Biggest Mistake, HOW to Balance Car tires at home, You can't DO IT, Final ANSWER, MYTH BUSTED
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มี.ค. 2018
- MYTH busted , you can't do it , and here is why.
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I should consider myself lucky then, I recently mounted all 4 tires for both my cares using the harbor freight manual tire changer. After mounting them I put the wheels on my car and planned to go get the wheels balanced but I haven't had a single vibration or any steering wheel shakes just rides smooth as ever with no weights at all.
I almost always get it right with my Harbor Freight Manual Tire Changer and Bubble Balancer on my street cars. I routinely check by taking the vehicle between 55-80 mph and increasing speed slowly.
What tool can you then use as mobile wheels balancing service ?
Some say that you could use mobile phone balancing application along with this tool
Is your garage floor pitched? You want to do that on a level ground as possible without having to adjust the screws on that.
Many factors to vibration. Brake rotors, suspension and mud or foreign item stuck in the wheels. My opinion, Bubble balancer is close enough for most people cars driving below 80 miles/ he.
Close enough yes .. but still really annoying to have even the slightest vibration at 75
My shop balanced tires vibrates a lot lol
Try 8 foot horizontal pipe with bearing race near each end. Fit wheel vertical clamped onto one end and carefully centred. Clamp down the bearing near the wheel to a solid support. Turn the wheel and whole pipe turns also. Fit a Spring Scale to the other bearing and watch the weight change as the unbalanced wheel turns. Move wheel weights around until the scale shows constant weight while you hand spin the wheel. This is crudely how a real dynamic shop machine works.
Another issue is that some rims are hub-centric and others are lug-centric. Using the center opening of a lug-centric rim to balance the wheel leads to problems. Professional shops that know their business use pin plates at the lug holes to properly support lug-centric rims. High-end old-school static balancers came with multiple mounting plates for this purpose.
Correction, you cant do it.. you. You cant do it..
I did not get great results from my bubble balancer. So I went to task and as I suspected it was not centring the wheel properly on the balancer. I now get it spot on and never have vibration but I probably have a new product on my hands so can't share the details right now. I created the Trackace laser wheel alignment system so I have a good logical mind, simplicity is key and I am surprised the system I have discovered for balancing is not already out there, then my laser wheel alignment system wasn't out there so I shouldn't really be surprised but I am cos how can I come up with new solutions for 2 different aspects of car maintenance when I am just a DIY mechanic.
I was told that most new tires have a colored dot on the sidewall of the tire and you want to align that dot with the valve stem, supposedly this is the best mounting spot for best chance of being balanced right upon mounting the tire.
I just thought of a way to level the tire perfectly with the pool ball. You need a tub (larger than the tire) to hold water. A tiny kiddy pool would work great. Place the pool ball on top of something (small platform) in the center of the tub. Place tire on pool ball. Now, fill the water until it is just about to touch the lowest side of the tire. While bubble balancers themselves will never be perfect, water itself will always be PERFECTLY level. Always. Place weights as needed and raise the water level a bit if needed. Bonus: since you are checking the "levelness" against the sidewall of the tire, you are increasing the measured distance of the "levelness" and hence - getting a more accurate result. SIDENOTE: mobile home setup crews and people who move entire houses use water in a hose to level out entire homes. So, YES - water is very accurate to use as a measurement against gravity.
Good idea, I like it, problem is that getting the level reading it's the hard part
I have to say, this idea seems BRILLIANT to me, and I greatly appreciate the comment. However, perhaps I'm missing something, but tires full of air do in fact float, and I'm thinking that what you've come up with is in fact even simpler than you suggest. Why not just fill the kiddie pool about halfway, put the tire/wheel in the pool, and let it settle out until everything is calm. Put your little bullseye level, possibly mounted at the exact center of a lightweight plastic coffee can lid, (so it spans the center hole of the wheel), right in the center of the assembly, and then proceed to add weights as needed until the floating tire is leveled out? Am I missing something here? I'm thinking that I'm pretty astounded at how simply this would be implemented. No bases holding pointy sticks, etc. None of that is needed as I see it. WOWEE!!
Except now that I've read and viewed some videos about putting anti-freeze in the tire instead of messing with ANY other leveling, I think I'm going to do that!
@@hunginmud your missing the fact that the tire isn't sitting in the water. I'm guessing. That's the only way it makes sense. The tire or teetering on top of the pool ball. The sidewall and top of pool ball is sitting above the water. The Hard part is getting a measurement with this process. Youd have a hell of a time holding a ruler or tape under the tire while trying to look under to get a reading. All while trying not to disturb the water. There is a better way to do it using water. Look up water level. Make yourself one of those. With a 4 way coupling to connect the 4ends together. It would be about as accurate as you can get.
