@@TheRugbyTrainerTVseriously, when the hell did we start worrying about the safety of the opposing player? They’re our enemy and their safety is not our concern. Destroying them is should be your only concern. Games going way too soft.
The fact that this needs such absolute precision whilst even in a stationary set up, proves that it is beyond making this a repeatable process in a fast moving game.
the big focus would be WIN the Race to the ruck and support your ball carrier, this would be for worst case Scenario if you've lost the battle of support. you have two options, accept you've lost the ball and get turned over or try to apply this technique
Not at all. If you can't do this more often than not you might need to drop down a level so you are playing with players at your mental pace. S'why I play level 11 :D
Both this and the Croc roll are very effective when done correctly but you are correct, they can't be done at pace. The Croc roll is dangerous when people target around the neck or the player to be rolled has an ankle trapped. This version, which you don't see, encourages shoulder to shoulder collisions, which can be very painful to both players if done at speed and if a shoulder hits a neck or head. The best way is to bind and drive the player off but that has its own risks, such as the jackal player locking their knees, risking leg muscles tears. Pick your poison
Well you better get some practice. Because this technique is used in school boy rugby in New Zealand and also four other methods. Rugby isn’t a perfect game so your not going to get it right all the time.
Hi, I’m Sebastião, the captain for the Portuguese u20s side and also a referee. There is a world rugby trial that states that a player cleaning out a jackler must not target or drop his weight onto the jackler’s lower limbs, in order to prevent injuries. For that reason, you can't use that technique. Also most referees in lower divisions may consider it side entry, even though it really isn’t. PS: Love your content! Keep up the work💪🏻
Leg is not targeted or having any weight dropped on it. The upper body is targeted, with the leg being grabbed your own extremity, not the core of your body.
His technique is awful. There is no way you are going to body-roll anybody without pulling him into your chest. You also follow the direction you are going in, you don't come from the left-hand side and then roll the player to the left, it is wrong. You keep going in the same direction, it is much faster. You have to pull your opponent into your chest, which he doesn't do. There is no way you will roll a player with a good strong base with such a weak grip. Your opponent's back must be pulled into your chest and shoulder area, only then will he roll. If you use a weak grip like he demonstrated a player with a good base won't budge and you will roll off the side and hang off his chest or shoulders like a fruit. Very bad technique, but he should get a proper wrestling coach to help him with his technique, he looks old so I don't know if he will master it anymore, it might be too late for him.
I would say that was side entry but it would be down to the ref on the day. The main problem you will have clearing out that way is the jackal player will not leave a nice gap for you to hit. He will be much tighter down on the ball and once he is in that position you won't shift him.
yup, its called a demonstration. and was request and communicated for me to roll with him, where in games the jackler would fight to keep position, thats when injuries can occur
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV its not through the gate though, gate is head to knee/hip of the tackled player is it not? Why not just go under the jackal, head to the chest and drive straight and up?
@@billbobby461 going for the hands is to close to the players head and at pace this won't be safe for the jackler and clean out will be possible sent off. Most important thing is to initially win the race to the ruck by supporting the ball carrier. But I think this area needs so much more attention to what we can and can't do as so many people are uncertain on what is allowed across the Pro game down to the grass routes
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV see this is going to ruin the game, honestly as a player attempting a jackal I was always pretty aware of an incoming cleaner and would instinctively raise up to take the hit. Was taught not to keep my head down because you'll get messed up bad. I think some nuance in self preservation has to come back into the game. If you are bent over for the ball and you aren't looking at the cleaner then if you get hit in the head I kind of feel that's your own fault. Like jean de villiers trying to hold that ruck on his own against 5 Welsh players, cant blame the cleaners for what happened to his knee he should have given it up.
Honestly, I’m thinking more and more that rugby union is in its final chapters. The fact we have to try and en corporate extremely precise movements and initiate contact in very precise areas while going at game speed - not happening. We’re going to end up with an cross between league and union. Basically Rugby league with unions tackling rules
Yes, after 200 years rugby will end. You are such a visionary. Why is him suggesting an ideal technique (from lots of experience) a bad thing? Is it also a sign of rugby in its “final chapters” if I suggest people should tackle low? Tf you on about. Keeping players safe isnt a bad thing
These injuries only started when the games laws insisted the jackler had to remain on their feet and couldn’t put any weight on the tackled player, hence why the sprawl and croc roll came in. How many knees where destroyed before this law came in…very few vs now and how well players are trained.
