Technique Books: bit.ly/3E1tqYJ Mortal Weapons the Fight Comic: www.modernmartialartist.com/mortal-weapons/ CORRECTION: Looks like I made a mistake on how I stated Marquez's record. I just checked how that happened and it looks like I'd written out a factually correct sentence in my script and then read it wrong and didn't catch it. I apologize for the mistake. I try my best to get records, stats, dates and name pronunciations correct. I do have the same person who edits fact check the script when they get it. Luckily doesn't change the video very much so no big deal :)
You are forgetting, Floyd cheated for this fight! Fraud, er, i mean Floyd DELIBERATTLY came in 5 Ibs over weight for their agreed upon catch weight limit, hence, he was much bigger than Marquez when they entered the fight!
i appreciate that you mentioned how he kept his balance. footwork and balance are so hard, especially if you evade in pretty weird angles like floyd did later on. the more i learn the more he becomes my favourite
Marquez is no slouch by any means. He had the blueprint for Pacquiao. This was one of Floyd's greatest wins. A boxing masterpiece. Any pure boxing fan knows this.🥊
To be honest ever since this fight happened Marquez applied some of the science behind this fight with Floyd and realizing the some of the strategic footwork; hence he later applied that in the 4th fight with Pacquiao by knocking him out
Nah, you're wrong. The fight that looks more impressive as time passes is the victory or Canelo. Canelo is arguably the best P4P now, and Mayweather made him look downright silly. Class dismissed!
I think it's more like preemtive prediction rather than just relex. He limits his opponent's attacking options with his usual defensive stance and predict where they will strike next, thus being able to react before the strikes come. He is probably the best boxing tactician ever.
@@aclock2 it’s both, because against pacquiao (at 38) he showed, while he can still be affective when his reflexes deteriorate, it’s not the same… and it’s noticeable!!
Your observation on just how impactful such a subtle shift from defense to offense can be is impressive! Really blows your mind if you think about it too much.
@@mr.brightside6576 that’s the thing. Marquez was arguably Pacquiao’s biggest rival due to how close their fights were. You could say Pacquiao felt obliged to give Marquez numerous rematches, but he chose to fight his toughest rival when he could have fought somebody else who didn’t give him as much problems.
When this match up happened I remember not liking it because Floyd would have such a size advantage. Then I watched it and realized that's not why he won. He completely shut down Marquez game
@@TheChattounet dude your a fool mayweather sure fooled you dummies Marquez came up like 2 or more weight classes he never fought that heavy ever in his life that’s why he was so slow mayweather came in even heavier cause he couldn’t make weight or didn’t bother to make weight. So on fight night Marquez was overweight and fat and Floyd was at his natural weight he probably outweigh Marquez by 10-15 lbs
when you break it down like this you see that Mayweather's greatest strength was a genius level boxing IQ. the man genuinely knows everything there is to know about boxing.
you have to pair the mental side with floyds condition - he was always, always in such perfect shape for his fights if he could help it. he was a complete maniac with his physicial conditioning, he loved to train extremely hard to be the best. you put his mind on top of that and boom, you have the perfect boxer. best boxer ever. he really was the best ever, I think.
@@phaeryen Yes, Floyd never quit training. He trained every day, regardless of if he was fighting or not. He also never drank, never smoked and ate a clean diet. Most fighters were constantly yo-yoing in weight, which is terrible for your body, but Floyd was like a thoroughbred. He always stayed in fight shape, so as the fight went on, he stayed strong as his opponents faded into helplessness. You can see a great example vs MacGregor. Floyd could attack at will when Connor couldn't even raise his hands anymore.
@@Legend354.Floyd was an instinctive & high IQ boxer so he didn’t need much coaching, he just knew what to do & wouldn’t listen if they didn’t have the right advice. But if u watch Roger in the corner a lot of times he just said “just keep doin’ whatcha doin’” 😂
Marquez didnt give up till the last second It was the first time i had ever seen a fighter get dominated both mentally and physically and still not give up till the last second.
@@justvibing2497 yea well i wont waste time debating with a keyboard warrior that prolly doesnt even understand whats going on in a boxing match, have a great day and keept fighting with your screen !
@@david.amuiki I'm not trying to disrespect, just stating my opinion. If it bothers you that's your problem, I would say the same thing to your face. You think I'm attack you because you see what I write, but if you see my expression you will clearly see I'm just saying my opinion respectful. I feel you don't shit about boxing that's it, saying oh internet warrior is first grade. I don't get your angle broski, understand that you can't let people opinion make you emotional lol
Easily one of Floyd's best wins, and the fact it was against one of his most notable opponents really shows just how skilled he was. Man knew he was faster and had more technical defense and he absolutely took advantage.
One of his best performances I've seen. This was after an almost two-year layoff just imagine had he not had that layoff how much better he would have been
Because Floyd trains year round regardless. Still amazing. Only Floyd and Jordan can take two years off. Come back in their 30s. And be the best again. It's inhuman.
He cherry picked Marquez knowing he was going to make Marquez come up a few weightclasses so he would be slow, Marquez only settled into welterweight after he fought more frequently at welter vs pac
@@Ap-nv1hk He was out of the ring for almost two years and this fight was supposed to be with Pacquaio who was ranked as the #1 pound for pound & Marquez came in second. This was in 2009 when everyone started to ask for the Mayweather vs Pacquaio fight and that’s what Mayweather tried to do but when Bob Arum stopped it he took the second best. By the way Pacquaio & Marquez were the same size but everyone claimed that Mayweather cherry picked Marquez & at the same time they were asking for the Pacquaio fight!!! Also you have failed to mention that Marquez was the one who called out Mayweather. A cherry pick indeed…lol
The Marquez win aged well for Floyd, but the first thing that should be mentioned was the size differential (and the fact Floyd didnt even both trying to adhere to the contracted weight). Marquez was moving up two weight classes though as a master boxer was up against a superior technician, with height weight and speed advantage, who was also THE master counter puncher in the game. Marquez had to pressure (not his best strength) and played right into Mayweathers wheel house. Everything favoured Mayweather in this fight and the ONLY question mark was about how he would bounce back after a lengthy hiatus.
Man it’s always an excuse with Floyd y’all said manny can beat Floyd but manny and Marquez had 3 wars and the 4th time manny went to sleep Floyd beat Marquez easily I don’t care about Marquez moving up in weight or nun of that Henry Armstrong held titles in 3 different weight classes at the same time hall fund and excuse every time it’s cloudy he beat cabelo at 36 canelo was too young but Oscar beat Chavez sr at 23 u clowns wasn’t saying nun
This kind of argument rests on whether you're on a certain side of the weight class vs skills debate. To me, the making weight point is a very moot, nit-picky slight on Floyd's win. It guarantees nothing. Contracted, I understand is a legality issue but the fight itself, was pure tactical superiority. It's not like Marquez would've magically landed the shots he missed if only he was a bit lighter. Floyd is just that much better. You don't move up weight classes just because you gained weight like it's a right of passage, obviously, skill is king. Marquez fought great fight I'm sure anyone else at the time would've been trapped in a brawl with Marquez if they fought him that day. Marquez knows Floyd is just on a different. Look it up, hear what he says himself about Floyd.
A year off of boxing isn’t long. Over 2 is and if anyone ever boxed. Changing weight is a big factor especially when it’s a higher weight. So a lot of factors can be put in play but overall skill and experience is what made them almost even despite those physical factors
@@c.galindo9639 they were almost even in skills and experience though Floyd had an edge there as well. They were not even in size speed or styles for the match up.
Great breakdown, as always! People always seem to trash talk the Philly shell defense saying it has obvious flaws, but it seems like some of the greatest fighters like James Toney, Mayweather jr, etc counter punch like crazy from it and are hard to hit.
Well, it *does* have obvious flaws, chiefly the lack of lateral head movement to one side (as well as lateral movement in general being more restricted) and a heavy reliance on straight punches (hooks don’t have as much behind them due to the narrow, bladed stance). That said, a good fighter knows his own weaknesses and works around them-same as in most any fighting style. Like most everything, there’s a give and take.
@@moneymoney5431 true. A fighter can be dominant out of prime. Look at George Foreman and Archie Moore. But he still didn't Fight anyone when they were in their primes
Love it !!!! You should do Trinidad 🇵🇷 vs oba carr🇺🇸. Complete opposite styles Tito- front foot stalker Carr- classic back foot text book boxer You would love that fight.
