Horizontal Tire Balancing Without an HF bubble balancer
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ย. 2022
- Before you get all excited, this method will not work on all wheels. See edits in text below
(Edit: I figured out why here • Tire Horizontal Ball B... )
It depends where the CG of the wheel assy is, relative to the glass ball in use.
I have another video that will show you how to determine the CG of a wheel.
• How to find a Wheel CG...
(Edit 2: I did eventually figure out all the geometry issues and show that in these videos
• Horizontal Laser Car W...
• Tire Horizontal Ball B...
Got a 2.5 inch steel ball and hub centric rings to fit larger hubs)
I was really upset with how poor the Harbor Freight bubble balancer is and needed another method to balance wheels. The HF balancer got me to 65MPH before wheel vibes set in. Not good.
I developed a way to balance the wheels vertically using a wheel bearing hub, but it is not cheap, tricky to do and only works on wheels that fit that particular hub. But the method does work. Smooth rides at freeway speeds now.
• Car Tire Vertical Bala...
I was then contacted by a mystery person in the UK who showed me another method, so I thought I would give it a go. This is my version of his idea. For some it can be a cost effective way to balance your wheels. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Mulțumesc. Din tot ce am vizionat pină acum, ești cel mai bun!
Thank you. It has been a long learning curve and I am actually doing 2 tires today for a Kia Soul. I will try to video everything, capture tips and keep it short (hard).
Current best balancing video th-cam.com/video/JvN4i-qJqMs/w-d-xo.html
Google translate:
Mulțumesc. A fost o curbă lungă de învățare și de fapt fac 2 anvelope astăzi pentru o Kia Soul. Voi încerca să filmez totul, să surprind sfaturi și să o fac scurt (greu).
Cel mai bun videoclip actual de echilibrare
Very interesting and original, thank you)
I think it was me who messaged you, i forgot to make my video public, so i just did it now. I used the same method again today with success, i changed my tyre and didnt bother to balance which caused an annoying wobble over 60mph. I use hard ABS sheet, a ceramic tile or mirror would be a good option.
Yes, great video! Got me inspired, thank you!
There were a few problems I came across that I very slowly solved...
1. The ball and the resting surface have to be fairly hard - Now I have a steel ball and plate
2. The CG of the wheel/tire assy must be below the CG of the ball - For stability
3. The resting surface has to be level, to eliminate induced errors
4. For large wheel pilots, use hub centric ring(s) to reduce the pilot down to suit the ball size.
The useless bubble balancer is now a paper weight in the shed.
The largest tires I have done now were on a GM silverado truck. My sons father in law was complaining the wheel was bouncing up and down at 60mph - so I did a check balance when I took it off. It was way out. previously balanced by a large chain store over here (Discount tire)
th-cam.com/video/gGv5MUxbQ3c/w-d-xo.html
I had trouble getting the new tire beads to seat, so I forgot to record the balance with new tires on. But the laser balancing worked great. No complaints at freeway/motorway speeds.
Saw this later on, after finally getting the tires on. I thought there must be an easier and cheaper way
th-cam.com/video/cHuyseqOUHw/w-d-xo.html
I have small inner tubes ready and waiting.
Brilliant, I wanted to see what others were doing. I hung mine off the ceiling with a small plastic cone on the hub side centering the string, a peace of mdf on top with a hole in the exact center and a small two way level. Whole thing cost me probably less then 3$ and no vibration at all
Thanks, although not my original idea. Adapted it from a couple of others who were doing a similar thing.
I have seen a video with funnel and string suspension method. The trick is to get the wheel perpendicular to the cone, something the HF bubble balancer couldn't do.
Are you using the MDF above the wheel to put the 2 way level on?
I have found that most tires do not need a lot of weight added to balance them.
The tires I just put on my sons car had no "yellow dots" (light spot marking) I added between 1/2oz and 1oz of weights on each one. No vibes at 75mph
@@richbinaz yes I used a vernier, held very steady (one jaw touching the string on the same point at all times) and spun the wheel to center the string to the rim. the 6" by 6" peace of square mdf was drilled exactly in the middle (I really don't think that matters because it's so light) and placed on top of the rim to make the surface flat. The two way level (×and y) sits on top. The whole thing is hung from the ceiling by a hook at chair hight. Your absolutely right you don't need allot of weight. The rims had the old weights from previous professional balancing and I used half the weight with larger, heavier and cheaper tires. No vibration at all only took it up to 140 kmh Because cops like to hang out by my town and I didn't have any donuts 😕
@@666ImI666 Your method clearly works with no vibes at speed. Well done. 👍
The stick on weights I just took off (professionally balanced) were about double what I added. And made of lead, which is bad for the environment. Only one wheel had an extra rim weight for dynamic balance. I think it was the one that had a dent in the alloy rim. Still no vibes.
