasphemous moron. Keep my Lords holy name out of your foul mouth.
Hand-drawn frame by frame animation is indeed hard and very time consuming, but seeing your own drawings and characters come to life, is all the reward I need!
- An aspiring animator
Yup
Digital Dazzle Photography rot in heck
I love how you can stop the hand-drawn disney movies at any minute and you know how the characters feel because of their facial expression. When you stop the new lion king at any minute you got an animal documentation in HDR-Rendering.
This is so 100% true
The point of the new Lion King was to make it look like a documentary.
why
I want to be an animator when i grow up. I told my friend and she said “Why? Animated movies? Why not a movie actor?” I hated that. I grew up watching nothing but the lion kng. MY QUOTE ON MY YEARBOOK IS “yes, the past can hurt. But the way i see it, you can either run from it, or, learn from it.
SketchyBish You are such an inspiration and i also aspire to become an animator. Let’s hope in the future we’ll get more recognition for the work that’s done
@@cheetotter33 im also kinda dreamed being an animator (Mostly Background Animation) At Disney And Pixar .
You could always go into animated for video games seeing as how they are the literal crux of the medium
Yeah. I shared with classmates that I wanted to be a film director, and they seem to consider it as a pathetic goal....
@@angelfilms4886 Don't you worry, most people that said that to you will end up being annoying Karen moms at the age of 17 or trash pickers.
me at 14 : i want to make an animation like lion king
me now at 31: i have finished drawing a sunrise
Truly astounding achievement
Love this video. I hate that animation is looked as “that kids stuff” when it’s much much more than that
paquete G
Yeah when the only place(to my knowledge) where to can find animation that spans across multiple genres is Japan, we've got a problem...
Animation was never meant for kids.
@@SirIkeMedia true words have been spoken !
@@SirIkeMedia animation can be anything and for everyone
That's what makes it special
Ironically enough, we have shows like Family Guy, Squidbillies, American Dad, Bob's Burgers, and even the newly made Season 3 of Young Justice. Yep, definitely made for kids, right? Lmao, I hate ignorant people, still stuck with that stupid 80's mentality.
technically, the new Lion King should be classified as "animation" rather than "Live Action" since all animals are animated.
People calling the Lion King remake "live action" got me peeved. The animators deserve more credit than that because animating a cartoony CGI film is not nearly as difficult as animating a photorealistic CGI film.
KEN You may have misunderstood "cartoony" as me saying 2D animation. I was solely talking about 3D animation and find that realism is the hardest to perfect in the realm of 3D animation because you have to take into account every crease and fur particle under even the slightest movement.
I can't even bring myself to call it live action, and it irks me when other people do. I call it *"The Lion King remake"*
I mean, did they bring _actual_ tamed lions and meerkats and warthogs and baboons and hornbills onto a set and have an animal handler record _real_ animal actors moving around in front of a camera?
The only Live Action Lion King is the musical which despite the limits of reality is GORGEOUS. I know show tickets are more expensive especially good seats but if you can see it at least once DO IT (btw get an aisle seat, trust me!).
How Disney made that 20 year old beautiful juggernaut emulate the film so well yet also made this drab mess is irritating.
@@ChaosRayZero Well possibly if you have the animal walk infront of the screen then blend it with a 3D lion yeah you can use a mixture of both and 3D scanners is definately a choice
As someone who aspires to work in the animation industry, I really appreciate this video. So many people overlook animation and it seems our entire society (at least in america) tries to convince us that animation is only for kids. People forget that animation is an ART FORM. It is beyond the confines of one specific age group, or medium. For my whole life, I could never get the same amount of immersion from a live action movie as I could from an animated movie. As you said here- there is something stunningly human about animation. Something that connects with us in ways that live action never can.
I can only hope that the attitude towards animation changes over the years! I would love to see a change where animation is made for everyone again, how it was originally intended.
Someone did said "I've always appreciated animation more. I wish that more people stopped judging animation as a whole to due to trends or outdated standards."
Honestly, I only genuinely liked 2 live-action shows, those 2 are ALF(Paul Fusco is a good person), & That 70s Show. Animated stuff is just far more appealing to me because there's just so much you can do compared to live-action!
@@ExtremeWreck
What about puppetry even from Jim Henson?
Man! You said it! I find it immensely disappointing that this medium is still not taken seriously despite all the hard work put to changing that! I pray that in the future, animation would be seen as an endless way of bringing stories to life and not something that is strictly for kids, and another thing those people who judge others for something that is “not real” shouldn’t be allowed to talk to others since they put people who likes things that “aren’t real” beneath them. They honestly more childish than the medium they are claiming to be so. I’ve always loved animation, and I’ve always dreamt that if I have the power or money to make animated movies, I would consistently make animated movies that would change the landscape people have on animation, but sadly I don’t, but I am optimistic that it might change, eventually at least...
@@Johnlindsey289 Yeah exactly, but if I’m going to be brutally honest with you... ( even though you might have already) you can’t really blame the general public for thinking that animation is for kids, as most of media that involves animation are geared more towards kids. Not to mention a lot of animated movies aren’t very good, hell now it’s getting more and more rare to come by good animated movies. Hell even Disney is not putting out films unless it gains them money. Which in turn effects the quality of most of their movies nowadays. It also doesn’t help that animated movies that are average at best. Like Illumination movies, are making more money than really good ones. So unless the industry stop treating animation the same way an average person would also treat it and start helping grow like it should, we would not stop seeing this art form get treated like this...
I heard some people demean Spiderverse by calling it just a cartoon, yet they enjoyed it. They said "Into the Spider-verse was good for a cartoon" Why can't they not have just enjoyed it??
ToonNick “you got something against cartoons”
@@mycosat Exactly my dude, that was probably for them lol
ToonNick Spiderverse was amazing. END OF STORY!
@@x3no841 I agree entirely 👌
ToonNick Because, animated means it’s for kids only...
And I’m getting called immature by people because I watch silent voice
Yeah a topic about depression, anxiety and suicide seems kid friendly
I don't understand people at all sometimes. People just see animation and say it's "immature" cause its supposedly just for kids when that clearly ain't the truth. ESPECIALLY in A Silent Voice. That movie is incredibly mature, one of the most mature animated movies I've ever seen. Period.
And now.....the studio that brought us that movie has been destroyed by arson, and 34 are dead. :(
#PrayforKyoAni
Tell those people to watch Attack on Titan 😂
@@onepeace9632 Sadly that wont help either. Dark story with blood and political conspiracy doesnt equate mature to the sceptics. Dont get me wrong I think AoT is neato but it wont make them realize how much merit animation posseses. And neither will other animations with dark story and blood.
@@onepeace9632 Castlevania. Where there's cursing and kneeing opponents in the testicles.
John Smith that is literally my favorite movie the visuals story telling everything it's so beautiful and makes me really feel and understand the characters
(After the remake)
Rotten Tomatoes: "Look how far animation has progressed!"
Literally Everyone: "Please die."
MOOFAMDEEZ It scored a 56 on rotten tomatoes which is terrible.