Not for me. Mayweather fought an inflated lightweight and mayweather also missed weight which takes away from the victory. Mayweather looked huge compared to Marquez and Marquez never had the style that would trouble mayweather anyways. Marquez had to fight aggressive cutoff the ring and throw volume, that wasn’t Marquez style. Counter puncher vs pure boxer the pure boxer will win unless the counter puncher has the power to put the boxer away.
@OshawaStateOfMind eventually you will realize Mayweather himself is an “inflated lightweight”. Marquez is just short. Frame for frame there really isn’t much of a difference.
@@SlMBA. mayweather was the bigger fighter there’s no debating that. That’s like saying Tommy hearts and mayweather are the same size but tommy is just taller.
@@OshawaStateOfMind you are missing the point Floyd turned professional at 130 pounds hes not a legitimate welterweight. Tommy Hearns won a world title at light heavyweight.
Say what you want about Mayweather's personality but boy can he back it up. For anyone who likes beat downs, he's not entertaining but if you understand the nuances of technicalities in boxing, you have to applaud how gifted he is.
Boxing has had few masters and only one grandmaster. Floyd really was operating on such a different level, we’ll be studying his fight footage for decades
@@c.galindo9639 Floyd is top 5 all time. His boxing is in the history books. The only boxers who have arguments against him are Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard and Ali. He is EASY inside the top 5.
@@moneymoney5431 top 5 based on people who go by hype and record more than performance and skill level. He wouldn’t rank amongst top 10 realistically against the best of the best boxers ever
OMG MAN I LOVE UR VIDS AND I LOVE FLOYD MAYWEATHER AND SEEING BOTH IS JUST AMAZING!!!! KEEPPP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!! Also if u can explain how floyd beat Corrales that would be AMAZING
You're completely wrong... Marquez went up to 147 chasing Pacquiao for a 3rd fight... He called out Mayweather in hopes of beating him to force a 3rd fight with Pacquiao...
Not mentioned here is that Mayweather missed weight for this fight and refused to weigh in night of the fight. Pairing this with the aforementioned strategy is worth pointing out.
Yeah yeah its a criticism that has some merit, some even discount the amazing win entirely which is absurd, but the fact remains no one ever did this to Marquez not before or after not even at this weight when marquez officially moved up the following 3-4 years after this, its also worth noting Floyd has literally never weighed more then 150 for like any welterweight fight, heck against Canelo he was like 152 -154 max and Canelo was 167 for example and that was at Junior middle officially, this welterweight fight like had Floyd weighing in at 148 for Marquez max! still a demerit to technically keep it from being perfect for sure but enough to discredit or make this anything less than an amazing win absolutely not. I know what ya mean though and yes Floyd was wrong to break that 144 contract intitally.
@@danielhicks4826 I don’t think it wipes out the achievement but it’s one of many reasons Floyd will never be the pure fighting champion I see in others of the era. Everything was calculated to inflate his victories even though post De La Hoya it was a business insuring that every decision he made would result in wins that would keep people questioning his skill. Waiting for Manny to age, fighting very young or very old and not prime fighters. It’s a shame because Floyd is a legend and I can’t really get down with him.
@@goforward8697 Yah I know what your saying I got ya, I just look at it like this, that all just means he's not Ray Robinson, or Archie Moore, or Ali, and several others, bu5t he still at the end of the day has a great resume regardless even if it could have been even better- and it could have been- it's still pretty much better then just about everyone else in his era and the one dude who maybe has a better resume than him- Pac- he also beat post prime or not- personally I blame both for those failed bs negotiations in 2010 both sides egos refused to budge Pac over some Npo I won't do testing 2 weeks out from fight night crap and Floyd his usual antics, so that one went both ways far as i'm concerned, but yeah Floyd missed a few fights that woulda moved him up even more, but even in a lot of the fights people call"cherry picks" for example fact is most of those guys were either title holders or top 2-10 rated at the time faced which means there anywhere from okay to good to great tro elite wins anyways as is. I cant put him above a Robinson or Ali or Moore and several others though absolutely not, but still makes him one of the best ever in the end anyways could be top 20 at worst more likely top 10 and ya dont get that high without having a very very very good resume or a great one in the end even if it could have been even better ya know what I mean. I think the only fighters of the past 40 years who for sure or probably had better resume then Floyd for example would be lets see Holyfield/Hopkins, maybe Roy Jones jr, though even he gets some crap for his resume at times even though its also incredibly good really even with him missing the big 4 fights at super middle of the era, then Delahaoya probably, Pac I suppose, and i'd say he and Whitakers resumes are either about tied or one has a slight edge over the other, I could be missing a few? but point is even with the what could have beens and what he should have done and his unfortunate personality/choices at times, he still in the end does in fact have a great resume and one thats literally still better than 9 out of 10 fellow greats of his era. I do know what ya mean though. It really is a shame he didn't get to face Mosley even from a few years prior or Delahoya as well to, but then again same goes for Pacx who faced significantly worse way more faded versions of those 2, but he also faced like Bradley 3 times and marquez 4 times and etc etc but just saying for example that particular thing with them went both ways, but Pacs other fights likely off set those post prime faded wins of his own in Mosley and Delahaoyas case, where as at least Floyd got to face a version of them that had some left at least ya know.
@@goforward8697 Fella, what you're doing is called dry hating; hating on someone while pretending to be complimenting them. First, if you knew much about fighting or ever actually boxed, you would know that there is NOTHING that you can do to "inflate" a victory outside of the ring. You either win or you lose, INSIDE of the ring. Second, how do you wait for an opponent 3 years younger than yourself to "get old"? All of you haters who always tell that lie never seem to acknowledge the fact that Mayweather is 3 years OLDER than Pacquaio. Also, if Pacquiao was so damned OLD when Mayweather beat him, how is it that a 40 year old Pacquaio was able to soundly beat a 28 year old Keith Thurman 4 years AFTER Mayweather beat Pacquaio? Second, you're trying to downplay and make excuses for Mayweather beating Canelo by claiming that he "fought very young" fighters. Fella, Canelo Alvarez was an undefeated champion with a record of 42-0-1 before he fought Mayweather. He was the most dangerous fight and fighter Mayweather could have fought at the time, he moved up 2 weight classes to do it and Alvarez still came in outweighing him by 15 pounds and got schooled. If he was "too young", and "not ready", how was he undefeated up to that point, and stayed undefeated for 8 years AFTER Mayweather beat him? How come he wasn't "too young" or "not yet in his prime" enough for all those other guys he beat? Your excuses are bullshit. As far as anyone questioning Mayweather's skill, again, this simply shows that you don't know boxing. People say a lot of things about Mayweather, some true, some not. However, no serious critic questions his skill.
@@acroyerx1193 haha no champ. It’s wet hating. I don’t like the man’s persona or his legacy. It was wormy. What I never criticized was his skill. He’s one of the best ever. I’m just not a fan of the way he played the game. A lot of old school fans feel that way about him. I hope that doesn’t upset you too much.
The guy is a genius at boxing, he literally understands every styles functions and strengths and weaknesses. It was awesome to watch live but now it's even doper to see on TH-cam lol
It's a real shame this video is only 10 minutes long. It looks like there's so much more that can be said and broken down about the fight, and some of the shown exchanges.
Mayweather fan here, As much as I enjoy watching Floyd box , this was a matchmaking nightmare for Marquez. Imagine - Marquez fought Mayweather two weight classes above his normal for the first time in addition to Floyd not making the weight that night.
yes agreed, sure Floyd fought a great technical fight, but the weight difference was huge and stylistically Marquez worked right into his wheelhouse (he had no choice against a bigger faster oppont) it has to be the first thing mentioned in this fight.
Floyd was way smaller than canelo Diego corrales Phillip ndou gatti!!! But u clowns don’t say shit !!! Hell y’all wanted him to knock out Logan Pauls 6ft 3 215 pound ass too y’all a have an excuse about Floyd everytime so wasn’t this around the same time y’all wanted Floyd to fight manny soon as Floyd won y’all woulda used this same excuse
Marquez was no joke , loved watching his fights . I’m a huge mayweather fan , he just knew the sport so well . He beat you with his knowledge in the ring , and made it look easy
Floyed moved to 147 in 2006. . . In September 2008, Marquez just moved from 130 - 135, only had 2 fights at 135 when Floyd Cherrypicked Marquez to fight at 147 by 2009.