@williamluckhurst5646 He might be the best flanker in the history of the game but his wrestling technique is wrong. If you do a body roll or croc roll as he calls it you have to pull your opponent into your chest. If your opponent is set with a good base and you try and roll him without pulling him into your chest you will roll and fall to the side on his leg but you won't roll him. At best you might bend his body to the side where you will be hanging like a fruit. If you pull him into your chest you will have a much better grip and you will roll him or if you don't have the muscle he will not move and neither will you. Show his technique to any wrestling coach worth his salt and he will laugh at that technique. If that is the way rugby coaches teach players to do a body roll I can understand why they get so many injuries.
Not sure how long ago this was filmed? But it seems now you also need to be careful lifting the jackaler’s leg as you clear him. Have seen people pinged for similar.
From World Rugby 19/3/24: (last line) "Second phase: Law amendment recommendations for global adoption A package of law amendments will be considered by the World Rugby Council at its 9 May meeting. Each is aimed at enhancing game continuity: Recommendation to make adjustments to Law 10 in relation to players being put onside when there are kicks in open play, as per the current Super Rugby Pacific trial which aims to reduce kick tennis. Removal of the scrum option from a free-kick at a scrum, reducing dead time. Outlawing the practice of the ‘croc roll’, reinforcing player welfare focus
League fan here so may be missing something, but even if the works in practice, is it not exceedingly easy to counter? Surely the defending player will he able to counter rotate and a that point it just becomes a strength contest?
when jackler put his hands on the ball and tries to take it away from the player on the ground, he has already earned a free kick. Or you have to clear the player very quickly.
We don't do it here in south africa because I personally have stepped a hole in someone's gum because of that move.... so we went back to the role...rugby is a rough sport so there is never a "total safe" way to do it
Technically the jackal (in this video) is already ilegal. According to the rule 15 ‘Forming a ruck’ no player should have their head and shoulders below hip height.
It's not a ruck until a player from the opposite side joins. 16.1 (b) Players are on their feet. At least one player must be in physical contact with an opponent. The ball is on the ground. So the jackler can have his head as low as he wants, as long as he is supporting his own body weight. Hope this helps 👍
Suggest people watch ref watch with Nigel Owens regarding the “crocodile roll” he states that the motions involved in the execution as the letter of the law warrants minimum a yellow card and if head / neck contact is made a straight red… the issue with the crocodile roll is the inconsistency amongst officials, that being said it’s getting penalised more…
The ref will defs blow you for coming from the side
He is probably the best and cleanest player during a breakdown
spot on
depend on the quality of ref
Big pause buddy ⏸️🤣😂
@@TheRugbyTrainerTVseriously, when the hell did we start worrying about the safety of the opposing player? They’re our enemy and their safety is not our concern. Destroying them is should be your only concern. Games going way too soft.
The fact that this needs such absolute precision whilst even in a stationary set up, proves that it is beyond making this a repeatable process in a fast moving game.
the big focus would be WIN the Race to the ruck and support your ball carrier, this would be for worst case Scenario if you've lost the battle of support. you have two options, accept you've lost the ball and get turned over or try to apply this technique
Not at all. If you can't do this more often than not you might need to drop down a level so you are playing with players at your mental pace. S'why I play level 11 :D
Both this and the Croc roll are very effective when done correctly but you are correct, they can't be done at pace. The Croc roll is dangerous when people target around the neck or the player to be rolled has an ankle trapped.
This version, which you don't see, encourages shoulder to shoulder collisions, which can be very painful to both players if done at speed and if a shoulder hits a neck or head.
The best way is to bind and drive the player off but that has its own risks, such as the jackal player locking their knees, risking leg muscles tears. Pick your poison
Well you better get some practice. Because this technique is used in school boy rugby in New Zealand and also four other methods. Rugby isn’t a perfect game so your not going to get it right all the time.
Speak for yourself mate
An unbelievable player and leader and a great pundit, too. He was a pain in the arse at the breakdown and I mean that as a compliment.
great guy!
Hi, I’m Sebastião, the captain for the Portuguese u20s side and also a referee.
There is a world rugby trial that states that a player cleaning out a jackler must not target or drop his weight onto the jackler’s lower limbs, in order to prevent injuries. For that reason, you can't use that technique.