I have to wonder how accurate balancing needs to be, when the contact patch flattens the tire and makes it out of balance??
@@richbinaz thanks, i appreciate the feed back and I'm sure it starts to matter at some point or speed 🤷♂️ I figure centrifugal forces at very high speeds push the tire out shrinking the contact patch significantly but that's beyond my scope of knowledge I just know they have a speed ratings for a reason
Just yesterday, I drilled a bigger hole in my Amazon bubble balancer where the point of the pin sits in, this made a massive improvement, now just barley touch the balancer and it’ll rock back and forth for at least 15 minutes.
You may have seen my other videos where I try and get the bubble balancer to work. In the end, the one I have is to flawed to be useful. Multiple problems.
th-cam.com/video/an6sURvUhBA/w-d-xo.html
There are links in text under the video to the other videos. In the end I went with vertical wheel balancing - similar to what I do for motorcycle tires. A 2 step process.
th-cam.com/video/wJ4Auia2C1Q/w-d-xo.html (2:18)
and then at this time in the same video
th-cam.com/video/wJ4Auia2C1Q/w-d-xo.html (6:20)
@@richbinaz I have seen some of your other videos. I got the idea from DIY VINNY on Utube, about drilling out the pin seat. I have a static spin balancer for my motorcycle tires IF I don’t use beads. The bubble balancer suits my DIY needs and now it’s better than before.
Thank you the video, I’ll have to check out the laser. I have a HF bubble balancer and sightly drilled the hole bigger where the point of the rod fits into and this made a massive improvement but I’m also experimenting with a static spin balancer that I’m making for car / truck tires. It’s a spin balancer like for motorcycle tires.
Just realized I’ve done commented once here. But also, that link to another guys balancing video where he uses a threaded rod works just OK. That rod and cones are from No Mar brand. That causes too much resistance and you won’t be able to get consistent results, I know because I have one and tried that rod and cones on 3 different spin balancers with a truck tire and motorcycle tire. A solid smooth axle rod is much better.
Hi, the laser is quite good - tested it on a wall with a 4 foot spirit level, it does project a horizontal line. My HF bubble balancer is now a paperweight in the back garden shed. It just came with too many flaws. th-cam.com/video/an6sURvUhBA/w-d-xo.html
I swapped to vertical balancing for car tires, using a modified hub and that seems to be working out much better. The only drawback is each hub fits only one pitch circle of studs
th-cam.com/video/du5cTMqpIhY/w-d-xo.html
So for my sons XB, which has 4 studs, I think I will be using the glass ball for him. The hubs are tricky to adjust to get them to spin freely.
I did see a video where a guy was doing a vertical balance using No-Mar cones on an Acme threaded shaft. Had to reverse one cone to get them to fit.
I use 2 saw horses for motorbike wheels & a 2 step process to reduce the weight needed
th-cam.com/video/wJ4Auia2C1Q/w-d-xo.html step 1
th-cam.com/video/wJ4Auia2C1Q/w-d-xo.html step 2
@@richbinaz I’m going to get a laser and experiment with it. As I mentioned, the rod and cones he used are from No Mar, I have them and the cones work great but the rod no so much, too inconsistent results. I’m getting a 16mm smooth rod and going to try and make it possibly work with the No Mar cones, but again, the rod in my opinion just works OK. A Smooth Rod is the best way for manual spin balancing.
@@workharddieproud
I wonder if the rod has an acme thread???
www.google.com/search?q=acme+thread+dimensions&rlz=1C1CHNQ_en___US557&oq=acme+thread&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0i512l6j69i59j0i512l2.77462090j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
It should be pretty round on the OD unlike a standard UNC thread and should run on a pair of bearing OD's at each end.
Can you just use the wheel axle?? or does it have different diameters at each end?
@@workharddieproud 'the rod in my opinion just works OK'
Get 2 or 3 bearings, and stack them on each side, instead of just single bearings. If you have enough of the thread surface against bearing surface, it won't really matter that the rod is threaded.
You could get 608 bearings. Use 3 stacked where each of the 4 single bearings would be. Probably as cheap or even cheaper than good larger bearings, and should take the load and be easier to make the stand part.
Check out the mcFarlane wheel balancer. This is a suspension type balancer as used in the small aviation industry. The parts are easy to make yourself with a 3d printer and it works a charm. I use it on motorcycle tires but the principle stays the same. since its hanging from the ceiling it removes any alignment errors from the setup and takes almost no place to store.
That is an interesting balancer, which won't work on most car wheels due to the lack of bearings in the wheel hub. Would have to come up with another method of centering the wheel.
The "CG of the wheel" problem is overcome by having the telescoping tube lift up so the point the wire touches the small hole thru the bottom end is above the CG. This provides a correcting moment to the wheel, while it is out of balance. Then the wire can be centered in the upper hole for static balance.