This was around the same time when Manny-Floyd fight interest was picking up steam and Manny was as more or less the same size as Marquez… and then Marquez competed at 147 after the Floyd fight and KO’d Manny as well…
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba Let me Educate You. Floyd moved to 147 in 2006 while Pac and Marquez was still at 130. . - March 2008: Pac vs Marquez fought the 2nd time at 130 - July 2008: Pac fought at 135 for the first time - September 2008 Marquez fought at 135 for the first time - December 2008 Pac fought Dela Hoya at 147 . Pac from 2008 to 2010 fought at 130, 135, 140, 147 and 154 while collecting Belts . Why would Floyd who is been at 147 for more than 3 yrs picked Marquez who just moved from 130 to 135 less than a year at 135 to fight him at 147? . . Remember a 42 yrs old Pac in 2021 who is a natural lightweight who was inactive for more than 2 years? - - - Did Pac decided to fight someone at 135? Pac go after The TOP Welterweights . - Spence pulled out from the fight. . - Prime Floyd who is a natural 147 decided to cherrypicked Marquez who just moved from 130 - 135 to fight him at 147. lol . . You see the difference? . . ESPN First Take - Floyd Mayweather Jr Had Banned IV Before Pacquiao Fight! th-cam.com/video/Qadbej5Z8Tk/w-d-xo.html . TMT - The Medication Team . .#xylocaine #lidocaine #illegalIV2015 #lowTEratio
@@Drifter101z I already gave you the reason why Floyd fought Marquez: 2008 is when the talks of a Manny-Floyd started because Manny had just defeated De La Hoya at 147, who Floyd beat in 2007. So when Floyd came back after two years of inactivity, he choose to fight Marquez. Marquez was ranked 3rd P4P at the time and was seen as more or less Manny’s biggest rival. Manny jumped to 147 from 135 to fight an non-prime De La Hoya and everyone praises Manny for daring to be great. But when Marquez does the same thing (jumping to 147 from 135) to fight Floyd, you criticize Floyd for it and don’t give Marquez credit. Why is there a double standard lol? And you do realize that Floyd is a naturally smaller guy as well, who started his career at 130 lol? Manny, Floyd and Marquez all started at lower weights but moved up and competed, and ended their careers at 147. So when you talk about weight, why is it only a positive thing when it comes to Manny but negative when it comes to Marquez and Floyd lol? Next time you try to have an argument with someone, please be concise and come with facts. You’re being to biased
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba Nope 2008 was not the year people wanted to see Floyd and Pac. U need to know the TIMELINE . Pac fought Dela Hoya in December 2008 - So early 2009 was the year when people started talking about Pac vs Floyd. . Remember what happened in May 2009 during the weigh in of Pac vs Hatton??? Do you know? . Floyd received a lot of Hate by announcing his fight against Marquez during the Weigh ins of Hatton vs Pac, . . If Floyd Started at 130 then dont forget Pac started at 106. lol But thats not how u analyz their natural weight weight. its not smart. . Is Floyd a natural superfeather weight (130) in 2009? . Would it be Ridiculous for FLoyd to fight someone at 130 in 2009 just because he started at 130 more than a decade ago in 1996. lol It doesnt make sense. . BTW you dont chose your next opponent base on the Pound for Pound Rankings. . . lol It consist of fighters from different weight Divisions. . Its like Usyk choosing the No. 1 Pound4Pound right now who is Inoue. . . lol . Why Pick someone at 135 while theres a lot of fighters calling out FLoyd at 147. lol .
@@Drifter101z Manny-Floyd after Manny beat De La Hoya (December of 2008), which still means it started in 2008… but arguing over the particular start date doesn’t really matter because the idea of a Floyd-Manny fight still started after the Manny-De La Hoya fight, which is what I stated lol. Floyd receiving hate for announcing a fight is a normal reaction from his detractors so I don’t what point you were trying to prove with that lol. And no, Floyd isn’t a natural 130 in 2009, but he was still a naturally smaller 147 since he came up 4 divisions rather than starting at 147. I have addressed all your argument points/questions and I have already gave you a reason why Floyd fought Marquez (which is backed by what Floyd said himself), but yet you strawman my argument and deflect the questions I ask you. So let me ask again, why is there a double standard for Manny going up to 147 from 135 and Marquez going up to 147 from 135? Why is weight only a positive thing for Manny but negative for Marquez and Floyd? Please don’t duck these questions 😂
Floyd is the smartest boxer who changes his game plan every round and cancels the opposing boxer's game plan. He is the one boxer who took the least beating inside the ring.
On paper Marquez style all wrong for Mayweather. Incorrect. No one thought Marquez would be a stylistic nightmare for Floyd. What surprised everyone was Floyd 12-0’ing a great fighter
As a Mexican, I can say I hate Mayweather so much, but the more I learn about his actual boxing technique the more I realize how much of a genius he is
Marquez is and was my favorite boxer of all time (and my hot take the best Mexican boxer of all time). I also use to despise Mayweather. But my god when he dismantled my boy like that, he really gained my respect. That’s when I realized this dude is DIFFERENT
Can you do a breakdown of el chino maidana and his punching technique and counter punching pressure style?? I think nobody gives el chino enough credit to his technique and inteligence because of his power
@@mr.soystein7849 The channel's name is OfficeHanchoBoxing. The video about Maidana vs Broner is here : th-cam.com/video/m_5b5VddUic/w-d-xo.html It's a very good channel, with great videos about Floyd vs Ortiz and Floyd vs De La Hoya, and many other fights.
When most opponents didn't give Dinamita his respect, he'd make them pay. Floyd knew exactly what he was doing by neutralizing Dinamita's counterpunching and make Marquez the aggressor, which works against himself.
Just a quick note; Marquez had lost to both Freddie Norwood and Chris John as well as Manny Pacquiao prior to this fight. He also lost his debut by DQ. Other than that, excellent work here.
But all those fights are very close it could gone either way (if not robbery). Yet Floyd trashed Marquez like he's no BIG DEAL. Critics are using the size as an excuse but Marquez also move up 2 division and knock Manny Pacquiao out years later. Melvin Magramo move up 4 division and give Pacquiao a beating that most people believes that Magramo was robbed. (I hope that there's a video of that fight so I could judge it myself)
He knows, literally every single legendary fighter except mayweather and like 4 others 3 who have far far less quality resumes lose some fights it dont mean much, dont think he claimed he was undefeated to? Marquez resume speaks for itself no shame at all in him losing to Chrisa John or Norwood and the first fight dq loss in 93 totally irrelevant as well ya know.
Hey, can you do one about Acelino Freitas from Brazil, he beated Mike Tyson record of most consecutive knockouts, he fought recently with Pelé Landi an mma fighter in boxing rules and won by knockout. Thank You if you can breakdown his style, good. Thank you for your awesomes videos, have a great day.
As a lot of people here noted, Floyd was more a natural middleweight as this stage and Marquez a blown up light weight. Even if Marquez landed a brutal flush shot on Mayweather, he would have just walked right through it. Marquez made a good paycheck but he underestimated Floyd's ring rust and overestimated his skill level at this weight. Even so, this is still Floyd's greatest victory in my opinion.
If you look past the arrogance of floyd to will come to realise just how good a boxer he was, trully he is a talent that comes once in maybe a hundred years..
Mayweather took a one year sham retirement then came back to fight a guy jumping up two weight classes instead of one of the several more legitimate opps he could have chosen. No shock there.