MOOFAMDEEZ what would be the correct terminology be for the remake? it’s not all CGI because it’s a real set
*figuratively everyone, because I didn't say "Please die."
*technology. could you do the 2019 movie with tech from 1994? hell no. that’s why it HAS progressed.
I will share this masterpiece of a video wherever I can because this is so incredibly well done at showing why animation is not just for children or childish. Amazing work man.
+1000 respect.
Thank you!
JaxBlade Same here. My family thinks that animation is nothing more than a kids toy. I try to tell them that that can’t be further than the truth, but because it’s three against one (my dad doesn’t care, thanks Dad) and majority rules, I’m not taken seriously.
Respect: 100
@Tom Ffrench I guess they don't know there is a thing called Cartoon Nudity,and if animation is limitless,then everything bad and good can be exaggerated, If you know what I mean,everything that is considered adult can be easily depicted as cartoon.And that does not make it kid friendly
Animation is limitless, and everyone needs to stop thinking its constrained to children stories, also we need to stop thinking kids media as inherently a bad thing
@marianne mccrank indeed! Tbh, everytime someone uses the phrase "kids stuff/content" as an insult I feel is more like an insult for kids? Like why the hate on children all of the sudden
Sir, you earned my respect. I HATE adults who think children’s media is “stupid”.
"we need to stop thinking kids media as inherently a bad thing"
*THANK YOU!!!*
@marianne mccrank I mean, Steven Universe is not really a kids show there, but I pretty much agree.
@@sunspotmill1291
What do you mean it's not a kids show? And btw another good example would be Avatar the last Airbender, I really loved the story telling when I was younger
God, I just adore Emperor's new groove..
It's just wonderfully energetic
Good of you to mention it. I should go look it up online.
@@Helaw0lf Yeah you really should, it's awesome. Probably my favorite underrated Disney movie ever
I remember the Disney show it had a catchy intro
You are win!
Such an underrated movie. Watched it again a few months ago, it's hilarious!
I think it's the stigma that "cartoons are for kids" that turns some people off from animation. Which is incredibly sad because animation truly is limitless
Well there's Bojack Horseman, Spawn TAS, Archer, Japanese animation like Ninja Scroll, Akira and more.
@@Johnlindsey289 Good point, but what's the target demographic for those kinds of shows?
@@silverscorpio24
adults
Blame the 1970s, & 1980s American cartoons for that. Well, SOME of them anyway.
@@ExtremeWreck
Some animated movies done aimed not for kids were done in those times too
Professional Animator here ✋🏼 just felt like saying „thank you“ for this little love letter to the craft I love, and helping spread the appreciation for this incredible artform and the crazy people who get into this totally under appreciated and incredibly difficult profession. Truly, thank you ♥️
Thank you so much for watching and for your hard work!
I love your work!
@@CenterRow Your voice reminds me so much of Cam Clarke.
If someone says they don't watch cartoons or animation: people don't mind.
If someone says they don't watch live action: surprised pikachu face
I pretty much only watch the MCU movies in terms of live action, people think I'm wierd for that, but holy shit if the justice league animated movies aren't a million times better than the live action one.
@@darkfyraproductions7958 Under the red hood and Year one were fire :D Also got no idea how green lantern could fail as a movie when they could have just done First Flight.
It's hard to call most live action films "live action" anymore, when between 40% to 90% of said films are made utilizing CGI!
@@troyjardine5850 exactly
I've never been as drawn to live actions as I have to animations. It's definitely an unpopular opinion to have my favorite movie spots filled up by animated films. Animation is my guilty pleasure. Can't help it.
Ironic, artificial moving pictures have more soul to them than most films in Hollywood produced today.
Yes I despise celebrities who are given god status, when they are only meant to entertain us and that’s it.
AndreNitro X1000 I don’t understand what you mean, who are you talking about? Can you give me an example?
RyanHardt *insert celebrity name here* has spoken out against Trump. They’re just celebrities and people take their political beliefs seriously when they don’t explain a thing and repeat the same mimicked garbage over and over again. And the media applauds it so the viewers follow suit with the agenda. But when someone voices the “unpopular opinion” (there are popular opinions that are just politically incorrect and shameful to the dumb masses), they are ostracized when they actually do the Brave thing of standing against the trends. What the OP was saying was that we give way too much validity to the celebrities and call them Brave for something that is not difficult to say because it’s expected to be said. Even if you’re against trump, you shouldn’t take or give validity to a celebrity who pulling statements out of their asses without debating contrasting opinions. Celebrities say stuff outside of their realm of expertise and then not even debate or back up their points. It’s a form of pandering and I’m sure you’ve seen it.
Inxanity But what he’s saying has nothing to do with what the comment said. What does the god tier that celebrities are given have to do with Hollywood movies not having soul?
RyanHardt Well, I get what you’re saying as well. It’s a bit of a tangent, but it still has to do with the Western culture. I might even compare all this despise for true art to the increasing degeneracy of the liberal West. Even though animation is amazing, we disrespect it. All the respect goes to the undeserving live action acting. As a result, we worship the faces, or the actors, when they played only a part of the entire creative process. If we gave the deserved respect to animation, we’d give the the animators and creators most of the credit because they’ve done most of the work. However, in movies, the layman will only give credit to the actors, but not the directors, musicians, and creators. There is a connection between all these things we talk about. Actors are worshipped because live action movies are overhyped. Live action movies are overrated because animation is disrespected. Animation is disrespected because society is degeneracy right now. Society is degeneracy because... I don’t wanna explain that. Let’s just say we give ourselves too much liberty so we forgot what really got us here and what is really important in life. Taking that idea, it makes sense why the west is admiring actors (who are just people like everyone else and Keanu Reeves is an example of the good actor who doesn’t get power hungry) and not admiring animation (making ugly art [unlike Japan] or making the good Western art seem childish when it is a form that anyone should enjoy in respecting the countless months/years of effort behind it). Non-Japanese animation can be good, but if it’s not Disney/Pixar, the art style isn’t going to be beautiful. Look at the Anime that gets so much respect. There is so much beauty in the art and they can make ugly art but beauty is the goal. At the same time, Japanese don’t idolize celebrities like Westerners do to the Kardashians or the royal family or the A list celebrities or the online personalities. That stuff that we do is disgusting. But in Japan, even subways have Anime in their advertisements. The respect for their hardworking artists is, well, respectable.
Doing animation is a very hard work and time consuming , yet the animator always receive less payment than a voice actor .
It's a matter of demand. If there was only one guy who could draw in the Disney style, you can bet your bottom dollar he'd be better paid than the top five actors combined.
kampfer91 It’s because usually there are plenty of good animators. But most of the time you can’t replace a voice actor.
@@nestoons4539 In my experience though , there is no shortage of voice actor but currently people don't apply for animator ( In Japan at least ) because harsh working condition and low payment . People start to shift to 3D/2D hybrid art to save money and time....
kampfer91 I meant that a voice actor has a distinct voice that usually can’t be replaced, but with an animator there is almost always someone else who can draw and animate nearly identically.