The tire they show in the usage instructions is quite wide compared to the outside tire diameter and there may be dynamic balance problems. Probably best to use a proper balance machine that can do both.
One of my goals was to find a cheap device and method that most people could make and use without costing more that about $100... roughly the cost of installing and balancing 4 tires at discount tire co.
For static balance, this my go to method... th-cam.com/video/du5cTMqpIhY/w-d-xo.html
You don't need bearings, a mounting plate on the rims outside will do just fine, just make sure that you get the pivot point somewhere halfway the rims height. I use a bowden cable (3mm) to suspend the wheel. If you look at the drawing you can see that the pivot point is not the same as the cable mounting point.
The nice thing about the ball is, it self centers on the wheel pilot. So no special mechanisms like the HF bubble balancer has to try and find it - HF failed BTW@@dutchsailor6620
Using the glass ball is the brilliant part of this method. Like jan voss with steel ball but he has a very hard steel surface to rest the ball on. Maybe you rest the ball on a thick piece of clear glass or a super glossy piece of rectified floor tile.
The horizontal laser is brilliant in theory but how do you know if it's DEAD Level? It has bubble levels itself.
I have not tried this but when the wheel stops turning after first weights and close to TRUE but you can still see a slight incline, would it work to VERY gently pour some antifreeze (need alcohol base) into the wheel gulley to exaggerate the incline as will run to the lowest point? Add lightest weights and repeat.
Hi Shane. I would have bought a steel ball, but the glass ball was cheaper and I wasn't sure that this experiment was going to work at all, so I was keeping the amount of investment $$$'s to a minimum. It's also why I started with softer base materials before putting it on the aluminum plate. Steel on steel is probably best.
I checked the laser by projecting the beam onto a wall and checking the green line it made with a 4 foot spirit level. It was as good as the spirit level.
The laser has a limited amount of internal movement, much like the tilt mechanism on a pinball machine. If the box strays to far from horizontal, it goes into "tilt mode" and beeps. Handy.
I'm not sure how accurately the tire needs to be balanced, I think the 1/4oz stick on weights I use now would be the limiting case. After all, the flattening of the tire at the contact point with the road must have some effect, but how much?? who knows??
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put the red dot thats on the tire line it up with the valve stem
Wonder if a section of thicker sheet glass would do to rest the ball on....usually 100% flat.
Yes, a harder surface works better - that was all part of the experiment.
I ended up getting a steel electrical cover plate for $1. Works well and the glass ball hasn't broken yet under the weight of the wheel. I thought it might with more of a point loading, which glass doesn't like.
not the yellow dot, (the RED DOT)
Wonder if a glass ball can be as perfect as a steel ball which was made as a ball bearing.
It's claimed to have good optical properties for use with cameras, and it does appear to be quite round.
The biggest problem with glass is point loading it on a hard surface
Where do you get a glass sphere like that?
I got the 80mm glass ball on amazon, but i found out it was to big for the alloy wheel I tried to balance at the end of the video.
I ended up getting a 2 1/2 inch steel ball from amazon, which does a better job, specially coupled with a simple steel plate I picked up from home depot. Try this video
th-cam.com/video/JvN4i-qJqMs/w-d-xo.html
There is one downside of the steel ball in that it doesn't fit some of the larger wheels with bigger pilots. To solve that issue, I got some plastic centric rings and was able to use them on a CX5, Kia soul and even 2 together on a Silverado 1500.
th-cam.com/video/gGv5MUxbQ3c/w-d-xo.html
The centric rings I got were 67mm to 60mm & 78mm to 67.1mm
did any one every try to figure out how the electrocution balance worked with out checking it out on you tube lol
Can you tell us the Brand and Model of the laser pls?
Sure, I got it from Amazon. It's a Bekoywoy brand, here's the link
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09QL2V8WV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
and currently is US$36
There are many similar ones on the website. The self leveling worked great. It beeps if it isn't level.
Balancing this way worked on the steel wheels, but not the alloy wheels.
The glass ball also came from Amazon. I picked a glass 3 inch (80mm) ball as it was cheaper, but a billiard ball can work if the 2.25 inch (57mm) diameter fits the wheel pilot.
The best choice is a steel ball. Amazon has those too.
For a steel ball, I would pick a diameter that would give you a contact angle of between 30° to 45° from horizontal. A lower contact angle makes the wheel more stable on the level surface.
The 80mm I picked gave about a 45° angle on my wheels, as seen here...
th-cam.com/video/a4Ox_Emh7Ew/w-d-xo.html
I like this guys version too - just need accurate hole size to match threaded rod
th-cam.com/video/dAM6lrBOHOQ/w-d-xo.html
must be a scale and calculator