@@bunnyban5365 Disagree on that, but there's way too many metrics - and too many great fighters - out there for everyone to ever agree on that, I suppose. :-)
@@ritzkola2302 I don't think so, namely since most elite boxers are black, though it may play a role for some. I think it's at least in part his abrasive persona (whether that's real or acted) … and perhaps the fact that he's just that good that he must have beaten quite a few people's personal favourites. :-)
@@jamielondon6436 I know so, most elite Black fighters are hated too. And the persona excuse is just confirmation. Whites loved connor. He was the biggest star in the ufc because of his persona. Even white Americans. I was in the army and watched all the whites say connor was going to beat Floyd when they fought. The Black fighters that get the most love are the ones that died decades ago (for obvious reason: they didn’t beat anyone whites cared about and whites today weren’t around to hate them for whatever excuse they could think of) & dudes like Mike Tyson who says everything they want to hear (he’s made his waves attacking other Black fighters and giving all his life’s praise to a white dude and in general talking like he was raised white the stuff he says is weird and we don’t relate to much of it in our community but white communities resonate with it). Amongst those Black fighters he’s attacked is Floyd. No surprise when racists are quoting things to disrespect Floyd they flock to one of Tyson’s quotes. Naseem Hamed Wasn’t hatred for his persona. And he’s a foreigner. There’s no angle this can be taken where a double standard isn’t applied and goal posts aren’t moved. It is what it is. But I digress, it’s not easy to find a reason to hate him. That quote mainly belongs to racists.
That body jab was 2 things a quick point score and a counter trap he would score quick points off of it until his opponents started to try and stop it and or counter thats why he used it so much because it was his double edged sword
Bruh, Marquez was a cherry picked. Only Floyd fanboys justify this fight. Floyd made JMM go up in weight 2 divisions, besides JMM is too small for Floyd lol I like your content but this is bs.
Floyd was simply brilliant!! He was one of a kind boxer!!! Props for him and his corner for perfecting the box styles and become a so hard to catch prey!!!💪🏾
His fight against Marquez was a mismatch, during the weigh in Floyd was overweight and just paid the fine just to avoid postponing the fight and he gained more weight during the fight night, he had lots of demands and Marque just agreed to make the fight happen. Floyd is nothing but a cheater, he uses 750ML of saline vitamins which is 50ML is only allowed and a PED helped him to become faster, stronger and having a better stamina and at the same time, he was well protected in Vegas. Marquez's 1st fight at welterweight was not yet comfortable because that wasn't his natural weight class that's why he's slow and at the same time, his counterpunching style won't work because Floyd has longer reach than him so he should be the one initiating the attack.
Exactly. 10lbs more than normal , without a tuneup fight to make any adjustment, on a small man that’s a HUGE amount comparatively. And people are raving about floyd’s performance?!! Think JMM did brilliantly despite! Floyd like SRL before him made sure things were an uneven playing field as possible.
@@strangeman9362 haha a fair point, that punch would have knocked out anyone though in fairness. Looked like Marquez had discovered the weight room by the time he found Pacquaio also (whether that made the difference or not) he was a bit soft around the midsection when he fought Mayweather
Floyd was coming off a two year layoff and took on the #2 p4p fighter in the world at the time. Marquez is a beast and Floyd beat him without even breaking a sweat
@@gl7257 overweight Marquez 😂 funny thing though is that one who went up is Marquez because he's the one who challenge Mayweather and go up and he did and also Marquez finished off Manny the same weight where Marquez got schooled by Mayweather 🤣😂
This is a good breakdown but let's be honest about this fight. Mayweather moved up a featherweight all the way to welterweight and beat a smaller, older fighter. He also decided to not make the catch weight of 144lbs that was agreed upon the fight. In boxing size and weight matters. A great big fighter will always beat a great smaller fighter. Mayweather's defense was great but his ability to avoid dangerous fights, add special clauses to fights he did take was even better...😒
The way Mayweather dodged the left jab, returned fire with the right cross, then ducked the right hook is amazing. The whole sequence took about 2 seconds simply amazing
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CORRECTION: Looks like I made a mistake on how I stated Marquez's record. I just checked how that happened and it looks like I'd written out a factually correct sentence in my script and then read it wrong and didn't catch it. I apologize for the mistake. I try my best to get records, stats, dates and name pronunciations correct. I do have the same person who edits fact check the script when they get it. Luckily doesn't change the video very much so no big deal :)
Don't come with this bullshit Marquéz was at that time was a lightweight and Mayweather was a Welter a lot of fucking weight...
You are forgetting, Floyd cheated for this fight! Fraud, er, i mean Floyd DELIBERATTLY came in 5 Ibs over weight for their agreed upon catch weight limit, hence, he was much bigger than Marquez when they entered the fight!
Man......do I ever feel like a jerk now. Haha. A minor blemish on an excellent video. You have nothing to be ashamed of.
@@thejughead138 stop talking things out of your ass lmao hahaha
Marquez isn't Mexico's strongest fighter by any means. Correct that smug lil twat
i appreciate that you mentioned how he kept his balance. footwork and balance are so hard, especially if you evade in pretty weird angles like floyd did later on. the more i learn the more he becomes my favourite
There's a really good book on that out there. ;-)
@@jamielondon6436 what's it called
@@MBUOffical Footwork Wins Fights by David Christian.
Every time I finish sparring it astonishes me how he could avoid being hit so much. People don't realize how hard that is
Even if I don't like him, I have to give the deserve credit where it belongs.
Marquez is no slouch by any means. He had the blueprint for Pacquiao. This was one of Floyd's greatest wins. A boxing masterpiece. Any pure boxing fan knows this.🥊
To be honest ever since this fight happened Marquez applied some of the science behind this fight with Floyd and realizing the some of the strategic footwork; hence he later applied that in the 4th fight with Pacquiao by knocking him out
Nah, you're wrong.
The fight that looks more impressive as time passes is the victory or Canelo. Canelo is arguably the best P4P now, and Mayweather made him look downright silly. Class dismissed!
@@mollkatless Agreed
Respect you!
@@mollkatless respect to you!
The reflexes of Mayweather are just incredible. One of his greatest weapons.
His reflexes and react time. Were unforreal. Even in his late 30s he was still faster then everyone!
I think it's more like preemtive prediction rather than just relex. He limits his opponent's attacking options with his usual defensive stance and predict where they will strike next, thus being able to react before the strikes come. He is probably the best boxing tactician ever.
@@aclock2 it’s both, because against pacquiao (at 38) he showed, while he can still be affective when his reflexes deteriorate, it’s not the same… and it’s noticeable!!
But he limited his opponents' weapons. Boxing is trash compared to mma. Where he would die.
@@Delt4_Cr4wfish He would just employ a different defensive tactic for MMA.
Your observation on just how impactful such a subtle shift from defense to offense can be is impressive! Really blows your mind if you think about it too much.
Marquez v Pacquiao finale was of the greatest sporting experiences as a spectator ever.
Hard to imagine how high Marquez felt.
I like pac man
BUT HE KNOCK HIM THE FK OUT
If study their history they shouldn't have a 4th fight. 4th fight is unusual in boxing
@@maivveatherjr9821 cause Pacquiao is a risk taker
@@lightningjimmyjoejohnson8499 pacquiao never had a decisive win against marquez that is why he felt obliged to give him rematches.
@@mr.brightside6576 that’s the thing. Marquez was arguably Pacquiao’s biggest rival due to how close their fights were. You could say Pacquiao felt obliged to give Marquez numerous rematches, but he chose to fight his toughest rival when he could have fought somebody else who didn’t give him as much problems.
When this match up happened I remember not liking it because Floyd would have such a size advantage. Then I watched it and realized that's not why he won. He completely shut down Marquez game
@@KickingAssDaily come on it's not 2 kilos that will give you that much of a advantage
@@TheChattounet dude your a fool mayweather sure fooled you dummies Marquez came up like 2 or more weight classes he never fought that heavy ever in his life that’s why he was so slow mayweather came in even heavier cause he couldn’t make weight or didn’t bother to make weight. So on fight night Marquez was overweight and fat and Floyd was at his natural weight he probably outweigh Marquez by 10-15 lbs
@@TheChattounet marquez gained 17 pounds, and was in the wrong weightclass
@@thore589 true but it was with this weight that he ko'ed pacquiao.
So he was still a very dangerous fighter
He gave Marquez a boxing seminar the same way he did Canelo with 15+ lbs weight advantage using pure bboxing skills
7:33 Mayweather shows that staying on balance always pays off. Masterful shifting of body weight and movement. Truly awesome.
I know it's off topic, but I love that Ali - D'Amato interaction.
Man me too. It never gets old
old man Dmato was too fast with that counter straight and body jab
when you break it down like this you see that Mayweather's greatest strength was a genius level boxing IQ. the man genuinely knows everything there is to know about boxing.
you have to pair the mental side with floyds condition - he was always, always in such perfect shape for his fights if he could help it. he was a complete maniac with his physicial conditioning, he loved to train extremely hard to be the best. you put his mind on top of that and boom, you have the perfect boxer. best boxer ever. he really was the best ever, I think.