@@nestoons4539 The same goes for the animator , during the animation process there is the lead animator who responsible for the art , it is his / her work that determine how the show looks like and if the art looks good enough it will be a hit , you can't really copy 100 % , we do something called tracing from the outline he/she draw . Voice actors may have unique voice but the thing is there are many of them available for the job , like so many unlike animator job which only a few people actually attend college just to learn how to do animation . Voice actor usually hired near the end , they contribute like 10 % of the work while the animator did the majority of the show and if the lead animator take a sick leave they gonna delay it .
I am not gonna deny voice actor important work of making personality out of a char but when theirs payment is like 10X more than animators , only few want to be the animator in Japan....
Animation is SO HARD. People take a look at it and think “Pffft, that mustn’t be THAT hard.” I spend hours on my trashy animation just to make it look good, I rarely even finish it. People who animate deserve to be praised as g o d s -
Literally 1.5 seconds can take at least 5 HOURS TO DO.
@@NutpuffTheWolf*High-piched tiny screaming*
You have to be kidding O. O and i wonder why it takes years for animated movies xD
@@galaxydeathskrill5607 if you search up animation tutorials, they are VERY complicated and takes a lot of time and effort.
I used to HELLA under appreciate animation. Then I started FlipaClip, thinking “eh, how hard can it be?” and spent the next month on a crappy Mapleshade AMV
Animation’s hard my dudes
I'm currently learning it and yes, it does take hours to produce a fraction of second even though I'm not working with any living things yet (just the basic shapes, some bouncing balls and things like falling leaves).
Imagine doing it with a set of main characters and a crowd in the background, and the background itself with blowing winds and perhaps hundreds of falling leaves... It's daunting.
It's funny because ADULTS create KID'S movies. I work at Mercury Filmworks (A Disney studio that makes Tangled and Lion Guard), and the amount of work that goes into any animated product is RIDICULOUS. It makes me more fully appreciate every piece of animation I have ever seen.
Victoria Putinski hey! That’s pretty cool!
Victoria Putinski you’re very talented!
@@shay2396 Thank you so much!
Nice !
oh my gosh! When I read you worked at Mercury Filmworks I was soo happy! I love their shows (especially how they're so beautifully animated) and aspire to work there one day. How's your experience there, if I may ask?
Hey man I just wanna say as an animator myself who is studying at university; I cant say thanks enough for telling people about the magic of animation.
I really feel like your talking to me when you were explaining the effort that goes into the process of making these images move, I know it all too well!
There are big things on the horizon for animation, and I believe as dissatisfaction for live action remakes grows, the demand for a return to animation will grow too.
EDIT:
Stumbled back on this video and saw my comment haha. I'm working in the animation industry now. I worked on Adult Swims 'Smiling Friends' and now I'm working on a new adult comedy that is yet to be announced.
To say that the actual process of making animation is a challenge is beyond an understatement. And although people have this idea of a collaborative and wonderful art culture; in reality it's one of the hardest jobs you can imagine. I do not hesitate to say that this industry eats you alive and that those that can make it through into permanent employment are some of the toughest people I've ever met.
The psychological aspect of pushing through the utter barbarity of this industry alone is immense. Crunches last weeks, people are underpaid, schedules are insane, and artists who stumble and fall can sometimes loose their jobs forever.
Animation is beautiful, and I love it with all my heart, but if a little kid said that they wanted to be one like me... I honestly couldn't encourage them to pursue it.
I agree especially when movies like into the spiderverse are getting equal to greater praise then their live action counterparts
I was going to say the same thing, as an animator you see some people not taking your job seriously or people saying is only for kids, and I absolutely hate this mindset.
This video is fantastic. Adults limit animation to being just for children, and it’s not at all fair to the animators, voice actors, and screenwriters. Animation is limited only to your imagination, and not many people can appreciate that.
Only speaking by experience, it mostly teenagers and young adults who are trying to proves that that they are adults who say animation is for kids.
Then, around the age of 25-30 nowadays, they realize being adults dont mean having an adult body or doing adult things, but being mature and sage of mind, and being able to take your responsibilities firmly with your hands.
the missing link Yeah. I was talking with a college professor not long ago and she was comparing her class to a kindergarten. “I have to track attendance now, i din’t have to do that 10 years ago” she told me.
We dont transmit true values and discipline to our kids anymore and they grow into entitled kings-child.
Expect for the emoji movie
@@mlheureux2663 Only speaking from my own experience, I have several middle-aged and elderly friends and family who refuse to even watch animated movies because "it's a cartoon." One of which absolutely adored the live action Beauty and the Beast. I asked her if she'd seen the original and she didn't even want to try it.
Another one, after coming along to the theater more than once just because the rest of the family was going, she admitted that she loved Home and The Croods "despite the fact that they're a cartoons."
You'd think that with the existence of shows such as Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, and especially South Park... that they would get the hint about your statement.
The power of animation is that it makes it look dreamlike, a fairytale land without limits. The real life version makes the world feel limited because we know and understand that world a lot better. A villain can look crazy and creepy but still good designed in the animation but in real life the design is limited because it is not appealing to have a cartoonish villain in a real life movie.
real life? you mean live action
As someone studying animation: THANK YOU!! Live action, 2D animation, 3D animation... They are not 'upgrades' of each other... They are entirely different Art forms within themselves! They have their own strengths and weaknesses. Like any tool, it's what people make of it that decides the quality.
THANK YOU!! 3d animation takes time, effort, and love! Just like 2d animation does!!
Me: "Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse is my favorite Spider-Man movie."
Friend: "But, isn't that animated?"
Me: -.-
Helena Rosno
Same!
I had the same reaction after people told me Far From Home was the best Spider man movie. I ask them about Spider-Verse and they say it doesn’t count because it’s animated. Weak sauce.
Far From Home was good, but it ain’t on Spider Verse’s level.
Joseph Abrams
The truth is sometimes disappointing :(
Grab your friend by the collar, and say "YOU'RE GODDAMN RIGHT, IT IS!!!"
literally same! i told my friends that spider-verse is my favorite superhero movie of all time and they pointed and laughed and made fun of me. because it's animated it doesn't count? the fact it's animated makes it 10x more creative, energetic and comic-y than 99% of live action superhero movies!
i hope to see more 2D hand drawn animation in the theatres!
Brian 4 or mixture of both like spider verse
So would I, but alas, I doubt that will happen any time in the near future. CG animation costs infinitely less time and money to produce than other forms of animation, and because the big film studios have almost complete control over what films get made, it's the only form of animation that they're willing to release to the big screen.
Me too omg I miss it so much
HotWax93 I don’t care about that it’s not about the easy work it’s about the hard work from dedication and determination in animation
@@hotwax9376 How does something that involves computers cost less than a traditional method? I'm still a bit confused about that notion.
Let’s talk about claymation and live action for a moment. We are gonna compare a simple action: a character flipping into a scene.
Live action: the actor or stunt double is put into harnesses in front of a blue/green screen. Director calls action, and the harness moves with them as they do the flip. Done in an hour, at the least.