@@mikeyd717 What do you think about the balancing beads? I've found that Advance, O'Reilly's, NAPA, all the big players do sell them, and I'm pretty sure I'm just going to do that. I went to Dunhams and got a 5Lb jug of BB's for about $15, and I'm thinking of loading each tire with about 6 Oz of them. Apparently, within reason, you can't really overfill them, just have to have enough weight that it can counteract all imbalance. I admit I'm skeptical -- have spent about an hour watching videos, etc. and I see that there are some naysayers out there.
Your right ! With a bubble leveler or even a ball leveler that is still not as good as an spin balancer . A ball lever or a bubble lever gets the tire level but only static level not harmonically level like a spin leveler . I look at it this way ! A balance lever is like leveling in 2 diminutions and with a spin balancer is like balancing in 3 diminutions .
I also like to add that the smaller tires you have like a 10 inch tire or even a 13 inch tire it dont matter that much . but if your balancing a larger tire it get a little bit critical .
How do you know the tires were balanced right from the tire shop you think about that some shops are not good
you still can balance your tires at home, even you want to achieve 100% perfection, but the road condition will always not perfect. and that will compromise your 100% effort, so you still can balance your tyres at home
yep, with the state of our roads in England balancing is unnecessary as the whole car shakes over the ridiculous amount of potholes. the roads need na MOT.
You are the pickiest and smartest guy i've met in youtube answering every potential problem i wanted to know answer of before throwing money away.
Thanks !
Thanks man, not that many people appreciate my work, it's too advanced.. Glad you are smart enough to be able to use it
i have installed a few tires in my own yard. i have never balanced one or moved the weight that was already on there. none of them have shuddered, pulled or other things often associated with an unbalanced tire. i get normal tire wear and no cupping so i am thinking that the new tires are balanced pretty close and those weights were for the wheels and not the tires.
i have two tires to install in the next day or two, depending on the weather. i also just ordered four for my truck so will be installing them in about a week. i road test them after installing and if there is any hint of being out of balance i will find ways to correct it.
the point is check your tires before assuming they need balancing.
Why would you install tires in your yard? Wouldn't they be better on a vehicle?
Bubble balance is a static balance. The same type of static balance on a machine… if you balance dynamic, than depending it may negate the static balance and not come true on a bubble… this is why if you dynamic balance a tire, then switch the machine to static, it will require some weight
Good to know
Put the ball underneath your bubble balancer and then put your tire on top of it as you would normally you get what I'm saying well anyway the opening at the bottom of its one and one half inches you can buy a steel bar bearing for it do that with a bolt but use the bubble balancer top
Suggest GLUE the ball to the bolt. How can you rotate the tires unless the ball stays on the bolt? Maybe drill the bolt head or a 25 x75 mm metal flat instead.
It will drive you CRASY!!!
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This is my wifes car x'D
INteresting my car when i put winter tires i dont balance tires and i dont hawe eny vibrations . max speed when i test been 140 kmh and its not vibrate for now i drive 4 moths and hawe 20000km and all is perfect
if the tire was balanced on the rim you should be good, if the tire is new, and didnt get balanced, it will vibrate the hell out of the steering . so i dont really now what to say , buti can def feel Vibrations when i drive and i only go like 120kph max or 75 mph
Big mistake. You may not perceive vibrations but they are there and damaging your car. Such an inexpensive service will prevent expensive repair cost.
@@motorhead16 bla bla drive 1400000km no balanced no problems at all
@@rihs335 me the same. I've change many tires on many different vehicles and as long as the rim or tire isn't damaged or defective then theres never been vibration or bad tire wear. I run over sized mud tires on my truck to. 35 x 12.50's. I do burn outs and drive lots of country roads. My tires always last a lot longer than what they're rated for! Besides most vibrations should be taken out by your vehicles suspension and if u feel vibration you have a lot worse problem than unbalanced tires and your tires are gonna wear badly do to your suspension not because of them being unbalanced!!
I think I lot people never tried and think it doesn’t work, for sure it will never be perfect but enough for regular uses. The key is before you remove the old tire mark the new tire on the same position as the stem and it should be ok and use the same brand.
I have heard the Harbor Freight bubble balancers are crap.
Before machines was man, man built machines, machines as accurate as builder.
why not static balance like motorcycle tires? I'm guessing this wouldn't work that well due to offsets of car tires, but maybe i'm wrong.