@@phaeryen Yes, Floyd never quit training. He trained every day, regardless of if he was fighting or not. He also never drank, never smoked and ate a clean diet. Most fighters were constantly yo-yoing in weight, which is terrible for your body, but Floyd was like a thoroughbred. He always stayed in fight shape, so as the fight went on, he stayed strong as his opponents faded into helplessness. You can see a great example vs MacGregor. Floyd could attack at will when Connor couldn't even raise his hands anymore.
That's not true, you gotta remember they have a corner that helps them pick out their tactics. Not taking anything away from him.
@@Legend354.Floyd was an instinctive & high IQ boxer so he didn’t need much coaching, he just knew what to do & wouldn’t listen if they didn’t have the right advice. But if u watch Roger in the corner a lot of times he just said “just keep doin’ whatcha doin’” 😂
Marquez didnt give up till the last second
It was the first time i had ever seen a fighter get dominated both mentally and physically and still not give up till the last second.
You don't watch enough boxing, it happened many times
@@justvibing2497 i prolly understand what im watching better than you tho.
@@david.amuiki you clearly don't lol
@@justvibing2497 yea well i wont waste time debating with a keyboard warrior that prolly doesnt even understand whats going on in a boxing match, have a great day and keept fighting with your screen !
@@david.amuiki I'm not trying to disrespect, just stating my opinion. If it bothers you that's your problem, I would say the same thing to your face. You think I'm attack you because you see what I write, but if you see my expression you will clearly see I'm just saying my opinion respectful. I feel you don't shit about boxing that's it, saying oh internet warrior is first grade. I don't get your angle broski, understand that you can't let people opinion make you emotional lol
No one. And I mean, no one has ever beaten Marquez with such ease.
This was one of, if not, the most glorious performance of Floyd's career.
why dont jus marry floyd n move to San Fransico
u fool, sounds like u cant defend urself
Bradley?
@@itbeonlikedonkeykong, ahhh. No
Yawn
Easily one of Floyd's best wins, and the fact it was against one of his most notable opponents really shows just how skilled he was. Man knew he was faster and had more technical defense and he absolutely took advantage.
Especially after sitting out of the ring for 48 months etc.. Floyd Mayweather is unique and built for the sport on a champion level.
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Do you think Floyd or Marquez didn’t juice 😭.
Very cool to see someone talk about this particular fight with so much nuance.
That sequence between cus and Ali is so legendary
You the man when it comes to these D keep em coming appreciate the work fam!
One of his best performances I've seen. This was after an almost two-year layoff just imagine had he not had that layoff how much better he would have been
u fool, u probably get wet dreams about floyd, LOL
@@noemoreno2635 you're mad he whooped your boy
Because Floyd trains year round regardless. Still amazing. Only Floyd and Jordan can take two years off. Come back in their 30s. And be the best again. It's inhuman.
Floyd stood in front of him all night and didn't get hit.
Masterclass
He cherry picked Marquez knowing he was going to make Marquez come up a few weightclasses so he would be slow, Marquez only settled into welterweight after he fought more frequently at welter vs pac
Floyd got hit some in this fight in some of the close range exchanges in the earlier rounds but he adjusted.
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He was out of the ring for almost two years and this fight was supposed to be with Pacquaio who was ranked as the #1 pound for pound & Marquez came in second. This was in 2009 when everyone started to ask for the Mayweather vs Pacquaio fight and that’s what Mayweather tried to do but when Bob Arum stopped it he took the second best. By the way Pacquaio & Marquez were the same size but everyone claimed that Mayweather cherry picked Marquez & at the same time they were asking for the Pacquaio fight!!!
Also you have failed to mention that Marquez was the one who called out Mayweather.
A cherry pick indeed…lol
@@crypto2162 exactly...these tards are delusional.
@@Ap-nv1hk boy stop being a hater he didn't cherry pick
This analysis is on point. Extremely well done!
Your breakdowns are ON POINT my friend. Love watchin ur vids. Keep it up!
This is his best win imo, it's a perfect showcase of how much a strategy genius he can be even in the middle of a firefight
No. His win against Marcos Maidana in the rematch and José Luis Castillo in the rematch… Those were much more impressive wins
The Marquez win aged well for Floyd, but the first thing that should be mentioned was the size differential (and the fact Floyd didnt even both trying to adhere to the contracted weight). Marquez was moving up two weight classes though as a master boxer was up against a superior technician, with height weight and speed advantage, who was also THE master counter puncher in the game. Marquez had to pressure (not his best strength) and played right into Mayweathers wheel house. Everything favoured Mayweather in this fight and the ONLY question mark was about how he would bounce back after a lengthy hiatus.
Man it’s always an excuse with Floyd y’all said manny can beat Floyd but manny and Marquez had 3 wars and the 4th time manny went to sleep Floyd beat Marquez easily I don’t care about Marquez moving up in weight or nun of that Henry Armstrong held titles in 3 different weight classes at the same time hall fund and excuse every time it’s cloudy he beat cabelo at 36 canelo was too young but Oscar beat Chavez sr at 23 u clowns wasn’t saying nun
This kind of argument rests on whether you're on a certain side of the weight class vs skills debate. To me, the making weight point is a very moot, nit-picky slight on Floyd's win. It guarantees nothing. Contracted, I understand is a legality issue but the fight itself, was pure tactical superiority. It's not like Marquez would've magically landed the shots he missed if only he was a bit lighter. Floyd is just that much better. You don't move up weight classes just because you gained weight like it's a right of passage, obviously, skill is king. Marquez fought great fight I'm sure anyone else at the time would've been trapped in a brawl with Marquez if they fought him that day. Marquez knows Floyd is just on a different. Look it up, hear what he says himself about Floyd.
A year off of boxing isn’t long. Over 2 is and if anyone ever boxed. Changing weight is a big factor especially when it’s a higher weight. So a lot of factors can be put in play but overall skill and experience is what made them almost even despite those physical factors
@@c.galindo9639 he was out for nearly 2 years (21 months) before this bout.
@@c.galindo9639 they were almost even in skills and experience though Floyd had an edge there as well. They were not even in size speed or styles for the match up.
Superb analysis. This channel has greatly enhanced my enjoyment and understanding of boxing! :)
It's insane how good Floyd is. You don't have to like him, but his talent is god-tier. Beautiful to watch.
This guy is so elusive. Difficult to catch him slipping with all those angles. Master Craftsman!
I learn a lot from your videos man, thanks!
Great breakdown, as always! People always seem to trash talk the Philly shell defense saying it has obvious flaws, but it seems like some of the greatest fighters like James Toney, Mayweather jr, etc counter punch like crazy from it and are hard to hit.
Well, it *does* have obvious flaws, chiefly the lack of lateral head movement to one side (as well as lateral movement in general being more restricted) and a heavy reliance on straight punches (hooks don’t have as much behind them due to the narrow, bladed stance). That said, a good fighter knows his own weaknesses and works around them-same as in most any fighting style. Like most everything, there’s a give and take.
all guards have their flaws!
Out of prime and going up 2 weight classes is a lot to ask of anyone.
Floyd’s prime was 2001-2006. He was on top 10 years after his prime.
@@moneymoney5431 true. A fighter can be dominant out of prime. Look at George Foreman and Archie Moore. But he still didn't Fight anyone when they were in their primes
Love it !!!!
You should do Trinidad 🇵🇷 vs oba carr🇺🇸. Complete opposite styles
Tito- front foot stalker
Carr- classic back foot text book boxer
You would love that fight.
Better breakdown would be either Hopkins vs Trinidad or Wright vs Trinidad.
ive always thought this was floyds most impressive performance. it still blows my mind that someone was able to dominate jmm like that.
Not for me. Mayweather fought an inflated lightweight and mayweather also missed weight which takes away from the victory. Mayweather looked huge compared to Marquez and Marquez never had the style that would trouble mayweather anyways. Marquez had to fight aggressive cutoff the ring and throw volume, that wasn’t Marquez style. Counter puncher vs pure boxer the pure boxer will win unless the counter puncher has the power to put the boxer away.
@OshawaStateOfMind eventually you will realize Mayweather himself is an “inflated lightweight”. Marquez is just short. Frame for frame there really isn’t much of a difference.