Claymation: each frame is one picture, and each picture is taken after each adjustment of the “puppet”. If they want the facial expression to change at any point, they have to replace the head or sometimes the whole “puppet” to get the one with the different facial expression. They use thin wires to hold it up so it won’t show in the picture. Someone, somewhere, is painting up the background that will be shown on the green screen. To get a split second shot, it probably takes the whole day, not including the animation of the background.
So, yes, animation is underrated.
Its insanely hard
I asked my mom to watch Coraline with me. At the beginning she was all like "Isn't this for 5 year olds?" And then in the middle of the movie she was very scared and my sister and I just enjoyed watching it. In the end, she said "Why can't you just watch normal things for once?" She doesn't even realise how much time and effort people spent on these stop-motion films and yet she calls it strange and weird.
Shæms “why can’t you watch normal things?” was my moms reaction as well haha! But when I mentioned the animation she said “that’s what makes it creepier, I thought I was one of the little puppets on the set being moved around” so I guess in a way she still appreciated the eerie and wistful way they animated the clay puppets and sets
Yeah, and nobody will get hurt in the process.
I mean, there could be accidents and with real actors it's always a little bit dangerous to get those action scenes.
@alexander shawn I still love live action, I’m just mad animation is so under-appreciated in comparison even though for most animations there’s a lot more work out into it
I'm gonna be an animator guys. Send me your energy and love
Kino - Hello
You can do it! I believe in you! Step up and bring marvelous 2-D animation back into the film industry and prove them wrong!
Same!
Same!
*sends energy drink*
We got this!
Wanna know what's under appreciated? Your videos! Can't wait to see more content from you
Thank you!
@@CenterRow same here, Man!
@@CenterRow this video you made is perfect when describing animation fantastic job man
I want Disney to go back to beautiful 2D animation. But if by some holy miracle they did, the General audiences won’t pay to go see it.
I would go if I had a family started and did not suffer from capitalism's blight on job seeking when younger. Not just Disney, but other companies and independents alike.
They tried to bring 2D back with the Princess and the Frog. Not a lot of people went to watch it and it didn't bring in athe big bucks. Disney only seems to care about money, and easy money at that. I think that's why we won't ever be seeing a return to Animation on the big screen.
UltimateGeek
No they won’t. They went back to 2D for like 3 movies, and they flopped at the box office. That may be because the movies weren’t that great, or maybe their advertising sucked, but Disney cares about numbers more than anything. Those 3 numbers failed, and they haven’t gone back to 2D since.
Don't see why you would want that. 3D animation looks amazing and can be just as creative.
Tbh Princess and the frog is actually favourite Disney movie. I'm really disappointed that the Disney 2D animation doesn't exist anymore and I feel like as the years have gone on Disney has been loosing it's spirit 😔 I agree with you that we desperately need a miracle bc these live action films aren't enough 😢
The Prince of Egypt slaps so hard, totally under appreciated
Podcast - SørenCast Z the Mariah/Whitney version is the worse version I said what I said
It's one of the greatest animated movies ever in my opinion.
It’s straight up THE BEST animated movie ever made in my opinion.
Hirohiko Araki (author of JoJo) wrote in his book that when he draws there has to be a balance between realism and symbolism. Draw the most important object with more detail but tone it down for the non important things.
It's another concept that's exclusive to animation and drawings, because that balance is lost when you go live action.
If you slap everything with realism like in the Lion King you get animals that just seem off and even nightmare fuel like Pumba.
I giggled when reading this comment because it reminds me of one of my friends who constantly uses this book as an example or to explain narration to others, so I instantly imagined him talking and randomly taking the book out of his bag to explain to us the teachings of Araki
I cringe every time I hear the words "animation is just for kids" for many reasons but mostly because I understand how much work has to go into every frame of the film. I also know that some of the best scenes in cinematic history are from animated films. The first film ever to make me understand how movies could make you feel sympathy for the characters was in fact Pixar's up. I was very young when I first watched it. Before that I had only watched mostly funny films that I would laugh at. Up changed how I saw movies forever and although other films both live action and animated have also given me experience's like it up has always remined an important lesson for me about why animation is so important.
@@darkfyraproductions7958 At least video games have lost much of that stigma recently - very mature games dominate the best-seller lists and gaming is quickly becoming mainstream, whereas with animation...
Anime? Dude, several shows have made me cry. I swear to GOD if someone even attempts to tell me "Anime is just Asian cartoons and cartoons are for kids" I will force them to watch Devilman: Crybaby or, even better, Banana Fish. (Banana Fish is 100% R rated, would not recommend for immature viewers.)
Akira: not for kids, and is referenced literally everywhere.
Jojo’s bizarre adventure, and death note are some of my favorite shows.
What about puppetry? i mean Dark Crystal franchise, Labyrinth, Dinosaurs, Meet The Feebles and more should be proof puppetry isn't just for kids
"Reality is often disappointing-"
Rick Harrison :P
I was about to fucking comment that.
And it's boring compare to non realism.
I always wondered why animated movies and tv shows made me feel more emotion than live action. Animation somehow brings out the inner feelings of a person that can be difficult to portray, ironically, with actual people.
What about puppetry?
@@Johnlindsey289 I think that puppetry has the same effect. Maybe this is because they can mimic animation by being manipulated in doing whatever emotion needs to be expressed.
@@branfordbarnes8877
Well good examples include Dark Crystal franchise, Muppets, Dinosaurs and more
Me too
I remember back when Beauty and the Beast was released and how incredibly amazing everyone thought it was. It won so many awards because putting that much character into inanimate objects through animation had never been done before and was truly astounding. The creativity it required is still relatively unmatched today.
With the remake it lost ALL of that soul, and everything that made Beauty and the Beast so amazing. It's sad to think that the children today will go up preferring these new ones just because it's new and modern
Eventually, the remakes will age and will have been forgotten while the animated originals will go on.
I think Emma Watson helped make the remake popular and that was it. Everyone still remembered her from the Harry Potter franchise as a very loved character and actrice. Well, and they never revealed Beast in the trailers. It was a way to lure people to the theaters to watch a movie that could never compare to the original. I'll be honest, I was intrigued when the 'remake' came out because it was new and eventually watched it while on a date with a guy that had a secret love for Disney. Now the whole remaking just gets old and I hope children will see that too and check out the original. I wonder if kids actually prefer this style over 2D animated and how long it'll last. Hand-drawn are slowly making a come back on kid channels.
When the remake of the original Beauty and the Beast was announced, I asked myself only one question. Why? In the transition to live action, it was going to lose so much - the expressiveness of the inanimate objects as you say, not to mention the beast, the magic of the setting, the fluidity of the musical numbers (they'd never be able to match *that* scene in the ballroom, or the liveliness of the town in "Belle"). Meanwhile I couldn't think of a single advantage that the medium of live action could give a fairy tale film like Beauty and the Beast. And of course, as it turned out, the remake did lose all those things, plus a whole lot more. The existence of it adds nothing to the world other than a great demonstration of why you shouldn't make live action versions of animated films.