Also most referees in lower divisions may consider it side entry, even though it really isn’t.
PS: Love your content! Keep up the work💪🏻
thanks for your comment and thank for you kind words
Is lifting a leg targeting a lower limb? Isn't this meant to prevent actually putting your shoulder into the leg?
Leg is not targeted or having any weight dropped on it. The upper body is targeted, with the leg being grabbed your own extremity, not the core of your body.
So the trainer dont know the rules 😂
@happy-content 'The Trainer' is ex Welsh player Sam Warburton. Played for 10 years with 74caps
This video actually really helped me. I was a bit rusty on it and forgot the technique. Thanks
oh amazing thank you
Sam knows his stuff
a legend!
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV yep and a great bloke. (Yes I am English 😂)
Knows how to get himself a red 🟥
His technique is awful. There is no way you are going to body-roll anybody without pulling him into your chest. You also follow the direction you are going in, you don't come from the left-hand side and then roll the player to the left, it is wrong. You keep going in the same direction, it is much faster. You have to pull your opponent into your chest, which he doesn't do. There is no way you will roll a player with a good strong base with such a weak grip. Your opponent's back must be pulled into your chest and shoulder area, only then will he roll. If you use a weak grip like he demonstrated a player with a good base won't budge and you will roll off the side and hang off his chest or shoulders like a fruit. Very bad technique, but he should get a proper wrestling coach to help him with his technique, he looks old so I don't know if he will master it anymore, it might be too late for him.
@@wlk2408 The point he's making is how NOT to roll a player....
Learned this since High School from our Rugby Coach! Have been using it ever since... Works well 💯💯
Exactly mate use the correct tools for each job! 🤙🏼 nuff said domt be giving no head
This will help us so much❤
The springboks have mastered this move. I have noticed them executing this move very well
Mbonambi might miss the entire season because of croc roll injury in the finals 😢
Use this technique all the time, very efficient!
Sam Warburton the Welsh legend 😊
Thank you for showing us. I would like to be a rugby player since when I was 8 or 7. Scrum half 9
how do you like scrum half? enjoy playing there?
This is a textbook example of the difference between theory and reality.
And thats why you played professional rugby for wales! Keep it up, teach the next generation and stay safe brother ! From NZ 💙❤️
Appreciate that legend
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV FUCKN LEGEND! Right on brother
Thanks man 👍
no worries
I would say that was side entry but it would be down to the ref on the day. The main problem you will have clearing out that way is the jackal player will not leave a nice gap for you to hit. He will be much tighter down on the ball and once he is in that position you won't shift him.
Didn’t they make lifting/targeting the lower limb in the ruck illegal in late 2021/ early 2022?
if you only target the limbs.
That last one looked way more painful than the way u were telling people not to do XD.
nah last one was fine. no issues
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV i said looked more painful, doesn't mean it is.
@@FuryousDoooooo
Sam will put you strait, good move
Sam: “Do not croc roll the jackal. It is not safe for the player”
Also Sam: *Proceeds to croc roll the player*
yup, its called a demonstration. and was request and communicated for me to roll with him, where in games the jackler would fight to keep position, thats when injuries can occur
are u dull ?
Genuine question: isn't that entering the ruck from the side?
as you're coming through the gate I would say no.
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV fair enough, thanks!
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV its not through the gate though, gate is head to knee/hip of the tackled player is it not?
Why not just go under the jackal, head to the chest and drive straight and up?
@@billbobby461 going for the hands is to close to the players head and at pace this won't be safe for the jackler and clean out will be possible sent off. Most important thing is to initially win the race to the ruck by supporting the ball carrier. But I think this area needs so much more attention to what we can and can't do as so many people are uncertain on what is allowed across the Pro game down to the grass routes
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV see this is going to ruin the game, honestly as a player attempting a jackal I was always pretty aware of an incoming cleaner and would instinctively raise up to take the hit. Was taught not to keep my head down because you'll get messed up bad.
I think some nuance in self preservation has to come back into the game. If you are bent over for the ball and you aren't looking at the cleaner then if you get hit in the head I kind of feel that's your own fault. Like jean de villiers trying to hold that ruck on his own against 5 Welsh players, cant blame the cleaners for what happened to his knee he should have given it up.
Richie McCaw recommends the croc roll and he's the greatest openside of all time.