@@SlMBA. mayweather was the bigger fighter there’s no debating that. That’s like saying Tommy hearts and mayweather are the same size but tommy is just taller.
@@OshawaStateOfMind you are missing the point Floyd turned professional at 130 pounds hes not a legitimate welterweight. Tommy Hearns won a world title at light heavyweight.
@@SlMBA. Floyd moved up in his 20s bro and had a bigger frame to grow into, look at the weigh in for mayweather vs Marquez
8:36 My favorite move/moment in boxing. I can watch that on a loop forever!
It's called a pull counter.
Floyd was so impressive that night
Floyd delivered an outstanding performance against a boxing maestro. Love him or hate him, Floyd was a boxing virtuoso.
This is such a raw video on this fight! Nice to see someone actually giving mayweather his props
Say what you want about Mayweather's personality but boy can he back it up.
For anyone who likes beat downs, he's not entertaining but if you understand the nuances of technicalities in boxing, you have to applaud how gifted he is.
This proves Floyd would have beat Pacquiao in pacs so called prime. Total domination absolutely world class 👑
He dismantled him by making him move up in weight
Exactly. Floyd fanboys will ignore this fact. Only special boxers can move up in weight and be successful. Marquez ain't that guy.
You forgot to mention that Floyd was away for almost 2 years and that evens it out .
Boxing has had few masters and only one grandmaster. Floyd really was operating on such a different level, we’ll be studying his fight footage for decades
As far as today’s boxing goes he is seen as a master but throughout boxing history. He is a boy amongst men like many other boxers today
@@c.galindo9639 I wouldn't say he's a boy. He's not the most skilled boxer true and he's overrated but "boy"? I don't know.
@@haroldpierce3270 compared to the entire history of boxing he is a boy
@@c.galindo9639 Floyd is top 5 all time. His boxing is in the history books. The only boxers who have arguments against him are Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard and Ali. He is EASY inside the top 5.
@@moneymoney5431 top 5 based on people who go by hype and record more than performance and skill level. He wouldn’t rank amongst top 10 realistically against the best of the best boxers ever
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Beautiful that you brought in cus d' amato for clear illustration.
Yeah, he demanded jmm to fight in his own terms like jmm had to go up to 147.
You're completely wrong... Marquez went up to 147 chasing Pacquiao for a 3rd fight... He called out Mayweather in hopes of beating him to force a 3rd fight with Pacquiao...
Not mentioned here is that Mayweather missed weight for this fight and refused to weigh in night of the fight. Pairing this with the aforementioned strategy is worth pointing out.
Yeah yeah its a criticism that has some merit, some even discount the amazing win entirely which is absurd, but the fact remains no one ever did this to Marquez not before or after not even at this weight when marquez officially moved up the following 3-4 years after this, its also worth noting Floyd has literally never weighed more then 150 for like any welterweight fight, heck against Canelo he was like 152 -154 max and Canelo was 167 for example and that was at Junior middle officially, this welterweight fight like had Floyd weighing in at 148 for Marquez max! still a demerit to technically keep it from being perfect for sure but enough to discredit or make this anything less than an amazing win absolutely not. I know what ya mean though and yes Floyd was wrong to break that 144 contract intitally.
@@danielhicks4826 I don’t think it wipes out the achievement but it’s one of many reasons Floyd will never be the pure fighting champion I see in others of the era. Everything was calculated to inflate his victories even though post De La Hoya it was a business insuring that every decision he made would result in wins that would keep people questioning his skill. Waiting for Manny to age, fighting very young or very old and not prime fighters. It’s a shame because Floyd is a legend and I can’t really get down with him.
@@goforward8697 Yah I know what your saying I got ya, I just look at it like this, that all just means he's not Ray Robinson, or Archie Moore, or Ali, and several others, bu5t he still at the end of the day has a great resume regardless even if it could have been even better- and it could have been- it's still pretty much better then just about everyone else in his era and the one dude who maybe has a better resume than him- Pac- he also beat post prime or not- personally I blame both for those failed bs negotiations in 2010 both sides egos refused to budge Pac over some Npo I won't do testing 2 weeks out from fight night crap and Floyd his usual antics, so that one went both ways far as i'm concerned, but yeah Floyd missed a few fights that woulda moved him up even more, but even in a lot of the fights people call"cherry picks" for example fact is most of those guys were either title holders or top 2-10 rated at the time faced which means there anywhere from okay to good to great tro elite wins anyways as is. I cant put him above a Robinson or Ali or Moore and several others though absolutely not, but still makes him one of the best ever in the end anyways could be top 20 at worst more likely top 10 and ya dont get that high without having a very very very good resume or a great one in the end even if it could have been even better ya know what I mean. I think the only fighters of the past 40 years who for sure or probably had better resume then Floyd for example would be lets see Holyfield/Hopkins, maybe Roy Jones jr, though even he gets some crap for his resume at times even though its also incredibly good really even with him missing the big 4 fights at super middle of the era, then Delahaoya probably, Pac I suppose, and i'd say he and Whitakers resumes are either about tied or one has a slight edge over the other, I could be missing a few? but point is even with the what could have beens and what he should have done and his unfortunate personality/choices at times, he still in the end does in fact have a great resume and one thats literally still better than 9 out of 10 fellow greats of his era. I do know what ya mean though. It really is a shame he didn't get to face Mosley even from a few years prior or Delahoya as well to, but then again same goes for Pacx who faced significantly worse way more faded versions of those 2, but he also faced like Bradley 3 times and marquez 4 times and etc etc but just saying for example that particular thing with them went both ways, but Pacs other fights likely off set those post prime faded wins of his own in Mosley and Delahaoyas case, where as at least Floyd got to face a version of them that had some left at least ya know.
@@goforward8697 Fella, what you're doing is called dry hating; hating on someone while pretending to be complimenting them. First, if you knew much about fighting or ever actually boxed, you would know that there is NOTHING that you can do to "inflate" a victory outside of the ring. You either win or you lose, INSIDE of the ring. Second, how do you wait for an opponent 3 years younger than yourself to "get old"? All of you haters who always tell that lie never seem to acknowledge the fact that Mayweather is 3 years OLDER than Pacquaio. Also, if Pacquiao was so damned OLD when Mayweather beat him, how is it that a 40 year old Pacquaio was able to soundly beat a 28 year old Keith Thurman 4 years AFTER Mayweather beat Pacquaio? Second, you're trying to downplay and make excuses for Mayweather beating Canelo by claiming that he "fought very young" fighters. Fella, Canelo Alvarez was an undefeated champion with a record of 42-0-1 before he fought Mayweather. He was the most dangerous fight and fighter Mayweather could have fought at the time, he moved up 2 weight classes to do it and Alvarez still came in outweighing him by 15 pounds and got schooled. If he was "too young", and "not ready", how was he undefeated up to that point, and stayed undefeated for 8 years AFTER Mayweather beat him? How come he wasn't "too young" or "not yet in his prime" enough for all those other guys he beat? Your excuses are bullshit.
As far as anyone questioning Mayweather's skill, again, this simply shows that you don't know boxing. People say a lot of things about Mayweather, some true, some not. However, no serious critic questions his skill.
@@acroyerx1193 haha no champ. It’s wet hating. I don’t like the man’s persona or his legacy. It was wormy. What I never criticized was his skill. He’s one of the best ever. I’m just not a fan of the way he played the game. A lot of old school fans feel that way about him. I hope that doesn’t upset you too much.
1:18 I don't believe I've seen someone uppercut another person into push up position before.
Y'all can cry. But y'all will always be second to us in boxing. Always! 💪🏾
who?
The guy is a genius at boxing, he literally understands every styles functions and strengths and weaknesses. It was awesome to watch live but now it's even doper to see on TH-cam lol
I'm more into strong and aggressive fighters but you can't deny that Mayweather is among the best (If not THE best) at what he does.
It's a real shame this video is only 10 minutes long. It looks like there's so much more that can be said and broken down about the fight, and some of the shown exchanges.
Mayweather fan here,
As much as I enjoy watching Floyd box , this was a matchmaking nightmare for Marquez.
Imagine - Marquez fought Mayweather two weight classes above his normal for the first time in addition to Floyd not making the weight that night.