Of course the answer to my question "Why?" was extremely obviously. Money. No artistic vision, nothing but cold hard cash.
kids still prefer the animated versions, it's adults that are obsessed with live action
kids will always prefer the originals because their parents show them at early ages so it's what they grow up with. the only people who genuinely care about these live actions are adults giving Disney their money so they can criticize every mistake in a live action and compare it to the originals
I’m about to study animation at university, it makes me sad that it’s so under appreciated. It’s art that tells a story in a creative and exciting way that live action films could never capture. All straight from the imagination, the animators take so much time perfecting every frame to make everything flow... It’s just amazing!
There is a demand for adult anamation now with rick and morty anime ect now if you could break the mould you could be the future
It would be cool to see a much more diverse range of western animation.
Be the diffrance you want to see in the world try to make something that breaks the mould and earns that respect and demonstrates animation as a medium rather than being misconstrued as a genre
Action speaks louder than words. prove them wrong.
*Sees Kubo and The Two Strings*
*Starts crying*
Finally, someone who recognizes this movie's beauty T-T
Same here except for me it's 'Your name'
It's a beautiful movie but the story was a bit formulaic.
@@holly1025 yeah, but I can't believe they just pushed it away
Gorgeous movie.
@@chyandinii Good Thing In 2016
Zootopia
Moana
Kubo And The Two String
The Red Turtle
Finding Dory
Why All Animation
Because I Think Animation Is Better Than Live Action Movie . One Day Animation Feature Will Win Best Pitcure At The Oscar .
You nailed it here! And just like Walt Disney himself said “You’re dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up anyway.”
The final message of the video on how the artform of animation itself, and how it will continue to grow and hopefully gain the respect it deserves. Is something every animation junkie (traditional hand drawn animation, stop motion animation, anime, computer generated animation, among other styles) can definitely agree on.
The final message of the video is that animation is far superior to live action and that most movies should be live action.
@marianne mccrank disagree
@marianne mccrank The final message of the video is that animation is far superior to live action and that most movies should be live action.
Thank you for bringing up Japanese animation like A Silent Voice and Your Name. I just wish you brought up Ghibli because there's a reason why it's such a respected animation studio.
Ghibli speaks for itself. We all know it's as beloved as Disney.
Anime disney
He did show Spirited Away.
He forgot to mention Perfect Blue
He showed it, and that's all you need to do
He showed Spirited Away and Howl’s Moving Castle
Thanks SO much for explaining that CGI animation takes so much time and hard work and that even CGI animators work very hard to produce just a few minutes or even less of the movie since people really don't seem to appreciate CGI animation as much as they don't see how much hard work goes behind it too. Every form of animation is a work of art, time and hard work.
Video games are also entirely animated and idk why ppl don't see that.
Oh, good point, wish I would have included that.
@@CenterRow Yeah,I've seen many videos about how animation is an art (which is something I totally agree with, considering I wanna be an animator myself) but not a single one of them has video games LIKE WHAT?WHY?
Nevertheless,this is a really good video and I feel like you already touched on why animation is great so the fact that it doesn't include video games is a bit of a nitpick.
Lots of games are moving towards photorealism in visuals and also have more realistic animations. Sometimes I find this change completely counterintuitive and innapropriate to the type of game that adopts this approach.
@@Scroteydada Well yeah but I think games kinda have an excuse for photorealism.
It's kind of a sign that you're supposed to take this game super seriously and if not,it still helps build a slightly uncomfortable atmosphere,with all its "ugliness".
Now you might say that this isn't an excuse for photorealism and maybe you're right,but one of the reasons photorealism can be damaging is that you can't read a characters expression and therefore you can't read their feelings.In video games though,you're already in control of the main character.So it's like experiencing all of this yourself.When it comes to the other characters,well you still have readable postures,voice acting,plus most of time,the characters will mostly be humans anyway,and the action on screen is also readable.If a photorealistic video game DOESN'T have these,it just doesn't do visuals right...
Also,when I said "it's kind of a sign that you're supposed to take it super seriously" I'm not implying that you can't take a vg seriously unless it's photorealistic.You definitely can do that,but when you see a photorealistic guy with a gun,your usual reaction would be "Shit.That guy looks like he means buissness!",compared to when you see a simpler and stylized guy with a guy where you'd react like "Oh,that guy looks cool!".In both occasions you're taking him seriously,but in the first one he looks almost menacing,while on the second,he does look intimidating but not necessarily as scary.
And some ppl are just more attracted by realism.If you'd have me and my brother searching through Steam,you'll notice that all the video games I'll stop at are stylized and have vibrant colors and don't always look realistic,all the vg my brother stops at are photorealistic,possibly also with medieval elements or machinery.Even if it just has guns and military weapons,the guy is into that stuff.He would sometimes try to explain to me how guns and other things work and the physics behind them,until he realised my brain just doesn't retain such info (no matter how hard I try) and now doesn't do that as often,but he's still clearly into this stuff.He still plays stuff like Cuphead,Hollow Knight,Shovel Knight,Undertale and won't stop doing so.And I also play photorealistic video games sometimes and won't stop doing so.
But yes,they do sometimes fail.I don't know many that do but I also don't have alot of vg experience either.
@@mascotwithadinosaur9353 An example of it failing would be Devil May Cry 5 recently. A third person extreme brawler where the animation is very important. It has all the same moves of the last game, but now instead of being cartoon anime guys, the characters have both scanned in faces and clothing. This is already somewhat jarring, but at first I enjoyed it for how comedic it was. You know that scene in Hot Fuzz where Simon Pegg does ninja flips over rural English garden fences? Yeah that for 5 hours straight.
Where this fails though is the physics. In the original back in 2001, Dante was given a long trench coat later in development so that his silhouette would be readable from greater distances. DMC5 makes the coat shorter and animated by physics. It looks sloppy as it flops around and clips in and out of him. A timeless principle of animation dropped so Capcom could show off their stupid coat flopping technology. It won't age as well as DMC4 because of all this.
Realsistic shooters are a way better fit for photorealism.
"A real sunset over a real horizon"
*Am I a joke to you!? - Sunrise*
Hehe loved the video and what he had to say, but that one line got to me!
You've nailed why I love animation so much. Nicely done good sir.
Ever since I was a kid to my 23 year old self. I still watch more animated films than live action
I'm so glad you made this. Any animation is a staggering amount of work from an amazing amount of talented people, and back in the early days was seen as an art form for everyone, but as time went on and prices changed it became "just for kids" because it's inherently "less" than live action, when in truth all it is is different. I want to go into animation, and I'm glad people are starting to see it for the art it is again.
Thanks for watching!
One of the reasons the live-action remakes annoy me so much is they diminish what made the originals so impressive and spectacular. The fact they were animated. They were all hand-drawn. That cannot be recaptured with CGI.
GeneralKenobi75 I normally watch them for the story changes honestly. Beauty and the beast was still trash but the *slight* changes in Aladdin like raga (however you spell the tiger) being a dangerous animal and the sultan making jasmine sultan instead of changing the law himself are just... fun. But I do agree that all the classics being remade is extremely disrespectful to the original and the art form
@@madyluvsanime1248 Fun but not really necessary. What do those really add to the overall story? What does that have to do with Aladdin and Jasmine's romance or Aladdin and the Genie? I mean, at least it's something different but like with Beauty and the Beast the changes don't really add anything to the story. It's not just disrespectful to me, it's completely unecessary. It's just Disney putting out movies to get people into theaters to make money without doing anything really interesting to the changes. The only remake I actually liked was The Jungle Book.