Wrestling 101, excellent!
Legend
Good luck trying that on Kwagga 🇿🇦
i usually skip this part
Honestly, I’m thinking more and more that rugby union is in its final chapters. The fact we have to try and en corporate extremely precise movements and initiate contact in very precise areas while going at game speed - not happening.
We’re going to end up with an cross between league and union.
Basically Rugby league with unions tackling rules
Yes, after 200 years rugby will end. You are such a visionary. Why is him suggesting an ideal technique (from lots of experience) a bad thing? Is it also a sign of rugby in its “final chapters” if I suggest people should tackle low? Tf you on about. Keeping players safe isnt a bad thing
thanks for posting your thoughts, interesting look on the tackle
Did the Croc Roll while in primary and I can say that it is dangerous came out with back pain and a blue eye.
Never in my life have I played rugby but at least now I know how to croc roll the jackler or whatever
These injuries only started when the games laws insisted the jackler had to remain on their feet and couldn’t put any weight on the tackled player, hence why the sprawl and croc roll came in. How many knees where destroyed before this law came in…very few vs now and how well players are trained.
player are getting bigger and stronger to which has increased the risk of injury
This should have been the red card in the final, not the tackle made after this. Well done bokke.
thats single/double leg takedown
My boys legs were giving out at the end😂😂😂😂 🦵🏾 day😂😂
haha
This guy never wrestled in his life. You have to pull the player into your chest and then role.
'This guy' is literally one of the best flankers to ever play rugby
@williamluckhurst5646 He might be the best flanker in the history of the game but his wrestling technique is wrong. If you do a body roll or croc roll as he calls it you have to pull your opponent into your chest. If your opponent is set with a good base and you try and roll him without pulling him into your chest you will roll and fall to the side on his leg but you won't roll him. At best you might bend his body to the side where you will be hanging like a fruit. If you pull him into your chest you will have a much better grip and you will roll him or if you don't have the muscle he will not move and neither will you. Show his technique to any wrestling coach worth his salt and he will laugh at that technique. If that is the way rugby coaches teach players to do a body roll I can understand why they get so many injuries.
this isn't wrestling though? its rugby, some techniques transfer over well but not all the techniques.
yup
rolling its the best way
Not sure how long ago this was filmed? But it seems now you also need to be careful lifting the jackaler’s leg as you clear him. Have seen people pinged for similar.
as long as you don't take him up beyond horizontal
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV new laws say you’re not allowed to lift the leg at all in the ruck…
@@7t7karma where did you read this? I've heared it multiple times, but can't find in the World Rugby laws?
Can’t believe people are even questioning that mans method, of all people 🤣
Some referees will ping him for coming in from the side. I like the technique though and it makes sense.
Big fan of the croc roll , theres an equal chance of being called for side entry as there is dangerous play. Just my opinion 🙏
thank you
no problem
Croc Roll ended my rugby career with a back injury. Never recovered
Was going to comment this, i should make a video of 100% cleanout succsess
Croc roll is banned for school competitions in my country.
From World Rugby 19/3/24: (last line)
"Second phase: Law amendment recommendations for global adoption
A package of law amendments will be considered by the World Rugby Council at its 9 May meeting. Each is aimed at enhancing game continuity:
Recommendation to make adjustments to Law 10 in relation to players being put onside when there are kicks in open play, as per the current Super Rugby Pacific trial which aims to reduce kick tennis.
Removal of the scrum option from a free-kick at a scrum, reducing dead time.
Outlawing the practice of the ‘croc roll’, reinforcing player welfare focus
that helped you in the world cup
The "croc roll" is now illegal
Your point was proven by the cleanout on bongi mbonambi in the rwc. His knee was busted up when the cleaning player landed on his leg.
Have you had a talk with Frizell by any chance?
Whichever way you attempt this, the modern ruck is a dangerous shambles.
After the 2011 semi final I’ll never take this blokes advice on safety
League fan here so may be missing something, but even if the works in practice, is it not exceedingly easy to counter?
Surely the defending player will he able to counter rotate and a that point it just becomes a strength contest?
nah the cleaner has a angle advantage
30 degree? Is 39 acceptable?
this knows about the the Zealand bloke literally just earlier 💀💀
Lifting your opponent's weight and your weight onto one leg at an angle isn't going to cause his knee to twist? 🤔
Which is why he _has_ to go down - to avoid injury.
this is the best way
If he’s to low then push your shoulder between us shoulder blades on the upper back, that will put him away
Is the croc roll allowed? Never seen someone do it in a game.