Plz do Roy Jones jr and how he’s the only one that started his career at 154 and won heavyweight title
Not the only
@@BadselS who then else
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Bob Fitzsimmons won titles at middleweight and heavyweight. We can also include James Toney but his win over Ruiz was overturned.
He beat nobody.
Video starts at 3:39
Huge Mayweather fan but the weight differential was ridiculous here.. Mayweather knew exactly what he was doing here not a fair fight..
yes agreed, sure Floyd fought a great technical fight, but the weight difference was huge and stylistically Marquez worked right into his wheelhouse (he had no choice against a bigger faster oppont) it has to be the first thing mentioned in this fight.
Floyd was way smaller than canelo Diego corrales Phillip ndou gatti!!! But u clowns don’t say shit !!! Hell y’all wanted him to knock out Logan Pauls 6ft 3 215 pound ass too y’all a have an excuse about Floyd everytime so wasn’t this around the same time y’all wanted Floyd to fight manny soon as Floyd won y’all woulda used this same excuse
But Floyd was so scared of Pacquiao that he retired multiple times and waited until Pacquiao lost a few steps before being man enough to fight him.
@@jmarra07 isn't Mayweather older than Manny?
@@jmarra07 Mayweather is older.
Thanks for breaking down that fight between 2 greats.
Marquez was no joke , loved watching his fights . I’m a huge mayweather fan , he just knew the sport so well . He beat you with his knowledge in the ring , and made it look easy
He dragged a guy up two weight classes and came in heavy...
Enough said.
@Extinguish Idiot's irrelevant, dummy...
The question was how he WON the fight, not how he GOT the fight.
Floyed moved to 147 in 2006. . . In September 2008, Marquez just moved from 130 - 135, only had 2 fights at 135 when Floyd Cherrypicked Marquez to fight at 147 by 2009.
This was around the same time when Manny-Floyd fight interest was picking up steam and Manny was as more or less the same size as Marquez… and then Marquez competed at 147 after the Floyd fight and KO’d Manny as well…
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba Let me Educate You.
Floyd moved to 147 in 2006 while Pac and Marquez was still at 130.
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- March 2008: Pac vs Marquez fought the 2nd time at 130
- July 2008: Pac fought at 135 for the first time
- September 2008 Marquez fought at 135 for the first time
- December 2008 Pac fought Dela Hoya at 147
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Pac from 2008 to 2010 fought at 130, 135, 140, 147 and 154 while collecting Belts
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Why would Floyd who is been at 147 for more than 3 yrs picked Marquez who just moved from 130 to 135 less than a year at 135 to fight him at 147?
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Remember a 42 yrs old Pac in 2021 who is a natural lightweight who was inactive for more than 2 years? - - - Did Pac decided to fight someone at 135? Pac go after The TOP Welterweights
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- Spence pulled out from the fight.
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- Prime Floyd who is a natural 147 decided to cherrypicked Marquez who just moved from 130 - 135 to fight him at 147. lol
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@@Drifter101z I already gave you the reason why Floyd fought Marquez: 2008 is when the talks of a Manny-Floyd started because Manny had just defeated De La Hoya at 147, who Floyd beat in 2007. So when Floyd came back after two years of inactivity, he choose to fight Marquez. Marquez was ranked 3rd P4P at the time and was seen as more or less Manny’s biggest rival. Manny jumped to 147 from 135 to fight an non-prime De La Hoya and everyone praises Manny for daring to be great. But when Marquez does the same thing (jumping to 147 from 135) to fight Floyd, you criticize Floyd for it and don’t give Marquez credit. Why is there a double standard lol?
And you do realize that Floyd is a naturally smaller guy as well, who started his career at 130 lol? Manny, Floyd and Marquez all started at lower weights but moved up and competed, and ended their careers at 147. So when you talk about weight, why is it only a positive thing when it comes to Manny but negative when it comes to Marquez and Floyd lol?
Next time you try to have an argument with someone, please be concise and come with facts. You’re being to biased
@@AyeYoBoxingWithMadiba Nope 2008 was not the year people wanted to see Floyd and Pac. U need to know the TIMELINE
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Pac fought Dela Hoya in December 2008
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Remember what happened in May 2009 during the weigh in of Pac vs Hatton??? Do you know?
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Floyd received a lot of Hate by announcing his fight against Marquez during the Weigh ins of Hatton vs Pac,
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If Floyd Started at 130 then dont forget Pac started at 106. lol But thats not how u analyz their natural weight weight. its not smart.
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Is Floyd a natural superfeather weight (130) in 2009?
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Would it be Ridiculous for FLoyd to fight someone at 130 in 2009 just because he started at 130 more than a decade ago in 1996. lol It doesnt make sense.
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BTW you dont chose your next opponent base on the Pound for Pound Rankings. . . lol It consist of fighters from different weight Divisions.
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Its like Usyk choosing the No. 1 Pound4Pound right now who is Inoue. . . lol
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Why Pick someone at 135 while theres a lot of fighters calling out FLoyd at 147. lol
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@@Drifter101z Manny-Floyd after Manny beat De La Hoya (December of 2008), which still means it started in 2008… but arguing over the particular start date doesn’t really matter because the idea of a Floyd-Manny fight still started after the Manny-De La Hoya fight, which is what I stated lol.
Floyd receiving hate for announcing a fight is a normal reaction from his detractors so I don’t what point you were trying to prove with that lol. And no, Floyd isn’t a natural 130 in 2009, but he was still a naturally smaller 147 since he came up 4 divisions rather than starting at 147.
I have addressed all your argument points/questions and I have already gave you a reason why Floyd fought Marquez (which is backed by what Floyd said himself), but yet you strawman my argument and deflect the questions I ask you.
So let me ask again, why is there a double standard for Manny going up to 147 from 135 and Marquez going up to 147 from 135? Why is weight only a positive thing for Manny but negative for Marquez and Floyd? Please don’t duck these questions 😂
Floyd is the smartest boxer who changes his game plan every round and cancels the opposing boxer's game plan. He is the one boxer who took the least beating inside the ring.
0:02 shout out Triple H
Mayweather is a boxers boxer.. I’ve learned so much watching him
Definitely need more Floyd breakdowns
On paper Marquez style all wrong for Mayweather. Incorrect. No one thought Marquez would be a stylistic nightmare for Floyd. What surprised everyone was Floyd 12-0’ing a great fighter
As a Mexican, I can say I hate Mayweather so much, but the more I learn about his actual boxing technique the more I realize how much of a genius he is
Marquez is and was my favorite boxer of all time (and my hot take the best Mexican boxer of all time). I also use to despise Mayweather. But my god when he dismantled my boy like that, he really gained my respect. That’s when I realized this dude is DIFFERENT
Ngl, I think everyone has a "i hate Floyd" phase, at this point you have to hate him before you love him. I know I did. lol
@@ren_lightfoot Nah everyone don’t got that.
@@ren_lightfootNever had the, digusted with his lifestyle but as a boxer, he was the best by a far margin of his era.
Can you do a breakdown of el chino maidana and his punching technique and counter punching pressure style??
I think nobody gives el chino enough credit to his technique and inteligence because of his power
I want to see him breakdown Maidana's legendary schooling of broner.
There is one already on TH-cam
@@DragonHeart613 there is a breakdown on TH-cam by another channel
@@claycox3627 what's the channel?
@@mr.soystein7849 The channel's name is OfficeHanchoBoxing.
The video about Maidana vs Broner is here : th-cam.com/video/m_5b5VddUic/w-d-xo.html
It's a very good channel, with great videos about Floyd vs Ortiz and Floyd vs De La Hoya, and many other fights.
Flyod is like a computer because he can analyze the opponent's styles then do the correct responses to counter it
Can you do a Timothy Bradley style breakdown and then a Bradley vs Marquez fight breakdown?
When most opponents didn't give Dinamita his respect, he'd make them pay. Floyd knew exactly what he was doing by neutralizing Dinamita's counterpunching and make Marquez the aggressor, which works against himself.
Just a quick note; Marquez had lost to both Freddie Norwood and Chris John as well as Manny Pacquiao prior to this fight. He also lost his debut by DQ. Other than that, excellent work here.