@@GeneralKenobi75 I dislike the remakes because the stories are as unoriginal as it gets and obviously just a Disney's method of earning an easy couple hundred million dollars, but the craft that goes into CGI, especially good CGI is remarkable. It's incredibly hard to do correctly and I find it every bit as impressive as hand drawn animation.
@@GeneralKenobi75 There actually was ONE minor change in Beauty & the Beast that added to the story. The live action version of the Mob Song has an extra line from Gaston that stands out: "Call it war, call it threat, *you can bet they all will follow, for in times like this, they'll do just as I say!"*
It paints him as a manipulative villain to counter all those "Gaston did nothing wrong" people.
That's the _one bit_ of praise I can give it though. The 2D version of the movie is overall better.
@@ChaosRayZero That wasn't a real change from the original though. That's just adding a line. In the original animated version Gaston is constantly portrayed as using the town for his own ends. Its there. He manipulates the town against Maurice and then again against the Beast. The live-action film likely added that line because they think their viewers are idiots that need everything spelled out for them due to the criticism the original got. Instead doing show don't tell they added unnecessary crap. So to me even that doesn't help the animated one. The only change I actually liked was to Maurice's character. Making a more dignified and wise old clockmaker rather than the bumbling absent-minded inventor that Belle had to look after in the animated one.
As someone who is currently in school studying animation, videos like this really give me hope that more people will begin to recognize the beauty of the medium again. One of my pet peeves right now is hearing people call the new Lion King a "live-action remake," which, even though I'm not particularly a fan of the movie, upsets me because of how it completely disregards the fact that people had to animate all of it! I get so worked up and excited about the animated medium, whether it's in movies, tv shows, video games, etc. because it's my passion, but so often entertainment created with animation is treated so poorly compared to their live-action counterparts. One of the worst culprits really is Disney, which started out as an ANIMATION studio! It's not just with their movies either. Their amazingly clever and charming animated television shows are more often than not treated so poorly to the point of cancellation after only a season or two (Wander Over Yonder, for example), while their live-action sitcoms take the lead, with even the most subpar ones lasting several seasons. Lilo & Stitch was my first introduction to the world of animation at the age of 4 and it's stuck with me ever since in ways that live-action movies just haven't. Thanks for making this video and putting it out there for more people to see, it really helps us animators feel even just a bit more appreciated :)
It's called live action remake (eventho it's animated) coz the makera and advertisement of the movie says so (even though they knew it's not it's only trying to be) and the movie is such a waste of effort... why change the animation to photorealistic when the cartoony style is already good? Why not take that effort and use it on something else that would actually fit the style?
At which school are you studying animation? :) I want to start studying animation next school year
There’s lots of people who like animation, so don’t worry, you’ll have lots of people who appreciate your work. It’s just sad if those jobs don’t pay well because I know it’s a lot of work and it’s also a competitive field. Hope you can make your own small studio or market yourself well. Jobs are all about connections and networking, so make sure you get out there and meet people and collaborate. My best friend and her husband have been working for about 8-9 years trying to break into the video gaming industry (they want to create video games and make their own studio and bring that type of business to our city located in Midwest part of US). Right now it seems like everything goes to California and I think it’s a missed opportunity. I wish big businesses would start expanding their operations to other states that have creative talents too. Anyways, keep networking and good luck to your creative pursuits.
A Cooper thank you for the encouragement!! I do think people miss out on many opportunities by automatically gunning for places like Cali and the big studios, while not thinking of aiming for smaller studios that are scattered around. I mean, even bigger names are in other states AND countries. Laika’s studio is located in Oregon of all places, and Bethesda Softworks is located in Maryland! I’m an optimist, but I also understand the competitive nature of the field I’ve chosen, so I’m gonna keep working hard to make my way in the industry however I can through networking and so forth. And Good luck to your friend and her husband!! I hope they’re able to achieve their dream of building up their own game studio.
Blue Panda I’m studying animation at UMBC, which, funny enough, is a primarily STEM-focused school. However, I do feel like I’m getting a good education in the arts, and I’m saving a lot of money doing so. So don’t feel like you have to go to some big art school in order to get a good art education! While networking may be a big tougher at times, it’s all about the effort you put into it and how much you put yourself out there!
This is why into the spider verse is the best representation of the idea of spider-man; he's a comic book hero and that can't really be captured in live action
But they can
Yeah but the fact that they felt the need to make him black 🙄
Wavvy its literally based off a comic set in a different universe where said character is black. its not even peter parker, its a completely different character. y u so mad
Wavvy In the comic book story it told that the character was supposed to be black, and besides people are tired of the same white characters in movies and tv series
Wavvy you’re an imbecile. You obviously didn’t watch the movie
I’m studying traditional 2D animation and I have to say it is EXTREMELY difficult
We have to greatly respect the work of those people who made such masterpieces
When you said "Animation might just be the purest form of cinematic storytelling." I just remembered that Irzykowski, an early film critic said something similar in "The Tenth Muse" back in 1924:
"When the future of the normal film belongs to the engineers of matter (the human body and the body of nature), then the future of the cartoon film belongs to the painter-poet. And it is only the possibilities of the latter movie that guarantee the cinema its artfulness. [...] For the normal film is a temporary substitute of a painted movie. To disregard a cartoon because a photographic film already exists would be as absurd as to abandon painting because the mechanism of photography was invented."
exactly.
That comment is spot on
That is truly beautiful
this video perfectly describes why i'm an animator
Love you
Good luck with that. I'm striving to be one too and it'll be a lot of work and barely any pay :/
Lol passion won't stop us though :D
OMIGOD QWERTS I DIDN'T EXPEC TO SEE YOU HERE =0 But honestly same
I love love love animation and you were able to articulate my “why”.
Idk how many people here watch tv cartoons regularly but if you wanna see some of the best things in animation right now, watch The Wonderful World Of Gumball. The production team is able to seamlessly blend so many styles of animation and film making into each 11-minute episode and they're able to push so many boundaries with the wonderfully designed characters and worlds they've created.
Gumball is in my top three favourite cartoons. I love how well the different mediums blend together.
10:27 Rest in Peace to the 33 animators who died in the Kyoto fire :'(
I stand by my words that Disney's Tarzan still has some of the best animation setpieces I've seen. The baboon chase scene was so complex, and let's not forget Tarzan's complex movements during the music montage of his growth with the song "Son of Man".
Animation and art style wise tarzan, treasure planet, Lilo and stitch, emperor's new groove, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, and Atlantis are some of my all time favorite Disney movies
Don’t forget the fight with the tiger. The lights in that scene were so complicated. And that is all hand drawn. Frame by frame.
@@konfu_ion There was no tiger in Tarzan. You mean the leopard?
@@runbaa9285 Yeah, most likely that is the scene I'm referencing. I haven't watched that movie in a real long time.
I agree with all of this. I also hate how underpaid the animators are. Some people don't realize how much work it is to animate a few minutes of screen time.