Yeah but they generally fuck it up and neck roll 😂
don't like it one bit
happens all the time these days.
together with side entry being ignored allowed by Refs more and more again...
Is this legal in high school? And in high school 7s?
Great lesson, but in from the side issues?
its not in from the side, but depends on how good your ref is
It is absolutely mental that this is allowed.
Are we not allowed to do croc rolls now? I can't keep up with the rules...
There is another one. It’s called a scissors, is where you take the hands of the person going for the ball…..
when jackler put his hands on the ball and tries to take it away from the player on the ground, he has already earned a free kick. Or you have to clear the player very quickly.
ye thats right, thats why you should win the race to the ruck
Alternatively, you could take up Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Someone check the guy’s pulse
Side entry?
Malcolm Max has entered the chat 😜😎
100% in at the side. You need to put you head on the oppo players chest and drive through
We don't do it here in south africa because I personally have stepped a hole in someone's gum because of that move.... so we went back to the role...rugby is a rough sport so there is never a "total safe" way to do it
Rollinga plsyer Is the best way and fun way to clean out a ruck what you mean
very dangerous
Yeah those northern hemisphere refs will say that's a side entry.
what do you think?
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV I think the northern hemisphere referees will penalise people and say its a side entry or offside.
Technically the jackal (in this video) is already ilegal. According to the rule 15 ‘Forming a ruck’ no player should have their head and shoulders below hip height.
It's not a ruck until a player from the opposite side joins. 16.1 (b) Players are on their feet. At least one player must be in physical contact with an opponent. The ball is on the ground.
So the jackler can have his head as low as he wants, as long as he is supporting his own body weight. Hope this helps 👍
When instructing, NEVER demonstrate what you shouldn’t do!
It's called breaking the glass Good technique. Basics.
love that term
@The Rugby Trainer TV look it up my friend, in Australia we are taught this from a young age.
Forgot to mention not to turn it into a neck roll
ye don't do that
Meanwhile the guy on the ground now has cleatmarks all over his body, damn I miss playing rugby
In my day, pull him onto the wrong side and apply the slipper. Appreciate the game has moved😂
Or we just go for darce choke, he’s exposed use the opportunity 😂😂😂
now try this on a Springbok forward.
Yeah it’s be even easier
beat them to support the ball carrier is the best way
Just don't get a red card yeah 😅 we all remember 2011
Looks an ankle breaker
Nah… Shannon Frizzel on Bongi in the RWC Final… that’s how to take take someone out the game for a year with only a yellow card
Maybe you should be advising the welsh back row atm,
ha thanks for your comment
It all looks dangerous to be fair and
It is a dangerous game
its a physical game
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV both
They will penalize you EVERY time. Croc roll it has to be
Refs never understand the side rule and just blow against to avoid the pressure
I’ll show you now, the player then completely changes the position he was in to make it easier for him,..
hmmmmm... don't think so
@@TheRugbyTrainerTV might want to re watch your videos
That will be a Yellow
Looks perfect and easy. But the ref might be sceptic about the entrance
Or wha u saying??
it would be fine but depends on the level of ref
If boks did this they'd 100% be blown a penalty
Side entry
Touch Rugby Loading. You know what? Springboks will continue being targeted for touching.
Sam Warburton
This was never taught at school
So much more complicated than 🐊 lmao
go on ?
Unless of course you trying to remove Malcolm Marx and Steven Kitshoff then I say Good luck mate, thanks for coming
Suggest people watch ref watch with Nigel Owens regarding the “crocodile roll” he states that the motions involved in the execution as the letter of the law warrants minimum a yellow card and if head / neck contact is made a straight red… the issue with the crocodile roll is the inconsistency amongst officials, that being said it’s getting penalised more…
thanks for sharing
Att: Shannon Frizell
Just pull them towards you. Can't compete if you're off your feet.
a good player would be to strong to just pull over
Clearly coming from the side
You never gonna blow someone out like that when there 3 to 4 other players behind him
Don't do it when there's 4 people behind him then you simpleton
rucks these days don't have that many number in it as defences dump and fan to keep numbers on feet