But all those fights are very close it could gone either way (if not robbery). Yet Floyd trashed Marquez like he's no BIG DEAL. Critics are using the size as an excuse but Marquez also move up 2 division and knock Manny Pacquiao out years later. Melvin Magramo move up 4 division and give Pacquiao a beating that most people believes that Magramo was robbed. (I hope that there's a video of that fight so I could judge it myself)
He knows, literally every single legendary fighter except mayweather and like 4 others 3 who have far far less quality resumes lose some fights it dont mean much, dont think he claimed he was undefeated to? Marquez resume speaks for itself no shame at all in him losing to Chrisa John or Norwood and the first fight dq loss in 93 totally irrelevant as well ya know.
@@danielhicks4826 IIRC, he said Marquez was undefeated. No shame in those losses, either. I've heard the John loss was a pretty bad robbery as well.
@@mattysquizzato7094 Did he? totally missed that. huh.
@@danielhicks4826 Yeah, I think so. He even made a correction in the comments section.
Holy shit, dude! I just discovered your channel and I'm DEVOURING your videos, hahaha. Great job! It's amazingly well-produced!
Hey, can you do one about Acelino Freitas from Brazil, he beated Mike Tyson record of most consecutive knockouts, he fought recently with Pelé Landi an mma fighter in boxing rules and won by knockout. Thank You if you can breakdown his style, good. Thank you for your awesomes videos, have a great day.
Sounds interesting. I would like to see that breakdown too
@@c.galindo9639 th-cam.com/users/shortscz9FBz6ncbM
As a lot of people here noted, Floyd was more a natural middleweight as this stage and Marquez a blown up light weight. Even if Marquez landed a brutal flush shot on Mayweather, he would have just walked right through it. Marquez made a good paycheck but he underestimated Floyd's ring rust and overestimated his skill level at this weight. Even so, this is still Floyd's greatest victory in my opinion.
If you look past the arrogance of floyd to will come to realise just how good a boxer he was, trully he is a talent that comes once in maybe a hundred years..
It's never a good feeling seeing a Mexican fighter get trashed like that's but hey it is what it is indeed.... Floyd was simply superior
The Philly Shell God who knew to build on boxing styles
Mayweather took a one year sham retirement then came back to fight a guy jumping up two weight classes instead of one of the several more legitimate opps he could have chosen. No shock there.
It's easy to understand why people don't like Mayweather, but it's impossible to reasonably say that he wasn't a great boxer.
Great boxer? Lol he was THE greatest and I'm not even his biggest fan
@@bunnyban5365 Disagree on that, but there's way too many metrics - and too many great fighters - out there for everyone to ever agree on that, I suppose. :-)
It’s not easy to understand. Only insecure racists tend to have an issue with him.
@@ritzkola2302 I don't think so, namely since most elite boxers are black, though it may play a role for some.
I think it's at least in part his abrasive persona (whether that's real or acted) … and perhaps the fact that he's just that good that he must have beaten quite a few people's personal favourites. :-)
@@jamielondon6436 I know so, most elite Black fighters are hated too. And the persona excuse is just confirmation. Whites loved connor. He was the biggest star in the ufc because of his persona. Even white Americans. I was in the army and watched all the whites say connor was going to beat Floyd when they fought.
The Black fighters that get the most love are the ones that died decades ago (for obvious reason: they didn’t beat anyone whites cared about and whites today weren’t around to hate them for whatever excuse they could think of) & dudes like Mike Tyson who says everything they want to hear (he’s made his waves attacking other Black fighters and giving all his life’s praise to a white dude and in general talking like he was raised white the stuff he says is weird and we don’t relate to much of it in our community but white communities resonate with it). Amongst those Black fighters he’s attacked is Floyd. No surprise when racists are quoting things to disrespect Floyd they flock to one of Tyson’s quotes.
Naseem Hamed Wasn’t hatred for his persona. And he’s a foreigner.
There’s no angle this can be taken where a double standard isn’t applied and goal posts aren’t moved. It is what it is.
But I digress, it’s not easy to find a reason to hate him. That quote mainly belongs to racists.
He got robbed in the Olympics
Never fought out of Vegas after that, thats why he's "undefeated"
1 of my all-time fav boxers skillwise
6:30 well I mean, let's not call that "brilliant grappling" lmao
Floyd is literally flawless.
Wow I knew Marqez came up I didn’t know it was that much weight.
This fight was when Floyd painted his masterpiece
That body jab was 2 things a quick point score and a counter trap he would score quick points off of it until his opponents started to try and stop it and or counter thats why he used it so much because it was his double edged sword
Remember watching live. He looked untouchable
Same. Saw it live. A true masterclass
Misleading title, Mayweather is bigger and after the fight, Marquez said the weight was hard to overcome.
Bruh, Marquez was a cherry picked. Only Floyd fanboys justify this fight. Floyd made JMM go up in weight 2 divisions, besides JMM is too small for Floyd lol I like your content but this is bs.
Floyd is the most technically advanced fighter that has ever lived.
9:44 in slow motion is a thing of beauty. Stood right in the pocket.
An education, as ever. Thanks for posting, thumbs up.
Floyd was simply brilliant!! He was one of a kind boxer!!! Props for him and his corner for perfecting the box styles and become a so hard to catch prey!!!💪🏾
Froid smasterpiece was to bring a guy up to a higher weight, and then not make weight himself and just pay the fine.
I only can say Márquez wasnt in his weight but Floyd really control Márquez
Yes… Increase in weight would slow the reflexes.
His fight against Marquez was a mismatch, during the weigh in Floyd was overweight and just paid the fine just to avoid postponing the fight and he gained more weight during the fight night, he had lots of demands and Marque just agreed to make the fight happen. Floyd is nothing but a cheater, he uses 750ML of saline vitamins which is 50ML is only allowed and a PED helped him to become faster, stronger and having a better stamina and at the same time, he was well protected in Vegas. Marquez's 1st fight at welterweight was not yet comfortable because that wasn't his natural weight class that's why he's slow and at the same time, his counterpunching style won't work because Floyd has longer reach than him so he should be the one initiating the attack.
A good performance as always by Mayweather but lets be honest he was fighting a blown up lightweight
Exactly. 10lbs more than normal , without a tuneup fight to make any adjustment, on a small man that’s a HUGE amount comparatively. And people are raving about floyd’s performance?!! Think JMM did brilliantly despite! Floyd like SRL before him made sure things were an uneven playing field as possible.
Blown up lightweight ? 😂 Didn't he knockout Manny Pacquiao in the same weight where he got schooled by Mayweather ? 😂
@@strangeman9362 haha a fair point, that punch would have knocked out anyone though in fairness. Looked like Marquez had discovered the weight room by the time he found Pacquaio also (whether that made the difference or not) he was a bit soft around the midsection when he fought Mayweather
Floyd was bigger and didn't make the catch weight. JMM was at huge disadvantage!!
First. Finally. First.
You've taught me so much, thank you for this upload.
Floyd was coming off a two year layoff and took on the #2 p4p fighter in the world at the time. Marquez is a beast and Floyd beat him without even breaking a sweat
Real boxing fans remember how Floyd DIDN'T make weight to fight the smaller Marquez.
Sure but Mayweather was retired for 2 years and still he whooped an active Marquez who also has a win streak prior fighting Mayweather
@@strangeman9362 He didn't make weight against the smaller Marquez. Easy money
@@gl7257 he didn't make weight but Marquez still choose to fight Mayweather and took his money 😂
@strangeman9362 Of course he took his money. Fact is Mayweather supposedly the best ever had to be overweight against a smaller Marquez.
@@gl7257 overweight Marquez 😂 funny thing though is that one who went up is Marquez because he's the one who challenge Mayweather and go up and he did and also Marquez finished off Manny the same weight where Marquez got schooled by Mayweather 🤣😂
Thank you
your review about fights change a lot of time my view for many fights
This is a good breakdown but let's be honest about this fight. Mayweather moved up a featherweight all the way to welterweight and beat a smaller, older fighter. He also decided to not make the catch weight of 144lbs that was agreed upon the fight. In boxing size and weight matters. A great big fighter will always beat a great smaller fighter. Mayweather's defense was great but his ability to avoid dangerous fights, add special clauses to fights he did take was even better...😒
Great video! You have a new sub👊
The way Mayweather dodged the left jab, returned fire with the right cross, then ducked the right hook is amazing. The whole sequence took about 2 seconds simply amazing
Timestamp?
I hate Mayweather, BUT hats off to him. People paid a lot of money to see him loose. Lots of disappointed fans.
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