Someone asked me what my favourite movie was the other day and for some reason it didn’t even come to mind to consider that animated movies could be in that category even though that’s where my favourites all are.
Exactly, it's weird how often we can disregard it.
Interesting. This made me rethink my favourite movies for a sec, haha (though it didn't change and they are still all live action ones). Just curious,did your list of favourites change at all after realizing this?
Probably half of my favourite TV shows are animated though, and I've never thought twice about that, despite the weird looks I've gotten sometimes, or the handful of times I've actually had to defend those choices to other adults.
aerialpunk I don’t really have a favourite movie I just have a group of movies I enjoy more than others. I quite like Hackshaw Ridge, and I quite like spirited away. But I don’t know if those are my favourite movies. The movie I have loved for the longest time would be the lion king though, spent a significant amount of my childhood watching it and performed it as a musical in high school. I have to agree with you on animated tv though, most of my favourites are definitely animated there.
I hate live action adaptations of animated films. It never ever turns out well. The idea behind the practice is literally just "How to suck all the soul out of a piece of art and make a quick buck while doing it" in my opinion. They never take the bad/mediocre animated movies to do it and try to "reimagine" them, retell them in a better way, because of course they wouldn't. They always take the masterpieces that don't need to be retold, don't need to be reimagined because they're near-perfect as is because it's literally ONLY about making money! And animation, specifically old animation, has a much higher likelihood of being great than any live action films because of how much work goes into them and therefore thought. Thought being the driving force behind quality in art.
domino2515 they are trash
Well, it has always been about the money.
They are ok, but I'm getting bored of hearing "jshfkskabe is going to have a live action". Like, that's the only thing I've heard in the last couple years.
I'm so bored I started remaking Frozen in 2D with my friends just for fun.
Are they out of ideas? Can I watch a new movie now?
@@Sinister727 no u
@@naolucillerandom5280 hey where can I watch the 2d Frizen you're making
This was a great video on the subject!
Animation is my favorite medium because it enables artists and storytellers to tell stories in a way that would be impossible to transmit in real life. Art, in general, seeks more an essence of reality than reality itself.
And with the animation, artists are able to bring an essence to life.
In The Lion King, for example, some artists of the project went to Africa to do some research for the movie. And their goal after the trip was to know how to convey the Africa they visited to the audience. Not what they saw exactly, but what they felt when they were there.
And the result was a great movie that brings a great visual experience to the audience.
We have so many movies these days that would look so good with animation.
But with many people seeing animation as something that it's only for kids, we have many films with excessive effects and CGI that will probably be dated in a few years.
Animation is a language that has the ability to tell any story and do whatever you want, and therefore deserves more recognition of the market and the audience.
@@darkfyraproductions7958 imagine every single live action movie as animation. Hell fuck it just get rid of live action all together. Who what's the inferior medium, right??
We've reached the point where a hand-drawn feature film would feel like a novel invention in this day and age. I'm completely aware CGI animation takes a pain-staking amount of work too, but...
*man am I sick of seeing it*
While I do appreciate what VFX and CGI can do I do in fact think that we need more variety in film here in the west.
me too!!!
It's not CGI alone that's the problem. It's the fact that no one is doing anything creative with it even though it opens up so many possibilities. Into the Spider-Verse was probably the only CGI movie that I watched that actually looked different.
Same, they all look too similar when they're all 3D, Spider-verse was a breath of fresh air, despite still being 3D, but it would be even better to get a big company doing a 2D animated film released in cinemas like we used to have.
@@chrisossu2070 Agreed. I want to see more boundaries being pushed on the big screen. Maybe it comes down to all the animation studios being afraid to take the risk of making something look different and have it fail because it's not familiar (even though some could definitely afford to take risks).
In 5 years the Lion King remake will age like milk where the original ages like a fine wine
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Couldn’t agree with you more. Live action is great for grounding your film in reality and can create a sense of relatability even in the most bizarre circumstances. But live action can never hope to compete with animation's ability of abstraction.
Live action builds empathy through relatability, by showing you the world the characters live in, while animation builds empathy through representation, by showing you how the world feels to the characters.
Couldn't have put it better myself!
Center Row Thanks. I have practice, I did an essay for my English class on it. Loved the video. Your channel is quite underrated.
@@thegeekclub8810 Thanks! Feel free to share with your friends or on social media!
@@CenterRow wait what. You made the opposite argument in the video. That animation often feels more real than live action. You walking back on that now
@@weirdo3116 how?
Yeah...this is 100% correct, except for one thing. The UP opening scene COULD NOT have been done in live-action as the animators specifically used colours and framing techniques to convey the emotions behind each scene that could not have possibly been fully replicated in live-action.
You realize that "live action" was animated right?
It would still be nice to see a live action version of those first few minutes. like someones interpretation of it
also, given carl and ellie age about 70 years during the sequence, no amount of makeup would have made that look this good.
As a old school clean up artist I really appreciate the recognition you give everyone who busts their butts bringing animated movies, shows and games to life. It can feel like you’re doing brain surgery at times but, it’s worth it when you see it completed.
We love our work and are proud of it. We just hope everyone out there enjoys it.
Imagine being an animator who loves their job, who worked hard to pay their studies and you have finally graduated. You're ambitious about all things animation and you wish to be on a major project.
But then you end up working on some cash grab shit like the Emoji Movie.
man when i was younger i thought the emoi movie was good
@@wokk9543 Well you were young; you couldn't tell at that time.
I'll always prefer animated versions over "live action" remakes. Animation is art in and of itself. When I watch an animated movie or cartoon, whether it's traditional 2D animation or Pixar style, I always love to appreciate how good all the art and animation looks. It is part of the experience.
Thats interesting. Because the new lion king is 100% animated like the original. Do people not know what that word means?
Post Rock Mixes which is why I put “live action” in quotation marks. I understand the movie is fully animated, but the hyperrealism takes away from the charm by trying to emulate the way things look in real life. It’s just not the same
Finally someone understands, I'm 19 and I prefer animation over live action.
I'm 3 and prefer animation....Oh wait lol
I'm 26 and liked both animation and live action films at the same time. But I also am a little aware of how underappreciated animation (especially hand-drawn) seems to feel by comparison.
17(Will turn 18 tomorrow) same.
Yess
@@axolotl2686 happy birthday
If you think about it, many of these live action reboots are basically animated films anyway if you account for all the CGI that's in them.
Which makes them feel more pointless and inferior
Disneys dinosaur did it so much better than lion king 2019 and that was 20 years ago
(+Q) I would say that CGI definitely IS becoming more realistic and seamless over time, but you only notice the bad CGI. Everyone talks about how great the practical effects in Mad Max: Fury Road are, but ignore all the CGI in the movie. And nobody even realized that many of the super-suits in Endgame were CGI, like the white Ant Man suits. Even Iron Man’s suit has been primarily CGI for the entirety of the MCU. The thing is, the better they do with CGI, the less recognition they get because people won’t realize that it’s all computer generated.