How would you put it on a axle like a motorcycle tire
@@TheCrazyRomanian they make static balancers with large cones for car tires. I actually don't use the axle for my motorcycle tires. just some rod and cones up against the bearings. Nomar makes a large balancer that is supposed to be able to do tires up to 360mm, but since car tires don't have much of a surface to balance on i'm not sure how that would work. I'm going to try the ball bearing trick to improve my bubble balancer.
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I did not know that ...I need to look in to it thanks
you say even an idiot, but i've seen lots of reviews that say discount tire can't balance tires.
For all you heroes saying that dynamic balancers are so fantastic -- try this -- go give a small pile of money to your favorite tire shop and have them run up your wheel/tire on their fancy HUNTER, etc. Let them finish up with a small pile of weights all over the tire/wheel. Once the tech declares himself done, loosen the wheel, rotate it 90 degrees on the balancer hub in its now perfectly balanced condition, have him spin it up again, and let me know how that goes for you. Have a nice day!
The bubble balancer of today are so poorly made that they are worse than useless.....if they were accurately made they would be ok.
I like the snooker ball idea measuring in 4 places....I may look into that.
I used to have to balance the 3 blade propeller in my small 2 seat aircraft.....that was dont with a rig were you hang the propeller horizontal...it was 62 inch dia.....worked very well....I still have that rig.
Butt it needed adjusting so the prop was hanger just above the center of mass.....the nearer to it with out tilting the more sensitive.
I have had wheel balanced in a tyre shop....they still wobbled.....took the same wheel to another tyre shop...perfect.....so even tyre shops you cant rely on.
I like MacGyver kind of a guys, You sound like one I need more subscribers like you
$50 dollars?? how old is this video? the cheap shops on the poor side of town charge $100.
"a bubble leveler never really works"
Say that to my Starrett 199 15" Master Machine Level. 0.0005" graduations over 12" and 10 Arc-second accuracy...
But seriously, the ability to Ballance your own tires at home just comes down to your own skills and abilities. I made a vertical 4 point tire balancer at home and balanced my tires to 1/8th oz (which is half that of the industry standard of 1/4 oz)
It takes time and patience but you can surpass the quality of a shop Ballance at home if you have the skills and knowledge.
Make a video for us.. We wanna see,
@@TheCrazyRomanian you know, that is a good idea, it has been quite a while since I've done a tech video on my other channel, (an art channel isnt optimal for fabrication videos) so give me some time to dig out my tire balancer, make a video, post it and I will link it here. Dont hold your breath I dont tend to get to things very fast :-) but I'll do my best to get it done.
Level means nothing your wheels are not 90° to the road ,you have centripetal force Camper caster offset Ackerman angle do you have so many things and play
Where where your levels made? China?
Yeah
The inaccuracy in all of these sorts of tire balancing videos is the cost....50 bucks? Good luck getting 4 tires balanced for cheap....try 120 or something higher....they have to put it on a lift $, remove tires $, they have to use specialized machine $, they have to put tires back on $----you think they work for free LoL! But as the guy said....you have to pay up or guess....
A good quality laser beam would work just fine. That bullseye thing he pulled out in the video isn't much better than a bubble stick. Someone made a good observation of using water since it seeks it own level accurately on it's own. Their idea how to use it was problematic but nonetheless they were in the right track. What you want is to make a water level out of clear flexible tubing. You'll want 4 lengths along with a 4 way coupling to connects the ends. You balance the wheel on whatever. a pool ball as the guy used in the video. Take the tube ends fill it with water and attach the ends at 4 points around the wheel. Then add you weights until the ends of the tubing all have the same distance from the water to the end of the tube and are all sitting the same distance above the tire. It's about as accurate as you can get. The tech dates back to the construction of the pyramids. It's Still sound today.
Completely agree that the bubble balancer doesn't work, they have so many problems. Sometimes you get lucky, but often not.
Ball balancing does work for static balance, but you have to be careful with the base the ball sits on... It has to be hard, flat and level. If the base is not level, you will get the wrong result. Here's why
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Oh no, not a geometry lesson.
If your tires are dynamically imbalanced, then you will need to get them done at a shop with a $6000 machine and pay the man.
Most new tires on good rims will balance well enough. There are exceptions
Here's a fun one. I did a check balance on a truck tire that had been done by DTC. The driver complained the wheel was hopping at speeds over 60. Laser-ball balance says, yes, it will. Did the hexagonal pilot on the wheel defeat the $6k machine???
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Lots of good info in his comment