Q It’s used as a crutch but there are improvements. Thanos is incredible to the point you genuinely feel like he’s a physical being interacting with the other characters. They recreated 1982 Sean Young in Blade Runner 2049 and it’s uncanny purely because I know she isn’t that age anymore - but the effect is amazing to the point that those who didn’t know wouldn’t be able to tell.
@marianne mccrank Yep it is entirely animated film.
I wish animators were treated respect and recognition they deserve.
At least we treat them with respect, right?
I was born and raised in Orlando (yes I saw the Mouse when born) so Disney was always apart of my life so I wanted to be an animator when I grew up. But I didn't truly know how much hard work it was until I had to take a class which I failed twice!
Drawing is an art itself but drawing fluid movement is mind boggling yet these psychos happily do it for years. RESPECT THE CRAFT!
"Animation is thought to be for kids"
Japan: Hold my sake
No, really. The whole mindset of "animation is for kids" thing is purely a western mindset. And yeah call me a weeb or whatever, but ever since falling in love with anime back in the early 90's, I've grown to despise the mindset that "cartoons are for kids" because it's simply not true, and it CAN be changed here in the west if we use a more serious approach to animated movies. Stop "live-actioning" adult-themed things that can and do look better animated, and freaking ANIMATE the thing! Like, look at this year's Battle Angel Alita. yeah, the main character is animated, so is like 90% of the movie, but it's meant to emulate reality. If they stylized it and animated to look like say, "Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse" but just emulating the style of the original manga and anime, the movie could have been much more amazing. (Alita wasn't bad, I liked it. I just prefer the manga and anime OVA's)
Like come on, Dragonball Evolution????
Some things can be live-action, and some things can be animated. But we shouldn't force one into the other.
exactly!!! anime is far superior to anything western animation has brought till now. But ignorant people wont even consider watching them even once.
@@4uDudes in all fairness Anime has actually grown just as bad as Cartoons have with few exceptions. Where there are a small abundance of good cartoons these days there's an overabundance of crap rehashed anime. The anime market is flooded with animes that have stiffer animation and frame rates with characters that look the same as other characters from other anime. So really the eastern market is in just as much peril as the western market
@@ratchetexperience8379 you do have a point.. but still every year you could find around 30-50 quality anime out which around 10 will be so freakin amazing... But you cants say the same about Western animation.. there are no option , there are choices... Being an anime fan you never run out of good anime to watch...
@@ratchetexperience8379 this year itself :- attackontitan , mob psyco 100, one punch man 2, my hero academia , haikyuu , Jojo part 5 , shield hero and many more is released.. just few of many...
@@4uDudes I heard the overall quality of OPM significantly dropped in season 2. And I also heard some people dropped both Attack on Titan and BNHA.
This was beautifully done. It really shows how much us animators work our asses off. I am a one-man team, and it takes a tremendous amount of work, but I love every second of it. Others just don't understand how hard we work, yet never get the pay that we deserve. Anyways....nice job on this video. 🙌
Yes. Yes. I agree. Thank you. Animation has been so looked down upon for years, it needs to finally be respected.
Yup animation and puppetry
I'm an animation student. My class , as a joke, decided to watch circle of life on the animated and then -CGI animated- live action and compare them. The -CGI- was jarring, confusing, and pitiful in comparison. So, thanks for this dose of appreciation for my media. Hopefully it doesn't slip off into obscurity by the time I'm hireable
I still prefer 2D animations the best, it’s the real work of art.
Thank you japan for still making it ♥️
But do you like some CGI like Pixar or Walt Disney Studios stuff like Coco, Wreck it Ralph and Zootopia?
@@Johnlindsey289 YES. finally someone talks about coco, i dont care if animation is 3d or 2d, it should just be on the same level as live actions movies.
Japan uses cgi too.
@@Johnlindsey289 or something like Wallace and Gromit?
@@mc.gemstone True, but they mostly do 2D, wonderful works of art. And that's not really the point of this comment, it's not like the person who commented this said that Japan only does 2D animation.
I saw all of these in theaters. But...BEAUTY AND THE BEAST is the film that exploded my mind and wanted me to pursue being an animator.
Mines was Treasure Planet till this day I look back at it and still love how amazing it is.
@@ryushin6 The animation in that film is incredible.
Laika, by the way, is *criminally* underappreciated and it breaks my heart more than you can know that they're making less and less money off of their films.
People.
Go see stop motion in theater.
Please.
FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO THINKS LAIKA IS EXTREMELY UNDERRATED 😭😭
I Get Scared By Watching Coraline
Laika should just work with Netflix so that people can actually see those films instead of Laika seeing those films flop at the box office.
Great watch. Opened my eyes to myself even overlooking animated films.
I cried watching this.
It hurts me to my very core how underappreciated animation is and how people think loving animation is "immature".
I wish more people would understand and support this.
I feel you,man. Another thing that gets me really hard is how, because I'm an adult, I'm not supposed to find jokes funny if kids can also understand them, or to find emotional themes moving if kids can also be moved by them. People look down on animated "kids' movies" as if, because it's aimed at kids, there's something wrong with am adult being moved by the sisterly love in Frozen, the sense of adventure in Moana, or how Azula's story arc ended in Avatar. I genuinely don't understand how people can think that way.
Lord Hater says it best
“Animation is so hard, people who do this for a living deserve more credit and respect”
I remember that! Best line from a very underappreciated series quickly forgotten...
Speaking of Wander Over Yonder villains, thank God Lord Dominator made PhantomStrider's list of "Top 10 Most Powerful Animated Women" along with Twilight Sparkle (however, what makes the list flawed is that Strider could have put the Mane 6 on the list), Maleficent (much more so than Princess Aurora), Wonder Woman, Toph (wait, if PhantomStrider is aware that she's mega powerful, then she could be more than an honorable mention, which there could be a lot of on this list because a lot of characters were missing from this list and I could talk with PhantomStriser himself about this) and Marceline & Princess Bubblegum on the list. But what makes the choices look not as good as they could've been is when a Frozen character and a post-Avatar: The Last Airbender franchise character was on the list. "Don't underestimate those amazing, powerful young women!"?! More like "Don't overestimate those bratty teenage women! EVE in WALL·E and the Disney Renaissance women are way stronger!!!!!"!!
In psychology and observation of child development specifically relating to art... I feel like, as an artist, I can say this with at least some modicum of confidence... A child, innocent and full of life, views the world with open eyes and sees the beauty and the vibrancy of the world. You look at a child's drawings and there are strong saturated colors. A vivid blue sky, a beaming yellow sun, green trees and grass... you name it. When we grow up and learn to draw more intricate drawings and we base it more and more on reality, instead of the impression we get of reality...
When you look at these fantastical, vibrant animated movies you get to see what a child sees. Strong vibrant colors and expressive body language and facial mimicry.
When you look at the live action rendition of the same movie, you can't help but to see how cold and dim the world looks like in comparison.
Animation in its essence should be caricature, or an exaggeration of reality.
As an art student that is currently studying animation/ 3d modeling, I'm quickly learning how difficult it is to get things to look exactly as I want it to. You have to be very imaginative. So these teams are full of amazing people who don't get enough praise for their work.